You are the pollution they want to eliminate! Study: ‘Eating Too Much Protein Makes (Human) Pee a Problem Pollutant in the U.S.’ – ‘Can contribute to warming’

From Climate Depot

Marc Morano

New study, published in the journal Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment

Scientific American: “In the U.S., people eat more protein than they need to. And though it might not be bad for human health, this excess does pose a problem for the country’s waterways. The nation’s wastewater is laden with the leftovers from protein digestion: nitrogen compounds that can feed toxic algal blooms and pollute the air and drinking water. …

Once it enters the environment, the nitrogen in urea can trigger a spectrum of ecological impacts known as the “nitrogen cascade.” Under certain chemical conditions, and in the presence of particular microbes, urea can break down to form gases of oxidized nitrogen. These gases reach the atmosphere, where nitrous oxide (N2O) can contribute to warming via the greenhouse effect and nitrogen oxides (NOx) can cause acid rain.” … Patricia Glibert, an oceanographer at the University of Maryland, suggests consumers could switch to a “demitarian” diet—an approach that focuses on reducing the consumption of meat and dairy..”


Climate Depot’s Morano: “They will not give up. They will continue to scare you about climate change in every, and any conceivable way. Now when you pee, you are allegedly a human pollution machine that is heating up the planet. The voiding of your bladder must be curtailed for the sake of the planet! So says ‘The Science’!” 

By: Admin – Climate DepotJuly 29, 2022 4:39 PM with 0 comments

By Sasha Warren

In the U.S., people eat more protein than they need to. And though it might not be bad for human health, this excess does pose a problem for the country’s waterways. The nation’s wastewater is laden with the leftovers from protein digestion: nitrogen compounds that can feed toxic algal blooms and pollute the air and drinking water. This source of nitrogen pollution even rivals that from fertilizers washed off of fields growing food crops, new research suggests.

When we overconsume protein—whether it comes from lentils, supplements or steak—our body breaks the excess down into urea, a nitrogen-containing compound that exits the body via urine and ultimately ends up in sewage. Maya Almaraz, a biogeochemist at the University of California, Davis, and her colleagues wanted to see how much of this nitrogen is being flushed into the U.S. sewage system because of a protein-heavy diet. The researchers combined population data and previous work on how much excess protein the average American eats and found that the majority of nitrogen pollution present in wastewater—some 67 to 100 percent—is a by-product of what people consume. “We think a lot about sewage nitrogen. We know that’s an issue,” Almaraz says. “But I didn’t know how much of that is actually affected by the choices we’re making way upstream—when we go the grocery store, when we cook a meal and what we end up putting in our bodies.”

Once it enters the environment, the nitrogen in urea can trigger a spectrum of ecological impacts known as the “nitrogen cascade.” Under certain chemical conditions, and in the presence of particular microbes, urea can break down to form gases of oxidized nitrogen. These gases reach the atmosphere, where nitrous oxide (N2O) can contribute to warming via the greenhouse effect and nitrogen oxides (NOx) can cause acid rain. Other times, algae and cyanobacteria, photosynthetic bacteria also called blue-green algae, feed on urea directly. The nitrogen helps them grow much faster than they would normally, clogging vital water supplies with blooms that can produce toxins that are harmful to humans, other animals and plants. And when the algae eventually die, the problem is not over. Microorganisms that feast on dead algae use up oxygen in the water, leading to “dead zones,” where many aquatic species simply cannot survive, in rivers, lakes and oceans. Blooms from Puget Sound to Tampa, Fla., have caused large fish die-offs.

Almaraz and her team suggest, however, that curbing nitrogen pollution could be approached more quickly with a change in eating habits that could save billions of dollars in the long term.

Their new study, published in Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment, broke down protein requirements by age (adults 50 to 70 years old need the most) for the current U.S. population and projected future populations out to 2055. By midcentury, the country’s population is expected to be larger overall and to have a greater percentage of older people. The researchers calculated the amount of nitrogen that would enter the environment if people ate today’s average American diet and if they instead reduced their protein intake to only what is nutritionally needed. This shift in diet alone could reduce the amount of nitrogen reaching aquatic ecosystems by 12 percent today and by nearly 30 percent in the future, according to the study’s results. Such a change could also help reduce damaging nitrogen pollution while wastewater infrastructure catches up.

“Many people think that we need to all switch to becoming vegetarians. Obviously, that’s not practical. That’s not something that is really ever going to happen,” Glibert says. Rather than cutting out any foods entirely, she suggests consumers could switch to a “demitarian” diet—an approach that focuses on reducing the consumption of meat and dairy, which currently make up about two thirds of the protein eaten in the U.S. “Enjoy your steak, enjoy your burger but go modest on your meat consumption in your following meal,” she says.

Sasha Warren is a 2022 AAAS Mass Media Fellow at Scientific American. They are currently working on their PhD in planetary sciences at the University of Chicago. Follow them on Twitter@space_for_sasha

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Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 6:08 am

I do nor know whether vegans or greens are more annoying or preachy.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 7:59 am

My experiences from dining out or entertaining at home suggest that vegans are relatively easy to accommodate. Greens, impossible.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 12:33 pm

Feed vegans greens – simple

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 8:46 am

Debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

How many vegans do you know that aren’t Greens?

The Venn Diagram is two perfectly overlapping circles in my limited data sampling!

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 9:29 am

They are annoyingly preachy.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  MarkW
July 30, 2022 12:25 pm

A trait shared with all zealots.

Reply to  MarkW
July 30, 2022 11:59 pm

Q: How can you guess if someone is a vegetarian?
A: You don’t have to guess. They’re gunna tell you within a few minutes.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 11:48 am

Why don’t they go back to Vega? It’s only about 40 light years away.

Reply to  Tom Halla
July 30, 2022 11:53 am

Our daughter is a vegetarian, not a vegan, so that may be the difference. She objects to eating animals only because of how they are raised and slaughtered.
She will eat meat if it’s hunted or if it comes from a place that humanely raises and slaughters the animals.
There’s a place in one of the Dakotas that raises buffalo called, Wild Ideas. They are all pasture raised and the State Inspector goes out into the field to approve the animal’s health and, then, the owner shoots it right there. No trauma.

At least, this makes sense. Of course, it’s very expensive meat and there is no way to do this and feed the world but for those who care enough about this, it does offer an alternative.

There was a ranch in Arizona who raised their cattle in the field and took it to a slaughter house and she would eat their meat because of how they are raised. They went out of business due to the prolonged drought in NE Arizona. It was the last area of Az. to come out of severe drought conditions and they couldn’t make it.

She’s not preachy about it but then, she’s not a strict vegetarian. She even has a rooster who, at this point, she’d love to kill and eat but thinks his meat would be too tough for consumption. She really hates that rooster and for many very good reasons!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 12:30 pm

… for those who care enough about this, it does offer an alternative.

If it isn’t a general solution to a problem created by a large number of people, then it is virtue signalling.

Buy a pressure cooker for the rooster. Then she can expand her diet to include squirrels. That is tough meat!

Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 2:42 pm

When I was out in the middle of Korea in the middle of nowhere, my wife and I went to a restaurant and ordered chicken (among other things). They had chickens roaming around outside, and went out and butchered one. Talk about tough meat — had a hard time chewing it.

Reply to  littlepeaks
July 30, 2022 4:19 pm

When I was a child I would go to my grandfather farm and was served chicken, it was very tender and fried, (something we did not get at home) that chicken was alive up to the time we arrived It was a young rooster. What we got at home were “retired” hens that were to old to consistently produce eggs. You had to roast them to make them tender. Not only that we bought the birds alive and we had to slaughter them(often I was the executioner with the hand ax) and clean them. It was generally thirty at a time. I grew up poor. I don’t eat roaster anymore.

Reply to  mal
July 31, 2022 6:09 pm

Suggesting that you didn’t use a funnel and a sharp knife?

Chickens calm down when held upside down.
You invert the chicken and when it calms, the head drops down below the funnel, allowing a humane kill.

Chickens slaughtered any other way, flap and run wildly, splattering everything nearby with blood. Which, I am sure you noticed.

Reply to  littlepeaks
July 31, 2022 6:02 pm

Most folks do not understand that chickens grow fast.

  • Fryers are harvested at 6 weeks old.
  • Roasters at 8 weeks old.
  • Anything older, your best bet is slow simmering, sometimes for days for years old chickens.

We also raised chickens in my family.

What is missed from older times is that people used to hang their meat to age and tenderize. Depending on the temperature, that aging could be for days.

A freshly killed chicken is often much tougher than if it was aged even one day.

Old Cocky
Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 3:08 pm

There seems to be a common misconception that all sheep and beef cattle are lot fed.
There may be a large proportion in the US and Europe, but not in at least Argentina, Australia and Brazil.

Reply to  Old Cocky
July 30, 2022 9:56 pm

There is only one feed lot in all of New Zealand and it is for export of beef mainly to the US.
All other meat ,beef ,venison.pork ,lamb .mutton is all stunned before slaughter and it has been for many years by government regulation .
All animals except pigs are raised out doors on pasture and a very small proportion of cattle are purchased at around 18 months of age off pasture to finish at the Five Star feedlot in Canterbury.
Some crops are grown for dry summers and cold winters with maize or corn as you call it in the US grown for supplementing dairy cows and it is claimed to reduce nitrogen from the cows ..
It is a fact that soils under pasture sequests carbon .
Our government don’t want to know as they seem to want to reduce our herds in the name of climate change because some clown in the UNIPCC has calculated that half of NZs emissions are agricultural based .
NZ is a country of 5 million and feed another 30 million people around the world but these emissions are said to be NZs .
I ask you how does this work and why are not the importing countries charged for these so called emissions to feed them selves .

Old Cocky
Reply to  Graham
July 30, 2022 10:30 pm

Very well said.

I should have had NZ in the list. Sorry about that, Chief.

Reply to  Graham
July 31, 2022 2:19 am

NZ best bet is to get that pos ardern OUT as in aus we have to suffer albo for 2.5yrs.
curious how ardern can drop the mallet on NZ oil gas and farmers with dairy a big target…and yet Fonterra ships cows/embryo etc and does deals for massive dairies in China and shes just fine with that?
loses you income and flogs it to OS entities who do NOT have your interest in mind at all

Reply to  ozspeaksup
July 31, 2022 6:46 pm

massive dairies in China”

After the Melamine scandal in China!?

China is still run based upon a male honor system, where anything done to maintain a lord’s honor is reasonable.

That is, when the local fails to produce required allotment amounts of milk, melamine gets added to boost the milk supply.

It’s like the diethylene glycol contamination in Austria, Italy back in the 1980s. Any market for the wines crashed and people are, even today, still afraid.

Reply to  Old Cocky
July 31, 2022 2:12 am

yes most in Aus are pastured and lucky they are. there IS a push to feedlot on farms for pickup by the larger stupormarkets direct
places go from pleasant pastures to the rankest stink in a matter of weeks. ruins the soil and the animals are filthy and stressed compared to their normal calm selves in the open paddocks

Gerry, England
Reply to  Old Cocky
July 31, 2022 5:38 am

Or the UK where they graze from spring to autumn and then use haylage and silage over the winter.

Reply to  Old Cocky
July 31, 2022 6:26 pm

If you look up grain fed feed lots in the United States, you only find a few listed.

Those feedlots serve the restaurant crowd and wealthier buyers.

Meats sent to grocery store counters are run through huge butchering facilities. Places where any grain fed to the beasts is calculated to the minimum necessary to fatten the beast.

Instead the animals get fed mash, from the making of whiskey, along with corn wastes (plants, ear sheaths). Vegetative wastes from turnips, beets and many other crops are also fed to cattle.

Across the country, local butchers buy their animals from places that feed animals any of the grasses/alfalfa.

Farms throughout America raise their cattle on grasslands, whether in the arid deserts or in the lush east. Only a few cattle are sent to places where they get fed (dangerously) grain.

Grain ferments and painfully bloats the stomachs of ungulates. A horrible practice that activists love to claim is performed on all animals used for food.

Old Cocky
Reply to  ATheoK
July 31, 2022 8:45 pm

It depends on the grain. We used to drought-feed with cereal hay and oats, and oats has a wide safety margin.

Feeding wheat is like playing with nitroglycerine, though.

And it’s interesting info from you and Gerry that both the US and UK have extensive pasture grazing as well.

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Reply to  KcTaz
July 31, 2022 2:09 am

daughters right the rooster would be tough and pretty rank tasting. I have one just like it here, he lives ONLY because I need the odd batch of chicks

Reply to  KcTaz
July 31, 2022 5:53 pm

She needs to work on a farm.

July 30, 2022 6:17 am

Yes indeed it is ridiculous. The foolishness just never ends. Was there ever a population so foolish as us?

Reply to  VOWG
July 30, 2022 9:24 am

There probably was. We just don’t know about them because they’re extinct.

Reply to  VOWG
July 30, 2022 11:21 am

Yes, the Romans before the Fall of the Roman Empire. We’re making many of the same mistakes they did before their fall to include unlimited immigration and inflation. They shaved gold and silver off the coins so they were not worth as much as the stated amount as the empire’s stores of both shrank.
Rome, also, had a great decline in what today we call family values and gave themselves over to debauchery.

Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 11:31 am

Well, apart from unlimited immigration, inflation, shaving gold & silver off coins, declining family values and debauchery

“what did the Romans ever do for us?”

Richard Page
Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 3:00 pm

“…gave themselves over to debauchery.” Most of what we know of the ‘debauched’ and ‘degenerate’ Romans comes from the early Christians, not from pagan writers – a lot of their writing is fairly debauchery free. Of course the Romans believed themselves to be quite moral – they were very critical of the debauchery of the Greeks.

Reply to  Richard Page
July 31, 2022 7:07 pm


  • Wrestling nude? Oops, Romans did that too.
  • Sleeping with other spouses? Oops, Romans did that.
  • Killing others from anger, desire, envy? Oops, Romans did that.
  • Looting, pillaging, raping? Oops, Romans did that.
  • Seizing weaker neighbors as slaves? Oops, Romans did that.
  • Put on massive displays of gory brutality for pleasure? Oops, Romans did that.
  • Murder scientists/philosophers because they embarrassed a leader? Oops, Romans did that.

Romans built temples to their gods in lands they conquered. So, long as the conquered countries allowed that, Romans allowed the conquered countries to worship their old god(s).
What Romans detested were heretics. Those originally believed in one religion than hated that religion. Early Christians were heretics to the Romans.

Reply to  KcTaz
July 31, 2022 2:20 am

bread and circuses indeed
pretty well sums up todays times

Reply to  KcTaz
July 31, 2022 6:49 pm

My understanding is that the Romans were quite debauched from the start.

July 30, 2022 6:27 am

“Eating Too Much Protein “

So, how much is too much? And how much is just right? They don’t say. It’s utter bolleaux – again. Nitrogen is the new ‘immediate‘ enemy joining the other bad guys – CO2, CH4 etc

“though it might not be bad for human health” 

That’s their way of saying it’s beneficial, very beneficial to human health.

Few humans, except for people like Jordan Peterson, eat a purely meat based diet. The new green war on agriculture is only just beginning and I dare say they think they can force prices up and blame it on Putin or..

eating too much protein.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 8:50 am

There is never a positive aspect to ANY of these effects according to their Green religion.

Streambank erosion is almost always a huge negative. I would think fertilizing the streambank vegetation would be a substantial benefit.

However, try to get funding for a study titled “Positive Environmental Effects of High-Protein Diets in Humans.”

Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 9:38 am

Eating meat also makes people happy. Think about all the memorable meals you have had. How many were meatless?

The CAGW cult hates people. Literally, hates us. We are ‘deplorable’ and have ‘unacceptable views’. They have a deep hatred of people. Therefore, they do not like things that make us happy. Meat makes us happy. Family makes us happy. It is no coincidence that those are the things under attack. They are miserable people, and they hate us so much that they want us to be even more miserable.

Reply to  fretslider
July 31, 2022 2:22 am

curious they said 50 to 70yr olds needed the most protein?
I rather thought it was the growing young and early life to 40s when people build muscle worked hard etc
well some do but most now dont work hard or physically at all

you drop the protein on feed for older animals or risk kidney and liver problems

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The Emperor's New Mask
July 30, 2022 6:30 am

Veganism is a horrifically poor diet for humans, for both physical and mental health reasons. I don’t know if the veganism causes post-modernist lunacy, or if post-modernist lunacy leads to veganism. But I am pretty certain that there is a strong positive feedback loop involved, leading to some serious individual and societal instability.

Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
July 30, 2022 8:11 am

Indeed. A vegan diet will lead to neurological problems possibly including dementia unless vitamin B-12 supplements are taken. Says so right on the vegan society’s webpage. Humans evolved canine teeth, a highly acidic gut, and a taste for meat for a reason. We can’t synthesize B-12, we get it by ingesting meat and animal products.

Reply to  Meab
July 30, 2022 9:23 am

Vegans are Darwinism in action.
Females stop menstruating, males can’t get it up and no one wants to sleep with one anyway.

In about 70 years there won’t be any left. In the mean time we have put up with listening to them … or eat them, depending on how bad things get when they ban fertilisers and fossil fuel use.

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Reply to  Greg
July 30, 2022 9:30 am

I’m not against a vegan diet, although you have to catch them first. 😉

The nice thing is that they can’t stop talking about veganism, so you can just listen to find out where they are. It’s like elephants crashing through the underbrush. You can hear them long before you see them. 😉😉

Reply to  Greg
July 30, 2022 4:51 pm

I have asked vegans how they ensure that they are getting all 11 essential amino acids ,get blank stares back and sometimes I get accused of being the devil

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Meab
July 30, 2022 9:32 am

Velly intrestin :<)
Do they add B-12 to all the fake meats they’re coming out with?

Reply to  Joe Crawford
July 30, 2022 1:06 pm

Heck no! Then you’d be smart enough not to buy that dreck ever again, Joe.

Reply to  Joe Crawford
July 31, 2022 2:26 am

doubt it the supplements of the Bgroup DO have a pong to them -ingesting and after

Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
July 30, 2022 10:15 am

Human digestion is optimized for fats, and is also pretty good with proteins, but handles carbs comparitively poorly (though better than the carnivores of the animal kingdom). Fats are the base structural components of nerve tissue (including the brain) and hormones.

Long-term lack of fats will upset your hormonal balance, degrade your nervous system, and promote the onset of dementia.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  drednicolson
July 30, 2022 12:36 pm

I once attended a lecture by a physician who claimed that anyone who ate an exclusively meat diet would die from it. I asked him how come Eskimos hadn’t become extinct. He didn’t have an answer. In fact, he was speechless. I guess he had never thought of that.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 30, 2022 1:04 pm

The answer is “fats”. Consider “rabbit starvation.”
Protein poisoning – Wikipedia

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Hultquist
July 30, 2022 9:12 pm

Interesting, but I note that the article starts with:

This article needs more medical references for verification

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 31, 2022 2:29 am

Id say so, huge amounts of aussies only managed to survive by eating underground mutton in war n depression years, butter and fats were rationed veg was homegrown in victory gardens and were normal for isolated farms as basic survival. and rabbits that are on decent pasture DO have some fat anyway. Kangaroo is FAR more likely to cause problem eaten as sole meat longer term, they really dont store fat

Reply to  drednicolson
July 31, 2022 7:11 pm

Well stated!

Reply to  The Emperor's New Mask
July 30, 2022 4:21 pm

If you raise a child on a vegan diet it will loose 20 IQ points.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  mal
July 31, 2022 3:10 am

But that may also be inherited.

H. D. Hoese
July 30, 2022 6:30 am

From the article– “nitrogen cascade…Blooms from Puget Sound to Tampa, Fla., have caused large fish die-offs.” Since this includes the demon nitrogen that I know a bit about in the ocean will eventually examine the paper, hobby during the heat. First need to know if the route is through the continent, clockwise, anti-clockwise, most probably not geometric. Since the mentioned not so “dead zone” is often promoted as a Louisiana problem, the immediate suggestion is eat more “écrevisse.”

Reply to  H. D. Hoese
July 30, 2022 7:30 am

Prompted by the article – I was reminded…

“…urinary nitrogen is a well established biomarker for daily protein consumption. The models showed that trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO) is correlated to urinary nitrogen. Furthermore, urinary creatine was found to be increased by the High Protein diet whereas citric acid was increased by the Low Protein diet. “

Creatine? Oh yes… Creatine is found in vertebrates where it facilitates recycling of adenosine triphosphate (ATP), primarily in muscle and brain tissue.

We can’t be having that, can we?

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Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 9:28 am

If the WEF acolytes can’t kill you off, they want you too weak and dense to cause them any problems.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 11:13 am

In a too brief, lazy, unsuccessful search for the paper in Frontiers in Ecology and the Environment High Impact Ecology Journal found this— Addicott, E. T. et al. 2022. Toward an improved understanding of causation in the ecological sciences. Online Version of Record before inclusion in an issue.   Not OA.

Another article from SA author–“People with Long COVID May Still Have Spike Proteins in Their Blood,” some credit here, but well after the fact. As for blood, creatine is not usually found in adult blood, in the past at least.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
July 30, 2022 11:16 am

Duh, in the urine, not blood

Reply to  H. D. Hoese
July 30, 2022 9:32 am

Almost all of the nitrogen that is causing these algae blooms is coming from urban and suburban lawns.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  MarkW
July 30, 2022 11:53 am

That’s what I have heard, but the marine biologist advocates weren’t that smart and blamed it on agriculture, mostly corn farmers who(un)happily replied. They also didn’t know about ‘oligotrophication,” the process where you take out the nutrients. Such has been proven both in fresh and salt water, and when they did a diversion out of the ‘polluted’ Mississippi River which has had recycled sewage for decades.

Reply to  H. D. Hoese
July 30, 2022 12:00 pm

If they’re from the NW, I’d be happy to eat more of them. They taste just like lobster!

July 30, 2022 6:37 am

And yet, somehow, here we are

Ketil M
July 30, 2022 6:37 am

I’ve been pissing on my lemon tree for the last few years, It is about a meter tall and about a meter in diameter. This year I had over 120 very nice lemons. Something must be right. Probably Nitrogen.

Reply to  Ketil M
July 30, 2022 6:58 am

Your lemon tree knows a lot more than Almaraz et al do. But then your lemon tree has a different agenda.

Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 7:09 am

When the alarmists say your urine constitutes acid rain, then make them lemonade.

Reply to  Scissor
July 30, 2022 7:18 am

They really should cut the crap and say what Attenborough said: ” Humans are intruders“.

But alarmism and honesty are poles apart.

Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 8:19 am

Attenborough, as he approaches his last breath, is determined to have more people beat him to the point of last breath.
Truly foul.

Reply to  fretslider
July 30, 2022 12:33 pm

Attenborough is a special kind of stupid and evil.

British MP Demands an End to Affordable Food, to Combat Obesity and Climate Change


Delingpole: the Netflix/Attenborough #Walrusgate Scandal Gets Worse via @BreitbartNews

David Attenborough says sending food to famine-ridden countries is ‘barmy’
Veteran broadcaster has called for a debate on population control

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Ketil M
July 30, 2022 8:52 am

When life hand you a bucket of warm piss, make lemonade!

You are a philosophical AND environmental genius.

Reply to  Ketil M
July 30, 2022 9:27 am

There was a song on Zeplin II, something about “squeeze my lemon”. The singer was called Robert Plant, I guess there’s a connection somewhere.

Reply to  Greg
July 30, 2022 9:38 am

The Lemon Song…

July 30, 2022 6:51 am

This will be a fun thread to come back and read later.


July 30, 2022 7:10 am

Piss off, vegans.

Andy Pattullo
July 30, 2022 7:28 am

A report based on “can”, “might”, “may” possibilities and models. Not a spec of observed reality. The motivation behind this type of crap is to make us all feel guilty for living. Not one more electron or drop of ink should wasted spreading this nonsense.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
July 30, 2022 8:58 am

I am still sticking to my preternaturally adaptive principle to deal with insane Greenies. (Until you stop doing X yourself, don’t tell/force me to quit.)

Once you quit pissing urea yourself, I will then consider reducing my nitrogenous excretions.

Until then, “Piss off!”

July 30, 2022 7:29 am

Not to mention the carbon pollution. Self-abort with planned sequestration. Think of the pride parades: lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs playing in gay detachment.

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July 30, 2022 7:32 am

Malthus was totally wrong but has dominated modern environmentalist thinking. The anti-human agenda is a self destructive ideology.

What if us releasing the trapped CO2 was the greatest gift humans have ever given nature?

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Gyan1
July 30, 2022 9:00 am

Most ecosystems are fertilizer deficient.

CO2 is plant food.

QED: Release the Kraken plant food!

John Bell
July 30, 2022 7:37 am

Isn’t it so telling what leftists fixate on? Thank goodness I have a science education and career.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  John Bell
July 30, 2022 9:04 am

How are Leftists like legumes?

Both work hard to fix nitrogen!

(Does anyone think Greta or Al Gore can explain the science behind my bad “Dad” joke?)

Gunga Din
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 30, 2022 9:51 am

The increase in nitrous oxide makes even bad “Dad” seem funny.

Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 7:47 am

Morano is correct that ‘they will not give up’. Next time you’re talking with a progressive, just ask him/her/it just what their ideal world / society would need to look like for them to just stop ‘agitating’. Very scary and revealing.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 9:08 am

I have recently been asking Lefties what would be the ideal concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere?

Debating agricultural yields and optimal temperatures for either humans (or the biosphere as a whole) usually leaves them sputtering incoherently.

They then end the debate by pointing out the “consensus science”. I then ask for any published studies of the correct level of CO2. I am usually then declared to be an idiot at that point.

Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 30, 2022 12:42 pm

Be proud of it.

Fortunately, in our polite society here in Southern California, we no longer discuss Climate Science or politics. We are too refined for that.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Pillage Idiot
July 30, 2022 12:45 pm

Being an “idiot” is self-evident by asking a “lefty” to provide objective answers. That is like asking a cow to derive Maxwell’s Equation.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 30, 2022 6:38 pm

Cows are more in touch with reality than leftists.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 12:42 pm

I suspect that their personalities are such that they would never be happy — even living in the proverbial Garden of Eden.

Michael E McHenry
July 30, 2022 7:51 am

My recollection is that the common sugar glucose is the primary metabolic fuel. Glucose makes up a major portion of carbs. So if there are adequate carbs in your diet you won’t be using the amino acids of protein for fuel.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
July 30, 2022 8:13 am

Ancel Keys was the dietary junk science analogue to USSR geneticist Tromfin Lysenko. His high carb / low fat diet is why millions of Americans sport ample spare tires and develop Type-II diabetes. When it’s all said and done, it will be a push as to which government ‘scientist’ sent more folks to an early grave.

Michael E McHenry
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 8:55 am

I’m not talking high carb. If you have say a potato with your steak that would be enough

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 30, 2022 8:13 pm

One size does not fit all. I once, at 48 years old, went on a pasta diet. It was a 90 day plan. I started out slowly removing fats and substituting carbs….same volume of food, less calories. I ate adequate protein. At six weeks I started to shed weight, and I mean shed. I was eating a protein shake for breakfast, an apple and a cup of vegetable soup for lunch and as much pasta and skim milk as I desired for supper. I ended up losing 38 pounds, was never hungry and felt fantastic. Oh, I also ran 5 miles every morning.

Buck Fiden
Reply to  Michael E McHenry
August 1, 2022 5:32 am

Actually the primary metabolic fuel is Acetyl- CoA which is derived from fatty acids, proteins or glucose. I have not eaten a gram of carbohydrate for 6 months but am somehow alive to tell you about it.

July 30, 2022 7:56 am

They’ve been taking the piss for years

Zig Zag Wanderer
July 30, 2022 8:22 am

So they want you to eat more carbohydrates, instead? You have to get calories from something. This is called the ‘prison diet’, because it’s what they feed prisoners to keep them docile: A high carbohydrate diet.

They just want a nice docile population, that they can easily manipulate through fantasy fears.

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Philip CM
July 30, 2022 8:27 am

I used to love reading Scientific American back in the day. It never was terribly scientific per se but, it also wasn’t the garbage sheet for the advancement of sci-fi science it is today.

Today, trust in science is probably on the same level as it was trust in Boris Johnson or in Joe Biden. And that is low 30’s. Not good for science nor for politicians.

Michael E McHenry
Reply to  Philip CM
July 30, 2022 8:57 am

When Springer Publishing bought them that’s when it changed

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Philip CM
July 30, 2022 12:47 pm

…, it also wasn’t the garbage sheet for the advancement of sci-fi science fantasy it is today.

David Dibbell
July 30, 2022 9:05 am

“Such a change could also help reduce damaging nitrogen pollution while wastewater infrastructure catches up.”

“Catches up.” Rubbish. On a consulting basis, I worked at an upgraded dairy plant, and the nitrogen removal performance of the new wastewater treatment process originally reviewed for its discharge permit 12 years ago was far better than required to meet the Chesapeake Bay – related limits on nitrogen, phosphorus, etc.

It is ridiculous to suggest a diet solution, when well-known wastewater treatment controls are already doing the job.

The EPA has been attentive to nitrogen impacts for a long time.,and%206.45%20billion%20pounds%20of

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Gunga Din
Reply to  David Dibbell
July 30, 2022 9:40 am

Just curious.
Was this pretreatment before discharge to a municipal wastewater plant?
I know Dannon Yogurt in Ohio pretreats it’s waste before discharge to the municipal plant.
Many industries do.

David Dibbell
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 1:34 pm

No, this was full treatment discharging directly to a river.

July 30, 2022 9:12 am

“Carbon pollution” doesn’t mean your car, which is metallic , it means YOU.

July 30, 2022 9:13 am

Are they really so dense that they think they can convince people to change their diet to reduce nitrogen in waste water? Most people won’t change their diet to stay healthy let alone care about someone else’s health.

Unfortunately, scientists – especially any science relating to environment or medicine – have degraded their reputations to the point that their statements don’t carry any weight.

The demonization of CO2 is not resonating with the majority of the populace, except for the fringe lunatics, the legacy media (but I repeat myself), and government oligarchs. This is another attempt to create a hobgoblin meant to scare the proles to obey their masters and create guilt for the weak-minded fools that believe the propaganda.

Instead of trying to change the population’s diets, how about developing better ways to reduce urea via waste management? It might even be profitable to recycle the nitrogen.

Reply to  Brad-DXT
July 30, 2022 9:50 am

Every town bigger than a few thousand people is required to have sewage treatment, and those sewage treatment plants have had to meet federal standards. Those standards include setting maximum nitrogen levels.
Those towns that don’t have sewage, all the houses are on septic systems.
The number of locations that still dump raw sewage into rivers and streams is minuscule, assuming any remain at all.

A complete non-problem. Pretty much like all of the alarmist agenda.

Reply to  MarkW
July 30, 2022 10:00 am

I thought that sewerage treatment plants took care of it. Thank you for the information that I was too lazy to look up.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  MarkW
July 31, 2022 6:14 am

Trouble is here in the UK the water companies sewage treatment works are often old and inefficient and sewage is regularly released despite there being supposedly strict regulation.

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Reply to  Brad-DXT
July 30, 2022 10:00 am

The point you make about convincing people to alter their diet to stay healthy. Lighter people require less energy to move so losing a stone of weight will increase fuel mileage. With expensive motor fuels, who is on a voluntary crash diet?

It seems that the only people who are interested in altering our diet for the Greater Good or for Our Safety are the very same ones who want us dead.

Reply to  AWG
July 30, 2022 10:10 am

And they have multiple ways to reach their goal of killing off a considerable chunk of the world population.
The “experts” have been bought off. That’s why the lunatics can’t define or are constantly re-defining sex, ideal climate, or even recession.

Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 9:14 am

Well, that’s a pisser!

Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 9:20 am

So … first they said we need to disrupt the Carbon Cycle and now we need to disrupt the Nitrogen Cycle too? All to save the Planet?
What natural cycle do we to disrupt next? The DHMO Cycle?

Reply to  Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 9:50 am

With the talk of sun shields to save us from global warming, perhaps the solar cycle?

July 30, 2022 9:21 am

My suggestion is that anyone that thinks that this is a good idea, should stop pissing totally – to save the planet. The planet will be in better shape in a week or so.

July 30, 2022 9:26 am

The verbal and written diarrhea from these folks is beyond the pale!

July 30, 2022 9:28 am

The urea is broken down by sewage treatment plants.
It doesn’t “enter the environment”.

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
July 30, 2022 10:48 am

A side note.
I remember seeing bags of ice melt near doors where I worked.
In big green letters on the bags was the word “Organic”.
Urea was one of the ingredients mixed in with the usual salts.
(I doubt if anybody sprinkled any on their food.)

Last edited 2 months ago by Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 9:58 am

Re: the graphic, bugs are protein too!

As to the doctoral study, rather than looking at what goes into waste water treatment, perhaps they/them/those could check the output. Nitrates should be removed by the process. Much more pertinent to their pet issue is soil runoff and over-fertilization due to improper (read as government planned) crop rotation. But actual agronomy and chemistry are probably too intellectually challenging in an environmental demonology course of study.

July 30, 2022 10:27 am

Misusing science as propaganda for so-called “environ-mentalists” false assertions brings to light the real possibility that the inmates are running this administration’s asylum.

Steve Case
July 30, 2022 10:31 am

…nitrous oxide (N2O) can contribute to warming via the greenhouse effect…
This is more of the Global Warming Potential (GWP) numbers misdirection. N2O is increasing about 1 ppb (part per billion) every year by 2100 that’s an increase of 78 ppb. If CO2 were to increase by 78 ppb, how much warming would that cause? You can figure that one out:
If CO2 were to increase from 0.0420% to 0.0420078% How much warming would that cause?

Knowing that a doubling of CO2 theoretically should cause ~1.2°C of warming an
increase of 0.078 ppm (0.0186%) CO2 would cause and an unmeasureable 0.0002°C and multiplied by N2O’s GWP number of 273 that comes to ~0.05°C which is still pretty much unmeasureable.

The above is nonsense as it ignores the concept of insignificant figures.

When ever you run across claims about Methane or Nitrous Oxide contributing to climate change because they are greenhouse gases, ask the question, “So how much warming will they cause?” and demand an answer. 

Gunga Din
Reply to  Steve Case
July 30, 2022 11:26 am

You’d think they’d want more laughing gas in the atmosphere.
Dentists sometimes use it so that the patient doesn’t care what is happening in their mouth!

July 30, 2022 11:01 am

People who are overly concerned with too many humans on Earth should eliminate themselves as a favor to everyone. If that thought scares you, then become a Buddhist. They don’t need a national 988 number.

July 30, 2022 11:13 am

I’m old enough to remember when Scientific American and Nature were actual science magazines. It is very sad how far these publications, and American science generally, have fallen. Government funding and “research universities” destroyed science. It is all politics all the time now.

July 30, 2022 11:28 am

At the latest COP shindig where many climate nutters flew in on their private jets, they served a special steak but that wasn’t good enough for the Royalty of the Climate Change court. They actually served the steaks with real gold curls on top!

Facebook mysteriously banned people from saying ‘#SaltBae’


…Last week, Vietnam’s minister of public security, To Lam, was filmed at that restaurant while in the UK to visit the COP26 climate conference in Glasgow. That video – showing the chef feeding the minister a gold encrusted steak – was then posted to Mr Gökçe’s official Twitter account.
The video caused outrage in Vietnam and beyond, amid questions over whether such a high-ranking official should be seen to be eating the expensive meal amid an ongoing corruption crackdown in the country.
Soon after the outrage developed, the video was removed from Mr Gökçe’s official TikTok account. Accounts that attempted to re-post had it removed under TikTok’s community standards, Reuters reported.
After that, however, Facebook did not simply ban the video but rather any use of the #SaltBae hashtag at all. The ban applied globally, not just in Vietnam.

Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 2:24 pm

Why would Facebook care about a Vietnamese officials dinner?

Yahoo bans any post with “Lets go Brandon” in it. They say it’s against their “community” values. OK they like Joe Biden a lot and won’t tolerate humor his expense. But Vietnam?

July 30, 2022 11:42 am

Cop26 Delegates Served Meat, Dairy Despite U.N. Call for Reduced Intake
The menu for the United Nation’s (U.N.) annual climate change conference, Cop26, included close to 60 percent meat or dairy-based meals despite advocating for a switch to plant-based diets to save the climate.
The 26th annual Conference of the Parties, where President Joe Biden dozed off, is a yearly meeting where world leaders gather to discuss strategies to combat climate change. In 2015, COP21 happened in Paris, which gave the world the infamous Paris climate agreement…

File this under Do As I Say, Not As I Do!

Here’s there latest solution for what they will allow us to eat. I didn’t notice any of this being served at COP 26, though. All I can say is, I guess it beats eating bugs!

You, on the other hand, will eat seaweed and be happy.

Richard Page
Reply to  KcTaz
July 30, 2022 3:11 pm

If it’s with sushi, I’m sure nobody will notice.

Gunga Din
July 30, 2022 11:42 am

Perhaps those who insist we change what we eat because of the effect CAGW should themselves adopt a food-free diet?

Tom Abbott
July 30, 2022 11:53 am

From the article: “Sasha Warren is a 2022 AAAS Mass Media Fellow at Scientific American. They are currently working on their PhD in planetary sciences at the University of Chicago. Follow them on Twitter@space_for_sasha”

So should I assume Sasha prefers to be referred to as “they” and “them”? Or did they leave out another author?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 30, 2022 12:57 pm

Follow them on Twitter@space_for_sasha

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Gunga Din
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 30, 2022 4:46 pm

Maybe her middle name is “Sybil”?

July 30, 2022 11:57 am

Earth’s atomosphere is 78% Nitrogen. How in the world do they think Earth has survived all these billions of years with that much N if N is bad for Earth? This may be the dumbest thing the CAGWers have come up with to date.

Peta of Newark
July 30, 2022 12:23 pm

total junk

Clyde Spencer
July 30, 2022 12:23 pm

They are currently working on their PhD in planetary sciences at the University of Chicago. Follow them on …

Does (s)he/it have a split personality that warrants a plural designation? Or, is it more a case of identifying with the “Royal We”? Could her preference for pronouns say something about her other strongly held personal opinions?

How does being a graduate student in “planetary sciences” give one sufficient expertise in diet and ecosystem pollution to warrant recognition by the formerly respected Scientific American?

Old Cocky
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 30, 2022 5:12 pm

or is it the Royal wee?

July 30, 2022 12:24 pm

Well first of all, wastewater treatment plants in most of the world treat for ammonia, of which the average human secretes about 12-13 g per day. A typical treatment plant removes the ammonia by oxidizing it to nitrite and then to nitrate. Depending upon the actual levels of nitrate residual in the wastewater, then an additional step of converting the nitrates to nitrogen gas can be employed. The isn’t going to be much nitrous oxide released by a modern wastewater plant, and in the US under the 1990 Clean Air Act Amendments, is strictly regulated.

Much ado about nothing.

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July 30, 2022 2:33 pm

NPK is essential for all life on earth. People who call certain elements on the periodic table pollution are just nuts. They are all natural. Don’t listen to crazy people. They are not your friends.

July 30, 2022 2:37 pm

I have to eat a lot of protein. I’ve been diagnosed with low protein in my blood

July 30, 2022 2:44 pm

What do waste treatment plants do? When we flush does it go straight to the rivers?

Richard Page
Reply to  JoeG
July 30, 2022 3:13 pm

Exactly. That means it isn’t coming from our pee, it’s from somewhere else entirely, aka – they’re lying for ‘the cause’ again.

Gunga Din
Reply to  JoeG
July 30, 2022 5:03 pm

Simplified, most use natural processes (bacteria) to break down the “food” into simple compounds that plants use for food. They supply the aeration and nature does the rest.
But they seem to tag nitrogen atoms with a teensy, tiny label that says “Made by Man”. Just like the do with carbon atoms.
(The transponders were tricky to make. Nanotech. The only good thing to come out of CliSy.)

another ian
July 30, 2022 5:19 pm

From Spike Milligan’s War Histories description –

The smell of North Africa – a 1000 years of piss and drains

Not Chicken Little
July 30, 2022 7:06 pm

Both words in the title of this once-useful magazine are lies…

Buck Fiden
July 30, 2022 7:47 pm

What we need is nitrogen sequestration! Pee in the garden! Or on a vegan.

tom hewitt
July 30, 2022 7:57 pm
July 30, 2022 9:31 pm

Remember: World food shortage because we can’t make enough fertilizer while at the same time flushing it down toilets.

July 31, 2022 12:19 am

Pardon me for asking, but– If we didn’t eat the meat, what would happen to the Nitrogen in it?….and when the sewage water is “properly treated,” is the N turned into something else? Is there a Philosopher’s Stone for N?

Reply to  guidoLaMoto
July 31, 2022 1:21 pm

Cows pee a lot. save the planet. Eat them.

Gary Pate
July 31, 2022 12:31 am

Good thing I pee out in my back yard a lot. No waterways in sight. Now if you will excuse me I’ll get back to my steak…

July 31, 2022 2:07 am

well guess its a change from blaming the poor beknighted farmers..
and theyre not fessing up to wanting to cull 30% to 50% of humans(though they WOULD prefer that)
they have a problem with urea and phosphates in sewerage then get off their butts and PROCESS it to save for fertiliser.
if you have a garden pee in a bucket add water to the 2gallon mark and water trees etc with it
free and excellent plant food

Eric Vieira
July 31, 2022 3:25 am

What about all predator species (Lions, Eagles, Dolphins, etc…) that exclusively eat protein?
Should they also disappear? Scientific American has really gone berserk. Malnutrition often provokes hallucinations.

July 31, 2022 7:43 am

I suppose it was inevitable. First a war on CO2, a very minor constituent of air, and now nitrogen, the most abundant constituent of air at nearly 80%. As important to plant growth as CO2. The very air around you is now considered to be a poison. Who would have thunk it?
Somehow, many are convinced that that the nitrogen in manufactured fertilizers is different from the nitrogen produced by the bacteria in the roots of nitrogen fixing plants, or the nitrogen in manure or compost, or different than the nitrogen in the air that surrounds us.
Perhaps I should have studied harder in chemistry class. I have been under the impression that N was N whatever the source. Pee on it, I give up. Understanding the chattering classes is beyond my abilities of comprehension.

Last edited 2 months ago by Rick Kargaard
July 31, 2022 7:40 pm

Just when I thought it couldn’t get more silly, moronic, this comes along.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
August 1, 2022 7:00 am

Zuby summed it well…

Rothmus 🏴
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