Quote of the Week: Greta Thunberg claims to be able to “see” carbon dioxide in the air

Greta Thunberg in front of the Swedish parliament in Stockholm, August 2018 – image: Wikipedia

At first, I thought this had to be a joke. Then I thought it must be some sort of misinterpretation. Sadly, no.

From the website Afrinik, quoting the book –Scener ur hjärtat by Malena Ernman, Svante Thunberg

According to her mother Malena Ernman (48), 16-year-old Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg can see CO2 with the naked eye. She writes that in the book ‘Scenes from the heart. Our life for the climate’, which she wrote with her family.

Greta was diagnosed as a child with obsessive-compulsive disorder and Asperger’s syndrome, just like her younger sister Beata. The activist also has a photographic memory. She knows all the capitals by heart and can list all the chemical elements of the periodic table within one minute. In addition, she has another gift according to her mother.

“Greta is able to see what other people cannot see,” writes Malena Ernman in the book.

“She can see carbon dioxide with the naked eye. She sees how it flows out of chimneys and changes the atmosphere in a landfill.”

Of course, with a ~ 410 parts per million concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere, we know that is a physical impossibility. Carbon Dioxide is a colorless and odorless gas:

https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/carbon_dioxide#section=ICSC-Number

It also does not reflect or absorb any light within the light spectrum that humans can see. Even if Greta had some special ability to see into the near infrared, the absorption spectrum of CO2 is far removed from the human range of color sensitivity.

Source:
http://www.ces.fau.edu/nasa/module-2/how-greenhouse-effect-works.php

But, this claim underscores how bizarre her activism has become, and people seem to want to look the other way instead of questioning her abilities and cognitive understanding of the information she professes to know.

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277 thoughts on “Quote of the Week: Greta Thunberg claims to be able to “see” carbon dioxide in the air

  1. Greta Thunberg possesses powers beyond ordinary Mortals. Like Superman, she can leap tall buildings in a single bound. One look at her beady little eyes and you just know that she can see all that CO2 and it’s leaking just everywhere.

      • If Greta Thunberg can see the 400 PPM of CO2 in the air, then the 4% (40,000 PPM) of CO2 in her exhaled breath must be opaque and render her incapable of seeing beyond her nose.

          • Easily verifiable…
            5 bottles with All CO2 scrubbed
            5 bottles with 400 ppm CO2 ambient levels
            1 bottle with 800 ppm CO2
            1 bottle with 40,000 ppm CO2.
            She should be able to perfectly place the bottles in their respective order from zero to 40,000 ppm.

        • I first heard this a couple of weeks ago and that was my firs thought also.
          On reflection maybe that’s why she is convinced it’s so dangerous, because it interferes with her vision?
          What a farce, but a dangerous one and obviously an attempt to reboot the failing CAGW scam.
          One other oddity, why is this 16 year old dressed and her hair styled so she looks like she is eight?

          • Please bear in mind , before getting too technical, that she has been brought up in an age where the press has been full of photos of condensing water vapour coming out of cooling towers and chimney stacks against a setting sun and labelled as “dirty CO2”.

            When she looks up at the sky as sees a cloud, she probably thinks it is a cloud of CO2 holding in all that heat.

          • Those squinty eyes sure look like they can see WAY into the future. So if she says we are going to go extinct, who am I to argue with a mere innocent child?

          • “She sees how it flows out of chimneys”.
            One little problem: CO2 is denser than air so its flow down.

          • One little problem: CO2 is denser than air so its flow down.

            Really? Do you have a ref for that?

            You may like to consider how hot the CO2 is as it comes out and whether it is still less dense than the ambient air. Then you need to look into gas diffusion and turbulence. If CO2 “flows down” because it is denser then all of us a low altitude would suffocate ! Thing about it.

          • Flue gas (including CO2) is lighter than air because it is hotter than the surrounding air, lowering the density. It’s called “the stack effect.”

          • I think someone has decided to make her look as young as possible. Which, to my mind, is rather sick and very disturbing.

            As for seeing Co2, how does she know it is Co2 that she us seeing?

            This is getting even more bizarre and, frankly, concerning. She is an abused child.

        • If Greta Thunberg can see the 400 PPM of CO2 in the air, then the 4% (40,000 PPM) of CO2 in her exhaled breath must be opaque and render her incapable of seeing beyond her nose.

          Hey, haven’t you notice that she is always squinting? The poor child can hardly see where she is going.

    • It’s not that uncommon for smart folks to sense things average people can’t. We had a couple of professors who wouldn’t come near their offices during an asbestos removal in a basement mechanical room because they could smell asbestos in the air. Their secretaries then smelled it also and got paid leave.

        • Easy folks, When an abatement is carried out,the entire area is sealed off with plastic and put under a negative pressure by fans pulling through HEPA filtration. Once clean, the surfaces are sprayed with a chemical sealant which has a very strong odor. That, along with the huge amount of 6 mil plastic needed and the very sticky tape that holds it in place create the odors associated with asbestos abatements. If asbestos actually had a smell it would be much more detectable in the air.
          We always air monitored the university’s abatement projects beyond the minimum requirements and the tests all came back negative for air contamination.
          My intent was to show the fear that these people had of something they knew little about, and I guess I might have found some here, no?

      • If CO2 had a smell it could be detected.

        I’m not a smart person, but since I know what asbestos smells like, I could probably detect asbestos in a PPM amount.

        Apples and Oranges. This is about delusion, not science.

      • “Their secretaries then smelled it also and got paid leave.”

        I’m Brian, and so is my wife !

        If I thought it would get me some paid leave, I’m sure I could even smell CO2.

      • Wow, Pop, a new low. Asbestos is a particle, certainly does not have a smell. It is toxic in large concentrations in air, demonized in small concentrations. Number of school children who ever got mesothelioma? Zero, office workers and professors, also zero. ALL the cancers were in people who worked directly with the material.

        My dad and I made a lot of money from respiratory protection equipment for asbestos removal workers, so I know whereof I speak.

        • True, there is a lot of hysteria about this. Today, one must have “special forces” personell to remove any building part with even a tiny amount of asbestos.

          In my childhood, we put fibre cement cladding panels on the weatherboard facades, they contained quite a bit of asbestos. After some years it went out of fashion and we removed them, and we kids had great fun making a bonfire in the garden and throwing the plates into the flames. They exploded with a very satisfactory bang, and disintegrated into lots of sharp fragments, very much like real shrapnel. No casualties from the asbestos, though.

          • People who got sick typically would have been exposed to loose fibers. Construction workers insulating Liberty ships in WWII had “snowball” fights with the fibers. Lots of them ended up ill.

          • My previous house was over 60 years old when I bought it. It had a Super66 roof, meaning it was made of asbestos. It had asbestos walls, and even the old oven had asbestos bricks as insulation inside it.

            I lived in that house for 20 years, and I’m sure the family before me grew up all safe and well. The roof cavity was dusty, so I didn’t trust the dust up there, suspecting that the asbestos fibers may be flaking over the years. So I and any electrician that came along would wear a mask in the roof. Otherwise I had zero worry about the stuff.

      • They may have been able to smell a fixer or glue that was used to produce the fibre board [if that is where it was] that contained the asbestos. Their secretaries would be able to smell it as well as they would be more competent in every way compared with the professors they worked for.

        If the profs can get a couple of days off so can we.

    • Greta can apparently be real helpful scouting the trail that our bar-tending congresswoman is blazing until it is too late in 12 years and we all look like toast.

      • Very subtle!
        We test the portable gas monitors (after the “official” calibration routine at each startup cycle) by blowing into the [sensor tube]. Should get a low O2 alarm (due to high CO2 percentages) and (if the welder is a smoker) CO high alarms just by exhaling, the natural “exhaust” from a person’s lungs.

    • Well, when it’s really cold, I can see my breath.
      I don’t think I could isolate the C02, though.

      • Meanwhile in the real Sweden outside this bubble we are getting a white blanket of snow on green trees and plants. This in the warm south, and at freezing we can indeed see our breath…

        We had well over 20 deg C last week, now it has fallen to 0. Forecast a few days ago did not predict this. I guess this in the narrative of the climate church is the climate disruption. Global warming initiating the next glaciation.

        I think this craze is worse than the one Sweden contributed to through our frenological theories to Europe a century ago.

    • She also sees DEAD people.

      Did they say she is 16? She looks to be about the age of a 5th grader. The biggest problem with the looney left is they tend to invest so much wisdom into undeveloped minds.

    • Please include proof , along with your sarcasm, that as you claim, Greta can not see CO2.

      [Bull. She’s one human in several billion to make the claim. The onus is on her to prove she CAN. Humans just aren’t made that way, and nobody else living or dead has made such an asinine claim.

      “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” – Carl Sagan.

      So far she has nothing. In contrast, the graph above of spectrum shows humans can’t see Infrared, and the spectrum of CO2 absorptivity is in the far infrared, far away from human vision.

      You have nothing but whining, bugger off – Anthony]

      • Your passive aggressive attempt at showing some type of parallel logic sucks.

        I can see, with my eye, both the CO2 density & the energy flux associated with the changing CO2 density. And I can assure you that the energy flux (with respect to changing density) has not varied in any significant way in the last 12 years.

        Prove me wrong ….

        • Science proved you wrong before you were born, you have yet to prove your claim.

          Have a nice day

    • it is sad to see Greta being abused by the Climate Cult! Shame on the Left!

    • I can do it with an FTIR when there’s a dynamic event cause a red/green shift.

    • I can do it with an FTIR when there’s a dynamic event cause a red/green shift.

    • Ha, she’s got nothing on me.

      I see stupid people . . . they’re everywhere . . . they walk around like everyone else . . . they don’t even know they’re dumb. (With apologies to M. Night Shyamalan and his movie “The Sixth Sense,” and all those that have morphed before me.)

    • nicholas tesdorf

      How dare you mock a budding climate scientist, Ms Greeta Thornberg !

      I can also see CO2.

      Everyone can.

      I saw CO2 in my soda pop yesterday.

      It looked like clear bubbles.

      Naturally those clear bubbles of CO2 are hard to see in the atmosphere, but that doesn’t mean they are always invisible.

      Perhaps to reduce the CO2 levels in the atmosphere we should buy all the soda pop we can afford, bring the cases home, and never open the cans / bottles ?

      For those people who have garages — remove the cars, and other junk — then fill up your garages with cases of unopened soda pop … and your garage will become a “CO2 sink”. And maybe a tax write-off too ?

      That’s such a good idea, I think I’ll apply for a Nobel Prize — where do I send my application ? Maybe I can get Greeta Thornberg to sponsor me ?

    • That’s nothing new to specific people. There are visual spectrum test books who show colors and spectrum relativ color, schematically ordered pieces. FOR SAMPLE CARBON MONOXIDE AND DIOXIDE LOOK LIKE HOT GLOWING AIR, TO ME…

  2. No, it is not a faulty translation. It actually says so in the book.

    Her mother apparently has mild Asperger’s as well.

    Incidentally it must be problematic to be able to see CO2 since your own breath (50,000 ppm) will presumably block your vision.

    • Psychiatric fact is that autistic thinking is one of “Bleuler’s four A’s” – i.e. one of the symptoms of human insanity (schizophrenia). Thought processes in autism are determined by unconscious mental complexes rather than by reality. Thunberg also, as it happens, is exactly the age when schizophrenia usually appears.

      Now, I am not saying she is insane – but ………………….

      • Andy,
        As you may well know, autism is permanent and has a genetic link whereas schizophrenia is an illness that develops. The two are quite different and you cannot infer, as you clearly do, that an autistic person like Greta May well develop schizophrenia. “Autistic thinking” traits can be associated with schizophrenia but that does not make the affected individuals autistic any more than you and I if we exhibited autistic type thinking on some issue or other.

        • You are absolutely right. Perhaps it was wrong of me to hint that. In any case, Thunberg has every right to speak out – and the rest of us have every right to listen to her and to form our ideas of her and her opinions. I happen to disagree with her – but that is irrelevant, of course.

          The connection between autism and schizophrenia is not at all clear – but there is no doubt the two conditions are out of the same drawer, so to speak. They are both genetically caused, both mysterious and inexplicable – and both permanent. And the combinations of genes behind the two conditions are undoubtedly of crucial importance to humankind. Neither of them are illnesses proper – but an integral part of being Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

          Thanks for pulling me up on this.

          • Mr Espersen

            Autism is described as an ‘illness’ merely because human crave normality and a current population has different brain wiring.

            You might as well say that taking orders to go and kill foreign strangers is an illness, an incredibly common one in the 19th and 2th centuries, especially in Europe and the USA.

            You might as well say that alpha thuggishness is an illness as it achieves nothing other than frustrate everyone else and lower the entire world to whatever primitive level those alphas exist at.

            Autistic Spectrum Brain Witing is very useful in exposing common delusions simply because high functioning autistics do not submit to authority without good reason. It is not saying all AS carriers can perform such useful things, but it is saying they are a resource of value in that regard.

            The reality of ASD is that their potential is as yet unknown because ‘normals’ currently are too insecure to let them flourish in the main. The computer era favours ASDs in many ways and ‘normals’ do not like it.

            It is high time that ‘normals’ had all their weaknesses brutally badged as an ‘illness’ and let them descend into depressions badged as weirdo geek freaks.

            See how they like it.

          • Rhys Jaggar – But I clearly stated that I do NOT consider autism an illness.

        • Poor Greta. If it really is true that her mother has led her to believe she can see co2, IMO, this is bordering on being a case for the local child welfare authorities. Does Greta perhaps think she will only reach the age of 28, unless the world cuts dramatically in its emissions, bringing on doomsday in 12 years from now? Imagine what a horrible fear this can induce in the young girl’s mind, especially if the person has a mental condition where things are too easily seen by their face value. One can only hope that she at some point emerges from this nightmare, but on the other hand, considering what problematic effect this could have on her family relations, maybe one should not hope for it, after all.

          • Except that autistic people don’t usually see things “by their face value” – quite the opposite, in fact.

    • It may be a literal translation but an incorrect interpretation.

      She may be saying she can see CO2 in the air by its effects.
      Just like we can see the wind by the moving of the trees.

      (Although attribution is easier in that case.)

      • so she can “see” 0.1 deg of warming since she was a toddler? Or can she “see” a polar vortex or cyclone energy with here bare eyes.

        Maybe she can see cosmic rays too.

        • Yes she can, when wearing Cosmic Ray Ban. At least, until cosmic rays are banned.

      • Similar to a waving hand causing air movement, wind is created by the trees moving rather than wind moving the trees.

        This is just as valid an argument as the CAGW CO2/temp connection.

        /sarc

    • I found this claim, that I find hard to fathom since it still doesn’t make sense anyway:

      Greta’s mother creates clarity: “Passage about ‘seeing CO2’ was figuratively intended”

      “In a book about her family, climate activist Greta Thunberg’s mother writes: “Greta is one of the few people who can recognize our carbon dioxide with the naked eye. She sees how greenhouse gases flow from our chimneys, rise to the sky through the wind and turn our atmosphere into a gigantic, invisible heap of waste.”

      and this howler since they used the words NAKED EYE,

      “That is why we contacted the publisher of the book in Sweden. “I was shocked by the commotion in Germany, Belgium and now also in Italy,” he says. “I can assure you that it is a metaphor; if you read the entire passage, end it with the tale of “The New Emperor’s Clothes” by Christian Anderson. So it is certainly not literal.” In a text message, the mother also says that it is only about imagery.”

      https://www.afrinik.com/gretas-mother-creates-clarity-passage-about-seeing-co2-was-figuratively-intended/

      • I thought the story of Greta Thurnberg sounded vaguely familiar. Attached is the history of Opal Whiteley. A savant child in Oregon who had a gift for memorization and nature. Her autobiography was a bestseller, if controversial. It it quite fun to read actually, if always with the understanding that it may have only one foot in the truth.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_Whiteley

      • (When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”)

      • Yes, “Greta’s mother creates clarity”; quite the contrary, I would say. Looks like she now understands how this weird claim weakens the campaign and cause of herself and of her daughter, and so she backs down. But it is not convincing, the original claim is so weird, it is very hard to see it as a metaphor.

      • Greta’s mother creates clarity:

        Political damage control language. Declaring that she DID create clarity by changing what she had previously written. Sounds more like creating confusing, than clarity.

        Greta’s mother ATTEMPTS to create clarity, by walking back what she previously wrote when she was told how stupid and unequivocally wrong it was. Ooops.

  3. More visions at Fatima? (sigh)
    If rational thinkers need another “sign” regarding these charlatans, shame on us.

  4. I guess when you’ve morphed some kind of a deity in the eyes of people who have formed a cult around you, then you can do all kinds of things that mere humans cannot do. Like the children in that movie “Village of the Damned.”

  5. No shame in their game. They found someone with mental challenges and made her a poster child for AGW.

  6. In other words the parents are using a child their child with OCD and asperger’s .
    To destroy the world that can help them. Rleagating them to th ekitchen in the “big House’ or if it goes too far the Harem..

    • Where can I sign up for her go-fund-me account? I’d drive my diesel 40 miles (smoking all the way) to be able to sign up!

  7. Did GT say she can see carbon dioxide, or did her mother say GT can see carbon dioxide? Somehow I think her parents are the weirdos here.

    On the other hand, the MSM often presents photos of smoke billowing from smokestacks with the caption implying it’s the evil carbon dioxide. It’s easy to get confused if you aren’t careful.

    • Not even smoke. Steam from cooling towers is their go-to for showing evil CO2. (There is a slight excuse there, as H2O is of course the major “greenhouse” gas. Not that the evaporation from all of the cooling towers in the world budges the amount in the air by even one part per million.)

  8. “It also does not reflect or absorb any light withing the spectrum that humans can see. Even if Greta had some special ability to see into the near infrared, the absorption spectrum of CO2 is far removed from the human range of color sensitivity.”

    High Elves have 60 foot infravision… throw 2 D6 for charisma score….

    • “High Elves have 60 foot infravision… throw 2 D6 for charisma score….”

      That would give you a VERY low cha for an elf.

        • Exactly.
          Methane has no odor.
          It needs to have an odorant added for safety, prior to distribution to consumers.
          Typically a mix of different chemicals are used, as for any given one, there is a significant number of people who cannot smell it at all.
          Back when Nat Geo used to be a real science publication, they did a study where they included a scratch and sniff sheet in an issue, containing many separate items.
          Readers were asked to scratch and sniff each one and report the results.
          There was no single chemical or scent that everyone was able to detect, and the degree to which people perceived them all varied significantly.
          Also, which scents people found pleasant and which were perceived as unpleasant varied quite a bit as well.
          Some people were very surprised by these results, having the idea in their minds that we all perceive the world the same way via our senses.
          This of course is completely untrue: The is huge variation in how the world is perceived across all of our senses and every population.
          Some cannot see certain colors, some cannot taste certain flavors, some hate the taste of things that other people love, some cannot smell things very well, and some perceive nearly all taste and odors. Having this ability is a two edged sword, with benefits and drawbacks: It can limit the range of food items a person can ingest without become ill, but it can also prevent potential problems such as food poisoning, etc.
          Some people have hybrid senses, such as synesthesia, which is when the senses overlap, and people can smell colors, hear shapes, taste words, and all sorts of other strange things.
          Some drugs can induce an artificial state of synesthesia, such as the “hallucinogens” LSD-25, psilocybin, mescaline, etc. Given what we know about people who naturally have various abilities, are the changes that occur with such drugs truly hallucinations? Maybe not always.
          It gets really weird and counterintuitive when one investigates such phenomenon as phantom limbs, not to mention the crazy way some people have been cured of the perception of having painfully twisted and distorted phantom limbs.
          Still, although I am sure that some people have senses that range outside what most people can perceive (Know it for a fact – I used to be able to hear things that no one else I knew could hear, very faint and/or high pitched sounds), I am equally sure that this girl cannot smell CO2.
          The edges of crazy are some very strange places.

          • +1 for a intelligent comment. In mines ,firedamp ( methane) is undetectable except with canaries, Faraday lamps ( improved) and electronic measurements. Unsmellable but can have debilitating effects on humans, I refer to the testimony of a digger on the Abbeystead disaster who complained of headaches whilst tunnelling through Carboniferous rocks.

    • Lots of people confuse ozone with CO2… It’s easy to smell ozone, but CO2… 😉

  9. All she has to do is look behind her car or jet and see all the C02 she is emitting, and it comes out of her chimney at home and out of the coal power plant that sends her electricity.

  10. “According to her mother…”

    Yet another child exploited by adults intent on causing harm.

  11. When you attend the AGW church you can see a lot of things us normal folk cannot.

    • I am intrigued by this theory of being able to see CO2 as bubbles in beer. But to be truly scientific it will require much testing. Maybe I could get a grant for the study if I wrote it as being related to Climate Crises Change.

      ~¿~

  12. Let’s not jump to conclusions till she start’s to heal lepers and stop the tides. Then it may require some adult intervention and a hearty dose of skepticism. For now let her see CO2 wherever she looks – this “skill” doesn’t differentiate her from hordes of other climate catastrophe fanatics, nor from those who find the future engraved in their tea leaves or the local paper’s astrology column.

  13. I’ve got a photographic memory too, just ask me how many beers are left in the fridge and their exact positions 🙂

  14. This very much appears to resemble the old “Freak Show” efforts of the carnivals of the past.

  15. Of course climate alarmists look the other way. They have formed a cult and Greta is the new high-princess and no abilities are beyond her.

  16. And the optics of this doesnt worry the Carb Teamsters? It is a demonstration of the harm political correctness does. They daren’t call this silly because this is a handicapped … er something or other challenged person. Only an ill delusional child has free speech. Ms Ernman seems a piece of work! The Children’s Aid Agency would take the child away from exploitive, fame-seeking parents if it wasnt a PC sanctioned exercise. I have concerns that what’s to follow for the child’s wellbeing when it all falls apart could be disatrous. Surely no rational person believes we are really going to do anything significant about this climate fad.

  17. That’s amazing, considering that CO2 is an invisible and tasteless gas that represents only hundreds particles out of every million. We really should be putting her special talents to better use than as a tool for the fascist globalists.

  18. Greta could be a useful diagnostic instrument, provided of course her observations are confirmed. Maybe as a sensor on a satellite /sarc in case it’s not obvious.

  19. Will some journalist please ask her to nominate what percentage of CO2 is in the air?
    Since it really is only 4 molecules for every 10,000 molecules of air, how the devil does she see it?

  20. Confirmed, women are from Venus, where you can see the supercritical CO2.

  21. OK…it’s time to put this puppet out to pasture. These people just get dumber and dumber by the minute. We are dealing with clear mental illness here.

  22. If only she used her skills for good instead of evil………….appologies to Maxwell Smart

    • Maxwell Smart: Would you believe…. Greta sees CO2 with the naked eye
      Skeptics: I find that hard to believe
      Maxwell Smart: Would you believe…. Greta sees CO2 while wearing sunglasses
      Skeptics: No
      Maxwell Smart: How about Greta sees her sister Beata in a row boat?

  23. This would be quite easy to test, just have say 50 small air hoses emitting a steady stream of gas (you would want to use a reasonable number to limit the chances of choosing the correct one by luck alone). One of them is emitting concentrated CO2 (maybe even pure CO2), the rest are emitting normal air, or Nitrogen gas, or something other than CO2.

    If she can actually see CO2, she would have no trouble identifying the hose that is emitting the gas.

    I feel somewhat sorry for Greta, she is being used by her parents and by the CAGW community to push a political cause that she cannot possibly understand. She may well be doing this voluntarily as she sees it (which is a bit differently due to her various issues), but the extent to which she actually understands what she’s doing is not apparent and as with almost everyone who sets out to change the world, she will end up causing far more damage than she abates. The world is a mighty complicated place.

  24. I see things, too. All those rods & cones look like teensy-weensy beads. They’re fascinating.

    At what point does this stop being vaguely silly and become abuse?

  25. I can smell greenhouse gases too, especially those associated with methane. I can sense the gases with no difficulty in an enclosed space such as a lift. Others may be able to sense these gases too, but out of political correctness, they pretend not to sense them.

    • Sorry to burst your bubble, but those “aromatics” (associated with digestion) are mostly sulfur gases, e.g., Hydrogen Sulfide, Sulfur Dioxide,…

      (Chemists, am I correct?)

      • And they are, as a matter of fact, greenhouse gases, like almost all gases with more than two atoms in the molecule.

      • Indeed. Methane is odorless and colorless. The methane that gets released in “lifts” and other human occupied enclosed spaces, is not pure methane. Any smells are from the other substances (such as hydrogen sulfide for that distinctive “rotten egg” smell) that is mixed in with the methane.

  26. I suspect that she sees the optical phenomenon of light passing through a warm air stream.

  27. I suspect that she sees the optical phenomenon of light passing through a warm air stream.

    • My suspicion as well. I do think she’s an honest child that’s just being abused by her parents.
      She sees heat waves over a chimney and thinks she’s seeing CO2. Parents don’t tell her otherwise, probably too dumb to understand what is really happening.
      She never mentions the CO2 coming out of people’s noses, because it isn’t hot enough to “see”.
      I suspect you could fool her with an electrical heater in a fireplace, creating waves that she’d think was CO2 coming out of the chimney.

  28. This young girl continues to remind me of Henry Miller’s “The Crucible” and the true believers will hang on her every utterance. We are in for some interesting times.

  29. If not Miller’s “The Crucible” how ’bout Asimov’s Mule in the Foundation series?

    • I tried to read Foundation on two occasions. I really tried, but it was so boring I only managed about 40 pages. I wish I had the fortitude to read it as it often gets mentioned as a great series.

  30. I sense Children of the Corn are here.

    But then again, what is rational behavior when all life on the planet will end in 12 years.

  31. “see” carbon dioxide in the air??? Never mind seeing it – I have to machete my way through it when I step out my front door – WHERE’S MY INTERVIEW WITH THE UK GOVT????

  32. She’s the “Joan of Arc” of climate change!!

    Either that, or one of the twins from “The Shining”.

    • I was thinking the same thing. No one knows what led Joan to see visions of the saints telling her to seek out the Crown – assuring her that only she could save the kingdom. But self-deluding scenarios like that come from somewhere. How’s this for a guess: Joan was steeped in the Christian ethos and stories of the saints, likely from a charismatic teacher or parent. If Greta Thunberg is full of it, we should take a look at the people in her life who put it there.

  33. Simple experiment to test her skills: several vents, pumping ordinary air upward, 20 meters away. At random, turn on a CO2 injection to one or more of the vents, and see if she spots it. Let science rule.

    • I’m afraid that the authorities who could charge anyone with child abuse have already been co-opted, so there is no help there.

      Kinda like the city council of Clearwater, Florida…

  34. Greta reminds me of either Miller’s “The Crucible” or Asimov’s Mule character in his “Foundation” trilogy.

    (let’s see if this post actually appears on WUWT or sits in limbo for hours)

  35. Easy to test. Get 10 identical test tubes on a carousel, all comprised of various colorless gases and 1 of the 10 CO2. If she can see CO2 she will pick it out every time. Have her pick the one she says is CO2. Turn her back spin the carousel have her pick the CO2. If she cannot do this correctly at least 8 times out of ten, her super power is disproved. Chanes are she will do no better than random chance 0 to 3 times out of ten.

    If she has no superpower to see CO2 she is not a Greenie prophet, have her walk the plank off a Greenpeace ship in the middle of the Arctic sea. If she has the superpower then I vote for the Green New Deal and choke on my own CO2.

  36. The credit (blame?) for all this goes to the mother. She’s an adult with a fully-formed brain. She should know better. She has projected her strange ideas on her trusting and gullible daughter who’s still in a critical formative stage of brain development.

    • She’s (the mother) an adult with a fully-formed brain

      Objection: assumes facts not in evidence as the lawyers would say.

  37. Dopamine allele polymorphism(s) of dopamine receptor D2 gene might induce hallucinations. There would be elevated dopamine breakdown byproducts in the cerebrospinal fluid (not blood) if so.

  38. I can see really stupid people…does that count? And even worse, I hear them.

    All I have to do is turn on the TV and there they are, all talking and spewing nonsense on so-called news channels. There for a while I did not think I could ever make it stop, and then I discovered the MUTE button, and the channel change button, and then most helpful of all, the OFF button. Now it is I who have the power to stop their insistent chatter, at least inside the safe area called my house.

    They mostly come out at night…mostly.

  39. “She can see carbon dioxide with the naked eye. She sees how it flows out of chimneys and changes the atmosphere in a landfill.”

    Like many she looks but does not understand. Smart as she is, it’s likely she’s being misinformed.

    The smog from landfills is so pronounced it’s visible from outer space. Many of them are literally on fire.

    NASA images of Mumbai landfill fire:
    https://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=87429

    If kids are told that the vapor pouring from power station chimneys is smoke, they believe it.

    Maybe it’s mom who wants attention.

    • “Maybe it’s mom who wants attention.”

      Parents need charging with child abuse.

    • Actually “landfill” is Googletranslatyish. The original swedish “soptipp” is best translated as “garbage dump”. And there really is no doubt that at least Greta’s mother believes that Greta can really see CO2.

  40. “ Holy Fool-
    A person who does not conform to social norms of behaviour because of a mental disability or as a deliberate choice, regarded as having a compensating divine blessing or inspiration.”
    Without being unkind to Greta, she does seem to fit this profile according to her mother.

  41. If, or maybe when, she gets intervention or works it out for herself, she could well become very angry. Don’t any of these idiots realise that? Hopefully there won’t be any firearms or sharp objects nearby. For Greta’s sake, not the perpetrators.

  42. As if we needed any more evidence that The Cult of Calamitous Climate really is a cult.
    This child abuse is sickening.
    It is hard not to laugh,until you realize this poor 16 year old,somewhat mentally challenged child, is surrounded by evil.
    Another “Ends justifies the means” disaster coming up.
    Most of us can see the likely consequences of this abuse,yet the parents and their enablers charge on.
    Liberalism really is a progressive disease.

  43. Funny, she might be onto something here…

    I have a strong ability to see when someones spinning BullSh*t, even when there are no Bulls about.

    How weird is that ?? Spooky huh !!

  44. She’s almost in to microwaves. Perhaps she can see or receive her own phone calls coming from the cell tower

  45. Quote: “She sees how it flows out of chimneys and changes the atmosphere in a landfill.

    A point source or near point source of heat can cause non-constant density that leads to refraction of light. The “road mirage” of water or the shimmer above is something one can see. Note the word landfill. Likely a heat source, especially if there is a passage for methane and hot air to the surface.
    My guess is there is a misunderstanding of what is seen and what it is.
    This could easily be tested — if one cared to.

  46. According to her mother Malena Ernman (48), … Greta was diagnosed as a child with obsessive-compulsive disorder and Asperger’s syndrome, just like her younger sister Beata. … “Greta is able to see what other people cannot see,” writes Malena Ernman in the book.

    When I was a boy people used to say to this sort of thing, “… there’s madness in the family. …”. In other words, you don’t want to marry into such a family as your children will probably turn out to be losers who can’t tell facts from fantasies and will not be able to fend for themselves. Such craziness was not to be encouraged as it often damaged or bought down others by association and the implications of delusional thinking.

  47. “Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad”
    Taken to mean. evil appears as good in the minds of those whom god leads to destruction.
    I am not personally religious, but sometimes, in fact many times, the musings of those who are, come to have meaning in real life.
    The COGS might like to consider this from ancient Greece.

  48. Nothing new here folks. Move on!!
    Fifteen year old South African prophetess Nongqawuse “saw” her ancestors. She successfully persuaded the majority of her Xhosa tribe that the ancestors had advised her that they must slaughter their cattle and burn their crops. Approximately 70 000 (1856) people died in the ensuing famine.
    Sixteen year old Greta Thunberg has the ability to “see” (colourless & odourless) CO2 . She is a contemporary Nongqawuse using her persuasive powers to convince a modern tribe ( that is obviously every bit as backward as Nongqawuse’s erstwhile countryfolk) that it is in their best interest to destroy all that sustains them. The only variable is the amount of delusion, death & deprivation that will ensue as a direst result of the current doomsday prophesy!

  49. We are back in the 17th Century when some Children could reveal who the witches were among women

  50. Since there has been some discussion about what is actually said and claimed in Malena Ernman’s book, here is the original Swedish and my best translation (I might add that I have translated between Swedish and English professionally):

    ”Greta tillhörde det lilla fåtal som kunde se våra koldioxider med blotta ögat. Hon såg hur växthusgaserna strömmade ut från våra skorstenar, svävade uppåt med vindarna och förvandlade atmosfären till en gigantisk osynlig soptipp.”

    “Greta belonged to the very few that could see our carbon dioxides (sic!) with the bare eye. She saw how the greenhouse gases flowed from our chimneys, moved upwards with the winds and turned the atmosphere into a gigantic invisible garbage dump”

    It is very hard to interpret this in any other way than that at least Greta’s mother believes that Greta can actually see CO2.

    • While Mom hands out the Asperger medication tablets.
      It is very strange that either complete ignorance on this subject reigns here or willfull Don’t go there consensus.

  51. Of course she can see CO2. Just like in the past girls of similar age had visions of Maria, or witches, or fairies or unicorns. Hormonal problems and idiot parents is my diagnosis.

  52. It is very unfair and downright stupid, to mock, blame youth who are surely under psychotropic medication, likely with no say in that.

    It is becoming clear that there will be a huge scandal over this.

    Mainstream know-better’s don’t notice the level of prescribed medication all across the translatlantic youth, and see it as normal.

    Even the so-called psychologists whisper these drugs are causing the symptoms they treat, while pocketing pharma hand-outs.

    • It is likely she is taking medication of some sort, but I don’t think hallucination is involved. Her parents are psycho greenies, that is the problem.

      There is a train wreck coming with Greta, but I can’t guess which way it’ll evolve. It could hit her parents, it could hit the news media, it could hit someone with the law, or Greta could become a UN spokesman for Climate Change in place of De Caprio.

  53. and before we all got PCd to death autistic and asbergers and others were called simple or idiots, or challlenged at best
    now we have people acting like theyre all savants not idiot savants she may have some talents but seeing co2 sure isnt one of em.
    her mums got issues and greta and the sister , such a pity mum bred at all frankly.

  54. I’m not a witch! I’m not a witch! These aren’t my clothes! They dressed me like this. And this isn’t my nose! It’s a false nose!

    Yes, please, let’s start the witch hunting again. Let’s do that. Let every space alien in the vicinity know that we’re as susceptible to delusional BS and mass hysteria as a herd of shorthorns. Let’s do that!

    At least we know how delusional this teen is and how she’s able to manipulate hysterics into following her. When do they reach the cliff’s edge?

    • Burn her! Burn her! Burn the witch! Does she weigh the same as a duck? Does she have a wart? Is she made of wood?

  55. I see things too…in plain sight. A clearly vulnerable girl being manipulated (abuse?) by her psychotic ‘ green blob’ activist parents.
    The ‘ Joan of Arc’ of climate change ( adding to a long list of mass hysteria over GT) is perhaps a little ill thought out (albeit mildly amusing) considering the real JoA’s eventual demise….adding her own CO2 emissions to our precious atmosphere!

    • It’s worst than that: she’s is a naive, trusting innocent who believes what she says and is being taken advantage of by her own mother and other adults – people she trusts – who see her as nothing but a toy. When they’re done with here (the Jeanne d’Arc allusion is accurate), they will dump her like a mold potato.

  56. Well… if she could sie in IR, the 400 ppm of CO2 blocks 10 um IR radiation at the distance of 10 meters…
    But yes, the exhales black gas then!

  57. She does need help. That might begin with someone near to her gently saying ‘Hey Greta, the polar bears are doing OK.’ And then, over time, explaining how she has been duped and used, and how just about all she believes about the climate is clearly and demonstrably wrong. But does anyone near her actually care that much?

    • For a help, she has a loving progressive and rich family. And all Fridays with her pals. No, WE need help.

      • Unfortunately her “loving progressive and rich family” are taking advantage of her by filling her head with this climate Armageddon nonsense in order to use her as a mouthpiece for their “progressive” agenda instead of loving her and giving her the help dealing with reality that she needs.

  58. Build the Global Warming Cathedral on the site of the grotto where the young girl first saw the visible, holy CO2. Did the holy molecule speak of the immaculate Gore to her?

  59. Best case scenario: in a few decades, this young lady will still be popular is some circles (much like Uri Geller still sells tickets). She will still believe what she believes, despite all evidence to the contrary, but in general, is about as well-adjusted as can be expected. Oh, and probably very wealthy, ala Al Gore.

    Slightly worse scenario: she is an embittered hag, broke and even more delusional, seeing enemies everywhere and blaming everyone for her failure, ala Hillary Clinton. Except the broke part, of course.

    Terrible scenario: this ends like so many cults do…

    Seriously, that’s a concern of mine. Young people tend to commit suicides in binges, as on our native reserves here in Canada, or after something on social media.

    It would only take one high-profile suicide, unfortunately.

    Oh, and look up “Munchhausen Syndrome by proxy”.

  60. I, too, have a special gift. I can see ignorant, gullible people. They’re everywhere.

    • I, too, have a special gift. I can see BS, and this poor mentally ill girl (Greta) has been filled with it by adults who should have been looking out for her instead of looking to take advantage of her. sad.

  61. The Eco-theologians have found their Oracle. They’ll flock to her like moths to the flame.

    • And as I’ve mentioned, this can only end three ways:

      1) she looks back on her life when she’s in her 50s and still believes, and people still believe her
      2) she looks back on her life and she’s bitter that she was wrong
      3) it ends as badly as any doomsday cult can end.

  62. IF she says she sees CO2, she may have either glaucoma or cataracts. Both will affect your vision but if you’re 16, you wouldn’t be expected to have such a problem.

    This is absolutely the most disgusting thing I’ve run into in a while.

    • She does squint a lot (At least in the photos I’ve seen of her), I’m thinking she needs glasses, perhaps than she’d be able to see clearly rather than seeing things that aren’t what she thinks she’s seeing.

  63. I can see CO2 and there is hardly any of it in the atmosphere.
    I can see Global Warming and there is none anywhere to be seen.
    I can see lots of Urban Heat Island warming.
    I can see warming caused by removing SO2 from the atmosphere back in the 60’s and 70’s when we had the Clean Air Acts.
    I can see through the Warmista fantasy.
    I can see many years into the future and we will be safe and every tomorrow will be like today.
    I can see the evolution of Chaotic Climate Models and they are bollox.

  64. “She can see carbon dioxide with the naked eye.”
    It’s not that hard — just chill it down to –80°C.

  65. Put her mother in charge of the climate change movement. Such investigative techniques wold serve her well.

  66. Like little Greta I’m autistic-Asperger. I’m thinking now I can tap that hidden talent like she does by going into mind-reading.

  67. I feel sorry for the poor girl. It would be hard to appreciate the extent of indoctrination she has experienced. Can you imagine the parents?

  68. Instead of being so vitriolic about a 16 year olds statements why not write a convincing argument with scientific research to back it that could be presented to her.

    an example of what should not have been published
    John Endicott May 3, 2019 at 11:10 am
    I, too, have a special gift. I can see BS, and this poor mentally ill girl (Greta)

    NO-ONE apart from her parents and doctor know if she is mentally ill. You have no proof!
    You all want scientists with a different point of view to mainstream science to have their rights to teach their beliefs at a university. You decry those that criticise. But here you are doing just that. Weird!

    • Greta has Asperger syndrome, this means that she takes things literally and once has made up her mind it is difficult to get her to change it. Therefore even if presented with evidence to the contrary she is unlikely to change her view point, this could even cause serious mental distress. Someone may have pointed to a chimney and said something along the lines of ‘look at all of the carbon dioxide being put into the atmosphere’; which, if taken literally, would mean they can see carbon dioxide.

  69. She has quickly become the eco-millenarian movement’s Savonarola, with prognostications of doom and special powers, it’s quite frightening to think where this will all end.

  70. The last Figure in the article is very wrong. The incoming and outgoing total intensities must be closely equal

  71. I had this website in high respect, but this post is over the red line. We talk about a 16 yr old kid. She is in the learning process of forming her opinion on things and we should not criticice her publically like this. She is 16 and should be protected… that her mother is mentally ill doesnt give us the right to behave against a kid this way.

    • “She is 16 and should be protected”

      Indeed. Do you have any suggestions how to go about that?

    • Re: “She is in the learning process of forming her opinion on things and we should not criticise her publicly like this.” Hopefully the next part of her ‘learning process’ will be the concept of humility – i.e. when one is still young and uninformed enough to be described as ‘still in the ‘learning process’, it is pretty darn arrogant to then go preaching to the rest of the world from such an ill-informed foundation.

    • No, her handlers and the global warming propaganda machine is USING her – with her own permission and purpose and encouragement and approval and actions and speeches and GREAT personal exposure and personal publicity – for THEIR propaganda purposes.

      YES, she is less than 16, and YES, her handlers and parents are legally responsible.
      But SHE is the one who is deliberately committing the actions in public that are comic, but tragic in their consequences for health and well-being of billions.

      • That doesn’t matter. This whole story has nothing scientific to add to the global warmining discussion and should not be on this website. It is purely a personal thing, people make fun of her mental disability’s. Sececond she is a minor. Combine those and we all know that she should be in a sane, healthy and protective enviroment?

        If the leftist abuse her, it is up to us here with common sense and intelligencr to react in a proper manner, how you should react to a child with a disability. If we don’t we are just as bad as her abusing movement, so no… this post on this website is over the red line.

        • That doesn’t matter

          neither does your faux objections.

          This whole story has nothing scientific to add to the global warmining discussion

          97% of the global warming discussion has nothing scientific to add to the global warming discussion. the global warming discussion isn’t about the science, never has been. the science is just a fig leaf for the real goals.

          This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for the, at least, 150 years, since the industrial revolution — Christiana Figueres, the Executive Secretary of UNFCCC

          and should not be on this website

          You don’t get to decide what should and should not be on this website (and, BTW, neither do I but then I’m not the one going around saying what shouldn’t be on this website).

  72. She has special powers that enable her to “see CO2”?
    I wonder if she can also ‘hear voices’?

  73. I hear delusion like this all the time. One friend said he can feel global warming every time he goes outside. My wife is a teacher who stood beside her principal looking outside at a regular mega snowy Canadian winter. He said: “If this isn’t proof of global warming I don’t know what is.” A restaurant server told me that a normal cold rainy March day we were experiencing is climate change. When is this climate house of cards going to finally fall?!

    • He said: “If this isn’t proof of global warming I don’t know what is.”

      The proper response to him would be “you’re right, you don’t know what is”.

  74. Now imagine the following parallel universe:

    Tony A666ott says we should listen to him that “carbon” is no threat because he can see the invisible gas, and he watches it being inhaled by trees. Also, he has ADHD.

    By symmetry, the meeja would have to take his views seriously, offer him a platform to communicate his views, and encourage politicians to take him seriously.

  75. Greta, got vaxxed?

    or why your parents denie the “prior climate change”

  76. Oh my!

    What a great day! A person who finally can see CO2! This is remarkable and a great day for new business(includin hoax) !

    Just think about these new aplications and gimmicks that could be spawn from her fysiological abnormality!

    What a great day! Now! What we will have to do is that she is tobe exammed deeply and thoroughly, and if this abnormality(not asperger, just the eyes and seeing part) proves to be correct, THEN we will have to open them and learn from this!

    What a geat day, just grap her and get skinny appearance to us, righ now!

  77. The quote (in Swedish) is: “Greta tillhörde det lilla fåtal som kunde se våra koldioxider med blotta ögat. Hon såg hur växthusgaserna strömmade ut från våra skorstenar, svävade uppåt med vindarna och förvandlade atmosfären till en gigantisk osynlig soptipp.”

    But “våra koldioxider” actually translates to “our carbon dioxidES”, not “our carbon dioxide”… So Greta can not ONLY see CO2 – she can also see hitherto-unknown isomers of CO2!

    Here’s a literal translation of the quote in full:
    “Greta belonged to the small number [“of people” – my clarification] who could see our carbon dioxides with the naked eye. She saw how the greenhouse gases flowed out of our chimneys, soaring upwards with the winds and turning the atmosphere into a giant invisible garbage dump.”

    So yes.. she sees CO2, all “our” isomers of it.. along with that great invisible garbage dump in the sky which she also sees.

  78. All of you, including the author of the article, who talk about Greta being uneducated and so on. Go and ask a little more bright friend about metaphors… You are making fools of yourselves, but you don’t realise it. 🙄😉

    If you don’t have a friend to ask, I’ll tell you a secret. It is like the old saying “Oh dear, it’s raining cats and dogs!”. It just means it rains. A lot. If you would freak out about that it’s actually not raining cats and dogs people would laugh at you. Too.

    • It doesn’t even matter if it’s a metaphore or literal (and no, I’m not convinced they don’t mean it literally, because many of these (you?) people are completely uneducated and at this point downright religious in their strange beliefs about climate, global warming etc) – the statement is delusional and displays a complete scientific illiteracy.

      I’m sure you think you’re being very clever and informative here with your “big reveal” but you’re not.. Infact, -you- are making a fool of yourself.

  79. I have an autistic kid and it’s just a lot of d*mn hard work the father suffering te same being absent. And always when you think you’ve seen it all it’s just some more near disaster and d*mn hard work until you retire to the grave. The parents of Greta seriously lack in stamina and resilience (not unlike a lot of people in Europe) and should be locked up for perpetrating fraud. Still a nice day to you all.

  80. I wish she would see also how trees and grass are happy and vital to inhale the CO2 during the daylight and how they produce glucose, fructose and exhale O2 🙂 .
    Otherwise, it is not worth to comment anything around “St. Greta” story. Better, we should ask: why and where disappeared wisdom and healthy common sense of a big part of the mankind….. 🙁

  81. What a useless discussion and article. Seems like bunch of intelligent people. But then, how important is it to split hairs for the sake of bending a perfectly good comb?

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