Hilarious Writeup of the Heartland Climate Conference

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon; Imagine ancient druids writing concerned articles about how upstart Christian missionaries are undermining enthusiasm for their annual Wicker Man human sacrifice, and you get a sense of how UK mainstream media is responding to the forces working against their glorious COP26. Though to be fair they acknowledge the sincerity of Heartland conference participants.

Welcome to anti-Cop26: The climate-change denial expo in Vegas where attendees talk anything but science

As the world’s leading scientists and climate activists prepare to gather in Scotland for the Cop26 summit, a few hundred people have convened 5,000 miles away in Las Vegas for a whole different type of ‘climate’ discussion. Sheila Flynn joined them

There are retired teachers, scientists, engineers, members of ultra-conservative think tanks and lobby groups. The books being handed out for free look a little fringe or inflammatory – with covers featuring war scenes and explosions – but it’s not until the speeches begin at the opening dinner that it becomes abundantly clear that science and climate are not the primary focus of this conference.

Within about an hour, booming, charismatic speakers – both at the podium and through video – rope in rants about everything from critical race theory and the media to mask mandates and Marxism.

It feels like a low-level, alt-right rally – which reaches its peak with a video appearance by Naomi Seibt, the young, blonde, German rock star of the climate-denial movement. She’s often referred to as “the anti-Greta”, as she is known for pushing views diametrically opposed to those of Swedish teen climate activist Greta Thunberg.

This year’s UN climate summit, Cop26, is widely seen as the moment when countries must raise their ambitions and goals to avert climate disaster by reducing global carbon emission by roughly half by 2030.

And then there’s Vegas.

The Heartland Institute was traditionally funded by fossil fuels but says most financing now comes from private donations.

Dr John Cook, professor at the Centre for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University and founder of the Skeptical Science website, told The Independent last year that Heartland was “one of the particularly prolific producers of climate science misinformation, whereas a lot of others tend to focus on policy”.

“Try as they might, governments couldn’t keep us locked down forever,” Heartland president James Taylor proclaims in the institute’s quarterly performance report being distributed at the conference. 

“Now that we are regaining some of our freedoms, Heartland is sticking it to the environmental left … The worst of the lockdowns are over, and freedom is rising again.

Regardless of what some consider the fringe element of climate science, however, many of the attendees – the ones less concerned with politics and more interested in research – do seem to have their hearts in the right place. They feel they genuinely are environmental activists – but on a whole different plane from the mainstream.

Everyone here is smart – and everyone is sincere,” the wife of one panellist tells The Independent.

What that sincerity might lead to, however – after the weekend’s near-palpable undercurrent of right-wing ideology – remains in doubt.

Read more: https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/naomi-seibt-climate-denial-vegas-b1943394.html

If you want a laugh, the full British Independent article is well worth a read. The “anti-Greta” Naomi Seibt also gets a lot of column inches, journalist Sheila Flynn seems particularly bothered by Naomi’s growing influence.

I suspect Heartland and Naomi will get more airtime in coming days. COP26 supporters have built up so much enthusiasm, such a frenzy of “last chance” rhetoric, they will need someone to blame when it all crashes in a heap. So the spotlight will likely turn to those who work to counter Biden’s green agenda, and block the cult like COP26 climate agenda.

4.3 36 votes
Article Rating
135 Comments
Oldest
Newest Most Voted
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
ResourceGuy
November 2, 2021 10:11 am

If journalism has descended into mass labeling exercises, then they don’t need to travel 5,000 miles away to do it. Well, maybe the special hit jobs still require travel–just ask Putin’s special agents in the UK and Germany.

Observer
Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 2, 2021 7:14 pm

The ones who tried to kill people with the world’s “deadliest nerve agent”, yet somehow… the victims live?

You can see through the Climate swindle, but not the MIC Russia swindle?

Poems of our Climate
Reply to  Observer
November 3, 2021 11:56 am

Wussia, wussia, wussia! Wussia bad!

We have far greater enemies within every Western nation. Neo-conservatives are 100% globalist and best buds with Dems. Who want us subservient or dead.

Last edited 11 months ago by Poems of our Climate
Mumbles McGuirck
November 2, 2021 10:14 am

I watched some of the talks at the Las Vegas conference and there were many scientists talking about just the science and climate. That some of the other speakers addressed policy and political matters doesn’t diminish this. If the author were to view the COP26 agenda she would find copious amounts of non-science blather. But she won’t because … SCIENCE!

Duane
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
November 2, 2021 1:26 pm

But all of the policy related talks – which are certainly the opposite of irrelevant or inconsequential, since the bottom line of all warmunism is government policy changes – were 100% about climate policy. It wasn’t about any of the other typical right wing gripes, such as COVID, antivaxxing, January 6, anti-abortion, anti-Brexit, anti-gay, etc. etc. topics. All of the non-science policy topics had to do solely with climate policy.

Where do they get away with such lying in what passes for the mainstream media in the UK?

philincalifornia
Reply to  Duane
November 2, 2021 3:59 pm

…. they actually have to pay extra to be lied to by the BBC – the Baghdad Bob Corporation.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  philincalifornia
November 3, 2021 5:09 am

I saw a headline yesterday claiming the BBC was getting oil money.

leowaj
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
November 3, 2021 7:09 am

Remember that consensus is science and science is consensus, in the minds of the salivating media. And the media are all too happy to be the shoe polish and make-up that makes beautiful the rotten elitist climate corps.

November 2, 2021 10:15 am
Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  David Wojick
November 2, 2021 10:20 am

I knew that sounded familiar

Scissor
Reply to  David Wojick
November 2, 2021 11:26 am

She’s jumped the shark.

Pat Frank
Reply to  David Wojick
November 2, 2021 3:31 pm

Greta puts her mask back on after singing. She’s exchanged the climate crisis for the Covid crisis. Like changing religions.

With so many others, Greta has discovered that a new falsehood belief is ever so much more compelling than an old falsehood belief.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  David Wojick
November 2, 2021 7:35 pm

Greta has apparently switched to our side ?!! Put that song on the header bar !

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DMacKenzie
November 3, 2021 5:10 am

No, Greta is not on the side of the skeptics. She wants the world to move faster to eliminate CO2. That’s why she’s complaining.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 8:31 am

I didn’t think a /s was needed

Tom Abbott
Reply to  DMacKenzie
November 3, 2021 12:26 pm

Sorry. 🙂

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  David Wojick
November 3, 2021 9:11 am

David,

Thanks for the link to the video of Greta Thunberg’s farcical attempts at rebel-rousing.

I note with great amusement that Greta got strong and immediate crowd responses when asking “What do we want?” and “When do we want it?”, but when she shouted out to the crowd “And what are we going to do?”, there was embarrassing, stone-cold silence.

That one moment speaks volumes about her and her “movement”.

nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:15 am

Yep, now you see, for most people you are like the Flatearthers. In the last 20 years or so people didn’t give a shxt about climate change. Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too. And they are starting to discover that the “debate” has been a pretty one sided, industry funded, bullshot-slinging exercise against scientists.

Jon R
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:35 am

Provide your data and I will die for your cause. Otherwise pound sand.

SxyxS
Reply to  Jon R
November 2, 2021 1:46 pm

He is the flatearther,how could he provide data?
All the failed predictions?
The non existing sea level rise.
The increase in polar bears.
The decrease in hurricanes.
The artic ice that wont disappear
while 63 years ago the submarine USS Skate was able to surface at the northpole.
The ice age scare that was promoted by the same bastards (Schneider, Ehrlich and Obamas science Tzar Holdren) who then switched to AGW.
Climate Gate 1& 2.
Only thing he has is some adjusted bullshit made up by parasites who are only experts in avoiding real jobs.

20 years ago there was no permanent AGW mass propaganda as it is today that’s why noone gave a shit..
And without mass propaganda people still wouldn’t give a shit about AGW as it does not exist for the same reason the coming ice age never happened.
The only thing that changed is how they talk about climate and and co2.
The problem is not climate but the fact that humanity is contaminated with too many shitheads like nyolci
that’s why all tests about human behavior end up with catastrophic results
(Milgram Test, Stanford Prison experiment,Solomon Ash Experiments)
that’s why many beach resorts had significant losses in 1974.As result of the hype about the movie jaws the weakminded avoided beaches as sharks all of a sudden got the status that co2(and Trump) has today though nothing changed in the real world.
And if the MSM would have continued the shark hype for the next 4 decades the beaches would be empty places.
Nowadays a few thousand people die as result of natural disasters in a single year and people get mad while in the perfect > 350 ppm control knob climate of 1931
3.7 mio were killed(more than in the last 3 decades combined )and noone cared because there was no MSM brainwashing.

In 2006 the british mentalist Derren Brown has proven how easy it is to manipulate educated idiots who suffer from the nyolci – griff syndrome = lack of autonomous thinking combined with submissive buttkissing attitude.
He claimed that he can manipulate 4 out of 13 people within just 14 days(disguised as motivational seminar )
to rob a security guard(in broad daylight in the city of London ) without even telling them directly to do so.

The results were once again horrible.

Editor
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:38 am

This is the most hilariously blatant gaslighting I’ve ever read.

And they are starting to discover that the “debate” has been a pretty one sided, industry funded, bullshot-slinging exercise against scientists.

All the money, all the attention, and all the “bullshot-slinging” is from industry funded sources? Good god man. What kind of brainless fog do you live in? The barest hint of an independent thought would immediately demonstrate the complete backwardness of your statement. Sheesh. Of all the arguments you could have attempted. SMDH!

rip

ResourceGuy
Reply to  ripshin
November 2, 2021 12:03 pm

Climate consulting contracts these days include online message management that is typified by nyolci.

MarkW
Reply to  ripshin
November 2, 2021 12:35 pm

I’ve asked nyolci for proof of it’s claim that we skeptics are funded by industry.
It’s response was that this claim wasn’t something that needed to proven since everyone it knows, knows it to be true.

Anon
Reply to  ripshin
November 2, 2021 2:10 pm

How many climate satellites do the skeptics own? How many temperature monitoring networks do they run? How many university positions do they hold? How many journal articles have they authored? (less than 3% now, apparently) How many billions do they have in grant money? How many textbooks do they have in schools? What universities have centers for climate denialism? Why do the skeptics only have WUWT and a few other websites and blogs to get their message out?

And on and on I could go…

This has to be the most asymmetric winning campaign in human history!

Last edited 11 months ago by Anon
DrEd
Reply to  Anon
November 4, 2021 6:32 am

“When a politician says, concerning an issue involving science, that the debate is over, you can be sure of two things: The debate is raging, and he is losing.”

Reply to  ripshin
November 16, 2021 2:58 am

Well, they checked always lie and always project boxes.
They also always double down, so most likely will try to outdo their own previous absurdities soon enough.

WR2
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:44 am

We have a winner for most lies and logical fallacies in a single paragraph.
Straight out lies, ad hominems, wishful thinking, recency bias, availability bias, confirmation bias, red herrings…yep, you got em all. Nice job.

Fraizer
Reply to  WR2
November 2, 2021 1:32 pm

“…We have a winner for most lies and logical fallacies in a single paragraph…”

The Griffter has his work cut out for him, but I am sure he can rise to the occasion.

fretslider
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:53 am

“Now its effects are getting perceptible,“

You mean winter is coming, yes it’s getting colder

Must be all that, er, warming

Mr.
Reply to  John Garrett
November 2, 2021 11:47 am

Is this a side-on picture of a “nothing-burger”?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Mr.
November 2, 2021 1:21 pm

It’s a meatless nothing-burger (on a diet).

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 2, 2021 9:20 pm

Ketchup between two pieces of ultra-thin bread.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 10:57 am

Now that is what I call funny.

Lrp
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 2, 2021 1:36 pm

It’s not funny, it’s sad to see the citizen of a former authoritarian state embrace another form of thought control with such abandon

Mr.
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 2, 2021 11:48 am

Eric, we’re all gonna die WITH climate change, but none of us will die OF climate change.

Pillage Idiot
Reply to  Mr.
November 2, 2021 12:22 pm

When they started talking about “new math”, I didn’t know what they meant.

Now I realize it refers to the way we count Covid “deaths”, Global Warming “deaths”, as well as the ability to call $3.5 trillion of pork spending a “zero cost” plan!

Gunga Din
Reply to  Eric Worrall
November 2, 2021 4:41 pm

According to past “Climate Change” projections, you died at least 10 to 20 years ago.(Maybe even 30.)

another ian
Reply to  Gunga Din
November 3, 2021 1:23 am

Gawd! There must have been mass graduations of people adept with dark rooms, white sheets, tables and candles then?

HotScot
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 11:41 am

In an online poll run by the UN, of sixteen life affecting subjects like education, health, housing etc. climate change came – guess where?

Yep, 16th, some way behind internet access. It got so embarrassing the poll was taken down.

LOL. Peopl don’t give a monkeys about your pathetic hysteria.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  HotScot
November 2, 2021 1:25 pm

It doesn’t matter what’s on the list or how long it is, “climate crisis” is always last. I recently saw a list of 30 different factors. CC was last. If asked to make up their own lists … usually “Climate change” doesn’t show up at all.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 3, 2021 5:21 am

Climate change was last in the elections last night, too, according to exit polls.

Virginia just switched from a Democrat governor to a Republican governor, and other Republicans were elected to other offices in Virginia, and the Virginia legislature may switch from Democrat-controlled to Republican-controlled.

In New Jersey, where the incumbent Democrat govenor was supposed to run away with the race, the Republican is now neck-and-neck with him.

I think the backlash against the socialist agenda of Biden and the Democrats started last night.

Minneapolis voted not to get rid of their police.

The Commissioner of Baseball was booed loudly last night as he handed the World Series Trophy to the Atlanta Braves.

He’s the guy that moved the All-Star Game out of Atlanta earlier this year, after Georgia passed new election laws, and caused Atlanta business people to lose $100 million. Pure politics.

The crowd, which had a LOT of Atlanta Braves fans attending in Houston, booed him roundly. And he deserved every boo. What goes around, comes around.

Last edited 11 months ago by Tom Abbott
Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 9:50 am

After the clear message of last year’s election I was damned depressed. The Left appeared to have the advantage and were gloating, cancelling and spreading ‘woke’ nonsense liberally. Maybe people needed to see what poor administrators they are, in order to motivate people to turn the tide. It’s past time for the pendulum to start its swing back to rational. The crazies have been getting their own way for too long.

I was up till 1:00 am last night following the results of the two elections. Even if Jack Ciattarelli in New Jersey doesn’t oust Murphy, the outcome is remarkable. I predict a sea change on the horizon. Biden is finished and Kamala is a non starter … two lame ducks next year.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 3, 2021 12:31 pm

There were several other elections last night that replaced Democrats with Republicans in places where that was not expected to happen, like in New York.

I think the Democrats have misjudged the American people and have pushed things too far down the socialist road, and people who don’t want socialism are going to push back.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 1:26 pm

The Democrats must be hurting today. They’ll be twittering about how badly Trump has fooled everyone, further antagonizing the people who they need to please. They truly are misjudging the temperature of the land … in so many ways.

Hutches Hunches
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 11:42 am

So the Flatlanders will be forced to accept the Gospel of CP026 due to recent heat waves? Unfortunately, for the C0P26 Crowd, reality will again soon doom their noble goal of saving the planet from a problem that doesn’t exist. A cold winter is all that’s needed to undermine their gloom and doom predictions forcing them to again insist that cold weather is a function of global warming.

another ian
Reply to  Hutches Hunches
November 3, 2021 1:25 am

Remember it was Victor Borge’s uncle who invented the cure for which there was no disease

M Courtney
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 11:47 am

 …one sided, industry funded…

Meanwhile, Jeff Bezos has been speaking in Glasgow.
It takes a special mind to be so immune to evidence. 

HotScot
Reply to  M Courtney
November 2, 2021 1:41 pm

COP 26 will turn out to be the monumental failures of all monumental failures. Why was it even held when the leader of the most ‘polluting’ country in the world declines to attend.

Boris is making triumphant noises after day one of serious talks when Brazil and numerous other countries pledged to stop and reverse deforestation, a promise made numerous times in the past, yet to be fulfilled.

It’s not that no one doesn’t want it to happen, the fact is it’s impossible. The Amazon isn’t being chopped down to provide the west with mahogany furniture or to satisfy the farmers of the region. It’s being chopped down by ‘illegal’ loggers to provide communities with fuel to heat and cook with because they have no reliable, cheap electricity.

Allow them that necessity and the problem largely goes away.

These were the observations of my late father in law, a UN forester who worked there in the 50’s and 60’s when the problem was exactly the same.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  M Courtney
November 3, 2021 9:23 am

Do you mean THE Jeff Bezos . . . the man so famous for his expertise and numerous published papers on the subject of climate change?

THAT one?

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 11:59 am

industry funded

You’re too funny.
Remind me, how’s the “renewables” industry getting on? If you want to see huge amounts of money being flung around, just go and check out the cash sloshing around in the “green energy” sector.

Tony Sullivan
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 11:59 am

Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too.”

Show us some science-based convincing data, and you might just sway some opinions on this forum.

I, however, won’t be holding my breath. And I highly doubt anyone else will either.

Editor
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:00 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:00 pm

Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too

You’ll have the data for all those frightening effects, won’t you? Come on then, show it to us.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:07 pm

@Nyolci:

Pray tell me Nyolci, what is the criminal penalty for Orwellian thought-crime and religious heresy against the holy faith of climate alarmism? Are we to be shot, locked up maybe? Do you have any notion at all of how scientific discourse is supposed to work?

It is my understanding that the realm of science is one where one never stops asking questions and challenging proposed belief systems. Is that your understanding of it, or no? The intolerance for dissent against the climate alarmist narrative coming from individuals such as yourself (among many other) demonstrates that the narrative is NOT about the Earth’s climate.

The narrative is in fact a political pretext or smokescreen for the power and money to drive activist political and environmental agendas for the Orwellian collective. That is is why no dissent is permitted — the agendas must not be threatened or challenged.

You are programmed to believe what you are told to believe by the high priests at the U.N. and elsewhere who are manipulating and corrupting science to service their agenda or purposes. Why? Because thinking independently for yourself is not on your menu.

What we see today is little different from what we see in oppressive police states where the state controls public perceptions and beliefs, where we must believe what The State tells us to believe. God help those who do not.

Are we to love climate Big Brother Nyolci?

P.s. PLEASE provide evidence that today’s meteorological events are historically unusual or otherwise unprecedented. Thank you.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  another ian
November 3, 2021 7:57 am

Yes Ian, stupidity and scientific illiteracy are also playing a sizable role here.

michel
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:22 pm

Here is the hard question you have to answer.

If its so universally accepted that there is a climate crisis, and its threatening human civilization on earth, why are Russia and China not even coming to COP26? Why is China still building coal fired power plants? Why is India postponing net-zero till 2070 and in the meantime building out coal as fast as it can?

Why, if its universally accepted in the West, does it always come at the bottom, or close, of voter preoccupations?

There are people who are thoroughly persuaded of the existence of a climate crisis. They are to be found on the coasts of the US, the South East of the UK (and a couple of university towns in the North), parts of urban Australia. Some in Germany.

And the people who are persuaded and concerned within those areas are invariably middle class, working in media, politics, public sector civil service.

There are also a very large number of people who, confronted with the activists penchant for personal attacks, blacklisting, name calling, have quietly decided to stay quiet or to voice mild agreement for the sake of peace and their jobs.

The situation in these controversies, and it works the same way with race and gender, is a bit like the former Soviet Union. Its not state imposed, and its not policed by a secret service, but the situation is the same, its just that people are doing it to each other.

What happens is, you can be in a room with a dozen people, none of whom believe any of it. And you hear all of them saying they do, and how important the measures proposed by the activists are, and what a pity its all being thwarted by special interests.

You stand there staring at them, recalling how differently those you know well spoke in private when with you by yourself. And you hear the exact same words coming out of your own mouth. And as you look at each other, neither of you dares to wink or allow the slightest hint of a grin.

China and Russia is serious. They have a state controlled scientific establishment. Both have produced models showing no cause for alarm. The Russian one is the only accurate mainstream model we have. And both China and India are acting on this basis. And, like everyone else, though probably for different reasons, keeping very quiet and diplomatic about the question itself. But, notice, carefully avoiding being in any meetings where they would be forced either to commit to the insanity or to take a stand against it.

75% of the world doesn’t believe any of it. And within the countries that are the 25% of believers, 75% of their own voters don’t believe it either.

David Brewer
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:27 pm

If you would do some research, you might learn that most of “big oil” is actually fairly prominent in the green movement… and that most of the scientists that still follow the scientific method rather than selling themselves to the government for funding feel that “climate scientists” should re-learn the basic tenets of science.

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:34 pm

Once again, nyolci reveals that all it has are blatant lies and insults.
So events that have been occurring forever, are now proof that things are different?
No increase in tornadoes, no increase in hurricanes, no increase in wild fires, no increase in droughts, no increase in floods.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
November 2, 2021 1:34 pm

… all of the above combined with a 95% reduction in moralities from natural disasters, like hurricanes, floods, droughts, tornadoes and forest fires. Humans have never lived in a safer period in nature.

MarkW
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 2, 2021 3:22 pm

Natural disasters have been getting less moral?
What will CO2 do next?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  MarkW
November 2, 2021 4:09 pm

LOL … an amazing gas, CO2, you’ll have to admit.*

  • note to self … switch off auto correct
  • upgrade proof reading
Scissor
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 12:39 pm

Many of us recall when the cold trend was really perceptible. It’s not quite as bad now.

John Tillman
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 1:03 pm

Reid Bryson, Father of Climatology, Bill Gray, Father of Hurricanology, Freeman Dyson, heir to Einstein, Richard Lindzen, greatest living atmospheric physicist and Will Happer, greatest living atmospheric optics physicist, weren’t and aren’t scientists?

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
November 2, 2021 3:25 pm

The alarmist have already declared that you can only be a scientist if you agree with their consensus.

Fred Hubler
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 1:30 pm

If I were a climate scientist who could be bought, I’d go where the real money is: government grants.

Lrp
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 1:32 pm

You’re talking trash

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 2:06 pm

 “Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too.”
Translation: Now the emperor’s new clothes are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see them, and they’re too frightened by the authoritarian mob to say differently for fear of being wished into the cornfield.

charles nelson
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 2:36 pm

How do you account for the coldest Antarctic Winter since 1974?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 2:50 pm

Yep, now you see, for most people you are like the Flatearthers. In the last 20 years or so people didn’t give a shxt about climate change policies. Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too. And they are starting to discover that the “debate” has been a pretty one sided, marxist funded, bullshot-slinging exercise against scientists.

Fixed it for yer!

Gunga Din
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 4:36 pm

Some of us that are older than 20 and don’t lust after political power and/or money, remember that your “perceptible effects” have happened before in our own lifetimes.
And some of us read. What’s happening with the weather … er …”Climate” is nothing new.
It’s happened before.
Until you can separate what is natural from what is “Mann-made”, until you can use the original data rather than the “adjusted” data, until you can show that ONLY Man’s CO2 emissions and not clouds, the Sun, etc, have caused what you’re so scared of, the leg you’re standing on is full of GangGreen.
We don’t want to fall with you.
PS Your types seem to love CGI, from AlGore’s calving glaciers to computer models.
Show us some real and “unadjusted” evidence. (You could also include just how a slight warming, Mann-made or otherwise, is worse than pricing energy to heat homes this coming winter beyond what some can pay or wind and/or solar that fails when it’s needed most is better than the cheap and reliable energy that fossil fuel and nuclear provide?
PPS Don’t forget to answer all the “Until you can …”‘s before you address the “PS”.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  nyolci
November 2, 2021 9:15 pm

Now its effects are getting perceptible, and even ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too.

Wishful thinking on your part.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  nyolci
November 3, 2021 3:10 am

“ordinary people start to see it, and it’s getting a bit frightening to them too”
Nah, everyone I know here in cold, damp New England likes a slightly warmer temperature.

cerescokid
Reply to  nyolci
November 3, 2021 4:40 am

nyolci is one of those people who think everything, including a summer breeze, is caused by AGW.
This kind of mentality, void of critical thinking skills, is one reason I became interested in the issue. It’s great comfort when someone who knows so little is on the other side of the issue.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  nyolci
November 3, 2021 5:11 am

“Yep, now you see, for most people you are like the Flatearthers.”

You speak for most people, do you?

fretslider
November 2, 2021 10:18 am

The Indie was so successful it had to quit printing.

Best of all was their star journalist Johan Hari who was caught plagiarising.

Hari was suspended and then resigned from The Independent after admitting to plagiarism, and making pejorative edits to the Wikipedia pages about journalists who had criticised his conduct.

They know how to pick them at the Indie

John Garrett
November 2, 2021 10:19 am

…but it’s not until the speeches begin… that it becomes abundantly clear that science and climate are not the primary focus of this conference.

LOL.

Sheila Flynn appears to be unwittingly describing the current Glasgow circus.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  John Garrett
November 2, 2021 1:59 pm

You’re describing a clear example of how the Left uses ‘confession through projection’. This is how the sociopathic mind works. There is little self awareness and even their own faults were caused by what we do.

November 2, 2021 10:23 am

Greta preaches “no more exploitations” but she is inadvertently supporting what is exposed in the Pulitzer Prize nominated book “Clean Energy Exploitations – Helping Citizens Understand the Environmental and Humanity Abuses That Support Clean Energy”.
https://shop.americaoutloud.com/content/clean-energy-exploitations-helping-citizens-understand-environmental-and-humanity-abuses

The book highlights how Asians and Africans, many of them children from the poorer and less healthy countries, are being enslaved and are dying in mines and factories to obtain the exotic minerals and metals required for the green energy technologies for the construction of EV batteries, solar panels, wind turbines, and utility-scale storage batteries.

In addition, the mining for these materials in less-developed countries, with virtually non-existent environmental regulations, inflict degradation to the local landscape beyond comprehension.

Dave-E
November 2, 2021 10:29 am

So what the dutiful acolytes of the Marxist Socialist Media are saying is anyone who questions Official State Policy on Climate Change is anti-science. Do these propagandists actually attend and listen, or is what they type a collection of comments from government Climate Czars and the ignoramuses in the Twitterverse?

Ron Long
November 2, 2021 10:32 am

Sheila Flynn, Lifestyle and Culture Reporter for the British Independent, apparently believes she can tell the difference between Science and Political Science, because what? Someone important told her? She saw it on TV? Hallucenogenic “medications” showed her the way? Everybody knows? What?

November 2, 2021 10:49 am

COP26 in visual work :

comment image

Seaice doesn’t care climate lies 😀

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 11:04 am

Record growth of (arctic) sea ice extent.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
November 2, 2021 11:05 am

In October 2021. The warmest October evah …..

charles nelson
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 10:43 pm

Graphs start at notable high sea ice extent! lol

Tom Abbott
Reply to  charles nelson
November 3, 2021 6:10 am

The arctic sea ice data from satellites only started around 1975.

The 1970’s were the coldest period since the 1910’s, so that arctic sea ice should be at its highest extent during the beginning of the graph.

November 2, 2021 10:55 am

Snow in the Alpes, up to half a meter, down to 800 m
comment image

Source

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 10:59 am

Still waiting on the update (after COP26) for North Atlantic SST

Reply to  ResourceGuy
November 2, 2021 11:49 am

Why wait ?
comment image

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 12:05 pm

That’s looking chilly!

John Tillman
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 1:15 pm

That’s La Niña in earnest, with colder than average SST clear across the tropical Pacific from Peru to Papua.

bonbon
Reply to  Krishna Gans
November 2, 2021 12:16 pm

Yeah, and I am having trouble getting some Ski Slalom footage on Eurosport. Only Slovenian coverage so far… What has happened?

Last edited 11 months ago by bonbon
bonbon
Reply to  bonbon
November 2, 2021 1:09 pm

ok, sportschau.de works, not yet yoyotub….

Editor
November 2, 2021 10:58 am

The journalist is the one hat attended the conference for Channel 4 TV. Instead of asking questions so that she could report the viewpoints of the speakers, she vehemently argued the climate crisis viewpoint with everyone she questioned.

HeaterGuy
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 2, 2021 11:58 am

Kip, I attended as well. Anyone that witnessed her line of questioning clearly understood she was just parroting climate alarmist talking points without understanding her own questions. Her LinkedIn profiles lists her as a “Lifestyles and Cultures” reporter. Part of the problem…the media is sending their “Alec Baldwin comforts Halyna Hutchin’s family after shooting..” reporter to a science meeting. GIGO.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 2, 2021 2:07 pm

The duty of the reporter is actually the first step in the scientific method. The thing is; she has no understanding of science or the method. She sees her role as an educator of the uninformed, the confused and the blind. To her climate science is indistinguishable from the dogma.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 2, 2021 9:31 pm

Crusader Rabbit! Minus the fur coat.

Independent
Reply to  Kip Hansen
November 2, 2021 5:10 pm

She is not a journalist. I highly recommend people call her and those like her what they are: highly paid propagandists.

Kevin kilty
November 2, 2021 11:29 am

For someone like Sheila Flynn, science is all about ideology. Or more crudely put, all about politics. I love the part about the world’s leading scientists meeting in Glasgow. “Leading scientist”; is that like a pied piper?

Fraizer
Reply to  Kevin kilty
November 2, 2021 1:41 pm

Yeah, LEADING scientiasts. John Kerry was there, as well as Boris and you know, the thing.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Kevin kilty
November 2, 2021 2:11 pm

“Leading scientists” is a buzz phrase meant to instill confidence and gaslight any opposition, which is what appeals to authority are supposed to do.

On close examination all of “climate change” science (as opposed to actual science) is the assiduous use of logical fallacies to sway opinion.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Rory Forbes
November 3, 2021 1:23 am

They are invariably ‘leaden scientists’ – all gravitas and scientifically inert.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Nick Graves
November 3, 2021 9:28 am

Nice turn of phrase … and true 🙂

MarkW
Reply to  Kevin kilty
November 2, 2021 3:31 pm

Looking at the list of those who are attending, I see mostly politicians. Not many scientists, Not even politicians who make their living pretending to be scientists.

Anon
November 2, 2021 11:37 am

I really find it incredible that they chose to cover this at all. As corporate media is losing credibility everywhere, this is like leaving bread crumbs for a mouse to follow to the block of cheese.

Streisand Effect

The Streisand effect is a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove, or censor information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness of that information, often via the Internet. It is named after American singer Barbra Streisand, whose attempt to suppress the California Coastal Records Project photograph of her residence in Malibu, California, taken to document California coastal erosion, inadvertently drew greater attention to it in 2003.

Attempts to suppress information are often made through cease-and-desist letters, but instead of being suppressed, the information receives extensive publicity, as well as media extensions such as videos and spoof songs, which can be mirrored on the Internet or distributed on file-sharing networks.

The Streisand effect is an example of psychological reactance, wherein once people are aware that some information is being kept from them, they are significantly more motivated to access and spread that information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

Using phrase like “anti-Cop26″, “anti-Greta” elevates them to the same level.

When Is Bad Publicity Good?

Negative publicity can increase sales when a product or company is relatively unknown simply because it stimulates product awareness.

https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/when-bad-publicity-good

If you look at someone like Jordan Peterson, he was an obscure college professor with only 500 copies of his first book sold. Then the Left-wing media went after him and he became a media superstar and millionaire and just recently purchased a second “vacation” home. (lol)

But “unintended consequences seem to be a hallmark of today’s governing elites.

Last edited 11 months ago by Anon
Redge
November 2, 2021 11:45 am

Dr John Cook, professor at the Centre for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University and founder of the Skeptical Science website, told The Independent last year that Heartland was “one of the particularly prolific producers of climate science misinformation, whereas a lot of others tend to focus on policy”

Projecting much, Johnny boy?

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Redge
November 2, 2021 12:08 pm

Cut him some slack, he’s only a cartoonist.

Anon
Reply to  Redge
November 2, 2021 12:59 pm

Whenever I get John Cook as a reputable reference, I use this quote as a rebuttal:

The Rise of “Kinder, Gentler” Climate-Change Deniers

John Cook, a professor at George Mason University’s Center for Climate Change Communication who has studied public perception of climate change extensively, believes this type of denial is especially dangerous because it pretends to be balanced—thereby confusing people into apathy. “When you throw conflicting pieces of information at people, they don’t know what to believe, so they stop believing in anything,” he told me.

https://newrepublic.com/article/142421/rise-kinder-gentler-climate-change-deniers

So, with John Cook you get “no conflicting pieces of information“… think about what he just admitted there. Cook will only give you one side, he says so himself. And his reason is that people can’t handle it.

And once that is acknowledged, which must be, as he said it himself, I can get on with deconstructing his 97% Consensus paper, by going through it and pointing out instances of Cook’s own biases.

He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion… Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them…he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”

~ John Stuart Mill

Last edited 11 months ago by Anon
Chris Hanley
Reply to  Anon
November 2, 2021 2:11 pm

John is a postdoctoral research fellow with the Monash Climate Change Communication Research Hub. His research focus is understanding and countering misinformation about climate change, with an emphasis on using critical thinking to build resilience …

There are ‘hubs’ everywhere nowadays, Dr John teaches how to use critical thinking to build resilience against critical thinking.

Anon
Reply to  Chris Hanley
November 2, 2021 3:15 pm

That is even funnier!

But here is the latest guidance from the national paper of record, so he might want to abandon critical thinking all together?

Don’t Go Down the Rabbit Hole

Critical thinking, as we’re taught to do it, isn’t helping in the fight against misinformation.

Use Wikipedia for quick guidance! Spend less time torturing yourself with complex primary sources!

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-attention.html

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Anon
November 3, 2021 6:27 am

The Left would love it if everyone abandoned critical thinking all together.

Abandoning critical thinking is a requirement in order to believe in the radical Leftist ideology.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Anon
November 3, 2021 6:21 am

““When you throw conflicting pieces of information at people, they don’t know what to believe, so they stop believing in anything,” he told me.”

That would be the logical thing to do until the conflict is resolved.

bonbon
November 2, 2021 12:13 pm

Strange that people miss COP1, Berlin 1942, where the keynote speech ran as follows :

¨It is time to break with the folly of these megalomaniacs, in particular these Christians, who speak of dominating the Earth; all of that must be brought back into perspective. There is nothing particular about man. He is but a part of this world. In the face of a good storm, he can do nothing. He cannot even predict it.… Man must relearn how to see the world with worshipful respect. Only then will he be able to perceive things as they are: only then will he see to what extent we are caught up in a system [greater than ourselves].¨

Fully documented in Chapoutot’s famous book (French and English versions) – go google…

This time ’round, the billionaire’s private jets to Glasgow are in your face. Back then the Warbugs’s, Harriman Brothers, Norman Montague stayed in the shadows….

MarkW
November 2, 2021 12:31 pm

They have never found any evidence that Heartland is “funded by fossil fuel interests”. But that won’t stop them from repeating that lie over and over again.

michel
November 2, 2021 12:31 pm

Lord make me good… but not yet

From today’s Telegraph:

Mr Xie said China had “already been making our biggest possible effort to address climate change”, adding: “So regarding the fact that China is the current largest emitter, it’s because China is at a special development stage.”

Like I say, no-one believes it. No-one will come right out and say they don’t. but every time it comes down to do what they say they believe they must….

Well, yes, of course. But not yet!

Rory Forbes
Reply to  michel
November 2, 2021 2:21 pm

You must also understand that for the majority of the lower echelon attendees of COP26, Xi is a sympathetic player in the game … someone to emulate, not to be wary of or to distrust. In their vision of the future they see him as almost arrived.

Greg S.
November 2, 2021 1:20 pm

Good to see at least one person (NorthernGit) in that article’s comments fighting against all the nonsense.

Duane
November 2, 2021 1:23 pm

… but it’s not until the speeches begin at the opening dinner that it becomes abundantly clear that science and climate are not the primary focus of this conference.

Lie much?

More than half of the speakers hold PhDs in hard sciences (not foo foo social sciences and feminist gay studies and such), and ALL of the topics had to do with either science or climate policy.

This passes for “mainstream media”?

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Duane
November 3, 2021 5:49 am

Having a PhD in a hard science is not helpful if the holder is talking political nonsense. Logic is no “respecter of persons”. Holding a PhD in a soft science (or in social mumbo-jumbo) similarly means nothing if the subject is navals and why the lint in there is always blue.

If guys like Comical Cook have standing to pontificate at such an event you know the socio-political tree-ring circus has come to town.

When it comes to social morality and scientific ethics, they will definitely be wanting to ” hide the decline”.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Duane
November 3, 2021 6:33 am

“This passes for “mainstream media”?”

Yes. We see this same kind of propaganda in the New York Times.

Most journalists nowadays are political activists of one kind or another.

DocSiders
November 2, 2021 1:48 pm

Very well-done piece of “new journalism”.

The fact that not one bit of truth was embedded in this bit of tripe is immaterial. The propaganda value was very good… salutary even.

Sadly, we won’t win this war by “Presenting the Truth”. WE HAVE NO PLATFORM from which to reach most of those sympathetic to our side…let alone the masses. It surely doesn’t help that our Political Leaders are totally SILENT on the subject.

If we win this “Climate” war (something far from certain) it will be only because the Global Temperatures unambiguously fall ~0.3° the next 7-10 years… while CO2 levels continue to rise unabated (China’s emissions will guarantee that part)… AND the populace suffers from crippling 400% energy price increases… while the world slides into a deep hyperinflationary economic depression.

Then we WIN. YAY!

I don’t see anything to worry about.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  DocSiders
November 3, 2021 6:18 am

Sadly I am starting to arrive at the same conclusion, having been involved in pushing back against all this for nearly 20 years.

Its public pushback against their standard of living being negatively impacted by mad climate policies that will turn this around.

I hope.

Richard Patton
November 2, 2021 3:18 pm

Ultra Right=”they don’t agree with us”

RoHa
November 2, 2021 9:20 pm

Within about an hour, booming, charismatic speakers – both at the podium and through video – rope in rants about everything from critical race theory and the media to mask mandates and Marxism.”

And this is a major problem. “Reds under the beds” hysteria will not make the sceptical position acceptable for most people. Quite the contrary. Leave out that stuff and stick to the hard science.

John Hultquist
November 2, 2021 10:21 pm

Is Sheila Flynn the on air reporter that
coined the phrase “Let’s go Brandon”?
No! Oh, sorry. That was Kelli Stavast.

Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 4:37 am

From the article: “Welcome to anti-Cop26: The climate-change denial expo in Vegas where attendees talk anything but science”

That’s not too biased a headline, is it. The author wants to shape the narrative, right off the bat.

To be a really good propagandist, the author needs to be a little bit more subtle. My “propaganda alert” went off right at the headline.

Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 4:49 am

From the article: “members of ultra-conservative think tanks”

What is an ultra-conservative think tank?

Or is the author just taking the opportunity to portray conservatives as extremists? I think that’s what it is. The only place ultra-conservative exists is in the fevered imaginations of Leftists.

Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 6:02 am

This is the era of superlatives. There is no more “bad weather” there is only “extreme weather”. There are no more ” bad snowstorms”, only “extreme ones”.

This is the era of the extremist. All my fellow running dogs are extremely correct and anyone else is extremely wrong. This is the typical dialectical materialism argument style. Any proper communist recognises the technique. I learned this while debating one.

The point is to have the thesis, antithesis and synthesis planned cleverly so the communist vision is realized to be the only logical one. After a while I find it boring as hell because of the monomaniacal nature of the Believer but there are the intelligent true believers who enjoy the thrust and parry of discourse on the ultimate solution to material problems, which of course is the Party of All (sic) leading an extreme revolution.

Intelligent people raised in a spiritual vacuum often see themselves as deserving of leadership positions in a government of “experts”. They are extremely confident they will succeed.

DaveS
Reply to  Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 10:23 am

It is now standard practice for those on the left to brand anyone who disagrees with their views as right-wing, or far-right, or ultra-conservative or equivalent. Whenever they do this they immediately betray their own ignorance and narrow-mindedness – it’s a sign that they have nothing of substance to say.

Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 4:56 am

From the article: “It feels like a low-level, alt-right rally”

What do you want to bet that the author has never been to an alt-right rally.

I’ve never been to an alt-right rally. I don’t know anyone who goes to alt-right rallies. I’m not sure there are alt-right rallies. If there are, they can’t amount to much. So, again, alt-right, as being anything significant, is another fevered imagination of the Left, who want to portray anyone to the right of Marx as being an extremist.

Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 5:00 am

From the article: “This year’s UN climate summit, Cop26, is widely seen as the moment when countries must raise their ambitions and goals to avert climate disaster by reducing global carbon emission by roughly half by 2030.”

It’s too late. Individual nations may make such reductions, but the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will continue to increase because any reductions in CO2 by some nations will be offset by increases from other nations.

It’s all over but the crying.

Tom Abbott
November 3, 2021 5:04 am

From the article: “What that sincerity might lead to, however – after the weekend’s near-palpable undercurrent of right-wing ideology – remains in doubt.”

Right-wing ideology = A desire for freedom for everyone.

One has to question why this horrifies the Left.

%d bloggers like this: