Doh! Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg’s Plastic Boat Trip Will Require Four Transatlantic Flights

Greta Thunberg in front of the Swedish parliament in Stockholm, August 2018 – image: Wikipedia

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Dr. Willie Soon – Climate crusader Greta Thunberg’s “principled” trip across the Atlantic in a carbon fibre and non recyclable plastic boat is going to require at least four crew members to fly across the Atlantic.

Greta Thunberg’s two-week trip across Atlantic in ‘zero-carbon yacht’ may generate more emissions than it saves as two of the crew have to FLY to New York to bring the boat back to Europe

  • On Wednesday, the Swedish eco-campaigner left Plymouth on the Malizia II 
  • Skipper Boris Herrmann and team founder Pierre Casiraghi will fly back from US
  • The 16-year-old is set to address the UN climate change conference next month 

By JACK ELSOM and DARREN BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:57 AEST, 17 August 2019 | UPDATED: 06:50 AEST, 18 August 2019

Greta Thunberg’s trans-Atlantic voyage on a ‘zero-carbon yacht’ has been rocked by revelations that crew will fly to New York in a gas-guzzling plane to bring the boat back to Europe.

It is claimed that this would generate more emissions than the yacht saves and threatens to leave the 16-year-old’s plans to chart an environmentally friendly route to the United States in tatters. 

On Wednesday, the Swedish eco-campaigner left Plymouth on the Malizia II for a two-week journey to the United Nations headquarters where she will address a climate change meeting.  

But last night, it was confirmed that two crew will have to fly to the US east coast city to man the 60ft yacht on its return.

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7365909/Greta-Thunbergs-Atlantic-trip-zero-carbon-yacht-generate-emissions-saves.html

Could this absurd charade possibly get more embarrassing? Next time Greta, buy an airline ticket like the rest of your fellow greens.

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249 thoughts on “Doh! Climate Messiah Greta Thunberg’s Plastic Boat Trip Will Require Four Transatlantic Flights

  1. Here’s my doomsday scenario: Greta’s boat capsizes in a storm and goes down, all souls lost. Press blames storm on global warming. Greta becomes a martyr. All global-warming activist organizations are funded indefinitely.

      • What isn’t holding is the maxim, “A lie travels halfway around the world before truth can get its shoes on”. In this case the lie is yet in journey while the truth of the hypocritical, virtue-signaling publicity stunt has already spread around the world.

        • To John Tillman:The weather channel is forecasting that the wind shear in the Atlantic is about to weaken and the Sahara dust and dry air is going to fade soon leading to a very active tropical storm/hurricane season starting late August through October.

        • They’ve also just shot themselves in the foot via effectively admitting they need to be traveling by wind-power to such international conferences in future, and thus waste several months to several years of life being at sea. Bet they don’t. They will issue indulgences from the UN’s Pope, and keep making the “climate-crisis”™ worserer instead.

          They can also repent and confess their sins to the UN Pope then say 50 Heil-Gretas and thus be redeemed from the weeping and gnashing-of-teeth groove thing.

        • Did anyone consider the possibility that these people were going to do the trip anyways and Greta just happened to come along for the ride? If this is the case, then her trip is not creating more emissions. I do not see that this possibility is mentioned or has been investigated in this article. This article smells of a rash conclusion to me.

          • They were not. The owner offered her the boat and his and Malizia II’s skipper’s services to go to NYC.

          • Not a chance. You would not use your state of the art racing yacht to make a pointless Atlantic crossing. You use it to race, to try to set some record, to do a particularly noteworthy expedition.

            The best you can hope is that they might have done something more or equally damaging somewhere else with it, or else spent the period engaged in luxury travel and existence.

    • The worst case scenario is that her carbon-free adventure will incur progressive carbon emissions, and will become a first-order forcing of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, whereby all carbon-based life on Earth will be selectively aborted by the very hand advocating for prophecy and social progress. A tragic victim of the double-edged scalpel.

    • Gotta love the idea of a carbon free boat made out of … carbon fibre, held together by polymer resins made from “fossil fuel” resources. I’m also guessing a funky aerospace quality Al-Mg alloy mast which required loads of fossil derived energy to mine and cast in the foundry, not a sustainably farmed tree trunk.

      The sails are made from what ? Hemp or high tech polymers made from “dirty” OIL?

      So what is this farce supposed to save? The ‘carbon footprint of one half sized human flying to NY, which results in 2 full sized humans doing the same thing. Sounds like it just wasted FOUR times MORE that it pretends to save.

      • Greg

        Sails and mast probably made from carbon fibre as well, very light and very strong. Perfect for the purpose.

        And too bad if they do get into trouble, Greta then becomes a liability not an asset.

        I’m surprised the crew agreed to the trip.

        • I’m betting there will be a fossil driven escort vessel within camera range to fly the drone and provide emergency services for her ‘just in case’.

        • I’m betting there will be a fossil driven escort vessel within camera range to fly the drone and provide emergency services for her ‘just in case’.

          In the event of a lack of wind, she will obviously do her watch on the pedal driven ‘wind-free’ propulsion system.

        • Didn’t they used to throw a woman overboard if she was discovered due to her ringing bad luck on the journey?

          • Isn’t that witches? Throw them in and they drown they are not a witch. Float and they are so you burn them – using biomass of course.

      • You really seem to miss the point Greg. Greta has inspired many young people around the globe to make adults more accountable about climate change. She has become a symbol, a torch carrier for the need for humanity to come out of our collective denial about the unsustainabllity of human civilization. She is fighting for the survival of humanity. This is an act of love and courage. None of us, whatever level of commitment to making changes toward a more sustainable civilization can escape using materials whose manufacture runs counter to the survival of humanity, but those like Greta help us awaken to the existential threat and the necessity to act now. Please join us in facing this danger and acting now to save humanity and to create a sustainable future. We need you!

        • Seems we need to tax the children in that case.

          If THEY are the future then THEY can pay for it.

          See how Green they really are when it is not Mummy and Daddy paying, but their own part time after school job.

        • Oh no Chris, he got the point perfectly. Aside from the hilarious and grotesque farce of the crew members flying to bring the boat back, the cost, in terms of energy and resources to build the boat in the first place – it was never intended to be any sort of carbon saving exercise, but a rich persons plaything (note: The Malizia Team is based in Monaco) – the stupendous amount of coverage in electronic media will consume untold amounts of electricity and other resources and have exactly the opposite effect to what she’s telling the rest of us to do. Thankfully, the irony has not been lost and the hypocrisy of this stunt is already being covered widely. As for all this odious pomposity about torch carrying, existential threats and love & courage… she’s deluding countless impressionable, gullible and naïve young people into thinking they’re accomplishing something without having the barest glimmering of understanding what the hell they’re on about. You and Greta and your disciples can go back to the caves if you want – the rest of us will not be joining you.

        • Good sarcasm, but you need a /sarc tag. people will think you’re serious and laugh even harder.

          So, rather than an airplane seat, future environmentally conscious young people will each need an exotic, carbon based 60 foot yacht to cross the Atlantic. By the way, how do they get back? Sounds as if Greta is flying. Otherwise, they wouldn’t need to fly a crew across the pond. Just sail her back.

      • Per kg it takes 14 times more CO2 to make carbon fibre than steel. If Greta gets her wish the only people that get to travel are the anointed elite. So in the pursuit of an equal society for they actually end up with a monarchy, so very North Korea.

    • Lets hope she does not come to harm, she is just a child with her life in front of her, however tiresome and naïve she might be and however much others are pulling her strings.

      Surely a message sent to the New York conference from Sweden using Skype, would have sent a clearer signal that there are better ways to spread the climate message than having 20000 delegates travelling by plane to the next IPCC climate conference?

      Can I also make the point that the activists behind her and Extinction Rebellion are inventing their own facts? Greta said in a highly arrogant address to the UK Parliament a few months ago the very lines that reflect the activists claim that the IPCC said in 2018 ‘we have 12 years to save the world’ and is CE’s excuse to call a ‘climate emergency.’

      She said; “Around the year 2030, 10 years 252 days and 10 hours away from now, we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control, that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it. That is unless in that time, permanent and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society have taken place, including a reduction of CO2 emissions by at least 50%.And please note that these calculations are depending on inventions that have not yet been invented at scale, inventions that are supposed to clear the atmosphere of astronomical amounts of carbon dioxide.”

      The UN did make the ‘12 years’ comment in 1988-with a timeframe for climatic doom of 2000. It never happened of course. Which is probably why the IPCC never said this in 2018 and have been busy trying to correct this misconception.

      “The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,” said James Skea, co-chairman of the report and Professor of sustainable energy at Imperial College London, “The hotter it gets, the worse it gets, but there is no cliff edge.”

      “This has been a persistent source of confusion,” agreed Kristie L. Ebi, who was Executive Director of the IPCC Working Group II Technical Support Unit from 2009 -2012“The report never said we only have 12 years left.”

      The actual science –as distinct from the wild claims-can be read in Chapter 3, Box 8 of the IPCC report

      The repeating of this 12 year mantra are terrifying our children. That Britain’s own Co2 output is irrelevant to the world climate can be seen in data provided by New Scientist, that if the UK went to net zero Co2 emissions by 2050 it would provide three hundredths of a degrees reduction in global temperature compared to 2020. Theresa May pledged 1 trillion pounds to achieve a result that is not measurable and assumes an (unproven) high degree of sensitivity of the climate to Co2

      Perhaps Greta and Theresa May are unaware that 97% of Co2 comes from natural sources, not man? (Chapter 3 – IPCC Climate Assessment report) At around 415 parts per million of our atmosphere it is a trace gas dwarfed by up to 40,000 ppm of (less powerful ) natural water vapour making water the dominant greenhouse gas (page 666 of the IPCC assessment.)

      According to Nature magazine, the total amount of carbon found in living plants and animals, the soil, the atmosphere and the ocean consists of some 40000 billion tons Humans contribute only an 6 billion tons of additional load on this vast balance.

      The Paris climate agreement set a maximum of 1.5 centigrade rise from pre industrial times (1750). Bizarrely this is measured from the Little Ice Age, the coldest period in the entire 10000 year long Holocene. It would be deeply worrying if we were not warmer than that period, or if we returned to those values.

      With Britain’s long running Central England temperature series (CET) maintained by the Met office, dating from 1650’s we can see the depths of the later phase of the LIA and that the 1.5C limit set out in Paris was approached here in the 1730’s, 1820’s 1870’s 1930’s and in the modern era from the 1990’s. In other words our climate fluctuates regularly from warm to cold and back again which we can see in instrumental records.

      CET is said to be a good, if not perfect, proxy for the Northern Hemisphere and illustrate that temperatures have been generally rising since 1695, although over the last 20 years they have marginally declined from a high plateau. So no one from the ‘woke’ Generation Z living in Britain has actually ever known the warming climate they are demonstrating and striking about.

      tonyb

      • tonyb. An excellent summary highlighting the total irresponsibility of bureaucrats, politicians and the media.
        John S

      • Funny how a lot of those who say a 4C rise in temperature will end civilization, go on vacation to places that are at least 10 to 20C warmer than their home location. If you live in Canada they go to a spot that’s 30 to 40C warmer!

        • Here in Utah, the difference between the high and low temperatures is frequently higher than 30 F. I don’t even have to move.

          • Not to mention that on the vast majority of days, it is the low temperature, not the high temperature, that poses the greater threat to your existence.

      • “The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,” said James Skea, co-chairman of the report and Professor of sustainable energy at Imperial College London, “The hotter it gets, the worse it gets, but there is no cliff edge.”

        The IPCC says there is not really a “Tipping Point”, a point of no return. Too bad they don’t tell the populace of the world, who think we are on the edge of a cliff about to fall off into uncharted evironmental hell, because of the propaganda and distortions being put out by all sorts of alarmists.

        The IPCC ought to be suing alarmists for distorting the meaning of their CO2 studies, and unnecessarily scaring people.

        • ”The IPCC ought to be suing alarmists for distorting the meaning of their CO2 studies, and unnecessarily scaring people.”

          Agreed…..straight after we sue the IPPC for allowing it to happen.

          • Correction: “Soon after we sue the IPCC & the UN for deliberately creating a false problem for Left-wing political purposes!” After all, Adolf Hitler did say in Mein Kampf, that “the people are more likely to believe a really big lie than a small one!”

        • Tom thank you for highlighting this.

          “The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,”

          “The panel” don’t have to. That’s Greta’s job.

          That’s why they’re flying, err sorry, sustainably sailing her around in a fancy carbon yacht. She’s a child. She can say whatever they tell her to say and other children and soft in the head adults will believe her!

          (And no one gets charged with fraud.)

      • “that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it. That is unless in that time, permanent and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society have taken place,”

        So, the fear of ‘the end of civilisation as we know it’ can only be avoided by ‘permanent and unprecedented changes’.

        A pyrrhic victory should she get her way.

      • I do weep to the vast number of young people I know who are literally throwing away their lives, not marrying and having children, because they believe in this 12 years nonsense. By the time it is proven false most of the women will find it’s too late to change their minds because they have passed their most fertile years and they have missed their chance to have a family for a lie.

    • Joan of Arc requested that the town of Domremy(-la-Pucelle) be exempted from taxes forever in return for her services. Perhaps Sweden will grant tax exemption to Greta’s birth place, a slight larger commune/city?

      • Possibly Joe, though she (Jeanne d’Arc) did put her life on the line in battle – however when she fell out of fashion was burned to death at the stake by former followers.
        Perchance St Greta should ponder on this.

        • The Maid was condemned by her enemies.

          Joan was captured by the England’s Burgundian allies during the siege of Compiègne in 1430. They sold her to the English, under the dead Henry V’s brother John of Lancaster, Duke of Bedford. She was tried and executed by a pro-English ecclesiastical court overseen by English commanders at Rouen, Normandy in 1431. Bedford himself didn’t interfere in the trial proceedings.

          • Quite! -Says a lot for the Catholic church which, for a while supported her, then eventually canonised her as a symbol. Religion as defined by politicians has a lot to answer for.

          • Yes, her status, heretic v. saint depended totally upon which secular power controlled the Church hierarchy at the moment.

            The former heretic was canonized a saint in AD 1920, prompting Shaw’s “St. Joan”.

            Somehow a cross-dressing teen-aged schizophrenic seems the ideal saint of France.

    • This type of state-of-the-art regatta boat does not go down, there may be a disastrous disruption of the insides of passengers, but the vessel will hold. More pertinent is the question of Greta’s quest to South America by train and bus, neither of which will be fuelled by renewable energy. Lest she switches to a solar-powered unicorn, her carbon footprint will be counter-productive to her mission.

  2. What makes them think that they can do the trip in two weeks? Eastbound, perhaps, with the benefit of the prevailing winds. Westbound, two months, possibly.

    A two man crew for a 60 ft yacht – sounds a bit schooner rigged. Or is that in addition to the normal crew of about 10?

  3. Just two airplane tickets? How about the six crew who are flying back? Beautiful day for burgers on grill.

    • And a further two sailors who are currently on board the Malizia II with Greta may use air travel to get back to Europe.

  4. From the The book Scenes from the Heart by Greta’s mother

    ‘Greta is eleven years old and has gone two months without eating. Her heart rate and blood pressure show clear signs of starvation. She has stopped speaking to anyone but her parents and younger sister, Beata.

    After years of depression, eating disorders, and anxiety attacks, she finally receives a medical diagnosis: Asperger’s syndrome, high-functioning autism, and OCD. She also suffers from selective mutism—which explains why she sometimes can’t speak to anyone outside her closest family. When she wants to tell a climate researcher that she plans a school strike on behalf of the environment, she speaks through her father.

    https://quillette.com/2019/04/23/self-harm-versus-the-greater-good-greta-thunberg-and-child-activism/

        • No, that is self-harm on the part of those stupid enough to listen to her.

          She is a fitting spokesperson for the “climate movement” which is a globally scaled case of OCD.

          A school child who knows nothing about science or climate is a perfect figurehead for a movement of people who know nothing about science or climate.

          • IIIf Greta is a “high functioning autistic ” and exhibits those behaviors-either mommy is lying or Greta is a lot worse than mommy admits.
            My wife is a “high functioning autistic” holds two degrees has been a teacher,
            but she can navigate society quite well by choosing her audience and conditions.
            If Greta is as described -I wouldn’t want her in the road in an emergency.
            This is child abuse..

    • When she wants to tell a climate researcher that she plans a school strike on behalf of the environment, she speaks through her father.

      This keeps getting worse. “selective mutism?!?” The girl who speaks in front of Parliment?

      • “Selective mutism”.
        Hmmm … perhaps that is a common ailment among the CAGWers? That’s why they refuse to debate?
        (Gavin Schmidt refusing to even be on the same set with Dr. Roy Spenser for an interview being a prime example.)

          • 😎
            Hence the push to name knowledgeable people to be ignored.
            Not all the “useful idiots” supporting “The Cause” actually are idiots. But they need information, data to evaluate what is really going on.
            Nature is supplying some of that.
            Some of the “idiots” began to wake up.
            So they changed from CAGW to “Climate Change” with Man still and always being the cause.
            “The Cause” is that Man needs to controlled.
            They’ve practiced “selective mutism” by refusing debates and now they want their “useful idiots” to ignore reasoned opposition to their theory and the nonsensical solutions to prevent a faulty computer game’s conclusion.

    • Sounds like a perfect spokesperson for the climate industrial complex. They ought to be able to keep this up for a long time, longer than Stephan Hawking even.

    • So if the young person’s developing brain was starved for that long what parts of that brain are stunted? Oh wait – maybe parts of that brain outcompeted other parts of that brain for nutrients & that has given the person their self professed super power enabling CO2 to be seen by the naked eye. So many questions to ask when the ship comes in ….

    • In which case she is being exploited, her parents clearly are not good parents and are benefitting from the funding she receives for what must be a very expensive trip across the Atlantic plus other events. Apparently she has also put back her schooling for a year to concentrate on being an ambassador of AGW.

  5. Um, I’m a touch confused here.

    1) Isn’t she sailing back in the yacht?
    2) Didn’t those crew members go with her in the boat in the first place?
    3) Why can’t whoever sailed the boat in the first place just take it back?

    and no, I’m not giving Daily Mail the click just to read if the details are there.

    • The owner and skipper are flying back, so need replacements. Two other crew might do likewise.

      It’s a racing yacht, owned by Pierre Casiraghi, Grace Kelly’s grandson.

      Dunno how little Greta will get to Santiago de Chile from NYC.

    • 1) No, she is staying here, reportedly planning a trip to Canada (not sure why), and then she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference in December. I’m not sure when she’ll be going back home, but odds are it will be by plane.
      2) No, possibly because it would have been too crowded.
      3) They probably have better, “more important” things to do. That’s what employees are for.

        • Buses and trains do use fossil fuels, but because it is sanctioned by the CAGW horde, she can’t see their CO2 emissions.

        • Maybe she and her dad can beg a solar-powered vehicle, if there be any tough enough for Latin American roads.

          They’d also need an electric boat to get around the Darien Gap. Or attempt it by electric quadracycle.

          She would need a license for an electric car, to spell her dad driving.

          • “Dad,I’m going to a party.Would you do my homework for me?”
            “I’m sorry,kid,but it just wouldn’t be right.”
            “Well,maybe not.Give it a try anyway.”

        • Indeed, the Darien Gap looks tricky, involving several boats, and even a hike. I’m thinking they may want to re-consider traveling overland to Chile.

        • Per Wiki article on the Dorian Gap, the ferry operator went out of business. I don’t know how current it was.

          • You’re right. I checked.

            So they’ll have to brave the Gap by land or charter a sailboat.

      • Maybe she can hike over the Andes, bike to Brazil, hitch another free ride on a yacht full of wind sailing across the Atlantic to Senegal, thence by camel to Cueta, row to Gibraltar, then bike to Denmark and again row back to Sweden.

        On the Chilean side of the Liberators’ Pass between Santiago and Medoza, Argentina are many switchbacks. A tunnel lowers the height to only 10,499 feet, after which the highway grade to Mendoza is gentler.

      • “…then she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference in December. ”
        Aren’t there any battery-powered vehicles available for the trip? Traveling by NON-Green evil CO2-spewing contraptions seems a bit hypocritical as does the entire Clown Show Caravan idea.

      • A side trip to Canada? Great, she’ll probably be greeted by the likes of Justin Trudeau (to draw attention away from his corruption issues) and his cabinet ministers (to draw attention away from their general ineptitude).

      • “she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference ”

        Can’t be done. No through road, no through railway.

        At the very least she will have to take a boat or plane from Panama to Colombia.

        • Unless she and her dad are willing to risk walking or biking across the Gap.

          Dunn if any murderous narcoterrorist Marxist FARC guerrilla-bandits are still hiding out there or not.

      • “…reportedly planning a trip to Canada (not sure why)…”

        Photo op with the Canadian ding-bat.

    • The boat needs to come back as it has a pre booked schedule. They fitting in GT’s trip. Further GT’s aim is to get to Chile in December. They are not going to hang around for a possible return date set by GT in January/February.

  6. you’re looking at a picture of a 16 year old girl…..old enough to drive a car

    …something is not right here

  7. We have evolved our way into the situation in which we find ourselves. We didn’t plan to become totally dependent on fossil fuels. We just got lucky.

    We probably can’t plan our way out of depending on fossil fuels. The left leaning greenies don’t realize that.

    The best we can do is fund curiosity based research. Change the perverse incentives that lead to the replication crisis where the vast majority of published research findings are wrong. Pray for a breakthrough or two.

    Before fracking and directional drilling became commonplace, things weren’t looking that rosy. I was seriously considering an electric pickup truck project. Then we became flooded with oil and natural gas and the electric truck project became moot.

    So far, technological advancements have occurred faster than possible disasters. We have a tiger by the tail and we should thank our lucky stars. The greenies also don’t understand that.

      • Thanks heaps for that link
        Ive downloaded and shared it around
        very very handy if SHTF
        or if fuel gets much more expensive, I loved you can run diesel and tractors with it too

    • Don’t worry, the greenies set working hard to slow the rate of technological progress, so that shouldn’t be an issue in the future. /Sarc off

    • There is not a hope in hell of the total idiots who seem to be running things “planning” to end the use of fossil fuels (which is lucky since they’re not doing any harm).

      The analogy I use is a fat person who wants to lose weight so they keep buying “slimming snacks”. This is what society is actually doing … we’ve not cutting back of energy use, instead we are USING MORE ENERGY to do more and more trivial things like sailing across the Atlantic in a plastic boat.

      You can’t diet by eating more diet snacks. Likewise, you can’t reduce fossil fuel usage by using a lot more fossil fuel to do “green” things.

      The actual solution, is not to switch from the very energy efficient transport system of flying to the costly (so highly inefficient) transport system of “sail”, but to NOT DO THE TRIP. The solution to reducing fossil fuel energy usage is not to consume fossil fuel energy producing bird-mincers but to not use energy.

      Likewise, I learn that the eco-nutter’s “Green New Deal” in the US, involves a massive increase in the consumption of fossil fuels in order to produce a few “diet snack” type policies which don’t reduce energy usage but just make the public feal like they are doing something to “diet”.

      • (which is lucky since they’re not doing any harm). — Okay, but you left out “so far”. “not doing any harm SO FAR” is more accurate, and quite appropriate, in my view.

        It does not mean they will NOT try to do any harm in the future, that’s all.

    • Ultimately we will need to wean ourselves off hydrocarbons for basic heating and electrical energy generation, if only to preserve them for humanity centuries hence. We’ll still need them for ‘high value’ uses – chemical feedstock, aviation, shipping. Ironically it’s the greenies’ opposition to nuclear power that is preventing us moving towards that state – ‘renewables’ aren’t a credible route. Available uranium and thorium could keep us going for centuries at current energy usage levels, and if we ever crack fusion power economically, then that’s essentially unlimited.

      • Some folks complain about the expense of nuclear power. For years, France has relied on, and benefited from, nuclear power. link

        Even with relatively old technology, nuclear power is viable.

        • Nuclear power would be the power source of choice if it was safe, as cheap as coal to operate, and mass produceable.

          The problem is we are using a 50 year old fission reactor design, that is expensive, wasteful of fuel, and inherently dangerous when it is a fact that we built and successfully tested a fission reactor design, that is best theoretical fission reactor possible 50 years ago…

          … a liquid fuel, no fuel rod, fission reactor design that is six times more fuel efficient, no catastrophic failure mode, as cheap as coal to build and run (all costs in)

          A cheap, safe, mass produceable reactor design that produces heat at 600C opening up almost all industrial heat applications, should be the win-win solution to the cult of CAGW madness.
          i.e. Something that would massively reduce CO2 emissions with a reduction in electricity prices.

          There is a limited amount of U235 and we are wasting it in fuel rod reactors that operate at 150 atmospheres and melt down in roughly 12 minutes if cooling water flow is lost that are six times less fuel efficient and that produce waste ceramic rods melt at 2500C that make reprocessing very expensive and dangerous.

      • We would have at least 2 but more likely 5 centuries to develop alternative technologies.

        However, the real question is: what will run out first, fossil fuels or humanity?

      • Breeder (fission) reactors could keep us going indefinitely, in principle, so no need for fusion.

        Check out, e.g. “Prescription for the Planet” by Tom Blees (there is a PDF version freely available online).

        Besides which, the prospect of fusion energy becoming a reality may be an illusion:

        https://thebulletin.org/2017/04/fusion-reactors-not-what-theyre-cracked-up-to-be/

        By contrast, Argonne National Lab proved that the Integral Fast (-breeder) (fission) reactor was perfectly feasibly (they ran it for 10 years, and its predecessors much longer), was safer than LWRs, and could use fuel from present day conventional reactors as fuel (thus providing a way to make our existing spent fuel much easier to dispose of).

  8. I must say, I have enjoyed seeing pictures of Grave Greta on the boat, in which she is smiling, and actually looking like a human being rather than a cyborg.

  9. Plus all the microplastics being shed from hull, foils, sails, lines, rigging, crew clothing and even ‘that’ bucket. A Viking longboat would have been a better option. ‘Fine craftsmanship built Draken Harald Hårfagre – with materials used throughout history. Oak, tar, hemp, iron and silk.’ https://www.drakenhh.com/

    • I went on board this ship when it was docked at the Mystic Seaport in Mystic Connecticut.
      You could smell the Tar about 3 blocks away, extremely strong odor. It is a beautiful vessel.
      One of the crew said the best part of the journey was docking at each port of call, getting off the ship and back onto the land.

  10. St. Greta of Thunberg is the acceptable face of child use and abuse.

    [In the Marvel Universe] she can see CO2 with the naked eye – her mother says so. It must be true, right?

  11. A crew of five is being flown to NY to take the yatch back to Europe, according to the German newspaper Taz. And at least two of the sailors in Greta’s trip will flight back to Europe. That makes it seven flights across the Atlantic instead of two if Greta and her father had flew to NY.

  12. “The Environmental Disaster of Solar Energy”
    Written by John Hinderaker

    https://www.americanexperiment.org/2019/08/environmental-disaster-solar-energy/?fbclid=IwAR33d8b9AuNADpS27z__18HQVhUYs0Xi1mvDg_ozldg6cLTDm6MDjAz1OZo

    “Worse, many decommissioned solar panels which were supposed to be properly disposed of are instead labeled “used” and sold to Middle Eastern countries that have no ability to deal with hazardous materials like cadmium”

    D’OH !

  13. If she survives the trip, to speak at the U.N. , it will be nothing new because she will say the same “were are in trouble”babble of speech (written by adults) that many warmists adults have been saying publicly for years already.

    It will be a waste of time and nothing new for warmists and skeptics to chew on. It is a propaganda stunt nothing more. The waste of fossil fuel for this shyster attempt greatly damages their game, but they march on because they deep into the delusion of being a would be planetary savior.

    I am …. Unimpressed at their silly stumbling way of pushing their illogical long dead AGW conjecture. They have not grown up and left this madness, which means this political propaganda will never end until the inevitable global cooling is in full swing as it will eventually.

    • The more fun will be at the September UN meeting, all countries are supposed to turn up with their loftier goals for emission controls and carbon neutral by 2050. This has sort of been lost in the discussion but I suspect the UK will probably stand alone as one of the few that will. Germany is almost certainly in a recession and has a fragile government but as Merkels last act has said it can’t be carbon neutral by 2050. The US will turn up and say it’s cut it’s emissions and won’t agree to go carbon neutral. Australia has already ruled out going carbon neutral by 2050 by both major parties so they will be with the bad people. The interesting one will be China to see what it does, standby to watch argument developing nations should be special rules.

  14. The central point of this stunt is so obscure that it’s laughable.
    How is it even conveyed with a straight face.
    I’m spending two weeks sailing to America with some dude to promote climate change.
    That’s meaningful or admirable in some way?
    How?
    Good grief. The ease at which the left is presumptuous has reached epic levels.
    If it has any hint of some sort of narrative supporting then the whole group lauds it as substantive.

    I still say Greta will never complete the asinine trip. A week into it a rescue will end it.

  15. Ten people eating and breathing for a two week sea voyage is a lot bigger carbon footprint than the 2/300ths share of a 6 hour jet flight for her and an adult.

  16. Talking about Greta T, has anyone seen anu recent photos, tweets, etc ? Does anyone think the same as me, that she’s not really on the boat?

  17. Here’s a brilliant campaign slogan for Greens and GND proponents:

    “A Yacht in every Pot.”

    The media praise for what this girl is doing is ridiculous. But her plan to avoid the emissions arising from one person’s transatlantic flight, by causing at least TWO while getting someone else to pay for it… that is the kind of forward-looking thoroughness we’ve come to expect from the Green contingent.

    And what journalist has thought beyond the yacht having no bathroom facilities? Yeah, that’s so much better than a six-hour flight on an airliner with holding tanks. To have one person travel one way across the Atlantic, having five people crapping into a chamber pot for two weeks and tossing their excrement into the Atlantic is the new leading by example. I suspect most fish would rather have the plastic straws.

    • Looks to me like they haven’t made particularly good time, though the past 24 hours they sped up considerably. I’m guessing they will be at sea two or three days beyond the estimated two weeks.

    • Is Greta on board?
      Check the track that CD in Wisconsin gave us.
      The boat departed Plymouth, then a short way along the coast, came close by the shore at place called Looe. They turned even with the coast, held the course, then headed directly back out.
      Either they were sightseeing, or they met a boat.

      • Hmmmm….. This morning’s track shows a turn to the south, like they are heading straight for the Azores. Maybe St. Greta has had enough?

  18. For anyone not familiar with virtue signalling, this is probably the best example you can find of someone doing something that has absolutely no effect on the cause they are arguing for. She has probably caused much more CO2 usage overall, just because of her newfound celebrity status. Not that it actually matters…

    It is a real good thing that CO2 is being shown to be such a bit player overall in the scheme of things regarding any actual effect on the climate. I thought that 30 years ago if this CO2 AGW thing was going to be a real problem, we would have seen real adverse effect with CO2 at 415 ppmv on the global climate by 2020, and it only appears we are in a climate optimum the whole time that CO2 is rising the last 40 years. Not to mention the benefit overall to the biosphere with more available CO2 which is indisputable. We can’t even say with any finality what natural variation has been throughout all this, or what the effect of CO2 has been on the climate. Things have never been better, at least with the climate and why we are going on 8 billion people. At the end of the day, the only thing that makes sense is that rising CO2 levels has been in the majority, very good for the planet and the people of the good Earth.

  19. How did Ms TThunberg get to Plymouth? Did the yacht pick her up in Sweden and sail to England? Or did she take the train?

  20. What I noticed was a difference between an interview she had with the BBC and the speeches she’s made. In the former her accent was more noticeable in the former and her speaking wasn’t as fluid. This may be an illusion of course.

  21. Is there a TV feed from the boat? I’m so looking forward to this little wan face lying in its canvas hammock berth having not eaten for three days. Take STUGERON, sweetie, less side effects than KWELLS. (Some may spot that CdeL was once a yottie)

  22. The best they can do for the poor child is taking her to Disneyland once ashore and let her have some fun and relaxation before flying her right home. She might even find more reality there than in the madness she is currently entangled in.

    The parents, teachers and other grown ups responsible for scaring this child (and others) shitless, and pushing her in front of them to induce bad conscience should be charged with gross child neglect and abuse.

    • Interesting that the “We don’t have time” logo appears to be a rehash of the Hammer and Sickle

  23. The whole malarkey has decended into pure farce. There’s also the little question of how Greta and her dad will return home from Santiago. Waiting for another fast sailing boat to come along appears unpractical. So the talk is about hitching a ride on container ships. You know, those giants transporting all those climate-destroying goodies.

    You couldn’t make it up.

  24. As expected, the CBC has published an article on Ste Greta, the sailing virgin: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/greta-thunberg-atlantic-voyage-united-states-1.5249604
    The journalist Susan Ormiston is not investigating much deeper than this:

    “The climate activist from Sweden is both humble and keenly aware of the powerful pulpit she now occupies. In just one year, she’s inspired millions, particularly youth, to rally around a wounded climate.
    She’s met the Pope, addressed European parliaments, chastised CEOs at the World Economic Forum and secured a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize. ”(…)
    “Thunberg began protesting outside the Swedish parliament in August 2018, a solitary figure with a sign and a worry that too few adults she knew were consumed by climate change.”

    Yes, Ormiston is not even questioning that the profile of some supposedly lonely pimpled teen protester could be suddenly raised to world celebrity status in 12 months. Nope, in Ormiston’s world, all this is, well, normal. Try it at home, next time around with your own teen…

    “She arrived in England by train, refusing to fly, eschewing the heavy carbon footprint of air travel. So to cross the Atlantic Ocean, she’s sailing on an 18-metre elite racing yacht, the Malizia II, with two professional skippers, her dad, and a documentary filmmaker.”

    Wearing petroleum derived fiber clothing? No question from Ormiston. Riding a Monaco owned racing yacht -hardly manufactured without its own carbon footprint, nor owned by some uber-class wealthy whose carbon footprint goes through the roof- does not seem to motivate Ormiston’s investigative reflexes.
    The CBC sucking up suggests the documentary film of the Atlantic crossing will likely make it on Canadian taxpayers’ funded official agitprop media.

    “But the winds blowing against Thunberg are also gathering force. And attacks on her in social media are personal.”
    “There are always going to be people who don’t understand or don’t accept the united science, and I will just ignore them because, I mean, I’m only acting and communicating on the science, and if they don’t like that, then, I mean, what have I got to do about that?”

    The “united science”? This is the new brand of science and at 16, without any scientific degree, she knows this IS the truth, and she is “acting”, “communicating” it. She is a tool. But this does not concern Ormiston:

    “Greta and her dad will use a bucket for a toilet and sleep on bunks they can winch up tight against the hull in stormy weather.”

    Greta is sacrificing herself for the good of Mankind (sorry in Trudeau speak Peoplekind) and to save the climate that we loved so much… Thank you Ormiston for this hagiography worthy of apostolic faith.

    “Make America Greta Again.”

    Miss Ormiston’s investigative journalism is as dead as the famous Monty Python parrot. As for the CBC, a member of the ICIJ consortium, its “investigative team” remains famous for having called George Soros office when the name of the billionaire philanthropist appeared in the Paradise papers, just to tell us that their call was not returned, EOM.
    The apple does not fall far from the tree.

  25. Considering the core premise seems to be that anything post industrial revolution is bad, surely this voyage should have been conducted in a replica of an 18th century ship with all the attendant lack of anything remotely civilized. Might instill a dose of reality.

  26. The Owl and the pussy-hat sailed to sea
    in a beautiful carbon free boat
    they took some honey and plenty of money
    wrapped up in a gravy-train coat.

    The Owl looked up at the stars above
    and typed to a small keyboard
    ‘O lovely messiah, my Theta my love’
    What a lovely messiah you are ,
    you are
    What a lovely messiah you are.

    They sailed away, for a year and a day
    To the land where the UN Bong tree grows
    And there in a crowd, talking aloud
    was the Gore with a very large nose
    Gore said to the Owl, ‘you deplorable fowl’
    But how terribly well you sing
    Do not be scoffing, tis time to be troughing

    and they started doing their thing, their thing

    they started doing their thing

  27. When virtue signaling, reality matters not at all.

    Most of the press will concentrate on the trip in the carbon fiber racing yacht and will ignore the crew’s multiple trans-Atlantic flights to allow Greta to virtue signal. The will also ignore the carbon footprint of building that racing yacht.

    I hope Greta does not succumb to sea sickness. Projectile vomit on a racing yacht would be messy.

  28. Yep, they don’t look at the big picture or they dont want us to look at the big picture. Mathematics can be deceiving.

  29. Here about the ship that ran aground carrying a cargo of red paint and black paint?
    The whole crew was marooned.

    • #lamejokes
      Off topic, spamming, thread pollution.

      (Moderators are approving them, so please let it go) SUNMOD

      • I have to confess I actually laughed at that one maybe because there is little in the news (in the UK) to relieve the overpowering sense of imminent disaster from our totally useless politicians.

  30. What if, God forbid, the yacht was dismasted and drifting and the first rescue vessel to arrive to save her was an oil tanker?

  31. How is she getting from the boat to the UN and where is she staying? She should not be making use of any goods and or services that make use of fossil fuels. I always see her wearing clothes that were apparently transported by the us of fossil fuels. How is she going to get back home?

  32. Hm, doesn’t all climate activist come in private jets, just to tell that «we» (meaning you) must stop flying, stop driving cars and go on full vegan diet?

    I must say I respect Gretha for not being a hypocrite – that is a rare sort among the so-called environment activists.

    • Except that she is a hypocrite and much more CO2 will be emitted than if she had simply flown or better yet stayed in Sweden.

      • I don’t see her as a hypocrite. She says the she is not telling people what they cannot do, but she want to show that there are alternatives.

        I find that reasonable.

        Of course, everybody know that that doing exactly the same is not a viable alternative, and using a 60 foot sailboat for a singel passenger is not green, unless you are hitchhiking with it.

        However, it demonstrates that sailing is an alternative.

        Huge passenger sailboats may come back some day.

        Jan

        • Jan Kjetil Andersen

          Not a hypocrite, just badly educated.

          Greta is on the autistic spectrum which usually comes with learning difficulties.

          However, even were she a normal 16 year old she would be highly unlikely to have achieved any meaningful scientific qualifications.

          Therefore, she is wholly unable to question the science of climate change. Much like most other schoolchildren going on ‘strike’ because they have been taught by adults with no ability to critically analyse the science.

          How many teachers do we see on this blog seeking clarification so they can better inform their pupils?

          None I know of.

  33. This trip will bring her closer to nature what she may not have comprehended so far. She will now be able to feel how vast our oceans and atmosphere are. The ocean and land ratio of the world is 3:1. The atmosphere is on top. Troposphere covers upto 18km high. Hence anyone can imagine how much contribution human can make to the whole atmosphere. In the atmosphere, there is enough proportion for water vapour and the rest is air. From that air part, CO2 constitutes only .03%. Again out of that .03% CO2, only a nominal part for anthropogenic CO2.

    Thus her long sea voyage will teach her a very practical lesson- how tiny contribution we human can make to the vastness of nature. Is it possible to see the tiny fossil-fuel CO2 in that vastness?

    It will give her an opportunity for transformation. Hope she will now be able to differentiate between reality and manipulation.

  34. As others,above,comment,this is farce writ large.
    Saint Greta of the Cult of Calamitous Climate is a huge own goal, did the creators of 10-10 contribute their wisdom?
    Stupidity and wilful gullibility of this intensity reaches even the disinterested voter.
    When faced with the fantastic,one can ask themselves;”Could I credibly create this,as a work of fiction?”
    There is no bottom to how low the Climate Cult will go,their lust for power and wealth is insatable.

    Saint Greta of the Carbon Fibre Yacht is parody beyond belief.
    The Press mock themselves as they promote this poor child’s delusion.
    Nothing says Fighting Carbon Pollution like using a Carbon Fibre High Tech Toy.

  35. On the other hand, Mr. Pierre Casiraghi is also a wannabe race driver sponsored by Gazprom, car collector and frequent miles private jet flyer with that much biz-jet and helicopter charter outlets on speed dial.

    He’s also a kingpin of Monacair, the main helicopter operator and VIP carrier of Monaco.

    So yes, he needs some virtue signaling to keep kerosene flowing.

    • Look at Mann’s Twitter picture. He cuts off a significant portion of his balding head (talk about hiding the decline). I believe this is Freudian.

  36. I am currently building a custom made yacht for Greta which will alleviate any concerns regarding its construction techniques and materials used.

    The hull will be made from used latte stirring sticks that I am collecting from inner city trendy cafes and I have 20 kg already but need another 20 tonnes, donations welcomed.

    The sticks will be stuck together with glue made from whale blubber mixed with pulveridpsed yak hooves. The sails will be constructed from the lining of Patagonian goat intestines stitched together with hair from the tails of Egyptian trotting wildebeest.

  37. She’s got a typical leftist sneer of authority on it’s face. She’ll make a good leftist ‘squad-like’ candidate some day.

  38. I think there is too much talk about Greta and too little talk about children in general. I find it very worrying that children are being taught such dubious “science” at school. It’s making them afraid of the future.

    • dunnooo
      August 18, 2019 at 3:21 pm

      Yes, that’s right…this is the real tragedy in all the non-science being preached.
      So if the current schoolkids aren’t getting fed decent science the whole mess just propagates into the next generation.

      BTW, what comes after Generation Z? Do we start on numbers, superscripts or go backwards until we get Gen A? Who made up that nonsense anyway?

  39. Couldn’t they have installed 2 giant zip wires, one to travel there amd one to travel back using just gravity?

    • What did the judge tell the dentist? I want the tooth,the whole tooth and nothing but the tooth.

  40. Nobody has yet answered the question: is she sailing back return as well?

    After the initial sail, she might not want to do it twice.

    Then there is flying the crew back home at the end.

  41. “What I noticed was a difference between an interview she had with the BBC and the speeches she’s made. In the former her accent was more noticeable in the former and her speaking wasn’t as fluid. This may be an illusion of course.”

    If she really does suffer from selective mutism it is surprising that she can make speeches at all. AIUI people with selective mutism find it far more difficult to talk to strangers than to members of their own family.

  42. Most graphite fiber starts as polyacrylonitrile, which is made from acrylonitrile, which is made from propylene, which is made from propane. Polyacrylonitrile is burned to produce strands of graphite. The resin holding the fibers together is probably epoxy or vinyl ester resin. Again, made from oil or gas. The irony is overwhelming. Even if she took a wooden ship, it is sealed with pitch, which is another petroleum product. So is the varnish and paint. Clearly these people never had a chemistry class, nor can they read.

  43. “… All jet travel is allowable for Saints if they say Heil-Greta 50 times, and pay $1,000 per Soul into the UN Treasury. All major credit cards are accepted. …”

    – Infallible Decree of Pope António Guterres, His Excellency and Supreme Overlord of the UN Citadel, Planet Earth, August 19, 2019.

    “… Live short and prosper a lot less. …”

    – Planetary Motto adopted by the Supreme Imperial Highness Al Gore, August 18th, 2019, on a private jet somewhere between Heathrow and LaGuardia whilst masticating on a savory gibbon and ostrich-liver kabab.

    “… I actually see carbon. …”

    – Greta Thunberg, August 17th, 2019, looking at paint-chips whilst hanging her butt over the gunwale feeding the fish.

  44. Gretta, the obvious solution to your dilemma of not wanting to produce a carbon footprint by going to the conference is…DON’T GO!

    For crying out loud, this is 2019, we have video conferencing. There’s no need for you to be there, there’s no need for you to speak, you’re not going to say anything you haven’t already said, but if you really feel the need to speak, practice what you preach and do it from home.

  45. All is lost. We have reduced ourselves to debating with idiot 16 year olds about science and economics. Enjoy the mess you have created, millenials.

  46. Teleconference Greta? Dial in? Those of us in the REAL world who work for a business that might be reluctant to fly someone to attend an international workshop or conference for a particular reason could (shock horror) dial in! But of course not – your puppeteers are still pulling those strings and want to keep this pantomime go just a little longer to top up their pension funds.

    Pathetic – just pathetic. Just the sort of thing a teenager would do (wait what?!)

    • As I pointed out on another thread, I was in a technical/handover Skype meeting last year between Australia and India, distance was over 10,000kms. No excuse to fly!

  47. Greta could save all the hypocrisy of the crew flying to New York to sail the boat back by simply sailing the boat back herself, and/or taking the crew with her on her way to New York.

    But maybe several weeks at sea and a few storms would be a good education for this young crusader/explorer. Sailing across the Atlantic is HARD and DANGEROUS, and lots of people have died trying over the centuries. It was less than 100 years ago that Lindbergh first flew across the Atlantic (in the other direction), but after a harrowing experience at sea, little Greta might think it’s not so evil to burn a few hundred gallons of kerosene so that she can fall asleep on a plane leaving New York and wake up in Sweden.

  48. It’s not a problem, some rich person will pay climate indulgences to atone for her climate sins. That makes it okay.

    It’s important to remember that you can create all of the excess carbon emissions you want as long as you can afford the climate indulgences so you don’t have to feel any guilt.

  49. Greta Thunberg was recently overheard arranging a berth for herself on a ship heading to Antarctica, on a “great berg hunt”, it was claimed. All her belongings she packed in a single rucksack – she called it her “green truth bag”. At the media send-off she trotted out robotically “the urgent brag” about impending climate disaster and coercing climate obedience from all. Some were heard muttering the term “green brat thug”, a none too complimentary epithet for the sweet climate crusader. On and on she moralised about saving the world – more than one had clearly heard it all too many times. Let “the bugger rant”, one was heard muttering.

    A cousin of hers, Gareth Nutberg, was sailing with her, apparently, along with his toddler half-sisters, Grunt Hateberg and Ruth Grebegnat. Once embarked and on the open sea, certain universals of sea faring soon manifested themselves on the ship’s aft deck as alcoholic beverages appeared as if by magic and the “beer truth gang” sang loudly in out-of-tune Swedish late into the night. Shouting over this inebriated cacophony, the ship’s cook Hatter Eggburn together with the medical orderly, Reg Bungthreat, tried to give a speech about good eating and digestive health on board ship, but no-one paid much attention.

  50. In related news, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, aka Prince Harry and Meghan, have been criticised for spoiling their green credentials by taking several private jets for weekends away.

    That well-known eco-warrior, Elton John, has sprung to their defence by explaining that it was his private jet, and that he has paid to offset all the associated carbon emissions (whatever that means – I’m sure he doesn’t know)

  51. Have they taken into account that people will see this for what it is – a stupid, ill-thought out stunt that can backfire? Bob Brown (the head greenie in Australia) did a road trip, with like-minded people, in cars from Tasmania to the coal fields of QLD to protest fossil fuels just before the Federal Election. This has been cited as one of the major reasons the Australian Labor Party (who suck up to the greens for preferential votes) lost QLD. Bob and his cohorts are so disliked cash strapped pubs in drought stricken towns would not even sell them a counter lunch . The kicker is, he is all for renewables (wind power etc) until it comes to his backyard and then the wind towers are unacceptable as they are eyesores, kill birds etc.

  52. It’s her parents I feel sorry for….I thought my kids could be a trial, but…..that’s above and beyond the duty of parenthood.

  53. No one really understands the inner core meaning of Greta Thunberg’s decision. Let’s only think about her now, because this is about her, not about anyone else. Her trip over the Atlantic is zero carbon emission free, both for her and all the passengers onboard. If she would have opted for a jet plane or the available transatlantic cruise ships the emissions would be huge. It is at the same time symbolic – she stands as an example for all of us, this was her own choice and the only environment friendly alternative to travel over the Atlantic – and she wants to teach all those, who brainlessly flies around the world all the time, that this madness has to stop. Flying not only produces massive carbon emissions but also wide spread chemical poison damage at the airports servicing the planes. Instead of nagging and complaining, let us all get clever & climate smart: take good example from her!

  54. No one really understands the inner core meaning of Greta Thunberg’s decision. Let’s only think about her now, because this is about her, not about anyone else. Her trip over the Atlantic is zero carbon emission free, both for her and all the passengers onboard. If she would have opted for a jet plane or the available transatlantic cruise ships the emissions would be huge. It is at the same time symbolic – she stands as an example for all of us, this was her own choice and the only environment friendly alternative to travel over the Atlantic – and she wants to teach all those, who brainlessly flies around the world all the time, that this madness has to stop. Flying not only produces massive carbon emissions but also wide spread chemical poison damage at the airports servicing the planes. Instead of nagging and complaining, let us all get clever & climate smart: take good example from her!

  55. The need to make AGW ‘not real’ is becoming more desperate, pathetic and baffling all the time. Hat’s off to Greta and all who join her in this fight against the collective ignorance and lies of denial.

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