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Covid Passports – Malfunctions, Discrimination and Police Abuse of Process

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Store Security – Your Papers Please? As Britain green lights stores and bars insisting on proof of vaccination, its worth considering where potentially telling the government our every move might lead.

Vaccine passports: How can I prove I’ve had both my Covid jabs?

People in England with both Covid jabs won’t have to self-isolate if a close contact tests positive for Covid after 16 August, Health Secretary Sajid Javid has said.

Announcing the changes, he said there would also be details this week on how to “remove the need for fully-vaccinated arrivals to isolate when they return from an amber list country”.

So, how do you prove you’ve had both jabs?

People in England can do this by requesting an NHS Covid Pass via the NHS website or the NHS app.

This is different to the NHS Covid-19 app, which is used for contact tracing. You must be registered with a GP surgery to use the NHS app.

Once logged in you can request an NHS Covid Pass. The system generates a QR code, which lasts for 28 days. You can download a PDF copy or have it emailed to you.

Will I need to prove I’ve been vaccinated to go to the pub or attend sporting events?

The government’s Events Research Programme piloted different ways to run large events safely, including concerts, nightclubs and sporting fixtures.

These events were exempt from the wider coronavirus regulations such as the rule of six.

As part of the scheme, spectators attending Euro 2020 matches at Wembley Stadium are being asked to show their NHS Covid Pass or provide a negative lateral flow test result.

However, when setting out its plans for England’s move to stage four of the roadmap out of lockdown, the government said people will not have to prove their vaccination status in law “as a condition of entry for visitors to any setting”.

It said organisations are already able to ask visitors for proof of their vaccination status if they wish – as long as they do not breach existing equality laws – and will be able to continue doing so.

Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55718553

In Australia police have already been accused of abusing the Covid checkin process, with warrentless trawling of the checkin database to gather information about persons of interest. This has led to a noticeable drop in interest, in complying with a requirement to use the app to register when entering premises.

Queensland Police Service tightens internal protocols on COVID Check In app access after officers perform ‘lawful’ data search

By Baz Ruddick
Posted Tue 29 Jun 2021 at 10:26am

The Queensland Police Service (QPS) obtained a “lawfully issued search warrant” to access data from the Check In Queensland COVID-19 app.

Key points:

  • Officers are now advised not to access the app “except in extraordinary circumstances”
  • Privacy Commissioner Phillip Green says he can see why the public would have concerns about police access to the app
  • The state government is considering legal changes to ensure public confidence in the COVID app

The data was accessed as part of an investigation into the theft of a police firearm and taser at the Miriam Vale Hotel in the Gladstone region in central Queensland.

“The firearm was subsequently located on June 10 after a more detailed search of the hotel premises. The taser is yet to be located and investigations are ongoing,” a QPS spokesperson said.

“The data was accessed in relation to a group of people reported to be acting suspiciously in the area around the time of this incident.”

The spokesperson said while the data access was lawful, QPS had reviewed its policy and strengthened it to “ensure public confidence” in the data’s security.

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-29/queensland-coronavirus-check-in-app-police-data-search/100249624

MIT Technology Review reports the system they tried has some bugs.

We tried out the first statewide vaccine passport

When we tested New York’s Excelsior Pass, we found privacy concerns, technical glitches, and questions over who it’s really for.by 

Rebecca Chowdhury
July 6, 2021

On June 20, about 20,000 fans gathered at Madison Square Garden in New York City for a Foo Fighters concert. The venue was at full capacity for the first time since the start of the pandemic, but it wasn’t a full return to normalcy: To get in, ticket holders needed to show proof that they’d been vaccinated—in the form of either a paper card or the state’s Excelsior Pass, a much-debated smartphone app that launched earlier this year. 

The pass now has about 2 million downloads, which represents just 10% of fully vaccinated New Yorkers. Implementation has been rocky—marked by persistent glitches, privacy concerns, and outrage over the state government’s failure to prioritize the material needs of working-classcommunities of color—and businesses that require vaccination proof are already seeing backlash. Despite these concerns, though, it’s becoming more commonplace across the city to require such proof, and other states have expressed interest in launching similar passes. (You can read more about those with our vaccine passport tracker.)

So what is it like to use?

In anticipation of attending my first comedy show in years, at Union Hall in Brooklyn, I registered for the Excelsior Pass. Spoiler: It did not go smoothly. 

Read more: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/07/06/1027770/vaccine-passport-new-york-excelsior-pass/

I personally comply with the local laws on using the checkin app – as someone who ticks a few boxes in terms of troublesome health issues, I really want to know if I have been exposed, so I can pester my doctor into providing a few therapeutics.

But it cannot be denied there is a broader conversation to be had. Society is rushing headlong into what is increasingly resembling a Chinese Communist style social credit system, in which people’s level of “voluntary” compliance with state directives has a significant impact on their freedom, and in which the government knows a great deal about your daily activities. I cannot help wondering if the “Covid Checkin” system will be retained, long after the Covid pandemic is well and truly over.

Every time I comply, because of my fear, I am haunted by the words of Benjamin Franklin – “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”.

Perhaps all these government interventions are necessary to protect vulnerable people in society, or perhaps they are all a horrible mistake, which will lead us all unwittingly into a dark place. Or perhaps they are both.

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gringojay
July 6, 2021 10:15 pm

Suspicious feeling we’ve seen this before.

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n.n
Reply to  gringojay
July 6, 2021 11:16 pm

Yes, we have. Same handmade tales.
From Jew privilege to White privilege. Deja vu.

Scissor
Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 4:34 am

Meanwhile, the President of Haiti’s pass is revoked.

Skeptic
Reply to  Scissor
July 7, 2021 10:51 pm

he refused vaccines and paid teh same price as the 4 African leaders also recently killed for not towing the WHO/GATES/Fabian Society line

Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 4:10 pm

CHINESE PROFESSOR REVEALS PLOT IN SHOCK VIDEO: US ELITES AND CHINA HAVE TEAMED UP TO TAKE CONTROL OF AMERICA
December 9, 2020
https://www.revolver.news/2020/12/chinese-professor-reveals-plot-in-shock-video-us-elites-and-china-have-teamed-up-to-take-control-of-america/
[excerpt]

“Trump has been saying that Biden’s son has some sort of global foundation,” Di says. “Who helped him build the foundation? Got it?”
The crowd did get it, as chuckles rippled through the audience. In fact, watching the whole video makes it clear the audience found Di’s entire speech hilarious. To wealthy and connected Chinese, that’s America: A joke country whose elites are bought off by the rising Chinese superpower. Tucker Carlson covered the story with characteristic thoroughness and insight (click to watch video).

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 7, 2021 8:30 pm

18 U.S. Code § 2381 – TREASONWhoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

CHINESE PROFESSOR REVEALS PLOT IN SHOCK VIDEO: US ELITES AND CHINA HAVE TEAMED UP TO TAKE CONTROL OF AMERICA
December 9, 2020
https://www.revolver.news/2020/12/chinese-professor-reveals-plot-in-shock-video-us-elites-and-china-have-teamed-up-to-take-control-of-america/

Hang them all.

William Astley
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 8, 2021 8:46 am

There is zero chance the traitors will be charged.

For the last 20 years, the CCP has been taking over industries such as chip manufacturing, network equipment suppliers, air craft manufacturing, pharmaceutical manufacturing, power plant construction, and so on … By buying companies and stealing trade secrets.

China is financing their cold war with the massive trade deficit they have with the rest of the world.

China has a plan to dominate the entire world by sabotaging our government and the governments of other democratic governments. Our governments are made up of stupid actors who smile and say their lines.

Democracy does not work/cannot work if our government is controlled and infiltrated with by corrupt Zombie fanatics how will cheat, lie, commit treason, and so no.

We are losing a cold war and we are losing our prosperity.

The problem is we are fighting a war on two fronts. The Democratic party has been weaponized ideologically.

There are always traitors who will make money/do anything to get elected. That was not changed. What has changed is the FBI/CIA/DOJ have been taken over by the ‘Democratic’ party of America.

CAGW and the Green scams are just a not so sneaky plan to get us to spend our country to death.

BLM is a not so sneaky plan to weaponize historical issues.

Reply to  William Astley
July 9, 2021 5:45 am

Hi William,
Under Canadian (and presumably British and American) law, a citizen can file a Private Information, which is a criminal charge against a party or parties. The Crown Prosecutors in Canada typically seek to have these dismissed, because they view this as an infringement of their exclusive right to do wrong.
Regards, Allan

Robertvd
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 8, 2021 7:35 am

A Central Bank system is a communist system. Since 1913 the US is a communist country where politicians are just puppets. We The People have no say at all.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 8, 2021 8:23 am

The Covid-19 lockdown was a false crisis – a scam to exert more government control over society. All the stats available from March 2020 or earlier showed that the lockdown was NOT justified – not even close. In Alberta to ~1Dec2020 total deaths from Covid-19 for under-65’s totaled ~13 in a population of ~4 million – one in 300,000 – you don’t lockdown the workforce and students and destroy the economy for 1 in 300,000 deaths.
 
This was not just politicians being really stupid – it was a deliberate scam. Criminal charges are being prepared.
 
The UK government has a psychological unit to gradually move people in the direction of their current woke prejudices – the loony tunes of the BloJo government. Other governments have enacted the same dysfunctional policies for Covid-19 – not a coincidence. How could they all be this wrong for this long?
 
The Behavioural Insights team, popularly known as the “Nudge Unit”, is playing a big role in helping the UK government formulate its response to coronavirus.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/nudge-unit
 
The Behavioural Insights team, popularly known as the “Nudge Unit”, is playing a big role in helping the government formulate its response to coronavirus.
 
What is the Nudge Unit?
The Nudge Unit was established in the Cabinet Office in 2010 by David Cameron’s government to apply behavioural science to public policy. Now owned partly by the Cabinet Office, by Nesta and by employees, it has operations across the world.
Its chief executive is Dr David Halpern, former director of research at the Institute for Government, who is also the government’s What Works national adviser.
 
Why ‘nudge’?
It is called ‘nudge’ after the book by Richard Thaler (who went on to win the Nobel prize in economics) and Cass Sunstein which set out how people are not the rational economic actors beloved of conventional economic theory – but can be influenced by “choice architecture” into making better choices in their own interests.
 
What are nudges?
Nudges mean thinking harder about the way people approach decisions and using those insights to design policy. In 2010, the Institute for Government set out some of those approaches in its MINDSPACE report, which suggests that both the messenger and the message were important and that defaults mattered. It remains the Institute’s most downloaded report.
The approach depends a lot on experimentation, and the Nudge Unit has championed wider use of experiments in government.
 
The explanation is here:
CLIMATE CHANGE, COVID-19, AND THE GREAT RESET
A Climate, Energy and Covid Primer for Politicians and Media
By Allan M.R. MacRae, Published March 21, 2021, Update 1e published May 8, 2021
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/climate-change-covid-19-and-the-great-reset-update-1e-readonly.docx
For many more-recent extreme cold events see Electroverse.net

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DocBud
July 6, 2021 10:18 pm

Queensland currently has 30 or so active community infections, i.e. not returning travellers, but it has about five times that number of close contact venues which require everyone who visited them at certain times to self-isolate for 14 days. This has resulted in nearly 10,000 being required to self-isolate and get tested. Last 24 hours, one new case. It is farcical that such a large number of people are having their lives disrupted for a virus that isn’t spreading to any great extent and isn’t killing anyone. Small wonder people avoid checking in whenever they can.

griff
Reply to  DocBud
July 7, 2021 12:30 am

But if you let it rip in Queensland, it would be killing you in large numbers, putting thousands into ICUs (the young don’t die because they are strong enough to endure the ICU) and millions would have long covid symptoms for months after.

Derg
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 2:42 am

Huh?

clarence.t
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 2:58 am

Yet more scientifically unsupportable “make-it-up” fantasy crap from griff

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 3:23 am

Why are you so compliant griff?

Covid is a seasonal Flu, it’s no big deal. The panic has been stoked, deliberately, by use of the PCR test. You do realise it’s Nobel winning inventor said it wasn’t a diagnostic tool, it was a laboratory specific research too.

Somewhere between 25 and 35 cycles of replication the PCR test returns up to 97% false positives. The WHO recommended governments use 45 cycles of replication.

That’s where all the ‘cases’ are coming from, false positive PCR tests.

So, governments decided it’s a really good idea to introduce the concept of asymptomatic spread which, other than in extremely isolated cases, is nonsense.

Perhaps the most famous example is Typhoid Mary who infected a few hundred directly of whom 50 or so died. She managed this almost unique feat by being immune herself to Typhoid, carrying it around in her gaul bladder while operating as a cook.

When she was detained and quarantined the ‘epidemic’ ceased.

Governments have conned sheep like you griff, to perpetuate the myth that Covid-19 is a serious illness.

Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 5:13 am

That’s where all the ‘cases’ are coming from, false positive PCR tests.

While I appreciate your slapdown to griff, I must insist you stop referring to PCR as “a test”.
PCR is not a test. For anything. It is a method to multiply gene sequences until there is enough genetic material to be subjected to testing of various forms. PCR is an incubator machine that breeds neucleic acid strings.It tests nothing!
You will never win a fight against the bolsheviks like griff if you keep using their corrupted terminology. That includes nonsense religious chants like “covid 19”, which is an anagram for Yeshua, which is the name fundamentalist freaks say is the “true name” of Jesus.
Remember how many names we had for contrick1984, before we “settled” by decree upon “covid 19”? I took time to come up with “kovud naentin”. Never ignore the satanist obsession with symbols. Kovudnaentin has brought you the New Order… as demanded by Baal Gates and his Holey Profit, Antonchrist Frauci.

HotScot
Reply to  paranoid goy
July 7, 2021 5:36 am

Thanks for pointing this out. You are, of course, quite correct.

I shall be more careful in future although have referred to it elsewhere here.

griff
Reply to  paranoid goy
July 7, 2021 9:08 am

And what you omit to mention is that a PCR ‘test’ is an accurate way of identifying an infected person who is likely to infect others

Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:46 am

That’s why Drosten is awaiting several lawsuits, the PCR test.

Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 11:27 am

“PCR ‘test’ is an accurate way of identifying an infected person who is likely to infect others” Funny, most health bodies acknowledge that the pcr test cannot show whether a person is infectious. Eg, from the NZ Ministry of Health.

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Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 3:29 pm

Schort and lakonic: No

john harmsworth
Reply to  griff
July 8, 2021 10:46 am

Seriously? You can’t read? The PCR test will return many false positives as a matter of course.

John Larson
Reply to  paranoid goy
July 7, 2021 9:46 am

Um, it’s not just “fundamentalist freaks” that think the name he would have most likely been called was Yeshua, it’s just what he most likely would have been called at the time . . From the Wiki;

Yeshua or Y’shua (ישוע‎ with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ‎ – Yēšûaʿ in Hebrew) was a common alternative form of the name יְהוֹשֻׁעַ‎ (Yəhôšûaʿ – Joshua) in later books of the Hebrew Bible and among Jews of the Second Temple period. The name corresponds to the Greek spelling Iesous (Ἰησοῦς), from which, through the Latin IESVS/Iesus, comes the English spelling Jesus.[1][2]

Tarrasik
Reply to  John Larson
July 8, 2021 1:27 am

Iesous doesn’t sound anything like Yahosua or Joshua.

Joseph is a much better match for Iesous. And far more likely, considering his step father was name Joseph.

Joses(ph) = Iesous

Iesous may have been a diminutive or affectionate form.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tarrasik
July 8, 2021 11:20 am

Iesous is a transliteration from Hebrew to Greek; Jesus is a transliteration from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to German to English.

John Larson
Reply to  Tarrasik
July 8, 2021 11:46 am

Well, I’m about as far from an expert on the several languages involved as I am from Jerusalem ; ) but there seems from my cursory “investigation” to be no experts arguing for Joseph.

Perhaps because “Yosef (Hebrew: יוֹסֵף‎, lit.‘he will add’; also transliterated as YossefJosefYoseph Tiberian Hebrew and Aramaic Yôsēp̄) is a Hebrew male name derived from the Hebrew word yasaf (Hebrew: יסף‎, romanizedyasaflit.‘to add; to increase’).”

While “Yeshua in Hebrew is a verbal derivative from “to rescue”, “to deliver”.[9] Among the Jews of the Second Temple Period, the Biblical Aramaic/Hebrew name יֵשׁוּעַ‎ Yēšûaʿ was common: the Hebrew Bible mentions several individuals with this name – while also using their full name Joshua.”, and there is that Messiah thing going on in the Gospels rather prominently . .

 

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  John Larson
July 8, 2021 3:55 pm

It is interesting, I certainly have not heard of it before.

Unfortunately the details of the transliterations I have seen in the past have escaped me, but there was one point about a sound in Hebrew that can’t be reproduced in Greek.

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Wayne Townsend
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 6:32 am

Once upon a time a “case” was a symptomatic person. Never before has a “cases” been determined by testing large portions of the population. This casedemic has been a way to cause panic. I notice that most articles have headlines and leads focused on cases. Hospitalizations and deaths sometimes are never mentioned.

griff
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 9:07 am

covid is NOT a seasonal flu… it is 6 times more infectious and kills more people and requires more people to be treated longer in hospital to survive.

The cases are those actually infected: PCR tests properly administered have a high rate of accuracy.

I have to call you on this: you are posting lies, which are dangerous in a public health situation.

TonyG
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 12:40 pm

So, griff:

For what other disease have we used positive PCR “tests” to define cases?

Ruleo
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 6:12 pm

20,000 deaths in the U.S. CDC says it right on thier website. [1.5x more die from non-commerical vehicular accidents- 35-40k/yr]

It’s f—– miraculous how the “500,000 Americans have died (or is it now 600,000? Or 17 million?) from the Covid!” gets bandied about.

.

mike macray
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 11:14 am

…Governments have conned sheep like you griff, to perpetuate the myth that Covid-19 is a serious illness.

Hold on there Hotscot, that’s a bit hard on sheep. They may have an IQ on the order of griff’s, but they produce good yoghurt, wool, cheese and tasty chops… more than anything griff has produced.
cheers
Mike

Robertvd
Reply to  mike macray
July 8, 2021 7:30 am

In a country with Direct Taxation we all are just sheep. Form 1040 , which is voluntary , tells you exactly what you are. Never think we are free people. Just try not to pay your taxes and find out how free you are. And a Central Bank system is a communist system.
Always ask yourself who can print all it needs to corrupt the system.

Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 11:24 am

No proof Typhoid Mary ever infected anyone. http://www.whale.to/vaccine/typhoidmary.html

john harmsworth
Reply to  HotScot
July 8, 2021 10:45 am

“He was so afraid of the virus, he died without symptoms”1 Lol.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 3:42 am

Thanks as always Griff. Now we can safely rule out that possibility..

Peter Barrett
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 4:05 am

You are Professor Neil Ferguson.
I claim my £5.

Jack
Reply to  Peter Barrett
July 7, 2021 4:36 am

Did anyone notice recent videos of Neil Ferguson? He was serving the role of scare mongering from the very beginning and one of the main promoters of untested vaccines. In recent videos, some involuntary facial movement (due to affected nerves) is noticed and was wondering whether related to adverse side effects due to vaccination. Similar nerve related issues are noted in CDC adverse reporting system.

jmorpuss
Reply to  Jack
July 7, 2021 3:03 pm

Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’

‘Terrifying’ new research finds vaccine spike protein unexpectedly in bloodstream. The protein is linked to blood clots, heart and brain damage, and potential risks to nursing babies and fertility

May 31, 2021 (LifeSiteNews) — New research shows that the coronavirus spike protein from COVID-19 vaccination unexpectedly enters the bloodstream, which is a plausible explanation for thousands of reported side-effects from blood clots and heart disease to brain damage and reproductive issues, a Canadian cancer vaccine researcher said last week.

“We made a big mistake. We didn’t realize it until now,” said Byram Bridle, a viral immunologist and associate professor at University of Guelph, Ontario, in an interview with Alex Pierson last Thursday, in which he warned listeners that his message was “scary.”

Vaccine researcher admits ‘big mistake,’ says spike protein is dangerous ‘toxin’ | News | Lifesitenews

Reply to  jmorpuss
July 8, 2021 1:03 am

Correct – especially: DO NOT INJECT YOUR KIDS WITH THE COVID-19 SHOTS.
 
Some experts say it’s a kill shot…
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/20/the-looming-oil-shock/#comment-3274021
 
I would so much like to be wrong about this one.
 
INVENTOR OF mRNA INTERVIEWED ABOUT INJECTION DANGERS
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/06/21/mrna-inventor-interviewed-about-injection-dangers.aspx?
by Dr. Joseph Mercola June 21, 2021
 
STORY AT-A-GLANCE
 
·        Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology. He has grave concerns about the lack of transparency of side effects, censoring of discussion and the lack of informed consent that these bring
 
·        Free SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is biologically active — contrary to initial assumptions — and causes severe problems. It is responsible for the most severe effects seen in COVID-19, such as bleeding disorders, blood clots throughout the body and heart problems. These are the same problems we now see in a staggering number of people who have received the COVID-19 “vaccine”
 
·        The spike protein also has reproductive toxicity, and Pfizer’s biodistribution data show it accumulates in women’s ovaries. Data suggests the miscarriage rate among women who get the COVID “vaccine” within the first 20 weeks of pregnancy is 82%
 
·        Israeli data show boys and men between the ages of 16 and 24 who have been vaccinated have 25 times the rate of myocarditis (heart inflammation) than normal
 
·        The COVID-19 injections have emergency use authorization only, which can only be granted if there are no safe and effective remedies available. Such remedies do exist, but have been actively censored and suppressed

THE TRUTH ABOUT MRNA VACCINES – FROM THE INVENTOR
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/04/global-warming-stalls-again-back-to-levels-seen-20-years-ago-and-no-warming-in-tokyo-this-century/#comment-3285322

19 WORLD DOCTORS WARN: DO NOT TAKE COVID-19 SHOTS
Published March 18, 2021
Video: https://rumble.com/veseil-world-doctors-warn-do-not-take-mrna-shot.html 
These doctors have nothing to gain and everything to lose by exposing the truth about MRNA shots and the Scamdemic. These are the modern day Immortals of Humanity. For more details on the Scamdemic go to nojabforme.info and cosmicfact.com

More… and I’ve posted a lot more, since January 2021 or earlier.
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/07/04/global-warming-stalls-again-back-to-levels-seen-20-years-ago-and-no-warming-in-tokyo-this-century/#comment-3284962
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/29/uk-government-explicitly-exempts-elites-from-covid-lockdown-rules/#comment-3283614
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/29/uk-government-explicitly-exempts-elites-from-covid-lockdown-rules/#comment-3282443
 
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/29/uk-government-explicitly-exempts-elites-from-covid-lockdown-rules/#comment-3281225

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Charles Higley
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 5:54 am

Simply not true and truly BS. Which ever virus (of viruses) was making people sick was 1/10th as lethal as normal influenza. With proper, real care, most of the ICU cases would not have happened—and ventilators are NOT useful.

Do NOT begin to think that lockdowns, social distancing, masks, or contact tracing does anything positive. On the other hand, all of these measures are negatives to people’s health and NOT RECOMMENDED by the WHO under a pandemic.

So, why are the idiots in charge pushing these useless measures? It’s simply to train the public to be complacent and submit to whatever they order.

griff
Reply to  Charles Higley
July 7, 2021 9:09 am

Even in a bad year the UK does not see 152,000 people dead of flu, nor does it see as many hospitalised, nor does it see anything like the excess deaths we have seen during this pandemic

griff
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:10 am

I am a realist: I recognise what is happening, evaluate the evidence.

My approach to science and life risks is not distorted by a lens of political opinion.

Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:45 am

Your problem is overestimation of your own capabilities.
You are far away to be a lealist, in best cases you are daydreamer.

Paul C
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 6:27 pm

Public Health England produces annual statistics on death rates. The death rate last year increased to the same level as a decade earlier. Given that the UK has not had a bad flu season for a few years, that slight rise in death rate is significant, but not exceptional.

Reply to  Paul C
July 8, 2021 1:46 am

There are very-scary alarmist stats about Covid-19 on many government websites in many countries.
 
But try to find Total Deaths from All Causes – this data is hard-to-find in Canada and the USA – why?
 
Because when you do find it, you’ll find there was no significant increase in Total Death trends to mid-2020 in Alberta or Canada (or reportedly the USA).
 
I suggest that if you’re going to have a real deadly pandemic, it’s got to kill people who would not have died anyway of other causes. While the authorities in New York State, England and a few other places did their best by returning infected Covid-19 patients to old folks homes to infect and kill other patients, it just was not enough. So they pumped up the death stats:
 
In the USA, the coding for Covid-19 deaths was changed in March 2020.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/04/faulty_covid_death_numbers_explained.html
 
Under the old coding, Covid-19 deaths were 1/16 of current reported totals, more like ~40,000 Covid deaths, not ~600,000. 40,000 flu deaths is a light flu year for the USA.
 
I nailed this fraud early, by comparing per capita deaths in Alberta with those in the USA – my ratio was ~10 times too high for the USA vs the 16 reported above.
 
The USA authorities’ Covid-19 stats are false and fraudulent. Huge numbers of deaths from other causes were falsely coded as Covid – 100% fraud.

Mark BLR
Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
July 8, 2021 4:22 am

But try to find Total Deaths from All Causes – this data is hard-to-find in Canada and the USA – why?

Because when you do find it, you’ll find there was no significant increase in Total Death trends to mid-2020 in Alberta or Canada (or reportedly the USA).

Go to the CDC’s “Flu View” website :
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

Confirm the “National” option is selected, then click on the (green) “Downloads” button near the top-right corner.

In the pop-up box, select “Surveillance Area = National” and check the “Select All” tickbox at the end of the “Season” row.

The resulting CSV file includes “TOTAL DEATHS” in the penultimate column.
NB : With a weekly time resolution, from 2013 (week 40) to 2021 (week 25 at the time of posting), but sorted by “Flu Season” not chronologically !

I found this site when looking for “up to date” COVID-19 death related data. Other columns include data each week on attributed “INFLUENZA DEATHS”, “PNEUMONIA DEATHS” and “COVID-19 DEATHS”.

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Observer
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 6:36 pm

Here in the UK, deaths per million are back where they were in 2003.

It’s not the flu, true.

Mind you, the Spanish Flu was the flu, and it was at least 100 times more deadly.

Covid is about as deadly as the ’68 Hong Kong flu, or the ’58 Asian flu.

In fact, in terms of QALY, most seasonal flu is worse because it kills far more young people than Covid.

Reply to  Observer
July 8, 2021 1:53 am

The Spanish flu of 1918-1919 was an avian flu and it was most deadly to young people with strong immune systems. It was a real dangerous killer.

Covid-19 by comparison is only dangerous to the very elderly and infirm, and the many of the elderly deaths that did occur could have been saved if conventional treatments like HCQ and IVM had not been falsely vilified, apparently for political and financial gain.

Robertvd
Reply to  griff
July 8, 2021 7:21 am

United Kingdom population 68 million. If all would live 100 years than every year 680 000 will have to die.

Reply to  Charles Higley
July 8, 2021 1:31 am

All correct, thank you Charles.

Covid-19 is only dangerous to the very elderly and infirm. To ~1Dec2020 there were only ~13 deaths in Alberta of under-65’s in a population of more than 4 million – 1 in 300,000 – so it made no sense to lockdown that population – and the societal damage caused by the lockdowns is now estimated to be ~100 times that caused by the virus.

It was all a huge scam, led by our enemies from outside and from within.

Our society has been egregiously harmed by traitors. It is time to bring them to justice.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 7:01 am

Good grief Griff. You are paranoid about sea ice loss, warming temperatures and now this too. You need to get a real life and stop worrying so much. In the game of life, no one gets out alive, accept it.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 7:58 am

Griff,

The UK’s population is 68.2 million and according to NHS England 60,000 people in the UK are suffering from long covid. That’s way way less than 1% of the population.

The population of Queensland is just over 5 million and Australia 25.8 million.

Your statement that “millions would have long covid symptoms for months after” is just ludicrous.

tonyb
Editor
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 8:21 am

Griff

Can I refer you to a small part of a longer article I have written. Do please open your eyes and stop being so compliant

 
 
Nudging us in the ‘correct’ direction.
 
 
“Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing.”  George Orwell, 1984.
 
The ‘nudge’ unit was created by British Prime Minister David Cameron in 2010 and now exports its ideas and techniques all round the world, with offices in a variety of countries.
 
By setting out and amplifying  a variety of societal, medical and financial concerns, real or imaginary, Govt -here in the UK and elsewhere- are deciding they know what is best for you and for society and ‘nudging’ you in that direction.
 
Covid, Climate Change, Societal attitudes, Racism, Diversity,  Low traffic neighbourhoods, Cycle lanes, Veganism, which itself has become the signal to examine other food stuffs as regards their carbon footprint.  From Global matters to the seemingly innocuous, you name it and a small clique of people with the time, inclination, money, passion, or power, are transferring their own, often highly liberal ‘progressive’ views, on to you, facilitated by 24/7 entry to a global means of communication-the Internet.
 
What is the Nudge Unit?
 
The Nudge Unit was established by David Cameron’s government to apply behavioural science to public policy. The main building of the Cabinet Office is at 70 Whitehall, adjacent to Downing Street. The building connects three historically distinct properties, as well as the remains of Henry VIII’s 1530 tennis courts, part of the Palace of Whitehall, which can be seen within the building.
Henry VIII, through the English Reformation, a key aspect of which- the dissolution of the Monasteries from 1536 to 1541- created probably the greatest changes to British society in our history.

So it is perhaps appropriate that- though more subtly- the nudge unit occupies space here in order to carry out changes, some of which may in due course be as momentous and long lasting.

The nudge unit is now owned partly by the Cabinet Office, by Nesta and by employees, it has operations across the world. Nesta describe themselves as the UK’s innovation agency for social good who “design, test and scale new solutions to society’s biggest problems, changing millions of lives for the better.”

tonyb

griff
Reply to  tonyb
July 7, 2021 9:10 am

The nudge unit has little relevance to a public health response to a pandemic of a virus much more infectious and much more deadly than flu

tonyb
Editor
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 11:34 am

griff

The nudge unit has been instructed to take all measures to terrify you in order to make you compliant with govt diktat. And it is diktat because parliament has been kept at arms length.

Do read ‘state of fear’ by Laura Dodsworth where all the facts and figures are laid out

Ps you do know that excess deaths are worse for every year prior to 2008 than they are for 2020? That is from the office of National statistics whose data goes back to 1856.

tonyb

Peta of Newark
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 8:34 am

Quote:”But if you let it rip in Queensland

If me you or anybody quits eating vegetables, especially beans, then there would hardly anyletting rip

In’t that a funny thing, there’d be a much healthier population too.
Veggies are:

  • Horribly low in Zinc = what our immune systems use & rely upon
  • Laced with alien (to us) proteins they contain drive our immune systems completely nuts, so much so our own immune systems attack ourselves.
  • Also complete zero Vitamin B, another must-have for immunity
  • Also= zero in saturated fat which we need to mobilise Vitamin D
  • Loaded with fibre that pulls a lot of water soluble goodness right out of us also, esp Magnesium, needed for Vitamin D use, also Cardio Vascular health

So when it comes to letting rip, is it beyond the bounds that ‘someone’ was trying to give us a hint?
Like you know: Don’t Do It and avoid the stuff that causes it

griff
Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 7, 2021 9:11 am

do you eat a lot of beans in Queensland?

Not something I imagine you doing on the beach…

MAL
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 8:53 am

Griff do you no know that virtually no one who are under 60 and are healthy end up ICU period(yes there a a few but the flu is a greater risk to that demographic than COVID.) The reality over 80% of the COVID deaths are those who are over the age of average life expectancy. So no explain to me why did the world lock down the healthy for a virus to the young and healthy was less fatal than the flu to that population? Are we from now on expect the useful idiots in the world to insist that we lock down for every bad flu season?

griff
Reply to  MAL
July 7, 2021 9:13 am

Nonsense.

Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:41 am

Show your other numbers.

MAL
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:49 am

Yes you are right nonsense that what you type out every day. In the past you pencil out skill have been show to be lacking. Data is not your strong point.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 11:28 am

Remember griff, your daily prescription called for two Prozac and ONLY 1 Benzedrine.

TonyG
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 11:46 am

“millions” – what do you think the infection rate is? Queensland only has 5 million. To reach “millions” you would need 40% of the population to have “long covid”.

goracle
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 2:25 pm

griff, this respiratory virus will do what all respiratory virus’ do
…. infect people….

this is not ebola or mers…. the IFR is .2-.3%, @ the same as a really bad flu season, but not earth shattering and in no way calls for the mitigation tactics being used worldwide.

David A
Reply to  goracle
July 9, 2021 2:08 am

The may be the UFR, yet it is not the IFR for the majority of the population. Fir most it is much lower. And if the KNOWN effective treatments had been used, the IFR would be below a mild flu season.

Skeptic
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 10:52 pm

omg ur fkn rtrd

john harmsworth
Reply to  griff
July 8, 2021 10:42 am

Sweden seems to have transited the problem relatively well, which completely puts the lie to your babbling. fear mongering. They failed to protect the elderly and at risk adequately. But the other countries of the West couldn’t mange that either, even with lock downs!
The entire exercise is a case study in the incompetency and incredible cost of government. Whatever Kool-aid you’re selling, keep it to yourself and the fools you work with at the Guardian.

July 6, 2021 10:33 pm

Seems two things are conflated here. Most is about checking in for contact tracing, which has nothing to do with the covid passports of the headline.

We’ve been pretty successful in Australia with suppressing covid That is a great and appreciated benefit to the populace. It now heavily relies on contact tracing.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 6, 2021 11:00 pm

Good luck with contact tracing me. I won’t download the contract tracing app., so I need to sign in. I do so as Brad Pitt with a 555 number and fake address. If anyone queries this then I tell them that they have broken privacy laws. They are not allowed to look at my details. They also have an open book where you can peruse other people’s details, also against government privacy laws. I refuse to cooperate with a dictatorship.

Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
July 6, 2021 11:32 pm

Australians generally do cooperate, and the result is that no-one has died of Covid since October, and less than 1000 altogether. These are real benefits. The system can afford a few refuseniks, but it lets everyone else down.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 12:14 am

Well, we’re in our second winter of covid now, and it’s still going very well, despite current troubles in NSW. Other states have beaten the new variant with contact tracing, and I’m sure NSW will too.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:50 am

No Nick.

We are in our second winter of accepting Chinese Economic Warfare by willingly screwing ourselves over because our elected elite are too gutless to be seen not doing ‘something’.

The rules are utter farces that either involve footballs or people who cannot understand basic maths and the ‘troubles’ in NSW are NOT being handled with contact tracing. It contact tracing worked they wouldn’t need to go into lockdown.

The rules are so farcable that back last year when the Nutty Professor in SA called for a ‘circuit break’ because she was utterly convinced Covid was spread by pizza boxes, it turned out that none of it was true because the ‘case’ made stuff up when asked where he got it from, AND, since his report was not classed as a true and correct statement, the best they could do was glare at him because he hadn’t legally done anything wrong.

Covid is a FARCE.

Lrp
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 1:51 am

Unproductive, useless people do very well indeed; the others not so much

Rusty
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 1:28 am

Australia like NZ is a cul-de-sac. Easy to quarantine from the outside world.

The UK has 3 times the entire Australian populace travelling through Heathrow airport every year.

A very low initially infected populace with vast distances between population centres makes it far easier to control.

Reply to  Rusty
July 7, 2021 2:05 am

makes it far easier to control”
You still have to do it. And they have.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 5:20 am

Remember Nick according to the CDC the covid19 survival rate is 99,7%. I’m not worried at all.

MAL
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 7, 2021 9:02 am

For anyone below the average life expectancy it is low about 80% of those who died from it were above the average life expectancy. If you are below 60 it about the same risk as a young person dying for complication from a cold, it way below that of a flu.

Observer
Reply to  MAL
July 7, 2021 6:44 pm

The median age of death from COVID is around the median age of life expectancy, so no: it’s not 80%, it’s 50%.

But it still kills very few healthy people under 60.

David A
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 9, 2021 2:16 am

For those with regular moderate sunshine exposure, health diet and supplements, ( a decent immune system) and access to or pre treatments with HCQ -Zinc, or Ivermectin, the survival rate is far far higher.

Natural immunity and development of T cells is a far more durable and broad spectrum immunity from the varieties of wifely then any toxic vaccine.

Rusty
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 6:28 am

But they still over-stepped the mark when it came to lockdowns. e.g. Melbourne

These were draconian and unrequired. Business and people’s lives have been unnecessarily affected.

huls
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 6, 2021 11:39 pm

BS. Covid-19 has an IFR (Infection Fatality Ratio) of 0.15 about the same as mild influenza, the Flu. As a matter of fact the symptoms are the same as the Flu, indistinguishable.
Any sick or dead contributed to Covid-19 is BS therefore.

Reply to  huls
July 7, 2021 12:15 am

Over 600,000 died in the USA from covid. That is not mild flu.

gringojay
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:28 am

California State county of Alameda reduced it’s WuhanVirus death tally by around 25%. That’s just one USA district and report from a month ago.

Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 1:01 am

Here is the plot of US deaths.comment image

Vaccination works.

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HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:40 am

Seasonal variation works!

Philo
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 12:24 pm

Seasonal variation works especially well if you can get into the back country in Argentina during the northern winter.

Climate believer
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 4:09 am

“Vaccination works.”

..as of date of posting…

UK vaccination 1st dose 86.2% of the population, 2nd dose 64.3%.

People testing positive over the last 7 days up nearly 50%.

Patients admitted to hospital up nearly 30%.

Deaths within 28 days of positive test up 20%.

Half of UK Delta variant deaths were fully vaccinated.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, I’ve taken 2 shots of Pfizer, but nobody knows what the results of this experiment will be in the long term.

I hope you are right.

Philo
Reply to  Climate believer
July 7, 2021 12:28 pm

the Pfizer vaccine appeared to have the best results, since it had the longest development time. I went for that too.

Meanwhile, I nearly died from BACTERIAL pneumonia, before my doctor sent me to the Emergency Room. Some antibiotics are still marvelous.

Paul C
Reply to  Philo
July 8, 2021 6:18 am

A side effect of wearing an unnatural face covering is to create a warm, moist environment in close proximity to the mouth with a surface on which bacteria (and fungus) can grow. Our immune system is normally quite good at dealing with many and varied pathogens it encounters on a daily basis, but we normally throw a tissue away after sneezing on it rather than breathing through it for hours on end.

Observer
Reply to  Climate believer
July 7, 2021 6:51 pm

People who don’t want these vaccines aren’t usually “anti-vaxxers”, they’re just aware these novel jabs are probably more dangerous than this novel virus.

Climate believer
Reply to  Observer
July 7, 2021 11:58 pm

I completely understand peoples reticence, and despise the stigmatisation of those that choose, for whatever reason, not to get the vaccination.

For me, the vaccination was unavoidable if I wanted to continue to work, simple as that.

I put the use of “anti-vaxxer” in the same category as “climate denier”, labels designed to exempt the person accused of any further legitimacy in the conversation.

I was being pre-emptive, probably unnecessarily.

TonyG
Reply to  Observer
July 8, 2021 6:59 am

The use of “anti-vaxxer”, especially in the case of these new products, is nothing more than a lazy way to dismiss and ignore what someone is saying so that you don’t actually have to THINK.

Rhs
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 5:29 am

Something like 80% of those deaths were folks were above the age of 75.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:13 am

Idiot.

The new drugs are NOT vaccines.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:18 am

Even the low vaccination areas have low to zero deaths at this time. Remember, many people have had Covid with little or no symptoms. We have a much higher natural vaccination (having the virus) level than anyone admits. All those “cases” in the Casedemic statistics are vaccinations by the virus itself.

MAL
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 9:06 am

No herd immunity works, vaccination is one way to get there. More people died in this country because therapeutics that worked against were not used for the general population the NIH, CDC and our media have lots of blood on their hands.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 9:16 am

mRNA treatment is not vaccination in any conventional meaning of the term.

95% of Covid deaths included serious multiple co-morbidities</a, while 60% of deaths are aged 75+.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2021 9:17 am

mRNA treatment is not vaccination in any conventional meaning of the term.

95% of Covid deaths included serious multiple co-morbidities, while 60% of deaths are aged 75+.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:41 am

One – we are discussing Australia, not the USA.
Two – CDC clarified ‘with’ and ‘from’ last year for anyone who was paying attention. Ratio is 17:1. The number you are trying to use as leverage is “Deaths with confirmed or presumed COVID-19, coded to ICD–10 code U07.1.”
Three – Flu still killed between 24 and 62 thousand Americans in 2019-2020 flu season.

You are being either deceptive, ignorant, or both.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 1:43 am

Stokes is being a prat and he needs to called out for it.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 7, 2021 7:22 am

Daily deaths are daily deaths. The fact that the US has a low vaccination rate and increasingly low mortality is significant.

Yes, we are talking about Australia, and comparing areas with less-severe lock-downs, lower vaccination rates, no tracking (like Texas and Florida) is a significant counter-experiment relevant to the topic. This virus is burning itself out. Indeed, the dreaded Delta Variant has sky-high spread in the UK and Israel and hasn’t budged the death rate.

MarkH
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 1:27 am

That very much depends on what you define a “from COVID” as. The way deaths “from COVID” were classified is really unprecedented.

Nottoobrite
Reply to  MarkH
July 7, 2021 5:06 am

MarkH If , I repeat IF, this politically con game is remembered in 5 years from now it will be because the numbers don’t add up, If the media was credible there would be nothing to report on, life is “as normal” don’t believe me?
Look at the numbers for Africa were 90% of the population has not the money to buy a facemask the numbers show life as normal,
If in 5 years those who have had the”jab” are still alive remember that the normal time to test a “vacation” is
several years not 2 MONTHS.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkH
July 7, 2021 12:00 pm

In my area there was a guy who had covid, was driving, darted around a line of cars and ran into something, the impact k!lling him.

Classified a “covid deth”

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:39 am

“Over 600,000 died in the USA WITH covid.” Perhaps……….

At 25 – 35 cycles of replication PCR tests return up to 75% false positives. The WHO recommended 45 cycles of replication.

Almost every one of those 600,000 may not have had Covid at all, they just presented with Flu like symptoms from which many elderly people die every year.

MAL
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 9:12 am

600,000 people died with or without COVID! The way the US counted COVID deaths was, any who died within two months of having COVID was counted as a COVID death and anyone who died and was though to have had COVID was counted as a COVID death. As to how many people died due to COVID is anyone guess.

Climate believer
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 4:12 am

Amplified by severe comorbidities, obesity primarily.

Disputin
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 4:17 am

Yes it is. With a population of about 245 million, 600,000 is a rounding error.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 5:38 am

That’s 600,000 that died WITH a positive “test”. I know of at least 2 elderly people in hospice that were classified as COVID-19 deaths. In the US you don’t go to hospice unless your doctor thinks you will die very soon. There are financial penalties for the doctor if you live too long or come out of hospice.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 6:34 am

No Nick they died “WITH” covid19 not of covid19. One person even died of covid19 in a motorcycle accident another died of covid19 by being shot in the chest at close range.
While you are at it check out the expected number of yearly deaths and compare it with the actual number.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:13 am

A significant fraction of this bogus CDC number actually died of lead poisoning.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:16 am

It was focused in the 65 and above range. That was known early and if we had quarantined only our retirees and kept inept political hack governors from forcing covid positive people back into nursing homes we would have been a lot better.

Philo
Reply to  Wayne Townsend
July 7, 2021 12:39 pm

Seems more interesting that the usCDC never even considered quarantining the sick to corral the infection. For the large fraction that had mild cases it would have worked well. Even bad cases, since it is not long, pronounced disease stage- either you die or you get better.

Pat Frank
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 9:07 am

The CDC has admitted that only 5+% of deaths were to Covid alone. The 95-% rest had an average of 4 co-morbidities.

That’s ~30k deaths from covid alone.

DCA
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2021 10:44 am

Pat,

Can you point out where at that link the CDC “has admitted that only 5% of deaths were to Covid alone”?

Pat Frank
Reply to  DCA
July 7, 2021 1:55 pm

DCA, follow the link in my post.
Scroll down to, Comorbidities and other conditions
There, it says, “For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death. (my bold)”

Table 3 beneath lists the additional conditions, which are typically serious.

DCA
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 7, 2021 2:14 pm

Thanks Pat

Pat Frank
Reply to  DCA
July 7, 2021 3:28 pm

Check this out: Coronavirus Disease 2019 Hospitalizations Attributable to Cardiometabolic Conditions in the United States: A Comparative Risk Assessment Analysis

From the abstract: “Risk of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID‐19) hospitalization is robustly linked to cardiometabolic health. We estimated the absolute and proportional COVID‐19 hospitalizations in US adults attributable to 4 major US cardiometabolic conditions, separately and jointly, and by race/ethnicity, age, and sex.

As of November 18, 2020, an estimated 906 849 COVID‐19 hospitalizations occurred in US adults. Of these, an estimated 20.5% (95% uncertainty interval [UIs], 18.9–22.1) of COVID‐19 hospitalizations were attributable to diabetes mellitus, 30.2% (UI, 28.2–32.3) to total obesity (body mass index ≥30 kg/m2), 26.2% (UI, 24.3–28.3) to hypertension, and 11.7% (UI, 9.5–14.1) to heart failure. Considered jointly, 63.5% (UI, 61.6–65.4) or 575 419 (UI, 559 072–593 412) of COVID‐19 hospitalizations were attributable to these 4 conditions. (my bold)”

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 1:21 pm

Everyone with a positive test for COVID-19 at the time of death or thereabouts is counted as a COVID-19 death, regardless of the acute cause. Decapitated in a motorcycle accident and positive for COVID-19? You’re part of the count.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 2:18 pm

You’re making the common error of conflating with covid and from covid.

David A
Reply to  Rory Forbes
July 9, 2021 2:34 am

The system for reporting cases changed the day Biden stole the Presidency. The Cycles for PCR tests were significantly lowered. And, as I understand it, the vaccinated are no longer tested! ( after some 10,000 infections of the vaccinated)

What would the first wave look like with a much lower cycle PCR test and more reasonable death reporting methodology?

John Dilks
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:13 pm

BS, Nick. Thousands were killed by idiots with their ventilators. Thousands more were killed by chronic diseases and blamed on Covid. Thousands more died from delayed treatments and blamed on Covid. Average age of the dead was over 77. This was an overblown, over-hyped cold or flu type illness that killed far fewer people than it gets credit for.

Observer
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 6:48 pm

No they didn’t. A few died of COVID, a lot died with COVID, a lot died with a false positive COVID test, and many died with COVID symptoms but weren’t actually tested. Given that flu deaths all but disappeared, there’s good reason to believe many of those “Covid” deaths were actually flu.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  huls
July 7, 2021 5:36 am

I have to disagree about the symptoms. The flu is much worse than COVID-19 in most people. But, that could be that the people with really mild cases have a cold and the “test” was a false positive.

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:10 am

Why have they just introduced contact tracing in Tasmania? No covid here. If you come here then there is 2 weeks quarantine, anyway. My over the road neighbour arrived by ferry last week and had to drive with her hazard lights on till she got home for quarantine. No pee stops allowed. 4days after arriving she had to drive to Launceston hospital for a covid test.
WTF is wrong with the government?

Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
July 7, 2021 12:28 am

No covid here”
Ever wondered why?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:47 am

That should be a reason for easing things and not a reason for doubling down.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 2:34 pm

“No covid here”

Ever wondered why?

There is no rational reason. The only explanation is phobic hysteria and government overreach … the improper application of the precautionary principle.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:54 am

However people HAVE been dying after the Jab at a rate of about 15 per week.

Sure, the official word is these are not directly related to the Jab, but tell that to their immediate family.

The Jab is also making people sick at a rate higher than people are failing Covid Tests and the total Jab Sickness numbers are now higher than total ‘Cases’.

These are real health risks, but hey, according to our Experts we may need to destroy the village in order to save it.

icisil
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 7, 2021 4:16 am

In the US more deaths reported to VAERS in 6 months than for all vaccines combined in the past 30 years. One study (CDC I think) found 82% of vaccinated pregnant women miscarried.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:11 am

Stokes — THE expert on absolutely everything.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 7, 2021 11:07 am

A “Legend in His Own Mind.”

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:12 am

We have the same results in TX without the tyranny.

bigoilbob
Reply to  Wayne Townsend
July 7, 2021 8:33 am

Numeration free.

Texas population ~29.0M. Last 7 day average daily new case rate – 1275.

Australia population ~26.7M. Last 7 day average daily new case rate – 39.

Need a pencil?

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+case+rates+in+texas&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS855US855&oq=covid+case+rates+in+texas&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i390l3.8241j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

MAL
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 7, 2021 9:15 am

That was a nice oranges to apple comparison last time I check Texas only has water on one side of it. Texas does not have an isolated population.

bigoilbob
Reply to  MAL
July 7, 2021 9:31 am

Ah, the predictable excuse factory begins. But I’ll bite. Check out the Texas and/or CONUS strong + correlation between non vaccination and ANY recent COVID parameter.

My dog in the fight is the fact that my state, Missouri, is almost the WORST in vaccination rates. Cases are being sent from where they are spawning – the non vaccinated “Winter’s Bone” bootheel – to the cities. Mine included….

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  MAL
July 7, 2021 10:44 am

Indeed, we have quite a bit of migration from Mexico thanks to President Biden. We also have a remarkable number of people escaping left-wing states.

Philo
Reply to  MAL
July 7, 2021 12:43 pm

And who knows how many undocumented new “immigrants”, some of who already had Covid.

TonyG
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:56 am

Alexy: “I refuse to cooperate with a dictatorship.”
Nick: “Australians generally do cooperate”

That’s essentially asking the tyrant “Will you please put your boot here?”

griff
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
July 7, 2021 12:31 am

Well that’s selfish and helps prolong the lockdowns, doesn’t it?

you aren’t magically immune from asymptomatically transmitting this virus, are you?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 12:54 am

Funny thing is that vaccine does not make you incapable of passing on covid asymptomatically. Of course I’m selfish, aren’t you? Lockdowns don’t seem to have helped any.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
July 7, 2021 2:39 pm

Even the CDC have admitted that lock-downs caused more harm than good.

clarence.t
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 2:59 am

People who have taken the vaccines are still being locked-down

Vaccine has made zero different

Stop lying, griff.

Reply to  clarence.t
July 7, 2021 3:06 am

People who have taken the vaccines are still being locked-down”
And this post is complaining about the possibility that that may change.

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:02 am

No, Nick – commenting on how such a change might be implemented. Two different things.

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 3:44 am

Yes you are “magically immune from asymptomatically transmitting this virus”.

No symptoms, no infection. Wholesale asymptomatic virus spreading is a myth.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 2:42 pm

This whole asymptomatic nonsense is the trick they’re using to coerce people do do what they’re told. No evidence is even required.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 10:55 am

It doesn’t prolong lockdowns if you don’t lock down. Looking at the US data there is no proof that lockdowns, masking, etc. made any difference.

http://ssbhalla.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Lockdowns-Closures-vs.-COVID19-Covid-Wins-Nov-4.pdf

For more, see this list: https://thefatemperor.com/published-papers-and-data-on-lockdown-weak-efficacy-and-lockdown-huge-harms/

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 10:57 am

Now, Giff, prove that asymptomatic people are transmitting. This is a air-borne illness. If someone is not coughing or sneezing how is it spread?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Wayne Townsend
July 7, 2021 2:46 pm

The only way this is asymptomatic spread is real is due to some form of ‘gain of function’ some bright light researcher managed to patch into the code. This thing has far to many abnormal characteristics.

Scott Bennett
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 6, 2021 11:34 pm

Well your totalitarian authoritarian mates have been superb at suppression of the public in Victoria and particularly and spectacularly poor at protecting the vulnerable. Tell me the numbers again under chairman Dan’s reign. It is also absurd to say “we” suppressed covid when there has been zero community wide testing of serology to determine how endemic the virus really is and just how far it actually spread.

Right now we’ve had a case-demic based on the abuse of non-diagnostic PCR tests and conflation of co-morbidity, of senescence or of even being ill at all, that obscured the difference between having it, dying of it, or dying with it.

Our “great leaders” will be able to play this “lockdown” game forever, as long as they keep using PCR tests at arbitrary cycle rates and never test for antibodies in the community at large! New Zealand – very conveniently – made serology testing illegal as did SA. Maybe there is hope though, as I notice a load of blood test kits have been approved by the TGA.

Reply to  Scott Bennett
July 7, 2021 12:37 am

Tell me the numbers again under chairman Dan’s reign.”
Numbers here. 24 active cases, just 3 in hospital, none in ICU. No deaths in 2021; no new cases for about a week. That is for a population of about 6.7 million people.

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:42 am

Nick, I expect you to be perverse but you must chuckle to yourself in moments of self reflection; if you ever have them!

The numbers mate are 910 total deaths in Australia. Chairman Dan’s great leadership provided 820 or 90% of the numbers. NSW has about 1.5 million more people and only 54 deaths. It is clear to anybody of sound mind that Victoria demonstrably failed despite all the tyrannical government overreach it dished out in the name of saving lives! How you manage to see it otherwise is remarkable.

Reply to  Scott Wilmot Bennett
July 7, 2021 8:42 am

“Victoria demonstrably failed despite all the tyrannical government overreach”
No. Victoria was the first state to be hit with an outbreak in winter, and they did not initially react as quickly as we now know you should. Consequently, when they did take adequate measures, it took longer to get on top of it, and with more damage (820 deaths in 2020). But get on top of it they did. The last deaths were in October, and there have been none since. States have learnt from that experience, and react faster, with more success. And this winter, vaccination of the elderly is helping.

Contrast that with a US state such as Tennessee, which has about the same population. They never managed elimination (although vaccination is bringing it close) and people have died most days since March 2020. A total of 12,577. 

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 8, 2021 2:51 am

No. Victoria was the first state to be hit with an outbreak in winter, and they did not initially react as quickly as we now know you should. Consequently, when they did take adequate measures, it took longer to get on top of it, and with more damage (820 deaths in 2020). – Nick Stokes

I can barely be bothered to tag team you Nick but what the hell.

As you well know, 75% of cases and 90% of deaths in Australia occurred during Victoria’s unique and spectacular second wave, a direct result of their poorly conceived yet nonetheless tyrannical control measures. ;-(

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Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:59 am

Wow Nick. Way to pretend you don’t know about the deaths in Victoria in 2020.

clarence.t
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 6, 2021 11:40 pm

Please make sure you get your second and then third “jab”, Nick.

Reply to  clarence.t
July 7, 2021 12:16 am

Number two done.

clarence.t
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:25 am

guinea pig !

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:43 am

As much as you are pain, I am glad you were not one of the 15 per week who have died in Australia after the jab or the 33,000 (ie more than total ‘cases’) who got sick.

I’m a prick, but not by THAT amount.

Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 7, 2021 1:42 am

I had no effects at all. A total of two or three out of over a million have died in Victoria from clotting.

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:58 am

That’s clotting the authorities choose to associate with the ‘vaccinations’.

Clotting is not the only issue either.

What are your medium and long term prospects like, now you have had both jabs Nick? Any idea?

Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 8:52 am

I have had many vaccinations in my life, and I see no reason why this one should be special. Prospects are excellent.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:35 am

At age 72 last year I had the WuFlu along with my wife and resident daughter, all without serious symptoms. This year we all got the “2 jabs.” Nick, here, is correct: There is noting unusual nor worrisome about getting this vaccination.

Nick has realized his usual goal here; exciting the fringe thinkers into making idiotic, unsupported statements. Larger life does not give a shit as to anybody’s unsupported speculations. Although if you trust any government you get what you richly deserve.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 12:34 am

Unless you are one of the many thousands that have died as a direct result of the jab.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 8, 2021 2:22 pm

What is it, about 40,000 people are killed in auto accidents annually in the U.S.? Perspective, folks, perspective. Drownings, poisonings, accidents, heatstroke, hypothermia, etc. Estimated worldwide 5 million killed by the ChiCom virus.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 10, 2021 3:37 am

Well, my point exactly. More people die in TRAs than of COVID-19.

icisil
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 4:27 am

Pathogenic priming and antibody dependent enhancement don’t present immediately.

Dave Fair
Reply to  icisil
July 7, 2021 11:37 am

Paranoia, much?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 11:28 am

In the US, you are now more likely to die from the SARS-2 gene treatment (aka “vaccine”) than AIDS or hepatitis.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 8, 2021 2:22 pm

Figures, please.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 8, 2021 5:44 pm

““The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database contains information on unverified reports of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can be submitted electronically at http://www.vaers.hhs.gov.”” “In a recent study of 2017 numbers there were:
** 2,812 accidental fire deaths
** 3,709 accidantal(?) drownings
** 4,968 homicides other than firearms
** 5,611 deaths from Hepatitis
** 5,698 deaths from AIDS
** 6,554 deaths from deliberate poisonings
** 6,946 deaths from accidental suffocations”

Given U.S. WuFlu deaths of about 600,000, eventually we might have a cost/benefit-type analysis. Since I had the old strain ChiCom virus last year (no serious symptoms), the decision to get the two jabs was a tossup. Ever since the flu almost killed me in Alaska, I get the annual flu shot and that advised my eventual decision on getting the shots.

Considering its been about half a year, purported deaths from ChiCom virus vaccinations are running at a rate of about the sum for 2017 poisoning and suffocation deaths combined. Or at a rate of a little more than the sum of 2017 Hepatitis and AIDS deaths combined. Since I don’t stay up at night worrying about any of the causes of 2017 deaths listed above, I didn’t lose any sleep over the jabs.

Anybody that smokes, drinks excessively or drives fast should not be worried about side effects of the jabs. Automobile accidents kill about 40,000 Americans per year and send about 4.4 million to the hospital, many with life altering injuries. Anybody here that avoids the roadways, raise your hand; otherwise STFU.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 8:51 pm

Hippocratic Oath?

David A
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 9, 2021 2:59 am

I understand VAERS estimates only one per cent to ten percent of adverse reactions are reported.

If you had the wuflu then why did you get the jab? There are significant indications that natural immunity is stronger broader and much longer lasting.

Also generalizing those you disagree with as fringe is a leftist move, and not productive.

Everybody is different. In the last 20 years I have had one flu shot. That year I got the flu.

There is now a website of the vaccinated telling their stories, asking people not to get the jab.

We will have a much better view of the jab in 18 months. Yet right now it is not looking so good with limited immunity, toxic systemic spread of spike proteins, increasing cross over cases and hospitalizations.

All of it , 100 percent of the vaccines, and 90 percent of the deaths, were one hundred percent unnecessary if KNOWN antivirals and vitamins had been supplied. There are thousands of doctors supporting HCQ-zinc and or Ivermectin. There are EXACTLY ZERO doctors that have tried this treatment, and then not supported it.

Don Perry
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 5:29 am

“I had no effects at all.”

Yet!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Don Perry
July 8, 2021 6:04 pm

I’m with Nick on this; at 73, the “yet” better come pretty fast.

Derg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 2:48 am

And turn your thermostat lower please

Scott Wilmot Bennett
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:55 am

Prove it show-off.

Comrade, I suspect you are just virtue signalling.

“Show me your papers!”

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:55 am

HOO-RAY! Nick Stokes is now a spike protein factory.

Pin a bright shiny star on his chest.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:15 am

You are an absolute tosser! Sorry Anthony, people like stokes need to be treated with all the disrespect they deserve.

How many people died of COVID-19, this year, in Australia? ZERO and not because of lockdowns. How many died in the 4 months, this year, of the vaccines? 330+.

Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 7, 2021 12:39 am

How many died in the 4 months, this year, of the vaccines? 330+.”
No source quoted, of course. Quite untrue.

gringojay
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:59 am

VAERS data is part of CDC; chart below is current to 25 June 2021.

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gringojay
Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 1:02 am

VAERS graph of fatalities in just the USA broken down by age group; again, only as of late June.

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Dave Fair
Reply to  gringojay
July 8, 2021 5:56 pm

Just like the WuFlu, only old folks need to pay attention. Even then, the absolute worst vaccine mortality rate is only 0.014% (14 chances out of 100,000) for those 75+. These are absolutely minimal numbers, especially for those under 65 years of age. Get a grip, people; stepping out your door is magnitudes greater risk.

Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 1:53 am

Those are US numbers, not Australia. Of them, CDC says:

  • Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 324 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through June 28, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 5,718 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

gringojay
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 2:13 am

Likewise fatality data “… does not necessarily mean that …” Covid19 caused every death. This is because the reporting of death with Covid19 is distinct from death from Covid19; such that death from Covid19 merits ” …review of … death certificates, autopsy and medical records …” in order the have “…established a causal link to Covid19….”

HotScot
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 4:03 am

To qualify as a vaccine death one has to virtually drop dead as it’s being administered.

To qualify as a Covid death, one only has to have had a positive PCR test within 28 days of death for it to be designated a Covid death.

A PCR test with a 97% false positive rate, at least.

icisil
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 4:48 am

Vexxines are the leading cause of coincidence.

https://twitter.com/DrTessaT

Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 9:11 am

A PCR test with a 97% false positive rate, at least.”
Australia has had about 31000 positive tests, and 910 deaths. About 3%. Most of those deaths would have been within about a month of diagnosis. Now even among the elderly, 3% chance of death within the month is a very high figure. Something about being diagnosed with Covid is very bad for your short term prospects.

By contrast, TGA says they have reports of 335 deaths out of 7.3 million vaccinations, of which 2 are believed to be linked. In terms of those 335 reports, that is 0.0046%. TGA says that is actually less than would be expected for random people in those age groups, but anyway, it is obvious that being diagnosed with Covid is much more likely be followed by death than being vaccinated. So it’s pretty unlikely that 97% were false positives.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:44 am

Nick Stokes, are you oblivious to the fact the US VAERS system is based on voluntary reporting, and has been assessed by skilled medical practitioners as only reporting somewhere between 1% and 10% of the actual number of adverse-reaction-to-vaccine events that are occurring?

It appears so.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 8, 2021 5:59 pm

Downvoters here just don’t seem to like facts. I’m going to start a GoFundMe for buying them tinfoil hats.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 8, 2021 6:10 pm

Wow! 18 out of a million people at most. Everyone here that believes correlation equals causation, raise your hand. Everyone else, STFU.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 8:53 pm
David A
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 9, 2021 3:06 am

You have descended from rational to rude stawman generalizations. ( not good)

Dave Fair
Reply to  David A
July 9, 2021 10:07 am

My rudeness stems from reading posts from people harping about vax fears without firm data and exaggerated consequences. People are following CliSciFi practices and don’t seem to realize it.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 1:39 am

Here Stokes, go to TGA.GOV.AU. Prat!

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Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 7, 2021 2:13 am

What they say is
 The TGA has received and reviewed 335 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that two were definitely linked to vaccination.”

“So far, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. 

MarkH
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 2:27 am

Then you can’t compare jab deaths to COVID deaths as the methodology for counting a death as a COVID death is basically the opposite of what they use when looking at jab deaths.

If you use the same methodology on COVID deaths in Australia they would probably be in single digits.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  MarkH
July 7, 2021 3:10 am

There have been *NO* deaths from COVID-19 in Australia this year. None. Stokes is being a prat, again.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 3:09 am

Read *ALL* the reports.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 5:49 am

“So far, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. 

That is absolute gibberish. The death would not be reported if the person died of cancer, and accident, etc. Just more crap pushed by the government.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:42 am

People, why are you downvoting truth? Hatred of Nick is no excuse to deny published facts/interpretations.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 2:32 am

No-one has stated hate for Stokes. However, in this thread he is being a prat and should be called out for it. Free speech and all that. You have the right to be offended.

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Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 8, 2021 11:30 am

Bingo.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 8, 2021 6:13 pm

Free tinfoil hats for the downvoters.

griff
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 7, 2021 9:14 am

No, the didn’t die… because of an extreme quarantine procedure

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
July 8, 2021 1:59 am

History proves you wrong. Of the 910 direct COVID-19 deaths in Australia, 800+ were a direct result of hotel quarantine in Melbourne, Victoria. Prove me wrong!

Hint: I live in the state to the east of Victoria.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 12:57 am

If you think contact tracking is remotely useful you need to get outside and watch people’s attitude to it.

Remember there is no law that requires you to carry your phone at all times.

Remember there is no law that requires your hand writing to be legible at 2m distance.

Rather than a few refuseniks I would put that only about 40% bother.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 7, 2021 5:28 am

I won’t be able to comply at all as I don’t own a smart phone ( adult soother )

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 7, 2021 7:19 am

Same here, have an old-style flip phone.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 7:08 am

We’ve been pretty good at “suppressing” Covid in Texas with no passports (they are illegal to use) and opening (now fully). A lot of that is sunshine (vitamin D) and people being reasonable in their contact. We have a low level of vaccination because of concerns about mass vaccination with a novel process.

I, personally, am horrified that they are vaccinating people under 18 who are only 326 (all with co-morbidities) of the 595,096 of the deaths to date in the US. The myocarditis is a low-percentage risk, but can be crippling and even fatal. Why risk harming otherwise healthy young people. I understand if there is a co-morbidity since at all ages that is the primary indicator of risk. Everyone with a co-morbidity should get vaccinated.

On the other hand I have a heart-valve condition and if I got Myocarditis from a vaccination it could be fatal. I am waiting for the Novovax Vaccine (a good old-fashioned, non-RNA, non-DNA vaccine) so that the spike proteins will not spread throughout my body, especially my heart.

btw, one recently showing that within hours the CO2 level inside the mask rises to 3-7 times the acceptable level as defined by the German version of the CDC. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743?appId=scweb And to think that some idiots even demanded children wear these while running track.

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Reply to  Wayne Townsend
July 7, 2021 9:21 am

“We’ve been pretty good at “suppressing” Covid in Texas”
Texas has about 29M people, Australia about 26M. Texas has had 3 million cases, with 52695 deaths  (24777 in 2021). Australia has had 31,000 cases with 920 deaths, none in 2021.

Wayne Townsend
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 7, 2021 11:01 am

Those stats are total US, not just TX. Also, we have a pretty significant illegal migration through our state ongoing since January. We are down to zero deaths with a wide-open state, no restrictions, no passports, no masks. That is suppressed.

Now we are a multi-racial, multi-cultural state. Some of these cultures have high diabetic and obesity levels, which are high co-morbidities associated with death in Covid.

Reply to  Wayne Townsend
July 7, 2021 11:29 am

Those stats are total US, not just TX”
No, they are stats for Texas
We are down to zero deaths with a wide-open state, no restrictions, no passports, no masks.”
837 people died in TX in June 2021. That is almost as many as Australia’s total since March 2020.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 8, 2021 6:18 pm

If you are downvoting this, please provide your own numbers and tell us where you got them. Otherwise, STFU.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 8:54 pm

Request DENIED.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 9, 2021 10:11 am

Why? No data?

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Dave Fair
July 8, 2021 9:00 pm

There are many reasons individuals might choose to down vote the contributions of Nick Stokes.

But it is informative to see that you feel it appropriate to demand that those who do not comment in a way that you approve should STFU.

The words wannabe totalitarian spring to mind.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Forrest Gardener
July 9, 2021 10:16 am

Forrest, STFU is directed to those who criticize without facts or exaggerate risks.

David A
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 9, 2021 3:35 am

Texas is approximately 678,052 sq km, while Australia is approximately 7,741,220 sq km, making Australia 1,042% larger than Texas.

Australia has…
( natural social distancing and far less interactions, far less travel from other regions, far less travel within its boundaries. Far more isolated communities. Is a large Island, has very little illegal immigration, has disparate testing tracking reporting and death reporting methods,)

Let me know when you have sorted it all out.

Let me know when you will admit that HCQ and Zinc and Ivermectin suppression caused many ( likely in the millions) unnecessary deaths and trillions in economic harm from lockdowns.

Let me know when you find a doctor who used Ivermectin correctly in his practice and does not now support that use. ( any doctor anywhere in the world)

So yes, Australia may have done the right policy for them, yet time will tell.
However it is a completely unnecessary policy due to suppression of effective preventive medications and vitamins, and not a good policy for the ROW.

Scott Bennett
July 6, 2021 10:49 pm

If it isn’t about Bio-Fascism, please tell me how a passport works for an experimental gene therapy that doesn’t provide immunisation – does not produce a sterilising immunity of the virus – and doesn’t stop you getting the disease or of spreading it.

And if you did have one of these experimental concoctions injected into your body, I’m sure you must have been aware that it can only offer you an absolute risk reduction of less than 1% (According to the manufacturers published data).

clarence.t
Reply to  Scott Bennett
July 6, 2021 11:37 pm

Vaccine sounds like such fun.

Worse than the plague !

https://ysb.co.nz/vaccine-anyone-2/

Young people are getting it so as to be “allowed” to go to venues.

The whole thing is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode !

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Matthew Bergin
Reply to  clarence.t
July 7, 2021 6:45 am

I keep thinking of the book Implosion by D F Jones.

Paul C
Reply to  Scott Bennett
July 8, 2021 6:58 am

And if you haven’t been given full information on the experimental treatment, the “scientist” injecting you is in breach of the Nuremberg code as he has not obtained INFORMED consent. Once the trials have been completed, and the trial subjects have been assessed several years after their treatment, the jabs may no longer be experimental, and the risks of the treatment can be properly assessed.
The passport is an example of coercion – another breach of the Nuremberg code.
There are only 10 items in the Nuremberg code, and they appear to be trying to get away with breaking the full set.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Paul C
July 8, 2021 11:32 am

And in the US, all of it violates the HIPPA health privacy laws.

John
July 6, 2021 11:28 pm

I think we all need to heed the words of Benjamin Franklin
We are definitely heading into a the concept of Minority Report movie

when they present a fully safe and tested vaccine (not mRNA- which has been not allowed till now) I will consider getting vaccinated – until then I don’t want to have to deal with zombies from I am Legend

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  John
July 7, 2021 6:46 am

I prefer the zombies from The Omega man.😉😁

clarence.t
July 6, 2021 11:32 pm

Local Woolworths (Australia) has sign in.

Coles doesn’t

I will no longer shop at Woolworths.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  clarence.t
July 7, 2021 1:37 am

Woollies deliver.

griff
Reply to  clarence.t
July 7, 2021 9:15 am

you still have Woolworths?

Long since failed and gone in the UK…

Annie
Reply to  griff
July 8, 2021 7:14 am

It’s a supermarket chain here in Aus. In Victoria it was Safeway until a few years ago. In England it was a large general store; when I was a child it was a treasure trove of all sorts of things and had wonderful old wooden floors. I went off it when it changed.

Earthling2
July 6, 2021 11:32 pm

Was reading somewhere about a hybrid type FASTag/RFID type microdot that can be inserted in the forehead and hold enough information about you equal to an encyclopedia. It uses the heat and openness of the forehead to reflect the passive RFID type tech that requires no input power, but this is enhanced to reflect further and faster with more data including real time basic health info from other sensors for legit medical info, if you have any of that already. My Apple watch does some of this with my iPhone. They had basic chip tech read only like this for my dog 20 years ago already.

Vaccine passport eh? All done robotically from a fair distance and can be tracked anywhere they put readers. It is getting a bit much and when it comes to this, they may as well just come and ‘cancel’ me as I am not signing up for anything like this ‘social credit score’ they will ultimately turn it into. We are a hair away from tyranny. I think a lot of people are wishing President Trump had been more of a likeable fellow, as that was about as good as things got prior to the assault on the world by Red China.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 1:39 am

This was first trialled in a Reading University in the UK. Basic stuff. It is however being trialled in Sweden with more serious effects.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 3:12 am

I agree. However, it will be done. I won’t be here to see it, thankfully.

Steve Taylor
Reply to  Earthling2
July 7, 2021 6:44 am

I woke up to find a small bump under my skin on my forehead. Thanks for the explanation, I wondered what it was.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve Taylor
July 7, 2021 11:49 am

Be happy! Its just cancer.

Vincent Causey
July 6, 2021 11:48 pm

Most people today are complacent. It is all too easy to believe that the battles to win liberty and democratic control have been won by our grand parents generation, without realising that it is not like the final whistle in a soccer game. The battle for control never ends, even when we think it has, and there are plenty of powerful interest groups trying to gain more and more power, just as they always have from the beginning of civilization (Julius Ceaser came to mind).

When Herman Goering was told by an American that this could never happen in America, because “we’re a democracy”, Goering replied “it doesn’t matter what government you have – fascist, communist or democracy – you just need to make people afraid of something to gain control over them.”

gringojay
Reply to  Vincent Causey
July 7, 2021 12:43 am

The doctor is in.

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bigoilbob
Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 8:40 am

An anti vaccer with an actual sense of humor! I guess that sometime, somewhere, we’ll see that funny conservative comedy show on TV after all.

Dave Fair
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 7, 2021 11:50 am

Such ideological positioning clouds one’s thinking, Bob.

gringojay
Reply to  bigoilbob
July 7, 2021 12:08 pm

I got the Moderna mRNA jabz into my arm done in CommieFornia, USA – even wore the useless surgical mask for a time when went out amongst the sheeple. None of which did out of fear of the WuhanVirus, nor of these experimental mRNA confections – seems I needed something to do having got tired of waiting to see a “… funny liberal comedy show on TV ….”

My 92 year old demented in-law residing in a ChiRaq, Illinois group home got tested early on as having the WuhanVirus and lived experiencing no worse symptoms than a common seasonal “bug”. Maybe not being an Amerkkkan land whale contributed to that successful immune outcome; nah, who am I kidding – it was obviously a case White “privilege”.

HotScot
Reply to  Vincent Causey
July 7, 2021 4:10 am

And in many ways, that’s the fault of we boomers. We have been complacent since WW2.

David A
Reply to  Vincent Causey
July 9, 2021 3:45 am

Plato…
“ Such is the nature of the Tyrant, when he first appears, he is a protector.”

Patrick MJD
July 7, 2021 12:11 am

There was a country that used to stitch yellow stars to people. Many people went war and died to stop it. Seems like we haven’t learned.

We are now entering a world of medical apartheid. I can’t use public transport, go to the store or even go to my office without a face nappy on and “registering” with a tracing app.

griff
July 7, 2021 12:28 am

If the govt wants to know where you are in the UK (or have been), it already knows. Cell phones, ANPR numberplate scanners, CCTV + facial recognition, credit card/card transactions. Not to mention date stamped social media or doorbell cameras!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 3:18 am

sth Aus govt just admitted…
theyre only JUST using qr tracking to trace contacts
hmm yet they paid a fortune it didnt work then supposedly fixed months ago
dunno why you dont turn OFF gps co ords and all devices on your phones unless immediate need for such
sure the cell towers still ping you but theyre not very precise

griff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 9:16 am

And I say again: they really don’t need any extra detail.

Not worth worrying about – also a useful public health measure

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 10:01 pm

Griff, take it as read that if you say don’t worry then people have good reason to worry.

Oh for the power you hold in your hands!

MarkH
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 2:39 am

Just because the government already ignores the privacy rights of its citizens is no excuse for further intrusions.

clarence.t
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 3:03 am

Poor griff, just proves that there is no need for any further government monitoring.

Not content with one foot in mouth…

You try to emulate an octopus, with all eight legs in your mouth at once. !

HotScot
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 4:12 am

Agreed griff. We have been far too complacent about surveillance, and the lessons we should have learned are now coming back to bite us.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 6:56 am

I just make it difficult for them. I don’t own a phone, never used social media, have disabled the built in GPS tracker in my car and pay cash for most things. My floppy brimmed Tilley hat takes care of the facial recognition software. 👍😎
It is not that I am paranoid, although it didn’t take much effort, I just like being a pain in the butt.

griff
Reply to  Matthew Bergin
July 7, 2021 9:17 am

Well good for you!

I think you need to put in more effort on the facial recognition though – there will be cameras at an angle which can see under your hat.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  griff
July 7, 2021 9:37 am

It is enough that I make them go to the effort. I don’t need to win, I have nothing to hide.🙋‍♂️😉

David A
Reply to  griff
July 9, 2021 3:52 am

Griff, oh lover of all things government, look up the word “ Democide” and it history, even if only for the past 12 decades.

Steve45
July 7, 2021 12:59 am

This wouldn’t be an issue if republican politicians and sites like this hadn’t spread misinformation about the severity of COVID and the “dangers” of vaccination. Now all of us have to suffer because of twats like you lot. I wonder how many COVID deaths are a direct result of the BS spewed on this poor excuse for a website? But now here we are.

gringojay
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 1:14 am

Spewer extraordinaire.

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gringojay
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 2:00 am

Not so fast with alarmist titled links. The newspaper states Wuhan nurse was distressed at three (3) corpses in the corridor – Chicago city has probably seen that some weekends after “spray and pray” shootings.

My Chinese national neighbor had to be admitted to a USA hospital this year. We subsequently discussed what kinds of differences there were between going to hospitals in China and going to hospital in the USA.

One aspect was how the hospitals treated circumstances – the USA was deemed relatively more interventional and precautionary. Meaning that in the USA corridor corpses would have relatively more priority for retrieval so that 3 wouldn’t be allowed as potential source of risk or cultural unease.

Another thing about link that is alarmist is reference to Wuhan denizens collapsing fatally in the street. We have no context of these assorted Wuhan instances and I have not seen any numbers of similar incidents reported in Europe or America of people “dropping dead like flies” in their tracks from this. Comorbidity is the risk factor in general of precipitous death and we early knew comorbidity featured in WuhanVirus deaths as well.

As a point of reference: I did choose eventually to get the dual experimental mRNA Moderna vaccines. I am 70 and had no adverse reactions other than very transitory mild injection site soreness.

gringojay
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 2:57 am

Might there also have been a factor of the numerical amount of adult Wuhan residents and the total amount of Wuhan hospital surface space? I recall rush construction of care facilities was done in China. As for relevant USA facilities’ space context President Trump rushed hospital ships to certain major coastal cities that ended up significantly under used, even before vaccines ready.

icisil
Reply to  gringojay
July 7, 2021 5:47 am

Hospitals are always overcrowded in China. Everyone wants to see a specialist at a hospital for the mildest things and line up before dawn to try to get a spot to see one. Primary care physicians are marginalized and avoided in China.

Steve45
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 11:00 am

WUWT were early responders in spreading misinformation (and continue to do so it seems), downplaying the severity of the virus, arguing against lockdown measures and promoting the failed Swedish response – it’s all documented here (Coronavirus – Watts Up With That?). Even in the comments you’re crapping on about “mass vaccinations in China against SARS” and BS Vitamin D and Selenium- both with zero evidence of efficacy against COVID. It’s no wonder that the majority of fatalities in the US from COVID are now dumb unvaccinated republicans and libertarians.

PS. “In 2003 China mass immunised people against SARS.” Rubbish- it was a Phase 1 clinical trial of a few hundred people that was discontinued.

Moral of story don’t waste your time listening to idiots with no training in medicine or climate science.

gringojay
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 12:49 pm

It was political partisans “… with no training in medicine …” who were demonstrably acting to increase WuhanVirus.

Democratic blunders by people like the Governor of NewYork State named #metoo Cuomo that set up large incidents of the vulnerable aged dying in group living situations.

When President Trump began moving toward limiting
national territory exposure it was Democratic hacks and their sycophantic media travelers who dissembled about racism. Elected Democrats’, like the SpeakPerson of USA House of Representatives from the great liberal state of California, exhorted for an insurrection of public commingling.

Sweden did have many more deaths from WuhanVirus than Australia. Let’s look to see if one of the reasons for Sweden’s early fatality rate has been, as proposed, the prior year’s low influenza mortality.

According to the premise that prior year low fatality represented a larger than average vulnerable to die elderly population; which this winter was likened to “dry tinder” ready to go. My intention bringing this up is to refer it to the currently successful Australian strategy of constraining WuhanFlu deaths.

Which is to posit the question: Is Australia, by not developing herd exposure to WuhanVirus variants in order to limit deaths from any variants, keeping alive a vulnerable population which next year will be akin to Sweden’s so called ready to go at any time “dry tinder”?

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 11:27 pm

Apart from the often unobserved fact that up to 45% of western adults are obese.

Obesity is a massive risk factor with nasty virii.

Paul C
Reply to  Steve45
July 8, 2021 7:25 am

Vitamin D would appear to have effectively zero risk for significant health benefits.
https://c19vitamind.com/
Ivermectin also has an established good safety profile, while appearing to be as beneficial as the “vaccines” aim to be.
https://c19ivermectin.com/

David A
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 9, 2021 4:07 am

Eric, I thought and felt the same. It is a bit hard to reconcile now with reported deaths per thousand literally two magnitudes plus higher then China in many nations. I can’t help being curious, where are all the collapsing on the street dead in those nations?

At any rate
1. Extensive use of known effective antivirals.
2. Extensive use of certain vitamins and regular sunshine and exercise.
3. Limited isolation of infected and social distancing of the aged with additional health concerns, along with one and two as possible.

…and this whole disaster would have been prevented.

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Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 7, 2021 5:57 am

I think the people who “find it unsettling when people are allowed to publicly express their own views” are called progressive liberals.

clarence.t
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 3:04 am

Suffer in silence, little steve

No-one is listening to your whinging !

HotScot
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 4:21 am

Prove to us all that democrat politicians and other agencies haven’t spread misinformation about the severity of Covid.

You have been conned silly by the PCR test and refuse to recognise it.

Steve45
Reply to  HotScot
July 7, 2021 10:42 am

Congratulations on today’s most stupid comment. The majority of fatalities now in the US are from dumb unvaccinated republicans. It’s Drumpf’s legacy.

cerescokid
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 11:27 am

Provide data to confirm that absurd statement. No one keeps records of voting records on fatalities. What a buffoon.

Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 3:53 pm

You have won the first place, don’t worry 😀

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Steve45
July 8, 2021 11:36 am

Another case of blindness caused by TDS.

griff
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 9:18 am

Exactly!

MAL
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 9:39 am

The people that spread misinformation certainly were not Republican politicians or conservative sites they were the CDC, NIH and the legacy media. All of those groups told you the hydroxychloroquine & ivermectin was going to kill you if you took it and it was ineffective in preventing the spread the world now knows that was a lie, I knew it at the time. I had read the early research on conservative sites one of the was this site. Lastly anyone with a half of a brain know COVID is not a threat to the young. So explain to me why the young need to get a vaccine that little use to them to protect me? Is it not encumbered on me to get the vaccine to protect myself. My heath should be my concern not some young person who is not endangered. Even worse the vaccine may pose a greater risk to the young than the virus itself. Oh by the way several months out my COVID vaccine site is still bugging me, the sharp pain is annoying.

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Dave Fair
Reply to  MAL
July 8, 2021 6:33 pm

If it still smarts, it was the practitioner hitting and damaging a nerve with the needle, not the vaccine.

Forrest Gardener
Reply to  Steve45
July 7, 2021 10:06 pm

Steve45, you make a cogent argument for the implementation of an ignore function on the software used on this site.

David A
Reply to  Steve45
July 9, 2021 3:55 am

Stevie, take some Ivermectin and have a gin and tonic.

That advice, followed, would have made your statist global economic destruction impossible to achieve.