Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon – Climate crusader Greta Thunberg’s “principled” trip across the Atlantic in a carbon fibre and non recyclable plastic boat is going to require at least four crew members to fly across the Atlantic.
Greta Thunberg’s two-week trip across Atlantic in ‘zero-carbon yacht’ may generate more emissions than it saves as two of the crew have to FLY to New York to bring the boat back to Europe
- On Wednesday, the Swedish eco-campaigner left Plymouth on the Malizia II
- Skipper Boris Herrmann and team founder Pierre Casiraghi will fly back from US
- The 16-year-old is set to address the UN climate change conference next month
By JACK ELSOM and DARREN BOYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 10:57 AEST, 17 August 2019 | UPDATED: 06:50 AEST, 18 August 2019Greta Thunberg’s trans-Atlantic voyage on a ‘zero-carbon yacht’ has been rocked by revelations that crew will fly to New York in a gas-guzzling plane to bring the boat back to Europe.
It is claimed that this would generate more emissions than the yacht saves and threatens to leave the 16-year-old’s plans to chart an environmentally friendly route to the United States in tatters.
On Wednesday, the Swedish eco-campaigner left Plymouth on the Malizia II for a two-week journey to the United Nations headquarters where she will address a climate change meeting.
But last night, it was confirmed that two crew will have to fly to the US east coast city to man the 60ft yacht on its return.
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Could this absurd charade possibly get more embarrassing? Next time Greta, buy an airline ticket like the rest of your fellow greens.
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Here’s my doomsday scenario: Greta’s boat capsizes in a storm and goes down, all souls lost. Press blames storm on global warming. Greta becomes a martyr. All global-warming activist organizations are funded indefinitely.
The Atlantic hurricane season has been quiet. Their luck might hold.
What isn’t holding is the maxim, “A lie travels halfway around the world before truth can get its shoes on”. In this case the lie is yet in journey while the truth of the hypocritical, virtue-signaling publicity stunt has already spread around the world.
To John Tillman:The weather channel is forecasting that the wind shear in the Atlantic is about to weaken and the Sahara dust and dry air is going to fade soon leading to a very active tropical storm/hurricane season starting late August through October.
Right now the NHC’s five-day forecast shows a less than 40% chance of just a single depression developing in the NORLANT, but it’s off NYC.
https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5
The position tracker for her trip shows live Atlantic wind and pressure:
https://tracker.borisherrmannracing.com/
They’ve also just shot themselves in the foot via effectively admitting they need to be traveling by wind-power to such international conferences in future, and thus waste several months to several years of life being at sea. Bet they don’t. They will issue indulgences from the UN’s Pope, and keep making the “climate-crisis”™ worserer instead.
They can also repent and confess their sins to the UN Pope then say 50 Heil-Gretas and thus be redeemed from the weeping and gnashing-of-teeth groove thing.
A silly, almost petulant comment
Colin Smith: “Luxury travel”? They poo in a bucket
Did anyone consider the possibility that these people were going to do the trip anyways and Greta just happened to come along for the ride? If this is the case, then her trip is not creating more emissions. I do not see that this possibility is mentioned or has been investigated in this article. This article smells of a rash conclusion to me.
They were not. The owner offered her the boat and his and Malizia II’s skipper’s services to go to NYC.
Not a chance. You would not use your state of the art racing yacht to make a pointless Atlantic crossing. You use it to race, to try to set some record, to do a particularly noteworthy expedition.
The best you can hope is that they might have done something more or equally damaging somewhere else with it, or else spent the period engaged in luxury travel and existence.
The worst case scenario is that her carbon-free adventure will incur progressive carbon emissions, and will become a first-order forcing of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, whereby all carbon-based life on Earth will be selectively aborted by the very hand advocating for prophecy and social progress. A tragic victim of the double-edged scalpel.
Gotta love the idea of a carbon free boat made out of … carbon fibre, held together by polymer resins made from “fossil fuel” resources. I’m also guessing a funky aerospace quality Al-Mg alloy mast which required loads of fossil derived energy to mine and cast in the foundry, not a sustainably farmed tree trunk.
The sails are made from what ? Hemp or high tech polymers made from “dirty” OIL?
So what is this farce supposed to save? The ‘carbon footprint of one half sized human flying to NY, which results in 2 full sized humans doing the same thing. Sounds like it just wasted FOUR times MORE that it pretends to save.
They seem to have made special sails with green logos and messages just for the trip.
Greg
Sails and mast probably made from carbon fibre as well, very light and very strong. Perfect for the purpose.
And too bad if they do get into trouble, Greta then becomes a liability not an asset.
I’m surprised the crew agreed to the trip.
I’m betting there will be a fossil driven escort vessel within camera range to fly the drone and provide emergency services for her ‘just in case’.
Disciples do tend to follow Messiah’s into the wilderness.
I’m betting there will be a fossil driven escort vessel within camera range to fly the drone and provide emergency services for her ‘just in case’.
In the event of a lack of wind, she will obviously do her watch on the pedal driven ‘wind-free’ propulsion system.
Didn’t they used to throw a woman overboard if she was discovered due to her ringing bad luck on the journey?
Isn’t that witches? Throw them in and they drown they are not a witch. Float and they are so you burn them – using biomass of course.
The crew are skipper Boris and owner Pierre. The publicity can’t hurt in raising funds for next year’s Vendee Global.
https://team-malizia.com/en/home/
You really seem to miss the point Greg. Greta has inspired many young people around the globe to make adults more accountable about climate change. She has become a symbol, a torch carrier for the need for humanity to come out of our collective denial about the unsustainabllity of human civilization. She is fighting for the survival of humanity. This is an act of love and courage. None of us, whatever level of commitment to making changes toward a more sustainable civilization can escape using materials whose manufacture runs counter to the survival of humanity, but those like Greta help us awaken to the existential threat and the necessity to act now. Please join us in facing this danger and acting now to save humanity and to create a sustainable future. We need you!
Seems we need to tax the children in that case.
If THEY are the future then THEY can pay for it.
See how Green they really are when it is not Mummy and Daddy paying, but their own part time after school job.
I so seriously hope you just forgot the sarc tag?
otherwise Im just roflmfao at you!!
Oh no Chris, he got the point perfectly. Aside from the hilarious and grotesque farce of the crew members flying to bring the boat back, the cost, in terms of energy and resources to build the boat in the first place – it was never intended to be any sort of carbon saving exercise, but a rich persons plaything (note: The Malizia Team is based in Monaco) – the stupendous amount of coverage in electronic media will consume untold amounts of electricity and other resources and have exactly the opposite effect to what she’s telling the rest of us to do. Thankfully, the irony has not been lost and the hypocrisy of this stunt is already being covered widely. As for all this odious pomposity about torch carrying, existential threats and love & courage… she’s deluding countless impressionable, gullible and naïve young people into thinking they’re accomplishing something without having the barest glimmering of understanding what the hell they’re on about. You and Greta and your disciples can go back to the caves if you want – the rest of us will not be joining you.
Good sarcasm, but you need a /sarc tag. people will think you’re serious and laugh even harder.
So, rather than an airplane seat, future environmentally conscious young people will each need an exotic, carbon based 60 foot yacht to cross the Atlantic. By the way, how do they get back? Sounds as if Greta is flying. Otherwise, they wouldn’t need to fly a crew across the pond. Just sail her back.
So why can’t she telecon in?
Per kg it takes 14 times more CO2 to make carbon fibre than steel. If Greta gets her wish the only people that get to travel are the anointed elite. So in the pursuit of an equal society for they actually end up with a monarchy, so very North Korea.
Lets hope she does not come to harm, she is just a child with her life in front of her, however tiresome and naïve she might be and however much others are pulling her strings.
Surely a message sent to the New York conference from Sweden using Skype, would have sent a clearer signal that there are better ways to spread the climate message than having 20000 delegates travelling by plane to the next IPCC climate conference?
Can I also make the point that the activists behind her and Extinction Rebellion are inventing their own facts? Greta said in a highly arrogant address to the UK Parliament a few months ago the very lines that reflect the activists claim that the IPCC said in 2018 ‘we have 12 years to save the world’ and is CE’s excuse to call a ‘climate emergency.’
She said; “Around the year 2030, 10 years 252 days and 10 hours away from now, we will be in a position where we set off an irreversible chain reaction beyond human control, that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it. That is unless in that time, permanent and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society have taken place, including a reduction of CO2 emissions by at least 50%.And please note that these calculations are depending on inventions that have not yet been invented at scale, inventions that are supposed to clear the atmosphere of astronomical amounts of carbon dioxide.”
The UN did make the ‘12 years’ comment in 1988-with a timeframe for climatic doom of 2000. It never happened of course. Which is probably why the IPCC never said this in 2018 and have been busy trying to correct this misconception.
“The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,” said James Skea, co-chairman of the report and Professor of sustainable energy at Imperial College London, “The hotter it gets, the worse it gets, but there is no cliff edge.”
“This has been a persistent source of confusion,” agreed Kristie L. Ebi, who was Executive Director of the IPCC Working Group II Technical Support Unit from 2009 -2012“The report never said we only have 12 years left.”
The actual science –as distinct from the wild claims-can be read in Chapter 3, Box 8 of the IPCC report
The repeating of this 12 year mantra are terrifying our children. That Britain’s own Co2 output is irrelevant to the world climate can be seen in data provided by New Scientist, that if the UK went to net zero Co2 emissions by 2050 it would provide three hundredths of a degrees reduction in global temperature compared to 2020. Theresa May pledged 1 trillion pounds to achieve a result that is not measurable and assumes an (unproven) high degree of sensitivity of the climate to Co2
Perhaps Greta and Theresa May are unaware that 97% of Co2 comes from natural sources, not man? (Chapter 3 – IPCC Climate Assessment report) At around 415 parts per million of our atmosphere it is a trace gas dwarfed by up to 40,000 ppm of (less powerful ) natural water vapour making water the dominant greenhouse gas (page 666 of the IPCC assessment.)
According to Nature magazine, the total amount of carbon found in living plants and animals, the soil, the atmosphere and the ocean consists of some 40000 billion tons Humans contribute only an 6 billion tons of additional load on this vast balance.
The Paris climate agreement set a maximum of 1.5 centigrade rise from pre industrial times (1750). Bizarrely this is measured from the Little Ice Age, the coldest period in the entire 10000 year long Holocene. It would be deeply worrying if we were not warmer than that period, or if we returned to those values.
With Britain’s long running Central England temperature series (CET) maintained by the Met office, dating from 1650’s we can see the depths of the later phase of the LIA and that the 1.5C limit set out in Paris was approached here in the 1730’s, 1820’s 1870’s 1930’s and in the modern era from the 1990’s. In other words our climate fluctuates regularly from warm to cold and back again which we can see in instrumental records.
CET is said to be a good, if not perfect, proxy for the Northern Hemisphere and illustrate that temperatures have been generally rising since 1695, although over the last 20 years they have marginally declined from a high plateau. So no one from the ‘woke’ Generation Z living in Britain has actually ever known the warming climate they are demonstrating and striking about.
tonyb
tonyb. An excellent summary highlighting the total irresponsibility of bureaucrats, politicians and the media.
John S
Funny how a lot of those who say a 4C rise in temperature will end civilization, go on vacation to places that are at least 10 to 20C warmer than their home location. If you live in Canada they go to a spot that’s 30 to 40C warmer!
Here in Utah, the difference between the high and low temperatures is frequently higher than 30 F. I don’t even have to move.
Not to mention that on the vast majority of days, it is the low temperature, not the high temperature, that poses the greater threat to your existence.
“The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,” said James Skea, co-chairman of the report and Professor of sustainable energy at Imperial College London, “The hotter it gets, the worse it gets, but there is no cliff edge.”
The IPCC says there is not really a “Tipping Point”, a point of no return. Too bad they don’t tell the populace of the world, who think we are on the edge of a cliff about to fall off into uncharted evironmental hell, because of the propaganda and distortions being put out by all sorts of alarmists.
The IPCC ought to be suing alarmists for distorting the meaning of their CO2 studies, and unnecessarily scaring people.
”The IPCC ought to be suing alarmists for distorting the meaning of their CO2 studies, and unnecessarily scaring people.”
Agreed…..straight after we sue the IPPC for allowing it to happen.
Correction: “Soon after we sue the IPCC & the UN for deliberately creating a false problem for Left-wing political purposes!” After all, Adolf Hitler did say in Mein Kampf, that “the people are more likely to believe a really big lie than a small one!”
Tom thank you for highlighting this.
“The panel “did not say we have 12 years left to save the world,”
“The panel” don’t have to. That’s Greta’s job.
That’s why they’re flying, err sorry, sustainably sailing her around in a fancy carbon yacht. She’s a child. She can say whatever they tell her to say and other children and soft in the head adults will believe her!
(And no one gets charged with fraud.)
“that will most likely lead to the end of our civilisation as we know it. That is unless in that time, permanent and unprecedented changes in all aspects of society have taken place,”
So, the fear of ‘the end of civilisation as we know it’ can only be avoided by ‘permanent and unprecedented changes’.
A pyrrhic victory should she get her way.
I do weep to the vast number of young people I know who are literally throwing away their lives, not marrying and having children, because they believe in this 12 years nonsense. By the time it is proven false most of the women will find it’s too late to change their minds because they have passed their most fertile years and they have missed their chance to have a family for a lie.
Joan of Arc requested that the town of Domremy(-la-Pucelle) be exempted from taxes forever in return for her services. Perhaps Sweden will grant tax exemption to Greta’s birth place, a slight larger commune/city?
Possibly Joe, though she (Jeanne d’Arc) did put her life on the line in battle – however when she fell out of fashion was burned to death at the stake by former followers.
Perchance St Greta should ponder on this.
The Maid was condemned by her enemies.
Joan was captured by the England’s Burgundian allies during the siege of Compiègne in 1430. They sold her to the English, under the dead Henry V’s brother John of Lancaster, Duke of Bedford. She was tried and executed by a pro-English ecclesiastical court overseen by English commanders at Rouen, Normandy in 1431. Bedford himself didn’t interfere in the trial proceedings.
Quite! -Says a lot for the Catholic church which, for a while supported her, then eventually canonised her as a symbol. Religion as defined by politicians has a lot to answer for.
Yes, her status, heretic v. saint depended totally upon which secular power controlled the Church hierarchy at the moment.
The former heretic was canonized a saint in AD 1920, prompting Shaw’s “St. Joan”.
Somehow a cross-dressing teen-aged schizophrenic seems the ideal saint of France.
The Appeal to Pity Fallacy poster child.
This type of state-of-the-art regatta boat does not go down, there may be a disastrous disruption of the insides of passengers, but the vessel will hold. More pertinent is the question of Greta’s quest to South America by train and bus, neither of which will be fuelled by renewable energy. Lest she switches to a solar-powered unicorn, her carbon footprint will be counter-productive to her mission.
You can’t get from N to S America by train or bus. You have to either fly or take a boat. See Darién Gap.
Irony if it hits an iceberg.
Irony would be Atlantic Pirates holding the world hostage to release her.
Let them keep her. She might learn something about living outside her parent’s leftist bubble house.
Tempting!
Will someone Twitter Greta the following link please? (Seeing as how she needs to follow the science)
https://rogerfromnewzealand.wordpress.com/2018/05/09/ever-been-told-that-the-science-is-settled-with-global-warming-well-read-this-and-decide-for-yourself/
Cheers
Roger
What makes them think that they can do the trip in two weeks? Eastbound, perhaps, with the benefit of the prevailing winds. Westbound, two months, possibly.
A two man crew for a 60 ft yacht – sounds a bit schooner rigged. Or is that in addition to the normal crew of about 10?
Malizia II is very capable of making the trip in two weeks, she is an extreme racing boat designed for single-handed circumnavigation. The question is can the passengers survive the punishing ride? There are clips on youtube showing her at speed.
“can passengers survive the ride?”
Simple answer is no, and once you reach the second day of what is commonly called sea sickness it can go down hill in a hurry, cramps, dehydration, and worse.
The three stages of sea-sickness: First you think you are going to be sick. Then you’re afraid you’re going to die. Then you’re afraid you’re not going to die.
Same when you wake up with a hangover!!!
I’ve always found that feeding the fish is most helpful.
You can bet the messiah kid is using scopolamine patch! As like all modern technological marvel made possible by fossil fuel, like sat nav, sat com…
Speaking of cramps,but a lot lot worse,years ago,some national reporter for one of the major TV networks was reporting from overseas in the battle zones and ended up dying due to sitting in a jeep too long (which doesn’t have much leg room to begin with) on long travels on all his correspondence and ended up with a blood clot in his leg,travelling to other areas of his body and sadly killing him. I don’t know if any of you recall this story.It was either for CBS,NBC, or ABC.I can’t quite remember but he was a pretty young guy.Very freaky indeed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bloom
They’ll have to use the boat’s fossil-fueled motor.
No they have fossil fueled boats towing her into and out of the harbour.
Maybe their get home if dismasted engine is solar-powered electric, then.
They drift when there’s no wind. That happened the other day in which they did things like wash and play games.
I guess not even a dinghy with oars, then, to tow her enough to make steerage way.
The boat does have an electric motor for emergency use, replacing the Diesel engine required by racing rules.
Santa Greta has tweeted from north of the Azores.
https://mobile.twitter.com/gretathunberg/status/1163507642100310016
Very cool boat, very high tech and capable of high speeds on its foils. Stupid stunt.
https://www.yacht-club-monaco.mc/en/malizia-uk/the-boat/mono60-malizia-ii/
Coming home she should hitch a ride on this one if she is in a hurry. Record east-west crossing in 4hr and 12 minutes. Oh and it was single-handed.
Stupid fingers 4.5 days!!!
I was wondering about that when I read your comment. 🙂
That boat ride looks brutal in the video.
The fastest transatlantic Crossing in a sailboat was 5 days 14 hours 21 minutes and 25 seconds
You refer to the record set by the beautiful Comanche a stunning monohull that flew across the same course in July 2016 beating the old record by over a day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDmz9iqyeSU
Sobedo sailed by Coville was a year later.
https://www.sailingworld.com/thomas-coville-sets-transatlantic-record/
Anyway you look at it the fast sailboats of recent times are high tech rockets.
Single-handed E-W record Atlantic crossing, Cadiz to San Salvador 3884 nm:
“Banque Populaire 7” Armel Le Cleac’h FRA Jan 14 6d 23h 42m 18s
https://www.sailspeedrecords.com/offshore
Their route of course is different.
That boat traveled roughly 3000 miles in 4 hours and 12 minutes? That calculates to over 714 MPH.
That’s the old Sodebo, the new one is much faster!
crap thats fast..and rough,
awesome
wouldnt wanna hit anything solid like a whale etc either
It must be a pedal driven motor no?
Just two airplane tickets? How about the six crew who are flying back? Beautiful day for burgers on grill.
And a further two sailors who are currently on board the Malizia II with Greta may use air travel to get back to Europe.
From the The book Scenes from the Heart by Greta’s mother
‘Greta is eleven years old and has gone two months without eating. Her heart rate and blood pressure show clear signs of starvation. She has stopped speaking to anyone but her parents and younger sister, Beata.
After years of depression, eating disorders, and anxiety attacks, she finally receives a medical diagnosis: Asperger’s syndrome, high-functioning autism, and OCD. She also suffers from selective mutism—which explains why she sometimes can’t speak to anyone outside her closest family. When she wants to tell a climate researcher that she plans a school strike on behalf of the environment, she speaks through her father.
https://quillette.com/2019/04/23/self-harm-versus-the-greater-good-greta-thunberg-and-child-activism/
And people listen to her like she knows everything about the climate?
Good grief…
It is beyond self-harm. Now she is harming the humanity.
No, that is self-harm on the part of those stupid enough to listen to her.
She is a fitting spokesperson for the “climate movement” which is a globally scaled case of OCD.
A school child who knows nothing about science or climate is a perfect figurehead for a movement of people who know nothing about science or climate.
Hit the nail on the head.
👍
IIIf Greta is a “high functioning autistic ” and exhibits those behaviors-either mommy is lying or Greta is a lot worse than mommy admits.
My wife is a “high functioning autistic” holds two degrees has been a teacher,
but she can navigate society quite well by choosing her audience and conditions.
If Greta is as described -I wouldn’t want her in the road in an emergency.
This is child abuse..
Any chance she could give me six numbers on this weekend’s Lottery? (Sarc)
This keeps getting worse. “selective mutism?!?” The girl who speaks in front of Parliment?
“Selective mutism”.
Hmmm … perhaps that is a common ailment among the CAGWers? That’s why they refuse to debate?
(Gavin Schmidt refusing to even be on the same set with Dr. Roy Spenser for an interview being a prime example.)
Selective listening is a far more common disorder among climatistas.
😎
Hence the push to name knowledgeable people to be ignored.
Not all the “useful idiots” supporting “The Cause” actually are idiots. But they need information, data to evaluate what is really going on.
Nature is supplying some of that.
Some of the “idiots” began to wake up.
So they changed from CAGW to “Climate Change” with Man still and always being the cause.
“The Cause” is that Man needs to controlled.
They’ve practiced “selective mutism” by refusing debates and now they want their “useful idiots” to ignore reasoned opposition to their theory and the nonsensical solutions to prevent a faulty computer game’s conclusion.
She only speaks to dumb people.
She alone can see CO2.
She can only be heard by dumb people.
Sounds like a perfect spokesperson for the climate industrial complex. They ought to be able to keep this up for a long time, longer than Stephan Hawking even.
So if the young person’s developing brain was starved for that long what parts of that brain are stunted? Oh wait – maybe parts of that brain outcompeted other parts of that brain for nutrients & that has given the person their self professed super power enabling CO2 to be seen by the naked eye. So many questions to ask when the ship comes in ….
In which case she is being exploited, her parents clearly are not good parents and are benefitting from the funding she receives for what must be a very expensive trip across the Atlantic plus other events. Apparently she has also put back her schooling for a year to concentrate on being an ambassador of AGW.
Um, I’m a touch confused here.
1) Isn’t she sailing back in the yacht?
2) Didn’t those crew members go with her in the boat in the first place?
3) Why can’t whoever sailed the boat in the first place just take it back?
and no, I’m not giving Daily Mail the click just to read if the details are there.
The owner and skipper are flying back, so need replacements. Two other crew might do likewise.
It’s a racing yacht, owned by Pierre Casiraghi, Grace Kelly’s grandson.
Dunno how little Greta will get to Santiago de Chile from NYC.
She could walk.
Of course!
That distance in about three months would be a stretch for her short legs.
Less than three months. NYC confab starts Sept. 23 and Santiago Dec 2.
She’d have to run those thousands of miles, 16 hours a day.
By train and local boats presumably. She’ll have a problem getting from Panama into Columbia as there is no real road.
There’s no easy way through the Darien Gap…. It can take a month to two years to get through by vehicle..
Greta presumably can walk on water, but Svante will have to swim or row.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g1787391-d9466371-Reviews-Catamaran_Experience-El_Porvenir_San_Blas_Islands_Guna_Yala_Region.html
Sailboat rental in El Porvenir.
The DM article says she’s going to Canada, too.
1) No, she is staying here, reportedly planning a trip to Canada (not sure why), and then she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference in December. I’m not sure when she’ll be going back home, but odds are it will be by plane.
2) No, possibly because it would have been too crowded.
3) They probably have better, “more important” things to do. That’s what employees are for.
Buses and trains use fossil fuels.
Buses and trains do use fossil fuels, but because it is sanctioned by the CAGW horde, she can’t see their CO2 emissions.
Excuse me,does this bus go to Duluth?
No,this bus goes beep beep.
Maybe she and her dad can beg a solar-powered vehicle, if there be any tough enough for Latin American roads.
They’d also need an electric boat to get around the Darien Gap. Or attempt it by electric quadracycle.
She would need a license for an electric car, to spell her dad driving.
And how many weeks of school will she miss?
School? Why would she need schooling, she already knows everything.
“Dad,I’m going to a party.Would you do my homework for me?”
“I’m sorry,kid,but it just wouldn’t be right.”
“Well,maybe not.Give it a try anyway.”
She’ll have to take a ferry around the Darien Gap.
Indeed, the Darien Gap looks tricky, involving several boats, and even a hike. I’m thinking they may want to re-consider traveling overland to Chile.
Per Wiki article on the Dorian Gap, the ferry operator went out of business. I don’t know how current it was.
You’re right. I checked.
So they’ll have to brave the Gap by land or charter a sailboat.
Maybe she can hike over the Andes, bike to Brazil, hitch another free ride on a yacht full of wind sailing across the Atlantic to Senegal, thence by camel to Cueta, row to Gibraltar, then bike to Denmark and again row back to Sweden.
On the Chilean side of the Liberators’ Pass between Santiago and Medoza, Argentina are many switchbacks. A tunnel lowers the height to only 10,499 feet, after which the highway grade to Mendoza is gentler.
“…then she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference in December. ”
Aren’t there any battery-powered vehicles available for the trip? Traveling by NON-Green evil CO2-spewing contraptions seems a bit hypocritical as does the entire Clown Show Caravan idea.
A side trip to Canada? Great, she’ll probably be greeted by the likes of Justin Trudeau (to draw attention away from his corruption issues) and his cabinet ministers (to draw attention away from their general ineptitude).
“she’ll be traveling by bus and train to the Santiago Climate Conference ”
Can’t be done. No through road, no through railway.
At the very least she will have to take a boat or plane from Panama to Colombia.
Unless she and her dad are willing to risk walking or biking across the Gap.
Dunn if any murderous narcoterrorist Marxist FARC guerrilla-bandits are still hiding out there or not.
“…reportedly planning a trip to Canada (not sure why)…”
Photo op with the Canadian ding-bat.
The boat needs to come back as it has a pre booked schedule. They fitting in GT’s trip. Further GT’s aim is to get to Chile in December. They are not going to hang around for a possible return date set by GT in January/February.
Ha ha!
Climate saving my arse, just another misinformed mouthpiece spouting crap
you’re looking at a picture of a 16 year old girl…..old enough to drive a car
…something is not right here
The problem originates from her parents and manifests itself between her ears.
She is not old enough to drive in her home country Sweden where the limit is 18.
One can get a driving permit to learn to drive in Sweden at 16 yoa.
We have evolved our way into the situation in which we find ourselves. We didn’t plan to become totally dependent on fossil fuels. We just got lucky.
We probably can’t plan our way out of depending on fossil fuels. The left leaning greenies don’t realize that.
The best we can do is fund curiosity based research. Change the perverse incentives that lead to the replication crisis where the vast majority of published research findings are wrong. Pray for a breakthrough or two.
Before fracking and directional drilling became commonplace, things weren’t looking that rosy. I was seriously considering an electric pickup truck project. Then we became flooded with oil and natural gas and the electric truck project became moot.
So far, technological advancements have occurred faster than possible disasters. We have a tiger by the tail and we should thank our lucky stars. The greenies also don’t understand that.
” I was seriously considering an electric pickup truck project. ”
Probably get more bang for your buck with a wood gasifier sitting in the back.
FEMA Gasifier Plans
https://www.build-a-gasifier.com/fema-gasifier-plans/
Thanks heaps for that link
Ive downloaded and shared it around
very very handy if SHTF
or if fuel gets much more expensive, I loved you can run diesel and tractors with it too
Don’t worry, the greenies set working hard to slow the rate of technological progress, so that shouldn’t be an issue in the future. /Sarc off
There is not a hope in hell of the total idiots who seem to be running things “planning” to end the use of fossil fuels (which is lucky since they’re not doing any harm).
The analogy I use is a fat person who wants to lose weight so they keep buying “slimming snacks”. This is what society is actually doing … we’ve not cutting back of energy use, instead we are USING MORE ENERGY to do more and more trivial things like sailing across the Atlantic in a plastic boat.
You can’t diet by eating more diet snacks. Likewise, you can’t reduce fossil fuel usage by using a lot more fossil fuel to do “green” things.
The actual solution, is not to switch from the very energy efficient transport system of flying to the costly (so highly inefficient) transport system of “sail”, but to NOT DO THE TRIP. The solution to reducing fossil fuel energy usage is not to consume fossil fuel energy producing bird-mincers but to not use energy.
Likewise, I learn that the eco-nutter’s “Green New Deal” in the US, involves a massive increase in the consumption of fossil fuels in order to produce a few “diet snack” type policies which don’t reduce energy usage but just make the public feal like they are doing something to “diet”.
Energy use is never lessened. Mankind always dreams of ways to use more.
Good analysis.
(which is lucky since they’re not doing any harm). — Okay, but you left out “so far”. “not doing any harm SO FAR” is more accurate, and quite appropriate, in my view.
It does not mean they will NOT try to do any harm in the future, that’s all.
Ultimately we will need to wean ourselves off hydrocarbons for basic heating and electrical energy generation, if only to preserve them for humanity centuries hence. We’ll still need them for ‘high value’ uses – chemical feedstock, aviation, shipping. Ironically it’s the greenies’ opposition to nuclear power that is preventing us moving towards that state – ‘renewables’ aren’t a credible route. Available uranium and thorium could keep us going for centuries at current energy usage levels, and if we ever crack fusion power economically, then that’s essentially unlimited.
I am not worried about running out of fossil fuels anytime soon.
Some folks complain about the expense of nuclear power. For years, France has relied on, and benefited from, nuclear power. link
Even with relatively old technology, nuclear power is viable.
Yet still many major French inner cities are no go areas. So what did they gain from clean energy exactly? A better life?
Nuclear power would be the power source of choice if it was safe, as cheap as coal to operate, and mass produceable.
The problem is we are using a 50 year old fission reactor design, that is expensive, wasteful of fuel, and inherently dangerous when it is a fact that we built and successfully tested a fission reactor design, that is best theoretical fission reactor possible 50 years ago…
… a liquid fuel, no fuel rod, fission reactor design that is six times more fuel efficient, no catastrophic failure mode, as cheap as coal to build and run (all costs in)
A cheap, safe, mass produceable reactor design that produces heat at 600C opening up almost all industrial heat applications, should be the win-win solution to the cult of CAGW madness.
i.e. Something that would massively reduce CO2 emissions with a reduction in electricity prices.
There is a limited amount of U235 and we are wasting it in fuel rod reactors that operate at 150 atmospheres and melt down in roughly 12 minutes if cooling water flow is lost that are six times less fuel efficient and that produce waste ceramic rods melt at 2500C that make reprocessing very expensive and dangerous.
We would have at least 2 but more likely 5 centuries to develop alternative technologies.
However, the real question is: what will run out first, fossil fuels or humanity?
Breeder (fission) reactors could keep us going indefinitely, in principle, so no need for fusion.
Check out, e.g. “Prescription for the Planet” by Tom Blees (there is a PDF version freely available online).
Besides which, the prospect of fusion energy becoming a reality may be an illusion:
https://thebulletin.org/2017/04/fusion-reactors-not-what-theyre-cracked-up-to-be/
By contrast, Argonne National Lab proved that the Integral Fast (-breeder) (fission) reactor was perfectly feasibly (they ran it for 10 years, and its predecessors much longer), was safer than LWRs, and could use fuel from present day conventional reactors as fuel (thus providing a way to make our existing spent fuel much easier to dispose of).
I must say, I have enjoyed seeing pictures of Grave Greta on the boat, in which she is smiling, and actually looking like a human being rather than a cyborg.
Plus all the microplastics being shed from hull, foils, sails, lines, rigging, crew clothing and even ‘that’ bucket. A Viking longboat would have been a better option. ‘Fine craftsmanship built Draken Harald Hårfagre – with materials used throughout history. Oak, tar, hemp, iron and silk.’ https://www.drakenhh.com/
I went on board this ship when it was docked at the Mystic Seaport in Mystic Connecticut.
You could smell the Tar about 3 blocks away, extremely strong odor. It is a beautiful vessel.
One of the crew said the best part of the journey was docking at each port of call, getting off the ship and back onto the land.
She has truly become a member of the environmental elite! Congratulations, Greta.
The virtue signaling charade goes on, reGretably.
I presume she has the correct documentation for entering America.
St. Greta of Thunberg is the acceptable face of child use and abuse.
[In the Marvel Universe] she can see CO2 with the naked eye – her mother says so. It must be true, right?
A crew of five is being flown to NY to take the yatch back to Europe, according to the German newspaper Taz. And at least two of the sailors in Greta’s trip will flight back to Europe. That makes it seven flights across the Atlantic instead of two if Greta and her father had flew to NY.
Damn the bean-counting nitpickers. It is all about symbolism, that’s what counts.
“The Environmental Disaster of Solar Energy”
Written by John Hinderaker
https://www.americanexperiment.org/2019/08/environmental-disaster-solar-energy/?fbclid=IwAR33d8b9AuNADpS27z__18HQVhUYs0Xi1mvDg_ozldg6cLTDm6MDjAz1OZo
“Worse, many decommissioned solar panels which were supposed to be properly disposed of are instead labeled “used” and sold to Middle Eastern countries that have no ability to deal with hazardous materials like cadmium”
D’OH !
What’s that got to do with this post?
The fallacy of “green” ideas ?
[vi] Nikkei Asian Review, Japan tries to chip away at mountain of disused solar panels, November 8, 2016, https://asia.nikkei.com/Tech-Science/Tech/Japan-tries-to-chip-away-at-mountain-of-disused-solar-panels?page=1
Daily Caller, Old Solar Panels Causing An Environmental Crisis In China, August 1, 2017, http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/01/old-solar-panels-causing-an-environmental-crisis-in-china/
Daily Caller, Solar Panels Increased Emissions Of A Gas 17,200 Times More Potent Than CO2, March 1, 2017, http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/01/solar-panels-increased-emissions-of-a-gas-17200-times-more-potent-than-co2/
If she survives the trip, to speak at the U.N. , it will be nothing new because she will say the same “were are in trouble”babble of speech (written by adults) that many warmists adults have been saying publicly for years already.
It will be a waste of time and nothing new for warmists and skeptics to chew on. It is a propaganda stunt nothing more. The waste of fossil fuel for this shyster attempt greatly damages their game, but they march on because they deep into the delusion of being a would be planetary savior.
I am …. Unimpressed at their silly stumbling way of pushing their illogical long dead AGW conjecture. They have not grown up and left this madness, which means this political propaganda will never end until the inevitable global cooling is in full swing as it will eventually.
The more fun will be at the September UN meeting, all countries are supposed to turn up with their loftier goals for emission controls and carbon neutral by 2050. This has sort of been lost in the discussion but I suspect the UK will probably stand alone as one of the few that will. Germany is almost certainly in a recession and has a fragile government but as Merkels last act has said it can’t be carbon neutral by 2050. The US will turn up and say it’s cut it’s emissions and won’t agree to go carbon neutral. Australia has already ruled out going carbon neutral by 2050 by both major parties so they will be with the bad people. The interesting one will be China to see what it does, standby to watch argument developing nations should be special rules.
The central point of this stunt is so obscure that it’s laughable.
How is it even conveyed with a straight face.
I’m spending two weeks sailing to America with some dude to promote climate change.
That’s meaningful or admirable in some way?
How?
Good grief. The ease at which the left is presumptuous has reached epic levels.
If it has any hint of some sort of narrative supporting then the whole group lauds it as substantive.
I still say Greta will never complete the asinine trip. A week into it a rescue will end it.
Ten people eating and breathing for a two week sea voyage is a lot bigger carbon footprint than the 2/300ths share of a 6 hour jet flight for her and an adult.
I guess they planned to eat and breathe anyway for the same period.
And the planes will fly without them anyway.
Talking about Greta T, has anyone seen anu recent photos, tweets, etc ? Does anyone think the same as me, that she’s not really on the boat?
She has posted on Twitter and Facebook, with pix and footage. I’m not on either social medium, so can’t view the video.
She has posted? Or her parents have posted?
Her dad is with her. They at times can get Internet service.
Here she is on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/gretathunberg/?hl=en
Here’s a brilliant campaign slogan for Greens and GND proponents:
“A Yacht in every Pot.”
The media praise for what this girl is doing is ridiculous. But her plan to avoid the emissions arising from one person’s transatlantic flight, by causing at least TWO while getting someone else to pay for it… that is the kind of forward-looking thoroughness we’ve come to expect from the Green contingent.
And what journalist has thought beyond the yacht having no bathroom facilities? Yeah, that’s so much better than a six-hour flight on an airliner with holding tanks. To have one person travel one way across the Atlantic, having five people crapping into a chamber pot for two weeks and tossing their excrement into the Atlantic is the new leading by example. I suspect most fish would rather have the plastic straws.
“Be Green like Greta! A Yacht in every Pot!”
So, Greta’s boat trip across the Atlantic won’t save any CO2 after all. Bless her little heart.
If anyone wants to follow her during her trip across the Big Pond, here is a link to a website with which you can do so:
https://www.windy.com/track-team-malizia-and-greta-on-their-journey-across-the-atlantic?42.682,-22.830,5
Looks to me like they haven’t made particularly good time, though the past 24 hours they sped up considerably. I’m guessing they will be at sea two or three days beyond the estimated two weeks.
Neat. Those wind vectors don’t look too good once they get a little bit more west.
Is Greta on board?
Check the track that CD in Wisconsin gave us.
The boat departed Plymouth, then a short way along the coast, came close by the shore at place called Looe. They turned even with the coast, held the course, then headed directly back out.
Either they were sightseeing, or they met a boat.
Hmmmm….. This morning’s track shows a turn to the south, like they are heading straight for the Azores. Maybe St. Greta has had enough?
For anyone not familiar with virtue signalling, this is probably the best example you can find of someone doing something that has absolutely no effect on the cause they are arguing for. She has probably caused much more CO2 usage overall, just because of her newfound celebrity status. Not that it actually matters…
It is a real good thing that CO2 is being shown to be such a bit player overall in the scheme of things regarding any actual effect on the climate. I thought that 30 years ago if this CO2 AGW thing was going to be a real problem, we would have seen real adverse effect with CO2 at 415 ppmv on the global climate by 2020, and it only appears we are in a climate optimum the whole time that CO2 is rising the last 40 years. Not to mention the benefit overall to the biosphere with more available CO2 which is indisputable. We can’t even say with any finality what natural variation has been throughout all this, or what the effect of CO2 has been on the climate. Things have never been better, at least with the climate and why we are going on 8 billion people. At the end of the day, the only thing that makes sense is that rising CO2 levels has been in the majority, very good for the planet and the people of the good Earth.
Plastic boat made with??
plant fibres from the plastic tree of course. Do keep up.
tonyb
How did Ms TThunberg get to Plymouth? Did the yacht pick her up in Sweden and sail to England? Or did she take the train?
What I noticed was a difference between an interview she had with the BBC and the speeches she’s made. In the former her accent was more noticeable in the former and her speaking wasn’t as fluid. This may be an illusion of course.