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Al Gore: “climate deniers are … similar to all of those … law … officers in Uvalde, Texas”

Essay by Eric Worrall

I cannot imagine what must be going through the minds of Uvalde parents, teachers, survivors and responders, as they watch former Vice President Al Gore use their pain as a green political prop.

Al Gore compares ‘climate deniers’ to Uvalde police officers

“They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots, and nobody stepped forward,” he said of law enforcement at the Texas school shooting.

By DAVID COHEN
07/24/2022 08:23 AM EDT
Updated: 07/24/2022 10:03 AM EDT

Former Vice President Al Gore compared “climate deniers” to those law enforcement officials who waited more than an hour to attack the gunman in Uvalde, Texas, who killed 21 students and teachers.

“You know, the climate deniers are really in some ways similar to all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas, who were waiting outside an unlocked door while the children were being massacred,” he said in an interview with host Chuck Todd to air Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “They heard the screams, they heard the gunshots, and nobody stepped forward.”

He added about that May shooting: “And God bless those families who’ve suffered so much. And law enforcement officials tell us that’s not typical of what law enforcement usually does. And confronted with this global emergency, what we’re doing with our inaction and failing to walk through the door and stop the killing is not typical of what we are capable of as human beings. We do have the solutions.”

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/24/al-gore-climate-deniers-uvalde-00047579

Al Gore, who made a hundred million selling his TV station to foreign oil, predicted arctic ice would be gone by 2016, has a gigantic mansion size carbon footprint, and had a court ruling against his documentary film “An Inconvenient Truth” over its political bias, has spent much of his life trying to convince ordinary people to accept cuts to their lifestyle.

Al Gore only has himself to blame if people seem increasingly reluctant to listen to his climate rants. Apart from his personal energy extravagance, Gore has made some embarrassing public mistakes over the years when it comes to science. Even Politifact agrees Al Gore got his polar ice prediction wrong. And yes, Al Gore really did say the Earth’s interior temperature is “millions of degrees”, while spruiking geothermal energy.

If Al Gore wants people to take his climate claims seriously, he should make an effort to get the science right, instead of trivialising the pain of the recently bereaved.

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Ron Long
July 25, 2022 10:03 am

Algore is not responsible for what he says because he is stupid, and even flunked out of Seminary College. However, the police that stood around in Uvalde deserve to be castigated.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 10:07 am

‘Algore is not responsible for what he says because he is stupid..’

Too charitable, he’s evil, and he’s been so long before he climbed into that scissor lift in his AIT documentary.

Last edited 14 days ago by Frank from NoVA
Bryan A
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 25, 2022 12:32 pm

Here’s the link to the meet the press video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNgXrkSpOMw&t=367s
I left a scathing remark regarding Mr Gore’s insensitivity to the victims

Robert B
Reply to  Bryan A
July 25, 2022 1:50 pm

Too much sycophantic rubbish to wade through.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
July 26, 2022 7:27 am

Well.. is is either Evil, Stupid, or Insane. Choose two.

MarkW
Reply to  Kevin Benko
July 26, 2022 5:42 pm

Why not all three?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 10:12 am

The guy parlayed horseshit into hundreds of millions of dollars and probably picks up DiCaprio’s leavings

Not sure I would say he’s stupid.

Diabolical, evil marketing genius maybe?

If he can get that rich imagine where a poor community organizer from Chicago will end up?

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 25, 2022 4:59 pm

Al learned from his Pops that you can fool most demrats most of the time.

Prjindigo
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 10:15 am

to borrow an internetism

Would. You. Have. Wanted. To. Risk. Shooting. A. Kid?

Mr.
Reply to  Prjindigo
July 25, 2022 10:52 am

The concern for innocent collateral casualties when assessing return fire is very real.

The Israelis have to contend with this constantly with Hamas terrorists embedding their rocket launching sites in residential premises, offices, even medical centers in Palestine.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Mr.
July 25, 2022 1:39 pm

Not even remotely similar situations, Mr.

Mr.
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 25, 2022 2:24 pm

I’m not cutting the Uvalde police any slack Dave.
They didn’t make any moves at all at the initial and critical phases to take the shooter out
It looks like the only collateral casualties they were concerned about were themselves.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Mr.
July 25, 2022 2:31 pm

I agree with you Mr. See my comments, below.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Prjindigo
July 25, 2022 11:54 am

In cases with possible mass shooters, it’s standard training to act quickly as the longer you
wait, the higher the casualty rate will be. It’s a bad situation where you do what
you can. If for some reason there are “friendly” losses, it will be analyzed in reports & new/better procedures/systems will be put into place to address this. Unfortunately, life’s live & learn.

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Dave Fair
Reply to  Prjindigo
July 25, 2022 1:38 pm

Yes, Prjindigo. I, as a decorated and wounded combat veteran, would have risked it. The risk of my killing a kid would have been far less of a risk than the active shooter killing more kids. The outcome supports my position.

Ron Long
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 25, 2022 1:43 pm

Dave Fair, thank you for your service. I agree totally you are correct about rapid and direct assault against an active shooter situation.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 2:29 pm

Thanks for the sentiment, Ron. When responding to those expressing the same sentiment I say: Thank you, but I was drafted.

Part of our combat training included attacking into an an enemy’s ambush rather than staying in the kill zone. When I was part of ambush patrols, the main mistake the enemy made was to get down and try to slug it out.

Ron Long
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 25, 2022 2:35 pm

Dave, nothing fair about war, my twin brother and I were in Vietnam at the same time. He was a Birddog Pilot, 500 combat missions, and I was an Air Traffic Controller, and I remember once the ice cream truck was broke down for a week.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 3:46 pm

Ron, Birddog Forward Air Controllers (FACs) saved my bacon a few times by directing air support in dicey situations. Napalm works!

You poor REMFs (rear echelon mother f##kers): No ice cream truck for a week. Lo siento. One of the few times I made it to Tan Son Nhut Air Base near Saigon (Were you stationed there or IV Corps at Binh Thuy?), four of us armed GIs stopped an ice cream truck in the middle of the base roadway and forced it to stay there until we had eaten our full.

Ron Long
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 25, 2022 6:21 pm

I was at DiAn, just north of Tan Son Nhut. I also flew 40 missions in the back seat of an Australian Air Force OV-10 Bronco, which helped reduce my survivors guilt.

Editor
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 10:22 am

Yup, Ron, Gore failed 5 of 8 courses ay Vanderbilt’s divinity school. He later dropped out of Vanderbilt’s law school to become a politician so that he could go on to enact laws. Go figure. Ultimately, he ran for the Presidency of the U.S. and failed at that, too.

I still can’t figure out why anything he says is considered newsworthy by the mainstream media. He’s a failure and anti-American.

Regards,
Bob

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 10:59 am

He probably aced “Flock Fleecing”!

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Bryan A
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 25, 2022 12:35 pm

He’s certainly proficient at Political Pandering

Mr.
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 11:07 am

What he did manage to develop expertise in as Bill Clinton’s VP was the “trick” of telling different stories about the same matter to different regions of the electorate at the same time, and how to duchess the media to provide cover.

It’s all related in Christopher Hitchens’ book “Nobody Left To Lie To”.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Mr.
July 25, 2022 11:33 am

The MSM’s a co-conspirator. 60 Minutes’ lies got BJ Clinton elected in the first place!

KcTaz
Reply to  Old Man Winter
July 25, 2022 12:27 pm

“As far as I’m concerned, it’s a damned shame that a field as potentially dynamic and vital as journalism should be overrun with dullards, bums, and hacks, hag-ridden with myopia, apathy, and complacence, and generally stuck in a bog of stagnant mediocrity.
“Hunter S. Thompson

william Johnston
Reply to  KcTaz
July 25, 2022 7:26 pm

IOW, fine products of our journalism schools.

KcTaz
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 12:05 pm

Bob, that’s because the mainstream media is as anti-American as Gore is and, also, failures. They see a kindred spirit.

Rah
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 12:32 pm

They think we need a Gore lockbox!

John Hultquist
Reply to  Rah
July 25, 2022 1:01 pm

Many readers will not know the context of “lockbox”, but they can look it up. He was/is clueless — just one of his nonsense insights.

Rah
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 12:35 pm

You forgot to mention he failed to carry his own state when he ran for president . And his “no controlling authority” and how he invented the internet.

Derg
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 25, 2022 3:01 pm

He is a douche too.

TonyG
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
July 26, 2022 8:19 am

He’s … anti-American.

There’s your reason, Bob.

Simon
Reply to  Ron Long
July 25, 2022 1:55 pm

Say what you like about Al Gore, at least he had the guts to concede he lost in a tight election race so the country could move on.

James Davidson
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 2:44 pm

LOLOLOL … Gore only conceded after the US Supreme Court ruled against his legal procedures for recounts. An independent recount paid for by the media widened Bush’s victory even further.

Simon
Reply to  James Davidson
July 25, 2022 3:09 pm

And Trump….. he lost how many court cases and he still hasn’t conceded.

AWG
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 3:32 pm

I believe the number is zero lost court cases because none of the courts would dare risk their own lives to take up the case when it mattered and could have been adjudicated.

OTOH, Various courts have come out, particularly the Wisconsin State Supreme Court, and concluded that the election was stolen at least to the scope of what their jurisdiction applies. (they don’t speak to other states, only to where the evidence was provided)

Simon
Reply to  AWG
July 25, 2022 5:29 pm

Various courts have come out, particularly the Wisconsin State Supreme Court, and concluded that the election was stolen at least to the scope of what their jurisdiction applies. “
I call Bs on that. got a reference?
But, his own daughter, his attorney general, most of his aids, his own council Past Cipollone all have told the liar in chief he lost. Why is that not good enough for you?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 4:26 pm

Trump hasn’t lost a single court case. In every instance the courts refused to hear the case claiming that they didn’t have jurisdiction.

Additionally, I notice that you haven’t conceded how extremely stupid your first post was.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 5:32 pm

The cases were dismissed.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-courts-election-idUSKBN2AF1G1
“Additionally, I notice that you haven’t conceded how extremely stupid your first post was.”
First post when? I have lots of first posts?

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 9:57 pm

You are so dumb. Hint Hillary was the colluuuusion.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 5:45 pm

Poor poor little Simon. The fact that the cases were dismissed and not lost, was my point. Now the question becomes, why were they dismissed. Every single one of them was dismissed because the either the court felt they lacked jurisdiction, or because since the election was over, the case was moot.

Not a single case has been decided based on evidence.

As to your inability to count to one, I’m only surprised that you are willing to admit it.

Tom Waeghe
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 6:16 pm

You’re on the wrong website.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Waeghe
July 25, 2022 7:35 pm

Tom “never heard of you”….Sorry who is this website for?

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 9:57 pm

People with a brain

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 25, 2022 10:26 pm

Off with you then. If you consider calling people “dumb” as somehow a clever putdown, then I have news for you.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 3:29 pm

Lol…you are dumb. You and Griff share a “brain.”

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
July 26, 2022 5:46 pm

I believe they rent that brain, and lately they’ve been short of funds.

James Davidson
Reply to  James Davidson
July 25, 2022 8:46 pm

You were referencing to Al Gore; then, diverted to Trump. A typical strawman tactic. I don’t care about either party, but I was specifically responding to your comment about Al Gore.

paul courtney
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 2:57 pm

Mr. Simon: Yeah, I’m just as disgusted as you that Joe Brandon didn’t concede on Wednesday morning, and instead put the U.S. through the brandon admin it didn’t elect.

Simon
Reply to  paul courtney
July 25, 2022 3:11 pm

Hey whats the difference between a Republican and a Ukrainian? A Ukrainian defends his capital.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 4:27 pm

How can you defend something that has been occupied by terrorists?

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 7:36 pm

Which terrorists? The terrorists were doing the attacking.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 5:48 pm

Fascinating how Republicans peaceably assembling are terrorists, but Democrats burning down cities are just peacefully assembling.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 9:56 pm

As far as I’m concerned, you’re part of the communist color revolution of Nov 3, 2020.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 3:03 pm

A moron and his brain are soon parted. Did you find your Russia colluuuusion yet moron?

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 25, 2022 3:11 pm

DDDDDIIIIIRRRRGGGGEEEE!!!!!

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 3:24 pm

You still are a moron. Have you found Biden and Russia Colluuuusion yet?

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 3:26 pm

You and Gore didn’t concede. Hillary still talk about Russia.

And yes you are dumb.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 25, 2022 5:36 pm

Idiot… here is his concession speech. Quite an amazing thing to read in the light of the bullshite we have had Trump. Read it if you are man enough.
https://www.historyplace.com/speeches/gore-concedes.htm

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 5:55 pm

You are still dumb. I remember you saying Covid is pandemic of the unvaccinated…wait maybe that was Biden. I can never tell who is dumber. He has an excuse what is yours? Russia colluuuusion?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 5:49 pm

I don’t know if you are as stupid as your posts make you seem, but Gore called Bush about half an hour later and rescinded his concession. I’m guessing your brain has lost track of all the Gore vs State of FLorida legal wranglings that continued until if finally got to the Supreme Court.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 4:25 pm

Gore conceeded? Only after 3 months of legal battles trying to over turn the election.

Are you really as stupid as you make yourself seem?

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 5:40 pm

So you are saying in the light of how close it was, Gore had no right to contest it? What a silly man you are.
But you think Trump with no real evidence and countless people telling him he has lost, is fine to behave like the spoilt brat he is. Wow. Just wow.
Here is Gore’s speech. Read it if you are man enough. Maybe send it on to Trump so he can learn how real men concede.
https://www.historyplace.com/speeches/gore-concedes.htm

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 5:55 pm

Gore is douche.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Derg
July 26, 2022 9:58 pm

Algore is an idiot, figures TDS-boi would cling to him.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 5:51 pm

First he claims that Gore conceeded right after the election, now your are admitting that Gore actually fought tooth and nail to over turn the election.

I don’t know if you are this dumb, or if you really can’t remember your facts any more.

BTW, I just love the way your heros are allowed to contest close elections, but Republicans aren’t.

Then again, reality was never your strong suit.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 5:57 pm

Gore is a douche…what is your excuse?

Russia colluuuusion? To this day it still cracks me up.

william Johnston
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 7:27 pm

Guts? No, he just figured he had lost again. As usual.

Simon
Reply to  william Johnston
July 25, 2022 7:34 pm

Guts? No, he just figured he had lost again. As usual.
But he did concede as all good people should when they lose. Notice I said “good” people. Grown ups….

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 25, 2022 9:59 pm

You can’t be a grown up with a brain like that…you still believe in colluuuusion…so funny.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
July 25, 2022 10:27 pm

DDDDDDDIIIIIIIRRRRRRGGGGGEEEEEE!!!!!!

Derg
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 3:28 pm

You are still dumbbbbbbb

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
July 26, 2022 5:54 pm

There was a time when Simon did try to actually argue his position.
After getting embarrassed so many times, he’s been reduced to pulling griffs.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 5:52 pm

He conceeded, then he rescinded the concession and spent the better part of the next two months fighting to over turn the election.

You really can’t deal with reality anymore.

DonM
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 8:36 pm

Simon,

 “… he did concede as all good people should when they lose.”

Tell us why you don’t concede that the covid vaccines are harmful, that vaccines don’t stop the spread, the only ‘Russian collusion’ was between Hillary/Hunter/Obama & the Russians, and that you have no real friends.

DonM
Reply to  Simon
July 26, 2022 9:13 pm

Simon,

Thank you for your permission;

Al Gore is now, and always has been a piece of shit. He was a fairly honest piece of shit. His only moral failing being a Democrat, and going for repeated massages with happy endings (which eventually caused his divorce); right up until that fateful day when he came upon Bill and Vernon Jordan whispering and almost giggling.

“Hi Al”, says Bill, slapping Al on the back,”Have a cigar.”

Al took the cigar, he finally felt like one of the ‘in’ gang. The laughing continued as he walked away, but he felt he was part of it & not the butt of it.

Three weeks later he realized why the cigar wrapping was a bit odd, a bit crusty.

He also realized he was always going to be the butt of all jokes, all the time. He said “screw it” and went over to the dark side, conniving and cheating his way into the CAGW payoffs.

You Simon, like Al, are the butt of all jokes. But you handle it differently than Al. You come here so you can rationalize the way people think of you.

It is sad. You should go somewhere else and try to find a friend. Don’t give up.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  DonM
July 26, 2022 10:00 pm

I am finding myself in complete agreement with this post.

HotScot
July 25, 2022 10:09 am

I guess there’s always a lower level of depravity politicians can stoop to, no matter how low they already are.

Bob Hunter
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2022 11:22 am

Welcome to post yr 2000. The sensational sound bites & 6 word headlines get all the attention and become gospel, no matter how ridiculous they are.
For readers here, when discussing climate with acquaintances, most of us have been challenged with “97% of climate scientists”, ‘trust the science’ etc etc etc

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Dave Fair
Reply to  Bob Hunter
July 25, 2022 1:52 pm

I watched the head of one of the U.S. Executive Branches repeatedly use the 97% meme in response to a Republican Senator in a hearing asking for proof of CAGW.

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
July 25, 2022 4:28 pm

Not only will the politicians go lower, but the other socialists will rush in to defend their new levels of depravity.

Chaswarnertoo
July 25, 2022 10:13 am

Al Gore is a slimy liar.

Richard Page
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
July 25, 2022 10:23 am

He’s a politician who, like Biden, is only in it for the money and power. He only pushed for climate action because he was poised to make millions out of carbon trading schemes. Lies, underhand deals, smears and attacks are just his means to getting richer.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
July 25, 2022 10:27 am

Chas in addition his Al-Goreisms are flawed.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
July 25, 2022 12:08 pm

I can’t help but notice Al Gore’s striking similarities to both Joseph Goebbels and Bernie Madoff.

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Tom Halla
July 25, 2022 10:13 am

The behavior of the police in Uvalde is more that of the legacy press in dealing with Al Gore.
Gore has a long enough history of being flatly wrong, not calling him on it is failing at what one’s purported job is.

Prjindigo
July 25, 2022 10:14 am

How this man hasn’t beaten himself to death over a mosquito is beyond me.

July 25, 2022 10:22 am

Al Gore, what a gas bag.

John the Econ
July 25, 2022 10:24 am

I understand why Al Gore does what he does. What I don’t understand is why anyone still listens to him.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  John the Econ
July 25, 2022 12:09 pm

What?

Olen
July 25, 2022 10:28 am

He has to know he is lying but when has that stopped him and others when there is money in it..

Peta of Newark
July 25, 2022 10:31 am

Getting desperate.

Patience my ass, patience. Good Things come to those who wait

Disputin
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 28, 2022 3:21 am

As the T-shirt slogan read, with two vultures, one saying “Patience my arse, I’m going to kill something”.

July 25, 2022 10:32 am

There seems to also be an all out push to suggest we are experiencing record high temperatures. But there will always be new records at one locality but not in nearby regions. Thus a more honest look at record high temperatures would be to look at reecords for each state.

Of the 52 record high temperatures in the USA’s states (plus Puerto Rico and DC) 32 record highs were set between 1911 and 1937.

State Record HIgh Temperatures pre 1937.jpg
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 10:37 am

Of the 52 record high temperatures in the USA’s states (plus Puerto Rico and DC) only 20 record highs were set in the following 80 years, and only 12 set in the 30 years since 1990. There is no crisis and Gore and Chuck Todd are dishonest fearmongers

USA State record Temperatures post 1950.jpg
Dan Sudlik
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 11:06 am

Thanks for the data. Always nice to show some real data to the end of the world prophets.

Oldseadog
Reply to  Dan Sudlik
July 25, 2022 1:11 pm

The trouble is that when you show it to them either they refuse to look or they refuse to believe it and in both scenarios they stick their fingers in their ears and say “la la la la la.”

Gunga Din
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 1:53 pm

Back in 2007 when Al’s sci-fi “Inconvenient Truth” was in the news I did something similar with my little spot on the globes daily record highs and lows.
For years before then I’d turn on The Weather Channel before I went to work.(That was before it became The Storm Channel in its coverage.) When it did its “Local on the Eights” it almost always included the local record highs and lows with their respective years.
When I first heard the CAGW hype following Al’s CGI glaciers collapsing, that didn’t seem to agree with my impression of when high and low records occurred for my little spot on the globe.
I copy/pasted the record highs and lows for each day from the local NWS site into Excel. I used the Sort function to line them up by year and then “Count”. using 50 years before and after 1950. (Better ways to do all that, but I’m “Mr. Layman” and I was only out to satisfy my own curiosity. (And this was 5 years before I found WUWT.))
Most of the record highs were set before 1950 and most or the record lows were set after 1950.
Inconvenient for Al’s hype.

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 9:59 pm

Jim,
Thanks for the article and the record high temperature data.

Most people really don’t understand the actual molecular physics causing greenhouse gas warming to be so concentrated in the coldest places of the Northern Hemisphere during the coldest times of year.

On a similar planet with the exact same dynamics taking place, where everything was the same except climate science was honest, there would be celebrating over this gift of warmth, exactly where it’s needed the most…….in the bitter coldest places.

On this planet (earth) the last 4 distinct periods with similar to even warmer temperatures, and humans in existence but not burning fossil fuels, science referred to those periods as climate OPTIMUM’S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum

Now, we call that mostly beneficial warmth a CRISIS. The extra CO2 compared to those periods this warm makes it even more beneficial since sub 300 ppm CO2 for plants was very deficient.

Since CO2 absorbs LW radiation between 12 to 19 microns and overlaps with H2O at many wavelengths, adding CO2 has minimal warming when there’s a great amount of H2O in that air mass.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Atmospheric_Transmission-en.svg

H2O is 95% of the greenhouse gas warming and swamps CO2, especially at the bands they overlap at. However, in very cold/dry places, there isn’t enough H2O to saturate wave bands where it overlaps with CO2. As a result, CO2 plays a much bigger role in absorbing LW radiation in very cold/dry air.

The warmer and more humid an air mass is…………the more saturated the H2O wavebands absorbing LW radiation are and the less opportunity there is for CO2 to play a role at those overlapping wavelengths.
This is why greenhouse gas warming from CO2 is less and less, the warmer and more humid the air is.
Recent heat waves and records in mid and lower latitudes were likely a degree C or so hotter because of the increased CO2 in the air but the contribution to greenhouse gas warming from CO2 is extra swamped by all the water vapor during the Summer in mid/low latitude locations.

This is what makes it so ludicrous, when some of these places (like the UK) break records by several degrees and we hear that CO2 caused it to be so extreme.
It’s the complete opposite. The more extreme the pattern/temperature, the more independent it is from global warming and the more tied to a natural weather variation.

A bit of an exception in the warm season are deserts/very dry air masses and of course higher latitudes that are drier.
The most humid places(absolute not relative humidity) in the Northern Hemisphere have experienced the LEAST amount of warming.

The Southern Hemisphere has much more ocean which takes many times more energy to warm than land and thus the warming is lagging in the SH.

The image included shows how the year averaged warming anomaly is several times greater in the coldest places of the Northern Hemisphere than most places in the Northern Hemisphere.

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4964
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Below, at these links you will see this principle in action over the Southern Hemisphere right now. Note the strong positive anomaly over and around the South Pole/Antarctic that stands out like a sore thumb. This is a feature that dominates for much of the Winter and is being caused by CO2, greenhouse gas warming that dominates because the air is so cold/dry there.

In a few months, when daylight returns this anomaly will disappear and a new one, for the same reason will develop in and around the Arctic and last much of the Winter there.
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/87422/#87477

https://www.psl.noaa.gov/map/images/ens/t850anom_sh_alltimes.html

Screenshot 2022-07-23 at 11-08-41 SVS Global Temperature Anomalies from 1880 to 2021.png
July 25, 2022 10:40 am

You beat me to it Eric. I too sent in an article about Gore’s disgusting comparison to WUWT last night. Todd treats Gore as a prophet and ignores thee failed predictions

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Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 10:54 am

False prophets produce tons of failed predictions.

MarkW
Reply to  Curious George
July 25, 2022 11:11 am

If the media ignores a false prediction, did it really happen?

Gunga Din
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2022 1:04 pm

“If a tree ring fails when one looks but others refuse to see it, is its science sound?”

Rocketscientist
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 11:08 am

Polarized by politics? The

John Garrett
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 11:09 am

I’m very happy to see you call out Chuck Todd for his role as an enabler in this farce.

Todd is a lowlife.

MarkW
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 11:11 am

A polarized cap???

Does that mean it only oscillates in one plane?

KcTaz
Reply to  Jim Steele
July 25, 2022 12:24 pm

Gore should have listened to Yogi.

“It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future”
 Yogi Berra

Alba
July 25, 2022 10:42 am

Meanwhile, in the UK:
“London narrowly avoided a blackout last week by paying Belgium £9,724.54 per MWh to briefly import electricity – more than 5,000% higher than the typical price.”
 London’s Record £9,724.54 per Megawatt Hour to Avoid a Blackout – Bloomberg

TonyS
Reply to  Alba
July 25, 2022 11:36 am

They’ll not be able to do that this winter. The lights are going out in the UK for sure.

Derg
Reply to  Alba
July 25, 2022 3:07 pm

Are you guys still experiencing the 45 degree temps that Nick was writing about?

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Derg
July 25, 2022 4:53 pm

no, it was bullshit except for 1 day, July 19 where it hit 40
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/london/historic

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Dan Sudlik
July 25, 2022 10:43 am

Well after all, it is Algore, what would you expect. And I’m not worried because he’s probably flying somewhere on his private plane so he won’t read this for a while 😡

Bob
July 25, 2022 10:45 am

Gore is a punk, nothing more needs to be said.

Peta of Newark
July 25, 2022 10:53 am

Thank you Al..

BBC Quote:”National Grid paid £9,724 per megawatt hour, more than 5,000% than the typical price, to Belgium on Wednesday to prevent south-east London losing power.

Cam_S
July 25, 2022 10:57 am

I’m just shaking my head, thinking… WTF?

n.n
July 25, 2022 11:06 am

Gore defers to the Twilight faith, subscribes to the Pro-Choice ethical religion, and exercises liberal license to indulge climate profits (sic). He believes that he can abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too. Life deemed unworthy, life denied life. A wicked solution.

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Old Man Winter
July 25, 2022 11:06 am

Uvalde- Algore’s the shooter & we’ll be his intended victims!

Gary Pearse
July 25, 2022 11:20 am

“And confronted with this global emergency, what we’re doing with our inaction and failing to walk through the door and stop the killing is not typical of what we are capable of as human beings. ”

With the West’s designer-brained leadership having foist a now unavoidable societal disaster on the world that will be far more costly and with more casualties than the policies of 20th Century Madmen in total, it is fitting that these mediocre corporals were predestined to be failures. They are starting to be kicked out of office but those remaining “will fail to back out that door” though they be ultimately killing hundreds of millions at the low end of estimates.

Along with the leading consensus climateers, billionaire gov freeloaders, MSM and institutional enablers, Al Gore will share the blame for the global misery and carnage. The rest are witless usefu idiots.

H.R.
July 25, 2022 11:24 am

Because I post anonymously, I don’t do ad hom attacks. (I do tease griff about being in mom’s basement because griff doesn’t give any background, even as to ‘he’ or ‘she’ and has not denied being in mom’s basement. Maybe griff finds that image useful as misdirection. I dunno. I’ll stop if griff asks.)

But! I claim an exemption for Al Gore. He’s totally amoral, immoral, thieving, conniving, sell-his-sister to the highest bidder, say anything that puts him ahead or will make money, even at the expense or death of the poorest. Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if I heard that he palms money from the collection plate. And those are his good qualities. SPIT!!

Draw a line down the middle of a sheet of paper and put the people he has helped in the lefthand column and the people he has harmed in the righthand column. In the LH column is a single entry, himself, Al Gore. In the righthand column and continuing for 856,902 pages are all the people he has harmed or scammed. (They are still working on that list.)

Maybe later in the thread I’ll write about his bad qualities and really light into him, but suffice it to say, I despise that sex-crazed poodle.

John Burdick
July 25, 2022 11:25 am

Every big movement has a Goebbels behind it to keep the lie in the mainstream view. The complicit media is equally to blame for spreading this far and wide.

Tom Abbott
July 25, 2022 11:26 am

There is no evidence human-caused climate change is real, therefore, there is no evidence than any human has been killed by human-caused climate change, so Gore’s comparison to the Uvalde deaths is way off the mark.

Gore is one of those people who should have a special place in Hell prepared for them.

GeologyJim
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2022 3:57 pm

I’m reminded of Dante’s 9 levels of HeLL

Level 7 – Those who commit violent acts against others: murderers, rapists, torturers
Level 8 – Those who commit fraud: panderers, seducers, liars, thieves
Level 9 – Those who commit treachery: traitors to country and/or family

That’s as bad as it gets – there ain’t no Level 10.

Dante got it right. Unfortunately, we have far too many sterling examples from future inhabitants of Levels 8 and 9 in the public sphere today.

Frank S.
July 25, 2022 11:49 am

I do not deny that climate exists. I do deny the lies invented about it.

Michael in Dublin
July 25, 2022 11:52 am

Gore has his analogy a bit backward.
Who is going to be most harmed by the climate alarmists?
Children and their children.
So alarmists and politicians with their climate policies are like the gunman
and the naive public like those police who stood by and refused to take him out.

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Joe Gordon
July 25, 2022 11:56 am

There have always been opportunists like Spotted Al Gore who can’t figure out and purposefully distort scientific findings. We see another one leading the World Health Organization.

What’s different these days is a complicit media. The media is far more interested in setting up an Orwellian Ministry of Information than in reporting on stories and helping the public learn more about the world.

It’s no surprise that polls indicate less than 20% of Americans trust the media these days, putting it on the same tier of infamy as Congress itself.

Gore would be ignored or ridiculed at best if the media had any integrity.

Mr.
July 25, 2022 11:57 am

This post has 41 comments now, but NOT ONE from the usual alarmist flogs defending / excusing their “climate champion” AL Gore.

It’s just one telling example that the whole “climate crisis” theme is supported by frauds and lurkers.

Vuk
July 25, 2022 12:06 pm

climate deniers are … similar to all of those … law … officers in Uvalde, Texas” translation:
Old Joe is too old to run again in 2024. I’m just as stupid and will be only 76, so I’m announcing my candidacy.

Gunga Din
July 25, 2022 12:08 pm

Al missed a golden opportunity.
He could have claimed that beams that got through his ozone “hole” penetrated the officers’ brains creating an imbalance in their natural CO2 blood chemistry magnified by the presence of Man’s CO2 in their bloodstream.
(They’re lucky they didn’t go blind like those rabbits in New Zealand!)
He could have justified all his past claims instead of, once again, looking like an ethics-less, clueless idiot.

fretslider
July 25, 2022 12:38 pm

Obviously, the ‘linkage’ to holocaust denial is no longer enough for Gore and his ilk.

They are everything they claim to be against, intolerant, often violent and hateful

Gore’s latest bout of bad form speaks volumes

gDavid
July 25, 2022 12:40 pm

I just wonder if he is Greta’s dad. They both are not high on the intelligence scale.

Right-Handed Shark
July 25, 2022 12:44 pm

If Al Gore fell deep in the woods, would anyone hear the shot?

Asking for a friend..

H.R.
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
July 25, 2022 8:47 pm

Too philosophical, RHS. However, I’m 97% sure no one would report hearing a shot.

(OK. I made up that 97% and I have no doubt I lowballed it. For example, I didn’t poll his family, who would say, “What shot? I didn’t hear any shot. Nobody saw me take the shot. You can’t prove I took the shot.”**


** ala Bart Simpson

(edit to credit Bart Simpson.)

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Nik
July 25, 2022 12:46 pm

Who brought this guy out of deep hibernation? I thought he was on his way to Venus to show us what could happen to Earth. Has all the money he got from Al Jazeera been spent and he needs to shill some more?

Gunga Din
Reply to  Nik
July 25, 2022 2:06 pm

Al looked at Brandon and the current Dems and the last election and figured, “Hey! Maybe just a recount of just Dade County would work this time!”

H.R.
Reply to  Gunga Din
July 25, 2022 8:59 pm

“I coulda bin a contendah!”

Mumbles McGuirck
July 25, 2022 12:53 pm

all of those almost 400 law enforcement officers in Uvalde, Texas

I think ol’ Al has a numeracy problem. He once said the Earth’s interior was several million degrees.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NQHJIseqng
I saw the video of the Uvalde cops in the corridor outside the classroom. Maybe a couple dozen or more. Include a score more outside the school. So he’s off by about an order of magnitude.

Carlo, Monte
July 25, 2022 12:53 pm

Algore is an idiot.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 25, 2022 2:17 pm

But a rich one. His Daddy had both money (tobacco) and political influence on a national scale (Senator). Kind of like Hunter Biden without the crack cocaine pictures. Don’t know about any hooker pictures, though.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 26, 2022 8:53 am

Don’t forget the OIL money (Occidental Petroleum I believe it was).

Irony! And yet, typical of the Climate Fascists.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 25, 2022 12:59 pm

From the above article:
“Apart from his personal energy extravagance, Gore has made some embarrassing public mistakes over the years when it comes to science.”

Well, he’s continuing to this day to make such embarrassing mistakes!

In an “interview” on NBC’s Sunday July 24 Meet the Press TV program, Al Gore spouted off a bunch of misinformation and falsehoods, among the worst of which were this (referring to an image of the “thin blue line” of the Earth’s atmosphere as photographed nearly edge-on and enlarged as a backdrop to him):
“You know, what you see behind me is a picture from the space station showing how thin the atmosphere is. If you could drive to the top of that blue line, drive straight up in the air at interstate highway speeds, you’d get to the top of that line in about five minutes.”
— direct quote from transcript of interview available at https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meet-press-july-24-2022-n1297457

Now, how utterly stupid is that!  Let’s assume an “interstate highway speed” of 70 mph. That’s about 1.17 miles per minute. So five minutes at that speed would cover a distance of 5.83 miles, or about 9.4 km.

Most of the world scientists familiar with Earth’s atmosphere agree that the “top of the atmosphere” is conveniently defined to be at an altitude of ~100 km:
“. . . for scientists studying the balance of incoming and outgoing energy on the Earth, it is conceptually useful to think of the altitude at about 100 kilometers above the Earth as the ‘top of the atmosphere.’ “
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov

So, Mr. Al Gore—self-proclaimed “climate expert” and Nobel Prize winner that he is—only missed the actual depth of Earth’s atmosphere (that “blue line”) by an order-of-magnitude!

Moreover, most commercial wide-body jet aircraft flying today can operate at altitudes up to 40,000 feet (7.6 miles) and many private business jet can fly higher, up to about 45,000 feet (8.5 miles) altitude. So, as Al Gore ventures about in his (chartered) private jets or even demeans himself to take a commercial passenger jet flight, he has been apparently oblivious to the fact that he is flying above the altitude where he thinks the atmosphere ceases to exist.

Finally, it is hilarious to see what a fool Gore makes of himself otherwise in that NBC Meet the Press interview . . . and how show host Chuck Todd presents himself to be a pampering, fawning, bootlicking admirer of Gore by not challenging a single statement made by him, and even going so far as this (again, taken directly from the transcript):
“CHUCK TODD:
I’m not going to let you go without asking you this: Australia’s election was a climate change election. And you talked about, “In order to get that political will.” Jay Inslee tried to run a climate-focused campaign and it didn’t get off the ground. Why not you, Al Gore?
FMR. VICE PRES. AL GORE:
Why not me, as a candidate?
CHUCK TODD:
Leading a climate change presidential campaign in the future.”

At this point, words fail me.

John Garrett
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 25, 2022 1:20 pm

I think I’m going to puke.

stinkerp
July 25, 2022 1:01 pm

Climate alarmists are like the Democrats working to elect Hillary Clinton who commissioned a fake dossier on Donald Trump to get their way and the Democrats and the media that perpetuated the lie to get their way. Coincidentally most, if not all of them, also happen to be climate alarmists.

The big question is, what is that they want so badly?

Control. They want control. Or power if you will. The power to make you do what they want.

If we only had a simple four letter adjective to describe such behavior: creating lies and unquestioningly perpetuating lies to achieve power and control. Sounds almost biblical.

Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
July 25, 2022 1:25 pm

Al who?

Warner Vaughan
July 25, 2022 1:31 pm

ManBearPig!

Derg
Reply to  Warner Vaughan
July 25, 2022 3:08 pm

A really good Southpark

Robert B
July 25, 2022 1:57 pm

Anyone can do the analogy game.

Alarmism is like the morning after a boozy dinner. You panic when you see the red wee, vowing to give up the demon booze, then you remember you had roasted beetroot.

You get your point across and with no need to be offensive.

Stephen Skinner
July 25, 2022 2:11 pm

This is sick. Using someone else’s tragedy as if there is some equivalence between the Uvalde massacre and climate and weather that people experience. What is the link and where are the people being ‘murdered’ by someone using the weather?

July 25, 2022 2:13 pm

What Algore seems to allude to is that the climate alarmists that attack rather than engage in civil negotiation are a proxy for the deluded and deranged gunman. As always evil prevails when good men do nothing.

James Davidson
July 25, 2022 2:34 pm

Poor Al . . . if he had only won his home state of Tennessee, he would have been president. But he din’t . . .

Even Tipper got tired of his flaccid ideological tripe; yet, he is undeterred in his attempt to beg for attentive relevance. We need ‘less Ron,’ not a ‘mo’ron’ . . . 😀

On another note, I drove from Austin, TX to Gunnison, CO a couple of days ago and was struck by the difference in landscape South of Santa Fe, NM and North of it. Staggering, really. All green North of Santa Fe and desperately dry to the South of it.

Here’s a climate study from 2014 pronouncing the 11-year drought of the 1930s as the worst drought in 1,000 years. Seems like I’ve heard this somewhere before . . .

NASA study [from 2014] finds 1934 had worst drought of last thousand years

“A new study using a reconstruction of North American drought history over the last 1,000 years found that the drought of 1934 was the driest and most widespread of the last millennium.

Using a tree-ring-based drought record from the years 1000 to 2005 and modern records, scientists from NASA and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory found the 1934 drought was 30 percent more severe than the runner-up drought (in 1580) and extended across 71.6 percent of western North America. For comparison, the average extent of the 2012 drought was 59.7 percent.”

https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2175/nasa-study-finds-1934-had-worst-drought-of-last-thousand-years/

James Davidson
July 25, 2022 2:54 pm

No need to wonder why Tipper went on to ‘greener’ pastures . . .

ResourceGuy
July 25, 2022 3:07 pm

Thank you again for the hanging chads of Florida.

Bobby K
July 25, 2022 3:09 pm

Ok so I’m trying to ask the skeptics to please explain how you know it’s not real science? I’m not arguing, I’m just trying to understand. There’s so many people saying that we’re doomed, that this is the end, that we’ve gone past any point of return and there’s now nothing we can do. The latest climate report says it’s code red for humanity. They go on about the accelarating rate that the heat and melt is happening. How the arctic is heating up warmer than anywhere in the world, 4 times faster, they go on about how much Greenland is melting and the amount of water going into the ocean. deforestation, major droughts, extreme heatwaves like the ones going on right now in America and over in Britain, people are freaking out, the reports that the warming is happening much much faster than the models could have predicted, that the scientists are downplaying it and not revealing how bad things really are, they say the tipping points have been passed, that positive feedback loops are going to make things very bad and soon, they say this is going to cause the collapse of civilazation, massive food and water shortages, extreme longer droughts, extreme longer heat waves, mass migrations, human extinction, they say all of this IS happening, some are arguing within a couple of years and a lot of people are agreeing with that and defending that it is true, they say that the deniers and skeptics don’t understand the science and make their arguments without providing facts. I don’want any of this to be true, I don’t want to keep feeling like I’ve brought my 8 month old daughter into a doomed world where she has no future or at least a very dark and bleak one so please I’m asking, not because of previous predictions that didn’t come true, not just because of doomsday predictions being made for thousands of years but I’m asking currently, in the present, with everything that people are saying is going on and is happening, how do you know that none of them are correct. Not because of the past but because of the present, with science, how do you know that you’re correct and that they’re wrong? I’m not doubting or arguing, I’m just trying to understand. I’m not trying to come off as alarmist, I’m just terrified and hoping to find that none of this is as bad as they’re making it sound, so please if you have it in you at all to help out a total stranger who is seriously about to lose it, I’m trying not to kill myself, please I am begging for help. Please explain how in science, in present times right now you know that you all are right and that they’re wrong. Please use science to explain this.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Bobby K
July 25, 2022 5:25 pm

“I’m not doubting or arguing, I’m just trying to understand.”

OK. I believe you.

A good place to start is by reading books on the subject . . . that is, get informed. This site offers links to many good books that provide exactly what you are looking for. For starters, I would recommend the book “Climate at a Glance” by Anthony Watts and James Taylor (advertised at top of this article on far right . . . also a free digital copy is available via https://climateataglance.com/ ) and the book “Politics and Climate Change: A History” by Andy May.

If you are looking for someone to spoon feed you arguments that you can then pass on to others without understanding of the science behind the reasoning, you’ve come to the wrong place . . . the topic of “climate change” is so multifold and complex that no single variable (such as atmospheric CO2 concentration changes) can explain it or be a means to control it.

Knowledge/wisdom, like respect, is something that cannot be handed out . . . it has to be earned.

Seize on the old adage: “The truth shall make your free.”

And trust me when I say that 99% of what the MSM and climate alarmists are fronting these days about climate emergencies and “catastrophic climate change” is pure, unadulterated bull-$hit.

Don’t panic. Your daughter can sleep well.

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Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 25, 2022 5:51 pm

Booby K a troll. Don’t believe him. Don’t feed him. His gig is to beg for info, while dodging the issue at hand. Which is the latest excretion from that slime dog warmunista punk Algore, a despicable subhuman.

Bobby K
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
July 26, 2022 3:53 pm

I assure you I’m not a troll, just haven’t found the answers I’ve been hoping to find

TonyG
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
July 26, 2022 9:06 am

Gordon, Bobby has asked these questions and been given answers several times already, and he keeps coming back asking them over and over. Either he isn’t paying attention or he’s a troll. Or both.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  TonyG
July 26, 2022 9:43 am

If what you say is true, I have offered him a means to seek truth and become wise.

If he is not interested in such, more the pity, but I will not shed a tear for him nor regret my direct reply to him.

The Heptones had it right when they sang:
“. . . common people like you and me,
We’ll be builders for eternity.
Each is given a bag of tools, a shapeless mass,
And the book of rules.”

Perhaps Bobby K failed in well-forming his “shapeless mass” because he either didn’t use all the tools available in his “bag” or because he intentionally did not read all the Rules.

His problem, not mine.

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Bobby K
Reply to  TonyG
July 26, 2022 6:21 pm

I was just hoping for a specific scientific explanation debunking the alarmists. I wasn’t aware it was more complicated than that. So many people, not just scientists and media, but people in general are saying that this is happening and it’s only going to get worse and quickly. They’re scared, I’m beyond scared and I was just hoping to find something to make all this anxiety and worries go away

TonyG
Reply to  Bobby K
July 27, 2022 7:38 am

“I was just hoping for a specific scientific explanation debunking the alarmists”

You say you’re not a troll, but you keep coming back with the same questions and you have been given several answers, many with specific links, and others providing you specific things to look up. All of your concerns have been addressed in answers you have gotten in the past, but you continue to ignore that in favor of living in fear based on wild unsupported predictions by panic-mongers.

If you’re not a troll, you need to seek help to deal with your anxiety.

Bobby K
Reply to  TonyG
July 27, 2022 1:41 pm

But none of the answers have been directly referenced to anything that I specifically ask. What I’ve mostly been asking or hoping for is a good solid debunking against the claims made by Sam Carana on the arctic news site and Guy Mcpherson that because of the melting ice and permafrost that huge amounts of methane are going to get released and because of tipping points and positive feedback loops it’s going to cause human extinction by 2026 or within this decade, a lot of people look at the research and evidence provided by Sam Carana at the arctic news site and say that the science is sound, precise, accurate, that he’s correct. I want them to be very very wrong so I was hoping to find a good debunking but no one seems to be addressing or debunking these claims which makes me worry it can’t be done. If I’m wrong, please I beg of you, prove me wrong.

TonyG
Reply to  Bobby K
July 27, 2022 2:50 pm

because of tipping points and positive feedback loops it’s going to cause human extinction by 2026 or within this decade

Well AOC said we had 12 years back in 2020, that’s 2032. That’s just as credible. The comments here, links you’ve been given previously, and the archives around here provide plenty of information to show where that “prediction” is wrong. The IPCC itself doesn’t even come close to such a suggestion.

You have chosen to believe a panic-monger for some reason, and are dwelling on the fear. There is nothing anyone here can do to help you until you choose differently.

Mr.
Reply to  Bobby K
July 25, 2022 5:38 pm

Bobby K, I suggest you start by pondering all the many UNANSWERED questions that agw proponents haven’t addressed, and use that as your basis for further research to finding that extraordinary evidence that is required to support extraordinary claims (remembering that the onus for observation / evidence / experiment is always on the party making the hypothesis / claims).

Why not start with –
what caused the Little Ice Age?
what ended the Little Ice Age?
what started the Roman Warm Period?
what ended the Roman Warm Period?
what started the 1930s devastating sustained hot weather period and drought in North America (read Grapes of Wrath)?
what ended this unusual prolonged weather event?

The uncontested (and uncontestable) answer to these questions Bobby is that it could not have had anything to do with atmospheric CO2 levels, being as how they were very much lower than they have been since the start to “manmade global warming” claims in the 1970s.

Also, it’s instructive to read the documented history of “extreme weather events”, and accept that there is nothing happening in contemporary times that has not happened to the same or more severity either prior to after the Industrial Revolution.

Just a ~ 4% change in cloudiness exerts more warming / cooling effects on land and oceans than all of man’s measurable contributions of CO2 to the atmosphere.

We need to be able to comprehend natural clouds behaviors before we get bent out of shape over vaunted manmade CO2 influences.

Come along for the information discovery ride here Bobby – it’s very interesting.

Above all – “don’t worry, be happy”

Bobby K
Reply to  Mr.
July 26, 2022 2:32 pm

Ok so what are your arguments towards those who say that the roman and medevil warm periods were local and not global? That even though climate change in the past has been cyclical and natural that because of human interaction that this is unprecendented and happening at an accerating rate? People in general are very scared at watching what’s happening around and in front of them. Record breaking heatwaves, longer Summers, dangearous wild fires happening more frequently, 100 year storms happening more frequently, people talking about how long they’ve been without rain and there’s no rain in sight for the future, crops failing, people talking about how the weather where they live isn’t the same anymore, it’s warmer when it shouldn’t be and for longer periods, I’ve read comments from people in Alaska who are scared saying it’s not as cold, ice is thawing, they’re having wild fires, people in India are in 120 degree weather and struggling more and more for water and are terrified. There are many people talking on youtube, reddit and a lot of other sources about climate change and so many comments from many people who are scared and talking about how bad things are going to get, doomers are screaming about how screwed we are. If there’s an alternative explanation to all of this that has nothing to do with greenhouse gases getting trapped and causing heat I’m seriously all ears and willing to listen so please. What are your arguments to what I previously asked and can you give an explanation to why all this is happening that won’t scare the crap out of me and help me stop worrying that I’ve brought a child into a doomed world?

Mr.
Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 5:00 pm

Step 1 Bobby would be quit Facebook and Reddit.

Step 2 would be stop reading click-bait alarmist media. And Wikipedia.

Step 3 would be exploring the historical archives to grasp from contemporary documents what has happened with weather / climate(s) in all regions before and after the Industrial Revolution.

Step 4 would be – put whatever each day’s weather brings you down to experience and learn to live with it. Because there’s bugger-all anyone can do to change it.

MarkW
Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 5:56 pm

People can “say” anything they want. Unfortunately for them, the actual data refutes what they want to believe. LIA and MWP were both global, and the MWP was warmer than today.

Mark BLR
Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 4:53 am

I’m asking currently, in the present, with everything that people are saying is going on and is happening, how do you know that none of them are correct.

We don’t “know” any such thing (with 100% cast-iron guaranteed certainty), and neither does “Science”.

“Science” is a process of elimination of conjectures (/ hypotheses / theories / paradigms) as more “evidence” — i.e. empirical measurements made by (correctly calibrated) scientific instruments in the real world — becomes available, it isn’t a state of “blind, unswerving belief” in a particular theory or “expert”.

There’s so many people saying that we’re doomed, that this is the end, that we’ve gone past any point of return and there’s now nothing we can do. The latest climate report says it’s code red for humanity.

… they say this is going to cause the collapse of civilization, massive food and water shortages, extreme longer droughts, extreme longer heat waves, mass migrations, human extinction, they say all of this IS happening, some are arguing within a couple of years and a lot of people are agreeing with that and defending that it is true …

The “scientific” response to such claims is something like :
“OK, what supporting evidence do you have for those bald assertions ?”

For genuine scientists it doesn’t matter how many people “agree with” a given opinion, the only thing that matters is : “What does the actual empirical data say ?”

In the past “some have argued” that Arctic sea ice will “disappear” (go below the 1 million sq. km. limit) “within a couple of (or ten) summers”.

Those “some people” turned out to always be wrong.

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“Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.” — Richard Feynman

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Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 12:04 pm

You are asking an important question but asking it the wrong way.

”how in science, in present times right now you know that you are right and that they’re wrong”

It is not necessary nor possible to prove a negative in most cases. Think of an atheist trying to prove to a religious believer that God doesn’t exist.
Science is not the process of proving one side of a debate wrong. When a scientific hypothesis about the way the natural world works is made, the next step is to make predictions about what one should observe in the real world if the hypothesis is correct. As long as one then tests those predictions against observations in the real world, and finds the observations match the predictions the hypothesis remains possibly true but not proven. As soon as observations are different from the prediction one must assume the hypothesis is in some way wrong.

All of the scary end-of-times predictions you have been reading are like the predictions of a hypothesis. None of them have come true and many of them are past their prediction date and therefor negate the hypothesis. Most of these predictions were made from computer climate models which, if the makers of those models were honest, would have been tossed aside as not fit for purpose. The models are essentially the hypothesis and the hypothesis has been invalidated.

Having said that, all you can conclude is the people making scary predictions are using invalidated hypotheses to do so and should not be taken seriously. The next step is to ask who has valid hypotheses and models of climate we can still rely on based on predictions that match observations. So far the most accurate climate model is Russian and it predicts very modest warming of no concern, uses a climate sensitivity for atmospheric CO2 on the very low end, and predicts temperatures close to what have been observed.

All the tabloid fixation on heat waves, floods, fires, melting ice, etc. is not scientific evidence. It is a long list of scary anecdotes and all the events reported are events that happened in the past just as they do now. Unless there is a statistical change in the frequency or severity of such events that is persistent over time you can’t and should not conclude anything from these anecdotes. Remember it is colder now than it has been for several thousand years. The warming measured in the last 100-150 years is trivial and more beneficial than harmful as far as life int eh biosphere is concerned. What would be catastrophic is a return to full ice age conditions of 18,000 years ago (a spec of time in human and Earth history) and that outcome is far more likely that rapid out of control warming.

Finally expertise and consensus mean nothing. I am a physician and scientist and can tell you most of what is published by experts and agreed to in consensus documents in the medical field is without real scientific merit, and very frequently with more scientific investigation is proven false and potentially harmful. It is money, drive for reputation and drive for power that makes this the case. Being correct isn’t a requirement to publish, be an expert, or run a scientific organization.

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 1:42 pm

Bobby, stop putting so much emphasis on “science.” Science can’t create a computerized crystal ball no matter how sophisticated the model. A “global average temperature” isn’t science, it’s a math trick. The reality is that scientists are flawed humans like everybody else and sometimes they present science in a deceitful way. Sometimes they outright lie.
Go take a walk outside, wherever you live, and ask yourself if it has become unlivable there due to rising average temperatures. I can’t think of any place on Earth that has become a ghost town because of a rising global average temperature or sea level. Trust your own 5 senses. Go to the beach, climb a mountain, go skiing, or river rafting. It’s a beautiful world and will be for eons.

Reply to  Bobby K
July 26, 2022 5:38 pm

You may find that the older you become the more you begin to recognise that much of what younger people claim to be unprecedented is not that different from what you may have experienced whilst younger. However you need to take into account the amount of time the current generation spend living in artificially controlled climates in homes, offices, cars, public transport such as they have lost the ability to adapt to natural conditions outdoors. Perhaps ask the old people who have spent the majority of their life outdoors and see how much different the extreme events now are different to those a lifetime ago.
I will concede that perhaps wild fires may be more severe, but given the extra growth due to the CO2 fertilisation effect and the tendency for the authorities to extinguish smaller fires that would regularly reduce the forest fuel loads, it is inevitable that any subsequent fires will have larger fuel loads than what would have occurred if man had let nature run it’s course.

Peter K
July 25, 2022 6:48 pm

To think that our governments are spending billions, on “climate change”, based on this fool’s predictions.

Juan Slayton
July 25, 2022 7:53 pm

I believe there was one officer who attempted to enter the classroom to save his wife. He was physically stopped by the consensus.
Mr. Gore needs to revise his analogy.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Juan Slayton
July 26, 2022 9:50 am

Al Gore is not about to admit that the Uvalde police officers were—ahem—frozen in fear.

AGW is Not Science
July 26, 2022 4:56 am

Non-sequitor there, Fat Albert. The Uvalde threat was real. Your ‘climate’ crap is hypothetical bullshit.

The former called for decisive action; the latter does not.

And ironically, far more misery, suffering and death will result if people heeded your bullshit than if they ignored it.

DonM
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
July 26, 2022 8:45 pm

For the analogy to work, the police would have had to descend on the school, sans any kind of a shooter, and take out 20% of all the kids (not just that fourth grade room … the whole school), with the follow up justification:

“a school shooter may come, someday in the future, and if there are less kids in the way at that time, then we will be better able to do our jobs and stop the shooter (in that projected future).”

July 26, 2022 7:26 am

The police do NOT have an obligation to put their lives in danger. On the other hand, the military members are expected to get killed in the performance in the military.

PS: Yes, I am a veteran with an Honorable Discharge, and about one year in my service, I realized that fact. I also reenlisted after my first term, but I didn’t after that, as I was being “Divorce-raped” by ex-wife.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Kevin Benko
July 28, 2022 12:11 pm

“On the other hand, the military members are expected to get killed in the performance in the military.”

Oh, so wrong on so many levels.

Didn’t you ever watch the movie Patton, where actor George C. Scott playing General Patton of WWII fame, delivers these immortal words:
“Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country.”

Words to live by, literally.

Snarling Dolphin
July 27, 2022 5:05 pm

If I ever have the chance I’m going to plant Al Gore’s butt on top of a fence post. Lord knows he can’t get there himself.

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