G20 fails to agree on climate goals in communique

Reposted from NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

JULY 24, 2021

By Paul Homewood

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NAPLES (Reuters) -Energy and environment ministers from the Group of 20 rich nations have failed to agree on the wording of key climate change commitments in their final communique, Italy’s Ecological Transition Minister Roberto Cingolani said on Friday.

The G20 meeting was seen as a decisive step ahead of United Nations climate talks, known as COP 26, which take place in 100 days’ time in Glasgow in November.

The failure to agree common language ahead of that gathering is likely to be seen as a setback to hopes of securing a meaningful accord in Scotland.

Cingolani told reporters that the ministers could not agree on two disputed issues which would now have to be discussed at a G20 summit in Rome in October.

“Commitments made today lack substance and ambition. It is now up to G20 heads of state and government to discard this document at the October leaders’ summit,” said online activist network Avaaz.

Italy holds the rotating presidency of the G20, and Cingolani, as chairman of the two-day gathering, said negotiations with China, Russia and India had proved especially tough.

Cingolani said that in the end China and India had declined to sign the two contested points.

One of these was phasing out coal power, which most countries wanted to achieve by 2025 but some said would be impossible for them.

The other concerned the wording surrounding a 1.5-2 degree Celsius limit on global temperature increases that was set by the 2015 Paris Agreement.

Average global temperatures have already risen by more than 1 degree compared to the pre-industrial baseline used by scientists and are on track to exceed the 1.5-2 degree ceiling.

“Some countries wanted to go faster than what was agreed in Paris and to aim to cap temperatures at 1.5 degrees within a decade, but others, with more carbon based economies, said let’s just stick to what was agreed in Paris,” Cingolani said.

The final communique, which had been due to be published on Friday, would probably not now be released until Saturday, he added.

Ahead of COP 26, environmental activists had hoped that the G20 gathering would lead to a strengthening of climate targets, new commitments on climate financing, and an increase in countries committing to net zero emissions by 2050.

“The G20 is failing to deliver. Italy’s G20 tagline is ‘People, Planet, Prosperity’, but today the G20 is delivering ‘Pollution, Poverty and Paralysis,” said Avaaz.

Cingolani said the G20 had made no new financial commitments, but added that Italy would increase its own climate financing for underdeveloped countries.

https://news.yahoo.com/g20-loath-commit-climate-meeting-132942460.html

Clearly China, Russia and India were never going to commit to give a date for phasing out coal power, as they know their economies depend on it. And while ever Germany carries on using coal, which they plan to until 2038, they will carry on saying get lost.

But more significant is the second sticking point – “Some countries wanted to go faster than what was agreed in Paris and to aim to cap temperatures at 1.5 degrees within a decade, but others, with more carbon based economies, said let’s just stick to what was agreed in Paris”

As we know, the Paris Agreement did nothing whatsoever to cut global emissions. While the 1.5C figure was “agreed” as the objective, the Agreement contained nothing to actually achieving it. On the contrary, developing nations were allowed to carry on increasing emissions, more than cancelling out emissions cuts by developed countries.

What Cingolani’s statement seems to indicate is that many of the G20 countries, even including developed ones, are refusing to improve on their Paris Nationally Determined Contributions, NDCs. These are the pledges made at Paris, detailing and quantifying emissions cuts up to 2030.

With money still a sticking point, any real breakthrough at Glasgow is as far away as ever.

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Ric
July 24, 2021 2:09 pm

Natural climate variability does not care about unscientific temperature goals set by humans. Sorry about that.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Ric
July 24, 2021 2:14 pm

No, you are not one bit sorry…

Philip
Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 25, 2021 6:11 pm

To true, he is not.

Shoki Kaneda
July 24, 2021 2:12 pm

Lurch is sad, now.

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
July 24, 2021 7:39 pm

Yes, crying in his private jet with the automatic caviar dispenser (bejewelled). Better fly away to one of his beachfront mansions and burn some nat gas in his 47 barbecues, roasting up some wagyu and washing it down with Russian vodka. Should we send him a sympathy card?

paul courtney
Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
July 26, 2021 12:22 pm

Mr. D.: No way John Kerry uses NG to barbecue, like some Vermont cracker. He prefers charcoal and leftover 2020 mail-in ballots to roast the birds he hunted below his windmill.

Rud Istvan
July 24, 2021 2:13 pm

Completely unsurprising. Next up, tier two nations begging for their $100 billion per year at COP26. Won’t happen either.

Klem
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2021 2:41 pm

With President Biden in office they might get their wish.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Klem
July 24, 2021 3:19 pm

Money has to come from Congress, not Resident Biden. AOC wants it spent here on GND, not there. So not gonna happen.

BobM
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2021 7:04 pm

Obama didn’t get it from Congress. Took it from “foreign aid”, re-directed.

PCman999
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2021 9:53 pm

But isn’t Congress as Woke/Stupid as Biden? Maybe more so?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
July 25, 2021 4:30 am

“But isn’t Congress as Woke/Stupid as Biden?”

Yes, the Democrats definitely are as stupid/woke as Biden.

Trump gave a great speech last night to a full house and thousands outside who couldn’t get inside. Let’s see Biden match Trump’s popularity. Biden couldn’t draw a crowd like that if he paid them. Btw, Biden’s approval ratings are falling in all categories, and he’s only been in office six months.

Fox News did not cover Trump’s speech, so about 3 million of Fox’s viewers changed channels and watched in on the Newmax or America’s Voice channels and I think it also streams on Rumble. Youtube, of course, has banned anything Trump. How many times are Fox News management willing to lose three million viewers a night before they start covering Trump again? Conservsatives want to hear what Trump has to say.

Fox News is scared of Trump claiming 2020 election fraud. Well, Trump is going to keep on making that claim so you better get used to it, and he provided some examples of the fraud that went on during the election in Arizona, where he was speaking, last night.

The Left including Fox News wants everyone to forget about the 2020 election. It’s not going to happen. More and more States are starting to do audits of the 2020 presidential vote.

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CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2021 5:45 am

Tom:

Trump’s speech in Arizona was covered on Fox Nation. I am getting for free for one year because I am a military vet.

I watched part of his speech, and I don’t know if any of it is actually true. If even half of what he said is actually true, it is reason to be upset about what is (or was) going on. And not just about the election last November.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
July 25, 2021 8:52 am

“Trump’s speech in Arizona was covered on Fox Nation. I am getting for free for one year because I am a military vet.”

I’ve been wondering about that. How much private information does Fox Nation require of you to prove you are a veteran?

One thing about the numbers Trump was quoting last night regarding questionable ballots cast is, as Trump said, not his numbers, they are the numbers being discovered by the people in Arizona.

Trump emphasized that he did not personally know hardly any of the Republicans in Arizona that were doing the vote audit. Trump said they were doing it all on their own, and not at his direction.

Yes, Trump was talking about hundreds of thousands of questionable votes having been cast in Arizona where he lost to Biden by about 10,000 votes.

The same kinds of numbers are turning up in the other battleground States, too. Georgia just discovered 3,300 duplicate ballots in their election, and they have only just begun to look at the data.

The Left wants us all to forget about the 2020 election. Like Trump said, “What do they have to hide by fighting these vote audits?”

He said a football team that wins the game wants to look at the replay of the game and enjoy their victory again, and they want to make CD’s of the game to sell to other people so they can see their victory, too.

But the Democrats don’t want their 2020 election victory relived. Why? What do they have to hide?

We know what they have to hide: corruption and election fraud. But it’s not going to be hidden away forever.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2021 7:41 pm

“I’ve been wondering about that. How much private information does Fox Nation require of you to prove you are a veteran?”

Tom:

As I recall when I signed up, I gave them the branch of service I was in (U.S. Navy) and the years that I served among other things.

To verify it, I would think that they would have to have access to the DoD’s database of military veterans or their own database that they obtained from the DoD. Or maybe they send my info to the DoD electronically and request verification of my veteran status.

At any rate, I appreciate the free year of my subscription to Fox Nation even though I haven’t watched a lot of it yet.

Regarding the claims of 2020 election fraud, the evidence that is said to have surfaced in Arizona and Georgia is indeed disturbing if it holds up. If all Hell breaks loose from the evidence after all the auditing is done in the various states, the Democrats could be in very deep you-know-what which will be very interesting to watch.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
July 28, 2021 4:04 am

Thanks for the Info, CD. If that’s all there is to it, I’ll sign up. I thought I might have to supply them with my DD-214.

Speaking of election fraud, I saw a headline yesterday saying even some Democrats are starting to question whether Biden won the election or not, after hearing about some of those numbers.

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MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2021 8:00 am

Biden and CNN recently gave a townhall style meeting, the facilities were that big, and from the pictures I saw, it was at most 20% filled.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2021 9:01 am

Yes, I saw that meeting. It was pathetic. You would think the Democrats would at least have enough sense to pay enough people to fill that small auditorium and not make Biden look so lonely.

The Democrats are so good at disinformation, and then they let something like this slip by them and show the real truth, that Biden doesn’t have much support even in a friendly forum like CNN.

I’m with Trump when he says conservatives outnumber the radical Democrats. Trump says most Americans don’t support defunding the police, or teaching racism in the public schools, or want their guns taken away, or their free speech curtailed, and that only radical Democrats support such things.

So the radicals might have 25 percent of the population, but the moderates have the rest. That sounds about right to me.

Now, if we can just get an accurate vote count next time.

.KcTaz
Reply to  Klem
July 25, 2021 4:47 am

With Biden in office anything is possible. Heck, he might even sell the US to China.

paul courtney
Reply to  .KcTaz
July 26, 2021 12:26 pm

Mr. Taz: Sell? Ha!! The Chinese are not so daft as to pay for it when he’s givin’ it away.

July 24, 2021 2:23 pm

Critical Climate Theory demands agreement now. Storms in Germany and China are washing away solar arrays and windmills – do something! How dare you twitter away time!

Eric Worrall(@eworrall1)
Admin
July 24, 2021 2:25 pm

Sometimes I feel sorry for climate worriers. They are like children who are frightened to sleep at night because the monsters under the bed might get them. They breathlessly await each climate conference, hoping this will be the one – only to repeatedly experience the despair of total failure. They genuinely believe their kids if any will suffer a horrible death.

I’m not talking about the leaders, the exploiters. I’m talking about the victims of the movement, the foot soldiers.

Can you imagine for a moment the suffering you would endure if you were so messed up you genuinely believed the world was doomed? It doesn’t matter the problem is imaginary, the suffering is real – just like that frightened kid who lays in bed wide awake, jumping at every shadow or sound.

If it wasn’t for the tremendous harm they do, through their political support for looters and wreckers, all I would feel is sympathy.

george1st:)
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2021 5:41 pm

Indeed , it’s child abuse by any other name they call it , and being done through the elites to the parents and teachers .
Would never be tolerated in a civilised society yet is promoted as science is settled .
Goes against everything our freedom stands for and have fought and died for .

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2021 5:51 pm

“ just like that frightened kid who lays in bed wide awake, jumping at every shadow or sound.”

Apt description of Greta, an abused child with mental deficits.
People like to mock her but I see her as a victim.

As noted before, one day she’ll figure out who “stole her childhood” and I’d advise her parents to hide the silverware.

H.R.
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 24, 2021 9:38 pm

It brings Lizzie Borden to mind. It wasn’t Climate Change® , so what got into Lizzie?

Let’s hope Greta takes the bad news a little more calmly.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  H.R.
July 24, 2021 11:40 pm

Wasn’t it Mutton Stew for the umpteenth time that flipped Lizzie? If the family had been Vegan and it had been Quorn all would have been well.

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2021 6:02 pm

They are certainly juvenile, but many of you may not be old enough to know about the corner preachers with signs ‘THE END IS NEAR.’ I remember seeing them as a child, maybe later. Now they have Ph.D.s and other ‘important’ titles allowing them to run too many things. Like children they try to outdo each other. Will post details later, but a scientific society I was in for over 5 decades just changed their name with all the diversity justification, but with the usual ethical, sexual, racial and other groups they welcome, they added those with “mental difference.” They also will not consider states for meeting sites like Georgia that discriminate. Wonder how many that is now. Way things are going next issue will have a feature article on voter’s rights, voters being just like the critters they study.

Waza
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 24, 2021 6:41 pm

Eric
You have written a very good comment, however I feel very uneasy about it.
I interpret that you have written it as an observer watching the, the leaders/exploiters, foot soldiers ( victims of the movement), the real current victims and the real future victims.
The real current victims and real future victims are not just citizens of developing countries missing out on the advantages of fossil fuels, but the citizens of developing countries who are paying real extra dollars on pointless schemes. THAT’S ME. I have no sympathy, for their psychological suffering caused by imaginary bogey monster while I suffer real financial suffering. They must be stopped.

Eric Worrall(@eworrall1)
Admin
Reply to  Waza
July 25, 2021 6:08 am

I’m not going soft Waza. They have to be stopped, otherwise all the needless pain this movement causes will continue.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 25, 2021 1:43 am

Headline:Survey for BBC Newsround shows children losing sleep over climate change”
Headline:Eating disorders: The terrible impact of the pandemic on the young”
Headline:”Derby staff and students given climate change anxiety therapy”
Headline:”Parents told not to terrify children over climate change”

Drug-Addicted People are Monsters, be that drug=

  • Booze
  • Social Media
  • Cannabis
  • Trash TV
  • Sugar
  • Stories of Doom
  • Internet trolling

We all know this, it is programmed into our genes, and in The West are we doing Perfectly Diddly <expletive> Squat about it.
Apart from making it worse by inventing & dispersing Covid, the Mediterranean Diet, legalising weed, restricting dietary salt and other vital nutrients. Esp saturated fat.

It really is suicidal insanity.
While India Russia China take the pi$$ and everyone else expects money.

Was it Napoleon who described it….
Don’t interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake
Read= Wiping themselves off the map

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 25, 2021 4:43 am

“Can you imagine for a moment the suffering you would endure if you were so messed up you genuinely believed the world was doomed? It doesn’t matter the problem is imaginary, the suffering is real – just like that frightened kid who lays in bed wide awake, jumping at every shadow or sound.”

That’s one of the real harmful aspects of the Data Manipulators falsifying the Earth’s temperature record, making it appear that we are currently experiencing unprecedented warming, when nothing could be further from the truth. It scares people who don’t know any better, and keeps them scared for decades.

Those on the Left live in a very scary world. It’s a world of leftwing delusion, that is perpetrated by those who would take advantage of them for selfish reasons.

Barnes Moore
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 25, 2021 5:35 am

I feel sorry for the children, but not their parents and in some cases, their grandparents. I have relatives and sometimes former friends who have completely brainwashed their children with this nonsense. I have had numerous interactions providing hard data re: where’s the emergency, and the real costs of attempting to replace FF with weather dependent, intermittent, and unreliable W/S (thanks to this and a few other websites) and their only response is using propaganda (97% nonsense is most frequent) and they simply ignore and go silent. Two new favorite quotes apply well to this crowd: “By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox” Galileo, and “It’s usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis with people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance”. Thomas Sowell.

Kevin R.
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 25, 2021 12:32 pm

The Left creates a very neurotic society.

Gary Pearse
July 24, 2021 2:31 pm

Everyone knows 5 billion people outside the West are unstoppable in their quest to obtain prosperity for their peoples the old fashion way, cheap, abundant reliable coal power. It’s working like a charm for early adopters -double digit GDP growth and a big bonus that worked even better than economists expected.

Bangladesh, with 15+%/yr growth over the past six years, in the same time period dropped fertility rates from 6 children per family to just under 2 children!! This is the best way to cut impacts on the ecology! Bengal tigers in the delta increased +10% in the last couple of years after declines over 30yrs. Tigers in the adjacent area in India increased 38%.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 24, 2021 2:37 pm

Both Biden and Kerry in unguarded moments said if this continues, our climate efforts are pointless. If they know, the rest of the NWO ciphers certainly know, so the the strategy is a holding plan with vain hope the only way forward. It’s all over except the mass psychosis phase.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 24, 2021 3:10 pm

Maybe they really do believe that if the West cuts its collective throat, the developing countries will follow suit. Although I can’t believe they actually think the West will be producing all those wonderful green machines.

Politics, ideology and stupidity can only carry suicidal policies so far. With the ChiCom virus winding down, I hope those “infrastructure” “investments” won’t be the vehicle for a stealth GND.

Abolition Man
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 25, 2021 6:38 am

Dave,
Not even Purple Heart Kerry is that stupid! They just hope their fantasies will be realized soon! A world of only one billion peons and slaves; with them as the cream floating on top!
Having to deal with people with aches, pains and calluses must be a real burden to them!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Gary Pearse
July 25, 2021 9:22 am

Do these people truly believe that humans are powerful enough to stop temperature from increasing or decreasing? It has to take a special kind of stupid to believe that. Especially as none of them lived during the Incredible Golden Age of Climate before industrialization. I do wonder how much they would like it they were somehow dropped back in time to 1840….

Krishna Gans
July 24, 2021 2:36 pm

I’m sooo disapointed……NOT 😀

MarkW
July 24, 2021 2:46 pm

Is the US still the only country to have met it’s Paris commitments?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 4:32 pm

No, not at all. China and India have also met their commitments in full. Those commitments were to do nothing at all, however.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
July 25, 2021 4:53 am

Excellent point Zig Zag!

The U.S. did decrease its CO2 output, back to 2005 levels, I believe.

China and India did meet their obligations which amounted to doing nothing. That’s what they agreed to do. That was the only way Obama-Biden-Kerry could get them to sign on to the agreement. You guys don’t have to do anything! Sign here! And they did. Why not? Why not allow the West to cripple itself economically, especially when China and India are not required to harm their economies. It’s just good policy from their point of view.

The Leftist West is certainly an Idocracy/Greedyocracy.

Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers
Reply to  MarkW
July 24, 2021 10:22 pm

Australia is ahead of its commitment..

MarkW
Reply to  Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers
July 25, 2021 8:01 am

My condolences.

george1st:)
Reply to  Tarquin Wombat-Carruthers
July 25, 2021 4:29 pm

But we are not bankrupt yet , they still want more .
Brown outs are not good enough , they want total black outs .

David Kamakaris
July 24, 2021 3:05 pm

Merciful Heavens! 1.5° above the Little Ice Age?

Count me among the unalarmed.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 24, 2021 5:47 pm

I’m rooting working for another 2c
Finally get some nice summers again

PCman999
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 24, 2021 10:13 pm

Exactly! Nothing wrong with another 5°C, even on top of the 1.5-2°C the so-called scientists have ‘promised’ us.

Abolition Man
Reply to  PCman999
July 25, 2021 6:50 am

PCmon,
Would 5 degrees get us back to the Minoan Warm? I’d vote for at least the RWP, where North Africa was the bread basket for Europe!
But it’s not going to happen as the world cycles up and down, each cycle cooler than the previous; heading for the next period of glaciation! That’s so obvious in the geologic record that only an idiot or a fool could miss it; which explains why alarmists don’t get it!

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 25, 2021 9:26 am

No schist! Summer in coastal Portugal is a lot more like the LIA right now. Cloudy, drizzly, and hovering around 21C.

Graemethecat
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 25, 2021 12:45 am

…and well below the MWP, the RWP, and the Holocene.

Sunsettommy(@sunsetmpoutlookcom)
Editor
July 24, 2021 3:09 pm

Yet another failure on their part, how many failed climate summits have there been??

Klem
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 24, 2021 3:45 pm

25 by my count.

Redge
Reply to  Klem
July 25, 2021 1:24 am

It’ll soon be 26, although the participants will declare it another success (perhaps they mean the fine wine and dining they’ll experience)

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Redge
July 25, 2021 3:46 am

wonder if they’ll have to change the name to covid 26?
cos vaxxed or not its a fine way to ensure some Darwin award winners

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Redge
July 25, 2021 6:35 am

“perhaps they mean the fine wine and dining they’ll experience”
Well it IS Glasgow. So that consists of Scotch eggs and warm beer at the local public house. 😏

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Richard Page
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 25, 2021 8:30 am

It’ll all be imported. It will have to be imported – fine dining in Glasgae means going to the local Greggs!

Ted
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 25, 2021 2:49 pm

There have been no failed summits. Each one resulted in a follow up being planned, with hotels and banquets at taxpayer expense. And not once has a proponent of action been voted out for not getting enough done.

ResourceGuy
July 24, 2021 3:17 pm

It’s the globalized token political appearance that counts in the end.

Chris Hanley
July 24, 2021 3:20 pm

“… While the 1.5C figure was “agreed” as the objective, the Agreement contained nothing to actually achieving it …”.
And that assumes that anything can be done to affect the global average temperature one way or another.
Understanding a possible causal relationship of one variable to another it seems obvious to plot the latter (GAT) as a function of the former (CO2), as opposed to the usual time-series plots.
The current trend in the GAT plotted as a function of CO2 concentration indicates that 1.5C – 2C by the end of the century will eventuate anyway whatever governments agree or not.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 24, 2021 3:42 pm

Without trying to do different data regressions myself, I notice that the head posting here says that “Average global temperatures have already risen by more than 1 degree compared to the pre-industrial baseline used by scientists and are on track to exceed the 1.5-2 degree ceiling.”

So they are saying that they think they can draw a line for global temperature just half a degree C above what they assume it to be now, and prevent the world from exceeding that particular benchmark increase over the next 80 years or so? Not only could natural variability easily be that much, one way or the other, there is just no sane nor sensible plausibility to their conventional(?) idea of “valving” the temperature by way of these fuel rules anyway.

I know! First, power up all the wind turbines as motors, and use them as fans to blow air onto the ground — then sprinkle a little water around, and let evaporation cool every continent! If you have to develop cheap, safe nuclear to do this, and/or build more natural gas fired generators, all the better!
Far more effective than worrying about fuel burning, plus cow burps or whatever..

Tom Abbott
Reply to  David Blenkinsop
July 25, 2021 5:07 am

“So they are saying that they think they can draw a line for global temperature just half a degree C above what they assume it to be now, and prevent the world from exceeding that particular benchmark increase over the next 80 years or so?”

Except the alarmists are distorting the current temperature and trend.

NASA/NOAA say the high temperature of 2016 was 1.0C above the pre-industrial “baseline”.

If that is the case, then our current temperature is 0.6C cooler than 2016, so we are getting farther away from that 1.5C-2.0C temperature range, not closer.

The year 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 2016. So, if we again reached the highpoint of 1934, the Earth would be 1.5C above the pre-industrial “baseline”. But we are not heading that direction, instead we are cooling.

How long will it be before we get back to being as warm as in 2016? It might be a long time, look at the aftermath of 1998, which is statistically as warm as 2016, and even if we get there we are still not at the 1.5C alarm bell the alarmist want to ring.

The alarmists all say “temperatures are warming” but they are wrong. Just the opposite is occurring. Alarmists want to quote the trend, but the trend isn’t going their way right now. The alarmists assume the warming trend will resume, but will it? In the meantime, let’s deal in reality.

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Oxyandy
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 24, 2021 4:31 pm

There are forecasts. models, then real data..
Oh well..

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Latitude
Reply to  Oxyandy
July 24, 2021 6:16 pm

oddly enough….the temp right now is exactly where it started….41 years ago

1980

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Latitude
July 25, 2021 1:27 pm

Despite all that “heat” supposedly “trapped” by additional CO2 in the atmosphere. LMFAO.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 25, 2021 4:57 am

“he current trend in the GAT”

Trends don’t go on forever.

The current trend is cooling. About 0.6C since 2016.

Mr.
July 24, 2021 3:35 pm

Considering that some UN lackey just pulled that 2C target figure out of his arse in the first place, it seems utterly ridiculous that grown adults can be having ‘negotiations’ about how to make it not happen

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Mr.
July 24, 2021 4:35 pm

Grown adults used to argue about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. This is no different, apart from the facts that we are paying them to do it, and we’ll be taxed to death to pander to their fantasies of being able to control the climate.

GaryD
July 24, 2021 3:36 pm

The nearer your destination the more you’re slip sliding away.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  GaryD
July 25, 2021 8:31 am

The first 80% is easy. It’s that final 20% that’s the killer.

markl
July 24, 2021 3:51 pm

This was recently sent to me, didn’t verify, but have no reason to doubt other than the number active in the USA today. Says a lot if true.

How many coal fired power plants are there in the world today?
 
The EU has 468 – building 27 more… Total 495
 
Turkey has 56 – building 93 more… Total 149
 
South Africa has 79 – building 24 more… Total 103
 
India has 589 – building 446 more… Total 1035
 
Philippines has 19 – building 60 more… Total 79
 
South Korea has 58 – building 26 more… Total 84
 
Japan has 90 – building 45 more… Total 135
 
China has 2,363 – building 1,171 more… Total = 3,534
 
That’s 5,615 projected coal powered plants in just 8 countries.
 
USA has 15 – building 0 more…Total = 15

Ron
Reply to  markl
July 24, 2021 4:13 pm

That’s true American leadership…if we do it they will follow! LOL
(sarc)

William Capron
Reply to  markl
July 24, 2021 4:21 pm

don’t anyone tell griff!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Capron
July 25, 2021 5:24 am

Please don’t tell Griff. He’ll be in here making excuses for the Chicoms.

Gary
Reply to  markl
July 24, 2021 4:47 pm

We use natural gas instead thanks to the technological miracle of fracking. Less domestic demand for coal. Let’s sell our clean coal overseas.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  markl
July 24, 2021 5:00 pm

This comment shows why you should never believe anything without checking it yourself. In FACT, At YE 2020 there were still 248 active coal fired generation stations in the US (many with multiple units).
It is true the the last functioning one built was a single USC unit, Turk in Arkansas, 2012, about (if I recall correctly) 680MW. Nobody will build more coal units when CCGT takes half the time, half the capital, and runs 1.5x fuel efficiency over USC coal.

Mr.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 24, 2021 5:30 pm

And that’s the epitome of what “progress” should be about – effectiveness, efficiency, economy.

Rusty
Reply to  markl
July 25, 2021 12:06 am

I’d be very wary of anything you see on twitter, facebook or sent to you as they more often than not are simply made up. You can check though.

Here is a map of all the coal powered plants in the world (closed, operating, new and planned). Move slider to 2020.

Ashok Patel
Reply to  markl
July 25, 2021 6:05 am

Developing countries are eagerly waiting for $100 Billion per year, which I don’t think will be delivered. Developed countries should at least give Clean Coal Technology for free !

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  markl
July 25, 2021 1:34 pm

US figure should be 248 plants.

Not that it changes the conclusion one iota. Fact is, China built more coal fired plants in 2019 alone than the US has left to close. Even if we took a wrecking ball to every one of them tomorrow, emissions will continue to climb. The notion of reducing emissions, if it meant anything (it DOES NOT), would have to influence GLOBAL emissions, NOT US emissions.

So resign yourself, oh Climate Fascists, to adaptation to any “climate changes” from whatever sourcebecause that’s all you can do about (actual) “climate change” anyway. Just like always.

ResourceGuy
July 24, 2021 4:17 pm

G20 fails to agree on straight edge projection and other con games. Cycles and other nonlinearity are hard for political science majors.

BobM
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 24, 2021 7:12 pm

Logic and math are hard for political science majors, why they’re political science majors instead of something useful in the first place. And facts. Not good with them, either.

ResourceGuy
July 24, 2021 4:27 pm

Continue to resist Climate Hegemony!

Larry Hamlin
July 24, 2021 4:39 pm

The people pushing the climate emergency crap are idiots and will be fleeced by the developing nations leaders that are positioning themselves as the winners that are defeating the energy and economic incompetence of the western world. What a colossal farce.

kwinterkorn
July 24, 2021 5:09 pm

Decarbonization is a fantasy of the rich, especially the young who have never known hunger or poverty. Russians, Chinese, and Indians, as well as SE Asians and Africans are tired of being poor.

We are going to get the experiment of what happens as carbon dioxide rises. If necessary, mitigation will follow.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  kwinterkorn
July 25, 2021 1:36 pm

If necessary, mitigation adaptation will follow.

Fixed for you. Humans do not control the climate.

Pat from kerbob
July 24, 2021 5:43 pm

To me, these COP meetings make me think of the council of Nicea
Does Lurch or Biden see themselves as Constantine?

Interminable bickering about absolutely nothing, unseen and unknowable widgets

“What is the essence of ECS, is it real or of the trinity”?

Harumph and bumpf

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 25, 2021 5:28 am

I think Lurch sees himself as a heroic figure. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Joel O’Bryan(@joelobryan)
July 24, 2021 6:20 pm

This is belief in witchcraft-magic kind of thinking:
“Some countries wanted to go faster than what was agreed in Paris and to aim to cap temperatures at 1.5 degrees within a decade,”

Sheer magical thinker. Sheer madness.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
July 25, 2021 1:38 pm

When looking at/listening to the climate deluded, I feel like the doc looking at the wreckage at the end of Bridge on the River Kwai“Madness.”

PCman999
July 24, 2021 6:45 pm

It’s really disgusting to see how much the West believes it’s own BS, and how India, Russia and China just refuse to play along, not even pretending to go along.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
July 25, 2021 5:30 am

It’s called “self-delusion”. The Left lives in a world of delusion and self-delusion. That’w why they always screw things up in the Real World.

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Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 25, 2021 6:52 am

There is the Arabic joke about the man who went to take a midday nap in the shade of a tree. Nearby, several children were noisily playing and he couldn’t catch a wink. An idea occurs to him and he sits up. He calls to the children, “In the next village over there is a man giving away free oranges.” With a yelp, the children take off running to the nearby village. With a satisfied smile, the man settles back down for his nap. But he then jumps to his feet thinking, “Why am I napping when they are giving out free oranges?” So he starts running after the children.

BobM
July 24, 2021 7:17 pm

Gee, they really blew it in Naples. Bummer. Now they’re going to have to try again in Rome,in October. We’re supposed to feel sorry for leeches.

Rusty
July 24, 2021 11:58 pm

The idea that developed countries, let alone developing countries, can phase out coal power in a mere 4 years shows everyone these politicians are living in la-la land.

July 25, 2021 12:32 am

In the meantime the media is having a climate meltdown because Bangladesh is building a coal fired power plant.

https://tambonthongchai.com/2021/07/25/lying-for-the-climate/

fretslider
July 25, 2021 2:03 am

“ aim to cap temperatures at 1.5 degrees within a decade”

Why not 1.4. or even 1.2?

It’s complete nonsense

M Courtney
Reply to  fretslider
July 25, 2021 3:40 am

It may well be, of course.
What is the error boundaries around this global temperature measurement? Does anyone really think we can measure it to an accuracy of 0.1 degrees?

In truth, we could have smashed that limit decades ago and nobody noticed.

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  M Courtney
July 25, 2021 6:56 am

I always say you can slice bologna as thin as you like, but eventually you’re no longer putting meat in the sandwich.

MarkW
Reply to  M Courtney
July 25, 2021 8:08 am

Whenever we do smash through that barrier, I’m pretty sure that nobody will notice.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2021 1:41 pm

I’m POSITIVE nobody will notice – if their “noticing” has to do with observations of the real world.

Unfortunately, for most they won’t be able to escape “noticing,” but only because the complicit “media” will saturate them with propaganda and hype about it day after day…

MarkW
Reply to  fretslider
July 25, 2021 8:08 am

They originally said that we had to keep the world from getting 5C warmer.
When it became obvious that even if we did nothing, the world would never get 5C warmer, they started saying that we had to keep the world from getting 3C warmer.
When it became obvious that even if we did nothing, the world would never get 3C warmer, they started saying that we had to keep the world from getting 2C warmer.
They are now saying that 1.5C is the magic number that we have to avoid.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  MarkW
July 25, 2021 1:43 pm

Yes, the dichotomy of their estimates of expected warming being reduced (as, even given all the data tampering, they can’t hide how wrong their propaganda has been) while simultaneously crowing about how “It’s worse than we thought” is always a source of amusement for those paying attention.

michel
July 25, 2021 2:05 am

Yes, it always has been obvious that the countries doing the great majority of the emitting had no intention of reducing. In fact they show every sign of intending to increase as fast as they can. In China’s case both domestically and by sponsoring international building of coal fired stations.

So, as usual, you have to ask yourself why political leaders in the West insist that the West has to get to net-zero, when given the actions and plans of the major emitters this will have no effect on global emissions and therefore, even if the theory is right, will have no effect on climate.

It is like firmly believing that there is a crisis caused by over-use of antibiotics, and therefore refusing it for some particular person for whom one is responsible. The crisis is not a reason. The refusal may kill them, but it will have no effect on the crisis.

michael hart
July 25, 2021 3:30 am

The large emitters apart from the ‘Western’ nations made it clear a long time ago that they intend to do what is best for them, and in their own time. Which translates to “probably nothing”. Meanwhile, the lame stream media continue to make claims about how on-board these other nations are with the foolish policies being called for, and implemented, in the West.

Many of these nations (or should I say “regimes”?), however, are quite content to say enough to encourage the Western nations to continue with their acts of self-immolation at the alter of global warming. This will yield large economic benefits, not for the Western nations, but for those who continue to use the cheapest available sources of energy. And who can blame them, even if they are not strategic competitors?

This, of course, is what Donald Trump meant when he said it was all a Chinese scam. They didn’t invent it, but are certainly happy to profit by it.

michael hart
July 25, 2021 3:35 am

 “…a setback to hopes of securing a meaningful accord in Scotland.”

History strikes again! 🙂

Tom Abbott
July 25, 2021 4:08 am

From the article: “Average global temperatures have already risen by more than 1 degree compared to the pre-industrial baseline used by scientists and are on track to exceed the 1.5-2 degree ceiling.”

That’s not true.

The high temperature of 2016 was about 1.0C above the preindustrial “baseline” according to NASA/NOAA, and the Earth has subsequently cooled from 2016 by about 0.6C so the claim that “Average global temperatures have already risen by more than 1 degree compared to the pre-industrial baseline” is not true, and the Earth is *not* on track to exceed the 1.5-2C degree “ceiling”. Instead, presently, temperatures are cooling, The G20 folks are describing a false reality and living in it, apparently. Governance falters when the leaders live in a false reality. They end up trying to solve problems that don’t exist like climate change.

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.KcTaz
July 25, 2021 4:43 am

“Average global temperatures have already risen by more than 1 degree compared to the pre-industrial baseline used by scientists and are on track to exceed the 1.5-2 degree ceiling.”

It just hit me, why are we using pre-industrial age temps as some sort of desireable benchmark? It was freezing back then and we were at some of the coldest temps since civilization began and people were literally starving to death. Why in the heck are these considered some sort of ideal temperatures which we must not exceed by too much?
If we were still having those temps, life would be extraordinarily difficult, if not catastrophic. Even Arrhenius thought warming due to CO2 and fossil fuels would be beneficial for Mankind. Can anyone explain the logic?

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Reply to  .KcTaz
July 25, 2021 1:02 pm

.KcTaz –
“It just hit me, why are we using pre-industrial age temps as some sort of desireable benchmark? It was freezing back then and we were at some of the coldest temps since civilization began and people were literally starving to death. Why in the heck are these considered some sort of ideal temperatures which we must not exceed by too much?
If we were still having those temps, life would be extraordinarily difficult, if not catastrophic. Even Arrhenius thought warming due to CO2 and fossil fuels would be beneficial for Mankind. Can anyone explain the logic?”
Well, some anthrophobes want a global population of perhaps 500-750 million – mostly serfs and concubines for the ‘E-leeet’.
So extremely difficult living appears to be – not a bug, but a feature.

For those who hate humanity . . .

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AGW is Not Science
Reply to  .KcTaz
July 25, 2021 1:48 pm

There is no logic. It is merely a convenient cherry-pick; start during colder times, end in today’s warmer times, declare “catastrophe” if the masses don’t do as they’re told, which invariably consists of surrendering one’s freedom and, of course, money to our political class and wealthy “betters.”

Perry
July 25, 2021 4:51 am

OTOH, ultra super-critical coal fired power stations have been developed, which match the efficiencies of gas fired CCGT units & are being built around the world where access to natural gas is not available. Coal for these power stations is imported from Australia. 

Read below (for hours), mark & inwardly digest, should, you so desire? 

https://www.bpastudies.org/bpastudies%20/article/view/170/318

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Perry
July 25, 2021 12:40 pm

Well, no. The only USC in the US is Turk. It has a thermal efficiency of 41% using Powder River subbituminous coal in a 680MW single unit. In China, they have acheived (they claim) 45% thermal efficiency in 1000MW units using bituminous coal. That is credible.
CCGT at full load are about 61% efficient. At 80% they are still 59%, which is why the new Port Everglades station was sized at 2400MW replacing and old resid fueled 2000MW station. The new plant runs baseload 2000MW, and spools up in the afternoon to 2400, enabling FPL to shut down 4 old inefficient peakers. The new station works so well our power bill was lowered about 20%.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Perry
July 25, 2021 1:50 pm

Not to (also) mention that unlike natural gas, coal can be easily and safely stockpiled, providing an uninterrupted source of energy during “supply” disruptions. A sizable amount of “base load” coal-fired electricity is highly desirable for this reason.

George Daddis
July 25, 2021 7:23 am

Phase out coal power world wide by 2025? That’s less than 4 years time!

China has hundreds of plants funded and under construction. After giving them until 2030 to CONSIDER leveling off in the Paris Agreement, these idiots expect India and China to say OK, we’ll scrap our plans and investments?!?

Andy Pattullo
July 25, 2021 8:05 am

This is the right outcome of course. When governments get together to decide how the rest of us should live, and they have nothing in hand but unsupported beliefs based on dysfunctional computer models and pseudo-religious thinking, there should not be any conclusions reached that all can agree to, as there are no commonly understood and testable facts as a foundation for decision.

Gordon A. Dressler
July 25, 2021 10:16 am

From the above article: “The other concerned the wording surrounding a 1.5-2 degree Celsius limit on global temperature increases that was set by the 2015 Paris Agreement.”

Hmmmm . . . what exactly is supposed to happen if the 2 °C increase “limit” of the Paris Accord is exceeded?

Does every nation that signed the agreement have to write out 1000 lines of “We should have tried harder” and then submit that document to the International Court of Justice?

Or would the penalty be something worse, or something more benign?

Danny 1959
July 26, 2021 6:30 am

“The other concerned the wording surrounding a 1.5-2 degree Celsius limit on global temperature increases that was set by the 2015 Paris Agreement.” Now we have global elite government types talking about limiting global temperatures by consensus agreement. This is delusional talk on a global scale. Anyone who thinks that taxes and regulation will somehow change the global climate back to something we prefer is foolish. This is the illusion of power over nature. In reality, it is the attempt to gain power over people.

spock
July 27, 2021 6:44 pm

Save the planet, stop farts!

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