Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Russia has vetoed an attempt to pass a resolution which would have made climate change UN Security Council business.
Russia vetoes UN resolution linking climate change, security
Russia has vetoed a first-of-its-kind U.N. Security Council resolution casting climate change as a threat to international peace and security
By JENNIFER PELTZ Associated Press14 December 2021, 07:30
NEW YORK — Russia on Monday vetoed a first-of-its-kind U.N. Security Council resolution casting climate change as a threat to international peace and security, a vote that sank a years-long effort to make global warming a more central consideration for the U.N.’s most powerful body.
Spearheaded by Ireland and Niger, the proposal called for “incorporating information on the security implications of climate change” into the council’s strategies for managing conflicts and into peacekeeping operations and political missions, at least sometimes. The measure also asked the U.N. secretary-general to make climate-related security risks “a central component” of conflict prevention efforts and to report on how to address those risks in specific hotspots.
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But India and veto-wielding Russia voted no, while China abstained.
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Russian Ambassador Vassily Nebenzia complained that Monday’s proposed resolution would turn “a scientific and economic issue into a politicized question,” divert the council’s attention from what he called “genuine” sources of conflict in various places and give the council a pretext to intervene in virtually any country on the planet.
“This approach would be a ticking time bomb,” he said.
India and China questioned the idea of tying conflict to climate, and they predicted trouble for the Glasgow commitments if the Security Council — a body that can impose sanctions and dispatch peacekeeping troops — started weighing in more.
“What the Security Council needs to do is not a political show,” Chinese Ambassador Zhang Jun said.
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Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/russia-vetoes-resolution-linking-climate-change-security-81725579
The resolution, if passed, could have led to utter insanity – UN peacekeepers deployed to the Amazon to protect the rainforest, using military weapons against Brazilian forest workers, or even an international military blockade of Aussie coal exports.
Although the bill was officially sponsored by Ireland and Niger, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Biden administration helped push it forward. John Kerry has been pushing hard for people to accept his evidence free claim that climate change is a security threat.
I suggest Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border while Putin publicly laments the fall of the Soviet Union, and Chinese aggression in the South China Sea and the Indian border, with a real risk of imminent invasion of Taiwan, are probably slightly more pressing security concerns than what the weather will be like a hundred years from now.
Update (EW): The UN press release and background is available here.
Update (EW): John Shewchuk points out this is a repeat attempt, they also tried this UN Security climate stunt last February.
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Another long face for Kerry.
John Kerry walks into a bar….
bartender says “hit him again!”
John Kerry says, “Don’t medal with my face!”
… the bartender says:
“pogue mo thoin and get the hell out of my bar greenboy … ya thick mick spudfkr cntrag“.
which is followed by applause from the primarily Irish patrons.
John returns from the mens’ john at Alexandria’s bar and asks: What’s this string doing in my Bloody Mary?
Another long face for Kerry’s handlers the wizards behind the curtain who could print all they needed to buy/corrupt the system.
Hasn’t the world changed when Russia and India are the good guys?
I don’t know if I’d call Russia a good guy, given all the trouble they seem to be stirring in the Ukraine, but they did the world a favour by vetoing this absurd resolution.
A [violent] coup without cause. A nation divided by choice.
Who knows.
I used to listen to Radio Moscow sometimes on an old valve shortwave receiver in the mid 80s. I was no communist, just wanted to know what was happening.
One time there was an accident offloading a US nuclear warship in port, a chain snapped and they dropped one of the nukes on the dock, where the conventional explosive implosion package allegedly detonated.
Radio Moscow provided details, claimed 11 people had died in the blast.
Voice of America never said anything.
Aussie ABC had a short TV news clip 3 days later, explaining there had been a minor accident offloading a nuclear warship, but nothing about any explosion or casualties.
I have no idea whether the Radio Moscow version of events was correct. But lets just say I never trusted MSM coverage of anything after that incident. So I’m prepared to accept the possibility that we have been told a complete pack of lies about what is happening in the Ukraine.
So I’m prepared to accept the possibility that we have been told a complete pack of lies about what is happening in the Ukraine.
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Yeah, that’s a pretty good assessment of today’s news media.
Victoria Nuland actually told the truth, above.
I wonder if U.S. Attorney, Durham has questioned Victoria Nuland yet?
She didn’t tell the truth all the time.
Which bits? She avoided telling the truth about the Maidan protests being funded by the US State Department, sort of lied about having picked the pro-west government ahead of time and blatantly lied in her testimony to the US govt about Ukraine. I don’t think that justifies a blanket assertion that she told the truth.
Everyone knows $5 billion is a stack of truth.
A lot of people have lost a lot of trust in many institutions ( medical, science, sports leagues, entertainment, and All politics.) For very good reasons.
What makes a place The Ukraine? A common concept is that the Slavic word “ukraina” is the name’s origin and means borderlands (plural). During the USSR epoch the region was called in Russian “The Ukraine” – the borderlands.
Your map is not really that clear in its intent. Crimea was taken from the Russians and handed over to Ukraine by Kruschev. Now there are problems.
And the Russians took it from the Crimean tartars
And they took it from whoever who took it from whoever etc.
Check the US border changes for the last 500 years and then criticize.
The old problem of irredentism. Every nation can claim some lost land so wars never end. Mussolini wanted the Roman Empire back.
But Crimea is very important to Russia.
You can’t have a bunch of anarchists blockading the Russian sea trade, by causing trouble and instability in Crimea, as per the wish and will of their master, powerful western political and otherwise special interests.
One can’t go against the Russia’s “wind pipe”, the Russia global trade and it’s economical value, and in the same time expecting Russia to play “dead”,
and not respond accordingly.
It is stupid to punch the bear in the face and expect a bear’s smile back.
(As berrio found out, rather quickly and shockingly)
Russia can not afford for Crimea to go unstable, anarchic and out of normal basic order… too costly, far too much.
cheers
Curious. What’s the basic meaning and hence, etymology, of irredentism?
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=irredentism
All of this resonates with the slide to war in 1938 and 1939. Hitler’s expansion into the Rhineland Sudetenland and Danzig corridor were arguably justified by the ethnicity of the territory claimed, and there may be a case on Russia’s side in parts of Ukraine. On the other hand the infliction of famine on the Ukraine by Stalin underlines Ukraine’s wish to stay out of the Russian state.
Putin’s brutal repression of dissent at home is also a powerful reason to support Ukraine. On the other hand Ukraine is as corrupt an oligarchy as Russia so one might argue ” a plague on both their houses.
Having helped bring down the communist state we could have been helpful to the renaissance of Russia and avoided creating a formidable enemy while we kow towed to an even more formidable one in China
No mention of the SS Galicia? Today’s Bandera followers are so unbelievable no EU TV channel dares show their marches. And 2 prominent Green German Government ministers would have to hide under the carpet, calling for arming Ukraine.
There is some pushback, but all in the shadows when reason sleeps.
Arguably Ukraine is a far more corrupt state than Russia; the oligarchs are as entrenched now as they ever were under a pro-Russian government and what can you really say about a regime that employed the convicted Georgian criminal Sakashvilli as a regional governor?
His return home backfired….
It did, I think he was banking on a favourable regime change!
I really don’t understand why China is “the enemy”.
“The Ukraine” is akin to “die Ostmark” (Nazi designation for Austria). Both terms imply that the territory is a dependent part of the larger whole.
If we are sympathetic to the idea that the country is a distinct and independent entity, we say “Ukraine” without the definite article, if we want to convey support for Russian domination of the territory, then “The Ukraine”.
Of course I also understand that long usage in English can be the explanation for choosing to use a term without supporting the contemporary political undertones of the term. For example, if FJB calls someone a “Negro”, he probably is just having a dementia episode rather than pining for Jim Crow.
Ostmark?
The country was/is named Osterreich….means same thing, or France is Frankenreich.
Die Ostmark, as I said, was the Nazi designation for Österreich after the Anschluss (annexation) in 1938. This was logically necessary since Österreich means eastern empire, but the territory was then part of Deutsches Reich (German Empire).
Reich doesnt have exact english translation but its best given as ‘realm’. The actual empire time was called Kaiserreich with their love of compound words
Yes, realm is a reasonable synonym but it was usually translated as empire from the origins in the Holy Roman Empire as both Germany and Austro-Hungary had kaisers (caesars).
Is there some reason why you keep deflecting with irrelevant points? It’s almost as if you know it’s correct but you don’t want to acknowledge my point so you keep making comments as if something I wrote was incorrect.
And btw it’s Frankreich, not Frankenreich, Duker.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novorossiya
New Mexico is in big trouble, New York is next
Non sequitur much?
Surprisingly large number of US broken arrow incidents…probably most weren’t publicised at the time. Some were just weapons transfer and weren’t armed while others did have the initial conventional explosive detonate but obviously didn’t read to chain reaction
https://www.atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrows/index.html
Eric, since I‘m living close (Germany) and follow all the developments, I can assure you, that they put accidentally (purposely?) fascists (MSM calls them extrem nationalist) in power and the current president bows to their power. Just recently they celebrated army day and the president called the WW2 nazi collaborators national hero’s. That says it all!
They have their own battalion (Azos) and are very active against minorities.
No German TV dares show the Kiev torchlight marches. It is likely illegal to do so. Ironically then Kiev hides all this under German law.
Kind of like the MSM doesn’t like to show just how peaceful the mostly peaceful Antifa/BLM race riots were?
At least Antifa/BLM types are in the Brandon Administration whereas the National Corps have no members of parliament. in Ukraine.
Ok that’s an amazing qualification- living close.
You neglect to mention anything about how many seats the National Corps have in the Rada (parliament). They are to Azov as Sinn Fein was to the IRA. It’s Azov by the way (not Azos). And the answer to my question is? Wait for it…
Zero out of 450.
heros
Remember the Kursk boomer sinking? What Russian airwaves were saying would chill the blood. We were so close to WWIII no one would tolerate the thought.
It’s extremely unlikely that the conventional explosives detonated and killed 11 people. There is a database of all such accidents involving nuclear weapons – you can access a summary here;
https://atomicarchive.com/almanac/broken-arrows/index.html
I don’t doubt that a weapon was dropped without detonating the conventional explosives as I’m aware of another incident where a nuclear weapon was dropped without the conventional explosives detonating that didn’t make the database.
Most likely Radio Moscow was lying, they often did, and Russia is still known to spread misinformation.
I remember a client, who made fuses for certain missiles, remarking at the time of the missile silo explosion in Arkansas (? memory) in the early 1980s remarking that the fuses were over fail-safed. I said you mean to tell me if we launch there is a good chance that Ivan, crossing Red Square, gets killed not by a blast from a nuc, but by 2 tons of failing steel? Client and his chief engineer smiled.
My thinking is that if the Conventional Detonator Package exploded, then it would, as designed, initiate the Nuclear reaction. Unless they had already removed the Nuclear Package which is unlikely.
If by some unlikely circumstance the Conventional Explosives detonated without causing the Nuclear reaction then that would have been a really bad ‘Dirty Bomb’ Incident and would have been hard to imagine so few casualties or it being able to be covered up.
As far as I understand it, troops are building east of the border to discourage NATO outplacement of weaponry which is basically meant to be used on the far eastern Ukraine frontline, i.e e.g against local communities with more business eastwards than westwards.
As far as I understand it, the Russkie took back Crimea to ensure NATO did not establish a maritime base in Sevastopol.
I remember history as it happened. I might be adult.
Oddgeir
A Na*zi coup paid for by Obama, Biden and Victoria Nuland (current diplomat for Russia) . Video of Nuland saying the coup cost $5 billion,
Victoria Nuland’s Admits Washington Has Spent $5 Billion to “Subvert Ukraine” 80,030 views Feb 9, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY&t=462s
Hey, regime change costs!
Let’s hope it costs Victoria Nuland.
The amounts that were paid to the leaders of the Maidan protest have been a matter of record in the US State Department accounts.
Just wanted to hear it from the horses mouth.
From the works of Tsu Chen “The art of war” I think “never interfere with an enemy while he’s in the process of destroying himself”
what is Putin thinking of in obstructing this UN idiocy. But thank God that he is.
Don’t think the “while he is making a mistake” line can ever formally be credited to anyone.
Confident it wasn’t ‘Art of War’ (or at least the Chinese version).
I think the first solid evidence was from a political type cartoon in the mid 19th showing Napoleon giving advice to his Marshalls while observing a battle. As far as I know there is zero record of Napoleon actually saying this.
This line sounds all good and wise, but the footnote should cover that once your enemy has completed his mistake, you need to punish him for it before he has time to fix it error.
“This line sounds all good and wise, but the footnote should cover that once your enemy has completed his mistake, you need to punish him for it before he has time to fix it error.”
Yes, the second part is the most important part.
The closest I can find with a quick google is an attribution to Napoleon
An 1836 multi-volume history book titled “French Revolution” dates the quotation to a battle in 1805. These words may have been transformed into the modern maxim [FR]:
How accurate that history book is to what was actually said in 1805 is unknown, but that seems to be the closest source of the quote.
Russians know that CO2 “policing” by the UN has the potential to put a nation’s manufacturing output into disarray with CO2 emissions rules and confuses government administrator’s supply chain priorities. This is something they very much wish upon the Western economies, but not on themselves. Their programs making use of enviro group “useful idiots” in the West is already very successful without any need for the UN to stick their noses into Russian industrial capacity.
It is the US that is stirring up trouble in Ukraine…
It was actually Britain’s MI6 operative Christopher Steele who was involved in the Maidan. The very same Steele of the totally discredited Russiagate caper that ruined Trump’s presidency. Of course, as Nuland said above the US invested $5 billion.
Result – the country with the lowest GDP in Europe.
You mean the totally discredited Russiagate caper that tried *and failed* to ruin Trump’s presidency. Despite the steel dossier being the driver of the “russia coluuuuusssssion” conspiracy theories that lead to impeachment (and endless blathering of talking heads in the MSM nattering on and on about it), Trump remained in office for his entire term and Russiagate did not actually stop Trump from doing anything while in office.
Russiagate almost started WWIII – the damage is still suppurating. Trump could not accomplish his goals. Not to mention trying to find sane admin personnel. Flynn was quickly removed. MI6 definitely did great damage.
Steele wasn’t employed by MI6 at that time – he had started his own private company.
Orbis. Sure. You leave the firm in a box…
Steele was possibly Skripals handler as well. It’s a small world isn’t it?
Likely knows where the skeletons are buried….
He probably buried a few of them personally.
Steele’s teammate Pablo Miller also later together at Orbis, recruited Skripal.
Victoria Nuland, Fiona Hill, Igor Danchenko . . all good mates at the Brookings Institution.
Fiona Hill was also good friends with Christopher Steele.
Cosy.
Saying it is so doesn’t necessarily make it so. Evidence would be nice.
Victoria Nuland said so in such a nice charming speech in 2014. Link above.
And since 2014 another $2.4 billion and counting. All US taxdollars.
Ukraine, not the Ukraine.
Russia is not stirring up trouble.
There is simply a large caravan of potential immigrants that want a better life in Ukraine, outside of Russia.
If they can safely cross the border, and become established in Ukraine, their standard of living will increase and they will become hard working assets, of benefit to the Ukraine economic community.
If the Ukrainian government uses military force to stop the immigrant caravan(s) (and protect its borders) it will show that they are actually selfish bigot/racist that don’t care about their neighbors.
India has always been a “good guy” sadly Russia was turned into a “bad guy” by John McCain and the rest of the war hawks after Bush left office. While Bush was President, he did a hell of a lot to normalize relations with Russia. In fact, we were making great strides towards becoming friends with Russia, but McCain and his friends hated the idea, and did everything they could to stop that from happening. The changes that would have brought the world closer together were instead thrown out because Obama listened to the war hawks.
The end result was that in just a few short weeks after Obama took office, all of the gains we made with Russia over the prior 8 years were wasted.
If anyone turned Russia into a bad guy, it was Putin.
Nobody forced Russia to go around invading it’s neighbors.
Nobody forced NATO to expand, breaking its promises.
That’s exactly right. Putin wants a new Russian Empire and he’s not that interested in cooperating with the West.
I see you got six down votes from know-nothings.
Putin’s paid trolls are always active.
Yes, they are pretty sensitive to criticism.
McCain, sad but true. Obama didn’t necessarily listen to the war hawks, he just didn’t want to “appear weak on defense”. It’ll be interesting to see how Biden avoids appearing weak with the Ukrainian and Taiwan situations.
He played their game fully, while wreaking havoc in the Middle East.
With a Nobel Peace Prize, bombing Libya into the stone age, causing the migrant crisis for the EU.
No surprise as his stepdad Soetoro was a CIA wet man in Indonesia.
Biden already appears weak. Biden is weak. Biden will avoid getting in Russia or China’s way, while trying to make himself look like a tough guy. The Russians and Chinese are not fooled.
Agreed. The same statists people made certain Trump and Russia never had a chance to resume that progress.
Got any names?
Start with Dearlove, Steele, follow the trail. This is by now extremely well documented.
I watched the television interview with President Putin a few years ago, a US broadcaster presentation, and I was most impressed with him and his common sense approach.
His common sense approach doesn’t mean he is not a murderous dictator.
That comment does not mean you are not the Yorkshire Ripper.
I think there’s more evidence of Putin being a murderous dictator, than of me being the Yorkshire Ripper.
jChaney
Your memory is a bit flawed.
Or have you forgotten the Hildebeast’s mistranslated “Reset button” that was supposed to restore friendly relations with Russia after W allegedly damaged the relationship? Or Obozo’s hot mike incident in 2012 where he promised he could be more open about his support for Putin after the election?
Well Hildebeast is back warning of the end of democracy, the universe and everything, if Trump is re-elected. I would not let the beast near any button.
Hillary and all the other radical Democrats are making a great effort to continue to demonize Trump because they are afraid Trump is going to be president again.
It’s the Democrats who are destroying Democracy, not the Republcans. The Democrats always accuse the other side of doing what they are doing.
Trump will destroy the socialist paradise the radical Democrats are dreaming of, but that’s not the same as destroying Democracy, it is, in fact, saving Democracy from radical Democrat Socialists.
Hillary gets socialism and democracy confused.
Sure do hope she runs for president next time so Donald can beat her a second time.
Don’t rule a Hillary run out. Who else do the Democrats have? Nobody. Joe Manchin would be a good Democrat candidate, but no Democrat would vote for him because he’s not radical enough for them. Hillary is about the only one left.
Run, Hillary, run! That is, if you are not indicted at the time. That would not be good for your candidacy. The U.S. attorney looking into Impeachmentgate, has already charged two of Hillary’s cronies with lying to Congress. He’s getting closer, Hillary. Nervous yet?
It sure looks like they have no one else. Unless Kamala gets there first?
You mean Kamala, the border czar who hasn’t even been to the border? (although she was close) . . that Kamala?
I think Kamala is a lost cause.
“Hillary gets socialism and democracy confused.”
Talking about being confused… Tom, you do realise a country can be democratic and socialist right?
You need to define your terms (eg socialism) so others (and more importantly you) can have a reasonable conversation.
(But my guess is that you would rather have a conversation with variable definitions or the terminology that is used)
Not the way Hillary wants to run things. She will be socialist and authoritarian. She and the other Democrats are currently trying to undermine the voting process. I don’t consider that democratic.
“It’s the Democrats who are destroying Democracy, not the Republcans. The Democrats always accuse the other side of doing what they are doing.”
Please, enough with this democracy crap (Socrates, where are you); Hillary et al are trying to destroy our Constitutional Republic!
Thanks for pointing that out.
“In fact, we were making great strides towards becoming friends with Russia, but McCain and his friends hated the idea, and did everything they could to stop that from happening.”
How so? I’m seeing a lot of these claims, but nobody provides any evidence to back up these claims. Where’s some evidence for McCain and the other warhawks undermining Ukraine?
Who are the other warhawks?
I’m sensing conspiracy theories.
See Victoria Nuland’s frank admission, link above. McCain lost his marbles long before. Biden oversaw the Maidan coup as Obama’s viceroy. Christopher Steel of London’s MI6 drafted Nulands memos on Ukraine. See Harding’s Collusion.
So these warhawks didn’t actually start a war?
When they say “undermining the Ukraine” they mean the bipartisan support for helping the Ukrainians throw Putin’s puppet out of office.
When they speak of neo-nazi militants they are referring to people who are as much a part of the Ukrainian government as the KKK is part of the Brandon Administration.
Either they are knowing trolls for Russia or they are useful idiots mouthing Kremlin propaganda.
And let me say that I have no affection for John McCain.
I honor McCain’s military service, but he really let me down in his later years with his consuming hatred of Trump, to the point that he cast a vote in favor of Obamacare, just to hurt Trump, that ended up hurting millions of Americans by jacking the price of their health insurance sky high.
Trump questioned McCain’s military standing and McCain lost his mind over it, he was so bitter.
John, what the hell do you care what Trump says on the campaign trail? You let it get to you. You know you served honorably in the war, as does everyone else. That should be enough. You don’t need praise from politicians. But apparently *you* do need praise, or you throw a fit.
A very sad, hurtful ending.
I agree toorightmate, if I had been told fifty years ago that in my lifetime what was essentially the USSR would be protecting citizens of what was then the free world from the subversive intents of their own politicians — or for that matter that the weather would become a fiery political issue — I would not have believed it.
Hi Chris,
If you really want to see how twisted the US is with Russia, I really recommend this documentary. The film maker had to re-edit his entire film when he finally “stumbled upon the truth”, and John McCain was right in he middle of it. It is the basis of all of the Russia sanctions. The first 20 minutes of the film are a little slow, but when the “wheels come off” it becomes a Cold War spy thriller. The full film is at the bottom of this web page (white arrow to play):
The Magnitsky Act: Behind the Scenes
https://swprs.org/the-magnitsky-act-movie/
Description here:
A Blacklisted Film and the New Cold War
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/08/02/a-blacklisted-film-and-the-new-cold-war/
If anyone has the time and the interest, I HIGHLY recommend it. If the US govt. can do the above, then altering the climate data is just a part of standard operating procedure to maintain a narrative they want to project.
British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab announced that the UK under the ”Global Anti-Corruption Sanctions Regulations of 2021” will go after the same Magnitsky accused and more. In other words a UK Magnitsky is already here.
Blinken, Yellin already commended Raab.
Made in the UK.
India has a pretty solid history.
History doesn’t trump current times. India will look to themselves, whichever way the wind might blow. Not faulting the country or people, I do the same every day.
And Who were the good guys ? Where are people not treated like cannon fodder and guinea pigs ? Where are you a free person ? Where do those in power not want to know everything about you ?
Oklahoma.
Russia is just exercising common sense.
Too bad the U.S. leadership can’t do the same.
It is rather sad that Russia had to remind the US that they are supposed to be about freedom.
Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness… and a notably market-oriented [democratic] system. Baby steps.
I would have no illusions. Putin blocks these resolutions because of Russian interests.
We should not confuse the unintended consequences with the main intent.
It’s a good thing to be sure, and some things about Putinism are not incompatible with US conservatism (classical liberalism) just as not every National Socialist policy in Germany was pure evil.
On balance however, k!lling political opponents, journalists, and annexing parts of other countries ought to give us pause before becoming fanbois of Vlad. His resume looks a lot like that of the house painter from Braunau am Inn.
“I would have no illusions. Putin blocks these resolutions because of Russian interests.”
That’s right. Putin doesn’t want UN Climate Change inspectors traipsing around his country.
I don’t think the current government of the U.S. is about freedom. it’s all about controlling the populace, to them. And the reason they want to control the populace is to keep themselves in power.
U.S. leadership was ELECTED by our ignorant voting citizens. That and the dead and illegal voters of course.
Some think the globalists are crazy with a “death jab” to those who vote for them. Apparently they are just securing that vote for eternity.
With the help of Lord Moloch-Brown’s Smartmatic.
I’m not so sure they were elected.
Just from the summary above, I agree with Russia this time.
Even a stop (analog) clock is right twice a day.
You got that right – now you can once more today be right. Tik Tok…
Sadly, bonbon, you don’t ever manage to be as accurate as a stopped clock. But I’m sure your poor track record is all Mark Carney and the evil British Banksters fault, after all everything else wrong in the world is their fault according to you.
Marc Carney, the circus carny, is Canadian. He needs $100 trillion immediately with a relentless, ruthless focus on NetZero (his words at Bloomberg).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2021-11-01/net-zero-a-ruthless-relentless-focus-for-gfanz-carney-video
Curiously Carney is all about times and dates. Somewhere a clock is ticking.
It’s been interesting to live long enough to watch Russia using common sense in the UN while the rest of the world, notably, including the US, goes bats#|t crazy.
I think that’s because Putin doesn’t believe in Human-caused Climate Change.
Remember, the Russian temperature computer model of the world shows the least temperature rise of all the computer models. If the UN were honest, they would settle on the Russian model as most representative of reality, and based on that, they should give up their attacks on CO2.
So Putin is not inclined to support an intrusive inspection of climate change issues when climate change is not really an issue.
Russia and India Reject Climate Alarmism at UN Security Council – Watts Up With That?
From Feb 26, 2021
Thanks John.
I think the original post was about the ‘talkfest’. This post is about the actual vote and veto.
Why do we need entertainers, don’t we have Kerry et al?
My issues with these entertainers are the cost of the ticket and being forced to go to the show
It is a bad situation when one agrees more with Russia and China more than the US in the UN.
It’s even weirder that both understood the implications of why not to do it and yet the “leaders of the free world” couldn’t make that connection.
The back story was interesting that support is currently 113 to 80 on the floor which surprised me how the support was so low given the MSM pushing.
I think it is mostly in the Developed Nations that CO2 is thought of as a crisis. The rest of the world just want their electricity.
After all their trying, the UN still can’t sell the Human-caused Climate Change narrative to everyone.
Even during the cold war, the Soviets would occasionally say true things. The same with the Chinese. The problem, of course, would be knowing which statements were the true ones.
Simple – everything London and D.C. say is truth, and everything Russia and China say is false. What could be easier than that. Even truthiness is too complicated.
Actions speak louder than words.
Russia and China are authoritarian States. They recognize when another authoritarian organization like the United Nations is trying to intrude on their territory, and they reject the idea. It makes perfect sense.
Why so many like to quote Hannah Arendt’s Authoritarian Personality beats me – that is from the Frankfurt School founded by the Hungarian Communist International official Georg Lukacs, which became the Soviet Union’s most important cultural warfare operation against the West.
It’s always a strange thing when I agree with a potential enemy.
The only reason they are an enemy is because John McCain and the war hawks wanted them to be. During the 8 years of President Bush, the US and Russia had made serious strides towards becoming friends. But John McCain and the war hawks from both parties hate Russia, so McCain did everything possible to block and obstruct any changes that Bush wanted to make that would have helped make it happen. Then, once Bush was gone, it took just a few weeks for Obama to waste all of the progress that had been made over the prior 8 years.
There is so much that gets glossed over and misreported in the American media when it comes Russia & the USSR.
Fun fact: Who is aware that Putin asked to join NATO in his first year in office?
See:
https://youtu.be/8X7Ng75e5gQ?t=1594
And history is filled with incidents like this. All it would have taken was a Security Council veto by the Soviet Union and the Korean War never would have happened. We are taught that the USSR foolishly boycotted the UN which gave the US a freehand, however, after the Soviet Union fell, and Stalin’s archives were opened, did we really learn what that missed veto was all about.
You are aware that we fought China, not Russia in Korea and that China and Russia always been enemies?
Or have you been told to gloss over any facts that make Russia look bad.
I wonder where the mig fighters came from?
The usual Chinese knockoffs. 🙂
Not at that time. A mig was hi-tech in those days. They were manned by Soviet pilots flying Chinese colours. The soviets didn’t want to be seen as being involved directly in the conflict. The US was offering big bucks to anyone that could get their hands on a mig. The soviets wanted to get their hands on the US sabers.
The Chinese were the guys on the ground dying in droves with pitchforks in their hands.
Yes, the Russians contributed a lot to the Korean war.
They lost the war anyway.
South Korea is still South Korea.
Not at that time. And from the Stalin archives, Stalin wanted the US to intervene in Korea and had Malik deliberately skip the UNSC vote. The agreement was that Mao would provide the men and Stalin the weapons. Truman felt he need UN participation to involve America in the war, and Stalin was happy to oblige by skipping the UNSC meeting. After Stalin died, Mao continued to drag out the peace talks to extract more weapons from the Soviet Union. Mao was hoping to get the atomic bomb from Russia and his continual squeezing of Khrushchev for more weapons, along with Khrushchev’s denunciation of Stalin and the “cult of personality” that surrounded him, finally caused the split.
“And from the Stalin archives, Stalin wanted the US to intervene in Korea and had Malik deliberately skip the UNSC vote.”
That makes sense, if true. I’m not sure why Stalin would want U.S. forces near his border, but maybe you have an explanation for why Stalin wanted the U.S. involved in Korea.
The North Koreans were the ones that had the Russians convinced they could conquer South Korea – Stalin had to convince the Chinese to back North Korea.
Not certain that discounts the potential impact of the Soviet Union on the situation at the time?
A simple Wikipedia search would yield some basic information. There are references available if one should choose to search further. Black and white are cool concepts. Unfortunately, the world is full of shades of grey.
The Soviet Union, at the time, was trying to foist communism on the entire world and during the subsequent years they made big inroads into a lot of nations, turning them communist.
At one time, it looked like communsim was on a roll and couldn’t be stopped, ane would take over the whole world, and that’s the reason the U.S. opposed them at every turn.
That’s why the U.S. fought in Korea and why they fought in Vietnam. It was to stop the momentum of the communist movement.
They haven’t always been enemies .. the background to Stalin and Mao era.
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/revisiting-stalins-and-maos-motivations-korean-war
The Russians are afraid the Chicoms have plans for Russian territory. The Russians have moved a lot fo troops to the Chinese border in recent months for some reason.
” for some reason ” ?
What do you think Russia and China’s greatest headache right now is?
Hint – Afghanistan implosion and more terrorism.
Made in the USA.
Made by a fool named Biden.
Biden’s stupidity has put the entire Afghan population in danger of starvation.
I saw the head of the UN World Food Council on tv the other day, and he explained that the Taliban would allow the UN Food Council to bring in food and they would not interfere in the distribution of that food, but would allow the UN Food Council to handle the entire process.
The head of this organization sounded like he had both feet on the ground and knows what he is doing and I think the United States should back this program 100 percent, as long as the Taliban do not interfere in the food distribution.
The man said it would cost $220 million per month to feed all of Afghanistan’s 25 million people.
The United States should foot this entire bill.
Joe Biden is responsible for the misery taking place in Afghanistan after his cowardly withdrawal.
Biden should feed the Afghans he is currently starving.
Biden has literally ruined the lives of tens of millions of people during his time as a politician.
Here, he has a way to make up for that stupidity by feeding the Afghans. I won’t hold my breath waiting for him to do so, though. Biden has no empathy for people. It’s all an act.
“All it would have taken was a Security Council veto by the Soviet Union and the Korean War never would have happened.”
Why didn’t the Soviet Union veto the resolution? Instead, they walked out of the UN and allowed the resolution to pass.
Some people claim the Soviet Union was confused and thought their walkout would automatically cause a veto of the issue. But is that believable? The Russians were just too stupid? Why didn’t they just sit there and veto the issue, if that was their aim?
South Korea is glad they left.
Of course it is McCain that forced Russia to invade it’s neighbors and blackmail those who don’t wish to be controlled by Russia.
You are ok on some topics. You tend to be a little one-eyed on others. The eye is also focused inward rather than outward.
It is the von Hayek playbook. That Professor at the London School of Economics has many US followers. Even a glance at some writings (watch out – brainwashing) explains the boilerplate comments.
And he’s still at it today just exactly as much as when he was alive!
This looks like a repeat of your previous post above, so I’ll repeat my question: Who are these warhawks you are referring to, and what did they do?
Once again, we have to thank the Russians for saving us from ourselves.
Correct – the first time was during the Civil war when the Russian Navy anchored at New York and San Francisco, 1863. US Ambassador to Russia Cassius Clay negotiated a wartime alliance, with clear messages to London and Paris to keep out. This is well documented.
Muhammad Ali was ambassador to Russia? Who knew?
And the whole purpose of the global warming scam is laid bare. The back door for the UN to supersede the sovereignty of all nations, and shift to one world government.
Yes, that’s where they want to go.
The Dishonest Climate Scientists who got us to this place ought to be ashamed of themselves. Look at what your climate lies have brought about.
Putin apparently doesn’t believe in those climate lies.
President Putin has had it with this nonsense.
Wow, [sociopolitical] climate change… with good effect.
Reading through it the movie the Crazies came to mind where society was upended by the reaction of government to a deadly virus. All is needed is a crisis to assume brutal power.
Niger is a rent seeker, so I understand their sponsorship. But Ireland. I didn’t think they were bludgers.
Ireland has the largest debt per capita in the EU it exceeds Greece and Italy. It needs all the freebie cash it can get and probably hoping to shake some out of the climate change action tree … so motivation probably same as Niger.
Green virtue signaling, with curious blue helmets. Pushing the green island thing a hill to far!
Russia knows better about the climate because they have the best climate model … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OubfvWAJ4c
I think most people agree that modelling future climate is almost impossible the longer into the future the modelling reaches?
Not long ago I read a Canadian report that of several climate models examined one from Russia was the closest in accuracy after five years.
Agree. While Russia has the lowest statistical errors — they are still too warm. But overall — they all breed climate alarmism — and exactly what the media demands.
To the point of Putin worrying about permafrost in 2100 :
Here an advisor on frozen viruses :
https://www.rt.com/russia/543059-global-warming-release-viruses/
It looks like Russia also has its climate catastrophists.
Agree. They also a vested interest in alarmism — all the better to scare a population into more government oversight — but it’s easier for Russia as they already have communism.
Had. As Putin said :
“Whoever does not miss the Soviet Union has no heart, whoever wants it back has no brain”
Looks like the zombies at COP26 had neither heart nor brain.
How is a giant economic scam a U.N. security issue?
Never expected that I would ever cheer a Russian veto!!!
Clap-Clap-Clap
“Russia has vetoed a first-of-its-kind U.N. Security Council resolution casting climate change as a threat to international peace and security.” – article
This, and that ecohippie in Australia (Steve) who discovered that wind turbine farms are lethal and went into spasms over it — all this gives me a rather faint hope that eventually the reality of the hoax called “climate ‘change’ ” might just dissolve back into the expensive pit from which it all crawled.
What? I can dream, can’t I?
I think a few cracks are starting to appear in the Global Warming meme.
The latest forecast is for very cold weather for Europe in coming days. More cracks may appear after this.
There is hope, and I HOPE sincerely that those cracks get bigger and hit the worst offenders the hardest. (Was that mean of me? I got snowballed yesterday.)
So Tom, can we be clear about this… you think a cold snap in a part of the planet is proof there is no long term warming of the planet?
No Simon, the relevant point is that the windmills and solar panels eventually are going to fail catastrophically to meet demand. Of course you knew that.
But that is not what Tom said. In fact he didn’t mention wind turbines or solar panels. He talked about the global warming meme having cracks after a cold snap.
Well, I was indirectly referring to the windmills not working when the wind becomes becalmed from a high-pressure system that moves into the EU bringing colder temperatures with it.
So a combination of colder temperatures and becalmed windmills is what I was warning about.
I don’t know that this will be the one that breaks the camel’s back, but I think one of those is in Europe’s future if they continue putting more reliance on windmills, as they seem to be determined to do.
We know there will be cold snaps and we know there will be warm ones. What matters is whether we have more or less of one or the other. Re the wind turbines. I think we should have a combination or power sources. All have their problems so reliance on one be it, oil, wind solar or nuclear is not sensible in my book.
What is the percentage of electric power generation by nuclear fission in France? Is it still 70%? If the French achieved that with what is now 50-year old technology in about a decade, why is it not obvious that the same thing could be replicated everywhere today?
While there’s no reason to forego using hydroelectric and geothermal power where it’s installed or environmentally feasible to build, there isn’t much of an argument for why we should have any intermittent weather-dependent sources at all.
Except for timing, nothing precludes reaching 100% nuclear that will be totally reliable and also could be configured to supply process heat.
During the ramp up to that end goal, there’s only political malfeasance preventing natural gas from filling the gap.
If the real objective were to eliminate CO2 emissions allegedly threatening us with dangerous warming, nuclear with a natural gas bridge would be the only rational approach.
That this is an approach vehemently opposed is adequate evidence to me that the motivations of the activists have little or nothing to do with climate.
I don’t like Putin, but give the man his due.
He can ride a horse like John Wayne.
LOL!
Not as tall as the Duke but sure better at martial arts….
Exactly. No fan of Vlad, but credit to him for doing the right thing here.
I admire his chutzpah. I’m also aware that he is as means as a snake when he wants to be.
+1 for Russia on this issue. One of the things I like about Russia is they won’t allow the social justice contagion to infect their government.
right- they allow no intereference with the oligarchs
The oligarchs who rushed to London, their handlers.
and if they’re smart they’ll avoid a stranger approaching them with an umbrella
Was Skripal ever found?
Them and France.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/art/what-to-see/non-french-resistance-american-woke-onslaught/
Things are amiss when Russia and China are doing the right thing while the West dithers.
Russia and China are doing what is in their interests. It just happens to be in our interest, too.
A harmony of interests is surely more musical than the geopolitical rant cacophony pumped out 24/7 by the Great Wurlitzer. I’m tempted to say What’s Up With The Wurlitzer?
“Russia, Russia, Russia” has been like a drum beat & now Russia tells the UN:
(continuation):
Well done Russia. Some sense from some politicians at last!
Are the Indians and Russians the only people left with common sense?
Yes.
And China. So we have slowly a Four Power movement forming out of the shambles of COVID, COP26 – if only the US got on board. We have massive problems to solve. London is not amused!
Certainly looks that way on the issue of climate change at least.
No, they are just the only ones with common-sense people in charge.