Climate change may have driven the emergence of SARS-CoV-2

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IMAGE: ESTIMATED INCREASE IN THE LOCAL NUMBER OF BAT SPECIES DUE TO SHIFTS IN THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL RANGES DRIVEN BY CLIMATE CHANGE SINCE 1901. THE ZOOMED-IN AREA REPRESENTS THE LIKELY SPATIAL… view more CREDIT: DR ROBERT BEYER

Global greenhouse gas emissions over the last century have made southern China a hotspot for bat-borne coronaviruses, by driving growth of forest habitat favoured by bats.

A new study published today in the journal Science of the Total Environment provides the first evidence of a mechanism by which climate change could have played a direct role in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic.

The study has revealed large-scale changes in the type of vegetation in the southern Chinese Yunnan province, and adjacent regions in Myanmar and Laos, over the last century. Climatic changes including increases in temperature, sunlight, and atmospheric carbon dioxide – which affect the growth of plants and trees – have changed natural habitats from tropical shrubland to tropical savannah and deciduous woodland. This created a suitable environment for many bat species that predominantly live in forests.

The number of coronaviruses in an area is closely linked to the number of different bat species present. The study found that an additional 40 bat species have moved into the southern Chinese Yunnan province in the past century, harbouring around 100 more types of bat-borne coronavirus. This ‘global hotspot’ is the region where genetic data suggests SARS-CoV-2 may have arisen.

“Climate change over the last century has made the habitat in the southern Chinese Yunnan province suitable for more bat species,” said Dr Robert Beyer, a researcher in the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology and first author of the study, who has recently taken up a European research fellowship at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Germany.

He added: “Understanding how the global distribution of bat species has shifted as a result of climate change may be an important step in reconstructing the origin of the COVID-19 outbreak.”

To get their results, the researchers created a map of the world’s vegetation as it was a century ago, using records of temperature, precipitation, and cloud cover. Then they used information on the vegetation requirements of the world’s bat species to work out the global distribution of each species in the early 1900s. Comparing this to current distributions allowed them to see how bat ‘species richness’, the number of different species, has changed across the globe over the last century due to climate change.

“As climate change altered habitats, species left some areas and moved into others – taking their viruses with them. This not only altered the regions where viruses are present, but most likely allowed for new interactions between animals and viruses, causing more harmful viruses to be transmitted or evolve,” said Beyer.

The world’s bat population carries around 3,000 different types of coronavirus, with each bat species harbouring an average of 2.7 coronaviruses – most without showing symptoms. An increase in the number of bat species in a particular region, driven by climate change, may increase the likelihood that a coronavirus harmful to humans is present, transmitted, or evolves there.

Most coronaviruses carried by bats cannot jump into humans. But several coronaviruses known to infect humans are very likely to have originated in bats, including three that can cause human fatalities: Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) CoV, and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) CoV-1 and CoV-2.

The region identified by the study as a hotspot for a climate-driven increase in bat species richness is also home to pangolins, which are suggested to have acted as intermediate hosts to SARS-CoV-2. The virus is likely to have jumped from bats to these animals, which were then sold at a wildlife market in Wuhan – where the initial human outbreak occurred.

The researchers echo calls from previous studies that urge policy-makers to acknowledge the role of climate change in outbreaks of viral diseases, and to address climate change as part of COVID-19 economic recovery programmes.

“The COVID-19 pandemic has caused tremendous social and economic damage. Governments must seize the opportunity to reduce health risks from infectious diseases by taking decisive action to mitigate climate change,” said Professor Andrea Manica in the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology, who was involved in the study.

“The fact that climate change can accelerate the transmission of wildlife pathogens to humans should be an urgent wake-up call to reduce global emissions,” added Professor Camilo Mora at the University of Hawai’i at Manoa, who initiated the project.

The researchers emphasised the need to limit the expansion of urban areas, farmland, and hunting grounds into natural habitat to reduce contact between humans and disease-carrying animals.

The study showed that over the last century, climate change has also driven increases in the number of bat species in regions around Central Africa, and scattered patches in Central and South America.

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Scissor
February 7, 2021 6:05 am

Climate change made Hunter do hookers and blow.

Jim in NEF
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 7:23 am

Which landed him a $2,000,000 book deal. Enablers abound.

Xinnie the Pooh
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 5:31 pm

That’s slanderous – he never did blow. It was Meth

February 7, 2021 6:08 am

Stopped reading here:

““Climate change over the last century has made the habitat in the southern Chinese Yunnan province suitable for more bat species,” said Dr Robert Beyer, a researcher in the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology and first author of the study, who has recently taken up a European research fellowship at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Germany.

MarkW
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 6:37 am

If 0.7C of warming has made that big a difference, bats everywhere must have been on the brink of extinction during the Little Ice Age.

Duker
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 1:03 pm

world’s bat population carries around 3,000 different types of coronavirus, with each bat species harbouring an average of 2.7 coronaviruses “

Doesnt seem that small changes in temperature have made much difference, and while habitat does matter food supply matters more. And predators ?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Duker
February 7, 2021 6:22 pm

If only China would convert to 100% wind power, all of those pesky bats would be liquidated by huge, whirling wind turbine blades. So in a sense, China’s unwillingness to fight climate change is directly responsible…

Curious George
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 7:20 am

Biodiversity is the root of all evil.

ironargonaut
Reply to  Curious George
February 7, 2021 10:03 pm

According to this study cutting down tropical forest is good because it would reduce the # of bats. Eye roll. Alternative title, Climate change increases forests and bat habitat.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 7:33 am

It went from sub tropical to even more sub tropically and fits very well with the “all the bugs are dying” meme.

Art
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 9:52 am

So have labs tinkering with viruses.

Ron Long
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 11:10 am

Krishna, looks like bats are smarter, or maybe more honest that Climate Impact Researchers, because for certain bats went where there were more flying insects to eat.

lackawaxen123
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 12:45 pm

more suitable for more species … they didn’t actually check to see if MORE bat species appeared …

lackawaxen123
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 12:54 pm

Climate change over the last century ??? they mean weather or temperature … and the temperature in that region has not increased …

Coach Springer
February 7, 2021 6:18 am

What’s more likely? Climate change or gain of function engineering? Follow the science.

Jim in NEF
February 7, 2021 6:20 am

Or skip the above hypothesis and just make it in a lab. Batty “research”.

Scissor
February 7, 2021 6:28 am

Plus there is the fact that Anthony Fauci, et al., found ways around the Obama Whitehouse ‘pause” on gain of function research (including on bat coronaviruses) by moving such U.S. research to China through funding it at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4996883/

https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

A WHO team is now on the ground in Wuhan and is “really getting somewhere.”

https://www.voanews.com/covid-19-pandemic/many-questions-after-who-team-visits-wuhan-virology-lab

MarkW
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 6:38 am

Officially, WHO has still never admitted that the Wuhan virus came from China.

Scissor
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 6:48 am

I find it odd that Peter Daszak of Eco-Health Alliance is on the WHO “investigative” team. Eco-Health Alliance became the intermediary through which WIV received U.S. funding.

Komerade cube
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 8:03 am

He’s there to ensure that the culprits are never identified.

UNGN
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 9:36 am

The WHO is in Wuhan right now, finding “No Evidence” that Covid came from a fully scrubbed Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkW
February 8, 2021 9:05 am

I see where the Chicoms are demanding the WHO investigate the U.S. as the source of the Wuhan virus.

paul courtney
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 8, 2021 12:35 pm

Mr. Abbott: Yes, and the inscrutable westerners have refused all chinese demands, for over a year, to let WHO team into the U.S. to investigate. s/

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 3:40 pm

Climate change should have nothing to do with it.
I believe there was a post on WUWT last winter about the string in the virus which was not natural but man made.

MarkW
February 7, 2021 6:36 am

All of that change from 0.7C of warming over the last 150 years?

These nut cases actually believe that the worst case scenarios from the broken models have already occurred.

Klem
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 10:08 am

They may not actually believe it, but if it helps them reach the goal of controlling you and taking your wealth, then they’ll say anything.

fred250
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 11:00 am

Must have been FAR MORE bats during the MWP !

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  fred250
February 8, 2021 9:09 am

Yeah, and it was cooling in China for several decades during that 100 year period. How does that figure into all their theories? Their theories are probably based on a fraudulent Hockey Stick chart.

It looks to me like they are assuming a whole lot that they don’t really have evidence for. Typical alarmist science.

Peter W
Reply to  MarkW
February 7, 2021 3:54 pm

You just don’t seem to understand. EVERYTHING bad is caused by global warming, or climate change, or whatever you want to call it.

Giordano Milton
February 7, 2021 6:40 am

“Studies”, these days need not involve science, or even data in some cases. The new #science is ‘expert’ opinion based and often driven by political activism.

So why should we believe anything we read?

See a phenomenon, make something up that could [potentially be defended with some rationale—no matter how stretched—and call it a study.

The climate changes, yes. Do humans have a role? Probably, some, of unknown degree but most likely small. Is every change caused by climate change? No, but it makes for a good narrative. Is every change bad? No. Much of N. America is no longer under thousands of feet of ice. That’s a good thing.

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Bill Powers
Reply to  Giordano Milton
February 7, 2021 10:36 am

Studies these days are funded by governments (aka Uncle Sugar here in the USA) handing the paid bureaucratic scientists the desired results of the study in advance. direct payroll deposit to begin on the 15th or 30th of the month, whichever comes firsts. Official findings to follow.

Rich Lambert
February 7, 2021 6:42 am

The only thing climate change cannot do is reduce taxes.

MIkeTheDenier
February 7, 2021 6:43 am

Climate change made the CCP develop the bio weapon virus in a lab.. Yeah, that’s the story…as good as any other

Paul Johnson
February 7, 2021 6:48 am

There’s a more direct connection…
The Trump Administration failed to continue the Climate Change energy policies of Obama-Biden to sabotage the U.S. economy. The CCP then focused on their bio-weapons program to accelerate U.S. collapse. Accidentally or intentionally, Covid-19 left the lab and the CCP ensured it spread as quickly as possible around the world.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Paul Johnson
February 7, 2021 7:38 am

Two facts make me doubt accidental release:

  1. The timing which occurred just as the USA was entering the 2020 election season.
  2. The unending and ever shifting effort to make people believe it didn’t come from a lab – first it was Chinese eating bats, then it was the illegal pangolin trade, then it was the Italians, and now it is an increase in bat biodiversity.
Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 9:17 am

Be cautious of ascribing to some malice intent when simple ignorance will do.

MarkG
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 10:02 am

One of Satan’s greatest successes was convincing Boomers that evil people were really just stupid.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  MarkG
February 8, 2021 9:34 am

Well, if by “Boomers” you mean conservatives, then I would agree with you.

For too long conservatives have laughed and scoffed at the insanities espoused by the radical Left, thinking their ideas were so crazy that sane Americans would never fall for them. As a result, conservatives have not pushed back on the insanity nearly enough, other than Trump, and now the insanity is governing our lives.

Conservatives should realize that radical Leftists are seriously deranged, and it’s not a laughing matter.

Our personal freedoms depend on successfully countering the radical Leftwing narrative. It’s not going to be easy because the radical Left controls propaganda organs of the State, the Leftwing News Media and Entertainment Media, and they control the schools, and now they control the federal government.

The radical Leftists are a clear and present danger to the personal freedoms of all of us, even those on the Left who are not radicals. Even the radicals, really. Many of them won’t be spared after an absolute power takeover. They better be careful what they wish for.

Conservatives need to up their game. Now.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 8, 2021 9:19 am

I agree with Joel. The Taiwanese know more about what is going on in China than anyone, and they were warning about a new infectious virus around October 2019, and then they claimed that the Chinese military locked down all military facilities surrounding the city of Wuhan on about November 1, 2019.

That would seem to suggest that the Chinese officials were not aware of the danger of the virus until then. And it would suggest they were surprised by the event, which would suggest they did not deliberately release the virus into the population.

But, there is absolutely no doubt that the Chicoms turned this virus loose on the world not long after it was discovered. They shut down all internal traffic out of the areas around Wuhan, but they allowed international travelers to come and go without restrictions.

This was a deliberate act of war on the world by the Chicoms.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 9, 2021 5:00 am

There were other things going on in Wuhan city around the time of the Wuhan virus appearance. Here’s good article describing the scene, and describing how the Elites in the United States are in bed with the Dictators in China.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-thirty-tyrants

The Thirty Tyrants

The deal that the American elite chose to make with China has a precedent in the history of Athens and Sparta

byLee Smith

February 03, 2021

“In Chapter 5 of The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli describes three options for how a conquering power might best treat those it has defeated in war. The first is to ruin them; the second is to rule directly; the third is to create “therein a state of the few which might keep it friendly to you.”

The example Machiavelli gives of the last is the friendly government Sparta established in Athens upon defeating it after 27 years of war in 404 BCE.

For the upper caste of an Athenian elite already contemptuous of democracy, the city’s defeat in the Peloponnesian War confirmed that Sparta’s system was preferable. It was a high-spirited military aristocracy ruling over a permanent servant class, the helots, who were periodically slaughtered to condition them to accept their subhuman status.

Athenian democracy by contrast gave too much power to the low-born. The pro-Sparta oligarchy used their patrons’ victory to undo the rights of citizens, and settle scores with their domestic rivals, exiling and executing them and confiscating their wealth.

The Athenian government disloyal to Athens’ laws and contemptuous of its traditions was known as the Thirty Tyrants, and understanding its role and function helps explain what is happening in America today.”

end excerpt

It looks like the Chicoms have made major inroads into undermining the United States by seducing our money-hungry Elites.

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Wade
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 9:46 am

The New York Times had an article showing how the Chinese were using propaganda to fuel COVID-19 hysteria.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/technology/china-twitter-disinformation.html

Normally I don’t trust any news organization, except when they publish a story that goes against their chosen narrative. That is why I have reason to believe that story is true.

Mickey
Reply to  Wade
February 7, 2021 6:26 pm

Random act of journalism

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Wade
February 8, 2021 9:38 am

“Normally I don’t trust any news organization, except when they publish a story that goes against their chosen narrative. That is why I have reason to believe that story is true.”

Good thinking!

Russ R.
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 8, 2021 9:52 am

There is another consideration when contemplating “accidental release”.
The CCP stands to benefit substantially by releasing this virus, with these specific “properties”, at this specific time and place.
The virus kills the elderly, especially those with commodities at a very high rate, while sparing the young, and working age adults. China has 250+ million elderly, older than the retirement age. They have a baby boom entering the retirement ranks over the next two decades, straining an already strained system. The CCP will save 100s of $Billions a year, by slightly lower the life expectancy of retirees. See China Demographics in Wikipedia, and Ageing China Population.
It was released in Wuhan in time to infect soldiers attending the Military World Games. It was also circulating in the public for the New Years celebration which was attended by millions of people, many international travelers.
When many coincidences of low probability line up in time and location, it is highly unlikely to be a coincidence.
This does not mean it is a government conspiracy. A few people with the correct clearances could do this unilaterally based on direction from supervisors in positions of power. In a command and control system, you don’t need consensus.

Kevin kilty
February 7, 2021 6:51 am

That knob on the CO2 dial needs an “11” mark.

Bruce Cobb
February 7, 2021 6:51 am

Interesting. In another study it was shown that blameshifting to “climate change” things primarily caused by human stupidity was lucrative, made people feel better about themselves, and did a good job of propping up a false, highly damaging ideology.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 7, 2021 9:19 am

WEF’s opportunism for its long desired socialism now via its Great Reset. Those con artists are just seizing an unfortunate opportunity. Con artists everywhere have depended on calamities since the dawn of mankind.

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Klem
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 10:21 am

Unfortunately most western national leaders are followers of the modern day National Socialist Klaus Schwab, including wrinkly old Joe Biden, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel and Justin Trudeau. I wouldn’t be surprised if they attended the Davos meetings this year as well, but since they were held on line the public was not able to see or hear them being indoctrinated. Nice.

Heil Schwab!

John Dawson
February 7, 2021 6:55 am

The Covid-19 virus epidemic originated in Wuhan – a long way from the lands referred to in the Cambridge University paper. So I don’t think climate change, real or imagined, is particularly relevant, though full marks to the authors for somehow making the link

Matt Ridley has just now published a blog on possible origins of the Covid-19 virus which makes interesting reading. See http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/did-covid-escape-from-a-lab/

Richard (the cynical one)
February 7, 2021 6:57 am

The idea is a bit batty.

February 7, 2021 7:06 am

Climate change, if ever, didn’t let increase the bat population, if ever, than the number of insects increased, base of bat’s nutrition.
In so far, the papers intention and conclusion is total BS, from it’s beginning to it’s end.
A typical “Potsdam paper”

Climate believer
February 7, 2021 7:17 am

Rarely have I read a bigger pile of bull crap. Total unadulterated propaganda.

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 7:19 am

UK “may” research in action, nuts

February 7, 2021 7:20 am

The bat cave got warmer.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Philip Mulholland
February 8, 2021 9:50 am

“The bat cave got warmer.”

And then it got cooler, as the climate cycles up and down over a 100-year period. I’m betting that wasn’t taken into account by the authors. They are probably using a Hockey Stick.

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 7:21 am

Climate change fever still grips the UK

Clyde Spencer
February 7, 2021 7:23 am

The urbanization of China has been called the greatest migration in the history of mankind. Rural farmers depend on wood and charcoal for heat and cooking. City dwellers depend largely on fossil fuels, directly or indirectly. As people move to the cities, the pressure on trees for fuel decreases. Thus, as happened in the USA — particularly in New England — as people abandoned marginal farms, trees came back and changed the landscape. The re-forestation of China probably has far less to do with the small changes in climate than it has to do with the land-use changes resulting from the migration to cities.

With an increase in trees, there was probably an increase in insects to feed bats. With more bats, insect disease vectors are better controlled. As always, there is a complex interplay between climate, vegetation, animals, and human land-use. The Simple Simon cultists do Greta one better. Greta claims she can see CO2. The cultists only see CO2. The cultists only see negative results from climate change. It is beyond their ken that a warming planet provides advantages.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
February 7, 2021 9:46 am

Well said, from start to finish.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Mr. Lee
February 7, 2021 12:04 pm

Thank You.

Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 7:31 am

Solid theory. The bats of south central China around Guangdong where SARS-Cov-1 first appeared, were getting tired of the heat from climate change. Since these bats have become “richer” they had the means to vacation to Wuhan where it was cooler. While visiting a seafood market, that just happened to be a few blocks away from the only lab in China studying corona viruses, one of the bats sneezed on a yuan while paying for a fried chicken head and transmitted the first case of SARS-Cov-2 to an unsuspecting Chinese vendor. You can basically go ahead and publish the text books right under the section on how 2+2=5.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 7:42 am

Yuanna bet?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 8:22 am

“The region identified by the study as a hotspot for a climate-driven increase in bat species richness is also home to pangolins, which are suggested to have acted as intermediate hosts to SARS-CoV-2. The virus is likely to have jumped from bats to these animals, which were then sold at a wildlife market in Wuhan – where the initial human outbreak occurred.”

Goebbels would be proud.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 9:44 am

one of the bats sneezed on a yuan while paying for a fried chicken head and transmitted the first case of SARS-Cov-2 to an unsuspecting Chinese vendor

I’d bet good money that nobody has ever strung together that exact sequence of words before.

n.n
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 2:41 pm

2+2 is politically congruent (“=”) to 5

Gordon A. Dressler
February 7, 2021 7:50 am

As regards the whiffling use of the phrase “may have driven” in the above article’s title, let’s cut to the facts and replace that with “the actions of the CCP definitely caused”.

Bats are being set up to be the “fall guys” in this story in order to complex it with “climate change”, whatever that phrase actually means.

One need only look to Zhengli-Li Shi, the Chinese “bat lady” virologist who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, using a variety of strains of viruses obtained from bats, to conduct dangerous “gain of function” research at the WIV, research that had earlier been outlawed in the US and other Western countries.

Scissor
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 7, 2021 8:59 am

Here’s a nice article from Northeastern Illinois University’s Independent newspaper that is surprisingly good. There is hope in some young people.

https://neiuindependent.org/17104/arts-life/opinion-what-they-forgot-to-tell-us-about-previous-coronaviruses/

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 9:28 am

Scissor, great article on many accounts. Thanks 1×10^6.

geo
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 11:05 am
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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Scissor
February 8, 2021 10:19 am

It’s a good article so far, I haven’t read it all yet. I saw this except:

“Intriguingly, Dr. Fauci as a director of NIAID/NIH published an official article “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread” in the Virology Journal in 2005. The researchers that Dr. Fauci supervised in 2005, experimented with hydroxychloroquine and its effects on SARS-CoV- 1. The article confirms that the hydroxychloroquine was successful in treating all the strains of coronaviruses.”

Besides noting the dishonesty of Dr. Fauci and his current negative stance on hydroxychloriquine, it should be noted from the above, that HCQ is apparently effective on more than one variety of corona virus. This may come in handy in the future for new variants of the Wuhan virus or for completely new corona viruses.

So keep your hydroxycholoriquine in a safe place for possible future use.

And here’s an interestig item I saw about a possible new treatment for the Wuhan virus:

https://saraacarter.com/report-29-out-of-30-patients-with-serious-covid-19-cases-were-cured-in-days-with-new-israeli-drug/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 8, 2021 10:00 am

“As regards the whiffling use of the phrase “may have driven” in the above article’s title, let’s cut to the facts and replace that with “the actions of the CCP definitely caused”.”

I like your version better!

We have definite evidence for your version. There’s no doubt the Chicoms deliberately spread this Wuhan virus to the rest of the world. Biological warfare. Cold-blooded.

And these cold-blooded, evil people have nuclear weapons.

The only way to deal with cold-blooded, evil people like this is to make sure they understand that if they were to precipitate some catastrophy, they would not personally survive the event.

Murderous dictators understand force. Murderous dictators will back down if they think you can kill them, and will kill them. That’s the psychology of Murderous Dictators.

Of course, sometimes you have to give a demonstration. Talk is cheap, the dictators say.

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ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 8:05 am

Was that before or after western journalists were told to leave China and local freelance reporters were jailed?

Dennis
February 7, 2021 8:13 am

I guess this proves that two wrongs make a right !
bats + climate change = good propaganda.
Ain’t science wonderful …………………..

Shanghai Dan
February 7, 2021 8:14 am

Climate Change turned me into a newt.

I got better…

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Shanghai Dan
February 7, 2021 12:13 pm

This is serious.
Did you float?
Because we knows what that means

Tom in Florida
February 7, 2021 8:26 am

“Governments must seize …”
Freudian slip?

Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2021 8:36 am

Ok people. Brace yourselves for this one! Forget bat viruses, forget cow farts, forget petulant Swedish Teenagers. THIS. IS. BIG!!

Yesterday, I saw someone use their turn signal BEFORE they entered a turn lane!!!

If that isn’t a sign of the impending apocalypse, then there can BE no apocalypse!

Based on my modeling trend, if this continues, by the end of the week, TRILLIONS of people will be obeying minor traffic laws!!

Get your guns! Get your ammo! Katie bar the door! It’s been nice knowing everyone!!!

Ted
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2021 10:16 am

They probably just missed the switch for the wipers. Now if you see that happen in a BMW, call 911 because it means the gates of hell are about to open or the car is stolen.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Ted
February 7, 2021 7:40 pm

I refuse to let you shoot holes in my perfectly logical theory! You’re just an industry shill!!

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
February 7, 2021 11:06 am

Yeah, but did they signal right and turn left? Welcome to Florida

pwwatson8888
February 7, 2021 8:37 am

What pretentions piffle. Man made a Bio-weapon then tried to blame Bats. This is the result of Man trying to play God, screwing up and then lying. The death statistics prove this. The world is run by insane people from China to Canada and the only decent President since Reagan was “offed” by the communists.

Abolition Man
Reply to  pwwatson8888
February 7, 2021 11:22 pm

The US election process has been carefully selecting for sociopaths for generations now! Both parties are now fully stocked with ASPD sufferers; how else do you explain the complete lack of remorse for the egregious lies and criminal behavior that have become commonplace since the 2016 election!
Now the elite have worked with foreign enemies to subvert the popular vote, while claiming they were saving democracy from itself! Accident or not, the ChiCom virus has been used to do more damage to human wealth and freedom than anything since religious nuts started following the prophet Marx!

Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 8:41 am

No one disputes these SARS-like corona viruses co-exist with these Chinese bat colonies. A natural ecology of symbiotic mutualism exists between the family of these Corona viruses and those bat colonies. The bats serve as a host reservoir to sustain the virus in a chronically infected, circulating state. The bats immune systems and viruses have both adapted through selection with likely very low or no fitness cost to the infected bat in exchange for providing a circulating reservoir for this RNA virus family. These virus’s high mutation rate RNA genome and infecting colinies of millions of bats form a high computational solution rate via rapidly evolving niches for both as environmental pressures shift.
The infected bat colonies then benefit via the protection it affords them from predation by other mammals, i.e. attack us, feed on us and you die of one of the multitude of various viruses we carry. Not just one virus, but pool of closely related virus strains. The permutation math is in favor of those very high numbers of both virus and bat.

We see this virus-mammal reservoir symbiotic mutualism around the world in many mammal reservoirs of nasty non-Corona viruses to humans and mammals in general: rabies, hantavirus, ebola, nipah virus, just to name several very bad viruses that use this mutualism survival strategy.
This is nature at work, a very ancient survival strategy for viruses and social species that adopt and adapt to them for colony protection.

This mutualism theme of microbes and mankind is the plot device used in HG Wells War of the Worlds sci-fi from the 1930’s. Many other world sci-fi stories use a similar plot device where a planet is protected from alien invaders by some nasty bug, microscopic to macroscopic.
In the final plot twist in War of the Worlds, we’re saved from alien destruction as the alien invaders are leveled by microbes we live with everyday. We (mammals and really all animals) live with them not in spite of living with them billions, but precisely because we have evolved with most of them.
So this idea is not new, of humans getting leveled by a virus protecting another animal species when we venture into its “home” (a cave in this case with floors piled high with biohazard virus-loaded guano).
Invoking climate change is merely more rent seeking behavior on the part of those fraudsters. This article is Just another sad Sci-fi ploy to cash in on human ignorance surrounding the scam on the CO2 we release from fossil fuels.

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 12:15 pm

Personally, I prefer skunks. They at least give a warning and one can back away.

lackawaxen123
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 12:50 pm

evolution does not “adopt and adapt” … its is random and takes hundreds of years to have an impact on colony protection …

n.n
Reply to  lackawaxen123
February 7, 2021 2:47 pm

Evolution (e.g. life) is a chaotic function that follows a known, knowable, or unknowable fitness function, which can be estimated within a limited frame of reference (i.e. scientific logical domain). Some, many people follow their intuition (e.g. assumptions, assertions, preconceptions) and infer objects from images from patterns in order to fill in the missing links.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  lackawaxen123
February 7, 2021 6:10 pm

You can believe that if you want, but it’s not what we observe.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 7, 2021 7:02 pm

Not to mention the fact that researchers at the Wuhan laboratory have an enormous reservoir of new strains of virus to look at and study. What are the odds that they serendipitously discovered the most recent iteration and started playing with it? Maybe the current “plague wasn’t specifically man made, but it’s characteristics where not lost on the discoverers. What a great pathogen to release into Western societies.

Peta of Newark
February 7, 2021 8:44 am

As I recall from somewhere ages ago, about 20% of all mammalian critters on this Earth are= bats. Flying mice.
It did strike as rather a lot but hey ho
Thus, how many more did the climate create – the place is entirely over-run (over-flown) by the wee devils already. A few more ain’t gonna matter, unless of course, you a ‘Professional Census Taker Of Dancing Angels’
and why not, good money to be had…

The CO2 and warming creating more trees is total junk.
Insane as it seems, The Hideous Pollution would have made more trees/plants/vegemitetation
The Sulphur & Nitrogen Oxides are epic plant growth promoters, each vying for premier place as the local, local to everywhere in fact, Liebig Limiter
Soot is amazingly good stuff for plants tho no-one is quite sure why.

Extra trees caused by derelict farms is a sweet sort of idea but, another distantly remembered nugget was that China has 22% of The World’s Population but only 7% of the farmland.
Population will certainly be greater now than then but farmland will (must) have decreased.
Where did they put the cities and what are they eating.
We know, always had a fondness for pork,requiring soya and now as they’ve acquired a taste for noodles made from wheat – instead of the totally tasteless & nutrient deficient rice they previously had to survive upon.
Wheat has Gluten, impossibly sticky stuff and good for absorbing, retaining/carrying flavours
Also, wheat bread combined with fat makes a superb Fake Meat – meat being = chewy stuff containing fat.
Wow, we just invented The Sandwich :-O
Isn’t science great 😀

Kinda negates the need to be eating any great lot of (flying) mice doncha think – and thus the folks thinking that can only really be described as ignorant and childish.
In Extremis

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Ric Haldane
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 7, 2021 9:30 am

Sounds like they just need a little bio engineering. Time to get out the 24D and 245T.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 7, 2021 8:41 pm

You asked, “Where did they put the cities and what are they eating.”
They are eating food that they import, paid for with cheap manufactured goods. That is why they have acquired a taste for “noodles made from wheat,” as you acknowledged.

Frank
February 7, 2021 9:10 am

Climate change made the Wuhan lab too hot so they opened the windows and the Corona Virus blew out of the room into the live market.
Yup, it was “climate change“.

n.n
Reply to  Frank
February 7, 2021 2:53 pm

Yes, expulsion, circulation of viable viruses may happen when people, perhaps with good intention, follow a mitigating strategy to overcome the indoor greenhouse effect. It is, not coincidentally, the reason for increased infections in jurisdictions that discourage outdoor activities.

Walter Sobchak
February 7, 2021 9:12 am

Horse dookey. The virus was released from the Wuhan Virology research lab. Whether it was in a wild state or had been tweaked by “gain of function” research is unclear, as is whether it was released deliberately or as a result of the reckless conduct of lab workers.

The pandemic had flat f***ing nothing to do with climate change. Nothing as in zero.

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Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 7, 2021 9:33 am

I agree with what you said, except I’d note that “reckless behavior” is probably more likely a single “careless mistake” by a tech or scientist of carrying some contaminated “fomite” out of biocontainment and initiating an infectious spread from one or several who worked there.
When we are talking RNA viruses, mutation rates are so high that “gain of function” is what they do naturally. No purposeful experiment is necessarily required when a novel host is presented to the virus, it either adapts or dies off.

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Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
February 8, 2021 9:59 am

Joel, your comment begs the question of why “Bat Lady” virologist Zhengli-Li Shi, who worked at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was co-author of an article published by scientific journal nature medicine (full version available at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4797993/ ) and found it necessary to perform gain-of-function research using mice.

If one needs a “smoking gun” to establish the origins of the current COVID-19 pandemic, just look at these verbatim quotes taken directly from the referenced article’s main body text:
“Therefore, we synthesized the SHC014 spike in the context of the replication-competent, mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone (we hereafter refer to the chimeric CoV as SHC014-MA15) to maximize the opportunity for pathogenesis and vaccine studies in mice . . . To test the ability of the SHC014 spike to mediate infection of the human airway, we examined the sensitivity of the human epithelial airway cell line Calu-3 2B4 (ref. 9) to infection and found robust SHC014-MA15 replication, compa- rable to that of SARS-CoV Urbani (Fig. 1c).”

N.B., “pathogenesis” is med-speak for “the development of a disease and the chain of events leading to that disease” . . . now, why would one want to “maximize the opportunity” for that? And mice are the laboratory animals-of-preference for closely representing human susceptibilities to infectious diseases, especially those spread via airborne transmission.

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David S
February 7, 2021 9:42 am

Climate change has definitely fostered the proliferation of one species of bat; the left wing dingbat.

n.n
Reply to  David S
February 7, 2021 2:57 pm

To be fair, the left-right governing spectrum from libertarian to liberal does not preclude divergent beliefs, other than the former is less susceptible to argument from authority and therefore less likely to kneel through unqualified faith.

Mr. Lee
February 7, 2021 9:57 am

Is the bat population problematic or not? We are supposed to take home the message that co2 is bad, but in their zeal to board the climate change gravy train, they seem to have thrown the bats under the bus.

lackawaxen123
Reply to  Mr. Lee
February 7, 2021 12:52 pm

they didn’t count the number of bats or bat species … they have no idea what the effects are on actual bats …

n.n
Reply to  Mr. Lee
February 7, 2021 3:01 pm

The bats in one case. The birds and bats in another. People are notably green at best, about what they characterize as positive development, and tend to follow their intuition (e.g. cargo cult science) or defer to authority, especially with actual or promised redistributive secular incentives.

BallBounces
February 7, 2021 9:59 am

Next up: “The exponential science funding effects (XPO-SFE) of Climate Change/Covid Intersectionality (CCCI)”.

Andy Pattullo
February 7, 2021 10:05 am

They say a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. This “chain of logic” barely deserve the term, being no more than a bunch of tenuous theories linked together like strips of wet toilet paper.

Tom Morrow
February 7, 2021 10:12 am

I’m still trying to figure out this pseudo-religious belief that humans can magically affect climate change. Or that we’ve even caused any of it. Where is the supporting data? Nullius in verba.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Morrow
February 8, 2021 10:38 am

There are a lot of theories. None confirmed.

Stevek
February 7, 2021 10:33 am

My toilet clogged today, I’m blaming climate change.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Stevek
February 7, 2021 10:45 am

But did you apply for a research grant? and do you special contacts in agencies and at science journals? and do you have some specials friends at media outlets?

Some toilets and more equal than others.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Stevek
February 7, 2021 11:04 am

That’s a load of crap.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Stevek
February 7, 2021 12:11 pm

Increased food production due to CO2 so you eat more and therefor have larger egress portions.

Send check pls

Mad Mac
Reply to  Stevek
February 7, 2021 3:42 pm

I was reminded that a few years ago the sewage system in San Francisco clogged and the city had to spend 100 million dollars to fix it. Climate change? No the required low flow toilets caused the problem. More unintended consequences.

Hoyt Clagwell
February 7, 2021 10:35 am

Any objective scientist would conclude from this study that the last 100 years of climate change, regardless of cause, has been highly beneficial for bats, pangolins, and forests in China.

fretslider
February 7, 2021 11:22 am

Don’t mention that shoddy lab whatever you do…

donald penman
February 7, 2021 11:51 am

Everything bad COULD be caused by climate change but I am not going to be herded by these people into following their green agenda by their fearmongering.

Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 12:09 pm

Since biodiversity is now “bad” as well, climate change “policy” is the solution

Carpeting China with solar panels and wind turbines requires razing vast stretches of wild land and so intermittent power is the solution to bat diversity

And they will chop and fry the ones that are left

Wins on all sides

Except for the bats I suppose

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 12:22 pm

You are what you eat in Chinese wet markets.

The rest of us don’t even have to attend. Opting out of the bat soup is not an option.

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 12:26 pm

The endless climate con game continues.

lackawaxen123
February 7, 2021 12:44 pm

so they didn’t actually count the number of bat species … they assume they moved because the food they like expanded its growing area … any study that uses the word “could” as often as they do should be thrown out as garbage …

Bruce Cobb
February 7, 2021 12:47 pm

I heard they had billions of bats in a Yunnan cave.
6 billion, to be exact.

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lackawaxen123
February 7, 2021 12:53 pm

they keep using the term climate change yet obviously have no idea what it means …

February 7, 2021 12:57 pm

This is a hilarious and infantile logical failure.
More CO2 makes more trees.
And this is bad because bats live in forests!
So it makes more bats which makes more coronaviruses.

So what next? The final solution for bats? Or trees?
Come back Agent Orange all is forgiven?

This is a cautionary tale of the pitfalls of linear catholic logic.
It takes you to insanely stupid places.

Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
February 7, 2021 1:02 pm

“The fact that climate change can accelerate the transmission of wildlife pathogens to humans should be an urgent wake-up call to reduce global emissions,” added Professor Camilo Mora at the University of Hawai’i at Manoa, who initiated the project.

Camilo Moron.
So now wildlife is bad?
Better tell David Attenborough

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
February 8, 2021 11:29 am

The obvious logical conclusion is to eliminate wildlife that can be a threat to humans. /sarc

February 7, 2021 1:10 pm

Geneticists at Cambridge UK showed that covid19 crossed from bats to Humans in Yunnan province before becoming established in Wuhan. Then spreading with mutation to Europe and everywhere else. This was about a year ago.

https://ptolemy2.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/the-genetic-web-of-coronavirus-origin-in-yunnan-not-wuhan/

covid19 yunnan origins genetic world tour.jpeg
Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
February 8, 2021 8:35 pm

And other geneticists, not at Cambridge UK, have revealed the very unexpected “insertion” of four combined genetic sequences (680SPRRAR↓SV687), consistent with a segment of the human HIV virus, to create a new furin cleavage site in the spike glycoprotein of the SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) virus . . . something they maintain would have essentially zero chance of happening via natural mutation.

Going further: “The CoV [coronavirus] with the highest nucleotide sequence homology, isolated from a bat in Yunnan in 2013 (RaTG-13), does not have [this] furin cleavage sequence.” — ref: https://www.virology.ws/2020/02/13/furin-cleavage-site-in-the-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-glycoprotein/

So there.

Rud Istvan
February 7, 2021 1:30 pm

Had to do some research to call BS on this paper.
Yunnan is mountainous, with elevation ranging from about 100 meters to 3000. The valleys are tropical, the mountain slopes are subtropical, and the mountain tops are forest/grassland alpine ecologies.

Although Yunnan accounts for only 4.1% of China’s land area, it accounts for over half of all plant species because of the ecological diversity. To be exact, 19333 plant species in 3084 genera in 440 families.

The Notion that climate change since 1900 could somehow significantly impact that vast biodiversity and therefore bats is just batshit crazy.

Curious George
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 7, 2021 2:24 pm

“The region identified by the study as a hotspot for a climate-driven increase in bat species richness is also home to pangolins, which are suggested to have acted as intermediate hosts to SARS-CoV-2. The virus is likely to have jumped from bats to these animals, which were then sold at a wildlife market in Wuhan – where the initial human outbreak occurred.”

I like the very scientific workaround, explaining the 1000 km distance from the study area to Wuhan.

Clarky of Oz
February 7, 2021 2:24 pm

This assumes the Virus originated in a Chinese bat. Nobody knows for sure. Or do they?

jorgekafkazar
February 7, 2021 3:02 pm

Batpoop.

Geoff Sherrington
February 7, 2021 4:07 pm

A geochemist, at my own expense, I made 5 visits to Yunnan province and travelled widely there, sometimes with my wife. I even had birds nest soup with the makings gathered from a large bat cave next to the restaurant. Our hobby interest in the yellow-flowered camellia species then being let known to the world and rhododendrons in general led us to have 2 graduate botanist interpreters from the world-famous Kunming Institute of Botany. Business wise, I had been involved with major resources development including large forestry plantations and paper mills in Australia.
In respect of the Cambridge paper here, there are some unsaid factors. One is that some changes to native vegetation started in the late 1890s as Chinese gold rush workers returned home and planted seeds of good Australian trees like Eucalyptus robusta (“Silky Oak” or “Swamp Mahogany”). These are now widespread through the province and often line city streets of the capital Kunming. Later. as China developed a paper industry, large plantations appeared in the landscape around 1985 and are still happening. One of the plantation trees we often saw, for whatever uses, was the Australian blue gum, E. globulus. The point is that global warming was far from the only influence on vegetation type changes.
Another factor was population growth in Yunnan. In 1901 (the start of one of their study periods), much of the landscape was unable to be settled away from sources of natural water because it was so mountianous. With the advent of electricity and pumps, habitation went increasingly uphill and removed a lot of native forest. The flat land farming was intensive from years ago, but it had to expand and use more irrigation as the population grew over the last century. More changes not driven by global warming.
The Yunnan temperature records for the past century were affected as to quality and scope by the Industrial Revolution. To this day I do not know if Yunnan warmed at all in the last century and I doubt if others know either. The authors show a hard-to-read graph comparing monthly T for 30 years starting 1901 with 30 years starting 1990 but there is little temperature change to be seen.
On the topic of species relocation from global warming, they refer readers to Parmesan 2006, a paper on butterflies slammed by critics for blatant cherry picking.
Overall, this reads like another sausage machine paper from Germany’s finest activism centre at Potsdam, with the usual technique of ignoring inconvenient objections and using imagination (with easy, unsupported sentences such as “estimated climate change-driven increase of around 40 bat species across the region “ to roll over proper science and lack of detailed knowledge with weasel words and approximations. Quite a shameful effort, really. Geoff S

February 7, 2021 4:49 pm

“To get their results, the researchers created a map of the world’s vegetation as it was a century ago, using records of temperature, precipitation, and cloud cover. Then they used information on the vegetation requirements of the world’s bat species to work out the global distribution of each species in the early 1900s.”

In other words, they didn’t collect the vegetation data. Instead they created it using models based on whatever limited and poor-quality weather data they could find for a remote backward region over 100 years ago.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
February 8, 2021 11:43 pm

RDW,
When you travel Yunnan with botanists, they show you what is named “original vegetation” or similar, very often in the grounds of long-time monasteries. Step outside the monastery walls and you see much different tree assemblages. Some places, like the top of Zi Xi mountain, arenear original because there are many old monasteries there and the whole cap of thiese hills is a collection of what was there before. Such preserved sites are not common. It is hard to imagine the value of the methods these authors use, as you note.

Robert of Texas
February 7, 2021 5:53 pm

I thought it was racist to suggest the SARS-CoV-2 virus came from China? I was amazed through this to discover that Chinese are a race as well – I always though it was just a place???

The SARS-CoV-2 virus evolved because it was somehow beneficial to do so – for the virus. It has nothing to do with climate change, or warming, or China.
Bats have a very ramped up immune system, so when a virus evolves that does well in a bat and then finds a way to get into a human it is going to propagate quickly and likely be very dangerous. Eventually it will probably evolve into a less dangerous form in the human population because killing people is not helpful to its spread – but there is no guarantee of this. An RNA based virus that propagates quickly is also more likely to mutate into forms that can keep the virus spreading – in some cases forever like a FLU virus.

You might be able to blame the bats for SARS-CoV-2 (at least their immune systems), but you certainly cannot blame Climate Change. That is just ridiculous and sad.

ATheoK
February 7, 2021 9:02 pm

A new study published today in the journal Science of the Total Environment provides the first evidence of a mechanism by which climate change could have played a direct role in the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that caused the COVID-19 pandemic.”

Waffle word fantasies.

The only thing that hearing the words “climate change” actually trigger are deep seated needs for engorgement at the climate funding trough.

Peter
February 8, 2021 1:10 am

And I thought bat populations were declining due to climate change…

“populations of many bat species are declining because of threats such as climate change, habitat loss and degradation, hunting and emerging disease”

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/oryx/article/bat-conservation-in-china-should-protection-of-subterranean-habitats-be-a-priority/4AD4FC8E1F088AF7498DE342B2F019F3

Eric Vieira
February 8, 2021 1:47 am

No “natural mechanism” can generate a 4-5 aminoacid (12-15 base pairs) optimized furin cleavage site in a viral genome. See: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/05/19/smoking-gun-proving-sars-cov-2-was-lab-created.aspx
This virus is a complete stand-alone among other members of this viral family. Ask Fauci and the people of the viral research labs in Wuhan what happened (if they haven’t been “disappeared”). Apparently one even goes as far to even create new Journals “Science of the Total Environment?” to publish even the most face palm provocating rubbish. They’re not following the science, they’re destroying it. Even top journals are playing a role in this: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/medical-journal-cover-up-origins-sars-cov-2/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=2a798b16-0fa4-459f-be4c-0c8246d786da

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Rusty
February 8, 2021 3:04 am

It has more to do with the Chinese hunting bats for food and then transporting them into highly populated urban areas.

ozspeaksup
February 8, 2021 4:03 am

saw this at science alert n thought it was crap
2nd read and i still do
some bats like trees but it seems the main covid carriers prefer caves
isnt it odd the super stressed ones in usa who all got whitenose fungus etc havent managed to spread anything around?
people tramping around all the caves checking bats spread the fungus too, Eu copped it as well suspect brought in BY the same “science types’
its definitely seeming tropical and warm clime ones are culprits
ie hendra in aus ,nipah in indonesia and MERS in mid east

Carl Friis-Hansen
February 8, 2021 5:48 am

This is confirmed by Luisa Neubauer (German Greta Thunberg handler) in a newly statement.
Therefore we now know for certain that the plant food CO2 is causing SARS-CoV-2. It is peer reviewed by Luisa.

Hmm – do I need to add SARC tag?
https://t.me/mellemtiden/112

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ResourceGuy
February 8, 2021 1:52 pm

Yes, climate change causes wet markets to co-locate next to the only SARS research lab in Asia. The model says so.

Now give me my promotion and next grant.

ResourceGuy
February 8, 2021 1:55 pm

The Great Bat Chernobyl is upon you and Biden will shower you with free money for the next four years.

February 9, 2021 2:42 am

Just found that about the CC attribution to the bat increase:

Dr Dann Mitchell – joint Met Office chair in climate hazards at the University of Bristol, who was not involved in the study – tells Carbon Brief about issues with the climate data used:

“Using some of our best climate observations, the authors identify a strong climate-driven signal over Myanmar and Laos, but there will be large uncertainties associated with variables such as cloud cover in that region, especially 100 years ago in South Asia – there is a lot of missing data there.””

Dr Matthew Struebig, from the University of Kent, is a member of the group, and warns that this map distribution data is “grossly insufficient”. He adds:

“Many species are not fully assessed, and too many are so poorly known they are only documented as a few dots on a map. Very little is known about optimum or preferred vegetation types – especially in the region highlighted in this study.

The study estimates the bat fauna of southern China and neighbouring countries increased by a whopping 40+ species in around 120 years. To put that into perspective, that would mean the number of bat species in Myanmar doubled in little over a century. Simply looking back at old species accounts and ecological studies from the region shows this simply did not happen.”

He adds that he is “sceptical of the link” between climate change and bat distribution change, and that the study makes “too many assumptions for me to conclude that climate change could have increased the likelihood of the pandemic occurring in this way”.”

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