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Biden: Coal Plants “All Across America” will be Shut Down, Replaced by Solar and Wind

Essay by Eric Worrall

h/t MarkW – President Biden has announced the entire coal industry is shutting down because coal is too expensive and unreliable.

Biden says coal plants ‘all across America’ will be shut down, replaced with wind and solar

Biden argued that it’s ‘cheaper’ to generate electricity from wind and solar than it is from coal

By Andrew Miller FOXBusiness
Published November 4, 2022 6:22pm EDT

President Biden said Friday that coal plants are too expensive to operate, and “we’re going to be shutting these plants down all across America” in order to shift to wind power in a comment that drew criticism from the Republican National Committee.

“I was in Massachusetts about a month ago on the site of the largest old coal plant in America,” Biden said at an event in Carlsbad, California, on Friday. “Guess what? It cost them too much money. They can’t count. No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it. Even if they have all the coal guaranteed for the rest of the existence of the plant.

“So it’s going to become a wind generation. And all they’re doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on, we’re going to be shutting these plants down all across America and having wind and solar power, also providing tax credits to help families buy energy efficient appliances, whether it’s your refrigerator or your coffee maker, for solar panels on your home, weatherize your home, things that save an average, experts say, a minimum of $500 a year for the average family.”

Biden’s comment prompted a response from a Twitter account run by the Republican National Committee, which said, “Joe Biden celebrates coal plant workers losing their jobs.”

Biden added that it is “cheaper to generate electricity from wind and solar than it is from coal and oil.”

“Literally cheaper,” the president said. “Not a joke.”

On the campaign trail in 2020, candidate Biden suggested that coal miners facing an economy where their job is potentially phased out should “learn to program.”

Read more: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-says-coal-plants-all-across-america-will-shut-down-replaced-with-wind-solar

WUWT has already covered Biden’s wild claims about coal in Massachusetts.

No amount of wind and solar can reliably supply the USA during adverse winter weather.

Solar power doesn’t work at night, or in winter – Northern states especially simply don’t receive enough sunlight.

Wind alone cannot carry the USA’s energy needs during long periods when solar is unavailable. Wind simply isn’t a reliable source of energy.

Consider the Texas ice storm in February 2021 (see the graph at the top of the page). Solar dropped to almost nothing for over 10 days, and wind wasn’t available for significant periods. Nuclear power and fossil fuel, particularly gas, saved Texas from energy oblivion during that period.

Of course, I don’t believe anybody could reasonably expect President Biden to understand such issues. He doesn’t seem to understand much of anything these days.

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Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 10:06 am

I don’t understand how anybody can think a wind farm could replace a coal fired power station.

HotScot
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 10:18 am

No one actually believes it.

It’s a money redistribution method, from the gullible poor to the cunning wealthy, sold to the gullible poor as socialism, which they imagine is redistribution of wealth from the wealthy to the poor.

The rest of us know the truth. Socialism ought to be outlawed, it’s done nothing for populations other than destroy everything it touches.

Bryan A
Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 12:56 pm

Believing wind can is a Myth, stating wind can is a MythBluster

Duker
Reply to  Bryan A
November 5, 2022 2:06 pm

Yes. they think its something that can be made during the day and stored easily for another day . Like Doritos

Bryan A
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 5:04 pm

They could certainly use wind turbines to produce useful energy, simply place them ALL outside the congressional building and open the Windows. Might even prove to be Overunity.

william Johnston
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 10:24 am

Substitute “anybody” with “any thinking person”.

Bill Powers
Reply to  william Johnston
November 5, 2022 12:51 pm

It could be said that Biden is either the dumbest man to ever occupy the White House or the most Corrupt. In truth he is dumb and corrupt. But then he is a life long politician, so thinking people are not surprised.

Duker
Reply to  Bill Powers
November 5, 2022 2:08 pm

Biden is wrong , but the dumbest and corrupt was Trump – but not most corrupt as plenty before him.

Simonsays
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 2:30 pm

Which economy do you prefer the one under Trump where inflation was 1.5% and the US was energy independent or the one under Biden.

Duker
Reply to  Simonsays
November 5, 2022 4:09 pm

US Oil production is ramping up again and in 2023 according to US EIA will EXCEED the 2019 record under Trump
Oil production is because of oil companies not Presidents

Don Perry
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 4:22 pm

You need to seek psychiatric help immediately for your serious delusional condition. You must have brown eyes, as you are COMPLETELY full of brown waste matter.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 9:08 pm

More succinctly, “Oil production is because of oil companies and the current energy crisis is because of the current administration”.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 5, 2022 9:55 pm

That applies to the entire “free world” at present. If the Govt’s ruin the oil companies, they will have to nationalize them to prevent a total collapse of society.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 6, 2022 4:22 am

We can see how well (no pun intended) that worked in Venezuela. Just another sign that Venezuela is EXACTLY the “model” Democrats want to emulate.

They should lose every seat in every election nationwide next Tuesday if people have any sense. Unfortunately too many don’t.

Kevin A
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 7, 2022 8:25 am

Kind of like Venezuela, have things have worked out for them?

Willem Post
Reply to  Duker
November 7, 2022 2:59 pm

No Clue Biden is politically using the strategic oil reserve to limit Dem losses in the Mid-Terms.

Why was he not using wind, solar and batteries?

Very simple.

BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO UNRELIABLE, EVEN TO LIMIT POLITICAL LOSSES

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 2:57 pm

Poor Duker, his hatred of Trump’s success is so severe, that it forces him to bring up Trump every time his boy Biden gets criticized.

Your insatiable desire to believe that Trump represents all things evil has caused you to once again, repeat lies that were never true.

Editor
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 3:49 pm

D*nier. Hey, I have no idea what you are d*nying, but it’s today’s handy put-down.

Duker
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 5, 2022 4:10 pm

Biden is wrong. Trump is a moron. It happens

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 4:51 pm

And your evidence that Trump is a moron is what?
The fact that he’s been very successful in life while you remain a loser?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 5:15 pm

The rumor is Trump will declare his candidacy for the presidency about Nov. 14, 2023, right after the Nov. 8 elections are completed.

Trump is back. This ought to be fun watching the radical Left flip out.

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 5, 2022 8:44 pm

I think I’d rather see a Ronald ticket than The Donald ticket in ’24 myself. IMHO Desantis knows politics better and isn’t quite as much of a dramatic personality.

I just loathe the idea of another 4 years of temper tantrums and allegations from every corner of the left pocket to try and depose Trump by hook or crook. It’s bad enough that MSM have the TV indoctrinated ignoramuses’ of the public yelling “Crucify him!” constantly nowadays. They will surely double-down if he’s president again.

MarkW
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 5, 2022 9:35 pm

Having watched the left go bonkers every time the Republicans in the Senate managed to thwart one of their schemes, the left will go bonkers no matter what Republican is in the White House.
Bonkers is what the left does, it’s the only strategy modern leftists know.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 6, 2022 3:40 am

Yes, and the leftwing media will do the very same to DeSantis that they have done to Trump.

You’ll get sick of hearing all the lies and distortions they tell about DeSantis.

If a Republican threatens Democrat power, the Democrats and their Propaganda Wing, the Leftwing Media will throw every lie they can generate against that Republican.

The Leftwing hate campaign against Trump has apparently turned you off from Trump. They won this one, didn’t they. See how propaganda works?

The focus should be on Trump’s policies which gave us the best economy we have had in decades.

You won’t find a Republican candidate that the radical Democrats won’t try to demonize. And as you have seen, they do a pretty good job of it when they want to, especially considering they control about 95 percent of everything people see every day. It’s hard to get away from their daily lies.

My choice is Trump for president and DeSantis for vice president. Who could beat that ticket?

Don’t expect the leftwing media to treat any Republican fairly. You might as well ask them to be nice to Adolf Hitler, because that’s the way they see every Republican.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 6, 2022 6:47 am

They’ve already started the demonization campaign against DeSantis. They are accusing him of denying health care to children because Florida passed and DeSantis signed a bill banning sexual reassignment surgery and puberty blocking drugs for minors. They’ve accuses him of denying the vote to blacks and minorities because Florida requires voter ID for voting.
And so on.

Willem Post
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 7, 2022 3:06 pm

The reason Trump was successful, is because he thinks rationally, like a business person, not like screwed-up politicians.

The business of America, is BUSINESS!!
The US will mortally imperil itself, if that mantra is ignored

roaddog
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 6, 2022 12:28 pm

Democrats consider their demonization of Trump to have been so successful that is their playbook for all future Republican presidents. Even if Desantis is elected president, he will face at least two impeachments if Democrats hold either the House or the Senate.

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 8:53 pm

Griff retires, this ‘Duker’ dude rises to replace him, as a miasmic methane bubble from the swamp. His ideas smell of Sulphur as well. This is gonna be fun!
Yours in WUWT,
Best Regards,
MCR

Hutches Hunches
Reply to  Duker
November 8, 2022 12:11 am

You got that wrong….Biden is both. Trump is both genius and correct about energy.

ian Coleman
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 9:31 pm

But who was the worst president, in terms of actual harms committed? George W. Bush (who was a two-termer) by a wide margin, because of the failed and falsely rationalized attack on Iraq, in 2003. Also, the regulatory failures that led to the subprime mortgage crisis were set in motion during Bush’s tenure.

The dumbest president, in terms of actual lack of pure mental acuity (but not policy failure) must have been Ronald Reagan. By the middle of his second term, Ronald Reagan had very little in the way of short term memory, and probably slept a minimum of sixteen hours a day.

But sure, Joe Biden is clearly a confused and tired old man. What were the Americans thinking, electing a president who will be 82 at the end of his term? Do they not understand the nature of human aging?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ian Coleman
November 6, 2022 3:42 am

Your take on history is seriously flawed.

Graemethecat
Reply to  ian Coleman
November 6, 2022 5:37 am

I taie issue with your characterization of Reagan as mentally limited. Watch any video of his Presidential debates and you will see a man who can think on his feet.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Duker
November 6, 2022 3:21 pm

G’Day Duker,

“… the dumbest … was Trump …”

Reporter to Biden, “When are you going to deliver your State of the Union Address?” “My address —— 1600 something or other.”

John Hultquist
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 10:49 am

It is not a “farm”. Well, it does harvest subsidies, so in that sense the concept of farm applies.
These things sometimes produce electricity, as do coal, gas, and nuclear facilities.
Let’s call them “wind power facilities”, not farms.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 5, 2022 11:01 am

We should call them ecosystem destroyers and bird decimators.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Matt Kiro
November 5, 2022 11:39 am

Exactly Matt.

Wind turbines, with their diffuse and intermittent production are the energy source from environmental hell.
When was the last time that you were driving past dozens of them on the side of the road, wrecking the local landscape and thought about how much they’re creating a green, natural environment?

Greening the planet is actually the biggest impact from fossil fuel burning emissions.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Mike Maguire
November 5, 2022 10:03 pm

How many times have you driven by them and seen many of them not turning?

Leo Smith
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
November 6, 2022 1:33 am

Every time. Or half are slowly turning to protect the bearings, using electricity to do it.

michael hart
Reply to  Leo Smith
November 6, 2022 1:21 am

How fast do they actually need to turn to protect the bearings? I’m pretty sure I frequently see them not moving at all, but in a passing car I don’t usually have time to make longer observations.

Tangentially, I suppose solar does at least have the “merit” of being more predictably useless, allowing the real generators more preparation time to take up the load.

MarkW
Reply to  michael hart
November 6, 2022 6:59 am

I’ve never actually timed the ones I’ve seen moving slowly, but I would guess they were doing around 10 minutes to make 1 revolution. It was slow enough that you needed a fixed reference point to see the movement.

roaddog
Reply to  michael hart
November 6, 2022 12:33 pm

I believe the claim that they need to turn continuously to protect the bearings is pure urban myth. I see them dead still all the time.

MarkW
Reply to  roaddog
November 6, 2022 1:55 pm

I see them turning very slowly all the time. Perhaps the ones you see not turning have already been retired.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 3:53 pm

I don’t travel out to Hays, KS very often but every time I do I see windmills that are dead. They are not that old. I sincerely doubt they have been retired yet.

roaddog
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
November 6, 2022 12:32 pm

Every time.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Mike Maguire
November 6, 2022 4:33 am

Took a drive for a long weekend recently. At one point three huge wind turbines came into view. My wife, unfortunately one of the indoctrinated, remarked about how aesthetically pleasing they were. I told her I thought they were ugly and spoiled the natural landscape.

But more to the point, I told her to notice that ALL THREE WERE STATIONARY. And told her to think about how we keep the lights on when they aren’t working, since when depending on the whim of the weather for electricityTHAT is a frequent occurrence. No response to THAT, of course.

Steve Case
Reply to  Matt Kiro
November 5, 2022 11:50 am

“We should call them . . . . . . . bird decimators.”
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I love pasting this one up on these boards:



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It doesnot add up
Reply to  Steve Case
November 5, 2022 1:00 pm

I found an interesting anagram for COP president Alok Sharma

O mash a lark

Leo Smith
Reply to  Matt Kiro
November 6, 2022 1:33 am

I call them prayer wheels and museum pieces

Megs
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 5, 2022 10:05 pm

As with the rest of the ‘green’ industry, they should be called “Ruinables”
But then there’s always Unreliables…or Replaceables.

roaddog
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 6, 2022 12:31 pm

They would most accurately be referred to as “subsidy farms.”

Kevin A
Reply to  roaddog
November 7, 2022 8:33 am

Tax payer money pits

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 10:51 am

Traitor Joe has a plan for you…

James Stagg
Reply to  Gregory Woods
November 5, 2022 4:54 pm

When do you expect Brandon will tell his plans to Soros, who has accumulated a large amount of (depressed) coal stock?

Pop Piasa
Reply to  James Stagg
November 5, 2022 8:58 pm

Perhaps Soros told Prez LOL 80million votes that he should announce this to drive the price of coal stocks down further.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  James Stagg
November 6, 2022 4:36 am

He’s buying coal on the cheap so that when the wind and solar boondoggle finally crash and burn, he’ll have the market cornered.

Gilbert K. Arnold
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 12:26 pm

Unless they are totally delusional or completely out of touch with reality…(sigh)

Duker
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 2:31 pm

They are about to find out in Western Australia and they are heading into summer when ac pushes up demand.
No interconnector with other states either.
Looks like they will have the double whammy of not enough generation and lack of grid stability as the roof top home solar drops off as the evening peak demand hits

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-11-06/power-on-the-brink-as-indian-coal-loan-turns-toxic/101612696

Pop Piasa
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 5, 2022 9:38 pm

Bill, the coal plant I worked at as a young man produced up to 600 MW on about 30 acres of land next to the Mississippi river.

I’ll bet you can’t fit 600 1 MW wind turbines in that small of an area.
We must also consider that the wind gens rarely (if ever) achieve their nameplate rated output.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Pop Piasa
November 6, 2022 7:13 am

According to a recent Blackrock Energy & Resources Income Trust plc – interim report (31 May 2022)

To replace a 100MW gas fired turbine the size of a residential home would require 20 x 500 foot wind turbines on 10 square miles of land.

Leo Smith
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 6, 2022 1:30 am

I don’t understand how anybody can think a wind farm could replace a coal fired power station.

1/. The people who believe this nonsense don’t think. They believe what they are told. Its more energy efficient to be so lazy that questioning what the local media says is simply not done.

2/. The people who push this nonsense don’t believe a word of it either. As with Russia, its just a plasuible narrative that gets them what they want. Subsidies and profit.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Leo Smith
November 6, 2022 4:56 am

I wouldn’t say profit, you had it partially right – it’s for subsidies, mandates and tax credits.

Without those three things, nobody would build wind and solar “farms,” because no utility in its right mind would increase its costs massively and decrease its reliability by allowing erratic, poor quality generation into the grid.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 6, 2022 2:59 am

VOTE ON TUESDAY FOR ENERGY PROPONENTS!!

roaddog
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 6, 2022 12:24 pm

Criminals don’t “think” like the rest of us do.

Willem Post
Reply to  Bill Toland
November 7, 2022 2:53 pm

Totally deranged EU Bureaucrats in Brussels proclaim, in unison, wind, solar and batteries are the way forward

Not to be outdone, demented Biden proclaims,

only EVs will be sold after 2035;

all coal plants will be shut by 2030 (Manchin grossly ticked off);

all nuclear plants will be shut, because they will have exceeded their license period; and

all that electricity will be replaced when MOTHER NATURE FEELS LIKE IT, i.e., with a much more expensive-to-own-and-operate electricity system, based on wind, solar, batteries.

The EU proclamation came, regardless of Europe’s frantic scrounging for gas all over the world, and paying for that SPOT gas FOUR TIMES AS MUCH, AS UNDER LONG TERM CONTRACTS WITH RUSSIA.

There is only one outcome of this EU folly: DE-INDUSTRIALIZATION AND GLOBAL WARMING CONTINUING, because China and India, etc. say “scre. U to the West”

This is the mindset, EU country leaders have to follow, or else no subsidies from Brussels.
Those subsidies have been used to enforce the faux EU “UNITY” for decades.

A few countries, such as Hungary, and Serbia, and Poland, tell the EU, “scre. U.”
A few other countries are politically waiting for the cold winter to tell Brussels “scre. U.”

Liardet Guy
November 5, 2022 10:13 am

Why don’t Republicans hammer him on this issue? And gas prices?

Editor
Reply to  Liardet Guy
November 5, 2022 11:15 am

They are. That is why the Dems will get a shellacking next week

HotScot
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 11:38 am

Other than the rigging, and I don’t mean yachts.

Steve Case
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 1:34 pm

Why don’t Republicans hammer him on this issue? And gas prices?
They are. That is why the Dems will get a shellacking next week
_____________________________________________________

Not in Wisconsin. Senator Johnson and Mandela Barnes are beating each other up over abortion and crime. Johnson is painting Barnes as a rubber stamp for liberal Democrats, but doesn’t say why that’s bad. There’s not a peep about Democrats banning fossil fuels and destroying the economy. I’m guessing there are too many powerful Republicans who are on board with the climate nonsense.

starzmom
Reply to  Steve Case
November 5, 2022 1:59 pm

Sadly I think you are right on the Republicans. I spent time working in the energy industry. My general experience with friends and family is that whatever their politics, they don’t understand any part of the energy industry or science at all. So they are inclined to defer to authority and that has been so corrupted as to be almost criminal especially on the climate side. Same thing with the lawyers who are powerful Republicans. We can’t be seen as anti-environmental now, can we?

Simonsays
Reply to  Steve Case
November 5, 2022 2:32 pm

Welcome to the Climate Industrial Complex.

Bryan A
Reply to  Steve Case
November 5, 2022 5:07 pm

Most Wisconsin Senator’s heads are filled with Cheddar…They don’t know Jack

Steve Case
Reply to  Bryan A
November 6, 2022 3:53 pm

Ron Johnson should win, we will see, and if he does he gets six years to fight the Climate Monster. By then he will be 73 and won’t need to run again.

Duker
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 2:12 pm

Every party in power gets that in midterms.

Republicans got that in 2018. 41 seats in the house changed hands compared to 6 in 2016

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 6, 2022 5:01 am

Unfortunately they’re not doing it in the right way. Coal workers losing their jobs is NOT THE ISSUE (see their “response” above). The issue is the Democrats pushing their stupidity which will make the grid LESS RELIABLE, MORE EXPENSIVE, AND MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY DESTRUCTIVE than running the whole thing on coal.

So their response should be “Democrats celebrate making the electric grid much less reliable and much more expensive.”

tgasloli
Reply to  Liardet Guy
November 5, 2022 11:57 am

The GOP has its own climate change work group with its own list of subsidy seeking campaign donors. In 2017–18 they could have withdrawn the GHG finding of endangerment and passed legislation banning the regulation of CO2 and any other compound as a GHG.

mkelly
Reply to  Liardet Guy
November 5, 2022 1:07 pm

It would be indelicate to “hammer” them at this time.

Ted
Reply to  Liardet Guy
November 5, 2022 6:58 pm

The media is is so all-in that bringing up climate reality is treated like supporting rape or stating that Biden is a lizard person. They’ll never support Republicans, but on other issues they will be painted as merely wrong as opposed to being insane.

HotScot
November 5, 2022 10:13 am

I mean, we all know Biden’s losing it but you wouldn’t imagine even an idiot like him could say “because coal is too expensive and unreliable” with a straight face.

It only replaced windmills in the first place and drove the industrial revolution around the world for a couple of hundred years with extraordinary reliability and economy.

Following a recent global survey we find that no one but politicians are buying this crap.

The fact is, the unprincipled old duffer even makes a crappy dictator.

shoehorn
Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 2:13 pm

Yeh Joe should tell Xi that coal is expensive and unreliable.

November 5, 2022 10:14 am

Biden is clearly senile. What is Chuck Schumer’s excuse?

HotScot
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2022 1:49 pm

Biden’s not senile, he’s always been this stupid.

Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 1:51 pm

Stupidity is no protection from senility.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2022 3:29 pm

That does not mean he’s not senile as well

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2022 5:04 am

Now he’s both.

roaddog
Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2022 12:38 pm

The two are not mutually exclusive.

dk_
Reply to  Tom Halla
November 5, 2022 1:58 pm

Hack means you never have to say you’re sorry, until the Party requires it.

Ivon Fergus
November 5, 2022 10:15 am

How about instead: Democrats will be voted out of office all across the country and be replaced by Republicans and Independents?

Bob B.
Reply to  Ivon Fergus
November 5, 2022 12:19 pm

And they can use the same transmission lines.

shoehorn
Reply to  Ivon Fergus
November 5, 2022 2:14 pm

Making coal cheap and reliable again.

EOM
Reply to  Ivon Fergus
November 6, 2022 11:59 am

Have you, anyone, factored in massive election fraud?

Shoki Kaneda
November 5, 2022 10:21 am

No, they won’t.

Editor
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
November 5, 2022 11:15 am

They will lose the House and Senate

MarkW
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 11:35 am

Yesterday, one of the top Democrats in the state of Georgia endorsed the Republican for governor in his state. Today one of the top Democrats in the state of Ohio urged voters to not vote for the Democrat candidate for the Senate.
In both cases, they complained that the national Democrat party had become a captive of the far left and no longer cared about working people.

Over the last week or two, there has been a steady movement in all of the polls, away from Democrats and towards Republicans. This is rapidly moving towards a wave election. This is how things felt prior to the election in 1980 when Reagan won and the Republicans captured many Senate seats as well as thousands upon thousands of state and local positions. It also reminds me of the weeks prior to the 1992 election when under the guidance of Newt Gingrich, the Republicans captured control of the House of Representatives for the first time in over 60 years.

Just like those two years, I would not be surprised to see a large number of politicians, from local up to national, change their party affiliation after the election.

HotScot
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 11:40 am

Tragically, democrats have refined the art of rigging election results since then.

Duker
Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 2:27 pm

The crucial states where Trump lost were controlled by Republicans

Then how come down ticket republicans did very well in 2020 ?

No court cases ,recounts, hand recounts or even audits found any ‘rigging’, its only the fantasists who believe that

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 3:02 pm

As you well know, voting county is controlled by the counties, not the states. It doesn’t matter who controls the state. As to no couirt cases finding instances of voter fraud, you are just like the rest of the Democrats, blind to anything you don’t want to see.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 4:17 pm

No evidence is why the court cases failed, they were just fantasists like you . Notice you didnt mention the ‘audits’ done by republican groups . How did that go in Arizona where they had the original ballots to recount

The states decide the rules of voting and yes the counties ‘run’ the election process but it was normally suburban republican controlled counties where they voted against Trump but down ticket for other republican candidates

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 4:54 pm

Every day, you get more like griff. It doesn’t matter how many times your lies are refuted, you keep regurgitating them up.
There were no cases that were lost. There were many cases that were rejected by the courts because the courts claimed they lacked relevance (the election was over) or they lacked jurisdiction.

I see you are still trying to push the lie that audits and such are performed by state level personnel.

Ted
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 7:05 pm

 “How did that go in Arizona where they had the original ballots to recount”
They found 40,000 ballots that should not have counted because their source could not be verified. The sum total of the ballots they were given favored Biden, but the ballots that that were known to be legal favored Trump.

Dena
Reply to  Ted
November 5, 2022 8:48 pm

I live in Arizona and so far, I haven’t heard anything about that. You must sign the ballot envelop and put your phone number on it. If they can’t match the signature, they will call you and attempt to cure the ballot. If they can’t, it’s not counted.
The reason Arizona went blue is because the Republicans made it more difficult to get on the ballot. This kept the Green party off but the Libertarians were still on it. The Greens voted Democrat and the Libertarians split the vote. The difference was enough for a clear win for the Democrats. Had this not been the case, Arizona would have gone read.
Sometimes the Republicans seem to have a death wish.

Dena
Reply to  Dena
November 6, 2022 7:16 am

Thanks to those who gave me the minus marks. Here is the editorial I submitted to the Arizona Republic that goes into more detail. It wasn’t published but it is factual.

Arizona isn’t Blue
The election results suggest that Arizona has turned blue and at first glance, that appears to be correct. Drilling in to the numbers tells a far different story. Currently Biden has 49.4% of the vote and Trump has 49.1% of the vote. Overlooked is Jo Jorgensen(Libertarian) who received 1.5% of the vote. If only part of the Libertarian vote had gone to Trump, it would have been enough to put Trump over the top. 
More important is what’s missing from this discussion. On December 2,2019 the Republic published an article (Green Party no longer recognized as a political party in Arizona) explaining how the Green party was removed from the ballot through a combination of low voter turnout, higher signature requirements and an earlier deadline for filing signatures. Had the green party been on the ballot, based on 2018 results, they could have claimed as much as 2% of the Democrat’s votes. 
Any Democrat elected to office in Arizona should be aware of the state’s conservative values because while the vote was blue, Arizona’s heart is red. 

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2019/12/02/arizona-green-party-ballot-loses-status-as-political-party/2585927001/

Jim Gorman
Reply to  Duker
November 6, 2022 5:24 am

You’re probably too young to remember the Mayor Daley machine in Chicago. Nobody was ever prosecuted there for voting irregularities, even though numerous dead folks voted multiple times.

Our voting registration and mail-in balloting rules are badly outdated in today’s computer age. There is no reason multiple databases like Soc. Security, death records, etc. can’t be searched properly before getting a ballot.

In any case, not recognizing that fraud can and does exist is putting your head in the sand.

Leo Smith
Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2022 1:38 am

In the UK, they simply took the democrat principle of haranguing anyone slghtly to the right of Leon Trotsky to new heights by pushing out prime mister after prime minister till they got the one they wanted, who is now set to cover the country with windmills, ban fracking and stall nuclear until it’s all too late.

Who is behind all this, and why?

Kevin kilty
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 11:55 am

The 1994 election. Not 1992.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 12:32 pm

At least it’s a little safer to drive now. Right after Obama won the first time, I saw numerous car wrecks and drivers pulling over to throw up because they had partied all night with heavy drinking. It was noticeable and very odd, but Obama went on to make things 1,000 worse from the podium.

Leo Smith
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 6, 2022 1:41 am

It was the same here with Tony Blair. People thought how wonderful he would be.
He destroyed the nation alothgether, took us into a war on a lie, and made a personal fortune out of insider trading, and presided over making renewable energy the default [non-]solution to energy.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 2:24 pm

You are forgetting the 2018 mid term ‘wave’ election when the Democrats won 41 seats in the House
Who was the President then, was it one described by his own senior advisors as a moron

Simonsays
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 2:35 pm

Best thing that happened, as Trump had to clean out the Rinos.. There are still plenty more of them to get rid of however, but he is the first person to try and drain the swamp.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 3:04 pm

Anybody who describes Trump as an idiot, is automatically an apostle of “The Truth”. Anybody who describes Trump as a genius, is just an idiot who can’t see the truth.

Do you buy kool-aid by the tanker?

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 4:20 pm

Its what his senior staff , that he picked, called him.

he *really* was. Spent more time on golf course than any other President as he was well past the rigour that the job demands

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
November 5, 2022 4:56 pm

Are you as naive as your posts make you sound?
You honestly believe that everyone who is picked is loyal to the boss?

Yes he picked them, and he picked them for many reasons. And many of the people he picked hated Trump from the beginning because he isn’t a member of the club.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 5:09 am

Sort of like “Anyone who runs is a VC; anyone who doesn’t run is a well disciplined VC!”

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 2:38 pm

Top Democrats in Georgia ?

You mean the Democrat Governor from over 30 years ago That was from an era when the state democrats were often very conservative , and the party label was just a tradition

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 2:45 pm

1994.

Duker
Reply to  John Tillman
November 5, 2022 4:34 pm

How did it go in 2018.. Which side lost heavily when big Donny was President ?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 12:36 pm

Been following this closely. House R plus at least 44, maybe over 50. There are exactly 61 close races and things look real bad for Dems based on inflation and gas prices plus open borders plus crime. Senate will end at least R 54. Could be R 56 if NH and WA both go R. NH suddenly now looking good.

HotScot
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 1:52 pm

What would a victory in the House and the Senate mean in real terms?

Sorry Rud my understanding of US politics is limited.

starzmom
Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 2:04 pm

Rud can correct me if I am wrong, but from my view, the Biden administration would have a hard time getting any legislation passed that they want. They would also have trouble getting judges and Supreme Court justices confirmed by the Senate. Since any legislation they do pass must be signed by the president, nothing the Republicans want will be signed into law. In short, not much will get done.

MarkW
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 3:08 pm

Preventing further damage is a good thing.
The Republicans will also control the agendas of various committees. Various Republicans have already pledged to start investigating DOJ and FBI misconduct as well as aspects of the Biden crime family.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 3:10 pm

In short, not much will get done.”

That could turn out to be a blessing.

A Senate and House in R control could help end over-regulation by cutting funding for the Bureaucratic Hegemony we suffer under today. Biden would either have to sign the appropriations or be tarred by the government shutdown brush.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
November 5, 2022 3:39 pm

Back when Reagan was president and congress was controlled by Democrats, the media went on and on about how Reagan was obligated to sign the budget that was passed by congress, since they were the branch that was directly elected by the people.

A few years later, when Clinton was president and congress was controlled by Republicans, the media had changed it’s tune. Now the party line was that congress had an obligation to vote out a budget that Clinton wanted, since the president is the only position that was elected by the whole country.

Doesn’t matter who is in or out, the Republicans are always responsible for anything bad.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 4:48 pm

A little critical thinking will tell you that Clinton (or Obama or Biden) was *NOT* elected by the entire country. That’s why we have an electoral college. They may have been elected by a majority of the the people in the country but they were *not* elected by the whole country.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
November 5, 2022 4:57 pm

This is the line that the Democrats were pushing at the time, I didn’t say that I agreed with it.
As Duker is demonstrating, Democrats are not big on critical thinking.

Drake
Reply to  Tim Gorman
November 5, 2022 7:59 pm

Clinton NEVER received a majority of the popular vote.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Drake
November 6, 2022 6:03 am

Clinton’s first time he only had 43% of the popular vote.
Both times most of the voters wanted somebody else.

MarkW
Reply to  Gunga Din
November 6, 2022 7:06 am

But for some reason, that fact was never important to the media.

Drake
Reply to  MarkW
November 7, 2022 6:51 pm

Yep, he was a very popular president according to the media.

And Reagan was well hated by everyone, according to the media.

James Stagg
Reply to  Tim Gorman
November 5, 2022 5:58 pm

Repubs are not well known for “cutting funding”, which, as you say, would be a blessing. As long as McCarthy and McConnell are in charge, you may think the Dems won back all their seats.

Drake
Reply to  James Stagg
November 5, 2022 7:59 pm

McConnell may not be in charge of the Senate.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 3:22 pm

Yup. Stalemate. I explain why just below.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 10:13 pm

Which can be seen as a really good thing.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  HotScot
November 5, 2022 3:21 pm

It means Biden is shut down. He can veto R initiative legislative stuff, and Rs might not be able to override vetos. So, stalemate, since veto override is per A1§7.2 requires 2/3 of both houses. (There are scenarios where Biden vetoes could be overridden. R take >50 in House, and in Senate if R=56 and Manchin and Synema go R on veto overrides and some D’s also agree).
Basically, none of his legislative agenda gets passed his last two years in office.

Drake
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 8:11 pm

Don’t forget the debt limit issue.

THAT is why the Dems passed the last boondoggle the Inflation Reduction Act, for the tax increases. They knew that they were going to loose the congress, and needed to get as much taxes in place to be able to continue their spending.

As to Manchin, when he voted for the Inflation Reduction tax increase green new deal, he SHOULD have ended any possibility of Republicans working with him. He should be totally shut out. He is up in 2024, and he will be gone. He has been a curse to WV for the last 4 years, and only SAYING he would govern conservatively got him reelected the last midterm election.

IF the Republicans do anything to push pipeline licensing, they should NOT include the WV pipeline that Manchin wants, supposedly sold his vote for, and didn’t even get. Then tell WV voters the Republicans will make it happen AFTER he is gone.

DO NOT LET HIM SWITCH TO THE REPUBLICAN CAUCUS. The damage he did with the IRA was and is astronomical.

Mac
Reply to  HotScot
November 6, 2022 2:54 am

The republicans at least can stall the insane budget items. Impeachment may be on the table. Investigations into the corruption of many agencies(DOJ,FBI) and departments such as Homeland security, Interior Dept, Energy Dept etc

MarkW
Reply to  Mac
November 6, 2022 7:08 am

We would need at least 67 Republican senators for impeachment to be an option. No Democrat would EVER vote to impeach one of their own.
Given the fact that we could count on at least a handful of Republicans blinking in the face of the inevitable media storm, we would probably need over 70 Republicans for impeachment to stand a chance.

Dena
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 10:08 am

They can impeach with 50%+1 in the house. Conviction in the senate requires a 2/3 majority or 67 votes. Near impossible to accomplish because no president has been convicted so far. The closest was Nixon who saw the writing on the wall and resigned to avoid the mark of impeachment.
Trump was impeached twice however they lacked the votes in the senate to convict. That is likely what would happen if they attempted that with Biden.
At the moment, the best bet is to place it before the Supreme Court as a constitutional issue. Already Biden has been stopped several times because of unconstitutional actions and rule by executive order is clearly a constitutional violation.

MarkW
Reply to  Dena
November 6, 2022 1:59 pm

If you impeach knowing that you don’t have the votes in the Senate to convict, the media will spin this as a victory for the Democrats. Clinton wore his impeachment trial as a badge of honor and politically he was stronger than ever.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 10:12 pm

Don’t trust the polls.

roaddog
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 6, 2022 12:44 pm

And after all that, McConnell will do nothing with the mandate.

alastair gray
November 5, 2022 10:24 am

“So it’s going to become a wind generation. And all they’re doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on,”

No Joe Not so! You need a hell of a lot more transmission line to handle multiple asynchronous sources of power. In the UK the National Grid estimated over the next 5 years we need 5 times as much transmission line and other infrastructure as had been installed in the last 30 years.

Bob Hunter
November 5, 2022 10:25 am

Has Joe just handed the Pennsylvania Senate race to Dr OZ? Hillary’s mistake with her “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business.” Biden, a walking gaffe machine.

MarkW
Reply to  Bob Hunter
November 5, 2022 11:38 am

Hillary recently declared that anyone who can shovel coal, could learn to program.

Lark
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 4:55 pm

I don’t think she’s stupid enough to either say or believe that.
Biden, OTOH (campaigning late 2019):

“Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well,” Biden told an audience in Derry, New Hampshire. “Anybody who can throw coal into a furnace can learn how to program, for God’s sake!”

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Lark
November 5, 2022 10:17 pm

They may well be able to learn to code. Programming, not so much.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
November 6, 2022 9:52 am

Are you speaking of morse code? Or just being a data entry clerk inputting programming code generated by someone else?

Rod Evans
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 12:42 am

Ahh yes Hilarity Clinton….it takes a very special expensive education to be able to come up with such precise lunatic observations as that, What was it Bill said? ” I did not have ‘intellectual’ relations with that woman” We can all see why….

Mac
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 6, 2022 3:03 am

I once thought of marketing cigars called Clintons. The saying on the box and wrappers would be …Smokem or Pokem Your Choice…:):)

MarkW
Reply to  Mac
November 6, 2022 7:10 am

Wasn’t there a brand of cigar that had been soaked in wine?

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 10:02 am

Are you thinking of Swisher Sweets?

roaddog
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 12:50 pm

Vice versa, however, is not the case. The mob just let go at Twitter could never be trusted to operate heavy equipment.

Kevin R.
November 5, 2022 10:30 am

The political question isn’t whether or not the coal industry should or shouldn’t be shut down, the political question is whether or not the president of a free country has the power to do such a thing as destroy perfectly legal industries. Does the president have the power to be a dictator? The political question is are we to live in a free country or in a dictatorship?

MarkW
Reply to  Kevin R.
November 5, 2022 11:43 am

As Clinton said, “stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool”
Democrats want their presidents to have dictatorial powers. They have never had any use for the details of building coalitions.

Kevin R.
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 5:55 pm

Yes, they do want a dictator. Back before WWII the Left was at least honest enough to actually say they wanted dictatorship. Now they have absolutely zero intellectual honesty.

Mac
Reply to  Kevin R.
November 6, 2022 3:04 am

Gavin Newsom in California believes he has dictatorial powers.

Rick C
November 5, 2022 10:32 am

Well at least Joe Manchin is passed off at Biden’s dissing coal and demanding an immediate public apology. Wonder if he’s regretting enabling Dementia Joe’s “more inflation now” act yet?

HotScot
Reply to  Rick C
November 5, 2022 11:42 am

Whatever Manchin says, he means the precise opposite.

Drake
Reply to  Rick C
November 5, 2022 8:15 pm

Manchin is worthless and will be gone after the 2024 election.

WV voted over 70% for TRUMP! and Manchin voted for the green new deal.

Ilma
November 5, 2022 10:39 am

Coal, unreliable?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He’s still drinking the koolaid.

Editor
Reply to  Ilma
November 5, 2022 12:35 pm

The Kool-Aid is now in Biden’s ice cream.

Regards,
Bob Tisdale

markl
November 5, 2022 10:42 am

“No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it.” Ask China, India, etc. what they think of that.

Matt Kiro
Reply to  markl
November 5, 2022 11:03 am

It’s only unreliable because people like Biden keep trying to regulate and tax it out of existence.

Doonman
Reply to  markl
November 5, 2022 7:04 pm

Coal burns nicely and is highly reliable to produce heat which then turns turbines. It is also plentiful. There are many good reasons not to burn coal, but unreliability is not one of them.

MarkW
Reply to  Doonman
November 5, 2022 9:42 pm

I can’t think of any good reasons not to burn coal.

Doonman
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 10:00 am

The big reason is that burning coal releases uranium and thorium particles into the atmosphere. Other reasons include coal mining accidents, transportation accidents and storage accidents.

MarkW
Reply to  Doonman
November 6, 2022 2:05 pm

Particles in the flue gasses can be handled with filtering, which is already being done.
Are you of the opinion that operating oil and gas wells are safe?
There are transportation accidents with oil and gas as well.
Storage accidents? Such as? Regardless, storage accidents also happen with oil and gas.

M.W.Plia
November 5, 2022 10:46 am

Biden is delusional, along with most journalists, politicians, bureaucrats and academics when it comes to understanding climate change (AGW).

The link between climate change and human activity has been and still is advocated as scientific fact, which it is not. An untested hypothesis does not justify action (carbon trade/tax, funding wind/solar power) to combat “man-made” climate change. In comparison to the 4 previous interglacial peaks it is has to be asked why the Holocene (the current interglacial) peak 5,000 years ago was colder.
 
The sun, eccentricity and the planet’s wobbling tilted spin in combination with ocean currents, air mass movement, clouds and albedo are the dominant climate drivers. The atmospheric heat gain from the high-altitude absorption of long-wave IR energy by the anthropogenic CO2 molecule is not in question, the significance is. Is the climate sensitive to the phenomenon, if so, to what degree? There is no experimental support and estimates vary in tenths of degrees.
 
 
Thermal (coal and natural gas), hydro and nuclear power are currently the only means to maintaining base load power to the electrical grid.
 
Coal, as well as being the safest, is affordable, reliable and abundant. The toxic issues of fossil fuel combustion are solvable problems. CO2 is not toxic, it is the life of plants, higher surface CO2 levels increase a plant’s root size and improve its water retention abilities, thus “greening” the planet along with increasing crop yields to feed our super abundant population.
 

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  M.W.Plia
November 6, 2022 7:33 pm

Think you meant the peak 5000 years ago was WARMER.

M.W.Plia
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
November 7, 2022 10:16 am

No, I meant the Holocene peak (5,000 years ago) was colder than the peaks of the 4 previous interglacials. Sorry for the confusion, poor phrasing on my part.

John Bell
November 5, 2022 10:47 am

The image that the Leftists portray, that they are smart enough to realize how to do energy better and save all this money and all these wonderful benefits and save the Earth, etc. In other words they know better how to do big engineering projects have a better way that went unnoticed by the previous idiots, the libs will shine a light where all was dark to others. HA HA HA HA! But then reality kicked in.

MarkW
Reply to  John Bell
November 5, 2022 11:53 am

Leftists are what happens when every kid gets a participation award and failing grades are eliminated.
They actually believe that they are the smartest person in any room and that anyone who fails to give them what they want, is evil.

Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 10:52 am

Biden’s comments contain several clear indicia of at least moderate cognitive impairment. Ben Carson has just pointed out several others in a new interview.
And that is no way to help Fetterman in PA. And he also pissed Manchin off, AFTER Manchin was double crossed by Schumer on permitting reform in return for IRA vote.

David Dibbell
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 11:33 am

I hope Senator Manchin realizes at some point that he allowed himself to be rolled to vote for the IRA. Maybe that will help when an extra vote in the Senate might matter a lot in the near future.

starzmom
Reply to  David Dibbell
November 5, 2022 2:06 pm

Senator Manchin might just consider changing his party affiliation, too. That would just be icing on the cake.

MarkW
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 3:44 pm

From what I’ve read, Manchin’s got a voting record that is quite left wing. About the only thing he is reliable on, is coal. W. Virginia has a lot of coal.
I’d rather replace him with a real Republican in 2 years.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 5:33 pm

Yes, replace Manchin and Sinema. Both of them have voted to enable the radical, destructive socialist agenda of Joe Biden and Company.

Manchin and Sinema are enabling the destruction of the United States with their votes. They are not friends of the American People. They are just as destructive as Nancy Pelosi.

Drake
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 5, 2022 8:18 pm

Ditto!

Drake
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 8:18 pm

NO, don’t let him in the R caucus. He will be out in 2024, do not give him ANYTHING.

roaddog
Reply to  Drake
November 6, 2022 12:57 pm

We absolutely do not want Manchin to switch parties. As long as he remains a Democrat, it will be much easier to replace him with a genuine West Virginia conservative in 2024.

Drake
Reply to  roaddog
November 7, 2022 6:54 pm

Yep.

Chris Morris
November 5, 2022 10:58 am

Wind and solar are cheap but that is only if you use it when it is available. That is only for a short fraction of time. They are unreliable and unpredictable. If you want to use it outside that time, tough luck. Even storing it in batteries costs a fortune for just a small energy capacity.
However, if you want reliable electricity when you want to use it. And the infrastructure to use it like long distance transmission lines are both expensive and need a long time to install. However, if you want electricity to be there when you want to use it (especially after dark in winter), then you need conventional power plant. That reliability is what costs. It isn’t hard to understand but people don’t want to confront that.

Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 11:02 am

Look at his diction. Dementia joe cannot even speak coherently.

Someone needs to build a collection Brandon’s favorite words and expressions. “Literally” “not a joke” etc.

By the way, Massachusetts does not even have a coal-fired power plant, neither operating nor decommissioned!!!

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 11:18 am

Our Liar-in-Chief

MarkW
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 12:14 pm

Bob Kerrey, once referred to Bill Clinton as an exceptionally good liar.

He didn’t say this to criticize Clinton, he saw it as praise.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 4:05 pm

Pflash,
You must be using tricky words because Brayton Massachusetts demolished 2017 fits the description. What am I missing in this contested claim? Geoff S

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
November 6, 2022 11:25 am

Made the mistake of believing Wikipedia. I looked at the list of all coal-fired plants in the U.S., and none are in Massachusetts. Then I looked at the list of all decommissioned coal-fired plants in the U.S., and none were in Massachusetts. Of course, when I looked up Brayton, it said largest in New England, not the U.S., so Brandon was still incorrect.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 6, 2022 11:46 am

By the way, on the Brayton page, it says “one of the largest” in New England. Reviewing the full list across the U.S., Brayton does not even make the top 50.

Editor
November 5, 2022 11:14 am

If renwables are cheaper, why is Biden throwing $400 billion of subsidies at them?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 11:17 am

Good question. You are thinking logically. Biden isn’t thinking at all because he can’t.

Editor
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 12:42 pm

“Biden isn’t thinking at all because he can’t.”

Biden clearly showed that inability to think decades ago when he was questioning Thomas Sowell during a hearing.

Regards,
Bob Tisdale

Rud Istvan
Reply to  That ENSO Guy
November 5, 2022 3:31 pm

It was Clarence Thomas, but yes. Biden never was the sharpest tool in the shed. And now add his demonstrable cognitive impairment.
I know the latter because my significant other has been diagnosed with it, and is slowly progressing. The tells always increase. Simple things like teaspoons put in the tablespoon drawer. Big things like waking up not knowing where you are at first. Anger at goofs. I already took away the car keys. They should take away Biden’s.

starzmom
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 3:57 pm

I am sorry for you. My mother and sister both suffer from some level of dementia–mom is doing much better than sis, though. It is a challenge to deal with them, but at least I do not have to live with either one of them. The glassy eye look is so classic; anybody who has seen it knows.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 4:46 pm

Sorry to hear about your relatives. When they can’t find their way home from the grocery store it’s time for long term care, either live-in or institution. Happened to both my mom and mother-in-law while I was caring for them and it was heart wrenching but knowing it was for the best helped get through it.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 4:42 pm

Both my mother and my mother-in-law had the same thing, RIP. Getting lost in time is another sure tell. Biden has that is spades.

Editor
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 5, 2022 9:20 pm

Rud, I was talking about Biden’s inability to grasp what Thomas Sowell was saying during the confirmation hearing of Robert Bork during a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting. You can find the exchange on YouTube.

Regards,
Bob

Lark
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 4:58 pm

If other people pay for it, it’s free!
/S(ocialism)

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 6, 2022 12:28 pm

Graft. Behind the propaganda it’s all about the graft.

PS – love your stuff.

roaddog
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 6, 2022 1:02 pm

Math is hard. If one is a Democrat, it’s impossible.

John Hultquist
November 5, 2022 11:16 am

 A couple of remarks about the chart at the top:
Coal and nuclear show quite steady output, nuclear especially under adverse weather.
Second, there is no “hydro” in contrast to that on the chart seen here:
https://transmission.bpa.gov/Business/Operations/Wind/baltwg.aspx

… for parts of OR, WA, & Idaho. There, note the thin brown line for “fossil/biomass”. Two dozen small operations convert previously waste into electricity. Solar has not yet made grid-scale impact in this area, although many homes and other places have installed (with subsidies) some.
Water power is the big base load (blue line on the chart) with 42 dams in the 3-state area. Electricity is sent to California via Path 65 – Pacific DC Intertie – a high voltage direct current system that begins at this location:
45.593949, -121.113825

I have refrained from commenting on the President. My dear departed mother would approve of this decision.  

Michael C. Roberts
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 5, 2022 10:29 pm

John, as you know our dear leader of Washington State, Jay ‘I’ll pass a carbon tax on my watch’ Inslee is behind the current push to demolish dams near where you live, equaling about 8% of the states’ hydro electricity production. This insanity at a time when the BPA provides interconnected juice to the electricity-starved communist States to the south, such as California. And don’t get me started on the upcoming carbon (dioxide) cap and trade scheme about to be enacted through the State Department of Ecology come 1 JAN. Jay will finally accomplish what he’s been trying to get done, get that brass ring of a carbon (dioxide) tax passed.

Interesting times, for sure. Got firewood?

Regards,

MCR

roaddog
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 6, 2022 1:03 pm

I take it she encouraged you to not speak ill of the dead.

Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 11:17 am

“I was in Massachusetts about a month ago on the site of the largest old coal plant in America,” Biden said

Massachusetts has neither an operating nor a decommissioned coal-fired power plant! It also has no nuclear.

Maybe Brandon was talking about shut down of off-shore wind projects in Massachusetts:

A wind energy company named Avangrid has been in the process of developing a massive offshore wind farm called the Commonwealth Wind project, working with the support of the state of Massachusetts for several years. When completed, it was to be a 1,200-megawatt energy source. A second offshore project from Mayflower Wind was to produce an additional 400 megawatts. But now, the companies behind both of these projects have asked the state to put the plans on hold. The reason given was that the projects are “no longer viable” under the current conditions and they will be unable to move forward for the time being. But the reason for hitting the brakes has little to do with technology or weather and a great deal to do with the economy. ”

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 11:26 am

It took about 10 minutes of Internet research to learn this. Even the Fox Business reporter was too lazy to check out the truthfulness of Brandon’s claim about Massachusetts.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 6, 2022 7:44 pm

Took me less than two minutes. Guess to be unable to do ACTUAL “fact checks” must require a degree in “journalism” these days…

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 5, 2022 1:14 pm

It was the former Brayton Power plant, in Somerset. They blew up the newly-built cooling towers in 2017. What a shameful waste. Killed by envirofascism and virulent anti-coal politics.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
November 6, 2022 11:28 am

I stand corrected for believing Wikipedia (dumb mistake. Never trust Wiki about anything.) But Brayton was the largest in New England, not the largest in the U.S. so Biden was still lying or misinformed.

Pflashgordon
Reply to  Pflashgordon
November 6, 2022 11:46 am

By the way, on the Brayton page, it says “one of the largest” in New England. Reviewing the full list across the U.S., Brayton does not even make the top 50.

Equality 7-2521
November 5, 2022 11:18 am

Biden and the synchophants in this administration wouldn’t understand the truth if it was written in neon lights on the Mall. Brayton Point was forced out of business by over zealous state and federal regulatory “consent decrees” and the fact that Dominion and Dynegy wanted out of the hell that’s the New England market. Dominion’s Millstone nuke plant would have followed the same path if it weren’t for out of market interventions.

Let’s just call it what it is. Government overreach and the abysmal failure of deregulated markets.

Half the reason electricity prices are skyrocketing is because dictatorial environmental regulations have pushed so much coal capacity out that it’s no longer there to act as an insulator from gas price volatility. The other half is because it’s not the bigger cheaper plants that are chasing the intermittents around, but higher cost, less efficient peakers. California might outlaw internal combustion engines in vehicles, but they sure love ’em for power gen.

Peta of Newark
November 5, 2022 11:19 am

Just as a minor point, it cannot be the same transmission line carrying wind power as it was carrying coal power

Because let’s say the wind has a load factor of 25% so, you need four times the number (nameplate power rating) of windmills for starters.
OK, they’re as cheap as chips so no problemo
When the wind is blowing (at nameplate power) they will all be working full tilt and you will need all that power:
a/ Some to use immediately
b/ Some to put into store somewhere/somehow for when the wind drops

The transmission line will thus be working at 0% for 75% of the time but working at 400% for 25% of the time and needs to be sized/rated for that 400%

There’s your expense, having to build new transmission lines to cope with the peak power output of the windmills and need to be 400% bigger/stronger than they were for the coal fired power which ran at 100% of nameplate for 100% of the time.
(Its the similar calculation that shows how any given power line and without modification can carry twice the DC power than it can of (sinusoidal) AC power.)

Made much worse and as the Germans found, people/houses/cities tend not to be in places where the wind blows strongly so not only do you need fatter power lines but they have to be much longer also.
The North Sea is a very windy place north of Germany and ideal for windfarms but, most German folks live in the big cities in the south of Germany

Note to Joe: Please ‘engage brain’ before coming out with any more of this stuff

John in Oz
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 5, 2022 1:45 pm

Building 4 times as many towers is useless as the 25% capacity factor is due to the wind not blowing all of the time. More towers not working will not help

roaddog
Reply to  John in Oz
November 6, 2022 1:07 pm

The power of zero: an infinite number of wind turbines x zero wind = zero electricity.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  John in Oz
November 6, 2022 7:49 pm

Yes, unfortunately even attempts to show the folly do a woefully incomplete job of displaying how egregious it really is…

“Capacity factors” don’t mean you can divide by that to come up with what’s NEEDED, since it is quite likely they’ll all be standing still at the same time.

100% backup is the ONLY way to prevent blackouts, period.

Chris Morris
Reply to  Peta of Newark
November 5, 2022 3:09 pm

To actually transmit the power DC, you are correct that you need less transmission lines. However, and it is a very big corollary, you need a lot more stuff in the switchyard at each end that costs more money than transmission. You also get more losses in that stuff in the switchyard, the transfomers, recifiers, syncronous condensers, statcons and the like.With DC, it is very hard to have spurs, they have got to be dedicated point to point.
That is why DC is only used for ultra-long distances or undersea cables.

JoeG
Reply to  Chris Morris
November 5, 2022 5:37 pm

No. DC is not used for long distance transmission. That was Edison’s biggest problem- loss of power over any distance.

Ted
Reply to  JoeG
November 5, 2022 7:20 pm

Joe, general transmission of DC is less efficient, but there are bulk power situations where High Voltage DC has less line losses. The problem for Edison is that it’s not as easy or cheap to transform the voltage up and down using DC, so he tried to tram it at low voltage.

MarkW
Reply to  Ted
November 5, 2022 9:49 pm

AC will cause eddy currents in anything nearby that has free electrons in it. These eddy currents result in a loss of energy. The stronger the original magnetic field, the stronger the eddy currents that are being created.

Most long distance transmission lines are HVDC.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 7:26 am

Perhaps I should say loosely bound electrons, rather than free electrons. Also anything with ions, or molecules that are polarized.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  MarkW
November 6, 2022 9:30 am

Most high voltage AC long distance transmission lines are not near anything. They are widely separated from the support infrastructure. This is for safety reasons if nothing else. Thus they don’t lose much energy due to eddy currents caused by the transmission lines themselves.

MarkW
Reply to  Tim Gorman
November 6, 2022 9:59 am

They are near the pylons, if the air gets foggy, they are near lots of water.

Editor
November 5, 2022 11:19 am

One of these “all so cheap” wind farms due to be built off Massachsetts has already been shelved as unviable:

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/11/02/massachusetts-offshore-wind-project-no-longer-viable/

And that is despite the subsidies being thrown at it

MarkW
Reply to  Paul Homewood
November 5, 2022 3:12 pm

I’m not sure it’s shelved just yet. The developer is still lobbying for more subsidies.

Joseph Zorzin
November 5, 2022 11:26 am

““I was in Massachusetts about a month ago on the site of the largest old coal plant in America,” Biden said at an event in Carlsbad, California, on Friday. “Guess what? It cost them too much money.”

Massachusetts massively over regulates EVERYTHING which drives up costs- along with very high taxes.

Stephen Skinner
November 5, 2022 11:29 am

Here is a story and a comparison between wind mills and coal fired steam engines:

The Museum De Cruquius (or Cruquiusmuseum) occupies the old Cruquius steam pumping station in Cruquius, the Netherlands. It derives its name from Nicolaas Kruik (1678–1754), a Dutch land-surveyor and one of many promoters of a plan to pump the Haarlemmermeer (Haarlem lake) dry. Like many well-educated men of his time, he latinized his name to Nicolaus Samuel Cruquius. During his lifetime the issue of the Haarlem Lake and how to pump it dry was international news, as the following excerpt from the Virginia Gazette on 31 May 1751 illustrates:

“By a private letter from Rotterdam, we are told, that the Dutch Engineers, in their Plan for draining the lake of Haerlem, proposed to employ 150 (wind) mills for three Years, and had computed the Expence at a Million and Half of Florins, but that a German, who had been long employed in the Mines of Hungary and Hartz, had proposed to drain it with 50 machines, in 15 months, at a far less Expence; and that he has been ordered to erect one of those Machines, which, if it shall be found to execute what he has asserted, his Proposal will be immediately accepted.”

Even 50 machines proved too expensive, so it was not until successful experiments with steam pumping stations, such as at nearby Groenendaal park in 1781, that serious plans resulted in three steam-driven pumping stations, including the one at Cruquius. As a tribute to former planners, the pumping stations of the Haarlemmermeer were named after them. The one at the mouth of the Spaarne river, near Heemstede, was called Cruquius. To service the mill, the workers who lived there founded the town of the same name. The dike was built in the 1840s, the pump started work in 1850 and in the three years that had been predicted a century before, the Haarlem lake was pumped dry. The pumping station Cruquius continued to work on and off until 1933, when it was made into a museum. The foreman’s house was made into a café which it still is today.

The steam engine is thought to be the largest – and certainly the largest beam engine – ever built. The engine was built by Harvey & Co, of Hayle, Cornwall. The diameter of the piston is 144 inches (3.7 m).

starzmom
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
November 5, 2022 2:13 pm

I think there was an article about this pumping facility on this web site a few years ago. As I recall, the polder formed in the dry lakebed is now Schipol Airport.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 3:00 pm

Ah yes. Schiphol airport is also 300cm below sea level and sea levels are projected to rise by 3cm to 4cm by 2030, so I would say that Holland is in grave danger? Although judging by their current government’s antics they will be, for all the wrong reasons.

old mike
November 5, 2022 11:36 am

“The stupid it burns”. He’s just following XI’s dictatorial instructions. I can’t wait to see Biden and his whole corrupt cabal charged with sedition, treason and human trafficking. It’s coming.

HotScot
November 5, 2022 11:36 am

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David Dibbell
November 5, 2022 11:39 am

 “…tax credits to help families buy energy efficient appliances, whether it’s your refrigerator or your coffee maker,…” (emphasis mine)

LOL. I gotta admit, I had not thought about the efficiency of my coffee maker, with a duty cycle of no more than a FEW MINUTES PER DAY. The obvious absurdity is completely lost on him.

It doesnot add up
Reply to  David Dibbell
November 5, 2022 1:12 pm

For me the key parameter of a coffee maker is does it make good coffee? Not weak and watery, not suffused with grounds, not stewed and bitter, but full of fresh coffee aroma and flavour, and hot without burning you when you take a sip.

Drake
Reply to  It doesnot add up
November 5, 2022 8:31 pm

Not asking for much, are you?

BUT, they make just what you want, and you can buy one for 30 bucks, or you could before Brandon and the Dems kick started inflation.

roaddog
Reply to  It doesnot add up
November 6, 2022 1:11 pm

Next you’ll tell us that the point of power plants is the cost-effective generation of electricity.

roaddog
Reply to  David Dibbell
November 6, 2022 1:09 pm

I don’t know why it hasn’t happened yet, but surely we will all soon be encouraged to convert to drinking Green tea.

Bruce Cobb
November 5, 2022 11:48 am

For 8 years, Obama and his henchmen kicked the snot out of the coal industry. Yes, NG added insult to injury. So it is an outrageous lie to now claim that coal is now “too expensive and unreliable”. If given a level playing field, coal would certainly be able to compete with NG, besides running rings around so-called “renewables”.

Drake
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
November 5, 2022 8:34 pm

And you can pile up a year of more worth of reserve in a very small space, as compared to solar or wind generation, which you can’t pile up reserves of, no matter how much space you have.

Gary Pate
November 5, 2022 12:10 pm

How is wind “generated”?

Eng_Ian
Reply to  Gary Pate
November 5, 2022 1:36 pm

With cabbage and sprouts.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Eng_Ian
November 5, 2022 1:56 pm

I don’t care what anyone thinks, but that’s funny!

Drake
Reply to  John Hultquist
November 5, 2022 8:40 pm

ResourceGuy
November 5, 2022 12:25 pm

So, did news organizations forget how to read simple data or have they resorted to advocacy defense?

starzmom
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 5, 2022 2:15 pm

Journalism majors no longer have to take basic science courses.

Doonman
Reply to  starzmom
November 5, 2022 7:24 pm

My Father was a journalism professor. Each semester at the start of classes, He would write a big fake integral equation on the chalkboard and label it “The Journalist’s Formula”. He said it weeded out those immediately who only took journalism to avoid studying. He was opposed to teaching students who wanted to avoid doing any coursework.

MarkW
Reply to  Doonman
November 5, 2022 9:52 pm

These days he would be fired for making his students work too hard.

Gilbert K. Arnold
November 5, 2022 12:25 pm

Unless they are totally delusional or completely out of touch with reality…(sigh)

dilbertwyoming
November 5, 2022 12:28 pm

Can’t fix stupid

Rud Istvan
Reply to  dilbertwyoming
November 5, 2022 12:48 pm

Duct tape cannot fix stupid. But slap it over the stupid’s mouth and it can muffle the sound.

Mike Lowe
November 5, 2022 12:43 pm

The final sign of Biden’s dementia! Doesn’t he understand the meaning of the word “unreliable”?

November 5, 2022 12:43 pm

Pure stupidity since it becomes harder to keep transmission stable when there are fewer 24/7 baseload support left to keep it that way..

Diogenese
November 5, 2022 1:03 pm

Start with Washington , disconnect all coal fired plants from the Washington area grid .

mark
November 5, 2022 1:08 pm

ROFLMAO

Johne Morton
November 5, 2022 1:27 pm

Who needs coal or heating oil, anyway?

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Reply to  Johne Morton
November 5, 2022 1:46 pm

Someone needs to tell Guttierez [sp] about that Dangerous Heating {TM} in Alaska; looks like no icicles this week!The horror!
But if we – us plebs n deplorables – all give up our cars and trucks, and meat, and travel, and heating …….

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John Hultquist
Reply to  Johne Morton
November 5, 2022 1:58 pm

Time for the “climate refugees” to head to Arizona and Florida for 4 months.

a happy little debunker
November 5, 2022 1:38 pm

246 people died as a direct result of the Texas Ice storm – with 2/3rds dying of hypothermia.

This winter a shocking number of deaths will be recorded in the UK and the EU as a result of Energy policies.

Wholesale and deliberate murder…

At what point do we start appointing Nuremburg style proceedings against these “policy makers”?

John V. Wright
November 5, 2022 2:00 pm

“No one is building new coal plants because they can’t rely on it.”

China has 1,110 coal-fired power stations and is building 240 more – this year. So he is not just wrong about that statement…he is catastrophically wrong.

MarkW
Reply to  John V. Wright
November 5, 2022 3:15 pm

Coal is unreliable. You never know when some idiot regulator will order it shut down and demolished.

shoehorn
November 5, 2022 2:09 pm

“So it’s going to become a wind generation. And all they’re doing is it’s going to save them a hell of a lot of money and using the same transmission line that they transmitted the coal-fired electric on,”
Brilliant! So why is the Australian govt. planning to replace transmission wires at considerable cost to working taxpayers?

MarkW
November 5, 2022 2:54 pm

Today, Biden, in a campaign speech, referred to protesters outside the auditorium, as idiots.
The Democrats in the audience, who a few years ago had been whining over and over again about mean tweets, cheered.

Once again, Democrats demonstrate that the only standards they have, are double standards.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  MarkW
November 5, 2022 10:38 pm

But they wouldn’t have any standards if they didn’t have double standards.

Bri
November 5, 2022 3:27 pm

Biden’s puppetmasters want us to spend 1000/mo on power like Europe. Part of the big reset. They must be stopped.

Rod Evans
November 5, 2022 3:38 pm

He’s completely ga-ga isn’t he? The most frightening aspect of his clearly incompetent state is the VP shares his subnormal mental capacity.
We need these misterms to happen and change the dynamics of the political scene in the USA.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rod Evans
November 5, 2022 5:53 pm

I think in January, Republicans should impeach both Biden and Harris for gross dereliction of duty, and remove them from Office. They should do a two-fer.

Then the Republican Speaker of the House will become president.

And it wouldn’t hurt my feelings if Republican representatives in the U.S. House elected Donald Trump as Speaker of the House in January.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 6, 2022 9:32 am

Preach it, brother!

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 6, 2022 10:00 am

With less than 2 years left in Biden’s term in office, Trump would still be able to run for president in 2024.

Editor
November 5, 2022 3:46 pm

The answer is incredibly simple: end all fuel subsidies and open the energy market to all comers. Renewables are SO much cheaper now that they will easily wipe out coal and gas using just normal market forces. Bring it on. Now. I want to watch it all happening …

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Mike Jonas
November 7, 2022 4:45 am

That’s not enough. You also have to end all MANDATES that “renewable” energy be used preferentially, and eliminate TAX CREDITS that can be sold or used by other businesses that actually produce something useful. AND, as part of the removal of “subsidies,” all “renewable” energy prices should be REQUIRED TO INCLUDE ALL ADDITIONAL COSTS of 100% backup, plus all required additional equipment including the extra transmission lines, etc.

THEN I’d LOVE to see it unfold.

Mike Maguire
November 5, 2022 4:40 pm

Biden’s agenda to create Energy INsecurity in the United States:

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/89811/#89926

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_coal_reserves

World coal reserves
United States 24%
Russia 15%
Austria 14%
China 13%
India 10%
Indonesia 4%
Germany 3%
Ukraine 3%
Poland 3%
Kazakhstan 2%
Turkey 1%
South Africa 1%

Mike Maguire