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On episode 13 of Climate Change Roundtable, Climate Change Roundtable Host Andy Singer and Heartland’s Linnea Lueken and Jim Lakely cover the truth about global carbon dioxide emissions and the indispensable nature of fossil fuels.

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April 29, 2022 9:29 am

Please be not so obsessed with CO2!
a) Including overlaps, which “climate science” is strictly ignoring, CO2 can not produce much forcing. We are only talking about 2W/m2 for a doubling.
b) “feedbacks” are largely fictious. Although I analyzed it more in detail, showing how vapor is a negative feedback all over (radiative vs. lapse rate feedback), you can have the same from Lord Monckton. It is true, the biggest “forcing” is the sun and Earth is way too close to its “black body temperature” of 279K (=342^0.25/5.067e-8 = 278.7) for any major feedbacks to even exist.
c) Think of contrails and the haze they leave behind. It is extremely cold at ~220K, emitting only about 130W/m2, or even less. That is while contrails, or ice clouds in general, have a pretty low albedo of only about 50%.Because of it, the LW warming effect far exceeds the SW albedo effect by almost 2:1. They are a very powerful forcing.

https://greenhousedefect.com/contrails-a-forcing-to-be-reckoned-with
(more to come..)

Old Man Winter
Reply to  E. Schaffer
April 29, 2022 2:21 pm

It’s amazing how the climate discussion is quite misguided. CO2’s definitely not the
“Magic Molecule™” it’s been proclaimed to be. It’s a GHG but not the most important one-
H2O is. It’s GHG effect on temperature is quite weak as that effect’s logarithmic, which
is weaker than both linear or exponential. It needs to double twice as much as it did
last time to get the same effect. Where it is a necessity- as food for plants which in
turn make oxygen which animals breathe- The Team™ wants to diminish it’s power. It’s heat
capacity is << H2O & it’s a lot rarer than H20 so it can’t move a lot of heat from the
tropics to where it’s needed in the polar regions. Since it’s invisible- to everyone but
Greta- it has no albedo effect. CO2 can lower seawater ph a small amount.

H2O is the real “Magic Molecule™”. It’s total GHG effect is 4X that of CO2. It’s essential
to life as is CO2. The oceans’ heat capacity”s on the order of 1000X as big as the
atmosphere. A 0.001°K change in ocean temperature’s as much energy as a 1°K change
in the atmosphere. (So why not be more concerned about ocean temperature than the much,
much smaller air temperature?) Seawater evaporation transfers >500X the heat 1°K as it
takes to raise those same molecules when it was water. The heat of water vapor can be
blown off into space by a thunderstorm so it’s no longer available to heat the earth on
its way to the poles, where it would then normally rise into space.

The new clouds formed raise the albedo from <0.1 to ~0.9. If it falls as snow, that same
high albedo is maintained. If it falls back into the ocean as rain, it’s albedo returns
to its lower state. If the sea forms ice, its albedo is 0.3-0.4- quite a big range in
albedo depending on its form! As water vapor, it can interact with biological aerosols
& cosmic rays to form clouds. Fresh H2O may have shut down the Atlantic Conveyor causing
the Younger Dryas. H2O has a lot of tricks up its sleeve to affect climate whereas CO2’s
~ a one-trick pony. If you want to know how the earth’s climate works, it would be wiser
to study places where the action is- which usually involves H2O in its many forms.

griff
April 29, 2022 9:39 am

The truth is CO2 is having a severe climate impact…

For example right now more than a billion people across south Asia are facing a record-breaking heat wave which leaves them ‘gasping in whatever shade they find.

Temperatures in northern India and Pakistan have spiked to 47 degrees Celsius after Pakistan already suffered its hottest March for 61 years.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 9:51 am

Once upon a time, … and they lived happily ever after. The End! 😉

Richard Page
Reply to  Old Man Winter
April 29, 2022 12:32 pm

Griffy means India, not necessarily South Asia. Right now they are experiencing typical pre-monsoon weather with temperatures up to 43C (temperatures at this time of year often hit 50C) and infrequent ‘mango showers’ which provide needed precipitation for early crops like mangoes and coffee. The BBC is hyping the ‘heatwaves’ across India but the truth is that this pre-monsoon weather is typical for this time of year and is not unusual in any way.
Griffy – stop watching weather channels for gullible morons and then spewing it out all over the rest of us, will you?

Call me a skeptic
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 9:59 am

Cherry pick much? You can always find extreme examples of hot and cold spells on this planet at the same time. CO2 is a trace gas that makes up about .04% of our atmosphere and has no impact on hot or cold spells. Belief in CO2 as the demon that controls our planet is for idiots and opportunists. The whole argument that an increase of approx 100 parts a million of CO2 in the atmosphere causing catastrophic warming is beyond rediculous.

Jack Mitchell
Reply to  Call me a skeptic
April 29, 2022 2:30 pm

The carbon controls climate crowd never is asked to explain how controlling the 4% that humans add to CO2’s emissions and account for 4% of the GH Effect will end global warming. It’s a statistical impossibility.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 10:09 am

… its hottest March for 61 years.

In other words, not unprecedented!

Mr.
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 10:17 am

The truth is . . .

Whenever I see a statement beginning with these 3 words, I have come to understand that I’m about be served a family-sized pile of bullshit.

You’re nothing if not dependable on this score Griff.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Mr.
April 30, 2022 8:23 am

Well, you need not read that far, as soon as you see “Griff,” you know the steaming pile of manure will follow.

Martin Mason
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 10:21 am

Griff, there is not a shred of evidence that Climate is changing outside of its historical ranges. Or can yo actually provide it.

Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 10:43 am

There is more than one reason for hot weather.. 😉

Old Man Winter
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 11:12 am

FJB’s Ministry of Truth chief Nina Jankowicz may have imploded even before she could get
airborne. Griffo’s definitely more than qualified to do her job if she’s canned! 😮

Scissor
Reply to  Old Man Winter
April 29, 2022 2:22 pm

Leftists are insane.

whiten
Reply to  Old Man Winter
April 30, 2022 4:24 am

Wow.
This one makes Scaramucci, Avenatti and Fauxi at Al, look like sane Saints.
And AOC, definitely an Angel.

🙂

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Old Man Winter
April 30, 2022 8:26 am

I won’t give idiots ‘clicks’ to encourage them, so I’ll not be viewing the video.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 11:45 am

Griff, have you been monitoring the German Grid? On 27 April 2022 at 09:00 to 10:45 wind contributed less than 1GW out of an installed 63GW. There was a similar if a bit less dramatic performance on the morning of 29th when wind failed to supply more than 2GW. At the same the UK Grid was receiving less than 2GW from 25GW of installed wind.

This proves conclusively than low wind conditions extended from Shetland to Bavaria and from Cornwall to Saxony 1000 miles or more in either direction and probably a lot further.

No more fairy tales about wind being a reliable source of electricity

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 29, 2022 1:35 pm

Ben, what you found out is just the tip of the iceberg. If you look at
solar & wind potential maps of Europe, it makes no sense to put in
solar anywhere N of the Alps, like the UK. For wind, Ireland, the UK,
& the shoreline of the Continent from the Baltic to W France, as well
as the S of France make the most sense. Right now, the UK has a 50/50
mix of the two whereas a 20/80 solar/wind would have been much better!

You can use these sites to keep Griffo honest:

https://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
https://gridwatch.co.uk/SOLAR
https://gridwatch.co.uk/WIND
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/uk/london/historic (global)

The average power demand in the UK is ~30GW, with solar averaging ~1.2GW
& wind 5.6GW in 2021. They’re both rated @ ~14GW. The lowest I found for
total production was on 3/28/22 @ 6am: 0.09% solar + 0.57% wind =
0.66% of a ~30GW daily avg. This was during a long stretch from
3/21-29/22 where London had ~7 days straight & 8 of 9 days where the
surface wind was <5mph; the other day averaged ~11mph, wind = ~11% of
30GW; Glasgow- 8 days <3.5mph & 1 day ~9mph. Solar was <5% UK daily avg
(~5% * 30GW= 1.5GW).

Other interesting dates are: 2/8-12/15 & 1/16-25/17- smog worse than
Beijing. Wind needs 7-9mph to generate power & ~20 mph to reach
their rated capacity. Having done a lot of airdrop from 500′-1100′, the
slower the wind on the ground, the smaller the rate of increase as you
gain altitude. At low winds, 150′-600′ will only average ~+1-3 mph > the
surface; at 10mph surface, ~+3-5mph.

If that isn’t bad enough, you find out they really, really need a YUGE miracle
for storage. In the UK, the rating for the batteries is 1.7GW & they hope to
reach 18GW by 2040. The average hrs per GW is ~1.2-1.5 meaning the current
stored NRG is ~2GWh to ~2.6GWh. From 2024-26, they’ll have 60% of the new
batteries be 2hr or better. UN-#%!@#@%!-BELIEVABLY INSANE!!! They use
720GWh/day. For their sake, I’m HOPING I made a math error. I hadn’t found
any data for other storage sources other than stored hydro (Greens’ worst NME)-
dams @ 2.8GW. That would be ~65GWh/day. Still a drop in the bucket vs
~5TWh in a week!

Green NRG will be about as reliable as Griffo telling the truth!

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Old Man Winter
April 29, 2022 2:01 pm

DipChip- April 27, 2022 2:35 pm- Similar analysis for the USA (vs 24/7 solar)

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/04/27/2021-the-year-renewables-lost-last-place/#comment-3507191

alexei
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 11:55 am

Where did you get your weather info from? It doesn’t tally with this meteorologist’s findings:-

Historic Freeze Returns To SE AsiaThe first week-or-so of May will see another unusually frigid mass of polar cold sweep Southeast Asia.
The cold air is forecast to descend as far south as Vietnam, Laos and Thailand.
After recently breaking its low temperature record for April, Laos is expected to bust its record low for May, too

https://electroverse.net/?mailpoet_router&endpoint=view_in_browser&action=view&data=WzQ3MCwiN2QxODViM2M1ZTdkIiwxODU3NSwiYjg1Y2FhZWFmNjU4YzBkZDE0ZTFhZWY0NjBiNjYxNjQiLDQ3MCwwXQ

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  alexei
April 30, 2022 8:35 am

You have to understand the mental Chinese Wall that the Climate Nazis and their useful idiots have for any information that undermines their belief system. Griff spoke about “hottest March in 61 years.” They’ll stoop as low as “Hottest Thursday during a full Moon in 50 years” if that’s all they can dredge up – all the record cold temperatures or good weather news in the world won’t permeate their empty heads, because all information that challenges their belief system is simply filtered out while the the next ‘climate’ sound bite they can conjure is trumpeted.

b.nice
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 1:39 pm

The rabid nonsense bot that calls itself griff, strikes again.

Neville
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 4:01 pm

Here’s the co2 emissions from all countries since 1970 and you’ll note that the COMBINED emissions from the USA and the EU haven’t changed for 52 years.
So Griff please tell us how you’ll influence or change the SOARING co2 emissions from China, India and the other poor developing countries? Add them up and you have about 66% of the world’s co2 emissions and of course they are increasing every year and every decade.
The USA + EU haven’t increased co2 emissions for half a century, YET you ignore the countries that are increasing over that long period of time? When will you WAKE UP?

Neville
Reply to  Neville
April 29, 2022 4:03 pm

Sorry here’s the link to add to my comment above.

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Vincent
Reply to  griff
April 29, 2022 7:05 pm

“Temperatures in northern India and Pakistan have spiked to 47 degrees Celsius after Pakistan already suffered its hottest March for 61 years.”

So, 61 years ago when CO2 levels were much lower, there was an even hotter March. Doesn’t that imply that such unusual events are probably not related to CO2 rises, and are probably natural occurrences?

Njcons
Reply to  griff
April 30, 2022 6:13 am

So Pakistan was warmer 62 years ago? And it’s been cooler every year since?

but how can that be?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  griff
April 30, 2022 8:19 am

Which means 61 years ago it was hotter. AKA weather, not climate.

KAT
Reply to  griff
May 2, 2022 2:06 am

……..its hottest March for 61 years.

Sixty one years ago the atmospheric CO2 concentration was less than 330 ppm!!
Logically there must have been factors other than CO2 affecting the regional temperature.
Probably the same unknown factors were at play in 1961 as are during the present regional “heat wave”.
Magically (according to “climate scientists”) a CO2 concentration of less than 350 does not have any negative temperature consequences! /sarc on

leitmotif
April 29, 2022 4:15 pm

20 comments on here at the moment. 1 of them from griff and 17 of them replying to griff’s post.

Why???

griff is laughing his socks off. He’ll go back to the Guardian and brag how he got WUWT posters in a tizzy.

Don’t encourage him.

Mr.
Reply to  leitmotif
April 29, 2022 4:37 pm

I invariably learn new things from the comment replies to griff’s idiotic posts.

For example, the pathetic contributions of wind & solar to European countries’ electricity needs.

Plus, he occasionally links a comedy piece from The Guardian.

leitmotif
Reply to  Mr.
April 29, 2022 5:34 pm

Wow. I live such a sheltered life.

Richard Page
Reply to  Mr.
April 30, 2022 6:22 am

He usually does set up a nice big fat target for people to knock down all too easily and, in the process, bring facts and information to light that might not otherwise get discussed. He’s a delusional little fanboi of the climate hustlers and fraudsters, but he also serves a purpose (in a surreal, reversed sort of way).

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