Essay by Eric Worrall
Last September, the Australian government told voters Australia’s financial situation is too precarious to continue a six month gasoline tax holiday. Those same politicians now want to give our tax money away to other countries.
Australia backs discussion on climate change compensation as it bids to co-host UN climate summit
By political reporter Henry Belot
Australian officials at a climate change conference in Egypt have spoken in favour of allowing discussion about wealthy nations paying compensation to developing nations for “loss and damage” caused by global warming.
Key points:
- Australia wants to co-host the 2026 UN climate conference with Pacific nations
- Federal minister Pat Conroy says a co-hosted conference would send a powerful message
- Climate Analytics chief executive Dr Bill Hare warned that Australia must improve its climate record to win support
The move comes as Australia openly lobbies nations to support its bid to co-host the 2026 UN climate conference with Pacific nations.
Minister for International Development and the Pacific, Pat Conroy, will lead Australia’s delegation during the first week of talks and says a co-hosted conference would send a powerful message.
“I think people are broadly supportive but obviously other countries in our regional bloc may have interest in it so there will be the normal sort of diplomatic rumble and tumble about it,” Mr Conroy told the ABC.
“I think the symbolism of Australia, which until the election was a laggard on climate change, hosting the event with the Pacific which is on the frontline would be very powerful.”
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Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-07/climate-summit-cop27-australia-bid-united-nations/101622320
I think Australians would accept the pump price pain, if the gasoline tax money was used to help Australia. For example, Australia desperately needs upgrades to our reservoirs and flood control measures, to avoid a repeat of this year’s horrible series of floods.
I’m not sure the Australian public will feel the same about simply giving that tax money away to other countries.
Australia’s climate grandstanding could also cause diplomatic problems for the USA, Canada and Britain, if other Western countries resist Australia’s call to join the taxpayer money giveaway.
Giving away money. I suspect that as of Tues nite the US congress and probably the senate will be in Republican hands. We’ll then see if Joe can give away money for this purpose.
Brandon seems to have a nack for giving away US tax dollars through EOs, or at least giving it a good effort.
The new congress will convene Jan 3 2023. Buck Fiden can do some EO damage until then.
Even after the new congress is convened, Biden will still be able to do lots of damage with executive orders. The only way congress can kill an EO is to pass a law and get Biden to sign it.
If Biden vetoes legislation, Congress can override.
Technically, The Congress is supposed to ratify Executive Orders by passing legislation making the EO moot.
Only, people have been allowing the President to sign executive orders without subsequent Congressional ratification. Treating the EOs as law.
Sloppy sloppy sloppy. Time to correct that incompetence.
In an earlier Administration (Obama), Congress passed legislation which forbade the President from signing any climate change treaty.
Congress can perform the same task, bluntly refusing imperious executive orders.
The House of Representatives originates the budget. They control spending and can deny EOs funding.
Passing bad legislation does not mean subsequent Congresses must support bad legislation or fund it.
The current optimism has the House and Senate picking up substantial majorities.
The new House and Senate should make Epstein’s book public. All of it.
but ohbummer still managed to give 500mil to the climate scammers I seem to remember
“The House of Representatives originates the budget. They control spending and can deny EOs funding.”
However, the Executive Branch is budgeted for huge amounts which can be directed and spent by themselves. That is where the EOs draw money from as it was already appropriated to them. That’s kind of wordy but I hope you get the drift.
“Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again!”
I truly hope so! if dems get hobbled it would help a lot of other countries like aus thats syncophantically following brandons shitful lead
Why should they need to do anything about the flooding, because they can just blame it on Climate Change, Shirley?
Zig, don’t call me Shirley!
Otherwise known as robbing Peter to pay Paul,
It wouldn’t get past the electorate if there was a choice.
Which is why they have no intention of allowing you to have that choice.
It isn’t their money, so of course they don’t mind handing it out. Really is maddening.
Climate change minister Chris Bowen, along with most of the Labor government who are members of the socialist Fabian Society, reveals his lust for “government power and force of will”.
Bugger what’s actually in the best interests of Aussie taxpayers –
I don’t remember getting the opportunity to vote on such a “giveaway”. Is Labor now so drunk with power that they think they can do anything they like?
And Albo seems to be immune to criticism about not attending the latest COP meetings stating he has too many other things to do.
Albo has been MIA on climate change lately. I’d like to believe this means Albo has the sense to realise skyrocketing power bills are a problem which could cost them the next election, but it might just be because he is having trouble coping with the top job.
Former Liberal MP, Cabinet Minister and lastly Speaker of the House, Bronwyn Bishop, commented on Sky News recently (Hardgrave) that having observed Albo MP for many years in Parliament in her opinion, and she said many other opinions, he was not leader material.
Any truth to the rumour he is holidaying in country Victoria with Stairman Dan?
Remember the film the 29 steps? Now there is a re-make the 3 steps that took down Stairman Dan.
hope theres a bigger flight of steps if they are
However, when former Prime Minister Morrison was hesitant about attending COP26 in Glasgow the Labor Opposition and Greens criticised him repeatedly, how dare he not attend such an important climate conference.
Sky News programmes have recently repeated the pile on to remind viewers.
yes
Socialists really love giving away other people’s money. It makes them feel good about themselves.
Giving away money? We’re going to be expert at it if Bowen’s ludicrous plan comes into being (it won’t). $15Billion a year, most of which goes to China, to replace 2GW of coal power, which costs about 0.8 billion a year, most of which stays in Australia.
COP27–where political virtue signaling again meets reality.
Why do the UNFCCC crowd think that if they failed 26 times, they will succeed on the 27th? Einstein had an applicable quote (I paraphrase):
”Insanity is doing the same failed thing over and over, thinking this time it works.”
The big COP27 problem is, NOTHING has worked as previous COPs predicted:
And Rud, every time someone presents these irrefutable facts to the agw acolytes, the response is just a vacant stare, and they continue on with the dogma.
It really is a cult.
They don’t care. They have taxpayer funded tourism to visit interesting places and spend other people’s money.
I read somewhere that climate models are officially off the agenda at COP27 as is RCP8.5 because they are recognised as being unrealistic.
Michael Connolly’s peer reviewed, empirical research on the Hadley tropospheric circulation model is also a big thorn in the alarmists side, whether they acknowledge it or not.
“Demanded third world reparations for climate loss and damage fail because there is demonstrably neither loss nor damage.”
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It’s quickly become clear that this is what COP27 is all about. When there’s the sniff of lots of free money you can bet that loss or damage will be found.
I predict that the money that will be given to African countries to adopt new climate policies will disappear. It will vanish into a black hole the same way the over $1400 billion given in aid since 1960 has vanished. Until Africa can give proper accounting and show the money has been wisely used I would say that not a dime more should be given.
There is another fact that is concealed from the general public in the West: The amount of money squandered through mismangement or is stolen by fraud from the annual budgets of African countries far exceeds that of the aid received. By all means send in people competent in their fields (accounting, engineering, agriculture, IT etc) to help African countries set up more efficient administrations. Perhaps these can be sent to cooperating countries for short terms like two years and extended where they are working.
If this money thing was really for “climate” problems, and perhaps money for any other reason, there should be no objection that it is given under these conditions:
(1) that along with the money goes a list of acceptable uses for the money
(2) that all recipient countries must freely submit to a twice yearly audit to verify how the money is being spent,
(3) that the results of the audio become public records, both to the world at large and to the citizens of the recipient country.
(4) perhaps other conditions arrived at after due consideration of what is reasonable and what is not.
Even better would be the donor countries actually build and implement the “solutions” to all the problems caused so the folks in the impacted countries can continue working on their own development
the chinese don’t give money . they go to a country and build infrastructure using chinese companies . win win .
Some years ago an accountant friend was tasked with auditing money given to Africa by the EU. Every time fraud was uncovered the funding for that particular project ceased – even if it was a good project. There was no jail or recoving of the money. That is why no money should be given – only technical guidance.
If we going to hand out money, then it should pro-rated by the % of each countries emissions. China will pay 30%, USA 15%, India 7%, Russia 5%…………Australia 1%.
And when China say’s, go f*ck yourself, what then?
Go for it. The US is on hold till after the midterm elections to restart the air drop bails of money.
With unfettered access to other people’s money, all forms of insanity becomes possible for politician’s political vanity.
The real issue is that today’s left wingers actually believe the government owns everything, including the entire money supply, and that through their own good heart they allow you to have some of it.
Why is Australia desperate to upgrade. That is an old political trick, we need the tax increase to upgrade vital infrastructure when they should have been doing it all along.
I’m not saying “more taxes for infrastructure” is right, I am saying people would probably accept it, especially if their home is threatened or was damaged by floods. Simply giving the money away to look good on the international stage probably won’t win the same level of acceptance.
Actually, I am past supporting those whose homes are threatened by flood. Let them go after the idiot councils and councilors that enabled the building of houses in those zones. And as for Lismore, it has flooded on average every 14 months since it was settled in the early 1800’s. I now have no sympathy whatever for those wanting to go back there and then using my taxes as their flood insurance. Stupidity needs to be faced down, not encouraged.
“vital infrastructure”
From the state of some roads… just a little bit of routine maintenance would be a start !
“upgrade vital infrastructure”
So they suddenly plan to build a new HELE coal fired power station ?
That should be considered VITAL to survival on the east coast over the next several years.
Advanced Ultra Super Critical (A-USC) and Steam H coal fired plants have low emissions like High Efficiency + Low emissions (HELE) but can also start up from cold in less than 30 minutes.
I think Australia should give double what the developing countries are asking for. That would be real powerful and should make Australians feel twice as good. Dumb asses.
It is not Australians making these decisions. It is our politicians brown-nosing to international agencies.
I understand that but it doesn’t make it any easier to hear or read. You guys need to double down and get rid of your pathetic leaders, in the kindest way possible of course. They truly are dumb asses.
“I think the symbolism of Australia… blah, blah !!”
Yes, you cretin.. That’s all it is… rampant, idiotic symbolism to the anti-CO2 cause.
Yet it will destroy the Australian way of life !!
If there is anyone that give Bowen a nudge in the “dumb as a sack of rocks” stakes… its Conroy !!
I’m not sure the Australian public will feel the same about simply giving that tax money away to other countries.
Well rational folks know fossil abstinence isn’t working but it’s only 4p a kWhr to starve the plants apparently-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/fossil-abstinence-isn-t-working-climate-expert/vi-AA13NljA?category=foryou
Ipso facto now Albo and Co know exactly where to stick the fuel excise and any spare readies now. That includes all the savings from ceasing the plethora of subsidies for windmills solar panels and battery cars and chargers. Not to mention the land cover savings with ditching dilute energy harvesting. Peace in our time between the plant food doomsters and scientific realists.
Not that it matters much for proper science, but there are at least 2 views on Australia and CO2.
1. Overall, Australia is a nett CO2 sink, with vegetation growth doing the heavy lifting; or
2. Australians are the world’s highest per capita emitters of CO2, as claimed by those wanting to spend big at COP.
One of these has to be wrong.
Geoff S
Geoff,
As I think up you know, Dr. Bill Burrows a retired Agricultural Scientist with the Queensland Government wrote a paper in May this year pointing out that under current UN IPCC rules and regulations Australia can include all land management governances (not the previously restrictive post -Kyoto regulations) and was a net sink not a net emitter for CO2, because of its rangelands and rainforests.
The Farming and Beef industries published Dr. Burrows paper at the time but it has been studiously ignored.
Ian Plimer wrote to similar effect in The Spectator Australia in May that Australia and its surrounding ocean and continental shelf are a net sink by a factor of five times,IIRC.
I wrote to both the Chief Scientist and the relevant Department (DISER) to ask whether the two opinions were correct.
The Department gave me the run around and ceased responding when I pressed the issue.
The Chief Scientist responded reasonably that it was not her job to comment on individual papers.
It is obviously a hot potato, and no one in authority will engage on the topic.
“One of these has to be wrong.”
Not necessarily, Geoff. They could both be wrong if you include the CO2 emissions related to all the exports of coal, gas, minerals and agricultural products.
Oops! I’ve changed my mind. If all the CO2 emitted from other countries that burn our fossil fuel exports, and consume our agricultural exports (which results in their breathing out 100 times more CO2 than they breathe in), then it’s probably true that, per capita, we are the highest emitters of CO2, because we have a relatively small population and our ‘per capita’ wealth is dependent upon those exports of sequestered carbon which are bought for the purpose of unsequestering the carbon.
Therefore, it’s probably not true that Australia is a net sink for all the CO2 that is emitted both within Australia and within the countries that use and consume our exports.
Vincent,
By ‘;wrong’ I meant ‘wrong in the context of arguments to restrict CO2 production, as by reduction of hydrocarbon fuel burning.”
Wht are we Aussies being badmouthed, when we should be praised for being a sink? Even Elon Musk knows what a sink is.
Geoff S
The roads are crumbling, high inflation, lowest productivity in 60 years, and that’s what they’re up to
From the UK Telegraph today.
The political classes in the UK, USA and Australia & NZ have lost touch with their electorates and with reality. Its Climate Derangement Syndrome.
Last time we saw the UK Chair of COP26, Alok Sharma, brought publicly to tears because some mad policy he favored had not been adopted – which even if it had been adopted would never have been implemented, and if implemented would have made no difference. And no-one of his colleagues or in the mainstream media commented that this was simply hysteria and that he needed to get a grip.
Heaven knows what sort of hysterical childishness we shall witness at COP27. It seems to get worse with each one.
The whole set of crazy delusions about CAGW, extreme weather, wind and solar, electric vehicles, and now giving away huge amounts of money allegedly to compensate countries for the non-existent damage that tiny and almost entirely natural climate fluctuations have done them.
To get a real picture of the extent of the derangement and disconnection you have to look at other things in addition to climate, because it doesn’t stop there. There are also the madnesses about race (whatever that is) and gender (whatever that is supposed to be). This is a culture descending into oblivion if it carries on, and all the signs are that it is getting more extreme and more irrational by the month.
The interesting thing is China.
The first claim back in the day was that China wasn’t emitting much. Then it was, and pretty soon it was emitting double the US and one third of the global total.
The argument then shifted.
China did not have to reduce because its per capita was low. Per capita, though irrelevant to the climate, because the climate supposedly only is affected by tonnage, was said to be the important thing, and those with the highest per capita emissions should reduce most and fastest.
Then China caught up with this too, and had per capita emissions about at the level of the EU.
So then the argument shifted again.
The important thing now was historic emissions, this was what really counted, and China’s were low, so did not have to reduce. Never mind that historic emissions have no bearing, since we cannot change them, the supposed catastrophe is going to be caused by present and future ones which we can change. Never mind that China’s per capita emissions were at EU levels, and their gross tonnage of emissions were huge, and they were mining and using more coal than the rest of the world put together. No, as long as their historic emissions were low, they should be free to do whatever they wanted, including grow emissions till they caught up.
Logic has never much mattered in these arguments. I always thought this amounted to the argument that it was only fair China should be free to destroy human civilization on earth.
But then China, because its emitting at such a rate, started to catch up on historic emissions! This is a disaster for the activists. China now accounts for about 11% and rising of historic emissions. The UK only about 3%. Pretty soon China will be the leading historic emitter. What then?
Here we are. Its very hard to find another reason why China should not either contribute to the bail-out fund, or reduce its emissions. Just about all the excuses have run out. I guess they served their purpose, they allowed the activists to keep on demanding the West reduce emissions while giving China a free pass, for a few years. But the game is pretty much up now.
Do you think this will lead Western activists to start making demands on China? Hell no. They will still demand that tiny emitters like NZ or Holland cull their farm animals to reduce their already tiny emissions still further. Because this has never been about emissions or climate. Its always been about finding bad arguments to do what we wanted to do on instinct, that is, cripple the Western economies while allowing the rest of the world to run free.
Tax attacks: that is modern governments in a nutshell.
sea level rise and the plight of island nations was the cudgel used to browbeat nations at Paris . sea level rise has neither accelerated nor destroyed pacific islands since . this year it’s monsoonal la niña floods in pakistan . how ridiculous that global policies are determined by overwrought climate evangelicals . how about some airtime for rational scientists ?
Re Pakistan this paper looks at historical flood damages in Pakistan and notes that floods occurred in 37 of the 64 years between 1947 and 2011. (29 floods in the 51 years from 1947 to 1998 and 8 floods in the 10 years from 2001 to to 2011)
Historical Analysis of Flood Information and Impacts Assessment and Associated Response in Pakistan. Misbah Masoor, Sidra Bibi, Rikhsana Jabeen. March 2013.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historical-flood-damages-in-Pakistan-1947-2011_tbl1_308054389
all this crud giveaways and guff and yeah short of a quid so go without aged care workers etc at the same time were giving our scant defence vehicles to the ukies to destroy and handing them money as well
Albos another FJB
Australia has the much bigger issue of defending itself against Chinese imperialism. The inevitable war within 2 years requires them to increase the power of its navy especially. Spending limited funds on the needless luxury of unreliables will have consequences. Australia’s leadership must be held accountable if things go badly in the future war. Remember America’s military ability is not universally protective and certain nations may regret this.
Unidentified UK ‘negotiators’ are also keen to keep the ‘reparations’ ball in the air so Oz isn’t alone in this lunacy.
Indeed.
UK pledges more than $115 mln to developing economies to tackle climate change
“The move comes as Australia openly lobbies nations to support its bid to co-host the 2026 UN climate conference with Pacific nations.”
Reading between the lines, they are just negotiating about where to hold the next big party.
1) It makes them look good politically, on a local level, when a big international jamboree come to town.
2) Economically it helps the local hotels and entertainment industry. Again, not bad for local politicians.
3) The international contingent may also bring along a lot of those young, dewy-eyed female climate activists who are so thrilled at this opportunity to travel the world and do almost anything to save the planet.
From 2002 to 2022 the tide gauge at Vanuatu shows a fall of 45 mm over the twenty years. So the danger of immersion is going away. Compensation can be safely avoided.,
The Australian Labor Party are all for foreigners, foreign countries, bludgers (moochers) and union shonks who rip off workers. Most of the current mob were in the govt that got voted out in 2013. When will voters learn?
They learn slowly and then vote against but soon forget and vote for again.