Reform UK leader Nigel Farage (left) being interviewed by Alan Miller, co-Founder of Together. Source youtube, fair use, low resolution image to identify the subject.

Nigel Farage on Net Zero: “The Whole Thing is about Charging Us More Money”

Essay by Eric Worrall

Farage leads Reform UK, a party which recently pulled ahead of the governing Conservatives in the polls, and stands a real chance of becoming the second largest party in the next British parliament.

From the transcript of the video;

Alan Miller (Interviewer): So we’re here at Rev’d up Cafe and we’re joined by Nigel farage.

Alan Miller (Interviewer): Hello Nigel good to be here uh lots of bikers here they’re very concerned, a million and a half votes around the UK many in your constituency where you’re standing. We’ve been speaking to people this morning you got a lot of support here. Some people want to know that what’s just from the kickoff what’s your view on both the ICE ban for bikes and for cars in the UK

Nigel Farage: Well I’ve got form on this because, as a member of the European Parliament of course, regulations on motorbikes were coming from Brussels. And so I’ve met you know motorcycle Action Group Etc many times over the years. Now of course you’d have thought with Brexit now we’re in control it’ll be less of a threat, but it’s not and that’s because of the Whole Net Zero agenda that’s being pursued.

Boris [Prime Minister Boris Johnson] went absolutely full pelt for it. Labor are still on that track. Tories [British Conservatives] are now saying well we won’t do it all tomorrow we wait to a day after.

Frankly the whole thing is about charging us more money. The whole thing is about controlling our life and our behaviors, and in terms of the environment it makes absolutely almost no difference whatsoever.

So look you know bikers want the freedom to ride their bikes, and pursue their hobby. They should be allowed to do that without interference. I do worry that with the Labour government which we’re going to get, I mean think about rules, think about all the different things that have been done low traffic neighborhoods, etc. I suspect for bikers it’s going to be difficult under a Starmer government [Keir Starmer, Labour Leader].

And so what you’re going to need need is a voice of opposition standing up and saying you know please leave these people alone. I did it when I was an MEP I’ll do it when I’m an MP. There’s one other little aspect of this that perhaps people haven’t thought about yet, which is this that the European Court of Human Rights recently ruled that Switzerland had to obey by its Net Zero legislation. So this court that I’ve been complaining about in terms of borders and who stays and who do doesn’t has actually involved itself in this issue as well, and you know I’m very clear about it we should leave the ECR, so you know I think bikers have a right to be concerned, have a right to be worried.

And I’m not just standing here because I’m running for election in a few weeks time, I’ve got a long history of Defending personal freedoms, and in the end Allan that’s what it’s really all about isn’t it.

It’s about individual choices, it’s about people making up their own minds and living their own lives.

So we got 37 million car drivers as well in Britain, as you know. I’ve been on, on when you were doing a show. I’ve been on that talking about what you’ve just mentioned, ULEZ [Ultra Low Emission Zone], LTNs [Low Traffic Neighbourhoods], many people are concerned about the lack of openness and scrutiny from the point of view of Net Zero.”

Alan Miller (Interviewer): Just just remind us what Reform is saying, what you’re saying about it for if you were to be elected?

Nigel Farage: Yeah I mean, look you know I mean Labour are talking about decarbonizing the grid by 2030. Impossible and would cost a fortune, and of course who pays those, at the lowest end in society pay the most percentage of their money on fuel on heating the house and all cooking. All of those sort of things. The Tories are now saying 2035.

What we’re saying is the Whole Net Zero needs a complete rethink. We produce less than 1% of the world’s CO2. China are building about 80 new coal fired power stations every single year.

And the other point about it is that you know of course I want us to be environmentally friendly as much as we can the answer to that above all is nuclear energy if you really want low carb generation of reliable energy that I think you know to me nuclear would be the right way forward.

But either way, either way you know I would always stand up for individual liberty against the state and and it’s been so bad under the Conservatives.

It’ll be worse under Labour, but we all have to accept they’ve won the next election. It’s done, it’s a question of who’s the voice of opposition going to be, and I’m standing up and saying look I’ve got a track record.

I fought the European Union, I fought the banks, I fought many other people over the years and I’ll do the same in Parliament.

Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfcoQ6IX7A

Alan Miller is co-founder of Together, a British pro-freedom group which is standing up for the livelihoods and dignity of the British people.

If you read my pieces you will already be aware I’m a major fan of Nigel Farage. I once had the privilege of talking to Nigel Farage over a beer for 20 minutes one on one – he is exactly the same in person as he appears on his videos.

Farage has been utterly consistent when it comes to protecting ordinary people from political attacks on personal freedom, including pointless and painful cost of living hikes caused by Nut Zero policies.

Who can forget the immense outrage and hilarity Nigel Farage caused, when he appointed Lord Monckton as his climate spokesman, back in the UKIP days?

I’m not suggesting rolling back Net Zero is Nigel Farage’s top priority. But I think you can tell from the interview above that rolling back green attacks on the cost of living is important to him.

As Nigel Farage pointed out, it’s now virtually impossible that Labour will lose – they have an overwhelming lead in the polls. But voting for Reform sends a message, the only kind of message some politicians care about. The more votes Farage’s reform receives, the more timid Labour will be about imposing yet more green energy price hikes on the long suffering British public.

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strativarius
June 17, 2024 6:59 am

Nigel had better not let us down.

This is a one time opportunity

Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 7:11 am

I am sure pressure from those high up in the (world) ‘food-chain’ will start putting him under pressure to ‘conform’!

strativarius
Reply to  climedown
June 17, 2024 7:26 am

The Truss effect…

Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 8:24 am

Exactly!

John XB
Reply to  climedown
June 17, 2024 8:33 am

It won’t work. He was in the European Parliament for years and definitely did not conform which is why so many hated him there.

son of mulder
Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 8:04 am

He’s officially stating the objective is to win the 2029 general Election as Labour has such a large lead with only 17 days to go until voting this time round. That’s fair in my view as it’s a massive ask for such a new party this time but he launched his “Contract” today and it’s rich in good stuff to get the economy moving, greater energy independence, get rid of Net Zero. I think there’s a significant chance his Party Reform will do far better than the establishment expects but it’s a big ask this time round. Hatred of the Conservatives is visceral for many because they just lied, many moved to Labour who are clearly more aggressive on net Zero and many of those could still redirect to Reform as awareness of their policies grows as could many dissillusioned Labour voters like in 2019. If he gets into parliament then Question Time should be more fun.

strativarius
Reply to  son of mulder
June 17, 2024 8:27 am

My fingers – in a dead cert Labour seat – are crossed

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 2:21 pm

I’m not that familiar with your courts and how the opposition works in the UK, but Trump faced fabricated stories and ridiculous cases (criminal and civil) throughout his presidency and after. The Democrats did a great job of keeping Trump from performing his duties.

Reply to  Ex-KaliforniaKook
June 17, 2024 2:30 pm

He’s had four years to wise up, and you can tell that he has. I can’t wait for the debate – I can’t even believe that Dr Jill, his wife can even let Biden do it. It’s gonna be the equivalent of a public execution.

So why did Sunak do this my UK friends? Why would he knowingly give Labour 5 years in power? Something doesn’t compute. Answers below please:

……….

Editor
Reply to  philincalifornia
June 17, 2024 6:28 pm

Why did Rishi Sunak do this? It looks like hubris. Effectively, he surrounded himself with yes-men (they were mostly men), the yes’s being on Europe, climate, renewables, net zero – everything in fact which tended to crush people rather than give them any voice or any personal freedom. So he never heard any alternative to Europe, never heard any alternative to wind and solar, etc. His calling an election had nothing to do with the possibility of Keir Starmer winning the election, it was all to do with trying to head off Reform before it did even more damage. JMHO.

PS. He’s two-faced, too. When competing with Liz Truss for party leadership, he supported Liz Truss’s push for gas production because he could see there were votes in it. When he removed her from the leadership, he instantly squashed the idea. Expediency over principle. Power before people. To my mind, the next election is between Rishi Starmer and Keir Sunak. May they both lose.

June 17, 2024 7:33 am

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Neil Lock
June 17, 2024 7:35 am

The establishment narratives are unravelling in the UK right now. There is a long way to go still, but the tide has turned. In favour of truth and justice.

I am campaign manager for Graham Drage, the Reform party candidate who is up against Jeremy Hunt, current chancellor. I am also deputy leader of my local Together group. And I have had a number of articles published on this very site – thank you, Anthony and Charles!

A Labour government will be awful, but I don’t think it will last long. The English take a long time to get roused, but when it happens, the bad guys need to watch out! 1642 and 1688 come to mind.

strativarius
Reply to  Neil Lock
June 17, 2024 7:42 am

The English take a long time to get roused

Theres no sign whatsoever that they are anywhere close to thinking of being roused.

See you at the bottom – assuming the Germans haven’t beaten us to it.

Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 12:24 pm

The English take a long time to get roused

Then they get cross and call in the Welsh, Scots and Irish to save their asses.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 12:29 pm

Look who formed the ‘English’ Special Air Service (SAS): A Scotsman, an Irishman and an Ozzie.

Can the English actually fight for themselves; apart from smashing up bars at football tournaments?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 1:56 pm

All who wanted to fight for England, because they felt they were part of it.

What that tell you, Luser !!

Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 4:37 pm

That was a different kind of ‘English’ in those days.

Reply to  Neil Lock
June 17, 2024 11:38 am

If, by some miracle, I end up back in the UK before the election instead of a couple of weeks after, I’ll be voting Reform, Farage or no Farage. The only additional thing I’d like to see on the Reform policy list is an attempt to put a UK Constitution in, against which all Acts past and present need to be measured, and if found wanting, repealed and trashed. Best of luck for the campaign!

Bil
Reply to  PariahDog
June 17, 2024 11:56 am

We have a constitution based on Common Law that has been traduced and brought low by party politicians. Here’s a thought for you, a jury can overturn an Act of Parliament. Remember the people are sovereign people and not Parliament which has been infected by parties (which are all companies).

Reply to  Neil Lock
June 17, 2024 12:22 pm

The establishment narratives are unravelling in the UK right now. 

Meet the “anti-establishment”:


Twat-and-twatter
Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 1:59 pm

Two great men with a love of their country, who want to see the putrid green slime washed away.

Didn’t realise you liked them so much.

Reply to  Neil Lock
June 17, 2024 2:39 pm

Can you explain why it’s not going to last 5 years to us ex-Pats. Please. Beheading went out of fashion outside of the Islamic doctrine. In what way will it not “last long?”I know it will be a five year disaster for all of UK subjects’ prosperity unless curtailed. How will that happen?

Reply to  philincalifornia
June 17, 2024 4:48 pm

Should there be a vote of no confidence, the PM ahs to resign, and then might dissolve Parliament and schedule an election. That is one way. There may be more.

June 17, 2024 7:49 am

Bikers? Any electric big motorcycles? Like “choppers”? I now see quite a few electric “bikes”- merely electric bicycles- mostly for lazy people who don’t want to peddle. I wonder how big the batteries will be on a big cross country type motorcycle?

Reply to  mkelly
June 17, 2024 10:38 am

But they won’t make a lot of noise, so the chopper guys won’t like them- you know, Hells Angels and the like. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 18, 2024 8:29 am

There’s a safety element to making noise on a bike, since you’re a lot smaller and less visible than someone driving a car.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
June 18, 2024 8:48 am

Yuh, but obviously some guys like their bikes to scream- and blow our ears out.

Mr Ed
Reply to  mkelly
June 17, 2024 11:49 am

I’ve had some good times in Milwaukee and once walked up to the museum
from the 3rd ward and spent a memorable day
–https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/museum.html
but an electric MC??? Not a chance.
I bought a bike like this new and spent a good bit of time running the
canyons in San Diego—this is how a bike is ment to sound.

Reply to  Mr Ed
June 17, 2024 1:18 pm

My son owns a Street Ultra in Superior Blue. He has taken numerous trips on his Harley’s. On his around Lake Michigan trip he spent a day at the museum.

I would never own an electric bike. I like stopping filling up and going again within minutes not hours.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 18, 2024 8:28 am

Maybe they’ll tow a trailer full of batteries.

Reply to  AGW is Not Science
June 18, 2024 8:47 am

AI should be able to produce that image. I don’t think the Hell’s Angels guys will like it.

JWP
June 17, 2024 7:49 am

Farage is the only politician in Britian that makes sense on the vast majority of issues, and he is hated by the Tories, Labour, Lib Dems, Green, etc etc. So, basically everybody else. I would love to see him as main opposition to Labour. PM Questions would be epic!

strativarius
June 17, 2024 7:58 am
June 17, 2024 8:14 am

I think he should bring Monckton back as an advisor to learn how jiggered the T record is, how positive the Great Greening is (and bumper crops as part of it) and the historic decline (90%) of severe weather deaths and economic costs.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 17, 2024 10:59 am

I think he should bring Monckton back as an advisor…

Wishing him no ill, we don’t hear much from the Merry Monck around here these days.

Not since his “no warming since…” series of posts regarding the UAH temperature data set went distinctly pear-shaped about a year or so ago.

But it would definitely complete the circus if he reappeared as the Reform (PLC) environment advisor.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 12:15 pm

Realists don’t do circuses. That’s your tribe.

Reply to  philincalifornia
June 17, 2024 12:31 pm

Looks pretty circusy to me….

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 2:03 pm

Use a different mirror.. I’m sure you have plenty of warped ones around you.

Funny that you are still using the very solid El Nino release as a crutch for moronic comments, even though you are incapable of showing any human causation.

I thought you didn’t believe in El Ninos.

John XB
June 17, 2024 8:35 am

I would be happier to hear Mr Farage reject the Man-made climate doom rather than ‘rethinking’ Net Zero.

Maybe he is being canny as there are many in the UK population greenwashed by this tripe and he doesn’t want to lose potential support.

strativarius
Reply to  John XB
June 17, 2024 9:32 am

There’s the BBC etc and schools and universities

Reply to  John XB
June 17, 2024 9:56 am

If that is the case, he will likely always be canny so as not to lose potential support.

But, yes, first things first.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
June 17, 2024 8:37 am

I disagree that it’s about money. It’s about destroying Capitalism and they’re using money extorted from the middle class and poor to bribe the rich useful idiots.

antigtiff
Reply to  mleskovarsocalrrcom
June 17, 2024 9:12 am

It is not rocket science – basic drive for dictators is money greed power-the CO2 scam is made to order for wannabe dictators- they are just trying to help you, see? Do as they say and you will live – they don’t want to take your money and freedom but it’s for your own good, see?

John Hultquist
June 17, 2024 8:55 am

 “… if you really want low carb generation of reliable energy …”

An interesting phraseology transition: Carbon Dioxide > Carbon > Carb
Good carbs, bad carbs, California Air Resources Board

Reply to  John Hultquist
June 17, 2024 10:28 am

That was started several years ago by a guy called Jim Lane (at least that’s the first time I saw it). He’s the Editor of a daily online publication called the Digest (previously Biofuels Digest). It has some good articles about the industry, although I’m not too enthusiastic about his sense of humor which I believe is how “low-carb” fuels started.

CD in Wisconsin
June 17, 2024 9:00 am

“Who can forget the immense outrage and hilarity Nigel Farage caused, back when he appointed Lord Monckton as his climate spokesman, back in the UKIP days?”

If Lord Monckton was Farage’s climate advisor, then Farage should know that there are serious scientific shortcomings with the AGW climate alarmist narrative. If indeed he does, I think Farage would make a very interesting opposition leader, but I suppose that won’t happen.

As I recall, Liz Truss didn’t last very long as PM. We shall have to wait and see how long Keir Starmer will last.

Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
June 17, 2024 10:33 am

He will last the full 5 year term. Truss fell because she had lost the support of her party. This will not happen to Starmer. It is a good rule of thumb that Labour never ejects its leader. He is there for as long as he chooses to stay.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 11:21 am

“He will last the full 5 year term.”

So Starmer will have plenty of time to continue driving Britain’s economy into the ground with his Nut Zero plans. The Extinction Rebellion and Just Stop Oil people should be elated, especially if he keeps his promise to cancel those oil and gas leases that were approved a while back.

Scientific and technological illiteracy can be very costly.

Editor
Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 6:36 pm

I would be a little more cautious in predicting the future under Keir Starmer. He doesn’t stand for anything, He moves freely with the wind. The Europeans called Liz Truss the Iron Weather-vane. I don’t know what they call Keir Starmer, but there’s no iron in his weather-vane. A massive parliamentary majority opens up the possibility of major splits within the ruling party, even if it’s the Labour party. Interesting times.

June 17, 2024 9:05 am

How many times has Nigel stood for election and how many times has he won?

Spoiler: Seven times and zero wins.

As you say Eric, he is ‘utterly consistent’.

strativarius
Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 9:34 am

How many times were like they are now?

People are realising green jobs are redundancies

Reply to  strativarius
June 17, 2024 10:54 am

How many times were like they are now?

Apparently every time, according to his ilk.

Then he gets rejected at the polls. Again and again.

Maybe he will finally make this ‘one from eight’ attempts to get elected as an MP.

What an impressive character.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 11:15 am

Be careful what you wish for big guy. Victories by the Left in the UK and US in their respective upcoming elections dots all the i’s / crosses all the t’s needed to create an economic debacle in both countries. Unfortunately for you, history shows that if the bad guys prevail through this, it goes really badly for the useful idiots that contributed to their rise.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 17, 2024 10:08 am

dumbass

Reply to  TheFinalNail
June 18, 2024 5:38 am

Nigel *WON* the EU election in the UK winning 24 seats. Becoming the largest EU party in the UK.
He led the UK delegation in the EU parliament. This was under the UKIP banner which turned into the Reform_UK party which has recently overtaken the government party here in the UK.

June 17, 2024 10:21 am

stands a real chance of becoming the second largest party in the next British parliament.

No way, no chance at all. Because the British system does not translate votes into seats. If you want to see this in action, go here:

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_home.html

Put in your own forecasts, and you will see that to become the second largest party they are going to have to poll well into the thirties, and that isn’t going to happen. Not this time, anyway.

Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 10:42 am

Yes, I saw a vid on YouTube saying that the 19% would translate into about 3 seats. Will he even win his own seat as Nail is suggesting?

Reply to  philincalifornia
June 17, 2024 11:45 am

I think that’s right. The UK system has a tipping point, go over that and you start getting hundreds of seats, but go under it and your seats fall off very fast. You can see this if you do your own predictions on Electoral Calculus, play with the Conservative percent of vote, and when they go much below 20% they vanish.

I was a bit over in my post above, the tipping point for Reform may be in the high twenties share, not the thirties. It depends on how the other parties move. At 30% they probably would, on present trends, be the second largest party. But 30% isn’t going to happen.

It will take something really dramatic and unprecedented to move them to that level in the next two weeks.

The problem for Reform is widespread support, but not concentrated enough in particular seats to win them. This time, at least. The other parties have geographical presence enough to win particular seats.

Farage’s own contest is going to be a very close run thing. July 4 is going to be an interesting evening!

Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 12:35 pm

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Farage is very well-versed in when to triage, and not even run a candidate. I hope this translates to a rise in the party percentage, by focus on seats they can win.

Editor
Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 6:39 pm

Without the Red Wall on side, Reform won’t get to a tipping point. Is there time to get the Red Wall on side? Probably not, but it could be as close a call as Waterloo.

Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 11:26 am

Seems right to this (US) outsider. I think the point is to bring the Conservatives, who have the electoral wherewithal, to their senses. Sort of like subjecting RINO squishes to primary challenges in the US, or failing that, just staying home on Election Day.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 17, 2024 12:06 pm

No, its liable to be a wipeout. Reform has a widely spread vote, so in most seats they are able to get enough votes from the Conservatives to deny them the seat, but not enough to get the seat themselves. On present polls, unless something really dramatic changes, the Labour Party will end up with a majority of between 200 and 400, in a 650 seat Parliament. It will essentially be the end of the Conservative Party who will fall below 100 seats, maybe on some polls down to 50 or below.

And it will also mean 5 years with essentially no opposition.

Very dangerous in a country with no written constitution and where Parliament is sovereign.

So get ready to see a serious attempt to run a modern industrial economy on electricity from wind and solar. While at the same time doubling demand by moving everyone to EVs and heat pumps.

Reply to  michel
June 17, 2024 7:24 pm

I’ll defer to your expertise on UK politics. However, on this side of the Atlantic, I’ve seen Republicans win a lot of elections and do absolutely nothing aside from rolling up deficits to pay for Progressive domestic programs and Neocon foreign meddling. While we do have a (written) Constitution, we’re also not very far from a serious crisis if the Republicans can’t win in November AND get serious about defanging our regulatory state.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 18, 2024 12:34 am

Americans may not really see the implications of the UK Constitution.

The present system has been in place more or less since 1688, but its evolved a lot. The settlement of 1688 arrived after a century of struggle between Crown and Parliament over who should have ultimate power in England. The Revolution of 1688 settled this in favor of Parliament, and in particular of the House of Commons.

The result of the settlement was a Parliament which was sovereign. That is, it has no limitations whatever on its power. It can pass any laws it chooses any time. Its legislative process and acts are not subject to review by the courts. This is often misunderstood, but the Bill of Rights clearly says in Article 9:

“That the Freedom of Speech and Debates or Proceedings in Parliament ought not to be impeached or questioned in any Court or Place out of Parliament.”

The US comparison would be, if you can imagine it, a situation where there is no President, Senate, Constitution or Supreme Court, but all executive power resides with the Leader of the Congressional majority. There are elections at the decision of the Leader or every five years, whichever comes first.

The founding document of the UK Constitution is the Bill of Rights of 1689. If Parliament wished to repeal this in two months time, it would only require a majority vote, followed by approval by the remaining Lords, and Royal Assent. Parliament could, by simple vote, abandon elections altogether. There are no restrictions on what it can do, and any Constitutional provisions are simply laws like any others. If Parliament wished to, for instance, nationalize all energy production with no compensation for shareholders, and repeal all existing legislation incompatible with that act, it could so so by simple majority vote. It could, if it wished, do things which are inconceivable in a US context: it can establish a religion, repeal Habeas Corpus or jury trials or legalize involuntary servitude. There is nothing to stop it passing legislation which discriminates against some sections of the population or detain people without trial, implement censorship of press or other media.

Of course it does none of these things because the British are a pragmatic and liberal people. But there is nothing to stop Parliament doing any of this, should electors and legislators change their minds about being liberal and pragmatic.

Now, at the settlement of 1688 there were countervailing limitations on the power of the Commons. The monarchy had substantial power still, and so did the hereditary House of Lords. Over the next three centuries these powers were eroded in practice. The Crown prerogative is nos exercised by the government of the day, which is to say, the Commons. The Lords is now no longer mainly hereditary, but mostly nominated and with a small number of Peers elected by the previous hereditary Peers from their number. The convention is that it opposes no legislation which has been put to the electors in a manifesto. The monarchy now by convention rubber stamps all legislation passed by Parliament.

The result is that there is a real possibility in the UK of something that the Founding Fathers of the US did their utmost to prevent. A sudden wave of feeling can elect by a huge majority a government bent on total radical change, and there is nothing to stop them implementing it more or less instantly. In effect, the government of the day can rule by decree.

Historically, governments with huge majorities have been very rare. If the current elections produce a Labour Government with a majority of several hundred, that will be completely unprecedented. But if it does, there will be no limitations, other than convention and good sense, on what it can do. The same would apply of course to a radical right Parliament, if in some future election one, perhaps called Reform, were to be returned to power.

So yes, to return to the climate and energy issue, the incoming Labour Government can drive the country at speed off a cliff in energy policy, and there will be nothing that anyone can do about it. For five years. The Party willing.

Reply to  michel
June 18, 2024 5:24 am

American Democrats would have already undermined such a system.

I’m glad the Founders of the United States thought long and hard about how to prevent Tyranny.

We’ll find out soon if they had the right formula.

So far, the Courts are keeping us in the Constitutional Ballgame.

And the upcoming vote will tell us a lot about how capable the people are of governing themselves.

But even in a worse-case scenario with a Democrat win, resulting in the death of the Republic, there are still altenatives in the American system. The most drastic of which is for various States to withdraw from the Union and go their own way.

Reply to  michel
June 18, 2024 6:47 am

michel, a good summary of the situation and why the UK needs a PR system and a written constitution.

Reply to  Steve Richards
June 18, 2024 2:50 pm

Yes, probably. But its not clear how you get there. The leading writer on the British Constitution is Vernon Bogdanor, who pointed out, when Brexit happened, that this was one of the few cases, maybe the only case, where a country had gone from a written constitution to an unwritten one. It did that by a simple majority vote.

The thing is, Parliament is sovereign, and cannot bind its successors. The written constitution that came with EU membership could be terminated by a simple majority vote, and was.

To get to a written constitution that was more durable than the 1689 Bill of Rights, one that could not be repealed by majority vote of Parliament, would require changing everything. It would have to be a different Parliament with different powers. I suppose it could be done, but the practical chances of it happening are negligible.

PR would be much simpler, that would only take an Act of Parliament, it would be easy and straightforward, given the will. It is possible at some point, especially if in the current election there is a complete mismatch between percent of vote and percent of seats in Parliament. Which seems increasingly likely. For instance, Reform gets 25% of votes and 4 or 5 seats. The Liberals get 10% and 50 or 60 seats. Labour gets 40% of votes and 65% of the seats. Could lead to enough pressure for change.

Reply to  michel
June 18, 2024 4:18 am

It sounds like the UK is poised to move up the list of climate change crash-test dummies. Maybe right to the top.

Will the UK be the first to bankrupt itself over Net Zero insanity?

Bob
June 17, 2024 1:13 pm

I’m all for rolling back net zero.

Edward Katz
June 17, 2024 2:33 pm

Farage is absolutely right because as I’ve said before and what most taxpayers suspect, the climate crisis was created by Green activists looking to generate a revenue source and was adopted by governments seeking new ways to tax consumers. The former are looking to market products that are supposedly environmentally friendly (at a higher price than conventional ones, of course), while the latter goes along with the scam by promoting humanity-saving initiatives that save nothing but are guaranteed to raise living costs. Except the public has grown increasingly suspicious of the non-stop climate alarmism promoted by the mainstream media funded precisely by the governments and their environmentalist sidekicks. These are some of the reasons for the voter backlash we’ve just seen at the recent EU elections and are likely to see in the upcoming US and Canadian ones.

observa
June 17, 2024 6:25 pm

“The Whole Thing is about Charging Us More Money”
Well there is the entertainment value with lefties-
Lefties losing it: MSNBC tries to ‘gaslight’ people into thinking Trump ‘isn’t cognitively fit’
However it’s definitely an acquired taste and the tickets shouldn’t be compulsory.

June 17, 2024 8:58 pm

I would disagree with Nigel. It is not about money, at least not any more than it is due to money being a proxy for power (political power, not electrical power).

It is primarily about power and control, about restricting the amount of power (electrical power) that people are able to access in order to exercise power (political power) over them. This will be further exacerbated by the pending introduction of centralized digital currencies and digital IDs that will facilitate a CCP style social credit system. Your access to electrical power will be limited based upon your obedience to the authorities.

“You see, it’s not about the virus, environment money at all. It’s about following orders, doing what you’re told.” – James Cole, 12 Monkeys (probably).

Kim Swain
June 18, 2024 4:38 am

Unfortunately, with our “first past the post” system, the proportion of votes does not lead to a proportionate number of seats in Parliament. So, despite possibly polling more votes than the Conservative Party, they will win few seats and with only increase the majority of the incoming Labour government. This will be a disaster and the phrase “last one out of the country- turn off the lights” comes to mind.