Senior German Green Robert Habeck. By Sandro Halank, Wikimedia Commons, CC BY-SA 4.0, CC BY-SA 4.0, Link

German Green Party Embraces Coal, LNG and Nuclear

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t JoNova; Bye bye German green revolution – “There are no taboos on deliberations”, according to senior Green Party member Robert Habeck.

Nuclear, coal, LNG: ‘no taboos’ in Germany’s energy about-face

By Christoph SteitzRiham Alkousaa and Maria Sheahan

BERLIN, Feb 27 (Reuters) – Germany signalled a U-turn in key energy policies on Sunday, floating the possibility of extending the life-spans of coal and even nuclear plants to cut dependency on Russian gas, part of a broad political rethink following Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

In a landmark speech on Sunday, Chancellor Olaf Scholz spelled out a more radical path to ensure Germany will be able to meet rising energy supply and diversify away from Russian gas, which accounts for half of Germany’s energy needs.

“We must change course to overcome our dependence on imports from individual energy suppliers,” he said.

Germany is also weighing whether to extend the life-span of its remaining nuclear power plants as a way to secure the country’s energy supply, the country’s economy minister Robert Habeck, a member of the Greens, said.

Habeck also said letting coal-fired power plants to run longer than planned was an option, throwing into doubt Germany’s ambitious exit from coal, which is planned for 2030.

“There are no taboos on deliberations,” Habeck said, adding that it was Germany’s goal to ultimately choose which country will supply its energy.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-step-up-plans-cut-dependence-russia-gas-2022-02-27/

Germany needs an immediate solution to real energy problems caused by the Ukraine crisis, problems which cannot be solved by costly fake solutions like wind and solar.

Let us hope Green Party member Robert Habeck’s lead will inspire other Western politicians, to prioritise energy security over virtue signalling.

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Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 10:06 am

Good for them.

In my experience, Germans are, in general, an intelligent, shrewd, people.

They have sensitive (sometimes too much so) hearts, but their left hemispheres control.

Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 10:25 am

Instead of using brain earlier they need a war to realize, “green energy transition” is BS.

Last edited 2 months ago by Krishna Gans
Enginer01
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 11:09 am

It actually took a hot war to bring some sense to “Greens.” May be the ONLY positive thing to come out of the West’s ignoring Russia’s concern with being surrounded by NATO.

TonyG
Reply to  Enginer01
March 1, 2022 12:19 pm

It actually took a hot war to bring some sense to SOME “Greens.”

There’s plenty who still aren’t seeing it.

MarkW
Reply to  Enginer01
March 1, 2022 12:36 pm

Russia is nowhere close to be surrounded by NATO.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 1:10 pm

And even if they were, so what? NATO is a defensive organization. Don’t attack a member state and you have nothing to worry about.

Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 1:33 pm

😀 😀 😀

Seriously ? 😀 😀 😀

Kevin
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 1:46 pm

Defensive alliances tend to work against the dominant power in the alliance. The weaker powers tend to become more aggressive and provocative, increasing the likelihood of conflict. And once conflict breaks out, it is now far more likely to expand beyond what it would have without the alliance.

MarkW
Reply to  Kevin
March 1, 2022 2:04 pm

So, who has Belgium been attacking?

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 4:47 pm

All of Europe, with punitive taxes on air.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
March 2, 2022 9:31 am

Well there is THAT, but I think the word “attacking” was being used in the military sense there.

Streetcred
Reply to  Kevin
March 1, 2022 2:36 pm

… and your evidence is ?

Kevin
Reply to  Streetcred
March 3, 2022 7:34 am

WW1. Austria-Hungary had an alliance with Germany. This allowed A-H to take a hard line with Russia. France’s alliance with Britain and Russia did not deter Germany. So not only was war not deterred, it expanded beyond what it would have otherwise.

WW2. British and French security guarantees to Poland encouraged a Polish hard line with Germany yet did not deter Germany. The war did expand beyond what it would have otherwise.

NATO is not a counterexample. Nuclear weapons discouraged a european war. As both Britain and France had nuclear weapons, it is unlikely a european war would have broken out without US participation. If it did, it would certainly have expanded.

NATO did not deter the Balkan wars of the 1990s, nor did it deter 9/11. What did those european nations that supported the US war in Afghanistan get for their efforts?

Peloponnesian War. The Delian League and the Spartan League did not discourage war and the subsequent war dragged on for decades involving most Greek city-states.

Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 3:13 pm

What’s Russian for “yeah right”?

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Phil Salmon
March 1, 2022 6:09 pm

да правильно
da pravil’no courtesy of google

A few Russki political generals need to lose their jobs for screwing up the invasion. Having lost the opportunity for an elegant conquest, the commie thugs will probably go to their default strategy of brute force, which will lead to war crimes.

War crimes trials ala Nuremberg will be needed. There is precedent for in absentia trials and verdicts, as none of the soldiers are likely to be offered up by the Reds. Bormann was tried and sentenced to death in absentia at Nuremberg, though they didn’t know if he were still alive.

Shelling of civilian areas, a war crime, seems to have already occurred. Other war crimes will doubtless happen in the course of things. Take notes and get names, comrades.

Meanwhile back inside the Brandon Beltway, it’s all Trump’s fault, of course.

Robert J Doyle
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 1, 2022 6:56 pm

I do hope you are right about Russian generals’ screw-ups. However, it is beginning to look like a siege on each individual city.
This would require huge amounts of Russian resupply. It would be the tactics of Grant and Sherman on steroids.
However, that is what the aerials tell me. God help me be wrong.

Roger Clague
Reply to  Robert J Doyle
March 2, 2022 12:45 am

Siege is the right tactic in Ukraine
Allow civilians to leave and then starve the military.
Not German WW2 blitzkrieg or US total destruction and rebuild.

MarkW
Reply to  Roger Clague
March 2, 2022 7:05 am

They aren’t allowing the civilians to leave.

Richard Page
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 12:36 pm

Which is why the Russians announced the opening of ‘safe corridors’ out of Kyiv and we had pictures of civilians leaving via these routes. Do keep up.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 2, 2022 2:58 am

better yet- just hang Putin- I suspect the general had no interest in this- it’s all the doing of Czar Putin

Jtom
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 2, 2022 4:35 pm

I would be surprised if a few billionaire Russian Oligarchs weren’t doing cost-benefit analyses on doing just that. Besides having billions of dollars in property and rubles at risk, they may never see the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, US, etc again. I understand that Russia is rather boring in winter, and China isn’t a fun place at any time.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Jtom
March 2, 2022 4:44 pm

they could always vacation in N. Korea

TonyG
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 2, 2022 6:43 am

“Shelling of civilian areas, a war crime, seems to have already occurred.”

I heard that they are targeting hospitals and schools, and are using thermobaric weapons.

huls
Reply to  TonyG
March 2, 2022 10:57 am

Must have been inspired by the Americans then. Sad.

huls
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 2, 2022 10:55 am

A few Russki political generals need to lose their jobs for screwing up the invasion.”

At the moment they are doing much better than the US generals did in reaching Baghdad.

The 8 year slaughter of the people in Luhansk and Donetsk by the Ukrainian army has stopped and that alone is a superb Russian victory

Do not forget it was the Russians that beat the Germans in WW2 not the Americans. They only made the best movies about it.

Drake
Reply to  huls
March 2, 2022 9:04 pm

Moroon.

There was a several day dust storm that stopped all advances of the Marine Expeditionary Force going up the east side of Iraq.

That was the delay.

Funny thing is the storm blew so hard it exposed most of the minefields and the Marines then moved 60 miles a day after the storm to Bagdad.

You probably know this, but are trying to make some sort of point. Weather so far appears to have been fine in Ukraine so what is your excuse? I have heard that the Turkish drones provided to Ukraine are being used to destroy the fuel tankers and light vehicles leading convoys as to delay the advance, that is why the Russians are running out of fuel.

The problem with the US in Iraq was they moved so fast, they were not able to collect and secure or destroy all the arms left lying around, thus the mortar rounds turned into IEDs.

Biggest mistake in that war, in my opinion, was sending the army (1/3 of the invasion force) in ships in the Mediterranean that was supposed to go through Turkey home instead of in to Iraq to secure all those weapons. When I heard Dumbsfeld was sending them home, I blew a gasket.

As to the Russians defeating Germany, to a large extent you are correct. But they did it with tanks made from US steel, American made trucks, etc. etc. Hitler attacked Russia thinking his army would roll right over them, sort of like Putin thinking he could roll right over Ukraine.

Now Ukraine will defeat Russia using American stinger and javelin missiles, UK NLAW missiles and, possibly US pilots on furlough from the US military with Dual US Ukrainian citizenship flying in Ukrainian A 10 and F 15 E jets on lend lease to Ukraine. Look up the Flying Tigers for reference.

Maybe even some F117As brought out of retirement to take out Russian ground to air missile batteries. I knew some of the pilots who flew in Iraq. One told me he was preparing for a run on Bagdad at night, they always flew at night, and his sensors noted 2 F15s on a cross path with him. He had to turn on his lights so they would see him, they didn’t know he was there, under 1/2 mile away. His only fear over Bagdad was AA artillery which would start shooting after the first bombs went off, the Iraqis had no Idea were he, or any of the other F117As were. They could get lucky, or he could get unlucky.

Imagine what some A 10s would do to 40 miles of a sitting duck convoy. And the pilots who volunteer for that service would get the job done in a couple of days.

Of course that would probably end in Russian use of Nuclear weapons, probably international thermonuclear war, and we would find out how good US anti missile systems are now.

Unless Putin is attempting to sandbag the US into a war and they have WAY better equipment than would appear, Russia is done. I don’t mean just in Ukraine, I mean as a belligerent country. No one from the West wants to take over Russia, just let the people there have a good life. If they quit making weapons, they could raise YOUR standard of living by 30% or more.

I have seen Migs on the tarmac, 15 or 16 of them, different types, at Tonopah Air Force Base in Nevada. I think in the fall of 1985. I saw them fly, noisy they were. I saw the F117A fly there also, only at night, and only saw their lights and outline. They would fly right above the man camp (we were building hangers and other buildings, expanding the secured area of the base, and for a time, replacing a portion of the runway) on landing and you would not even hear them. This was before they were fully operational. You knew when the Migs were flying, they needed a drag chute to land, crappy breaks, and did I mention they were noisy. They were as noisy or noisier than 1960s F4 Phantoms.

So you are probably a patriot, for Russia, as I am for the US. It is time for our countries to stop playing war games against each other, proxy war here, proxy war there. The real threat to world peace is China, North Korea and Iran, all YOUR very close neighbors. Good luck with them.

Fred Middleton
Reply to  huls
March 4, 2022 12:18 pm

Oh? Russian Army was foot-bound. USA delivered just under 1/2million vehicles pre Normandy. Russian army then was a mounted army – USA war production. Germany Infantry foot bound.

Joel
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 3:26 pm

Libya.

Big Al
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 9:47 pm

NATO part of NWO. ? Putin attacking NWO. Could only be done with Trump absent. Officially

Roger Clague
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 12:42 am

Serbia, Iraq, Libya and Syria don’t agree.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 10:44 am

They have a thing against Nazis. The Nazis were responsible for killing about 20 million slavic people. And the Ukrainian nazis are genuine. The sons and grandsons of Nazis who aligned with Hitler.

https://fair.org/home/western-media-fall-in-lockstep-for-neo-nazi-publicity-stunt-in-ukraine/

MarkW
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
March 3, 2022 5:40 am

Ah yes, their grandfathers recognized the German’s as liberators from the Russians that had just finished using a manufactured famine to kill 10’s of millions of Ukrainians as liberators. And this justifies the Russians invading today. That’s pathetic.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 11:57 pm

NATO doesn’t have enough men, planes, tanks, or ships, to surround Russia, it’s just too big!!!

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 2:56 am

Russia should be far more worried about China since it stole a vast area of Siberia from China- all the way to the border of North Korea. China’s economy is many times greater than Russia and its millitary is growing stronger every day. After Russia’s economy collapses- China might want a reckoning.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 2, 2022 7:07 am

Given the shellacing Russia’s army is taking in the Ukraine, Russian may not have enough troops left to even think about defending Siberia.
If I were Xi, I would feint towards Taiwan, then take Siberia.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 10:54 am

Totally western propaganda. Since the west has no other options but to whine about what Putin is doing they make up stupid $shit like this. Putin wants regime change in Ukraine, but he doesn’t want to take over a failed state. He did the same thing in Georgia, took the land he wanted and left the remainder to the Georgians.

Richard Page
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
March 2, 2022 12:44 pm

You mean the land not in Georgia which the Georgians had annexed in an illegal military operation? South Ossetia I think it was – almost the reverse of Ukraine in so many ways, and the USA chose to support the corrupt politician who started the military aggression in that one, against Russia. Good to be reminded of a time when Putin was trying to solve problems rather than create them.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 2, 2022 10:50 am

Putin and Xi made a deal at the Olympics. Xi has Putin’s back and will take all the oil and gas Putin wants to give him. They Russians and Chinese will develop a new money system and tell the West to F off.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
March 2, 2022 1:23 pm

right- but so far, according to one video I saw there is only a single pipeline to China going through the central Asian nations- to expand the sales they’ll need to build more pipes at tremendous expense- and of course, the Chinese really know how to bargain with those in a weak position- so it’ll be a huge loss regardless

They may attempt to develop a new money system but it’s not going to be sufficient to tell anyone off.

Jtom
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 2, 2022 4:44 pm

China is reliant on Russian oil and gas. If they were smart, they would turn against Putin, collapsing the economy and government. Then support a new government, supplying food and hard currency, in exchange for control of a few oil fields in West Siberia. They already have a presence there.

Not only would they get oil and gas, but the world would praise them as heroes. Win, win, win, win.

Nexus321
Reply to  MarkW
March 5, 2022 1:23 am

Having missile complexes on your border with a flight time to Moscow of 20mins is an issue. Same as putting missiles in Cuba.

Reply to  Enginer01
March 1, 2022 2:11 pm

It is not NATO or Russia…it is the nutcase Putin that is the problem,,he has become sort of like Kimmy Jong…out of touch with reality.

Lee L
Reply to  Enginer01
March 1, 2022 11:34 pm

“It actually took a hot war to bring some sense to “Greens.”

No.
You have to understand that largely, you are dealing with Holy Workers when you are referring to ‘Greens’ . They will mindlessly change the narrative to

‘See. We told you natural gas was evil for the world. Now that there is a hot war it must finally bring some sense to the DENIERS. We now MUST replace that Russian NatGas with WIND and SOLAR!!!’.

That’s what will happen in a couple of weeks. Or maybe after this winter passes where some old coal burning plants might be temporarily restarted.

Mark… my… words.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  Lee L
March 2, 2022 10:56 am

Hopefully they will crank up nuclear instead. If they do, will you oppose nuclear or still support the fossil fuel industry?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 11:14 am

Good point, KG. Unfortunately, Germans are also easily led.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 3:56 pm

” easily led”

I heard from a German intellectual on the subject re WWII that Germans are obedient. I guess easily led means the same thing.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 1, 2022 5:09 pm

Hi, Gary,

Yes. Probably, there was (perhaps, still is) a tendency for Germans to have the “authoritarian” (i.e., likes/very comfortable with being commanded) personality which Stanley Milgram’s (now, probably illegal) experiments* demonstrated (not about Germans, just people in general).

I don’t know if they still are, but, in the 1980’s, upper level students in Austria were taught about Milgram’s results.

They are very eager to prevent another horror…..

In the U.S., today, the average Democrat is much more likely to be described, “likes rules and obeying authority” than the average conservative (i.e., true, not RINO Republicans and many Libertarians) is.

We need to replace Democrats with those who honor individual responsibility and LIBERTY!

TRUMP 2024! 😀

*Participants were ordered to inflict increasingly high levels of electric shock to a person who (they did not realize) was only pretending to be in pain. Some (the “authoritarian” types) participants kept obeying Dr. Milgram, increasing the voltage inflicted, even after the actor was screaming in pain.

Note: “authoritarian” means, readily acquiesces in being bossed around

“authoriTATIVE” is a person who readily bosses others.

anthropic
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 11:34 pm

I remember seeing QUESTION AUTHORITY bumper stickers on progressive vehicles just a few years ago. Things have changed!

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  anthropic
March 2, 2022 9:36 am

That and let’s not forget “Resist!”

Reply to  anthropic
March 3, 2022 2:06 am

You only question authority when you aren’t the one with the authority

Kevin Hilde
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 1:39 am

Janice, I don’t know where you’re getting your notions but Libertarianism is the polar opposite of Authoritarianism.

“Conservative” meaning changes, depending on locale … an Iranian conservative likes the Ayatollah, a Russian conservative is an old Communist, and some American conservatives want to outlaw alcohol and bring back Sunday laws.

“Authoritarian” is much more often a reference to the government and rulers, and much less so to the citizens.

“Authoritative” means the expert that knows his shit.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Kevin Hilde
March 2, 2022 7:21 am

1) I meant to say (apparently, I didn’t make myself clear) that Libertarians (many of them) are pro-liberty, like U.S. “conservatives,” and are NOT likely to have an “authoritarian” personality.

2) I used the term “authoritarian” as it is defined for the purposes of psychological evaluation. The “authoritarian personality” likes being commanded.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 2, 2022 10:57 am

And we are not easily led? Do you remember WMD?

MarkW
Reply to  davidgmillsatty
March 2, 2022 11:56 am

You mean the WMDs that were found?

meiggs
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 4:47 pm

Actually CS, cow sh*t

Ron Long
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 11:25 am

Janice, Germans might be intelligent (actually their peak of the bell curve for IQ is above the average), but their ship just sank. That’s right, the Felicity, loaded with Porsches and Mercedes, on fire for almost 2 weeks from an EV battery fire, being towed by salvage to shore, rolled over and sank.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 11:40 am

Despite some intelligence, the right use of the brain is definitely not part of any respective test.

Steve Case
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 12:32 pm

The right brain left brain meme is right in there with astrology and other well known forms of bullshit.

meiggs
Reply to  Steve Case
March 1, 2022 4:50 pm

Or perhaps Cowsh*t?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Steve Case
March 2, 2022 12:31 am

I disagree that the “right brain”/”left brain” is bull, the two lobes of the brain serve different functions, but it’s like everything else in life, it is open to interpretation, & those who shout loudest are listened to more! Men & women are not equal, they are simply different, although apparently women are slightly more intelligent than men, but amazingly, both sexes can come out with absolute bovine faeces! There, that’s reduced my Christmas card list by around 90%!!! ;-))

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 11:46 am

You are telling me about an incident which I have written several comments about (with, I daresay, helpful articles linked) recently on WUWT, Mr. Long.

Sigh.

Thanks for making sure I hadn’t forgotten what I wrote.

Ron Long
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 12:44 pm

my apologies for my lack of attention.

Ron Long
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 12:49 pm

Janice, the Felicity just sank this morning, March 1, 2022, just off Portugal at 9:00 AM local time. If you wrote about this sinking this morning I missed it.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 3:01 pm

Dear Mr. Long,

Thanks for the information

My comments were about a doomed, burning, ship and contained most of what you told me.

I didn’t write about the sinking this morning. But, you already knew that.

No need to take my sharp remarks personally (in case you did, not assuming). After years of having male named commenters (not all, just enough to start to wear on me) talk to me as if I were ignorant/slow, I have become overly sensitive. I’m not sure why. Simply have. Just a few days ago someone “corrected” my firsthand knowledge of daffodils.

I will try to be better at ignoring what offends me.

In the meantime,

GOOD FOR YOU to point out how economically stupid EV’s are.

Bottom line:

we agree.

Take care, O Ally for Truth.

Janice

Ron Long
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 5:00 pm

Janice, you don’t know me. I am a Grid Management 9/9, and I tell everyone the smartest person that worked for me was a woman, had her first college degree and was teaching English in Japan at the age of 19. Have a nice day.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 5:24 pm

Dear Mr. Long,

Did you read my reply to you of 3:43pm? I sure hope you will read it, if not.

If you DID read it and yet wrote as coldly and rather dismissively as you did above at 5PM, then, all I can say is, that I tried and, clearly, failed to explain adequately.

Or, perhaps, I did explain (and apologize) adequately. Perhaps,
it is, regrettably, that you aren’t the exceptional, admirable, man I took you to be (as I tried to express at 3:43) and I guessed wrong about you.

My high opinion of you was, after all, only a guess, for, yes, indeed, I do not know you.

I hope you have a pleasant evening and a very happy 2022,

Sincerely,

Your ally for truth,

Janice

Last edited 2 months ago by Janice Moore
Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 3:04 am

imagine you’re trying to get out of Ukraine but stuck in a traffic jam in your EV

Janice Moore
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
March 2, 2022 7:24 am

Good one, Mr. Zorzin!

Meab
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 9:06 am

I corrected you about the daffodils.

In late February you posted a photo of a daffodil field taken in the Skagit Valley. You indicated that spring had arrived 60 miles north of Seattle. It hadn’t. In fact, just three days before your post, the area hit an all-time record low for the date, well below freezing.

Daffodils bloom in the Skagit Valley in March, not February, and certainly not following record cold in February. Your photo was taken in spring in a past year. I corrected you because because you were wrong, not because you’re a woman.

By the way, what caused you to assume that I’m male? For all you know, I might identify as a daffodil.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Meab
March 2, 2022 9:57 am

Wow. All I will take the time to say is:

1) Whether you were male or not was not the issue which IS: because mostly male-named commenters have taken it upon themselves to correct me (as you did in error), I am worn down from being corrected needlessly by ANYONE.

2) You either cannot read well, or you are intentionally mischaracterizing my comments about spring and daffodils.

3) if you sincerely think that I was wrong, you are to be pitied for your low intelligence and it is also pointless to try to talk to you.

4) lol — as if I don’t know about daffodils and spring in the Skagit Valley…. if you only knew….

meab
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 2:22 pm

You almost certainly have had a problem with men talking down to you and that makes me sad but, then again, I can’t apologize for anything anyone else has said to you.

On February 25, you wrote (quoting) “Take heart! The daffodils know… standing tall and resolute in their green jackets. Spring is on the way!”

You then posted a photo of daffodils in full bloom taken in the Skagit Valley west of Mt. Vernon. Unfortunately, the photo was taken in spring a year (or more) ago. You didn’t say that.

I simply wrote that there were no daffodils yet (and there weren’t) but somehow you think my comment is representative of men who correct you unnecessarily.

By the way, I know first hand that there aren’t any daffodils yet. Let me tell you how I know. My father lived in the Skagit Valley for 60+ years. He passed away two years ago, but when he was alive his favorite restaurant was the Farmhouse Inn, which is within a mile or two of the daffodil fields in the Skagit Valley. In the last 5 years of his life he could no longer drive so I moved back to Washington to help take care of him. In those last years, I always took him to the restaurant during daffodil season and again during tulip season. After the meal we’d go for a drive to see the flowers.

I no longer live in the valley, but I live close enough that I still go to the Farmhouse every few weeks to meet a friend. I went there the day before your post. There were no daffodils. So, you should rethink how you interact with people you don’t know who just might be as knowledgeable (or more) than you.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Meab
March 2, 2022 9:59 am

How very interesting. My reply to you was sent into moderation — for apparently no reason…. no excessive bolding, etc., no bad words.

In the meantime, here is the condensed version:

you have grossly mischaracterized my comments.

meab
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 6:56 pm

No, I haven’t. See above for what you actually wrote.

Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 2:47 pm

And 189 very expensive hand made Bentleys.

Richard Page
Reply to  ATheoK
March 2, 2022 12:50 pm

Yes. Y’know, I’m beginning to think that the best way to transport these EV things would be by open-backed submarine, or maybe towing them behind ships (with a long towrope, obviously). sarc; but you’d probably guessed that, hadn’t you?

Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 4:32 pm

Maybe a good time to change course on battery buggies as well as Russian oil and gas.

davidgmillsatty
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
March 2, 2022 11:03 am

Maybe a good time for nuclear power and we can make enough synthetic fuel or change the electrical grid to accommodate whatever is best for the situation.

observa
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 6:51 pm

The crew of the Felicity Ace worked it out pretty quickly the doomsters had doomed their ship. Perhaps try Build Your Dreams instead of Build Your Nightmares doomsters.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Ron Long
March 2, 2022 3:02 am

still no mention of that in any news media in New England, so far as I know

Streetcred
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 2:35 pm

They’re also demonstrably gullible …

Janice Moore
Reply to  Streetcred
March 1, 2022 3:22 pm

Yeah. Sadly. That is the downside to how straightforward and earnest they are. They, being so earnest (try to crack a joke based on sarcasm …… they will take you seriously nearly every time), have a blind spot for identifying con-artists.

And, really, Street, I am feeling uncomfortable with lumping all Deutschlanders into one big group. That isn’t really fair/accurate. Thus, I must add that I acknowledge that each German is an individual; some are more gullible than others. Many are not gullible at all. There are, nevertheless, tendencies….

Ron Long
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 2:49 pm

Janice, can you help me out, please? The Felicity sank at 9:00 AM Portugal time, this morning, and WATTS posts time as Pacific Standard Time, which means the Felicity sank at 2:00 this morning. I cannot find any comment of yours, with or without helpful articles linked, from the time of the sinking to now. Can you please refer me to the article and time of your sinking comment? With helpful articles?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Ron Long
March 1, 2022 3:43 pm

Hi, Mr. Long,

I am assuming you didn’t see my 3:01pm (today) reply to you above. I did not see your 2:49pm comment to me until after mine posted.

As you will read there, I viewed the fact of sinking as a foregone conclusion. Thus, I felt that my comments and supporting
articles about the whole Felicity incident covered (or clearly showed cognizance of) nearly all that you told me.

That (unwisely, as I admit above) made me feel that you had ignored or dismissed the several detailed, thoughtful, comments I posted on WUWT threads about the incident.

You are clearly an exceptionally conscientious man. You are to be commended for taking the time to address my concerns/ assertions.

I hope that this comment will be read by you and that it will convince you, if not about my knowledgeability, that I am

Your respectful ally for data-driven science,

Janice

Willem Post
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 7:52 pm

It appears it took Putin’s invasion to change the German minds, but, in fact, more and more evidence was accumulating the ENERGIEWENDE was a hugely expensive, unworkable mistake.

Inadvertently, Putin gave Germany a major push to more quickly make a much-needed course correction

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Willem Post
March 2, 2022 3:07 am

just imagine how easy it would be to invade a country dependent on wind and solar- a few strafing missions would terminate those facilities

Neo
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 9:25 am

Clearly, the German Greens woke to the reality that the “green energy transition” can’t happen while there are Neanderthals in power in nearby countries.

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Janice Moore
Reply to  Neo
March 2, 2022 10:02 am

If that is all the Germans have awoken to, then they are to be pitied, indeed. The “green energy transition” is a scam.

Richard Page
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 12:53 pm

A very dangerous scam at that.

Tom Halla
March 1, 2022 10:06 am

The German Greens actually finally realized that schiesse did not work?

jeffery p
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 1, 2022 10:38 am

Here in America, politicians and political parties have mastered the art of appearing to say one thing while meaning something else entirely. I recall Obama giving speeches with very centrist, reasonable rhetoric and then proposing programs that were the opposite.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  jeffery p
March 2, 2022 12:37 am

You clearly didn’t realise that his politician’s lips were moving at the time!!! 😉

alastair gray
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 1, 2022 10:54 am

How can you have any respect for duplicitous green morons who when the chips are down do not even have the courage of their own convictions. The treacherous swines should be put in a pillory and pelted mercilessly with rotten sauerkrauts. And in view of the damage they have done to their poorer compatriots There are sure as hell a lot of very sauer Krauts around jobless and freezing in the dark.

Doug
Reply to  Tom Halla
March 1, 2022 12:41 pm

We will not do the one and only thing that will stop Putin from continuing his wars. That would be to open up all aspects of our energy production and basically flooding the market, and taking away Russia’s major income source . Our greens would revolt if we did , and this administration does not have the courage to oppose this minority.

Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:07 am

At the rate that Germany is installing wind and solar capacity, there won’t be a need for other sources of electricity by the end of the decade. The dominance of renewables is inevitable.

jeffery p
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:30 am

And yet…

commieBob
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:34 am

… inevitable.

You keep using that word … link

Clay Sanborn
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 5:39 pm

I think he meant inedible.

Kevin Hilde
Reply to  Clay Sanborn
March 2, 2022 2:14 am

Unenviable?

Richard Page
Reply to  Kevin Hilde
March 2, 2022 5:23 am

Avoidable?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2022 12:40 am

Barry Anthony must be planning a career in politics, I jest!!!

Richard Page
Reply to  Alan the Brit
March 2, 2022 12:55 pm

You jest, he’s serious!

atticman
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:37 am

That’s totally irrelevant when they’ve got the next few winters to get through. Common sense seems to be prevailing at last. And as for your claimed inevitability of renewables, Barry, thheir unreliability dooms us all without fossil-fuel back-up.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  atticman
March 1, 2022 6:01 pm

>>Barry, thheir unreliability dooms us all without fossil-fuel back-up.<<

And yet it was thermal generation that represented the overwhelming majority of lost generation capacity during the winter storm in Texas last year. Billions in property damage and lives lost thanks to your “reliable” fossil fuel and nuke generators going offline.

http://www.ercot.com/content/wcm/lists/226521/ERCOT_Winter_Storm_Generator_Outages_By_Cause_Updated_Report_4.27.21.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0dpFU2yP3F3F0Q8vJfn7O21OAio1box7ff45BHvIjZ0aOPPlf4lbWhDkA

And “reliable” thermal generators are going offline every 3 days in Australia.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australias-coal-and-gas-plants-are-breaking-down-every-three-days-34744/?fbclid=IwAR2x4xnN2Bje0L65DZ5ZHE7LzdMcwnCAC_qO7y6yXMje9nk8gLGD7Pf-yzo

And, in a disturbing number of cases, they’re going offline by exploding.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/a-new-flagship-coal-plant-failed-spectacularly-but-it-wont-be-the-last-time/?fbclid=IwAR36TfZTwKQIl4gk8PF-pOUqMNiBbt3hmiteG_Jc2qH9bqQA8zIh4hAj_JE

And…

https://www.ktvu.com/news/plant-explosion-sends-heavy-metal-and-shrapnel-flying-in-hayward-cause-unknown

Again, the dominance of renewables is inevitable.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 8:16 pm

I always find your stuff amusing
Linking to a report produced by the people responsible for the failure and a bunch of articles from an advocacy group.

I posted comments about the insanity of 100% renewables and I got attacked by many renewable engineers for erecting a straw man as no sensible engineer thinks 100% renewables is possible.
So I invite you to go on linked in and tell all those idiot engineers they haven’t a clue.

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Roger Knights
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 5:15 am

Gas powered generators in Texas had been forced by Obama’s regulations to shift their cold-weather valve warmers from gas to electric power. When that power failed their frozen valves took the plants down.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 7:13 am

Any yet renewables continue to fail wherever they are tried.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 7:16 am

>>Any yet renewables continue to fail wherever they are tried.<< And yet the capacity of wind and solar continues to increase faster than any other source of electricity in history. The dominance of renewables is inevitable.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 9:21 am

Fancy that. A source of power that is heavily subsidized and often mandated by government, continues to be installed. Will wonders never cease.
And no, receiving the same tax deductions that every other industry gets is not a subsidy, no matter how many times you and other alarmists claim that it is so.

Richard Page
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 1:01 pm

“And yet the capacity of wind and solar continues to increase faster than any other source of electricity in history.” Untrue but still, who’s counting?
I’m continually amazed by the ability of AGW/Unreliable Energy shills to take a couple of data points and draw a straight line expanding to infinity. They do know that’s exactly how the global cooling/AGW delusions got started, don’t they?

Jtom
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 5:09 pm

“The world’s yearly consumption of oil is approximately one cubic mile of oil. It would require building 32,850 wind turbines or 52 nuclear power plants, each year for 50 years, to obtain the energy contained in that amount of oil.“

Have at it, son. Wake me up when reach dominance.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 9:56 am

If they were 100% wind and solar, when the wind stopped blowing after the storm, the entire Texas grid would have gone down in an eye blink. Most of the reliable generation failed due to the self-protection mechanisms that shut them down to protect them from damage when 1/3 of generation face-planted (WIND) and due to fuel shortages caused by REQUIRING gas compression in the pipelines to be ELECTRIC power (WIND) and not GAS powered, as it would usually be.

The idiocy of renewables is 100% responsible for the Texas fiasco in 2021.

ihfan
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:37 am

At the rate that Germany is installing wind and solar capacity, there won’t be a need for other sources of electricity by the end of the decade.

At the rate Russia is threatening Germany’s energy supply, there won’t be time left to install those unreliable renewables.

Funny how priorities change when peoples’ comforts are threatened.

Derg
Reply to  ihfan
March 1, 2022 11:19 am

It wouldn’t matter if Germany was covered in windmills they need fossil fuels for prosperity.

Intermittent energy is not reliable

Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:42 am

Many experts fear blackouts in the near future because of to much wind- and solar”power”.
You may imagine, why 😀

The “dominance” of “renewables” unfortunately only shows, when the demand is down. In so far there is no reliability in “renwables”, what, btw., they aren’t.

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Purdue Al
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 8:52 pm

Not only is there no reliability in renewables, there is no renewable in renewables. Solar panels don’t get renewed, nor do windmill blades, etc. And all need lots of fossil fuel to mine the rare earth resources needed for green energy – whatever that means. The only green energy is fossil fuel, which is greening the planet.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  Purdue Al
March 2, 2022 6:46 am

>>Solar panels don’t get renewed,<< That’s false. https://reneweconomy.com.au/australias-first-solar-panel-recycling-plant-swings-into-action/

>> nor do windmill blades<< That’s also false. https://resource-recycling.com/plastics/2019/03/27/company-expands-wind-turbine-recycling-operation/?fbclid=IwAR2Ulgz3yujLl1cXPtQaCqP4yezC2Vw5bi-DuJKQXsTbbvaYYgbZ_lFT0aI

And some perspective: https://medium.com/climate-conscious/wind-turbine-end-of-life-waste-perspective-a561913dcbd9

More perspective: A typical older 1.5MW turbine can make 100GWh over it’s lifespan. For coal to make 100 GWh it requires 55,000 tons of coal, mined and delivered. Each ton of coal creates 4,172lbs of Co2 when burned.

4,172lbs X 55,000 tons = 114,730 tons of Co2
Just to make 100 GWh.

Here’s the new GE offshore model.
“One Haliade-X 14 MW turbine can generate up to 74 GWh of gross annual energy production, saving up to 52,000 metric tons of CO2. Per year.”
https://www.ge.com/…/offshor…/haliade-x-offshore-turbine

Over 25 years this one turbine can make 1,850 GWh.
So take that coal number above for 100 GWh, and times it by 18.5
Meaning, this one turbine can displace 2.1 million tons of Co2 that a coal plant would put out. And one million tons of coal, not burned.

Richard Page
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 1:15 pm

Couple of things wrong with the picture you’re trying to paint – firstly, solar panels can be recycled, but aren’t generally, because the cost involved is about 5 times more than the price of the recoverable minerals. Secondly – 3 years on and that pile of turbine blades in Sweetwater, Texas is still there – in fact there are now 2 big piles, covering several acres and all GFS has done is close their UK end of the business. Again, turbine blades are not being recycled because the cost is prohibitive for very little return. As to the life of turbines being 25 years, think again – those ones in Sweetwater were removed from dismantled windmills after less than 20.

Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 7:39 pm

Recycling windmill blades is not economic. Cutting them up on-site will be hideously expensive, as cutting glass fiber wears out even tungsten carbide tools quickly. Then you must burn off the epoxy, and what you are left with is short glass fiber, a common commercial product typically made from sand in a glass fiber plant. Barry Anthony lies like a rug.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  Michael Moom
March 3, 2022 6:54 am

>>Recycling windmill blades is not economic.<< And yet multiple businesses and facilities are doing just this, all the while without burning the blades. How are these businesses operating if their model doesn’t work?

https://www.globalfiberglassinc.com/

HotScot
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 11:06 am

Other than backup fossil fuel power plants for when the wind doesn’t blow.

Is duplication of effort and resources your idea of good energy policy?

Did you buy a backup petrol car for when your EV falls over?

Janice Moore
Reply to  HotScot
March 1, 2022 11:17 am

Dear Hot Scot,

Ever since you mentioned that you have a gravely ill loved one, I have been praying for you. And will be… .

Take care.

Your ally for truth,

Janice

Barry Anthony
Reply to  HotScot
March 1, 2022 11:40 am

>>Other than backup fossil fuel power plants for when the wind doesn’t blow.<<

That tired old fossil fuel shill dodge has LONG ago been stabbed through the heart with a wooden stake…

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/2019/10/08/german-government-report-finds-significantly-less-conventional-generation-needed-for-a-stable-grid/#gref

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 12:40 pm

What happened to your demand that everything come only from reputable sources that are peer reviewed by reputable scientists?

It really is amazing how flexible your standards are.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 4:47 pm

It really is amazing how flexible your standards are.

Not really, when “reputable source” means “a source that I agree with”

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 4:58 pm

>>It really is amazing how flexible your standards are.<< How so? I reference peer-reviewed research from independent sources, and, as above, official government reports on policy issues. What are your questions?

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 7:15 am

Your source is none of the things you claim.
Why is it you have only lies when your previous lies are exposed?

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 8:21 am

with shills like Barry, it’s always lies all the way down.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 3:14 am

heck, you mean we can’t depend for energy truth from the “renewable energy world” web site?

Streetcred
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 2:40 pm

What a credible source, do I need the /s tag or the /BS tag ? Both ?

Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 3:05 pm

Published by a magazine dependent upon selling renewable energy. Trust value is deeply negative.

They’re in a Ponzi scheme.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  ATheoK
March 1, 2022 5:54 pm

>>Published by a magazine dependent upon selling renewable energy. Trust value is deeply negative.<< The Genetic fallacy is a shill and Denier favorite. Did the magazine fabricate the government report from Germany?

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 12:02 pm

I’m going out on a limb and guess that you never studied formal logic in school. I’m going out on a limb and guess that if you did manage to finish any kind of college, it was some kind of “studies” degree.

Regardless, from the guy who frequently claims that unless a paper is published in one of his preferred journals, it’s worthless, your complaint above is really amusing.

BTW, why do you assume that governments would never lie?

MarkW
Reply to  HotScot
March 1, 2022 1:13 pm

Barry reminds me of griff, constantly touting “grid scale” batteries that were capable of supplying power for a grand total of 5 minutes.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 8:20 am
MarkW
Reply to  John Endicott
March 2, 2022 9:24 am

That wasn’t written by a climate scientist in a peer reviewed journal, therefore it didn’t happen.

Reply to  HotScot
March 1, 2022 5:38 pm

“Back-up” power plants must be kept spinning in order to provide power on demand. They’re turning out CO2 even when they’re not used.

It’s likely that the complete inventory of CO2 emissions is higher for wind and solar than FF power for that reason alone.

Jtom
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 2, 2022 5:18 pm

Duke Energy Blames Renewables for Increased Air Pollution in North Carolina

“ The increase in emissions, according to Duke, is the result of more frequent “cycling” – scaling down energy production from its enormous natural gas plants during the day to accommodate a surge in solar energy to the power grid, then powering those plants back up at night.”

https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news-release/duke-energy-blames-renewables-increased-air-pollution-north-carolina

Barry Anthony
Reply to  Jtom
March 2, 2022 5:52 pm

It’s not like gas peaker plants aren’t already on their way out thanks to battery storage. It’s just a matter of time. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-09/gas-plants-will-get-crushed-by-wind-solar-by-2035-study-says?fbclid=IwAR1WHJ1iLBvfQR8XM-lKD7duxnhhb5nGsJZ6FXGWuDUTFJgIZSTMOydQW6Y

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 8:16 pm

Bloomberg? They’ve been spewing this nonsense for years. Since you have a subscription, maybe you can ask them if they limit their energy usage to renewables only. While you’re at it, maybe you could request that the owner lower his carbon footprint to be on par, say, with the population of Chad.

Mr.
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 11:08 am

Is that you Baghdad Bob?

Derg
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2022 11:20 am

I was wondering if it’s Simon.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2022 6:25 pm

Baghdad Bob is now on Russian state TV, reporting on the invasion.

Bob
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 11:24 am

The only thing wind and solar will dominate is the land fill.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 11:39 am

More of the usual BS from BA!

TonyG
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 12:21 pm

there won’t be a need for other sources of electricity by the end of the decade

Care to put some money on that? We’ll put it in escrow until 2030 and see who collects.

Scissor
Reply to  TonyG
March 1, 2022 1:12 pm

I’d like to get in on that action on your side if you have any takers, perhaps with a parlay re: ice free arctic.

Streetcred
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2022 2:41 pm

#metoo

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Scissor
March 1, 2022 4:16 pm

Actually, betting sure things are very rare opportunities. Betting on the total collapse of the ruinables sc@m as it is already falling on their heads is something to think about. You’d need a neutral broker to decide the winners though. Those who believe in this drek wont give up even if the next glacial max was bulldozing their homes away.

TonyG
Reply to  Gary Pearse
March 1, 2022 4:49 pm

You’re probably right about that, Gary. Almost certainly.

Rich Davis
Reply to  TonyG
March 1, 2022 5:08 pm

Comrade Barry is just anticipating the Great Cull. Purge 90% of the population and maybe wind and solar would be sufficient (40%) of the time.

Jtom
Reply to  TonyG
March 2, 2022 5:25 pm

Tried telling people months ago to put a bet down on coal. Peabody Energy Company (BTU) is up 120% over the last three months. At least my brother listened. He’ll be buying my beer for the rest of the year.

Teddy Lee
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 12:23 pm

Thought it was the 1st of March!

Thomas
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 12:27 pm

The dominance of renewables is inevitable impossible.”

Fixed it.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 12:37 pm

Now if only they can find a form of renewable power that actually works.

Graham
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 1:34 pm

Reply to B A .
You are so stupid ,put your brain into gear before opening your gob .
Wind and solar are not a secure solution to power a country such as Germany.
It goes without me telling you .
Solar and wind need back up and Germany is hell bent on trashing their coal and nuclear power plants ,so that they have become reliant on Russian gas.
Most clowns could work that out for themselves but you have been taken in by the incessant news media calling for carbon zero and other rubbish claims .
Germany DEPENDS on gas and probably oil delivered from Russia so even though they are a member of Nato they do not want to upset Putin or he might turn off the gas pipe line .
The USA also imports a lot of oil from Russia and the US government is restricting oil and gas drilling and importing from other countries .
It makes no sense to me .If a country has oil and gas deposits why restrict exploration and drilling and then import oil.

Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 2:58 pm

“The dominance of renewables is inevitable”

Utterly socialistic doctrine and absurd lack of action.
Renewables only seem to be successful, thanks to tax payers and fossil fuels paying for renewable’s foibles.

When fossil fuel vehicles are no longer, all of that subsidy money and fake LCOE attributions will fall on the backs of EV owners.

Wait’ll those people who bought and want to buy EVs suddenly get socked with the bills for roads, infrastructure and police patrols.

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Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 5:18 pm

Germany installed more wind in 2017 than they have since then.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
March 2, 2022 6:52 am

Yes. According to BWE (Bundesverband WindEnergie) there were 160,000 people employed in the wind industry in Germany in 2016 – 27,200 offshore and 133,000 onshore.

These numbers are not updated annually but BWE and VDMA, as industry representative associations, estimate that in 2020 this had fallen to 100,000.

https://www.wind-energie.de/english/statistics/statistics-germany/

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 5:32 pm

I see Barry is another alarmist who doesn’t know the difference between faceplate power and actual production.

Elle Webber
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 10:30 pm

I travelled through Germany a few months ago and paid close attention to windmill and solar installations. Germany’s weather didn’t seem radiant enough to depend on solar beyond a random lightbulb. There were windmills all over their fields and plains—very very often not spinning. What was worse, even when the wind was blowing, I estimated 1/20 were broken. Funny too, those windmills were befouling the countryside, not installed in the cities. Don’t even get me started on the amount of resources and power required to make the things. Relying on solar and wind for steady power would be like investing in tulips for your retirement;sounds cute, but a recipe for disaster. (Google the Tulip Bubble if you don’t know about it.)

MarkW
Reply to  Elle Webber
March 2, 2022 7:18 am

I’m willing to bet that Barry doesn’t know that as you increase the number of wind mills in a farm, each additional windmill gets less wind than the earlier ones did.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 7:12 am

What I find fascinating, is that Barry actually believes that Germany will be 100% renewable powered in only 8 years. That kind of delusion is hard to achieve without professional help.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 9:52 am

What “dominance” is that?! The “dominance” of producing the “fill” for landfills?!

LMFAO – let me know when you have wind turbines and solar panels that are, cradle to grave, made using, and incorporating products that only use and/or are made of, what can be produced solely from, wind and solar power.

So no metals, plastics, fiberglass resins, just off the top of my head – and they can’t be transported and erected, nor demolished and hauled to the landfills, with fossil fuel based machinery either.

Oh and be sure to volunteer for life in the first city to be powered ONLY by wind and solar – no “grid connections” to real electric generation sources allowed! And prepare yourself for frontier living.

Wind and solar ‘power’ are essentially the most inefficient, unreliable and environmentally destructive way ever invented to use fossil fuels to make electricity.

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commieBob
March 1, 2022 10:14 am

There is this article in the Atlantic. Trigger warning: the title of the article contains the word l*b*r*l.

As the article points out, the swift and united response to Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine shows that western civilization is far from dead.

I’m guessing that any neo-Marxist who tries to capitalize on the crisis will be slapped down smartly.

Janice Moore
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 10:25 am

Aside: lol, Bob, for awhile, I read “l*b*r*l as 2 bracketing lines and, “what word is _b_r_????” 😆

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 2:30 pm

Abort?

Janice Moore
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
March 1, 2022 3:04 pm

Heh.

jeffery p
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 11:27 am

Bob, it’s that other kind of “liberal,” the kind of liberal who people who say they are liberal really aren’t anymore.

Hope that helps.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 7:55 pm

Commie

Our canadian liberals are now NDP

Our conservatives are now classical liberals

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2022 10:14 am

The Germans might be good a waking up and steering policy when the need is obvious, but I’m not so sure about Sleepy and Boris and the kid up in Canada.

Never mind they’re all too late anyway.

Russia holds drills with nuclear subs, land-based missiles – ABC News (go.com)

commieBob
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2022 10:28 am

Trudeau’s deputy PM and ‘minister of everything’ is Chrystia Freeland who has deep Ukrainian roots. She speaks Ukrainian and Russian, has lived in both places, and is persona non grata in Russia. I would be very surprised if the Canadian government doesn’t respond properly.

re. Sleepy … America has recently raised Chinese hackles by sailing a warship through the straits of Taiwan. If China thought it could take advantage of the distraction in Europe, it has been put on notice.

bonbon
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 10:52 am

Dare you look up Freeland’s granpa Michael Chomiak and his newspaper Krakivski Visti (News of Krakow). The Junta put in by Obama and Biden in 2014, Kiev, are exactly that ‘tradition’ .

commieBob
Reply to  bonbon
March 2, 2022 8:53 am

Finland was also on the wrong side of WW2 because nobody but the Germans were willing to help them after they were invaded by the Soviets.

If the Germans had been a lot more clueful about how they dealt with the Ukraine, and had refrained from invading Poland, they could have come off much better.

They got away with annexing Austria. Could they have got away with annexing Hungary? They would have much Ukrainian support prying it away from the Soviets.

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MarkW
Reply to  commieBob
March 2, 2022 9:26 am

Throughout much of eastern Europe, the Germans were initially welcomed as liberators. It wasn’t until they began acting worse than the Russians that the locals turned on them.

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ResourceGuy
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 11:29 am

Chrystia will be good then at resettlement of refugees from their former home to Canada. Meanwhile NZ, India, and much of the rest of the world are on the sidelines. Canada will watch too while counting migrants that don’t fall from the planes getting out. As for ship passage in the Taiwan straits, it’s a passing thing and not a deterrent.

Drake
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 11:55 am

Bob, The US Navy does this regularly (every month or so) and China always whines.

When TRUMP! gets back in the White House and declares Taiwan an independent country with full diplomatic relations including full membership in the UN, we will see what happens when a full carrier battle group sails in those INTERNATIONAL WATERS.

We have had Eurocentric commenters denigrate the US in the comments here at WUWT, but the US is the only country that can still project useful navel power anywhere in the world. Before WWII, the UK was capable of that, but the little war in the Falkland Islands showed they no longer have sufficient capacity to PROJECT.

jeffery p
Reply to  Drake
March 1, 2022 1:08 pm

The Falklands war was 3 decades ago. The Royal Navy has not revamped since then. Whatever they could do 30 years ago, it’s less now.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Drake
March 1, 2022 5:18 pm

Bellybutton (navel) power is the best

John Endicott
Reply to  Rich Davis
March 2, 2022 8:28 am

Depends on whose Bellybutton (navel) we’re talking about 😉

ResourceGuy
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 11:57 am

“Remember the red button?” a friend texted when the first Russian bombs fell on Kyiv. In the region that has been colonized and tormented by Russia for centuries, everyone remembers the red “reset” button: the gift of an illusory fresh start that Hillary Clinton presented to the Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov during their meeting in Geneva 2009.

Opinion: Why did it take the West so long to wake up to Putin’s outrages? | CNN

Tom Abbott
Reply to  commieBob
March 1, 2022 12:23 pm

“I would be very surprised if the Canadian government doesn’t respond properly.”

I believe the Canadian government has just said they will stop getting oil from Russia.

Will Biden say the U.S. will stop buying oil from Russia tonight in his State of the Union speech? I doubt it seriously.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2022 12:59 pm

Me too.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2022 1:09 pm
Drake
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2022 5:43 pm

I read today that the Canada does not currently import any Russian oil, so nice political grandstanding move Trudope.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2022 12:15 pm

Sleepy will definitely not snap out of it. He will double-down on stupid.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2022 12:51 pm

Even if that imposter WOULD, he COULD not snap out of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if his handlers TAPE the SOTU speech (and, even with clever editing, it will have some “odd” frames, heh).

Excuse: the (very peaceful) People’s Convoy now arriving in the outer D. C. area (not planning to enter downtown)…. or “I think someone with Covid was in the same room with my dog…… or in the same city I drove through last week…….or was thinking about me………”

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jeffery p
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 1:11 pm

Just watch the speech closely and see how Brandon’s pupils are but shiny pinpoints. Whatever they dose him with to make Brandon appear coherent surely can’t be good for an old codger like that.

Janice Moore
Reply to  jeffery p
March 1, 2022 3:07 pm

Seriously. Liver failure is what will likely get him in the end.

Drake
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 6:04 pm

Just time it for after the new congress takes over.

BUT even if it happens before, then the cackle takes over. When she goes to appoint a replacement VP, the dems do not have 51 votes to confirm the nomination, no VP to break the tie.

IF the Republicans stick together they can force a negotiation to pick the new VP. I want it to be Romney, so Utah can get someone new more like LEE in the Senate.

Otherwise just leave the VP vacant. That leaves Nancy next in line, but what difference would that make?

After the new Republican congress is seated, make TRUMP! the Speaker of the House. Then if anything happens to the cackle, TRUMP! becomes President, and can run for re-election because he will be under 1 1/2 terms in office. He will have almost 6 years clear out the swamp and relocate the majority of what is left to other states so that the entire DC area becomes Florida North, almost all just retirees. I would love to see DC area property values drop 50% for lack of population.

Finally, return all of DC that is not official federal GOVERNMENT property to the states, VA and MD, so that DC would have NO voters and Maryland and Virginia can deal with the BLM street, etc. By law the only “residents” would be the POTUS and family.

Almost all the residents of 98% dem DC would end up in Maryland, already a Democrat basket case, so no damage done.

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 6:46 pm

Legitimately elected Vice President of the U.S. and sharp as ever.
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Janice Moore
Reply to  Mike McMillan
March 1, 2022 7:21 pm

😆

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 2, 2022 1:50 pm

“GO GET HIM!”

“Pounds of Ukrainians”

“Iranians”

😄

Retired_Engineer_Jim
March 1, 2022 10:14 am

“… Ultimately choose which country will supply” their energy. Why not supply it themselves? Why would only one country supply their energy? I hope that there are some translation issues here.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
March 1, 2022 10:15 am

“There are no taboos on deliberations”, according to senior Green Party member Robert Habeck.

Don’t worry; he doesn’t mean it.

bonbon
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
March 1, 2022 10:37 am

‘fraid he does – see the other taboo broken above. The Greens before elections were well known to be the war-party.

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
March 1, 2022 12:12 pm

My first thought exactly. Why believe anything that guy says?

John Endicott
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
March 2, 2022 8:32 am

Let’s see:
1) he’s a politician
2) his lips are moving

I think we all know what that means.

ResourceGuy
March 1, 2022 10:17 am

Nothing to fear, Jennifer is here.

Nations Agree to Release 60M Barrels of Oil Amid Russian War | Business News | US News

Granholm stressed the need to invest in renewable energy as a way to reduce dependence on Russian oil and natural gas.

……………….Germans need to blow harder now.

Mikeyj
Reply to  ResourceGuy
March 1, 2022 12:31 pm

Granholm took SEIU union dues out of medicaid checks of families that were home caring for family members. Calling her a POS is an insult to shitt.

Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2022 10:28 am

If this is actually true it must split the Greens. Many of them are absolutely fanatical on this issue & can’t be reasoned with. Imagine US Republicans declaring themselves for a socialist economy? No, you can’t. Some issues define us. Nor can I imagine a pro-nuclear power German Green Party.

Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 1, 2022 10:44 am

I have read s.th. about molten salt reactors.

bonbon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
March 1, 2022 10:55 am

The key is the second taboo broken at exactly the same time, comment above.

MarkW
Reply to  Mark Pawelek
March 2, 2022 7:21 am

Imagine US Republicans declaring themselves for a socialist economy? 

I can remember quite a lot of Republicans not wanting to vote to repeal ObamaCare.

Paul Johnson
March 1, 2022 10:30 am

When Climate Hype clashes with Reality, Reality wins…eventually.

Rud Istvan
March 1, 2022 10:31 am

Talk is cheap. Green talk is especially cheap. Let’s see what the Germans actually do now after so many years of Energiewende.

Mr.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 1, 2022 11:14 am

Is “Energiewende” German for “Treason”?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mr.
March 1, 2022 12:28 pm

I think it means “self-destruction”.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Rud Istvan
March 2, 2022 5:28 am

Didn’t the German government double down on renewables a few weeks ago?

John Endicott
Reply to  Roger Knights
March 2, 2022 8:34 am

Haven’t been paying attention to the news going on in the world in the time between than and now I take it. Must have been some nice secluded vacation spot you picked.

Bruce Cobb
March 1, 2022 10:34 am

Greta was right: they really CAN shove their “climate crisis” up their arse!

bonbon
March 1, 2022 10:35 am

Love to hear Berlin comment on this :
Poland resumes Baltic Pipeline to Norway, scrapped in 2019, after NordStream2 stop.
This after Poland campaigned against NS2.

Looks like another taboo was also simultaneously broken by Berlin – $112 billion extra for military buildup.

Military spending, and austerity imposed on citizens was the hallmark of Banker Hjalmar Schacht’s 1930’s German economics. When we hear EU say to expect high prices because sanctions – that’s austerity.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  bonbon
March 1, 2022 12:33 pm

For once, I will praise German politicians for seeing reality. Finally!

Let’s hope it lasts. An insane Putin is a strong incentive.

jeffery p
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 1, 2022 1:13 pm

I hope they sustain the military spending. Too many people have short memories and soon change their priorities.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

jeffery p
March 1, 2022 10:35 am

Tonight Brandon addresses the nation (actually, the world) in his first State of the Union address. Don’t expect a similar change in policy. All signals over the weekend indicate a doubling down on green and carbon-neutral policies that do not and will not work.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  jeffery p
March 1, 2022 12:40 pm

It’s being reported that Biden will try to take credit for bringing NATO closer together. Of course he will. Biden is sitting there following and reacting to what the Europeans are doing, but he wants us to believe it was all his idea.

But the truth is, it is the murderous dictator Putin who has brought NATO and much of the rest of the world together in opposing Putin’s murderous rampage.

Biden is a secondary player. A follower. That’s because he doesn’t know how to deal with a murderous dictator. His first instinct is to appease. That’s what he is doing here in this situation, fading into the background as much as possible.

MarkW
Reply to  jeffery p
March 1, 2022 12:45 pm

If Brandon were to say what you want, we’d have to put Barry, griff and Simon on a suicide watch.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 7:22 am

If we put them on suicide watch, would we be able to make it pay per view?

March 1, 2022 10:38 am

I’ll become optimistic when I hear Green Party member Robert Habeck say,

We were wrong about CO₂ and climate. The campaign against fossil fuels was a disaster. We have caused thousands upon thousands of early deaths and the ruination of lives. I am so sorry that I have decided to resign. The Green Party will disband in shame.

When that happens. When their crime is not swept under the rug. Not before.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Pat Frank
March 1, 2022 10:42 am

Baby steps. The climb-down has begun.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
March 1, 2022 11:01 am

Yes. “Renewables” hustlers won’t do the noble thing Dr. Frank rightly proposes. They* will, however, do what Money dictates. Money says, “Get off a burning ship.”

Cui bono.

*”They” being the hustlers — the fanatics will continue to shriek, but, those pitiful folks are and always have been mere tools.

Brad-DXT
March 1, 2022 10:47 am

They realize that relying heavily on something that only is worthwhile in niche applications (windmills and solar) and outside sources for baseload energy.
It’s unbelievable that it took this long.
Or maybe their payoffs have dried up.

jeffery p
Reply to  Brad-DXT
March 1, 2022 1:15 pm

I don’t expect the Greens to have an actual conversion. But the rest of the Germans? There is hope.

Tom.1
March 1, 2022 10:55 am

Thanks Vlad.

griff
March 1, 2022 11:21 am

‘Renewable energy is freedom energy’ | Germany speeds all-green target to 2035 to ease Russia grip | Recharge (rechargenews.com)

Germany aims to turbocharge its push for renewables with plans to source almost all its power from green sources by 2035 – up to 15 years earlier than previously envisaged – in a move designed to both lessen reliance on Russian gas and help meet climate goals with what one minister called “Freedom Energy”.

A draft of a so-called ‘Easter Package’ of legislation sets at mid next decade the target to get “nearly all” power from renewables. The current goal set under Germany’s EEG renewables law only stipulates this should be achieved by 2050.
The draft said the 2035 goal would bring Germany into line with other nations such as the US and UK, which are already looking to decarbonise electricity by then.

Under the draft proposal, which is still under discussion internally, the German government wants 80% of power to come from renewables as soon as 2030, helped by onshore wind additions that hit 10GW a year from 2027 onwards and solar installations of 20GW from 2028.

The newly-installed German coalition government said when it took office last year that it aimed to sweep away obstacles to onshore wind growth, including cumbersome permitting rules that have hobbled the sector there for years.
New offshore wind additions are due to reach 6GW in 2029, 9GW in 2030 and then continue at 4GW annually from 2031.’

Gregory Woods
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 11:36 am

Hey Griffter, I no longer read your comments – I go directly to the bottom to give you a ‘no’ vote….

John Endicott
Reply to  Gregory Woods
March 2, 2022 8:38 am

Heh, that does save time and brain cells.

jeffery p
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 11:50 am

Get a grip, griff. How can renewables bring energy freedom when China is virtually the sole supplier and controls the raw materials?

Dave Andrews
Reply to  jeffery p
March 2, 2022 7:11 am

Yep. Here are just some of China’s share of global Critical Resource Minerals (CRMs)

Antimony 87%
Bismuth 82%
Gallium 73%
Germanium 67%
Magnesium 87%
Natural Graphite 69%
Silicon Metal61%
Tungsten 84%
LREEs 95% (Light Rare Earth Elements)
HREEs 95% (Heavy Rare Earth Elements)

Janice Moore
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 11:51 am

“…..said….”

“….last year……”

Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 11:52 am

Seems to be a joke griff took for serious. No wind, no energy, multiplication with zero always is zero.
In addition, more mills you have, more energy is drawn out of the system, less the mills produce.
You know, griff, you can use the energy only once, but for your simple mind it’s to complicate to understand.

griff
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 11:58 am
Janice Moore
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 12:58 pm

…. of your either being: A. ignorant of facts; or B. a liar.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 5:28 pm

Both, obviously

jeffery p
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 1:16 pm

You can read dates, can’t you?

Get a grip, griff

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Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 1:35 pm

I aim to be an angel, so what ? 😀 😀

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Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 3:42 pm

Griff:

Could you indulge my curiosity and answer two questions?

  1. What makes an energy source “renewable”? More to the point, what is the definition of “renewable” in the context of energy?
  2. Why is renewable energy desirable?

I look forward to your reply.

LdB
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 7:07 pm

Quoting historic statements before it hit the fan … you really are funny.

Griff and Barry keeping the dream alive 🙂

Dave Andrews
Reply to  LdB
March 2, 2022 7:19 am

According to Wind Europe almost half of Europe’s windfams will come to the end of their natural life by 2030, presumably many of them will be in Germany

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Dave Andrews
March 2, 2022 7:21 am

Darn. This was meant to be a reply to Drake below at 12.07pm

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MarkW
Reply to  Dave Andrews
March 2, 2022 9:29 am

So much for Barry’s frequent claims that Germany is going to be self sufficient in wind and solar by 2030.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2022 7:24 am

A press release is one thing. Actually doing it is something else.
So far their rate of progress is way, way short of making that goal.

Drake
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 12:07 pm

Since you know so much about wind and solar output and construction schedules griff, when will the new construction no longer even replace the nameplate capacity of units that no longer work? I am looking for a specific year.

I patiently await your well researched and referenced response./sarc

Graham
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 1:54 pm

See my comments above to B A griff .
They apply to you.
You post rubbish on this sight.
Why does Germany import so much gas from Russia if renewables are so great .

Barry Anthony
Reply to  Graham
March 1, 2022 2:34 pm

Fossil fuel shill logic: 1) Spend decades and billions on bribing/intimidating governments to prevent them from deploying renewables. 2) Pretend to laugh when pointing at the lagging deployment of renewables. 3) Mysteriously claim that renewables are somehow behind the skyrocketing costs of fossil fuels. 

Graham
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 5:19 pm

I really do not know why I am trying to talk sense to you .B A
Until there is relable battery storage at a low price wind solar cannot generate power on windless days and solar struggles on cloudy days and produces nothing at night.
The only way the wind and solar can work at a reasonable cost is by using hydro stations that can be turned on and off as required .
The green blob are against Hydro so it is extremely difficult to build new hydro stations anywhere.
This works well in New Zealand BUT we have a coal fired Power Station at Huntly sitting on top of a coal field but our dumb government has virtually stopped coal mining here in NZ.
Our hydro dams were low last year and a million tonnes of coal was imported from Indonesia to run the station to keep our country running .
We have a lot of gas fields off shore but the first thing our communist Prime Minister did on being elected was to declare she had a nuclear moment and stopped all further oil and gas offshore exploration .
Fossil fuels are sky rocketing because many countries are actively restricting oil and gas drilling and further exploration.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 5:42 pm

So much paranoia, so little actual intelligence.

Can anyone find a western government that isn’t forcing renewables on their populations? So much for the claim that anyone is bribing governments to not deploy unworkables?

Your second point directly contradicts your first point.

When you try to lie, you should at least try to make it believable.
Nobody has ever claimed that unworkables are making fossil fuels expensive. It is government bans on the development of fossil fuels that are making them expensive.
Unworkables are making electricity expensive.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 5:52 pm

>>It is government bans on the development of fossil fuels that are making them expensive.<< How, exactly? What recent US legislation has impacted today’s supplies of fossil fuels? Be specific, please.

>>Unworkables are making electricity expensive.<< I’ve provided multiple real-world examples proving your statement is absolutely false. That you continue repeat it is disappointing.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 7:47 pm

Truly ridiculous Barry
If RE worked and was cheap the media wouldn’t be full of stories of grid instability and high energy costs.

Sorry to break it to you but your consensus is falling apart

But I do like watching you thrash around as the titanic sinks

MarkW
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
March 2, 2022 7:26 am

If renewables worked, government wouldn’t have to subsidize and mandate it.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 7:25 am

You have provided claims, backed up by more claims. No actual data. On the other hand, there is the fact that the more renewables a place has, the more their electricity costs. This is true world over.

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 7:31 am

>>You have provided claims, backed up by more claims. No actual data.<< AGAIN, here’s a real-time snapshot of South Australia’s grid contributions and costs over the past 30 days. What do you notice about the costs, Mark? Will you continue to claim that this isn’t actual data? https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=30d&interval=1d

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 9:30 am

Those aren’t consumer costs, they are what the utility is being paid. It has nothing to do with the actual cost of production.

For crying out loud, why are you so unwilling to learn even the basics of these subjects?

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 11:47 am

>>Those aren’t consumer costs, they are what the utility is being paid. It has nothing to do with the actual cost of production.<< You can slither around all you’d like, but the reality has been overwhelmingly documented: Wind and solar are BY FAR less expensive than fossil fuels. Don’t fear the future. Renewables own it.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/south-australia-had-lowest-cost-of-supply-in-main-grid-in-october-25382/

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 2, 2022 3:51 pm

How many times are you going to drag out the same piece of discredited propaganda.

You keep whining about how you demand that others only produce peer reviewed studies by known scientists from “reputable journals”. Yet you yourself refuse to abide by the standard that you demand of others.

Have you no shame?

Barry Anthony
Reply to  MarkW
March 2, 2022 5:46 pm

How many times are you going to fall back on that tired old Genetic fallacy and ignore the actual official references in the articles? In this case, the article cites the Australian Energy Market Operator’s pricing. Are the AEMO’s metrics “discredited propaganda?”

In a way, I sympathize with the plight in which fossil fuel shills find themselves. After declaring throughout the 90s that wind and solar could never compete in any metric, they’ve watched in horror as the accelerating deployment and plummeting costs of both sources are sending both fossil fuel and nuclear energy to the boneyard. Every day, step by step, it’s happening. The dominance of renewables is inevitable.

MarkW
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 3, 2022 6:28 am

You are citing what the operators get paid, it has nothing to do with their costs.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
March 3, 2022 3:13 am

Don’t you know by now, trolls like barry, griff, simon, et al never have any shame.

LdB
Reply to  Barry Anthony
March 1, 2022 7:09 pm

Oh noes Fossil Shills again it’s another conspiracy have you got your tinfoil hat on as well?

Dropkick

Rich Lentz(@usurbrain)
Reply to  griff
March 2, 2022 7:09 pm

@Griff – Use Your Brain – That is physically impossible.
Efficiency of solar is so low it is not worth building, The electricity generated does not pay for the manufacture, erection, maintenance and decommissioning. PERIOD.
Wind will not work without storage of at least two weeks for any and all portions of the grid. Batteries will not be cost effective, that means Hydro and that means dams and large reservoirs and they will have constant variation in level making them useless for reaction purposes.
Worse, with all the push for this Green Energy the cost of raw materials is going to increase exponentially, making that unaffordable and China, the source, will own your country. YOUR COUNTRY WILL END UP BANKRUPT, China owns you and still no Net-Zero-Green energy.

Derg
March 1, 2022 11:25 am

“ Germany needs an immediate solution to real energy problems caused by the Ukraine crisis, ”

Hahaha they had a crisis before Ukraine. Only dolts believe in fossil free.

Peta of Newark
March 1, 2022 11:46 am
DiggerUK
March 1, 2022 11:48 am

Stop getting excited, this is not the beginning of the end. Think of it as a ‘rue de guerre’
This character has been in the pork barrel for so long that he has his own barrel with a hand carved monogram on the side. He knows the Green Racket ain’t stopping anytime soon. He also has a politicians six figure salary with a big fat pension to follow in retirement.

Pragmatism is a necessary quality for such swamp dwellers…_

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fretslider
March 1, 2022 11:51 am

No danger of the UK following suit

If only there were

griff
Reply to  fretslider
March 1, 2022 1:00 pm
Graham
Reply to  griff
March 1, 2022 4:54 pm

The only use the Guardian paper is to start a fire .
You keep quoting the guardian when we all know that it is the most biased news? paper in Britain.
When our papers are short of news they quote the guardian .
what utter rubish.

YallaYPoora Kid
Reply to  Graham
March 1, 2022 5:59 pm

Nah no good for a fire either – too Green!
Only way to light it is to throw some fossil fuel on it and hey presto it burns 🙂

Richard Page
Reply to  Graham
March 2, 2022 5:32 am

Nope – the Guardian is far too wet to start a fire; it is, however, quite soft and absorbent.

Smart Rock
March 1, 2022 12:08 pm

John Kerry, that master of the absurd, the impractical and the hypocritical, worried that the war in Ukraine would draw attention away from the climate crisis (sic). He actually got that one right!!

Well, there’s a first time for everything.

MarkW
March 1, 2022 12:35 pm

Now if we can only get Brandon to pay attention.

Janice Moore
Reply to  MarkW
March 1, 2022 1:01 pm

Wave a big wad of cash in his face. That MIGHT make some of those neurons fire….

Mr. Lee
March 1, 2022 12:38 pm

Meh, it’s an opportunity to save face. They say the reason they are pivoting is one thing, but in reality, it’s because their original plan wasn’t working. These people are so transparent, once you understand that they think like 5th graders.

Now they have complete freedom to do whatever lines their pockets the most. If the green gravy train arrives, then they need to save the planet. If fossil fuel producers promise lower energy (and therefore higher voter approval), then energy security is most important.

oebele bruinsma
March 1, 2022 1:01 pm

Under pressure, everything becomes fluid

richard
March 1, 2022 2:19 pm

The world woke up and had to find a way to elegantly have a reason to push back on the green agenda.

Tom.1
March 1, 2022 2:33 pm

Abandon downvoting!!! If someone is trolling you, then downvoting is actually encouragement. If you want to see griff and Barry go away, then stop voting or commenting on their posts.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Tom.1
March 1, 2022 6:16 pm

Who wants them to go away?

They are so much FUN! 😀

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
March 1, 2022 6:17 pm

Heh. Last check, Barry was at MINUS 70!

Go, Barry.

Lololol

LdB
Reply to  Tom.1
March 1, 2022 7:11 pm

We want them to stay the humor an stupidity is actually quite entertaining.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Tom.1
March 1, 2022 7:41 pm

I rarely downvote your oily comments

Mac
March 1, 2022 2:50 pm
Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mac
March 2, 2022 4:07 am

That’s what they ought to show, because that’s what the Biden administration is: A Dumpster fire.

Biden has a Bizarro administration. Everything he does is just the opposite of what he should do, If he were looking out for the American people.

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TonyG
Reply to  Tom Abbott
March 2, 2022 6:50 am

Everything he does is just the opposite of what he should do

I’ve been asking “If you wanted to intentionally destroy the United States, what would you do differently?”

michael hart
March 1, 2022 4:09 pm

Fifty years late, unfortunately. Their politics has got some way to go to catch up with their engineering skills.
I wonder who will really be first to manufacture large numbers of small modular reactors?

Dennis G Sandberg
March 1, 2022 4:26 pm

So Germany is now planning to meet their 2020 CO2 goals in 2040 instead of 2030. Got it.

Quilter52
March 1, 2022 6:00 pm

Reality has a way of biting one in the backside!

observa
March 1, 2022 6:46 pm

Necessity is the mother of reinvention. Some children take longer to work out their parents weren’t stupid.

Graham