A night out in Alice Springs. Source NT Independent, fair use, low resolution image to identify the subject.

Claim: Climate Change Driving Doctors out of the Aussie Northern Territory

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to The Conversation, its not the spiralling gang violence, theft, rampant drug use and alcoholism which is driving doctors out of the Northern Territory, the real problem is climate change.

Too hot, heading south: how climate change may drive one-third of doctors out of the NT

April 10, 2021 8.47am AEST
Simon QuiltySenior Staff Specialist, Alice Springs Hospital. Honorary, Australian National University
Catherine PendreyVisiting researcher, Australian National University

A sizeable chunk of Northern Territory’s doctors are thinking about leaving the territory because of climate change, our new research shows.

Our study, just published in The Lancet Planetary Health, shows for 34% of doctors in our survey, climate change is already, or is likely to, make them consider leaving the NT.

If they do, this would leave a large gap in the territory’s health-care system, which already suffers from a fast turnover of staff. These doctors would leave behind communities already suffering from the effects of climate change.

Read more: https://theconversation.com/too-hot-heading-south-how-climate-change-may-drive-one-third-of-doctors-out-of-the-nt-156959

From the study;

The Northern Territory is being increasingly exposed to extreme heat, water insecurity, and violent storms.36 In December, 2019, and January, 2020, the temperature in the Northern Territory was almost 4·0°C higher than the long-term average, and in 2019, Katherine, the third largest town in the Northern Territory, recorded 54 days of temperatures above 40°C;6 extreme heat that is associated with considerably increased morbidity and mortality.34 Poorly maintained and overcrowded housing, energy insecurity, lack of air conditioning, and substantial socioeconomic disadvantages aggravate the health risks of the population in these areas, particularly among Indigenous communities with high rates of chronic disease.3

Read more: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(21)00028-0/fulltext

What is going on?

The idea that climate change is a threat to doctors is absurd. Even prefabricated temporary structures have air conditioners.

My guess is a bunch of liberal city educated doctors had a good hearted impulse to travel to Australia’s blistering hot far North to help deprived communities. But when they got there they quickly realised it was too much for them – the ongoing threats to personal safety, aggressive bullying, having to treat a steady stream of drug psychotics and violent alcoholics, ugly overdose deaths, people constantly trying to scam them for pills, witnessing ongoing drug fuelled brutality, incest and rape, the lack of anywhere safe to relax after work, people following them home, all of this overwhelmed their gentle urban liberal sensibilities.

How does a traumatised urban liberal back out of such a disastrous personal choice? If they come clean and say “it was too much for me”, they look weak – their cancel culture “friends”, who have no idea what its really like in some of Australia’s remote communities, could accuse them of being insufficiently committed. But if they are victims of climate change, they wanted to help, but it was our global failure to address the great moral challenge of our time frustrated their good intentions. Instead of looking weak, they can claim to be climate refugees.

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April 12, 2021 10:09 am

It’s grim up north.

Jeroen B.
Reply to  leitmotif
April 12, 2021 1:16 pm

Bill Drummond and Jim Cauty agree.

Reply to  Jeroen B.
April 12, 2021 1:45 pm

Here is something more interesting and entertaining from the MIT

Jeroen B.
Reply to  Vuk
April 12, 2021 10:50 pm
John the Econ
April 12, 2021 10:23 am

“Climate Change” is simultaneously the universal excuse for Progressive failure and the universal excuse for more bad Progressive policy.

Charles Higley
Reply to  John the Econ
April 12, 2021 10:34 am

Climate change is the excuse for everything including the mythical Covid-19, which has never been isolated, cultured, and shown to cause disease.

Oddly, as Earth cools, its skin contracts and volcanic activity increases. Maybe warming a little might not be so bad.

Ron Long
Reply to  Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 11:38 am

Charles Higley, I am not a doctor so I leave your comments about Covid-19 to others. However, I am a geologist, one of my specialties is volcanism, and the suggestion that the “skin” of the cooling earth (I presume the skin is the crust) contracts and increases volcanic activity is not taught as one of the types of volcanism observed at the earths surface. Remember, there is a lot of heat produced by radioactive decay of uranium, thorium, and potassium in the earth and thus the cooling rate is very slow.

B Clarke
Reply to  Ron Long
April 12, 2021 4:18 pm


Is not tectonic movement of the earths crust a reason for seismic and volcanic activity. I’d be interested in your thoughts about the effect of cosmic rays in exciting the plasticity of lava in active fault zones. I’m of the opinion that Cr increase as the sun Cr decrease which tends to happen during solar minimums.

Ron Long
Reply to  B Clarke
April 13, 2021 5:05 am

B Clarke, the tectonic movement of plates is the source of seismic and some volcanic activity. The plates move due to upwelling heat, which includes a composite melt (mantle plus crust). Some volcanism, like Hawaii and Yellowstone, is produced by “hot spots” which are heat discharge plumes form the mantle-core boundary. I have no idea about cosmic rays affecting rock materials, but for sure basalt does not have a tendency to exhibit plastic behaviour.

B Clarke
Reply to  Ron Long
April 13, 2021 6:03 am

Thank you Ron.

Smart Rock
Reply to  Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 11:59 am

I am sick of reading these covid 19 denials from armchair epidemiologists and Monday-morning virologists.

I had the covid and it was (a) unlike anything I’ve had before, (b) the effects got progressively worse after the infection had gone away, (c) the effects went on for months and months, and (d) it was absolutely bloody horrible. My poor wife had the covid and it killed her. Not being able to breathe is a very unpleasant experience.

And we’d both had really bad flu before, and I can assure you that covid is not influenza. Unlike climate change, covid-19 is real and is most definitely not well understood by the medical-scientific community.

If you want to sound off your vacuous ideas about covid-19, please do it somewhere else. It would be nice to keep WUWT focused on science related to climate issues.

PS Even though I had it, I’m not a believer in masks and lockdowns.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 12, 2021 12:22 pm

What treatment for the infection did you receive?

Reply to  Smart Rock
April 12, 2021 1:25 pm

I’m sorry for your suffering and loss. I appreciate your serious message which counters my often flippant remarks.

COVID-19 is probably the most important scientific issue in the world and is impacting everyone to some degree, mostly from government policies to deal with it.

The fact that many people suffer hardly at all from infection while others suffer greatly and even die from it is one of the factors that makes it so difficult to arrive at effective universal policy that makes sense. Some actions are just dumb, however.

And yet here we are. Because of its importance, and the fact that this “science” blog often deals with policy issues, not only around climate, it’s an appropriate topic to be discussed here.

Reply to  Scissor
April 12, 2021 5:55 pm

The world has faced epidemics before, usually without mass hysteria. The problem this time is the media, ably abetted by the politicians.

Reply to  Scissor
April 13, 2021 2:58 am

and with 700k jabs given in aus we now have 2 confirmed AZ vax caused rare blood clot sufferers confirmed so the one in a million just went out the window
1bloke 44? 1 woman under 40
wondering how many senior cits died of it but didnt get noted due to age infirmity etc

B Clarke
Reply to  Smart Rock
April 12, 2021 3:37 pm

There is no reason (apart from political reasons) that you should of suffered ,
Budesonide was known about over a year ago to relive the symptoms of covid,simple,cheap effective and almost instantaneous relief, yet only now after the pandemic subdued has this been made public and offered as a treatment, https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56717486 .

You sir have been made to suffer when there was no need, you along with hundreds of thousands more,and many who died needlessly,, the above drug is by no means the only drug that can help with covid the question is why ,

I understand “Not being able to breathe is a very unpleasant experience. “As a long time suffer of COPD.

Withholding drugs to treat covid symptoms is just the tip of the iceberg in this very sorry state of affairs.

Reply to  B Clarke
April 12, 2021 4:33 pm

Recently published peer-reviewed study in The Lancet:
Inhaled budesonide in the treatment of early COVID-19 (STOIC): a phase 2, open-label, randomised controlled trial


“Early administration of inhaled budesonide reduced the likelihood of needing urgent medical care and reduced time to recovery after early COVID-19.”

B Clarke
Reply to  PaulH
April 12, 2021 5:01 pm

Yes thats were the BBC got their report from, what I find interesting is what they call early symptoms = 7 days i understand symptoms can show within a day to 4 days! 7 days would not be early if that is indeed the case,my attention to Budesonide as a treatment for covid was over a year ago way before the above trial was started , a doctor noticing his asthma patients were not showing any symptoms of covid he started to treat covid patients with inhalers containing Budesonide in his words a miraculous transformation, slightly different conclusion to the Oxford trial.⁶

Reply to  Smart Rock
April 13, 2021 12:44 am

1 million people in the UK are experiencing ‘long covid’ symptoms and 20% of those severely

Reply to  griff
April 13, 2021 8:52 am

One is experiencing long mental illness and lack of ability to check facts.

Nick in Vancouver
Reply to  LdB
April 13, 2021 4:53 pm

An acquaintance, who is an x-ray tech, last week, in Vancouver CTed the kidneys of a healthy, asymptomatic, negative-Covid tested 30 year old. She called the medics when she saw the “ground-glass opacities” in that young mans lower lobes.
You can ignore the long term effects of Covid all you like, you can even pray you don’t get them, but that young man has probably had Covid, his lung fibrosis is almost certainly irreversible.
God help him.

Reply to  Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 12:58 pm

I’m a public health physician who is embarrassed at the way that public health has presented the COVID epidemic. COVID could have been handled much differently nonetheless, SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated, cultured, and shown to cause COVID. Your statement has no bearing in fact. Sorry.

Reply to  StevenF
April 12, 2021 1:34 pm

Steven what in your readings would be a true estimate of the actual percentage of people who actually get a covid infection, and
A) die from it alone ?
B) die from it in combination with other pre-existing condition (ie kidney diseaes, heart disease, alzheimers disease etc ?

At some point we will have to weigh the morbidity, and mortality of covid alone, versus the morbidity and mortality from the effects of the lockdowns. I’m betting the latter will cause magnitudes more of both.

Reply to  sendergreen
April 12, 2021 1:54 pm

A tough question to answer and I don’t think there is any way to really know. The data is so corrupted by the financial and “political” benefits of calling anything possible a COVID death that it is difficult to differentiate from the three different categories (you mentioned two).
a) Die from it alone.
b) Die from it in combination with other pre-existing conditions.
c) Die from something else unrelated to the fact that they had COVID antigens present.

So there is no way to tell but there is a way to infer. If a) and to a lesser extent c) were more likely, then you would expect that the average age of mortality from COVID would be equal across all age ranges (assuming no age related distribution) or perhaps more likely on the youngest individuals (as we see in other respiratory viruses). But we don’t see that. What we see is that the mostly likely to die from COVID are those whose average age is the same as those most likely to die of other causes (have pre-existing conditions). That isn’t proof but is highly suggestive.

If I had to bet, I would not want to bet. But if I had no choice I would bet that less than 10% of cases fall under the Die from COVID alone category.

Reply to  StevenF
April 13, 2021 3:07 am

Dear StevenF

Nice of you to admit that you did not have facts and was simply regurgitating a narrative. As a public health physician you could take the time to do the research and provide some data, that is if you are going to enter a discussion on a science blog.
Please supply the links to this research, the basis for your statement ‘SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated, cultured, and shown to cause COVID’

There are many people here who will be swayed by your evidence.

In my opinion I find the fact you are arguing for the existence of a pandemic when very few deaths or illnesses are recorded in so many countries is a concern. Where is your curiosity? What happened to influenza deaths across the world in week 11 of 2020?

I will give you a clue. What is the PCR machine being asked to test for? What test was done before PCR being declared as the Gold Standard? How many repetitions would you suggest for a positive Sars-Cov2 result?

Reply to  Broadie
April 13, 2021 9:23 am

Not really interested in rehashing the literature. Go here https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-agenda-covid19.html and pull up old Science Briefs from last year. They are full of articles you can read.

Now some of the articles have significant issues and limitations but I think you are not looking for the devil in the details but the overall concept.

As far as the flu, no one knows exactly why it has been so low this year. The flu hits young as well as old and we haven’t seen it in any measurable amount this year. I think that the working hypothesis is that even though masking and social distancing may not be the most effective solution (they have their issues) that it has reduced the spread of influenza, probably by limiting the virus’ spread during the summer months so that the pool was significantly lower going into the Fall.

Your stuff about PCR is out there. I am not even sure I understand the questions. I actually got COVID back in December and when I was tested, I was tested for COVID, Influenza A, and Influenza B in one PCR test. All I had was COVID. That is a common PCR test and demonstrates that the PCR testing for COVID is different than what is used for Influenza. PCR has its limitations and concerns but it is the most effective and efficient test for determining if a virus or bacteria is present. That’s why it is the Gold standard. Before PCR we had to use tests such as lateral flow immunoassays, which are not as effective. And before you come back and say, “what about high cycle counts?”, I agree that PCR can be misused.

Reply to  StevenF
April 13, 2021 5:57 pm

Thanks for your reply StevenF.

In summary of your experience, you felt feel ill and had the Sars-Cov2 virus detected by what you agree is a technique that is widely inaccurate and specific only for the bugs selected.

The CDC you quote have have advised that Covid19 was potentially responsible for only ~%6 of the deaths they had directed be listed in the first level on death certificates in the US. The other deaths averaged 2.6 other co-morbities. The CDC changed its direction on the 20th January this year to state the death required the patient to not only have a positive test for Sars-Cov2 but to also have symptoms to be listed on the death certificate.

And as we are musing in more general terms without any real evidence.

If I was a person whose Mother had taken Thalidomide for Morning sickness now looking up forlornly at a basketball hoop, I know what kind of Doctor I would prefer my Mother to have seen about feeling unwell during her pregnancy. A Doctor that did not follow the script and regurgitate the approved narrative. I would rather a Doctor like Ben Carson who has probably made the most balanced statement on vaccinations in his debate with Donald Trump in the 2016 Primary. The fake news was after Trump as an ‘anti-vaccer’ allowing Dr. Carson to observe that he did not agree with vaccines for every illness. Carson has also proposed what I believe is one of the best solutions for Public Health in that restricted credit for services is offered to citizens to use in their treatments or passed to relatives. The points for preventative treatments much lower to encourage lifestyle changes rather than surgeries. Such a system would avoid the problem we have now of empty understaffed hospitals selling elective surgery to boomers worried about their movement about the tennis court or their golf swing. Free National health is in distress and what is happening in the Socialist Dystopia of the Northern Territory is visiting the system (Elmhurst Covid ward run by a dentist) in general as the increased birthrate for those born in the 1940s and 1950s results in increased mortality in the 2020s and 2030s.

Just remember one thing from history, when the Totalitarians joined by their malpractices in fomenting revolution sense victory they turn on each other. So read widely and care for others, they can take your life, your comforts but not your soul.

Reply to  StevenF
April 14, 2021 4:55 am

Hey StevenF

PCR Test Sit back, relax and understand why you can not argue your missive.

Reply to  StevenF
April 14, 2021 7:24 am

The Ol’ “I am not going to do your research for you” cop-out.

shortie of greenbank
Reply to  StevenF
April 13, 2021 3:38 pm

I am not going to dig up the data but it was reported, at least late last year, in the US that 0.6% of the people that died with Covid positive test were under the age of 75 and no diagnosed comorbidities (doesn’t mean they didn’t have one just prior diagnosis).

Reply to  sendergreen
April 12, 2021 6:12 pm

Statistics can be used in various ways. I believe that in Canada most of the deaths from Covid were seniors. Now since there were almost no deaths from flu, we cannot confirm that all those were actually Covid. It was not broadcast but until the tests were refined, they may have had a positive result whether it was flu or Covid.
In Canada, I think most of the deaths in 2020 were in care homes. In Winnipeg there were 56 deaths in a few months in one home of 200 beds. They were short staffed, but in any case many in care homes received Zero treatment or medication. I still wonder what they actually do in a hospital as Health Canada has only approved 4 drugs for use on Covid. One is a steriod and another is the useless Remdesivir which was a political approval in the USA followed by Canada.
Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin are not on the list.
So it is worse than third world if you catch Covid in Canada. Now they are panicking as the variants are worse. Ivermectin is effective against the variants, but I doubt you will see it. Nobody has enough money to sue for negligence.

Reply to  gord
April 12, 2021 7:39 pm

Define “worse” with respect to the variants. Do you mean more infectious? Then I’d be inclined to agree, this is a typical evolution pattern in organisms of this type. But that is also very typically (not always) concomitant with a reduction in mortality. Meaning variants are making more sick, but it is generally less lethal and results in less hospitalizations.

I’m not sure we’ll ever see real, trustworthy statistics on this disease because it is far, far too political. But it is fascinating that common flu has all but disappeared statistically, as have other leading causes of mortality such as heart attack, stroke, liver disease, etc.

Canada has resoundingly dropped the ball on all counts in this pandemic. I’m afraid I’m rather harsh when I say that Canada’s esteemed sock puppet is about as guilty as Cuomo in New York of killing thousands of people by playing stupid political games for personal gain.

Reply to  gord
April 13, 2021 9:24 am

In Italy, 86% of covid deaths were over age 70

Reply to  StevenF
April 12, 2021 5:52 pm

“SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated, cultured”

No, it hasn’t.

Turn off your TV…

Reply to  Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 1:11 pm

There are a few papers now in which various strains of SARS-CoV-2 have been cultured and isolated to some degree. Here’s an example which also deals with animal testing (mice and monkeys).


Reply to  Scissor
April 13, 2021 3:13 am

Is that your best paper? Please read the paper, the researchers admissions and the comments. Were the control animals asymptomatic as well?

Reply to  John the Econ
April 12, 2021 11:18 am

The CLIMATE Made Me Do It — has replaced The DEVIL Made Me Do it. (per Flip Wilson)

Reply to  LGP
April 12, 2021 1:37 pm

Satan’s followers just do it voluntarily…Joey Biden…Nanci Piglosi…all them demrats…

Reply to  Anti-griff
April 12, 2021 2:08 pm

I read an article many years ago that has almost certainly been disappeared from the internet, because it’s most likely true, that medieval people believed that their equivalent of libtard takeovers was the manifestation of Satan.

…. only cured by the use of gibbets and chopping blocks eventually.

Any historians in the house? Real historians that would be.

Bruce Cobb
April 12, 2021 10:24 am

If “climate change” didn’t exist as an excuse, they’d have to invent it.
Oh wait….

Charles Higley
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
April 12, 2021 10:34 am

Perfectly put.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
April 12, 2021 11:17 am

I’m surprised that George Floyd didn’t die from climate change, that or COVID. I’m not sure defense council going after the truth is the right strategy to get Chauvin off.

Reply to  Scissor
April 12, 2021 1:45 pm

The defence in the Chauvin case seems to be doing quite well. Although, you’d never know that from the main stream news.

Legal Insurrection ( https://legalinsurrection.com/) have been doing some quite good coverage of the trial. Not just the biased sound bites shown in the news.

In fact, it looks to me like the prosecution and media are trying as hard as they can to forment riots in the aftermath of the verdict, whatever it is.

Reply to  MarkH
April 12, 2021 2:14 pm

Imagine the underwear laundry bills the libtards incurred last night when another black man was shot and killed by police in Minnesota. Their wet-dreams-come-true.

As if black lives matter to them.

Like griff and his Arctic ice psychiatry.

Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 10:32 am

It’s called saving face. If the doctors were admitting to leaving because of crime, drugs, and alcohol (because they and their families would have to live in that), they would be labeled cowards and pressured to stay. BUT, if they claim a larger imaginary force, climate change, that is altering their very beings, although unmeasurably, they save face and can leave as it is the rest of the world at fault for their abandoning their people. Yeah, brave.

Half a degree and intelligent people fold. Yeah, . . . Not mentioning that we are cooling, but, hey.

Reply to  Charles Higley
April 12, 2021 3:28 pm

The ‘researchers’ have totally misinterpreted what the doctors said, the ‘climate change’ was in relation to the difference in the contemporary climate of their trendy coffee shops in downtown Melbourne and Sydney to the harsh reality of the tropical climate of the NT.

Jon R
April 12, 2021 10:41 am

Show me the problem I’ll show you the climate change.

H. D. Hoese
April 12, 2021 10:51 am

Their numbers don’t seem to match, as in their title, over half say that climate change either won’t or unlikely to cause them to move? Lancet now has a history of publishing questionable medicine. This one trying to open old wounds with “structural racism.” I wouldn’t have such as a doctor.

Reckoning with histories of medical racism and violence in the USA.  Ayah Nuriddin, Graham Mooney, Alexandre I R White. October 03, 2020. DOI:https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(20)32032-8

H. D. Hoese
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
April 12, 2021 11:53 am

These publishing and editing the Lancet may be giving it away that they are the problem, or somehow with it. First line of first paper “Like many countries, Australia is faced with substantial maldistribution of the health-care workforce and inequity in access to health-care services.”

Last line of second paper. “Only when we onsider racism and racial inequality to be persistent and implicit in our norms of practice and the ordering of society and not the exception, can we effectively begin to confront this issue.” Is this what is going on with so many of our large ‘scientific’ (and other) organizations?

Reply to  H. D. Hoese
April 12, 2021 2:02 pm
Pat Frank
Reply to  H. D. Hoese
April 12, 2021 2:58 pm

Is this what is going on with so many of our large ‘scientific’ (and other) organizations?

Yes. It’s happening at SLAC and at Stanford.

Pat from Kerbob
April 12, 2021 10:52 am

So, what are the recent and long term temps in the north?
Fred250 always has lots of graphs.

The unadjusted temps of course

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 12, 2021 2:15 pm

Busy today… might have a chance to go searching later.

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
April 13, 2021 8:59 am

In the summer it’s between 37-25 degree C …. Which according to the report dropkicks is unbearable compared to 36-24 degree C in the 80’s if you buy the 1 degree warming trash.

April 12, 2021 11:08 am

The Climatechanges is a comic franchise centered on a fictional colony of completely idiot humanoid creatures who live in mushroom-shaped houses in the forest. 

The Climatechange universe :

LanguageA characteristic of the Climatechange language is the frequent use of the undefinable word “climatechange” and its derivatives in a variety of meanings. The Climatechanges frequently replace both nouns and verbs in everyday speech with the word “climatechange “: “We’re going climatechanging on the River Climatechange today.” When used as a verb, the word “Climatechange” typically means “to make”, “to be”, “to like”, or “to do”.

Reply to  Petit_Barde
April 12, 2021 4:47 pm

You mean, like “To climatechange , or not to climatechange”, for example….that sort of thing? …

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April 12, 2021 11:18 am

When did Australia catch the UK variant of the climate positioning disease?

Peta of Newark
April 12, 2021 11:21 am

Symptomatic of the Really Deep Shit we are all in….

Basically ‘Government’, in the broadest sense including scientists, doctors, advisers, has turned its task completely arse-over-tit.
Government is supposed to help people become safe, secure, prosperous and happy.

But now, perfectly exemplified by the Behaviour Insights Team, Governments are now on the warpath against the people.
They are out to scare them shitless with warning after warning after warning, tax after tax after tax, grotesque new limits on freedom etc etc
In the UK, backed up by a gang of legalised thugs and gropers calling themselves ‘police’ – that’s going quite out of control

The People are thus stressed out of their heads and do what people do, actually encouraged by Government.
i.e The Mediterranean Diet
Quote:This diet also includes moderate amounts of red wine — around 1 glass per day”
Ask anyone who has any familiarity (and an honest brain ‘tween their ears) with Alcoholics Anonymous knows that there is…
No Such Thing as “Just One Drink

And doctors inside this pandemic. Itself caused by a shit diet brought on by stress over jobs, taxes, employment, housing costs etc etc ffs!

People thus seek escape in drugs.
Which can only go pear-shaped

The real actual crime that’s going on here is that The Doctors are not flagging it up.
They are looking out for themselves.

Isn’t that directly contrary to what they’re supposed to be doing?

And if doctors are doing it, what hope is the for any other part of The Establishment?

A gorgeous illumination of exactly my rant here and now, came past here the other day with the mention of Sir John Cowperthwaite and Hong Kong

Hong Kong being set up by his good self with minimum regulatory system.
And no Office of Statistics (one worth talking about anyway)

Check out the Covid death rate for there compared, as I did, for the UK.

Until this weekend just gone according to World of Meters…
For every one Covid fatality in Hong Kong, over 70 (seventy) people in the UK died

Government is now literally and actually scaring people to death
Its beyond surreal. Utter utter insanity now reigns supreme

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Reply to  Peta of Newark
April 14, 2021 7:39 am

For those who report in surveys drinking alcohol, the great majority drink less than one drink per day.
A modest portion drink one to two drinks per day.

Very small portions drink beyond one to two per day. Very small.

There is a line of research examining the health effects of regular alcohol use. Such as the occurrence of breast cancer.

They RARELY put the cohort drinking one to two glasses per day in their own group. These moderate drinkers get combined with those drinking more.


The cohort of people drinking beyond two drinks per day is so small they have a hard time getting “stable” estimates of the hazard ratio / risk ratio of whatever outcome (breast cancer, etc.) for that group.

In calculating risks, it is difficult when you have few individuals in the cohort – drinking beyond two drinks per day – and an infrequent health outcome – breast cancer we might assume at one in eight women.

I don’t know why, but the prevailing Public Health announcements are scaring women into fearing the consumption of one to two drinks per day. In all cases, the “Authorities” have, instead of examining the cohort at one-to-two drinks per day versus none, set up successive levels of alcohol consumption, and look at the hazard averaged, statistically, across all of the levels-of-consumption they decide to create in the study. Poorly done at best, and dishonest, actually.

If most adults at incomes up through 150,000 / year own one car, and those a little above this own 2 cars, and those above 500,000 / year own three, and you calculate hte “hazard” of owning more than one car at successive income levels, you will “find” that those at 100,000 to 150,000 / year own more than one car.

The epidemioligical data say: there is such a thing as people who drink one to two drinks per day without being “alcoholics,” without having interference in life and functioning, etc.

At the same time, those drinking one to two drinks per day seem to be protected from a range of bad health outcomes including cardiovascular diseases.

April 12, 2021 11:36 am

Come to Minnesota if you want climate chaos.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
April 12, 2021 1:29 pm

Intense vitamin D deficiency.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
April 12, 2021 7:46 pm


On the outer Barcoo
April 12, 2021 12:12 pm

The presstitutes are still at it.

Climate believer
April 12, 2021 12:25 pm

Good grief, this “online survey” stinks to high heaven.

These doctors seem to know all about what “climate change”™ is going to do to the Northern Territory, but apparently couldn’t be arsed to find out what the actual weather’s like before going there.

I rekon they’re a few stubbies short of a six pack.

Mark Kaiser
April 12, 2021 1:06 pm

Odd that only doctors are affected by climate change temps. Not nurses, garbagemen, factory workers…..

April 12, 2021 1:13 pm

I find it extraordinarily difficult to take anything The Conversation publishes seriously

It’s down there with The Grauniad.

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Reply to  fretslider
April 12, 2021 2:18 pm

Quite possibly still above the Baghdad Bob Corporation though.

Bruce Cobb
April 12, 2021 2:18 pm

Boop! Boop! Climate scoop! This just in!
Pseudoscientific American declares “Climate Change” is over – we now have the “Climate Emergency”! Details at 11. Now back to your regularly-scheduled and much-deserved mocking, ridiculing and bashing of the Climate Cabal.

Chris Hanley
April 12, 2021 2:24 pm

… These doctors would leave behind communities already suffering from the effects of climate change …

Darwin airport shows no obvious T trend over the past (assumed) human-influenced period.
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The long term record shows NT receiving higher rainfall than when the CO2 concentration was ~300 ppm.
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April 12, 2021 2:28 pm

#1 93% of doctors surveyed did not graduate from the Northern Territory (NT)
#2 The NT is considered remote and qualifies for several tax concessions.
#3 The NT government sponsors foreign doctors who have applied for citizenship. Immigration fast tracks application for sponsored doctors who work in remote areas.
#4 Conditions ( isolation, climate and patients) can be harsh but the money is great. LOCUM positions in Alice Springs upto $2100 a day.

NT is perfect for young hardworking or migrant doctors who want to get in and make some money before their children reach school age, when they leave to go to the city. High turnover but no different to engineers in remote area.

Reply to  Waza
April 12, 2021 2:42 pm

I was happy working as a construction engineer in a remote mining camp($$$$) until I missed my son’s first birthday. My wife said enough. I have since worked in city.

Alan M
Reply to  Waza
April 12, 2021 8:47 pm

Waza you beat me to it

April 12, 2021 2:30 pm

Butte has lots of copper

Pat Frank
April 12, 2021 2:51 pm

Tell us what you really think, Eric. 🙂

What does Jennifer Marohasy say about the temperature record In the Northern Territory? Trustworthy?

Michael in Dublin
April 12, 2021 2:55 pm

I laugh at the ignorance of articles like this.

Sixty years ago I was growing up in a semi desert area that resembled the hot and dry parts of Northern Territory. Only the very richest had air conditioners and most of the houses were not built to be cooler but we survived and thrived.

We had a good supply of water and had the best deciduous fruits. We did not need to spray for insects because the large variety of birds did the trick. With modern building technology and insights today there is no reason not to have a cool home in areas like these.

Climate is not the problem but criminals are because we cannot adapt to them.

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Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Michael in Dublin
April 12, 2021 3:25 pm

An interesting comment by Bryan Roberts to this article in The Conversation:
The authors make a big play on their ‘facts’ “Now we have the data”, but the word “believe” appears almost constantly. Doctors who move to tropical climes know (or should know) exactly what they are facing, and a minute change in average temperature is unlikely to influence their decision. Presumably they are well able to air condition both their home and work environments.

A Mike Hansen responded:
You have no facts at all – you are only here to insert this bog standard climate denial nonsense into the discussion.
. . . . .
Instead of denialist drivel, try reading some science from the CSIRO and the BOM.

The original Lancet article not only indicates that only a quarter of doctors were interviewed but also that over a third of these were youngsters – doctors in training – and 55% were women. I am not a gambler but would bet $100 on a survey covering all 1407 professionals would produce very different results.

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
April 12, 2021 6:10 pm

Now it can be told –

Pat from Kerbob
April 12, 2021 3:03 pm

I would hazard a guess that these doctors are starting negotiation on a new pay deal. If the entire world is screaming about climate change, why wouldn’t an ordinary person expect them to get their fair share.
After all, there is free money everywhere?
Here in canada we just increased the deficit by 20x, and the talk is the new budget will add another $100 billion on top of that.

Its all so far from reality that it just destroys the soul, which is possibly the point

Chris Hanley
April 12, 2021 3:32 pm

The temperature decile map included in The Conversation piece is pure fantasy, at least as far as the NT is concerned, still one of the most sparsely populated areas in the world over twice the area as France.
GISS manages to get a rising trend from Daley Waters, one of the longest records in NT, by adjusting up the post-2000 raw temperatures (hover cursor over ‘unadjusted’).

Chris Hanley
April 12, 2021 3:40 pm

The temperature decile map included in The Conversation piece is pure fantasy, at least as far as the NT is concerned, still one of the most sparsely populated areas in the world over twice the area as France.
GISS manages to get a rising trend from Daly Waters, one of the longest records in NT, by adjusting up the post-2000 raw temperatures (hover cursor over ‘unadjusted’).

To bed B
April 12, 2021 4:31 pm

“For the NT, December became the first month with the monthly mean maximum temperature more than 4.0 °C above the long-term average, since records commenced in 1910
The highest temperature recorded in the Territory in 2019 was 47.9 °C, at Rabbit Flat on 25 December. This was the third-highest temperature ever recorded in the NT
Tindal RAAF base, near Katherine, had 54 days of 40 °C or above in 2019, easily exceeding the previous record of 20 set in 2013. Tindal had never observed more than 10 consecutive days of 40 °C before 2019, but had a consecutive run of 16 such days in November and 15 in December. Tindal also exceeded its previous highest temperature of 42.5 °C, recorded in 2006, a total of six times in 2019, peaking with a maximum temperature of 43.1 °C on 6 December”


Looking at the record, it seems to be very poor records of short periods are used to create a scarier scenario.

Tindal airbase has been open since 1969, but missing data prior to 1985. 5% of the hottest monthly means are all post 2012 or pre 1993, with 1991 data missing. Clearly, changes to the site rather than global warming have lead to heat records.

The Katherine Aviation Museum site was opened in 1942, but little data before 1989 and nothing post 2011. It does have a mean for Nov and December of 1946 of 39.7 and 39.8°C. Only a little under 40.4 and 40.8 in 2019 at the modern tarmac runway airport using instruments that would read more then a degree higher than the old equipment on a hot day.

There were 26 days of over 38.9°C maximum in 1946. Easily eclipsing the 16 over 40 in 2019 which makes you wonder if the later is really unprecedented or it’s that the modern equipment will respond quicker to short bursts of heat. 23 days were actually over 40 in the two months (no data for the first half of 1946.)

Even if it you reject that the record was purely due to comparing data obtained using different equipment (The two sites are very similar 1993-2011). Hot weather of around 40 is not unusual. Counting the number of days over an arbitrary value like 40 can make it look like there are more heat waves rather than its a tad hotter. But that seem to make a difference in comparison of data between 1993 and 2011.

To bed B
April 12, 2021 4:44 pm

You need to wonder why the 4°C above average is due to climate change of a degree warmer globe. Everywhere that has unusual hot weather is warming 2 to 3 times more than the global average but nowhere is cooling twice as much. Not Texas, not France when there is another beast from the east, nor Victoria Australia whose alpine areas have a good covering of snow 2 months ahead of the ski season.

Yet it all makes sense because of an energy imbalance of less than a third of a percent, which is due to an extra 3% of CO2 Gaia can’t cope with.

April 12, 2021 6:07 pm

NT, Darwin specifically is the hottest place I have had to live in decades ago due to my husband’s job. Even though my own work building was airconditioned, the blast of hellish air that greeted me at the end of a long work day, was enough to send me reeling backwards. The struggle just to cross the street through the dense humidity felt a bit like swimming, I kid you not. Then there were the days ‘in the Wet’ when my run across the street to my car occurred in such heavy downpours that no umbrella could keep me from being drenched, especially my lovely Italian leather shoes! I soon swapped them for more practical ones…sigh! In our rented flat on our arrival we had been bemused to find small heaters in cupboards, gave me a giggle, coming from elsewhere. However it didn’t take long to realise their use as I saw my shoes covered with mildew! On a particularly hot day we decided to head to the beach. Quelle surprise. I had never encountered a beach before where you could actually see wisps of steam coming from the sand. I felt the land I could see in the distance must be Indonesia, no other excuse for Darwin being so darned hot! 🙂 The Darwinites said that it takes a few years to become used to the climate but we gave up and left after only two.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Maggie
April 12, 2021 8:26 pm

Wet heat.

Dry heat I am fine with. Spent two summers working and living out of Roxby Downs (central SA) when I worked in mining. Winters were sodding cold with sub zero nights being common. Summers were hot, but dry hot. Got to the stage if the weather forecast was 39C for the next day you wouldn’t even blink. Hit 40 and you showed a little concern, but basically you dark water constantly to protect your hydration levels and used shade whenever you could. It does take a bit of getting used to as the heat wants to dry your eyes so your eyes tend to sting a bit.

It was actually more comfortable to avoid aircons as much as you could as coming from 40C outside into a crib room with the air con set to 18 (and then been closed up and allowed to cool since morning smoko) was very uncomfortable.

But yeah, dry heat.

Get to about 25C with high humidity and I am throwing my toys out the cot and complaining like a two year old.

Reply to  Maggie
April 12, 2021 8:33 pm

In decades ago!
Thank you for your experience in NT

Reply to  Maggie
April 13, 2021 1:30 am

Yep, ‘stinking hot’ just about sums it up. I worked as a mud logger on a well ‘near’ Derby WA in the summer of 1982/3. 46C in the shade on bad days when it rained a bit and the sun shone.
The aircon in the logging trailer could get the temperature down to 30C, which was quite pleasant in comparison.
The locals were a tough lot. I worked another job that was a long way into the great Sandy Desert. The truckies who drove in with the heavy equipment called it a ‘three crate trip’. That was the number of crates of beer they would drink on the trip from the main road to the rig site, grinding along the desert tracks ioften at little more than walking pace. Not a place for snowflakes.

April 12, 2021 7:59 pm

Aaah , but of course its ‘ climate change ‘ that’s making the locals more violent .
Especially if the clinic/medical centre is nearby to a pub/hotel .

Craig from Oz
April 12, 2021 8:46 pm

The big problem in Australia is that we have the urban areas where about 90% of population lives, country and then rural. About 2% (guess) live rural.

In the city everything is about ‘First Nations’ and ‘Traditional Elders’ and ‘Reconciliation’. Companies fall over themselves to ensure their happy little employees do their Cultural Awareness training, that their formal emails have a ‘Acknowledges the Traditional Owners’ footer and that every single cultural event/week/day is recognised by having corporate IT change the walkpaper on our screensavers.

That is the urban areas.

We mention the Traditional Owners (aka the first wave settlers who were later displaced and effectively exterminated by the more aggressive second wave roughly 20,000 years ago… oppps… do I have that wrong?) at the start of any public speech and buy the official sporting merch issued by the mega sports corps during Indigenous Round and smile at each other about how progressive we all are, unlike those nasty Right Wing people the ABC keeps warning us about.

In the Rural Areas they get to watch drunken ‘First Nation’ representatives fight each other in the streets in a cycle of drug and alcohol filled black on black physical and sexual violence that doesn’t respect either age or gender. Got a problem? Punch it in the face till it goes away.

Everyone knows it happens.

Everyone is too scared of being branded a racist do speak out about it and, since apart from casual theft very little of it affects non-indigenous people directly, it is easier to just ignore it. Got to respect their culture after all.

It is an utter disgrace that so many members of our media and ruling class want to pretend that non of this ever happens and if it does it is clearly Captain Cook’s fault.

Australia has a sick underbelly and if the political and activist class don’t accept it then the rest of Australia is going to just stand back in disgust and watch the shame continue to the logical and terminal conclusion.

Carbon Neutral has sod all to do with any of it.

April 12, 2021 9:10 pm

The year 1974 ended in Darwin NT with Cyclone Tracy that destroyed many areas of that city and suburbs. I spent a lot of time in the NT that year servicing construction equipment at a bridge site now inside Kakadu National Park, the road was at that time under construction and a narrow gravel road was used for through traffic mostly consisting of construction related vehicles.

To claim that climate change has caused a change in weather conditions is nonsense, all who know the NT are aware of the Wet Season and resulting “going tropo” (tropical), a condition resulting from heat, high humidity and excessive intake of alcohol.

I travelled out to the construction site from Darwin on one visit in a petrol engine single rear axle Toyota prime mover pulling a well loaded tri-axle trailer heavily loaded. The driver after a while suggested that we move out onto the running boards, cabin doors tied open to the bullbar, to avoid the engine heat on an already very hot evening. The prime mover that was normally used was written off following a collision with a feral Buffalo Bull that stepped out in front of it.

Of course in modern Darwin doctors work in air conditioned premises, the climate hoax tale is ridiculous.

Philip in New Zealand
April 12, 2021 9:15 pm

From NASA adjusted station data for Darwin Airport, Jan 2020 29.40, Jan 2016 29.50, Jan 2002 29.49, coldest January ever 1905 at 26.34.
December 2019 30.75, coldest December 26.27 in 1934.Only 5 years in 120 4 degrees or colder than 2019.
Oh and don’t forget Darwin Airport is both civilian and military airport so has just a wee bit of that nonexistent UHI

Reply to  Philip in New Zealand
April 13, 2021 12:30 am

Darwin temperature is one of the most fudged in the world.
Airport 1905 ?????

Reply to  Philip in New Zealand
April 14, 2021 9:53 pm

In the 1950’s my Dad drove to Heathrow airport London to meet his brother. The airport was little more than a row of “Nissan huts” in a field. He arrived the night before, and pitched a tent on grass opposite the airport’s main entrance. He parked his car beside the road near the entrance.

70 years later Heathrow airport is a concrete and tarmac monstrosity the size of a large town. Temperature measurements at the airport no doubt show OMG warming.

Patrick MJD
April 12, 2021 9:53 pm

Climate change? What else would it be?

April 12, 2021 11:13 pm

From the study (ref 3)

Overall, 362 doctors (25·7% of 1407 registered) took the survey.”
”85% of respondents reported that climate change is already causing, or likely to cause, negative effects on the health of their patients, and nearly three-quarters (74%) responded that climate change is already causing, or likely to cause, parts of the Northern Territory to become uninhabitable.”

That’s science brother!

April 13, 2021 12:42 am

But this is quite true:

The Northern Territory is being increasingly exposed to extreme heat, water insecurity, and violent storms.’

And I don’t notice any urban conservatives even making the attempt to go and help out…

Reply to  griff
April 13, 2021 2:41 am

WT* are you yabbering about this time, child-twerp. !

And no, it is NOT being increasingly exposed to any “weather” impacts.

Why ALWAYS with the LIES, griff…

…. is base-level DISHONESTY your whole existence?

Reply to  griff
April 13, 2021 2:46 am

Oh and, any conservative that does try to help and point out the problems gets howled down by leftist justice warriors, as being racist.. eg Tony Abbott.


People just like you, griff….. with your HATRED of any real assistance being given to any country with a darker skinned population.

DENIAL of solid reliable electriciy to third world countries, on the basis of a FAKE climate agenda, being a prime example..

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Climate believer
Reply to  griff
April 13, 2021 2:47 am

Correction: “And I don’t notice any…..thing.”

Reply to  griff
April 13, 2021 3:37 am

Keep screeching out your lies, it is all you have.

April 13, 2021 8:42 am

A sizeable chunk of Northern Territory’s doctors are thinking about leaving the territory because of climate change, our new research shows.”

That’s interesting, one of my brothers in law lives up there and likes it. But he’s a robust sort and not worried about a bit of local weather inspired argey-bargey. He’s used to tropical cyclones and typhoons. If his doctor was thinking of heading south, I’m sure he would have mentioned it in our last family conference call.

On that topic; sister in law reported a brief shower of snow near Darwin, Northern Territory, of all places on the weekend of the 11th April. Make of that what you will.

April 13, 2021 5:52 pm

Over 100 years of temperature data are available at both Darwin and Alice Springs. Both stations changed locations in the 1940s but is was possible to amalgamate the records.

My analysis showed that the temperature trends have been essentially constant over the past century. The greatest trend increase was for January (summer) temperatures at Alice Springs (+2.7 degC/century), while the greatest temperature DECREASE was for extreme winter minimum temperatures at Alice Springs (-1.1 degC/century).

April 13, 2021 6:42 pm

This would have rattled a few of them-
Gayle Woodford inquest hears man who raped, murdered outback nurse had been released on parole – ABC News

And note the irony for US citizens facing liberal progressive chants to defund the police-

‘The coroner heard a small police office would be built this year, but there would not be permanent police officers present and offenders that need to be detained would be taken to another station.
This comes after former traditional community officer Carl Roberts told the coroner last week that a permanent police presence would improve safety conditions for women and children.
Since 2013, South Australian Police has been able to employ up to 10 traditional community constables.
However, due to the challenges of recruiting local community members, there are only four currently employed.
“We have over many years tried many different strategies to fill those positions … we work very closely with the elders to try and identify individuals who would work with as a traditional community constable,” Chief Superintendent Miller said.’

April 14, 2021 12:33 pm

Australia is moving north at about 7cm per year. That’s where the warming is coming from.

April 14, 2021 9:38 pm

This study of soil carbon in north Australia over the last 30 years is a rare example of a climate study in which the authors allow experimental results to disprove their starting hypothesis.

There’s a lot of carbon in soil. Desperate to find ways that CO2 increase can have disastrous effects amplified in any way possible, scientists have proposed that increasing CO2 will – strangely – cause soil carbon content to decrease, leading to another one of their much loved positive feedbacks, in which soil holds less carbon and atmospheric CO2 is elevated still further, “wuss than we thought”.

These authors studied undisturbed soil in Queensland for 30 years, same method, same guy. Their starting expectation was that soil organic carbon (SOC) would decline over this time. But results showed the direct opposite. SOC increased. Rising CO2 was benefiting soil in every way.

To their credit, the authors accepted without equivocation that their starting hypothesis was “rejected” by the study’s findings. Carbon dynamics in soil under rising CO2 were better than they thought. Something you don’t hear often. Honest climate science is still alive, here and there.


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