Essay by Eric Worrall
The British people have finally had enough, after attempts by the MET to link the heatwave to climate change triggered an unprecedented social media backlash.
Weather forecasters faced accusations of LYING and scaremongering during this month’s extreme heatwave as leading meteorologists condemn unprecedented levels of trolling in hundreds of abusive tweets and emails
- The Met Office’s lead meteorologist asked for ‘a bit of respect’ for his colleagues
- It comes after reports linking the heatwave to climate change riled up viewers
- Climate change made the unprecedented temperatures ‘ten times more likely’
- Online abusers even accused TV meteorologists of lying and being blackmailed
PUBLISHED: 22:20 AEST, 29 July 2022 | UPDATED: 01:18 AEST, 30 July 2022
Weather forecasters have been the target of ‘unprecedented levels of trolling’ this month, as keyboard warriors took to social media to accuse TV meteorologists of spreading hysteria during the heatwave.
The BBC‘s weather team said they were inundated with comments on social media telling them to ‘get a grip’, while others questioned the accuracy of their reports as the nation sweltered in heat that got as high as 40C.
Social media trolls seemed whipped up by reports linking the heatwave with secular trends caused by climate change, according to the Royal Meteorological Society who said their forecasters were also targeted along with forecasters from the Met Office.
…
According to the Met Office, climate change made the heatwave ten times more likely – although it is not possible to conclude causation definitively.
BBC meteorologist Matt Taylor said he had found the amount of online abuse levelled at him this month ‘depressing’.
He said: ‘Ít’s a more abusive tone than I’ve ever received.
‘I switched off a bit from it all as it became too depressing to read some of the responses.’
The Royal Meteorological Society also weighed in on the pushback received by their members during the heatwave.
The society’s chief executive Professor Liz Bentley said members had faced ‘public ridicule, accusations of lying or suggestions of being blackmailed’.
…
WUWT does not condone physical threats or violence. But I understand the anger. Britain faces a horror winter of spiralling price rises and shortages, in my opinion largely a consequence of a long term MET office and BBC climate scare campaign which undermined mainstream political support for reliable energy.
My question, what are the people hurling abuse and threats expecting to achieve?
Before I read Climategate I thought alarmists were all scientific frauds, but after I read Climategate I realised there is a range of motivations. Many if not all of them actually believe. Even when they hide declines or try to have open minded science journal editors fired, or manipulate data from New Zealand which strongly suggests the MWP was global, they think they are being the good guys. So there is no point threatening or hurling abuse. People who believe they are the good guys put up with abuse, because they believe their mission to help others is more important than their personal comfort.
So how do we fix the unaffordable green energy mess the MET and BBC have helped create?
The best course in my opinion is to find and vote for politicians whose priority is fixing today’s problems, rather than politicians whose obsession is what the weather will be like after we are all dead. Even if this means voting for minority party candidates.
Please don’t fall for the political canvasser canard that a minority candidate vote in Britain’s first past the post system is a wasted vote. Politicians watch minority votes like hawks, minority candidate support is their weather vane for what their voters really want.
So long as mainstream political canvassers can cajole you into voting mainstream, they don’t care if you have a few gripes. But a large breakout in favour of climate skeptic candidates would be a real shock to the political system.
Just look at Brexit. Nigel Farage‘s UKIP never achieved sizeable representation in Westminster Parliament. But they came close to a breakthrough. The threat of a voter support breakthrough was enough to persuade then Prime Minister David Cameron to hold the Brexit referendum, which Cameron thought would put the issue to bed. Cameron misjudged and lost.
If nobody had voted for UKIP, even though they knew their candidate was unlikely to win, in my opinion there would have been no Brexit referendum.
The same political formula could work for fixing Britain’s broken, overpriced energy system. If enough British people vote for politicians whose focus is today’s problems, even if those candidates don’t win, politicians will be panicked into responding. It will no longer matter what MET and BBC climate scaremongers believe or say, if they lose their position of influence.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C.S. Lewis.
Discover more from Watts Up With That?
Subscribe to get the latest posts sent to your email.
People pointing out MET office errors and posting graphs and data is trolling, according to the MET. In their world, anybody questioning the green religion is an apostate.
Anything critical is trolling, they claim.
Religious fanatics don’t like their religion questioned.
They’ve been creating an unholy stink about Climate for all that long and eventually, Ma Nature presents them with a reasonably formed turd
1 day of hot weather and another day fairly warm.
So off they go like a little child who finally learns how to use a proper toilet..
Mummy mummy mummy, look what I just did- aren’t I clever Mummy. Mummy, tell me I’m clever.
It went wrong didn’t it, Mummy said it was a really crap little turd.
The kiddie misunderstood.
Yet all they do and have done for over 30 years now, is criticise criticise criticise.
They’ve relentlessly criticised lifestyles, consumption, food choices, cars, holidays, going out, staying in, whether your house has insulation, what sort of fuel it uses, keeping warm, keeping cool etc etc
Everything is wrong in these people’s books.
Then when they are criticised, they become that small child, ever so proud of its turd but nobody cares, they’ve waited too long.
Just switch the whole caboodle off.
Just. Say. No.
As the T-shirts used to say…..
What if they gave a war and nobody came?
Show me a candidate who’s not spouting off about CAGW and I’ll vote for them (probably).
Steve Baker MP (Trustee of the GWPF), Suella Braverman MP (Attorney General) and Kemi Badenoch MP.
All have spoken out against NetZero.
Don’t watch who the next PM is, watch the Cabinet choices. Baker, Braverman and Badenoch may well be included and if they are you know which direction the wind is blowing.
Speaking out against NetZero is a little bit ambiguous to me. What exactly does this entail? Are they against installing more windmills and solar? Do they believe CAGW is real?
Absolutely. If the basis of speaking out against net zero is simply the intended timetable, then they aren’t really much different from the net zero zealots.
We have to start by persuading people that there is a need to keep what little coal capacity remains; to ensure that we have sufficient CCGT capacity to keep the lights on without having to beg for interconnector supplies; to promote oil and gas production at home and abroad as the only way to really solve the supply crisis. Even Mark Carney was persuaded to admit that keeping running coal now is not in conflict with net zero by 2050. We have to explain that renewables do not form a workable basis for ever larger amounts of supply, and that storage is too expensive and impractical to solve the problem.
These things can be demonstrated in a way that is not subject to the kind of equivocation in climate models.
I fear you can explain until the cows come home and your explanations will fall on deaf ears because CAGW is not a science but a religion and belief and feelings rule the debate, not facts and science. CO2 to them is the same as Demon Rum was to the Prohibitionists who got the 18th Amendment to the US Constitution passed way back in 1919 for which the Mafia is still thanking them to this day. That insanity persisted until 1933 when it was repealed by the 21st Amendment.
CAGW already has lasted far longer than Prohibition.
“As a scientific theory, man made climate change due to atmospheric carbon dioxide levels has as many loopholes as a rodeo, and is about as accurate as astrology. It has succeeded in the marketplace of ideas only because it makes such a compelling story, a new age replacement for Christianity that puts Mother Nature on the cross instead of Jesus. Can you imagine Albert Einstein branding anyone who does not believe in his theories “traitors,” “heretics,” and “deniers”? If we don’t do what the priests of climate change say, we will all burn in the hell of global warming. A hysterical witch hunt against carbon dioxide, which all living things are made of, will harm humanity rather than save it. Green scams are now an enormous trillion dollar business worldwide, thriving on an idea that is contradicted by the provable facts.”
CAGW science is, perhaps, even less accurate than Astrology as Astrology has a 50/50 chance of being right while CAGW is never correct.
@KcTaz
Your comment rings so true – every sentence.
I’ve been aware of the lies, based on zero evidence, since 2005. You sum them up brilliantly. Thank you.
The point is to halt the bad designs for our energy systems. They can come to their senses (or go to their graves having failed to do so) over climate projections later.
There may be an issue there. Don’t know whether you’ve seen it but the 1922 commitee have received a 15,000 strong petition from Tory members calling for a change in the rules on party leadership elections. I believe the High Court may be looking at it to see if it has legal standing during the current leadership election but it could be extremely interesting. If it’s allowed to go ahead, it’ll suspend the leadership election and members will vote in a referendum to see if they want to put Boris Johnson back on the ballot, which may (possibly) have a knock-on effect for all the candidates – if BoJo is back in the running, all candidates may have to be reinstated. If that’s then the case, the membership, not the MP’s, will have full control of the election and choose from the full list of candidates, including BoJo. Good game, good game!
Richard,
OK, that does it!
I now accept I will never understand the parliamentary system of governments. I think I’m just going to stop trying to figure it out.
It’s not really the parliamentary system, it’s the party system. Every party has rules governing the election of leaders and it see-saws between the party membership and the MP’s as to who gets control of the voting system. Some years ago the Tory membership had total control of which MP became leader, then the system was changed to allow MP’s to decide a shortlist that the membership would vote on. Now the members want to change the rules back to the way they were and the High Court has to decide if it’s legal to do that right in the middle of a leadership contest. If it’s any consolation, I had to read around until I understood what’s going on (still not sure 100% but there ya go!). Politics does get weird at times.
This is a reply to Eric Worrall.
I agree with you 100% that we should be encouraging the forming of political parties that tell the truth about global warming and put the wellfare of there fellow country men (and woman ) ahead of stuffing up their countries in the vain hope of stopping the climate from changing .
As you said they may not get enough votes to form a government but a lot of votes for a climate realism party will be taken notice of .
Mankind can not control the climate but they have modified it a little with the UHI effect .
There are scientists that are predicting doom if we don’t cut back on energy use .
BUT we also have scientists that tell the truth that there is no climate crisis .
There never will be a climate crisis .
There is an emerging climate crisis, global cooling is imminent and the Europeans are unprepared.
La Nina conditions in the Pacific and a very negative North Atlantic Oscillation should do the trick.
That’s called weather
A number of MPs here:
https://www.desmog.com/net-zero-scrutiny-group/
“great minds in climate science” ROFLMAO!!!
They’ve noticed the increase in “abusive” comments when they shoe-horn in climate change. Shouldn’t that be a sign to them that people are fed up with the CAGW rubbish?
As you said – “they believe”
That is dogma not science.
It’s worse than that, it’s a cult. Think Jonestown but on a global scale. How you get people out of the climate cult I have no idea, but putting the facts that we don’t have a climate crisis only seems to trigger them to make more and more crazy claims that the planet is going to burn in the next 8 years. How does this end?
The Jonestown cult ending was group suicide by poison. That’s the same ending the CAGW cult is headed for – mass death using starvation and cold instead of poisoning.
But not aimed at the true believers so much.
Tim, there is a difference between the Jonestown cult’s end and the end the CAGW cult envision. That mass suicide only affected the True Believers. What the CAGW cult demands is the death of most of humanity to include the non-believers. Contrary to Jonestown, they envision their survival while rooting for the rest of us to die!
Coldly
“only seems to trigger them to make more and more crazy claims that the planet is going to burn in the next 8 years. How does this end?”
In about eight years, I would say. One way or another. 🙂
I think eight years from now will be pretty much like today and like eight years ago and like 80 years ago.
Eight years from now the alarmists will be seeing a lot more “trolling” as their dire predictions turn out to amount to nothing unusual. Just like this latest heatwave they hyped turned out to be a two-day not much. No wonder people are laughing and pointing at the Met Office.
You mean the same met office that predicted BBQ summers that were washouts and managed to get predictions of summer weather 100% wrong 4 years out of 4.
If that happened for 2 yrs in my business the guys who were responsible would be out the door within 48hrs, never to find employment again.
WTFexception do the Met office claim to have for constant failure?
Tax payer’s money??
Subsidy?
Reward for failure?
reward for keeping up pretenses..
I think it’s hilarious. They been bakin’ this cake for far too many years & it’s way overdone, all their doomday forecasts have bit the dust & now that people ain’t buyin’ their bullshit & are makin’ fun of them they’re cryin’ the blues & asking everyone to back off & give them some slack, Why ?…. so that they can continue on with more global warming tripe, so that they can beat us over the head with an ugly stick & so they can tell us what to do,how to do it,when to do it while they themselves never do anything they preach… eff that !
I for one hope to see more of the calling out of the liars & the would be ‘experts’ who are liars also. Way past time to start telling the truth & I’m sure that once they start doing exactly that the people will back off without them acting like a bunch of whining babies.
We may find out this winter in Germany. Old people and children freezing to death in large enough numbers might cause at least a pause in the ruinous rush to unreliable energy sources.
The Dogma will get hit by a Karma.
Did you see this?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/28/centre-right-climate-party-ed-gemmell-launches-oust-tory-mps-opposing-climate-action
That will be a good way to sort out who is for climate action (self-destructive stupidty) and who is against self-destructive stupidity (climate action).
Smart people will vote for those against climate action because there is no climate crisis and the climate doesn’t need fixing by bungling uninformed/misinformed/conniving bureaucrats who will only make things much worse for the people because of their distorted view of reality. Don’t vote for fools like this. Don’t put them in charge of your life. They can’t handle the job because they are delusional and are wandering around in a false reality.
A major part of the population never hears anything except ‘climate crisis’ and do not have the time, energy, or reason to question that might lead them to other information. It doesn’t matter how ‘smart’ they are, they can only act on what they know, regardless of whether or not what they know is true or correct. That’s how propaganda works so well.
I wonder how many elections we’ve had since someone first claimed we only have 10 years to save the planet
There was a UN announcement to that effect around 1988.
Yes, there was and here it is.
It will be a bumpy ride. It’s extremely tough for an emerging party to break into the current system. Look for many of them to lose their deposits.
Twice in one day.
We are doomed, I say!!!!
How can this be countered?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/30/total-climate-meltdown-inevitable-heatwaves-global-catastrophe
The more ways the pro green agenda vote splits the better. What it would do is force the hand of those with common sense to show their flag elsewhere, and give the public a real choice. it could be a fantastic catalyst for that. We already saw what could happen with TBP knocking the established parties for six (out of the ballpark for our American friends). At one point polling implied they could win a landslide of over 400 seats, crushing the other parties into rumps.
Meanwhile, I have been thinking about the arguments about how to win elections in the modern world. The conventional idea is that elections are won by grabbing marginal voters in the “centre” of politics. But that is no longer true when you have large numbers who are choosing to abstain because they feel completely unrepresented by this so-called centre. We saw it in France, where the vote for Macron was very low, and the subsequent vote for the Assemblée kicked his alliance out with a split to either side. The trick becomes representing those who have become excluded – but without lurching to extremism. It’s a balancing act that le Pen didn’t pull off, and is more difficult if you start from an extremist reputation. It is, if you like, why Trump won.
““We’ve got one election left to save the planet,” he said.”
At least that’s a bit creative and different way of saying 8 years, 10 years, 9 months, 2050 etc. left to save the planet. I’ll give them an A for creativity but an F for reality.
This quote may be even better.
“…Rather than allowing the left a monopoly on such policies, Gemmell says these are smart, pro-business ideas that will give the UK economy a competitive advantage as the whole world increasingly turns its attention to decarbonising and the energy transition. He says the policies are not nearly as radical as the Tory government would have voters believe, claiming one-third of British councils are already committed to carbon zero by 2030.”
The whole world? Yeah, except for the biggest emitter on the entire planet, China, of not only CO2 but real pollutants about whom the CAGW crowd say nary a word. They don’t DARE!
I do enjoy them saying this, however. Now, when they kill business, the economy and people with their loony ideas, the people will know which conservatives to go after with tar and feather along with the ones on the Left!
Sorry, I think tar and feathers are an American invention for dealing with crooked politicians, isn’t it? You Brits have other historical methods to use as needed, I’m sure, if you’re not familiar with that one.
drawing and quatering,beheading & of course the noose, come to mind
Those should work quite nicely as, I presume, they have in the past.
Best we sceptics don’t go the way of X rebellion etc.
Don’t alienate potential support. Keep it rational and be polite.
Yea that work real well, if works so well why does the left not use it?
I suspect that when Brits (and the rest of us) are either freezing or sweltering in their homes and starving, if the WEF/NWO folks have their way, skeptics may well abandon rationality and politeness and I do not blame them one bit. In fact, if what these psychopathic, powerful leaders have their way, it will come to that and, when it does, the rational acts will be the X rebellion way but on a far larger scale.
The BBC can’t even be truthful about this
Abuse? They haven’t produced any evidence of abuse…
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/07/29/bbc-weather-forecasters-dont-like-the-truth/
Indeed, their definition of abuse seems to be any comment challenging their laughable saturation climate propaganda obsession with a bit of frustration and sarcasm.
Leftists have always defined anything they disagree with as hate speech.
Disagreeing or proving their claims to be BS is “abuse” in their eyes.
Facts are racist, don’t you know?
Contradicting their holy mission is currently abuse – I don’t intend to wait for it to become sacrilege or heresy!
I do believe you’re too late for that, Richard. We’re already there. I’m just waiting for the burning of witches at the stake. So far, it’s been (mostly) rhetorical sgainst “Deniers” but that could soon change.
The Heatwave Green Hysteria is Out of Control
https://bit.ly/3OoQkv8
JULY 18, 2022
…As the German historian Wolfgang Behringer has documented, in the 14th and 15th centuries ‘unnatural climatic phenomena’ were often blamed on ‘a great conspiracy of witches’. During the Little Ice Age in particular, when crops failed in many parts of Europe, there was a frenzy of witch-hunting. Some in society ‘held the witches directly responsible for the high frequency of climatic anomalies’. Sound familiar? I definitely hear echoes of that old, regressive belief that sinister people are responsible for weird weather in today’s attempt to pin heatwaves on the rich or on coal-mining or on motorists. Environmentalism has rehabilitated in pseudo-scientific form the age-old instinct to find the witch or the sinner who is to blame for society’s misfortunes. Everyone needs to calm down. We’re safer from weather than we have ever been. It’s sunny. Go outside. Sit in the shade. Have an ice-cream.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-heatwave-green-hysteria-is-out-of-control
“…This brings to mind the Salem Witch trials of 1692, presided over by Harvard-educated judges, the best and the brightest Massachusetts had to offer. When the monstrous hangings of innocent people finally stopped, it was not because the elite admitted there was no such thing as witches. Who would need Harvard-educated ministers if witches did not exist? The trials were stopped for a technicality: the use of “spectral evidence.” If an accuser with good political connections dreamed that the alleged witch consorted with the Devil, that was enough to hang her.
I suspect that the more perceptive of the Massachusetts elite realized that the continued use of made-up evidence could soon get out of hand and they themselves could be victims. French revolutionaries guillotined each other a century later. Some of Stalin’s main targets in the great terror of 1937 were his old Bolshevik comrades in arms, who received death sentences based on the equivalent of spectral evidence: wild, fabricated charges of collaboration with the Nazis, etc.
”
“It saddens me to see that the party of my youth, the Democrats, have embraced global warming as fervently as Massachusetts Puritans embraced the belief in witches.”
Dr. William Happer
FOCUSED CIVIL DIALOGUE ON GLOBAL WARMING
William Happer
http://bit.ly/2nGA8zc
Their plus 30degree Celsius days lasted for all of three days (17 to 19 July), does that qualify as a Heat Wave?
Only if you refuse to remove your waistcoat 😉
Whalebone corsets seem to exacerbate discomfort in hot weather, too.
Yes, that’s why Southern Bells were noted for their frequent fainting and fainting couches were invented. Between the heavy clothes and the corsets, fainting spells were the expected and inevitable result. I am so glad I didn’t live in those times.
To answer your question, NO. 5 or more days, so they are lying every time they mention “heat wave” in speaking of their being trolled. In other words, trolling about being trolled.
Yes, from the Heatwave Plan describing the Heat Crisis Emergency turned up to 11, in my area (SW) the definition has become a day over 30°, followed by a night of 15° and the following day over 30°.
the fires were a result of DEW from space directed energy weapon, quite deliberate . The trees were all unaffected. directed energy weapons were used in America to cause the same problem, trees untouched. The houses were targeted vertically. This is all to promote the need for NWO. Dont be fooled by these globalist rabble.
Um, no…
What a strange thing to say.
Why didn’t they aim at a major centre of population? Take out Manhattan and have a real impact?
It’s not only irrational, it’s implausible.
Well, I am unlucky enough to have a near relative who thinks that the Americans are training beam weapons on her to reduce her brainpower. If you send me your phone number, I’ll let her know so that you can get together and start a new cult.
Have you stopped taking your medication, Terri?
Hmph. Actually it may well have been untended barbecues. Brits have an odd tendency on warm, rain-free days to go into the garden, light a fire and burn sausages, kebabs, chicken etc. with the possible intention of contracting food poisoning from undercooked meat! Some of the fire officers from areas affected by the wildfires over the warm few days have severely criticised people for their barbecues and requested that they manage them properly.
Maybe the Brits need to study Arizona. We normally have couple of months where outdoor charcoal barbecuing and all fires are prohibits due to dry conditions. After we moved here, I got my husband a gas-fired barbecue or, otherwise, he’d never be able to cook outside for most of the summer!
Honestly we rarely get more than a couple of days each year where it’s nice and warm with no rain – a barbecue ban law might be a bit of a waste!
Do they accept target request?
Where do I send my list? 😎
I had to look this up. Seems like a 1950s science fiction short story.
It is not April 1st, is it?
Lies it was all me in my attempt to invade the UK … like an episode of Pinky and the Brain I was so close just wait until next week 🙂
Looks like Dr. Evil has found this blog.
I really don’t think that it is going to be much different here in the states.
I mean check this out:
New Mexico And Las Vegas Declare Emergency, With Less Than 50 Days Of Clean Water Supply Left, While Casinos Get Flooded – winepressnews.com
And this:
https://youtu.be/Algvl_py4OQ
One of the videos circulating is of flood water running thru the LINQ parking garage. Many years ago I was in that same parking garage (it was the Imperial Palace Casino parking garage then) and saw it flooded in exactly the same way so this is nothing new for Las Vegas.
My understanding is they designed the Imperial Palace parking lot to allow flood waters through because these floods happen every few years.
We have many catchment basins spread out in the Las Vegas “valley.” Some days they are overwhelmed. Nature is a bitch.
That is exactly the way I remember the design of that parking garage.
Yes, very typical for Vegas. Seen it myself. The current flood was caused by a massive rainfall of .34″.
That is official at the Airport.
Several areas got over 1 inch in a very short time. My back yard in the east central area of the valley, where some of the highest rain totals were recorded, had standing water over the entire yard. By the morning it was gone, sunk into the dry ground.
Then the next afternoon, the same thing. Standing water in the evening, wet but no standing by the morning.
I wish I had planted the clover/grass mixed yard area I am planning, but I didn’t because by the time I was ready we were already having triple digit (F) temperatures.
The area is small, about 500 sq. ft., and will help provide respite from the heat in the afternoon/evening when BBQing, etc.
We may have been there at the same time! I forget which casino’s parking spot we were in but we got caught in a flood. It was awhile back but it wasn’t the only time. Flash floods are usual, customary and normal in the Southwest. So is complaining about it not raining and complaining about flash floods when it does rain. It’s human nature, apparently.
The linked article is confusing Las Vegas NM with Las Vegas NV, combining reporting of a flood in Nevada that effected Las Vagas, with a fire in New Mexico that effected the water supply to Las Vegas NM. These are unrelated events in areas hundreds of miles apart.
I don’t think they confused them. They mention them both, clearly differentiated by using the LV NM mayor by name, and later mentioning the flooding in LV NV. LV NV has stopped lawn watering, and the local flooding didn’t really help relieve the water shortage. Lake Mead is drying up, and LV NV relies on that for a major part of its water supply.
But vast areas of NM are getting pummeled with rains and have been for days. So how are they short of drinking water? As Tony has pointed out the head waters of the Rio Grande are inundated. Some places setting now records.
First link mentions energy shortage “if not enough water flows through the dam.
Hoover dam generated electricity is used primarily for load balancing, as all hydro is very god for that, and also primarily goes to California.
SO I personally wouldn’t mind the dam not generating power for LA. Let them eat cake.
You only have to read the examples of ‘abusive’ tweets which the BBC have published to see that they are nothing of the kind. All the tweets I’ve read simply contain reasonable criticism which they are now weaponising by defining it as ‘abusive’. The Daily Mail quoted a ‘Met office source’ who allegedly told them that thousands are going to die prior to the heatwave of a few days ago. I e mailed the Met and asked them to confirm this quote and requested the identity of the person who provided it. I have yet to receive a reply. I have no doubt I will have been labelled an abusive stalker for having the temerity of holding them to account.
It was John Hammond, see my post below.
Thought he was off digging up amber? I’ll get me coat!
Arne, you should have asked for a list of the names of the thousands who died in the heat wave so the UK could have a proper National Day of Mourning and memorial service. The names could be read to remember the dead, much as the US does for those who died in the attack on the Twin Towers.
–
What’s that they say? There is no list of thousands who died in the ‘heat wave’? Thousands actually did not die in the heat wave?
–
Well, then…
I know WUWT doesn’t condone violence, but perhaps some nuns with rulers could stop by the Met and vigorously rap their knuckles.
13 people died in the 22 UK “heatwave”
700 people died in the 76 UK heatwave
How many are going to die because they won’t be able to keep warm during the imminent cold winter?
Many, many, many more
looking at the DM , anytime climate crud gets a run the realists are now waaaay more than the truebelievers by about 50 or more to 1, it was’nt always like that . quite cheering actually
same thing in advertiser in aus climate scare items do NOT get a huge support anymore though the odds are less here
“Just look at Brexit. Nigel Farage‘s UKIP never achieved sizeable representation in Westminster Parliament. But they came close to a breakthrough.”
True – but where is a candidate with the sort of charisma and dedication to a single topic that Nigel had?
Voting for any independent Tom, Dick or Harry is not likely to gain anything – I know, I have been voting that way for years. Only UKIP managed the trick, and it collapsed as soon as Farage left.
I like Farage, I once had the privilege of speaking one on one with him for 15 minutes at a book launch. He’s the only political leader I ever met who still seems normal, even when you see him up close.
Farage once appointed Lord Monckton to be UKIP’s climate spokesman, so I think his views on climate alarmism are pretty obvious.
If Farage can lead the return to energy sanity I think he will. But he’s carried the burden for a long time, and paid a heavy price. If Farage wants to pass the torch on, someone else will step forward. Like the old saying, cometh the hour, cometh the man.
It’s getting late.
In my years of lobbying for various energy issues at the Federal and State levels, I assure you that most legislators are extremely tacky. The successful ones master the two essential arts of politics: 1) Schmoozing donors; and 2) memorizing slogans. It helps when incumbents can use taxpayer dollars to propagandize and visit with constituents.
If they don’t have a ready reply that will support their position without causing much noise in public, they pretend that you ask something else, totally unrelated, spout a reply that is meaningless to the topic, and hurry on to something else.
I’ve always wondered why Nigel didn’t run for Parliament or Prime Minister. Any idea why he did not?
He did stand in parliamentary elections for the Conservatives for several years, never elected but then was elected as MEP in the EU parliament for some years. After forming the UKIP party, he did stand in the elections but, again, wasn’t elected. He could only run for Prime Minister if he was an MP and in the party with a majority in the House of Commons; there’s no seperate election for Prime minister in the UK.
Erm that last bit should have been – there’s no seperate election for the Prime Minister that everyone can vote in. The current lunacy is restricted to Conservative MP’s and party members only, so we know who to blame for the next privileged muppet!
What a bunch of cry babies. They’re supposed to be adults.
It’s all emotion when they are talking human-caused climate change.
They don’t like their beliefs being questioned.
I guess it’s probably a good bet they don’t read WUWT. That would not be good for their mental health, since there is a lot of criticism and questioning of their climate change belief system here, so they probably avoid it.
Churchgoers avoid honky-tonks, except when out of town. You can’t imagine the number of practicing Mormons I bought drinks for.
See, chi’drens, you can only lie for so long before people tell you to f*ck off. Next step? Making them f*ck off.
Abraham Lincoln said it all.
Of all tyrannies, the Parliamentary dictatorship is the oldest of them all
I don’t think the public expressing “Get a grip” is either threatening or abusive.
It is also natural and healthy to be angry and to express that anger in the face of institutional bias we are paying for. We expect and demand that the BBC is impartial. Showing post box red maps is not rational, its hysterical.
We can write to the BBC and the MET until we are blue in the face, they ignore us all. That frustration has boiled over and, quite rightly, both got a hard time from the public.
The alternative is that the public take to the streets, just like XR do, what would the BBC and the MET office rather we do.
But then that alternative would face riot troops.
Not in the UK. It was suggested once, in the Thatcher years; the MOD went rather pale, shuffled nervously and said that the idea should never be brought up – they had zero confidence that British troops would obey orders to deploy within the UK.
The politicised police would and have done it. In riot gear.
It was pretty obvious from the first signs of a spell of warm weather approaching that it was going to be a propaganda exercise. Out were the normal green GB maps with symbols what to expect in the regions, (sun, cloud, rain etc) in were the angry red maps and “red” warnings. By Sunday evening they were saying temperatures “may reach 40ºC”. Monday morning they ramped up pretty much hourly, 41, 42 and eventually 43 by midday. Certainly by that point they had a better idea of what temperatures actually would be, but they chose to pile on the alarmist narrative. As the warmest part of the day came and went, the actual figures started to roll in and most were below 40, a few that surpassed 40 but were from known UHI contaminated sites (but not acknowledged as such) and at least 2 of the 43 reports that I saw not from official recording sites so unverifiable. Yes, it was unusually warm for the UK, but these were mostly spikes, not sustained temperatures. Few, if any, died directly from the heat as had been warned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6YLxxStVk (clip from 40 seconds in, strangely hard to find on UK news sites after the event)
The Met office deserve to be called out for the alarmist claptrap they were spewing out. This year the UK is enjoying an actual summer, and whilst that may be rare it’s certainly not unprecedented. I can recall warm spells when I was growing up, but modern instrumentation is much more sophisticated and misses nothing, back then they were analogue instruments and not monitored constantly so possibly missed the spikes that they catch now. I don’t have any actual records, but I can confirm that there were days when it was hot enough to melt asphalt in the 1960’s in the UK. If I had known back then that it would ever be an issue I would’ve kept meticulous records.
D’oh! Sorry, got my dates mixed up, replace Sunday with Monday and Monday with Tuesday.
Bob Ward also got in on the act, with a letter in the Telegraph talking up heat-related deaths.
13 people died in the 22 UK “heatwave”
700 people died in the 76 UK heatwave
(sorry for the repeat)
But people were dumber back then than we are now. Just think of how much smarter we are now than those dolts living in the 1800s.
Mainly in swimming accidents, I believe.
I just saw a video about that. Drownings primarily affected women and female servants for the wealthy as they had to go to a creek to wash clothes.
We really should, once in awhile, stop and count our blessings for living in modern times with washing machines and indoor plumbing, not to mention, electricity.
Not sure if it was in these but pretty sure it was one on this channel.
The Crude Practice of Medicine in Tudor England | Hidden Killers | Timeline https://youtu.be/GgbEVDi8Zdc via @YouTube
Why Did Edwardian Appliances Cause So Many Deaths In The Home? | Hidden … https://youtu.be/dr1IAfl0_TM via @YouTube
In the second one, it details the hazards of life experienced when moving into the modern age of electricity and the beginnings of modern appliances. Many were killed by both!
Max/min thermometers didn’t require constant monitoring. I used to take the readings at our school weather station on a rota. One of the jobs was to note the max/min readings, and then use a magnet to draw the pins down to touch the mercury. These thermometers have been around since 1780.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six%27s_thermometer
Response times? Would they catch a spike of a few seconds duration caused by a 747 landing, or turbulence from a truck blowing over a black asphalt road a few yards away as there is at Heathrow? Because the latest instruments do.
Apropos loads of deaths
When I was a lad we used to get New Scientist magazine delivered to the school library every week and everyone in the sixth form could have a reduced price subscription if we wanted. I loved the magazine for its information about the scientific world and its differentiation between observable facts and people saying “I reckon”.
Now, I’d be ashamed to be seen with one. It seems to be unable to distinguish between computer generated models and observable reality – see this link for an example that makes me actually feel depressed with the state of the world.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2331349-40c-heatwave-may-have-killed-1000-people-in-england-and-wales/?utm_source=rakuten&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=2116208:Skimlinks.com&utm_content=10&ranMID=47192&ranEAID=TnL5HPStwNw&ranSiteID=TnL5HPStwNw-rhuq2UCNzWr2AA0F5Yd9uA
The headline is “40°C heatwave may have killed 1000 people ……”
The figures are actually the result of an estimation derived from an extrapolation from a model which calculated the risk from heat two and three years ago.
So, yet again, basically, no connection with anything that can be counted or measured.
A PhD student from Reading University, Chloe Brimicombe, said “It looks in line with expectations”. So that adds sufficient authentication to make it publishable.
I suppose I could email her and ask whose expectations it was in line with but sometimes I just feel like my life is ebbing away, being eaten by people who think science is about politics rather than reality.
Yet earlier this year the UK Office of National Statistics (ONS) published a report ‘Climate-related mortality and hospital admissions, England and Wales:2001 to 2020’ which said
“We found little increase in deaths caused by warmer weather and a reduction in deaths caused by cold weather leading to a net decrease in deaths”
They did however find there was an increase in people being admitted to hospital especially with injuries – the latter I guess involving activities like jumping into rivers from bridges or into very cold reservoirs. Unfortunately during the recent so called heatwave 3 teenagers died in this way.
The decline in New Scientist is remarkable. It’s no longer a popular science magazine. The change is very similar to what happened to the History Channel on TV. Populist unreal tripe drove out the good. A sort of Media Gresham’s Law.
There has been a gap in the market for years for an actual popular science magazine. It’s not been filled. Presumably the internet has made all magazines redundant. This online competition may explain what has happened to New Scientist (and maybe the History Channel too).
RIP Scientific American also…used to be worth reading.
When an ideology has become so dangerous that it literally kills people, as this climatard garbage does, then it shouldn’t be any remote surprise that normal thinking people want to hurl abuse at perennial liars, nor should it be condemned.
When these fools want to cause so much damage, then every word at anyone’s disposal is fair game to describe these moron cultists.
EXACTLY. I don’t care one wit about their motivations. Their bad science is/will result in pain and suffering for thousands of people. Probably many more. I see no problem at all showing one’s disdain for their moronicity.
For example, just found out Brandon is having a covid relapse. I personally hope it does to him exactly what his policies have done to millions of people. Then karma can move on to the next idiot.
From the article: “According to the Met Office, climate change made the heatwave ten times more likely – although it is not possible to conclude causation definitively.”
You can say that again!
The facts are, nothing about human-caused climate change is definitive. Nothing. It’s assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions all the way down.
This Met Office claim about a couple of hot days in England is just more of the same.
These people consider themselves scientists! They can’t distinguish fact from assertion.
Then how the hell can they say its 10 times more likely if one cannot prove causation? UN IPCC CliSciFi models?
Of course they can’t. Given that they believe the conjecture that CO2 causes AGW, how can they distinguish facts?
Since a heat wave is defined as being a certain temperature above the average temperature for that time of year.
Since global warming, to the extent that it can actually be measured is impacting the average temperature.
Therefore it is impossible for global warming to make heat waves more or less likely.
It’s a scandal that the BBC (and the Met Office) refuses point blank to allow any debate on climate science. What sort of science is that?
When you don’t any allow questioning of your position that suggests the ‘settled science’ is not as robust as you make out. As for the trolling the examples released to the press were better described as ‘criticism’ as opposed to ‘abuse’.
By Government decree the BBC is forbidden to allow anything that contradicts the Government line on CAGW. I suspect that this also applies to the Met Office.
The Met Office actively agitates for a CAGW position. It wants the government to go further.
Living in Tory-shire where anything with a blue rosette will get voted in, I noticed that in 2010 despite getting increased Tory majorities – with a lower number of votes – the party that was pulling in large amounts of extra votes was UKIP with growth of around 5%. This scared Call Me Dave into his promise to hold an EU Referendum at the 2015 election where he was hoping that the Liberal government would continue and he could hide behind Calamity Clegg to deny a referendum – again. Sadly for Dave, the Tories won the 2015 election and he was forced to hold the referendum.
So I think that is some truth in what Mr Worrall says but I don’t see any party that can really be the threat at the moment. To be successful a solid plan for just 2 areas is required – energy supply and immigration.
The article doesn’t say anything about threats. I think the swelled heads at the MET just cannot take anyone questioning their intelligence and superiority.
From the article: “Before I read Climategate I thought alarmists were all scientific frauds, but after I read Climategate I realised there is a range of motivations. Many if not all of them actually believe. Even when they hide declines or try to have open minded science journal editors fired, or manipulate data from New Zealand which strongly suggests the MWP was global, they think they are being the good guys. So there is no point threatening or hurling abuse. People who believe they are the good guys put up with abuse, because they believe their mission to help others is more important than their personal comfort.”
I think that is an excellent observation.
It’s hard to figure the motiviations of individual people. I would give most the benefit of the doubt and assume they are sadly misinformed about CO2 and the climate, but not all.
Some are conniving data manipulators. And the data manipulators have done the most damage, as the bastardized temperature “record” is the only thing alarmists have to back up their outrageous claims about CO2. It’s the only thing they can point to. A computer-generated re-doing of the historical written temperature record which completely distorts the temperature profile of the Earth, since written records have been kept.
I don’t think the Data Manipulators are True Believers. I think they are dishonest people with an agenda.
Failing to publicly ridicule people who want us dead is failing.
Yes.
Actually, Tom, data manipulators are not the biggest culprits. It is the UN IPCC CliSciFi climate models that supply the principle leg of their “multiple lines of evidence.”
Think about why climate scientists are climate scientists.
It’s because thy chose to study the climate.
If they are able to do computer modelling (successfully) they could earn far more doing financial modelling. If they wanted to save the world they could have worked on disaster relief or medicine (virus modelling?)
But they chose the climate to study as that is what they already thought was most important.
Asking climate scientists about the climate is like asking Catholic Priests about the existence of God. You will get a consistent answer from people who have studied the subject. But it isn’t actually proof that the Pope is infallible.
Nor the MET Office either.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now list the politicians that we should vote for on this basis!
Quite so: you can’t find more than a tiny handful.
The majority are the ones that will just pay lip service to whatever new crisis has hit the public consciousness whilst doing as little as possible and being paid for it. Where do you think these ‘climate scientists’ got their ideas of suckling at the public teat from anyway?