Climate Crusader Greta Thunberg's Halo - source Twitter

Michael Mann Upset WUWT Picked on Greta Thunberg

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Tom Nelson, Dr. Willie Soon; Despite leaking the secret plans of her revolutionary comrades in India, or triggering a cascade of international airline flights with her frantic personal efforts to avoid flying, Greta really cares about CO2. After all, she can see CO2 molecules.

From Michael Mann’s latest book;

… In spite of her extraordinary actions to reduce her carbon footprint, even Greta Thunberg has become a favourite target of these types of attacks. Inactivists have been doing their best to dismiss her and her fellow youth climate activists as hypocrites. After Thunberg famously crossed the Atlantic in a boat to participate in events surrounding the September 2019 UN Climate Change Summit in New York City, Anthony Watts posted an article on his website pouncing on her for, among other things, traveling in a boat that was made partly of “non-recyclable plastic” –really!74

Source: The New Climate War, by Michael Mann

The “74” references the following in Mann’s book:

74. Eric Worrall, Doh! Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg’s Plastic Boat Trip Will Require Four Transatlantic Flights, Watts Up With That, August 18, 2019, https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/18/doh-climate-messiah-greta-thunbergs-plastic-boat-trip-will-result-in-two-airline-flights.

Michael Mann, I get that standing back and watching Greta on the world stage has the simple charm of watching a young kitten stumble around knocking everything over. But its not really fair to attack us for pointing out that Greta should have followed your example, and reduced her transatlantic carbon footprint by purchasing an airline ticket.

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February 16, 2021 10:21 am

You decide. Is Angry Greta telling the truth? Why is our population rapidly growing in the middle of her “mass extinction”? … https://newtube.app/user/RAOB/I97sm2D

Vuk
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 16, 2021 12:26 pm

MM is defending Greta, since he’s finally found someone who is more stupid than himself.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 16, 2021 7:49 pm

Why did Greta never travel to PR China, the world’s no.1 CO2 emitter, apart from lots of other emissions and wildlife wipe outs?
The Trans-Siberian railroad is ready and able since decades.

Biggest scam.

Steve in Greensboro
Reply to  John Shewchuk
February 17, 2021 8:38 am

Give it time. I’m sure once the after-effects of the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine are fully realized, we will back on her “mass extinction” timeline.

Peta of Newark
February 16, 2021 10:27 am

You total muppet.
Any attacks at Greta were aimed at her handlers, not least including her own parents for allowing her to be so used and abused.

For Chrissakes, how dense is it possible to be

MarkW
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 16, 2021 1:00 pm

It’s an open question as to whether Mann, griff, Simon or Loydo has the greatest gravitational pull.

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Editor
Reply to  MarkW
February 16, 2021 1:12 pm

Thanks, MarkW. That made me laugh.

Regards,
Bob

Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 16, 2021 4:25 pm

I would like to ask Greta a few questions regarding the science of climate change:.

  1. What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?
  2. Based on observations, are hurricanes and typhoons worse than they used to be?
  3. Are Wild fires worse than they were from 1926 to around 1950?
  4. Has the rate of sea level rise increased and accelerated in the last 150 years?
  5. Are droughts getting worse since 1900?
  6. Are floods and precipitation getting worse since 1900?
  7. Are heat waves worse than they were in 1936?
  8. You get the Idea – there are probably better questions to ask Gretta!
  • JPP
DMacKenzie
Reply to  JON P PETERSON
February 16, 2021 6:34 pm

Greta is like the guy dressed as a bear at the sidelines at a football game…
…Probably the team mascot doesn’t have a good grasp on league business nor player stats, but the crowd admires the inspiration.

Gerry, England
Reply to  JON P PETERSON
February 17, 2021 10:59 am

She would have to get her puppetmaster to answer as we have seen she is hopeless once it is not written down for her.

ATheoK
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 16, 2021 7:54 pm

Muppet…

I like it!
There should be a manniacal muppet!
One with detachable arms, legs and head for anger control.

John Tillman
February 16, 2021 10:29 am

Of course Mann failed to mention the fact that Greta’s sea journey stunt resulted in more air travel than if just she and her dad had traveled by plane.

Dale S
Reply to  John Tillman
February 16, 2021 12:57 pm

He also failed to mention that Greta actually *wasn’t* criticized for using “non-recyclable plastic.” The essay merely substituted “carbon fibre and non-recyclable plastic boat” for the Mail’s ‘zero-carbon yacht’ and didn’t comment further on the composition of the boat. Since the link and headline merely said “plastic boat”, Mann’s quotation showed that he read at least one sentence of the article, but since even *that sentence* focused on the flight and not the boat, it shows his wilful dishonesty.

Not surprising, given his history.

John F Hultquist
February 16, 2021 10:30 am

It is 10:30 AM here in the Great State of Washington (the left coast one), our temperature is all the way up to just below freezing, lots of snow, and a good amount of Sun. Beautiful.
Snoqualmie Pass was closed after 36 inches of new snow; reopening time is not known.
I think the “Gore Effect” has engulfed the Country. Has he been seen?

Who is Michael Mann?

Mr.
Reply to  John F Hultquist
February 16, 2021 10:47 am

How could anyone miss seeing Fat Albert?
( although it must be acknowledged that Al makes any room dimmer when he enters. Even for blind people.)

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Mr.
February 16, 2021 6:11 pm

Hey, hey, hey !

Dr Bill Cosby wrote his UMassAmherst doctoral dissertation on

“An Integration Of The Visual Media Via ‘Fat Albert And The Cosby Kids’ Into The Elementary School Curriculum As A Teaching Aid And Vehicle To Achieve Increased Learning.”

Like Dr Jill Biden, however, he can’t write prescriptions for his fellow inmates.

John V. Wright
Reply to  John F Hultquist
February 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Lovely to see Snoqualmie Pass mentioned by someone who lives there. First encountered it in ‘Sather’, a wonderful poem by Gary Snyder from his ‘The Back Country’ collection. I guess John you must know Queets Basin also – it is referenced by Snyder in the last four lines of that poem with, appropriately, a mention that it was several feet under snow. Four great lines to end that poem. ‘Sather’ always brings a tear to my eye when I read it.

Reply to  John V. Wright
February 18, 2021 1:19 pm

Weather varies, Snoqualmie is only 2500 feet ASL so may not have snow on the highway, will be a snow pack well up the mountain.

Varies depending on how winds split around the Olympic Mountains, I’ve seen 3500 foot Stevens Pass warmer than Snoqualmie.

(XC skiers watch temps like a hawk, as those facilities are are highway level.)

Ron Long
February 16, 2021 10:30 am

Who would buy a book by Mikey Mann? Why doesn’t Mikey help steer the Doom Pixie into an adjustment for her Aspergers condition? What do you call an adult that takes advantage of her in her condition?

Editor
Reply to  Ron Long
February 16, 2021 1:20 pm

Ron, you began with, “Who would buy a book by Mikey Mann?”

That was my first thought when I read Eric’s post. It’s like willingly listening to fingernails on a blackboard for hours.

Regards,
Bob

ATheoK
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 16, 2021 8:02 pm

Tom took one for all skeptics and most alarmists.

Others who buy Mann’s books are late to the airport travelers who discover the only remaining book in the airport store are a pile of dusty mike mann books, that aren’t even dog eared.

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Rod Evans
Reply to  Ron Long
February 17, 2021 1:10 am

Ron , you ask who will buy the book from Micky Mann? Sadly I can answer that one, and you won’t like the answer.
You will buy one, and so will I me and every other tax payer in the west will buy one.
Why?
Because it will become a required reading, a part of the woke academic study into Climate Change. The schools and UNIs will be buying them in bulk to make such wisdom available for the alarmist indoctrination classes, now common across the teaching professions in the West.

ThinkingScientist
Reply to  Ron Long
February 17, 2021 5:12 am

I waited and got my copy of “An Inconvenient Truth” secondhand from a Charity shop.

That way Al Gore got no financial benefit from me and a charity got some money for a good cause.

Pat from Kerbob
February 16, 2021 10:31 am

Greta, like Griff, Loydo and others like them simply suffer from a physiological defect where the optical nerve crosses with the rectal nerve, causing a shitty outlook on life.

Optical rectalitis is the proper medical term

Mike McMillan
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 16, 2021 6:16 pm

That’s a nice picture of Greta and some sun dogs atop the page. Greta is the one in the middle. The sun dogs are the bright ones.

Reply to  Mike McMillan
February 17, 2021 1:20 am

I…I can see…I can see auras….I see Gretha’s aura… I see an ominous dark aura around Gretha…
Or is that a pile of sun dog doody?

Streetcred
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 16, 2021 9:50 pm

I recommend that both should have that delicate procedure called the “Optirectomy” … it severs the fused optirectal nerves and cleans up the shitty world outlook of the sufferer.

PeteC
February 16, 2021 10:37 am

“Inactivists”

Is he teaching middle school now, where name calling is normal? Or did Uni lower its standards even more, to grade school thinking?

Editor
Reply to  PeteC
February 16, 2021 2:47 pm

Hey, I rather like ‘inactivist’. It’s much nicer than ‘denier’. It also has the advantage that they spell it the same way on both sides of the Atlantic, unlike ‘sceptic’/’skeptic’. Those aren’t big enough advantages, though, for it to be preferred. MM must like it for some other reason?

Richard Page
Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 16, 2021 4:23 pm

One might be inclined to hope that he has seen the writing on the wall and is backpedaling either to avoid getting sued by insulting people or to avoid getting sued for possible fraud and/or criminal deception. Probably not though!
Perhaps he’s found a new favourite word.

ATheoK
Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 16, 2021 8:12 pm

MM must like it for some other reason?”

An odd Freudian slip of manniacal’s.

Why he would call people who prevent history erasing doomists like Mann from destroying science?

In a way, Mann is stating that people who are not doers have stopped mann’s wood chip mulch career ending mann’s belief that mann deserves luxury global high paying conferences.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 17, 2021 1:26 am

I feel insulted. How hard do we all, especially the crowd here of WUWT, not slave away at our keybords, actively ridiculing the ‘activists’? Mann is denying all the good work of all you good webizens, extradite him! (to somewhere warm, maybe). This fool is negating all my hard work on Sunday; had to burn about a kilo of wood to get the barbie going (brother-in-law bought crappy compressed coal briquettes, instead of honest-to-goodness charred tree carbon sink stumps). I sure ain’t ‘inactive’ in the carbon cycle, dufus!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mike Jonas
February 17, 2021 5:15 am

hmm thinkin on it i reckon inactivist appeals to MM cos to him at least it might imply that those labelled as such…
dont care/do anything about the co2 save the planet schtick
ie were too lazy to care
unlike the activist full onprotesters wannabe famouses etc
dunno
just a thought

MarkW
Reply to  PeteC
February 17, 2021 9:50 am

If an activist is someone who wants to make others do something, then wouldn’t an “inactivist” be someone who is not in favor of forcing others to do something.

I have no problem with that. Though I do laugh at Mickey, who seems to feel that “inactivist” is an insult.

ResourceGuy
February 16, 2021 10:37 am

Maybe a climate psychologist can explain the behavior of Mike Mann alternating between bullying attacks and faints and seeking awards and commendations for himself.

Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 16, 2021 4:44 pm

‘Feints’ perhaps, Resourceful Guy?

Robert Sheaffer
February 16, 2021 10:37 am

Mann is still peddling the same old Conspiracy Theories:
“Michael Mann will expose the thirty-year campaign by fossil fuel companies to deflect blame and responsibility and delay action on climate change”
https://us02web.zoom.us/…/reg…/WN_DwG5WxFGQgSBcZVtnp1luw

Giordano Milton
February 16, 2021 10:40 am

The fault for any negative press on Greta falls on those who abuse children like her for their own agendas.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Giordano Milton
February 16, 2021 4:00 pm

She’s over 18. She is no longer a child and can be taken to task for what she says. There are many people in the world with issues. It’s no excuse for her.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 16, 2021 10:40 am

Comparing Greta to a rambunctious kitten is an insult to all cats and kittens everywhere!

MarkW
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 16, 2021 1:02 pm

Kittens are cute. Greta, not so much.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 17, 2021 5:19 am

feral suits her

MarkW
Reply to  Eric Worrall
February 17, 2021 9:53 am

“I thought a thaw a puddy tat.”

Tweety

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Notanacademic
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 16, 2021 3:23 pm

Even Grumpy cat didn’t look as angry as Scoldilocks the doom pixie.

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ATheoK
Reply to  Notanacademic
February 16, 2021 8:19 pm

Both of those work for Eric’s request.

John K. Sutherland
February 16, 2021 10:48 am

Scoldilocks, strikes again!

ATheoK
Reply to  John K. Sutherland
February 16, 2021 8:22 pm

That would work to describe both Manniacal and Greta,

Except, Manniacal’s locks grow out from his ears.

Tom
February 16, 2021 10:54 am

He’s mad that WUWT pointed out that Greta’s ridiculous and onerous ocean-sailing trip was useless except for virtue signalling?

This is the entire core of Climate Alarmism that WUWT has been pointing out for years and years – the changes that the Alarmists want the entire human race are ridiculous, onerous, and completely pointless in achieving any sensible objective whatsoever.

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Richard (the cynical one)
Reply to  Tom
February 16, 2021 12:04 pm

The alarmist objective is entirely sensible, and is one that has driven despots for time immemorial: control.
Nothing more, nothing less.
The misery from the pestilence and famine that will decimate humanity is irrelevant, and in fact, mass death is part of the process.

Gary Ashe
Reply to  Tom
February 16, 2021 5:27 pm

yeah pound shop virtue. cheap and nasty, just like micky mann.

suffolkboy
February 16, 2021 11:04 am

The traditional career path for people who say “I am afraid to go out in the sun now because of the hole in our ozone; I am afraid to breathe the air because I don’t know what chemicals are in it” is two children and a regular eco-slot on a Canadian local radio station.

Bruce Ranta
Reply to  suffolkboy
February 16, 2021 11:10 am

A CBC radio station….every day the local CBC radio station has SEVERAL climate change/climate disaster/climate alarmist stories. Every day.

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Bruce Ranta
February 16, 2021 12:09 pm

Yes, every day, i think its now part of their charter. Thursday afternoon i was out for a drive and i decided to listen to CBC, need to understand what the enemy is saying, they had a segment on the Alberta govt upcoming report on foreign funding of “charities” that are attacking our industry. The CBC host says there does not seem to be much debate on climate, pretty rich coming from CBC which does not allow debate on science, so she said “so lets have that debate now”, all smug as you’d expect from a cbc talking head.

They then interviewed:
A lawyer, who has read about “science”
An alberta rancher who had an epiphany when his dad had a stroke after getting some chemical on him, oh and he had noticed climate change at his ranch (zero details on what he saw)
The ended with two activists with “environmental communications” outfits.

All proclaimed the science settled, there were no doubts, no questions, no gray area.

That is canadian debate.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 16, 2021 8:46 pm

Eh?

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  suffolkboy
February 16, 2021 11:42 am

Did you spell “slot” correctly?

Mr.
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 16, 2021 1:51 pm

You’re terrible Muriel.

Derg
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 16, 2021 4:43 pm

Lol

gringojay
February 16, 2021 11:08 am

Diamond hands know all the chords to play.

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Jeff Alberts
Reply to  gringojay
February 16, 2021 8:48 pm

I don’t remember there being chords on a violin. Of course, that was only for two years in Middle School in the mid 70s.

alastair gray
February 16, 2021 11:13 am

Does the Disdtinguished Professor of Shonkeysticks want to share Greta’s Nobel Prize?
How Dare He!!!

Joseph Zorzin
February 16, 2021 11:20 am

“Inactivists”

?

Tom
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 16, 2021 12:16 pm

It’s not enough to apathetically accept the Alarmist agenda. Anyone who is not a full-fledged “Climate Activist” is an enemy of the state (and planet) as far as Mike and Greta’s camp are concerned.

Meab
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 16, 2021 1:19 pm

Michael Mann is an ignoranus (not misspelled). A study has found that people skeptical of the “climate crisis” scam are more likely to personally act in ways believed to be environmentally responsible than climate Alarmists are. Case in point, Greta thinking that she was behaving responsibly when she was actually acting in a way worse than a regular person would. The true measure of activism is actions, not rhetoric.

pHil R
Reply to  Meab
February 16, 2021 4:21 pm

ignoranus – stupid @ssh0le. I like it!!

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 16, 2021 2:29 pm

A term specially coined for the purpose of ease in making accusations.

bluecat57
February 16, 2021 11:31 am

If you oke your head up in a war zone you can expect to be shot at.
If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
Don’t they teach kids any wisdom anymore?
Olde Wisdom from Thee Frugal Curmudgeon

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  bluecat57
February 16, 2021 11:44 am

You asked, “Don’t they teach kids any wisdom anymore?”

Childhood is the defining characteristic of immaturity. Although, far too many adults never make the transition. They just get old and wrinkled.

bluecat57
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 17, 2021 6:52 am

I must have been a unique child. I did a lot of things wrong ONCE. I seldom repeated my mistakes, but I’m old enough for “corporal” punishment to have been the teacher and deterrent.

Bruce Cobb
February 16, 2021 11:32 am

Even Liar-Liar-Pants-o-On-Fire Mikey Mann indulges in feel-good virtue-signaling, when he isn’t puffing up his dino-sized ego or engaging in crocodile-tear-stained cries about how he is continually being attacked for simply doing “science”.

gymnosperm
February 16, 2021 11:44 am

I always thought Greta was autistic, but she seems to have been diagnosed with Asperger’s? Asperger’s seems a better fit, a condition that often presents as wandering around swearing at strangers. Telling that alarmism relies so heavily on demented savants such as Michael and Greta.

Alastair gray
Reply to  gymnosperm
February 16, 2021 1:27 pm

Na you can be both, but i intelligent and articulate as well which. la Thunberg i s but with a pet obsession that she has not go to the bottom of. With a bit of education she could quite easily change sides but don’t look to her abusive circle to provide that

Hivemind
Reply to  gymnosperm
February 16, 2021 10:22 pm

Autism is now regarded as a spectrum, from ADHD at the lower end, up to autism at the high end. Aspergers is just a little more severe than ADHD.

Luke
February 16, 2021 11:46 am

I wonder if Greta had just been spanked as a young child like my generation if she would’ve been a normie? The damage of pseudosocialscience.

Robert of Texas
February 16, 2021 11:55 am

Heck, I see CO2 molecules all the time! They are pouring out of the cooling towers into a white cloud-like fog! (This according to most AGW journalists who do not know the difference between condensed water droplets and invisible CO2)

And she can smell CO2 as well. Me too! It smells like…peaty caramel, with a hint of oak. Oh wait, that might be my scotch…

Mr.
Reply to  Robert of Texas
February 16, 2021 1:53 pm

I love the smell of (scotch-flavored) napalm in the morning . . .

Ozonebust
February 16, 2021 11:56 am

An interview with Mann this week about his new book on the public radio station in New Zealand.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018783645#

Jit
Reply to  Ozonebust
February 16, 2021 1:25 pm

The great man was also on BBC radio’s flagship breakfast news today, in a prime 8.40 slot.

The following account of what he said is liberally paraphrased (original in my comment at cliscep).

“The old climate war was the assault on basic science by fossil-fuel interests. But we’ve reached the point when we can see the impacts of climate change playing out in real time in the form of unprecedented extreme weather disasters – we’ve seen that in the UK in recent summers. Even prfessional denialists can deny this undeniable fact.”

Utter tripe, to insult the gastric apparatus of a sheep. Salt and vinegar with that?

Gakkkk.

“The new climate war – World War Climate Two, I liken it to – is against the forces of inaction. (A bizarre concept.) “The inactivists, I call them.” (How he must have chortled when he came up with that.) “Such folk can’t argue it isn’t happening any more.” (Oh yes we can you charming man.) “Such folk blather on about geoengineering or carbon sequestration. Then there is doom-mongering, where the denialists try to convince us it’s actually too late to do anything, so we might as well just carry on as we are.”

At this point the interviewer comes in with an anecdote about how Shell is going zero carbon. (Anyone with any shares in this operation, yet another once great company gone to seed, probably thought of selling them at this juncture, but realised that a large company turning into a subsidy farm is actually more profitable than a large company actually mining oil).

The great man replies with the need for subsidies for renewables (the interviewer does not interject with the wide-eyed “But doc, they don’t need subsidies any more because they are the cheapest form of electricity generation.”) CCS is no good (reading between the lines this is because it *might* allow us some form of civilisation moving forwards.) What we need are demand-side measures and (again) support for renewable energy.(Demand-side seems to mean poor folk paying more for their power.)

Now a sensible question. Who are we to tell the third world not to burn fossil fuels, when we became wealthy doing so?

Sage answer: “The third world is going to leapfrog fossil fuels. What is the point of a reliable grid? They need decentralised generators that don’t work. We’re not going to send the third world our excess slide rules, because they don’t want them, they want calculators.”

What about William Gates and his support for nuclear? Answer: “It’s not viable in the free market without massive government subsidies AND what’s worse is that a dollar wasted on a nuke that will run at 90% capacity for 50 years is a dollar not spent on those amazing whirligig-things, what do you call them?”

What would you say to other countries at COP26? Answer: “Look at what we’re doing and raise your ambition you layabouts, we need to save the Earth yesterday. Look at Biden. Look at him. Go on! I dare you.”

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Jit
February 16, 2021 2:32 pm

Wot? How dare you!

Jit
Reply to  Jit
February 16, 2021 3:02 pm

*Even professional denialists can’t* apologies for the typos. I used to pride myself on never making any, but it seems my standards have slipped!

pHil R
Reply to  Jit
February 16, 2021 4:27 pm

Maybe it wasn’t your standards, just your fingers (i find mine typimg with a mind of their own at times as I get older).

pHil R
Reply to  Jit
February 16, 2021 4:28 pm

TYPING (dammit..)

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  pHil R
February 16, 2021 5:37 pm

I assumed that was intended 🙂

Gary Ashe
Reply to  pHil R
February 16, 2021 5:39 pm

try the edit function.

MarkW
Reply to  Jit
February 17, 2021 10:04 am

For some reason, certain types of errors can’t be seen until after the post has been submitted.

Richard M
February 16, 2021 11:58 am

We could hope that one of these days some reporter asks Mann to explain this experiment out of Norway.

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation.aspx?paperid=99608

Despite clearly measuring back radiation due to CO2 the end result is almost immeasurable warming (1/200 of the predicted warming).

Danley Wolfe
February 16, 2021 12:01 pm

Why has Michael Mann been such a controversial figure .. he has been mired in controversy most of his career… controversy over his hockey stick graph, controversy and investigation on CRU emails, lawsuits, e.g., versus Tim Ball, and versus Mark Stein. I am beginning to think climate science is not an honorable profession. In part the problem is the science, what is and what is not science. AAAS tells us to “follow the science” but most science is not conclusive and science based on millennial scale projections of models that admittedly exclude important variables (e.g., solar variability and volcanic eruption effects) is not really science but political science.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
February 16, 2021 1:07 pm

“I am beginning to think climate science is not an honorable profession.”

Climate science is an honorable profession. It’s just that climate science has some less-than-honorable scientists operating within it.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 16, 2021 1:33 pm

It’s honorable but very, very difficult. Physics is simple by comparison and can often give very good information. Ask a physicist the weight of an electron and he or she will say 9.1093837015 × 10−31kg. Ask a room of climate scientists about climate sensitivity and the answer might vary by 300% or more. And that’s fine as long as they all agree it’s a difficult problem and not SETTLED science.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 17, 2021 1:54 am

Astrology is also science. Very good people with very good hearts involved themselves with it for ages. There was a time when astrology was the “maths” used to express all sorts of knowledge. Religion is science, it explains in great detail the workings of the universe as a function of divine will. What was that thing where you measured the bumps on a dude’s head to classify his personality, again? Science!
To be ‘science’, it requires you investigate, take notes, form theories, literally, “to classify knowledge”. Just like the guy who wrote Malleus Malificarum. To BELIEVE in science is no worse nor better than believing in ghosts or the unhealthy influence of Saturn. For many, science IS religion, just like religion determines the nature of reality for many others.
In the end, they are all equal, and not worshipping the “settled science” is, by definition, blasphemy.
That is the problem we have with Climastrologists, Communists, Democracists, Anarchists, Genderfluidists, Economists et al. They all BELIEVE, and Bolsh spends a lot of your money making sure the kids grow up with the ‘right’ religion/s. And hunting down the heathens!
We should maybe cut off their …isms, and see if they survive.

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Graemethecat
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 17, 2021 2:25 am

It’s important to make a sharp distinction between Climatology, an honorable, empirical scientific discipline practised by geologists, oceanographers and the like, and Climate “Science”, which is a Marxist power-grab with a thin sciencey veneer.

leowaj
February 16, 2021 12:01 pm

Michael Mann stooping to the level of “othering” persons with critical viewpoints. Just another Orwellian stooge.

fred250
February 16, 2021 12:15 pm

Anything that “triggers” little mickey mannless is good in my books !

Climate believer
February 16, 2021 12:20 pm

The White knight coming to the defence of child abuse… yeah that figures.

pouncing on her”…. that’s just weird.

fretslider
February 16, 2021 12:37 pm

Inactivist – a heretic who refuses to acknowledge the one true faith and its teachings

Vuk
February 16, 2021 12:38 pm

Just few seconds ago there was a UK’s TV reporter claiming that there is definite evidence that Texas freezing weather is consequence of global warming.

fred250
Reply to  Vuk
February 16, 2021 1:14 pm

Hey, we all know that ALL weather is proof of gerbil worming !!

ResourceGuy
February 16, 2021 12:40 pm

Mike Mann and St. Greta need their own statues on the Penn St. campus, not for accomplishment but for ego worship and kissing the feet.

Notanacademic
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 16, 2021 3:42 pm

I thought you were going to say for gathering pigeon sh*t.😉

Right-Handed Shark
February 16, 2021 1:04 pm

Did anybody calculate the “carbon footprint” of the media circus that followed her around on her transatlantic virtue signalling crusade? You know, the TV crews that flew in to see her off, then flew across the Atlantic to greet her, followed her around the US and flew back across the pond to greet her again? Did micky dripp figure that into his inane rantings?

Notanacademic
Reply to  Right-Handed Shark
February 16, 2021 3:48 pm

I read somewhere that her plastic boat was equipped with backup engines, diesel if I remember correctly.

Bruce Cobb
February 16, 2021 1:04 pm

The “Jerry Sandusky of Climate Change” strikes again.

Tom Abbott
February 16, 2021 1:10 pm

Greta looks a lot better when she’s not scowling.

Michael Mann’s climate change propaganda makes her scowl. Quit abusing that child, Mann! And the rest of us.

Stephen Philbrick
February 16, 2021 1:47 pm

It is intellectually lazy for Mann to make this charge. I could understand a situation if a teenager made a cute video about some animal, misused a word and people poked fun at her faux pas, but that’s not remotely the situation. Greta, and her handlers deigned to tell the world they are wrong and should change their lives. Even if you are right, by doing so she’s stepped onto the stage with adults, and if she cannot be criticized, she should not speak. That’s without even considering the fact that her position is fundamentally flawed and intellectually bankrupt.

The crossing of the Atlantic was a stunt. A very clever PR stunt that could be applauded if it wasn’t for the fact that it generated far more CO2 than the alternative which makes it more hypocritical than effective. Mann knows this (if he doesn’t, he needs to step off the adult stage) so should know better. 

Mr. Lee
February 16, 2021 1:58 pm

I can’t be angry with Greta, she’s too young. But, if you are over 49 years old and still profess to believe the pablum she spews, then you are either an opportunist or an ignoramus or both.

Gordon A. Dressler
February 16, 2021 2:13 pm

Hey, Michael Mann, I’m assuming that you are still ensconced somewhere near Penn State, still doing your climate (mis)information thing at that university, so I have one simple question for you, particularly for this week . . . do you remember what snow is?

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 16, 2021 2:23 pm

The Mann reads WUWT! The question now is: will he comprehend what he reads?

William Haas
February 16, 2021 2:36 pm

All that Greta has been doing is saying and doing as her handlers direct. Before she continues this charade she needs to complete her education and think things out for herself. It seem to me that, for her, science is :general science, a collection of “facts” that she has to memorize to pass tests. It takes a lot more education to be able to figure things out for ones self and to understand that the reality is that, based on the paleoclimate record and the work done with models, the climate change we have been experiencing is caused by the sun and the oceans over which mankind has no control. She has to realize that, despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and that there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the conclusion that the climate of CO2 is zero.

Mike
Reply to  William Haas
February 16, 2021 4:19 pm

 there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate and that there is plenty of scientific rationale to support the conclusion that the climate of CO2 is zero.”

No evidence at all – unless someone can point me to a quanitfied co2 signal in the temperature data. Seems the last 40 odd years of speculation about the effects of co2 is completely conceptual. Hey Mikey? What say you??

Trying to Play Nice
February 16, 2021 4:08 pm

I don’t see a problem here. In fact, it seems that for the first time Little Mikey Mann looked at evidence in the real world before coming to a conclusion. He actually seems to have observed at least one sentence in the article.

ATheoK
February 16, 2021 7:52 pm

My first thought when reading the title was “When!?”…

Turns out it was over a year and a half ago.
Even then, Manniacal has to paraphrase his own red herring strawman fallacy as if WUWT posted it.

Typical manniacal. Shallow self centered hater of all things honest and transparent.

Manniacal’s devotions:

her extraordinary actions to reduce her carbon footprint”

The handicapped child, Greta, took zero actions.
Greta’s abusers’ actions magnified their collective and especially Greta’s carbon footprint.
Especially as Greta herself rode in a hyper expensive custom made, fossil fuel derived custom molded carbon fiber racing craft.
A craft dependent upon copious amounts of fossil fuel derived resins.

I doubt manniacal could be more wrong if he tried.

Matthew Sykes
February 17, 2021 12:36 am

She said 200 species a day are gong extinct. Thats about 75% of known species in the last 30 years.

Did anyone notice chicken or broccoli suddenly becoming unavailable? Really, 200 a day, dont you think we would have noticed 2oo species, disappearing, every day, for decades?

She is insane, living in a strange make-believe world.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
February 17, 2021 7:11 am

“living in a strange make-believe world.”

I’m afraid there are too many people who do that. Too many, and the formers of public opinion only exascerbate the situation by feeding them one false reality after another for partisan, political purposes.

MarkW
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 17, 2021 10:10 am

To city dwellers, who’s only contact with nature is rats, pigeons and David Attenborough specials, have no context on which to judge the falsity of these kinds of statements.

fred250
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
February 17, 2021 4:24 pm

“She said 200 species a day are gong extinct.”

.

I bet she could not name even one of them !!

Capell Aris
February 17, 2021 12:57 pm

Why is Thunberg using a picture of a solar 22 degree halo and a pair of sun dogs as a background? The phenomena is caused by ice crystals. Surely such things are in the past, like snow?

February 17, 2021 2:23 pm

Such unethical people. They send out their child soldiers and then criticize the people who shoot at them. They should stop using children in their propaganda campaigns.

Kpar
February 18, 2021 10:08 am

Yes, Greta cares… but about what, exactly?

Her parents are guilty of child abuse.

Joe
February 19, 2021 1:50 am

The first time I saw her on TV, I didn’t know who she was, but I was just shocked at her maniacal behavior. I thought, “what the hell is wrong with this kid?”

Only later did I learn she was an evil spawn of the climate change cult. She’s like the demonic girl in “The Bad Seed.”

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