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President Trump: Boris Johnson is Making a Big Mistake Backing Wind Power

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon; During a GB News interview with Nigel Farage, President Trump has warned UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson his renewable policies are leading Britain into an economic disaster.

Donald Trump tells Boris Johnson he is making a ‘big mistake’ by backing wind power

Speaking to Nigel Farage on GB News, the former US president says the energy source is only backed by environmentalists who ‘hate the world’

By Christopher Hope, CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT 30 November 2021 • 9:16pm

Boris Johnson is “making a big mistake” by trying to turn the UK into the Saudi Arabia of wind, Donald Trump has said.

The former US president said that wind farms were “horrible”, “ridiculous”, “kill all the birds” and “start to rust” after a couple of years. They were only backed by environmentalists “who hate the world”, he said.

Mr Trump also took aim at a wind farm sited just off the coast of Aberdeen where he owns the Trump International Golf Links, describing it as a “shame” and the windmills as “monsters” in an interview with Nigel Farage on GB News on Wednesday.

Mr Johnson, the Prime Minister, has made increasing reliance on wind energy a cornerstone of his energy policy, telling the United Nations last year that he wanted to make the UK into the “Saudi Arabia of wind”, mimicking Riyadh’s dominance in the global oil market.

However, in his interview, Mr Trump said Mr Johnson was “wrong”, adding: “He’s making a big mistake.” 

Read more: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/11/30/donald-trump-tells-boris-johnson-making-big-mistake-backing/

I would love to provide a GB News link to the interview but I couldn’t find the link – if anyone finds it please post in comments.

As for President Trump’s criticism of Boris Johnson’s energy policies, I completely agree with what I read in the Telegraph.

The utter inadequacy of renewables, especially in a country as far North as Britain, should be obvious to anyone who can do a little math. Trump is a businessman – he understands economics and cashflow, so he can do the math.

Even if you believe a little government money or market distorting preference rules are required to kickstart the British green energy economy, ask yourself, what is the taxpayer exit strategy? What is the date at which the government money must end, otherwise renewable energy should be considered a failure?

If you can’t give a definite answer to this question, you are effectively admitting renewables are economically unviable, and cannot survive without open ended government support.

Update (EW): h/t Ben Vorlich – the link to the GB News interview https://www.gbnews.uk/farage-the-trump-interview (the “what they are doing is ridiculous” clip is here)

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Aksurveyor
December 1, 2021 10:03 am

Only when they have 100% renewables and have destroyed the country will the taxpayer backed subsidies end..
Since no one will have any money left to pay for the boondoggle.

SxyxS
Reply to  Aksurveyor
December 1, 2021 10:09 am

When cars were invented they didn’t need to get rid of the horses or subsidize cars
for a successful transition.

I wonder why it’s now the case 🙂

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  SxyxS
December 1, 2021 2:03 pm

The public pays for paving roads- isn’t that a subsidy? I suggest subsidies are everywhere- you just have to look closer. Virtually all industries have gotten subsidies of one sort or another. I’d like to see someone write a book on this theme. So, the existance of subsidies isn’t the issue- it would be better to look at how wise or not the subsidy was/is.

Streetcred
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 1, 2021 2:35 pm

Motorists pay for the roads by way of levies and fuel excises … and most of those revenues do not go to roads or any motoring infrastructure.

RickWill
Reply to  Streetcred
December 1, 2021 6:29 pm

In Australia, the fuel taxes become general revenue and transport infrastructure gets tolls.

Greg
Reply to  RickWill
December 2, 2021 1:36 am

Not true roads in Australia are funded by a combination of registration fees and fuel excise plus occasional funds from general revenue.
not all of the fuel excise goes to roads some goes to general revenue.
tolling fees generally go to public/private partnerships that fund the toll roads

Rich Lentz
Reply to  Greg
December 2, 2021 6:59 am

However, WHAT is that money actually spent on. Obviously not the roads and highways are they would be the best in the world.

stinkerp
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 1, 2021 3:25 pm

Roads were around long before cars started driving on them. They just became more ubiquitous when transportation became easier. Governments realized that paying for roads brought all kinds of new benefits: more commerce and more goods and services and jobs from that commerce.

Wind power has no net benefit except in rare instances where a remote community doesn’t have another form of power generation. In almost every case it simply replaces modern, reliable power generation with an ancient and unreliable technology. There is a reason wind power generation wasn’t widespread historically and quickly disappeared when fossil fuels and nuclear power became viable.

If you’re serious about reducing CO2 emissions while providing reliable power, wind and solar aren’t the solution. Nuclear probably is.

MARTIN BRUMBY
Reply to  stinkerp
December 1, 2021 10:24 pm

Wind no net benefit?

Maybe.

But ex UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s Father in Law, Sir Reginald Sheffield, trousers £1,000 every day (and has done for some years), for allowing just eight modest turbines in a corner of his extensive estate.

And Samantha Cameron, Dave Boy’s better half, is a GangGreen enthusiast.

I’d call £365,000 a year a welcome ‘benefit’. And Reggie, Sam and Dave can also laugh about little old ladies having to choose whether to eat or heat.

John
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 1, 2021 11:00 pm

great if you arent paying and you dont have a required delivery contract for power

Julian Flood
Reply to  MARTIN BRUMBY
December 2, 2021 10:05 am

That’s on his winter estate. He has two.

JF

n.n
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 1, 2021 10:47 pm

You would have the public subsidize intermittents? A Green blight on the environment? Endangerment of flora, fauna, and people in order to recover disparately distributed elements, establish gauntlets, and clear cutting?

Joao Martins
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 2, 2021 2:26 am

Study a bit of history, Joseph! This comment of yours contains more ignorance than knowledge!

Just look at what has happened in Europe since the late 17th century until now, i.e., since the early development of capitalism. Look at the scientific progress and its manifestation in better living conditions.

Then ask why this happened.

Then check the evolution of trade from far east and west: goods and raw materials comming to everywhere in Europe where there were ports. This commerce started during the 16th century and quickly increased afterwards.

Now, ask why the hinterlands, those vast regions that don’t have sea coast and ports, have participated, or not, in this develepement. And check which countries of Europe had progressed more (UK, Netherlands, north of France, …), and those which progressed less (Portugal, Spain, for intance; in spite of having discovered the world an having long stretches of coast and good ports; and Italy, and others).

It would be asking too much that you would read the testimony of economists and government members of those countries during that period of more than three centuries, so I only suggest that you see a physical map of Europe and check the density of roads and channels that were built since the late 17th century.

I know that correlation is not causation, but…

All this evidence that I politely advise your to check points to one single factor: trade. The circulation of goods. The easy distribution of goods and raw materiaals to where they would be needed.

Take my country (Portugal) for instance: there are good raw materials to make good crystal far inland in the country: figure that, in the late 18th centurey (eighteenth!), it was cheaper to import that raw material from France, by sea, that to transport it from the center of the country to the glass factory (created by Stephens near the coast, at less than 200 km)? Why? Because there were no good roads nor channels.

And that is why the countries, all their citizens, should finance the building and maintenance of roads and channels: because they all profit from these infrastructures: they enable the circulation of goods and raw materials and thus distribute what is needed to have better living conditions; but they also enhance employment, better income for people, empowerment.

I could cite dozens of examples like this one. But it would be better for your spiritual elevation if you would find and study them yourself before uttering idiotic comments like the one I am addressing.

patrick healy
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 2, 2021 4:51 am

Well
Dear Joseph I do not know which planet you inhabit, but it is certainly not Scotland. We do not have ANY road without serious car wrecking potholes resulting from a lack of maintenance.
My beloved suffers from serious bone degenerative issues which preclude her from using public transport. Our only means of transport are a 12 year old diesel saloon with wonderful suspension, and even that is about to be taxed out of existence. We already pay up to 75% global warming taxes on our Diesel so what do you suggest?

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 2, 2021 5:46 am

I call BS on your claim that nearly all businesses have received subsidies.
Making use of the same tax deductions that everyone else gets, is not a subsidy.

John
Reply to  SxyxS
December 1, 2021 10:57 pm

remember the first cars were electric and steam powered
but technology chose ICE cars because they were easily fuelled and gave indefinite travel distance with very small impost on vehicle for fuel

December 1, 2021 10:10 am

Much as I find Trump’s personality unpalatable he does come up with an accurate diagnosis on the major issues.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 10:14 am

Agree. I’m no fan of Trump, and some of his antipathy to wind turbines is rooted in his belief they spoil the view from his golf course, but the overall analysis attributed to him is pretty accurate.

Chraya
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
December 1, 2021 11:36 am

They do spoil the view from his golf course. That is a legitimate issue. Wind turbines spoil the view of anyone unfortunate enough to be stuck living nearby. Not to mention the noise pollution and the nuisance from the motion of the turbines.

Julian Flood
Reply to  Chraya
December 1, 2021 2:56 pm

And they reduce the value of any property within about a mile. 12% IIRC.

JF

Cheshire Red
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 10:17 am

He’s a pragmatist, not an ideologue.

In the private sector results matter so he only deploys business profitable tactics that work, whereas Greens aren’t interested in those requirements so don’t worry themselves with such niceties.

Trump has been proven correct on economic policy, jobs, (especially for the poorer communities) energy, fracking, southern border controls, Iran, Russia, China, North Korea and the Middle East.

In short he’s outclassed Biden’s efforts across the board. Best POTUS in decades.

bill Johnston
Reply to  Cheshire Red
December 1, 2021 4:16 pm

The problem with greens is that it is not their money they are spending. Therefor profitable business tactics are ignored.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Cheshire Red
December 1, 2021 4:23 pm

Trump’s just speaking the truth like he always does. The Left doesn’t like to hear the truth.

Did you see where Biden’s spokesperson, Psaki today promoted the old lie that Trump suggested people inject themselves with bleach to cure the Wuhan virus?

A blatant lie put forth as the truth. A blatant lie that can easily be proven to be a lie, yet still put forth as the truth. The Democrats have no shame and no integrity and no morals. They lie, lie, lie.

patrick healy
Reply to  Cheshire Red
December 2, 2021 5:36 am

Yes Ceshire Red,
Two comments above you are what I call “Ahbuts” They pretend to like Mr. Trump but cannot admit it unless they upset their Marxist neighbours.
The legitimate President of the US is the best, bar none, since little old Ronnie Reagan. Lets get real, the squatter in the White House is the result of a banana republic election.

MarkW
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 10:27 am

Personally, if given the choice between a president I’d like to have drinks with, or a president who can get things done, I’ll pick the one who can get things done every time.

mark from the midwest
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 1:12 pm

I’d have drinks with Trump, I hear that he’s fairly personable in one on one and small group settings. Beyond that the last President I’d want to have drinks with was the Gipper

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 2:08 pm

In liberal circles, like most of The People’s Republic of Massachusetts, the Gipper was considered a moron. I thought so too until I read some things he wrote. I was impressed.

Streetcred
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 1, 2021 2:37 pm

Ask yourself, ‘did he write them?’

MarkW
Reply to  Streetcred
December 1, 2021 4:03 pm

Considering the fact that his writings go back decades. Also the ease with which he handled debates and interviews, it pretty obvious that he did indeed “write them”.

MAL
Reply to  Streetcred
December 1, 2021 8:27 pm

He did. He has a whole body of work he wrote, you just need to find them.

Drake
Reply to  Streetcred
December 2, 2021 9:31 am

Joseph, you are proving yourself to be not just a liberal but an uneducated moron.

Buy a copy of Reagan, in His Own Hand. Read it. Then you could possibly begin to understand you have put your faith in leftist lying liars, but I doubt it.

Drake

Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 2:28 pm

I’d have enjoyed a chat with the Gipper. Far more intelligence than he was usually credited with

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 2, 2021 9:42 am

The leftwing media always characterizes Republicans as stupid, and biggoted, and greedy and every other bad quality they can think of. They did it to all the Republican presidents and any other politically-powerful Republican.

It’s standard operating procedure for the Leftwing Media. Their job is to try to destroy Republicans using lies and distortions of the facts. They’ve been doing it for decades.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 3, 2021 11:27 am

Leftists have convinced themselves that they are the sole source of goodness on this planet. Which means that anyone who disagrees with them is by definition evil, and whatever is done to an evil person is therefore justified.

John Tillman
Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 3:20 pm

Trump doesn’t drink.

Dean
Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 4:54 pm

I reckon Bill Clinton would have been interesting, especially if he invited the interns……

Mark Jordon
Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 7:33 pm

Trump doesn’t drink alcohol, so it is very difficult to have a drink with Trump

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mark Jordon
December 2, 2021 9:44 am

Trump would probably share some McDonald’s french fries and a Big Mack with them and a Coke.

MAL
Reply to  mark from the midwest
December 1, 2021 8:26 pm

Trump does not drink.

Drake
Reply to  MAL
December 2, 2021 9:32 am

Or smoke or use illegal drugs.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 4:35 pm

Trump is a very personable man if he is treated right.

He’s not very personable to those who lie about him. In that case, he hits them back as hard as he can. I support him doing that. It’s not pretty, but his targets deserve everything they get from him, which is mainly just the truth, but the truth hurts some people badly because they are scoundrels who want their secrets aired in public and they don’t like it. I say, if it’s the truth, then live with it.

Carry on Trump. Continue to blast these fools. They need a wakeup call. Boris needs a wakeup call.

Thomas
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 10:50 am

But Trump has a wonderful personality! Always cheerful, open and willing to communicate, and never afraid to meet insult with even better insult. I like it when he says something so outrageous that it makes Liberals’ heads explode. Like “environmentalist who hate the world.” They really hate civilization and people, but “hate the world” is nice double entendre.

Reply to  Thomas
December 1, 2021 11:31 am

Sad to see that even people who agree with Trump on some key issues lapse into the Trump derangement syndrome, maybe for self-protection.
Trump is prepared to take a strong stand and the left will never forgive him for it. Too many people think if we are nice and polite towards the intolerant they will be nice back. No way, draw a line, stay polite and stay strong as well, take a stand against the intolerant or they will win and tolerance will get swept away (advice from Karl Popper).

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rafe Champion
December 1, 2021 4:52 pm

“Sad to see that even people who agree with Trump on some key issues lapse into the Trump derangement syndrome”

I think a lot of that is unconcious social pressure.

The Leftwing Media make it seem like it is the right thing to do to hate Trump, so some otherwise smart people fall into that propaganda trap.

They actually are disliking the caricature of Trump that has been created by the Leftwing Media, which was created specifically to drive down Trump’s approval at every turn.

Propaganda works. Even on some people that might surprise you.

Trump is the most vetted president in U.S. history, and despite the Democrats doing everything they could legal and illegal, to get Trump, he still came out on the other end clean as the driven snow. That too, infuriates the lefties.

This should also be another reason to put Trump back in the prsidency. We can trust him. He has proven himself.

MAL
Reply to  Rafe Champion
December 1, 2021 8:29 pm

Trump expose that most of our political class is selling us down the road and they hate him for that.

MarkW
Reply to  Thomas
December 1, 2021 12:13 pm

Trump won’t say things he doesn’t believe just to get people to like him. And that drives liberals nuts.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 6, 2021 9:46 pm

Trump won’t say things he doesn’t believe just to get people to like him”
But he does say things (true or not)just to get people to vote for him…

Bob Hunter
Reply to  Thomas
December 1, 2021 12:19 pm

For what it’s worth, for years pre pandemic I volunteer at “The Greatest Outdoor Show on Earth” a successful American Businessman from the south attends each year with a some of his team. Being fiscal conservatives we hit it off. He met Trump privately several times after 2016. His take, privately Trump is much different than portrayed in the MSM. He knew exactly what his staff were doing, why and is very smart. The only negative, was he felt Trump was arrogant for his taste but everything else a positive. However, maybe the best compliment, Trump’s adult boys twice visited the primary ranch. And his staff loved the boys, they told me the boys were downtown to earth, kind and considerate.

stinkerp
Reply to  Thomas
December 1, 2021 3:32 pm

There are numerous videos and interviews online where you can see Trump as he really is and not the caricature that the media created. I have shared some with friends and they were astonished to see that he is much different than he is portrayed by the abusive media. He is, as Thomas said, cheerful, optimistic, quick to compliment people and unafraid to speak the truth even if it hurts someone’s precious feelings.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Thomas
December 1, 2021 4:42 pm

“I like it when he says something so outrageous that it makes Liberals’ heads explode”

It’s only outrageous to radical lefties.

They are outraged because Trump exposes their lies and distortions for all to see. Lefties hate that. so they become outraged.

I, on the other hand, like that, and enjoy the lefties being torn apart by Trump. I want to see much more of it when Trump is president again. It’s time to get back to what we were doing before this idiot Biden came along and screwed everything up.

Trump says: How do you like me now?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 7:10 am

“Miss me yet?”

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 11:54 am

Trump’s personality is a result of him doing business in New York with contractors and politicians. His demeanor and social interactions are typical of businessmen in that domain.
Most of the rest of the country doesn’t have to deal with type of personality and many find it offensive. Frankly, I found it refreshing when he would hit back at assaults directed at him rather than the typical wimpy reactions politicians do.

MarkW
Reply to  Brad-DXT
December 1, 2021 12:15 pm

I think you mean “the typical wimpy reactions that Republicans do”.
Democrats rarely hold back when striking at those who disagree with them.
From FDR to Reagan, the Democrats held all the cards politically and any Republican who wanted to get things done had to kiss Democrat butt in order to advance a bill. Unfortunately way to many of them came to internalize this obsequence and kept behaving the same way even when they were in power.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 4:57 pm

Well said. The Republicans act like the minority even when they are the majority.

Hopefully we are putting that in our past as we weed out the weak-kneed Republicans in the next election.

We have about two dozen Republican weaklings in Congress we need to exchange for America-First Republicans.

Trump’s working on it.

t.port
Reply to  Brad-DXT
December 1, 2021 4:18 pm

Fair point, but if you lose suburban women in the U.S. you lose elections.

Drake
Reply to  t.port
December 2, 2021 9:43 am

Funny you mentioned that. After the last year, “republican’ and TRUMP!, with great help from Brandon, the teachers unions and the school board CRT push, are now at 57% support from white women, the same level as from white men, and up to 38% Hispanic support overall.

So MOTHERS (you call them suburban women) are now beginning to understand what Democrats really stand for.

MarkW
Reply to  Drake
December 3, 2021 11:30 am

I don’t remember the numbers, but Trump had reached historic levels of support amongst both blacks and hispanics. After another year of riots and nonsense in schools, I would imagine those numbers have increased even further. Especially among urban dwellers.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Stephen Wilde
December 1, 2021 2:05 pm

I used to detest his personality- I blame it on living my entire life here in The People’s Republic of Massachusetts, so I was brainwashed. But the idiocy of the climate Nazis and other politically correct people has caused me to get to like Trump’s attitude.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
December 1, 2021 4:04 pm

Trump doesn’t suffer fools gladly. Which is why the fools hate him.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 9:53 am

Exactly.

Trump tells the truth and the truth makes the fools look bad, and the fools hate him for it.

Steve Case
December 1, 2021 10:12 am

The bottom line in all of this nonsense is the notion that CO2 is a problem and a warmer world with more rain, longer growing seasons, more arable land plus CO2 fortified agricultural production constitutes a problem.

The two biggest scares, sea level rise and extreme weather, aren’t happening at any faster rate that would be a cause for alarm. Certainly not the draconian trillions of dollars the democrats and the green Bolsheviks have in mind.

Ben Vorlich
December 1, 2021 10:12 am
Editor
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 1, 2021 11:05 am

Thanks for the link, Ben.

Regards,
Bob

bonbon
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
December 1, 2021 12:15 pm

Most links cut off at Meghan, and omit the scathing attack on wind. Must check further….

Tom Halla
December 1, 2021 10:12 am

“Hating the world” is a fair characterization of all too many greens. They back wind and solar because they will not sustain industrial society, not out of a belief they can.

pochas94
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 1, 2021 12:11 pm

Yep, they hate the world and everyone in it, especially Donald Trump.

Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 10:12 am

But will Boris take more notice of Trump than he does of Carrie, when Carrie has sex on her side? Unlikely, Boris being Boris!

Redge
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 11:00 am

Carrie has sex on her side?

I would have thought she preferred being on top

Editor
Reply to  Redge
December 1, 2021 11:07 am

Thanks, Redge, that made me laugh.

Regards,
Bob

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Bob Tisdale
December 1, 2021 1:25 pm

Me too!

Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 2:32 pm

And me.
But the mental image was unappealing.

Chraya
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 11:39 am

I really hope she gives good blow jobs because that would create a logical explanation for Boris losing his mind with these idiotic energy policies.

Timo, not that one
Reply to  Chraya
December 1, 2021 11:44 am

Never let the little head do the thinking for the big head.

bonbon
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 12:29 pm

Carrie Symonds ran the campaigns of Zac Goldsmith. She is head of public relations at the Aspinall Foundation.
Look it up and wonder about Tory’s …

Leo Smith
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 12:38 pm

It goes like this…

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It doesn't add up...
December 1, 2021 10:17 am

Viewers should be able to stream it live using the GBNews app, available here:

https://www.gbnews.uk/freegbapp

Or you may be able to stream directly (see the menu at that web page)

Rud Istvan
December 1, 2021 10:21 am

That wind is uneconomic is self evident; else it would not need subsidies everywhere. But it will take a winter grid crash with multiple casualties (much worse than Texas last February) to maybe bring BoJo to whatever senses he has.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 1, 2021 11:32 am

 bring BoJo to whatever senses he has”

Not going to happen on it’s own. The only thing that will bring an end to this madness is when the British people get fed up with it, and Boris sees that continuing on this way will bring electoral defeat. That will be the smelling salts needed to wake him up.

Richard Page
Reply to  Robert Hanson
December 1, 2021 12:10 pm

It won’t end there. The only viable alternatives in UK politics are just as committed to this madness as BoJo. What is required is a sea change across the board, with the Green Agenda being discarded completely and more rational paths chosen. I can’t see that happening as long as the London/urban echo chambers are dictating policy decisions. We need a government that can do their job for the whole country in the long term, not as a series of knee-jerk reactions to short-sighted idiots and activist morons with no clue.

bonbon
Reply to  Robert Hanson
December 1, 2021 12:38 pm

The Tory’s are ready to dump BoJo – who have they in mind as next-in-line I wonder?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 1, 2021 1:12 pm

Rud,
There are plenty of places where wind power is economic without subsidies. In NZ for instance it costs about $105 per MWhr (MegaWatt hour) to produce electricity using wind turbines while the sale price is $171 per MWhr making it quite profitable without any subsidies.

Jeroen B.
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 1:23 pm

I pity the poor consumers, both residential and industrial (if any left) having to stump up for those rates, and frequent energy unavailability.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Jeroen B.
December 1, 2021 4:18 pm

Poor people can’t afford power for heating in NZ, that’s why there are so many domestic house fires or CO poisoning caused by liquid/solid fuel fires that kill people regularly in winter.

Simon
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 1, 2021 10:36 pm

Poor people can’t afford power for heating in NZ, that’s why there are so many domestic house fires or CO poisoning caused by liquid/solid fuel fires that kill people regularly in winter.”

What nonsense. Got any data for that?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:27 am

Another liar.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 6, 2021 9:48 pm

So Patrick no data and Carlo no brains. What a team.

M Courtney
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 1:27 pm

And when the wind doesn’t blow they have to go to something else. But that something else hasn’t been earning while the wind did blow. So their overheads are finally put onto the bills when the wind dies.

Think about it. Wind always needs to pay for itself AND the backup.
That’s not economic.

Worse, it’s not only more expensive it’s less consistent.
Worse still, as we cannot know when the wind will die (only that it will) it’s harder to plan the reserved money for bridging the dips.

Nowhere is wind economic if you include the costs of backing it up. And if you don’t, you don’t have an energy policy.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  M Courtney
December 1, 2021 1:41 pm

NZ gets over 80% of its electricity from renewables. Most of that is from hydroelectric dams plus wind and geothermal. In addition there is plenty of potential for further renewable generation since roof-top solar could be easily scaled up across the north island plus there is a lot of untapped geothermal resources. All of which means that wind and other renewables are economic in NZ.

Streetcred
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 2:47 pm

Given the high proportion of hydro in the NZ energy mix, wind is a mere dalliance. Roof top solar only works when the sun shines, I know, when we have a few rainy/cloudy days here in Queensland my electricity retailer does not miss me!

Chraya
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 3:46 pm

Wind provides only 5 percent of the electricity. Geothermal 15 percent. It is a dishonest trick to include hydro (which actually works) in the renewables category to convey the false impression that wind (and in some cases but not this one, solar) is producing much more than it actually is.

In any case, like Costa Rica and Iceland, New Zealand is an outlier – small population, unique geography. Irrelevant example for most of the world.

M Courtney
Reply to  Chraya
December 1, 2021 4:06 pm

Hydro and Geothermal work where the geography allows. All in favour of exploiting them where they can be used.

Wind and solar? No.
Wind is not reliable or consistent, Solar is not reliable.

Dennis
Reply to  M Courtney
December 1, 2021 5:54 pm

Rooftop or other solar installations perform best on cooler clear days and produce the highest energy level between 10 am and 2 pm.

Assuming that the panels are kept clean and in good condition.

Lrp
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 7:23 pm

Wind and solar are insignificant in NZ electricity generation mix

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 7:00 am

“Can renewable energies provide all of society’s energy needs in the foreseeable future? It is conceivable in a few places such as New Zealand and Norway. But suggesting renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the US, China and the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy.”

James Hansen – ‘Baby Lauren and the Kool Aid’

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 1:28 pm

Well, it is very windy here in NZ. That’s why we excel at sailing.

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 4:04 pm

A fool and his brain have parted…

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 4:19 pm

Does that price included GST of 15%?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 7:27 am

Liar.

Walter Horsting
December 1, 2021 10:28 am

I love how the UK only gets 23% of its RE nameplate to generate energy…

Redge
Reply to  Walter Horsting
December 1, 2021 11:01 am

And that’s on a good day

markl
December 1, 2021 10:33 am

Personality isn’t one of Trump’s assets. Making decisions that benefit the people he is charged with leading is. Being the leader of a country isn’t a personality contest.

Simon
December 1, 2021 10:34 am

I’d say Boris is probably pretty happy not to have Trumps endorsement, given Trumps track record of opening his mouth about things he is clueless about. Covid anyone?

n.n
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 10:42 am

Fauci (domain expert), consensus, corporations, mandates, and planned parent/hood in several Democrat districts.

MarkW
Reply to  n.n
December 1, 2021 12:21 pm

It’s a lot like global warming, Simon believes whatever the government tells him to believe.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 10:56 am

Simple Simon shows off his inner AOC.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 10:59 am

given Trumps track record of opening his mouth about things he is clueless about. Covid anyone?

Trump was 1st to alert the world that covid came from China and fast tracked the search for a vaccine. He restricted travel from China. As for other major issues he was “clueless about” (the need for a closed Southern border, for instance) … enlighten us.

aussiecol
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 12:06 pm

Hatred clouds people’s judgement. Simon being case in point.

MarkW
Reply to  aussiecol
December 1, 2021 12:23 pm

Simon is a typical socialist, there’s nothing he hates more than someone who gets in the way of free stuff.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 6:27 pm

And do remind me just what of received ‘free stuff’ is unpaid for by your human neighbors, often absent the due gratitude in that attribution for any blessings received in your own great need? In other words, how does one suddenly become solidly ‘entitled’ to others’ possessions when they themselves aren’t socially recognized as the genuine proprietors, except as one’s own coldly childish narcissism is incidentally exposed? Hmmm?

MarkW
Reply to  Doc Chuck
December 3, 2021 11:33 am

For most leftists, the functions of taxation and paying for the stuff that government provides have become separated.
Taxes aren’t to fund government, the purpose behind taxes is to punish people who make too much by having government seize what they consider to be ill gotten gains.
Free stuff from government is just that, free. Since it comes from government, the only person they need to thank are the politicians who support the programs that proved said free stuff.

Simon
Reply to  aussiecol
December 1, 2021 10:41 pm

I see things clear as a bell. Like the day Trump said he believed the word of a murderous dictator (Putin)ahead of his own secret service. I knew that day he was a coward, or stupid or both. I also knew he was clueless re diplomacy.

bonbon
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 1:16 am

The secret services than ran Russiagate? That can get you six ways from Sunday as Schumer said?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nXGt6Jnabc
Rachel Maddow anyone?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:45 am

Funny how many lies Simon eagerly believes and repeats.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 6, 2021 9:55 pm

No lie. You can hear Trump’s words if you want.

MarkW
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 12:22 pm

The same Biden who proclaimed Trump’s Chinese travel restrictions, this week announced travel restrictions with much of southern Africa.
Let’s see if Simon is man enough to denounce Biden the same way he’s been denouncing Trump?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 2:59 pm

Simon is neither honest or all that bright. He’d never denounce Biden.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 10:56 pm

Idiot. I think Biden is pretty average as a president actually. It’s just he look better following a plonker like Trump.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 11:47 pm

You’re still a confused semi-literate simpleton.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 4:16 am

No, the opinion polls show that the majority of Americans would vote for Trump. Biden is probably the worst president in US history.

If he’s “average”, how do you explain his catastrophic opinion poll ratings? How do you explain his disastrous policies such as Afghanistan, energy policy and the southern borders? How do you explain crowds at sports events shouting “F… Biden” or “Let’s go, Brandon” which of course means the same. How do you explain Biden falling on the steps of Air Force One not once but three times in quick succession?
Trump is America First while Biden is America Last. If I were an American I know which I would choose.
Chris

MarkW
Reply to  Chris Wright
December 2, 2021 7:46 am

Biden is average for a Democrat. But that’s a pretty low bar.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 6, 2021 9:56 pm

And Trump was the best the Republican had? Wow.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Chris Wright
December 2, 2021 10:00 am

“Biden is probably the worst president in US history.”

He gets my vote. I can’t think of any president who has been more destrucive than Biden. And Biden hasn’t even been in office a year yet. He’s a total disaster.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 4:21 am

So, Rory was right. In your reply you certainly did not denounce Biden. Saying he is average is faint praise, not a denouncement.
Chris

Simon
Reply to  Chris Wright
December 2, 2021 10:12 am

Whatever. If Biden and Trump are the best the US can come up with then it is a sad place at the moment. Biden well past his best and Trump… well …. he’s just an con man out of his depth.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:44 am

Poor Simon can’t accept the fact that someone he disagrees with and hates has been more successful than he has.
Then again, pretty much the entire world’s population has been more successful than Simon.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:46 am

Yup, I knew Simon would not be able to man up. That and his unshakable belief that anyone who disagrees with him must be an idiot.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 9:58 am

No, Biden is not pretty average. About 71 percent of the American people think the country is going in the wrong direction under Biden.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 10:13 am

MMMM Tom you weren’t so keen to quote polls when Trump was sitting at the bottom of them for four years.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 5:10 am

Trump was relentlessly attacked and demonized throughout that period, so it’s not a surprise his numbers were drivien down.

Biden, on the other hand, has been treated like a King by the Leftwing Media yet his numbers are the worst evah!

Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is now 95 percent, which is higher than when he was president.

You will probably be seeing more of Trump. I think we will also see massive amounts of TDS, too.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 11:34 am

Mainstream news polls are engineered to support Democrats and socialists. When they show something else, it proves that something really unusual is going on.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2021 7:29 am

Both.

n.n
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 10:52 pm

Diversity [dogma] is a many colored judgment, and Democrats et al are rabid.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 1:31 pm

And don’t forget his recommendation for Ivermectin – so criticised by the Left but now proved to be correct.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 2:21 pm

And lets not forget Trump’s recommendation for injecting bleach either. That one worked very well.

And the jury is still out on ivermectin. While it isn’t particularly harmful if taken in the correct dose it does not appear to be particularly good for dealing with COVID. There are however newer
drugs like molnupiravir that do seem to be significantly better than existing anti-virals at treating COVID.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 2:45 pm

And lets not forget Trump’s recommendation for injecting bleach either. That one worked very well.

He did no such thing, you credulous ass. Ivermectin has a proven effectiveness.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 11:02 pm

Yeah he did….
“We tested bleach,” “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.”
Then he later said…. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 11:52 pm

Still proving your incompetence with English, I see. Look up asking hypothetical questions. It was a valid question, especially since there are no vaccines for that type of virus.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 4:31 am

Your quotes prove that you are wrong. He did not recommend injecting bleach. He was simply saying that it might be worth looking into, which is entirely different.
His words make that clear: “…So it would be interesting to check that”.

The claim that Trump recommended people to somehow ingest bleach is just one of the many left wing lies. Do you have the integrity to tell the truth?
Chris

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:48 am

Asking a question is not the same thing as making a recommendation. I see your average liberal is still not able to make that distinction.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:04 am

Show the Youtube video of that public press conference. You will see he did noting of the kind.

He did talk about disinfectants, which he had been discussing with the doctors before the press conference, and Trump was just passing along some of the things the doctors had told him to the public.

He never advised anyone to inject bleach or anything else to treat the Wuhan virus.

You are promoting a lie, Simon.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 10:16 am

Show the Youtube video of that public press conference. You will see he did noting of the kind.”
You mean the one where he said all this stuff? The one where the team looked so embarrassed that he would go off on this weird rant that had absolutely nothing to do with science? How can you support this clown of a man?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:45 am

In other words, Simon knows he’s been caught telling another whopper, but can’t help digging the hole deeper.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 6, 2021 10:01 pm

So tell me Einstein… what was the disinfectant he was talking about injecting?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 5:15 am

I saw his news conference live. He didn’t do the things you say he did.

The Leftwing Media immediately started distorting what Trump said, like they do every time, and you have incorporated these distortions into your view of Trump.

I’m not blinded by those kinds of distortions, and that’s why I support Trump.

Streetcred
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 2:53 pm

He never did recommend injecting bleach. That was a deliberate misreporting by the msm of a musing that he made.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Streetcred
December 1, 2021 5:16 pm

Yes, and Biden’s press secretary, Psaki, repeated this bleach lie again today, along with claiming Trump’s travel ban on China was racist. She changed the criticism a little, since Biden has now banned people from entering into the U.S. over the omicron variant, so Psaki says the problem wasn’t that Trump banned travel from China, but was the language he used when he did it which Psaki characterized as racist.

All Trump did was call the Wuhan virus the “China virus” and that’s what Psaki and Biden are trying to tell us makes Trump a racist.

All Trump did was say the truth. That’s his transgression.

Obviously, the Democrats are grasping at straws, but some weak-minded individuals buy into this distortion of reality.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 7:31 am

Circle-Back PSnarki is as stupid as Izaak and Simon.

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 2, 2021 10:17 am

Great comeback (for a five year old).

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:46 am

Considering the target was you, I’d say the level was just about right.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 3, 2021 11:36 am

Liberals react to truth the way a vampire reacts to sunlight.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 6, 2021 10:04 pm

Tell me again. Who was the man who tried to get a republican in Georgia to find 11000 votes. Where is the truth in that?

Simon
Reply to  Streetcred
December 6, 2021 10:02 pm

He talked about bleach killing the virus then about injecting disinfectant. 1 + 1 = 2

Derg
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 4:05 pm

Izaak that is what Ghalfrunt recommended

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 4:10 pm

Actually Trump never made such a recommendation, but reality is not enough to stop Izaak from spreading useful lies.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 7:49 am

Izaak or Simon.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 7:30 am

Another lie, The Zaak is just a lie-machine today.

MarkW
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 3, 2021 11:37 am

Izaak normally doesn’t lay on the lies this thick. Then again, Izaak normally doesn’t post more than once or twice at a time.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 2:41 pm

I believe he was also given a course of Hydroxychloroquine when he contracted covid, himself. These therapeutics have proven themselves as useful over time. Again, Trump as right.

Dennis
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 5:58 pm

And therein lies the confusion many people display, vaccination is for protection to reduce the impact of the virus short and longer term after recovery, anti-viral treatments are for recovery from the virus, also used for influenza when necessary.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dennis
December 1, 2021 6:16 pm

In the past vaccines were intended to reduce the chance of infection. Once you’ve been infected and succumb to the disease, you have natural immunity. As you say, treatments are another thing entirely. They’re not intended to provide immunity.

Simon
Reply to  Mike Lowe
December 1, 2021 10:57 pm

And don’t forget his recommendation for Ivermectin – so criticised by the Left but now proved to be correct.”
Nope still no use against covid.

sycomputing
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 6:38 am

“Nope still no use against covid.”

Ivermectin has been proved in the field to save lives.

Dying COVID-19 patient recovers after court orders ivermectin treatment
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-ivermectin-treatment

Simon
Reply to  sycomputing
December 2, 2021 7:33 pm

Meaningless. Many covid patients recover…

sycomputing
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 7:59 pm

“Meaningless. Many covid patients recover…”

Not before a court orders a particular treatment for a dying patient to be instantiated they don’t.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:32 am

Who do you work for, Simon the Shill?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 2, 2021 10:18 am

At least I work unlike you who sits around in a basement yelling at the sky.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 12:35 pm

Projection at it’s finest.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 2:49 pm

Oh yeah.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 10:39 pm

Oh you mean the “Covid will be gone by Easter” comment by Trump? Yep that was one of his should have kept his mouth closed moments. But we all know there are not enough pages on the internet to list his blunders.

n.n
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 10:58 pm

Planned parent/hood, masks that offer viable legal indemnity, sequestration protocols that force collateral damage, denying and stigmatizing early treatments, braying and spreading social contagion, a domain expert with a track record of blunders from AIDS to Covid-19, 20, 21, in progress.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 11:45 pm

You’re still confused.

MarkW
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2021 7:50 am

He’s not confused, he knows that he’s lying.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 10:29 am

He’s desperate, as usual.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:13 am

“Oh you mean the “Covid will be gone by Easter” comment by Trump?”

Trump was just repeating what some of the doctors were saying. They told him the history of viruses, and how some of them end up just disappering from the scene after a certain period of time, like Sars-Cov-1 did after the 2003 infection outbreak. So it is not beyond the realm of possibilty that Sars-Cov-2 (Wuhan) might do the same, especially considering what happened with its related virus.

And Biden is saying he is going to defeat the Wuhan virus, so it sounds like Biden is saying that Covid is going to be gone at some time in the future, just like Trump was saying.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 10:32 am

Bie-Den also claimed that he was going to cure cancer.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 7:31 pm

Trump was just repeating what some of the doctors were saying. “
But that was not what his medical advisors were saying. In fact they were telling him the polar opposite.
Biden on the other hand has stuck to the science. He has been far more honest too warning of the dangers that could be ahead if we don’t take precautions meaning primarily …..vaccinate. I don’t think he has ever said it is just going to be defeated or gone. Maybe you have a quote for me?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 11:39 am

And of course Simon knows exactly what advice Trump was being given in private. The idea that anyone in the Biden administration knows what science is, much less follows it is laughable.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 3, 2021 11:46 am

There were no secrets about what the science/doctors were telling Trump. Fauci and Birx were pretty clear. But then Trump is notorious for following his (ever increasing) gut.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
December 4, 2021 8:06 am

“And of course Simon knows exactly what advice Trump was being given in private.”

Simon knows the Leftwing Media version, which, when it comes to Trump, is always distorted, as in this case.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2021 4:05 am

Biden makes Trump look like a genius in comparison. I really, really hope Trump will be the next president in 2025 – and that his first act will be to rescue America once again from the Paris Suicide Pact.
Chris

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Chris Wright
December 2, 2021 10:11 am

I believe you’re not alone, Chris. The Democrats are already wetting their pants. I suppose they already know how badly they’re failing.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 6, 2021 9:52 pm

Trump was 1st to alert the world that covid came from China ” Really? Maybe in Trump fantasy world. Early on he was saying what a great guy the Chinese leader was.
“and fast tracked the search for a vaccine.”
Which is why it is so ironic the right are refusing the vaccine when it was Trump who got it right and in to play.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 6, 2021 10:43 pm

In other words, typically you cannot refute what I wrote. It was hardly Trump’s fault that the so called “vaccine” has been an abysmal failure. He made it possible so quickly. Trump himself never had access to one, but was given HCQ and Ivermectin.

However, it’s no irony that Republican states have both the lowest infection rate and the lowest vaccination rate. As usual you just sound like a fool. Trump’s morning turd has more gray cells than Bi-den had … when he was still of sound mind.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 12:20 pm

However pretty much everything Trump said about COVID has turned out to be true.
Unlike your hero Biden who has had to reverse course on so many things and re-adopt Trumpian positions he had condemned while on the campaign trail.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 1:19 pm

What has Trump said about covid that turned out to be true? For instances his comment that “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.”

While in fact over 750000 Americans have died from COVID with thousands more dying every week. And the republican party would prefer to block vaccine mandates and ensure that the death toll continues to rise than deal with reality.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 1:48 pm
Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 2:02 pm

I keep hearing about the massive fatality toll ov covid. When I look at actual data, it does not pan out. It’s a bit like Climate Scientology, really.

The fatalities per 1,000 people in the USA seem to be 0.2 more than 2019. That’s 0.1 more per year. The total is 8.6 per 1,000. 0.1 per year over 8.6 is about 1%. This is from macrotrends.

Now consider that this, the rate has been increasing at this same rate since 2014. This is most likely due to an aging boomer population.

So the impact of covid? Not discernible. Probably not even a bad flu season. Will the panic abate? Not while there’s money to be made, and the media hype every single death and new strain, no.

Jab, jab, jab! Get double dosed, get triple dosed. Repeat every six months! Lock up everyone who refuses. Don’t let them go to restaurants or concerts or travel anywhere without certificates of vaccination! Watch the $s roll in!

You really have to wonder who is actually ‘not dealing with reality’ here.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
December 1, 2021 2:24 pm

Have a look at the CDC data on excess deaths. For instance they state: “Using more recent data from the National Vital Statistics System (NVSS), CDC estimated that 545,600–660,200 excess deaths occurred in the United States during January 26, 2020–February 27, 2021.” from
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7015a4.htm

If that is not discernible then I would like to know just how many people need to die needlessly before you would deign to notice?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 3:44 pm

I’m not sure why, but the CDC seem to be at odds with absolutely every other report on this. Perhaps their use of ‘age adjusted data’ is to blame. I can see some kind of Medical Scientology going on here. I think they’ve intentionally ‘adjusted’ previous years down. Where have I seen that before?

Everyone else is showing a roughly 1% increase per year from 2014 or so. Is it all a vast conspiracy in your mind, and only the CDC are telling the truth? Who are you going to trust, the CDC or your own lying unadjusted data?

n.n
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 11:04 pm

Planned parent/hood, mandates that follow the cargo cult, general distribution of non-sterilizing “vaccines”, and collateral damage through social contagion.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 7:34 am

How many times has the needle pierced your skin, Izaak the Liar?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 2:54 pm

It will disappear when the media and the socialists stop promoting it. 750K Americans have not died FROM covid. That number MAY have died with the infection. Considering that the vaccine has proven to be almost useless at preventing the virus, mandates are of no use either, apart from being illegal.

As usual you’re spouting utter nonsense.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 1, 2021 11:14 pm

You really do live in a fantasy world don’t you Rory. Just say it’s not true and it is so in your mind. So please explain why In England only 2% of the people in ICU are fully vaccinated. That means in a country that is mostly vaccinated, 98% of the people who are getting seriously ill have had only one shot or are the part of the knuckle dragging anti-vax brigade. Of course (as with climate)you will say the figures are false so you can dismiss the truth.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 12:05 am

I’m not antivax … that stuff they’re jabbing people with is not a vaccine. You’re incapable of even following your own bad logic, you cretin. People with the injection are getting the infection at a greater rate than those who haven’t been injected.

The shots don’t work. In Israel more people with the shots are getting sick than those without.

As with climate you still haven’t a clue. AGW is a dead issue. There is no science supporting it, just as no science supports masks or quarantining well people, or shooting experimental drugs into people with natural immunity.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2021 10:22 am

People with the injection are getting the infection at a greater rate than those who haven’t been injected.”
Bullshite. There you go again. Making stuff up. You are as bad as Mark. Provide me with a reference that says the % of people getting covid is higher in the vaccinated than it is in the unvaccinated. Oh wait you can’t.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:40 am
Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 2, 2021 7:25 pm

So you send a link to a climate science denial website to support your nonsense. Brilliant. Now provide me with a peer reviewed medical paper that says your BS statement is true otherwise you are looking even more more like a olympic level idiot.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 8:31 pm

I know of no “climate science denial” except for the likes of skepticlscience.com, realscience.org and other alarmunist sites pretending to offer science. Tony Heller is far more likely to provide actual science, but shooting the messenger (ad hominem) is your style. Tony’s site has 1000s of peer reviewed articles and papers available to those who read well (probably excluding you). Knock yourself out. The information is there, trust me.

‘Olympic’ requires a capital, you idiot.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2021 11:48 am

So no links to your moronic statement about the vaccinated being more at risk. You are such an idiot.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 2:11 pm

So Simple Simon, still reading impaired I see.

Simon
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 3, 2021 10:56 pm

I read fine thanks which is why I see you are full of shite. No links…. no references… no clue. All lies… again. The sad thing is some here will believe you and may well be putting their lives and the lives of others at risk. You really are morally a ball of puss.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 4:13 pm

Saying that it will disappear some day is not predicting that it will disappear tomorrow.
Are you really that desperate?
More Americans have died this year, than did last year. So much for Biden’s competence.
Isn’t it fascinating how for a socialist, the answer to every power is more government control over the masses.

n.n
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 1, 2021 11:02 pm

Planned parent/hood, masks that offer viable legal indemnity, sequestration protocols that force collateral damage, denying and stigmatizing early treatments, braying and spreading social contagion, a domain expert with a track record of blunders from AIDS to Covid-19, 20, 21, in progress. General distribution through consensus and force of non-sterilizing “vaccines” with unknown, poor, and and abortive safety profiles.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 7:33 am

More lies. You just can’t hep yo’self.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
December 2, 2021 10:19 am

“What has Trump said about covid that turned out to be true? For instances his comment that “It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear.””

See my comment just above. Sars-Cov-1 disappeared. Why wouldn’t some scientists think Sars-Cov-2 (Wuhan) might not do the same? And then they pass this information on to the president who says it in public.

Joe Biden is claiming he is going to make the Wuhan virus disappear. What’s the difference between Trump saying the virus might disappear, and and Biden saying he is going to make the virus disappear?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 6, 2021 10:53 pm

From what I understand from several sources is, the virus that Trump was dealing with way back in January 2020 (alpha variant, I suppose) HAS all but disappeared. Starting injections too early during its course of infection caused the mutation phase to skip a few iterations and became Delta. Now we’ve skipped a few more variants to the Omicron. Apparently, the present “vaccine” has little effect on that one.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 1, 2021 11:03 pm

“However pretty much everything Trump said about COVID has turned out to be true.”
Here I’ll change that for you so it’s honest…
However pretty much everything Trump said about COVID has turned out to be “not” true.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:51 am

I see Simon is still trying to convince everyone that anything he disagrees with is wrong.

Joel
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 2:25 pm

I am reading “A Plague Upon Our House” by a Dr. Atlas. Look into it. It might change your view of who was clueless about Covid. For example, did you know that the CDC’s mask recommendation was based on a few covid cases at a hair saloon? That is about as unscientific as you can be.

n.n
Reply to  Joel
December 1, 2021 11:07 pm

Yes, the science of masks is that they offer no source control, limited ability to stop droplet spread, and are permissive of aerosols, when following strict protocol, and generally increase infections in a population. But, they have em-pathetic appeal to the cargo cult, and offer viable legal indemnity.

Simon
Reply to  Joel
December 1, 2021 11:20 pm

“For example, did you know that the CDC’s mask recommendation was based on a few covid cases at a hair saloon? That is about as unscientific as you can be.”
What nonsense. Masks work. Why do you think surgeons wear masks…. clue, to stop infection.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:52 am

Masks work against bacteria, not so much against viruses.
If you knew half as much as you claim to, you would know that already.

Joel
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 2:18 pm

They wear the masks so snot and salvia and phlegm don;t drip into the incision. They don’t wear those masks to stop a virus.Seriously. Read about it. An N95 mask properly fitted is useful indoors for covid, maybe, if all done right. The CDC’s own data showed that wearing masks by school children didn’t stop covid, but they ignored their own study. The CDC is just as political as any other government agency.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 2:51 pm

Like using a chain-link fence to keep mosquitos out.

Streetcred
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 2:50 pm

What about Gates? Star of the left, the most unconvincing speaker on just about anything except stealing IP.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 4:05 pm

Ahh the Russia colluuuusion dolt strikes again

Simon
Reply to  Derg
December 1, 2021 11:20 pm

Ahh the one trick pony twat.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 2:42 am

At least you now realize how stupid you were calling Trump a Xenophobe. You really are a human turd.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
December 2, 2021 7:54 am

And he still refuses to call Biden a xenophobe when Biden also issues travel bans.

BTW, Biden’s travel bans also include Mozambique. Mozambique hasn’t had a single case of omicron, nor does it border a country that has.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
December 2, 2021 10:24 am

Trump the racist/Xenophobe. I got quotes for you shall we start on that. Mexican rapists anyone? “Chinese invented climate” change anyone?

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:49 am

There are rapists amongst those who have entered the country illegally. Mentioning that fact is not racism.
As to the second, as usual Simon has to completely change the quote in order to make Trump out as some kind of villian.

When the truth won’t work, Simon just makes it up.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 7:20 pm

There are rapists who enter every country illegally. No need to say it unless you want to fish for the pitchfork team votes. Trump knew he was speaking to a bigoted bunch of racists when he made that comment.

Here’s what he said…”They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

When the truth won’t work, Simon just makes it up.”
That’s funny coming from MIU Mark

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 5:26 am

Trump qualified those statements with “some”.

Trump wasn’t accusing every illegal alien of being a drug smuggler, or a rapist, or a murderer, he was saying “some” of them are. And of course, it’s true, as even Simon admits.

So Trump told the truth, and the Left distorts what he says and tries to make it out like Trump is a racist. It’s standard operating procedure for the dishonest Left.

And Simon keeps it going here.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 3, 2021 11:44 am

Simon reminds me a young socialist that I once debated. She declared that all white people are racists, the only difference is that some are better at hiding it.
She also declared that if you dig deep enough, and apply the right interpretations, she can prove that all whites are racist.

Simon is 100% certain that all Republicans are racist. Therefore if anything can be mis-interpreted as being a racist statement, it must be. Even if there is no obvious racism, you can be assured that Trump is speaking in secret code words that only other racists understand. Which proves that even if you can’t spot the racism, it must be there.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 11:41 am

Fascinating how Simon knows for a fact that anyone who supports Trump must be a racist.

Then again, Simon is famous for knowing things that aren’t true.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 1:54 pm

You are a human turd. Take your you ain’t black and step off.

Simon
Reply to  Derg
December 2, 2021 7:21 pm

And you really are a moron…

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:48 pm

Climate clown indeed. You and your fake Russia colluuuusion

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Derg
December 2, 2021 7:39 am

Battery-Kar Boi rises to the lure every time, without fail.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 1, 2021 5:09 pm

I don’t recall Trump ever being clueless.

Now Biden, on the other hand. . .

n.n
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 1, 2021 11:12 pm

Trump could have chosen another domain expert sooner. He could have earned the “fascist” label, and endorsed, demanded nationwide mandates with viable legal indemnity, and of dubious scientific rigor. He could have done the same for general distribution of non-sterilizing “vaccines” with unknown, poor, and abortive safety profiles, with a benefit exceeding risk value in a minority of the population, and that has forced the evolution of virus in diverse modes that have proven to pose a greater risk to the vaccinated, than naturally immune or resistant.

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 1, 2021 11:21 pm

So when Trump said climate change was invented by the Chinese, was he being clever?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:38 am

Do you like sniffing little girls’ hair just like Creepy Uncle Joe?

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 2, 2021 10:24 am

You are a sad child…..

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 3:46 pm

It was just a question, must have hit a nerve…

Simon
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
December 2, 2021 7:13 pm

It’s a meaningly childish question.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:55 am

And here comes Simon, spreading more lies. What Trump said was that the Chinese have been making excellent use of the lies being spread by others.
And he is correct on that.

Simon
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 10:29 am

No Trump said…… and this is a quote….. “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing non-competitive”.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:50 am

“by and for”

Once again, Simon’s evidence contradicts the lies he’s trying to sell.

Derg
Reply to  MarkW
December 2, 2021 1:56 pm

Simon really is dumb

Simon
Reply to  Derg
December 2, 2021 7:10 pm

Derg really is a dork.

Derg
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 7:12 pm

Lol…you are a climate clown who hates humans. You will never understand how much the world needs fossil fuels…dolt indeed.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
December 3, 2021 11:45 am

You know you really shouldn’t be so rough on the mentally handicapped.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 2, 2021 10:28 am

“So when Trump said climate change was invented by the Chinese, was he being clever?”

I thought it was pretty clever. It focused attention right where it needed to be focused.

I think Trump’s ideas about Human-caused Climate Change were formed by the Climategate emails being exposed. That’s why he thinks it is a hoax, and the Chicoms are taking advantage of that, and so he highlights them.

Very clever! 🙂

Simon
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 2, 2021 7:11 pm

OK Tom you need to read the Emperor’s new clothes. I think you give Trump way too much credit.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Simon
December 3, 2021 5:34 am

Trump is pretty clever. Unfortunately, he is up against some very powerful forces.

They got him down, but they may not have him out.

Now Trump knows what he is up against, and can make appropriate plans. He was naive about how things work in Washington DC when he started, but no longer.

Mr.
December 1, 2021 10:38 am

Eric, I’m sure you’re familiar with the “Yes Minister” tv series from the ’70s.

Well, all this renewables bs is just another “Yes Minister” episode set in today’s real world. 🙁

Richard S Courtney
December 1, 2021 10:38 am

Eric Worral,

You say,

The utter inadequacy of renewables, especially in a country as far North as Britain, should be obvious to anyone who can do a little math. 

YES! Britain is being covered in wind powered and solar powered subsidy farms.

If wind power were economic then oil tankers would be sailing ships
and
some people want to switch their lights on – not off – when the Sun goes down.

Importantly, in Britain energy is most needed in winter when wind turbines become unsafe to operate because of icing and solar panels are shielded from sunlight by a coating of snow.

Richard

Joel
Reply to  Richard S Courtney
December 1, 2021 2:27 pm

The wind is stronger in Britain during the winter. It is very strong right now as I am typing this.

Reply to  Joel
December 1, 2021 3:31 pm

Wind turbines can’t generate energy when the wind is too strong either, Joel. They need to be shut down for safety reasons.

n.n
Reply to  Neil Lock
December 1, 2021 11:17 pm

Exactly. They have to operate in a closed range to in order to avoid self-abortion… destruction. They’re intermittent, variable energy producers only inside the viable range.

Richard S Courtney
Reply to  n.n
December 2, 2021 9:48 am

n.n.

Yes, and when the wind is not strong enough or too strong you will see a few of the turbines slowly rotating among the stationary turbines of a large wind farm.

The rotational speed of an operating turbine is adjusted by changing the angle of attack of its blades. This is called furling and the turbine is not driven by the wind when its blades are completely furled. The need for furling at high wind speeds is because each blade is long and stresses would destroy it if its tip speed were to exceed the speed of sound. But controlling tip speed is difficult when high wind is gusting because the energy of wind is proportional to the cube of its speed.

The slow rotations of some furled turbines are because the turbine bearings and shafts can suffer damage if left stationary for too long (the shafts sink through the lubrication of the bearings and the shafts can suffer creep distortion with resulting wear on restarting). This damage is avoided by running the generator as a motor to occasionally turn each furled turbine when the wind speed is not in the range for the turbines to operate.

In summation, a windfarm consumes electricity when the wind is too weak or too strong for a long period of time.

Richard

n.n
December 1, 2021 10:39 am

Intermittents, lowered expectations, and a Green/Blue blight. Profit.

Redge
December 1, 2021 11:03 am

Ready for when Griff chips in about how wind will save the world:

We should be fracking Boris not f%£%”%ing

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Peta of Newark
Reply to  Redge
December 1, 2021 12:18 pm

Why doesn’t your graphic include the inter-connectors..

Because right now – they don’t make much sense in that we’re actually exporting 2GW to France but importing 1GW each from Holland and Belgium , Where are they getting their power from if not French nukes or German lignite?

Nice that we’re getting nearly 1GW from coal (Drax I guess or does West Burton (see from my house) still burning coal

Folks don’t like Donald because he doesn’t drink. end of story.
That gives him huge empathy, self confidence and an epic good memory.
As such, in a land of (it’s OK, I can handle it) mental midgets, he is a giant, can run rings around the midgets and knows the absolute futility of passing porkies.
Midgets simply cannot handle those things – not least they are used to ‘sympathy‘ = diametrically opposite to empathy

Itsa simple enough experiment to go there and find out

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meab
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 1, 2021 1:20 pm

Biden doesn’t drink just like Trump. Does that give Biden an epic good memory like you claim for Trump? Biden sometimes can’t remember where he put his mask when it’s hanging from his ear. Beclowned yourself again, Peta.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 1, 2021 1:30 pm

France is running with a power shortage due to extensive nuclear maintenance shutdowns. It has been importing from almost everywhere. Here are the hourly flows on November 25th. Effectively the UK is being used as a route because of limitations on the France-Belgium interconnection. The futures markets show it is expected that France will stay short through end February. Things could get interesting if it gets cold once Germany starts shutting down its own nuclear capacity and the wind isn’t blowing.

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Joel
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
December 1, 2021 2:31 pm

Thanks for the explanation. I couldn’t understand why Holland was exporting but France was importing. Note that in mid-Oct some French minister was threatening to cut off electricity to the channel islands if Britain did not play ball with the fishing license dispute. Irony.

bonbon
Reply to  Joel
December 2, 2021 1:10 am

Holland shut down Groningen, so something does not add up….

Redge
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 2, 2021 12:58 am

Hi Peta,

The chart isn’t mine, it’s from the wonderful iamkate and don’t forget the image was taken 1st Dec at 6.30am

Here is todays (2nd Dec @ 9.00 am GMT) – note the interconnectors

(Wait for Griffs triumphant reply that wind is providing 10.55 GW of electricity – woopee, 10.55 GW out of an installed 24.3 GW

50% efficiency when the wind can be bothered blowing in the right direction and at the right time in the right place. Let’s carpet the UK with windmills and achieve er…emm… probably about the same 50%

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DMacKenzie
December 1, 2021 11:50 am

Spend the money on nuclear and you’ll have reliable economy saving power.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 2, 2021 10:32 am

Yes, it’s pretty simple. Then fools come along and complicate things with their delusions.

fretslider
December 1, 2021 11:50 am

It isn’t just Johnson; Starmer and Davey are even more rabidly green

The final scene in V for Vendetta is the only way to go now

Philip
December 1, 2021 12:03 pm

I thought Boris Johnson was going to be good for Britian [UK]. He spoke up for UK in the early days. It seems that issue by issue Johnson has adopted less individualistic thought to join the herd driving so much of today’s nonsense politics. Especially around “alternate fuels”. Or I suppose more correctly, politically correct alternate fuels, as all alternate fuels are not equal. I’m looking at you, nuclear power.

HotScot
Reply to  Philip
December 1, 2021 1:35 pm

Boris has always sought a legacy, a grand gesture so he’s remembered like Churchill. He though it was the airport in the Thames, then the Garden Bridge over the Thames, now its NetZero.

The difference is, of course, Churchill didn’t engineer a world war to make his name resonate around the world.

Joel
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