Victoria Announces the End of Affordable Home Heating, Because Climate Change

If they serious, they should die for climate change.

Victoria, where the idiots are taking over the asylum. What happens to the electricity grid, and electricity prices when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow? Duh!!! Of course there are those that believe the sun shines out of the Labor Government’s backside. Australia produces just 1.3% of total world carbon emissions. What a joke this nation has become because of mindless crusades by the extreme left.

According to Valentina Zharkova, an Astrophysicist at Durham University in the UK, in her article “We entered the ‘modern’ Grand Solar Minimum on 8th June 2020”.

The title says it all. The article is very interesting if you Google it. The past winter’s worldwide cold events, not published in the main stream media here in the UK, give good cause to believe that she is correct.

The UK is also heading in the same direction as Victoria. I don’t fancy my children and grand childrens’ lives in the years ahead. She says that the worse years will be 2030 to 2043. If I live to see/experience it I shall be nearly 100 by the time it starts to get warmer again,

“The cold Aussie state of Victoria has announced that in the future, people will have to rely on their…”
“This Victorian State Government announcement …”

There is no such Victorian State Government announcement. A local government (Yarra) has announced an intention in their suburban region, but actually has no authority; they require the support of the Planning Minister. The rest of the report consists of various people speculating about the possibility of such a requirement.


At present the State of Victorian’s Government is run by primitive ‘Climate Change’ lunatics spearheaded by Dan-the-Man Andrews. They are afficianados of all sorts of harmful social and fiscal ideas..
The touted ‘Green’ cost savings are as elusive and mythical as unicorns. Victoria can be colder than Tasmania to the south in winter. There will be much suffering in Victoria until the ‘Climate Change’ lunatics are ousted by wounded electors in an election.

its ONE council area
its NOT settled yet
and seeing as they banned electric water storage units some time back, forcing either gas or the stupid thermal things with massive noisy fans that dont work in our icy cold winters..Id suggest thios is virtue signalling but bound for an epic fail
power prices rising still avg is around 30c kwh
gas is the cheaper option for heating and cooking and water and people have a hard enough time already paying bills.

“…certain luxuries that we are going to have to abandon…”, what a lot of nonsense. These CAGW Greenies want cultural backwardation to give sanity to their virtue signaling. Yesterday the prediction for min temperature last night (Mendoza. Argentina) was 5 deg C, so, due to a unanimous vote (me, wife, two dogs), we turned on the gas-fired heating system, which is hot water through radiators. I’m sitting here this morning and quite comfortable, thank you.

Conversion of the chemical energy in gas to heat for space heating and cooking is pretty darn efficient (>86%). Are these people assuming they can obtain all of their electricity supply from non-thermal sources or are they just ignorant of basic thermodynamics?

It’s cold comfort (sic) to find that we in the chilly UK are not alone.

Where is Wat Tyler when you need him?

“I love cooking on gas too, but there are certain luxuries that we are going to have to abandon if we are serious about climate change,” City of Yarra mayor Gabrielle de Vietri said.

What an ignorant, pompous twit. Notice the royal “we”. Well, “we” are not amused.

Natural gas bans are based on the Global Warming Potential (GWP) numbers found in the IPCC Assessment reports. The current GWP for methane is 86, and the typical story line in the news is, “Methane is 86 times more powerful than CO2 at trapping heat.” What governors, mayors, bureaucrats and associated policy makers never hear or ask about is how much methane will actually run up global temperatures. The answer is essentially nothing.

The 1990 IPCC report page 58 says that the GWP is the forcing from the release of 1 kg of methane relative to 1 kg of carbon dioxide. In the current report, that number is 86.

By 2100 methane will have increased in the atmosphere by about 0.5 ppm (source). Since the comparison is by mass a similar increase in CO2 would be about 0.18 ppm. So the question is: If CO2 increases from 400.00 ppm to 400.18 ppm, how much will that run up global temperature? The obvious answer is essentially nothing, and 86 times nothing is nothing.

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WUWT is a wonderful place for honest criticism. So If there is something fundamentally wrong with the above scenario please let me know what that is.

If every politician, in or running for office, would get their mouths sewn shut and wear rebreathers, that would extensively lower the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere in the blink of an eye.

Oh, but don’t worry: they’ll be heating their home, cooking, and using hot tap water, all heat-sourced with natural gas, because it’s okay for them, but NOT for YOU.

Just a question: Is this idiotic phobia the source of the first “Mad Max” movie, where every civilized thing was disappearing like snow melting in the Sun? Just askin’, because that planet went from green and growing to a barren sandy desert by the time the last film was shot.

Is that what those political mopes are hoping will happen?

“We have a huge opportunity to make a significant impact by moving away from gas.”
Since this is demonstrably, factually wrong in at least three ways, why not vote the weak minded fool, “City of Yarra mayor Gabrielle de Vietri”, out of office? Pretty sure the Ozzies can handle this.
My city council is equally ignorant, and I hope to have them gone soon, too.

Cold showers might be a good thing here to wake people up.

Only Porsche and Tesla can save Australians from their wicked ways now-
Australia electric car sales double, but swamped by numbers of diesel, petrol sales (thedriven.io)

Just when you think these sick awful self loathing humans can’t get any worse they do-
France’s climate legislation involves ‘diabolical creation’ to cut emissions (msn.com)

What an extraordinary decision. As someone who braved shockingly cold Victorian winters for 20 years, this is an inhumane decision. I presume wood stoves have already been banned. But the current flock of sheep in Victoria will be happy.

PS. I’m a sook, compared to winters in the northern hemisphere, winters in Victoria are mild. But not for Australians.

Wood. Chopping wood warms you twice. Also gives a nice odor to the neighborhood. Not only that but the market for wood will reduce forest fires.

I quote :-
“to reduce greenhouse pollution”
game over, we lost,
nothing, but nothing can win against such powerful rhetoric in those last 2 words
“climate change” is dead, witness the new birth
Climate change can be good or bad
Pollution is only bad

(will the last one standing please turn off the lights)

We the citizens of Western Australia promise to increase our CO2 emissions to offset any Victorian saving.

Lily and Gabrielle? Seriously? I would like to think that our species current reasoning problems epitomized by the hysteria over climate is not related to sex, but my opinion is constantly on the wrong side of observation.

“there are certain luxuries that we are going to have to abandon if we are serious about climate change,” clueless econazis thinks other people staying warm is a luxury! I’m sure he’ll be the first to cut off his gas supply… Of course the fatcat politician won’t notice the more expensive electrical bill.

Even if I was an alarmists, this doesn’t make sense – the renewable grid is no where near ready for the load such forced migrations will cause. They are shooting themselves in the foot.

What I want to know is why they ALWAYS start with residential housing construction? Commercial buildings not using natural gas would be so much better for showing the positive use of green heating and cooling.

Give the Greens the opportunity for a restart in the stonage, at least in the middleages.

How many export LNG plants does Australia benefit from? If all Australians take the view of Victoria and its politicians towards gas perhaps the LNG export facilities need to be shuttered because Australia is now exporting its carbon causing energy.

California is doing the same thing. Natural gas is bad because….. oh yeah, because its a fossil fuel, made from dead vegetation and dinosaurs, just like the oceans of methane on Titan.

Pathetic, bordering on insanity, what does the el Presidento, and other ministers, do for heating.
The good news is a wind farm project has been blocked, here in Queensland

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/lnp-minister-keith-pitt-uses-veto-powers-to-deny-kaban-green-energy-hubs-funding-bid/news-story/887b11a92c3286457282df03c0a04fc5

The practice of using an image of belching smoke, in the intro, is deceiving?

From the Australian News website (Murdoch papers)
Climate Council warns of gas dangers in schools and homes.
“Parents have been warned that sending their kids to NSW schools could be harming their health.

And the real danger is much wider, with kids at risk across Aussie homes, according to a new report.

The Climate Council warns the use of gas in homes is exposing Australian children to a higher risk of asthma, as well as driving climate change.”

Blatant coordinated propaganda. I’m sure flued heaters are better but I went to school where gas heaters were unflued and I was an asthmatic. Never had an attack in the class room. Always got it sucking in the pollen outside.

“but there are certain luxuries that we are going to have to abandon” like living.

Fortunately it doesnt get too cold there, it will make hot water much more expensive and they can just wear coats, gloves and hats in the house during the winter.

I never hear of these types of stories out of China, India, Vietnam, or any developing country.

Oz out of their minds too! There really is no where to go to escape this insanity, unless you want to live in India or China.

It’s funny that all these “green savings” are always just a few years in the future, just round the corner.

Victoria has announced taxes and subsidies on EV’s. There is no sense in Victoria.

I am sure burning dried cow and sheep dung to cook and stay warm will help eliminate global warming. (sarc)

As far as I can tell, the people making those decisions are, ultimately, elected officials. So the good citizens of the Victoria are getting what they voted for. Good and hard.

For a long time now, reverse cycle air conditioning (sometimes referred to as heat pumps) has been the cheapest form of heating. I know this site fetishises the burning of fossuil fuels, for some reason, but, the coupling of heat pumps, solar and wind is much cheaper than gas, particularly in Australia, where it (gas) is very expensive (yes I know Oz has plenty of gas- why it’s expensive is a long story)

Gas and renewables for heating are compatible – there exist natural gas powered heatpumps, including absorption heatpubms, adsorbtion heatpumps, gas-motor heatpumps. So ban on gas is also a ban on a type of renewable energy – gas powered heatpumps.