Winter Storm Threatens Germany’s Power…Freezing Hell Threatens If Already Rickety Grid Collapses!

Reposted from the NoTricksZone

By P Gosselin on 6. February 2021

Green energy and COVID-19 lockdowns are playing energy Russian roulette with people’s lives. Perfect winter storm brewing. 

A winter blizzard is set to strike Central Europe, bringing with it the potential to wreak power outage havoc. Temperatures will plummet to as low as -15°C accompanied by bone-chilling high winds. Closed shops due to COVID-19 are leaving citizens unprepared. A protracted power outage would be devastating. 

In the coming hours, a high pressure system situated over Scandinavia and storm Tristan to the south will collide over central Europe and develop into dangerous weather conditions over one of Europe’s most populated regions, North Rhine Westphalia Germany.

Watch the Kachelmann forecast (in German) here. 

There are some major problems with this storm that will test the German power grid stability and even possibly the citizens’ ability to fend for themselves.

Power grid at risk: hours of freezing rain

First will be the band of freezing rain that is forecast across the Ruhr region of North Rhine Westphalia. According to Kachelmannwetter.de, the freezing rain period could last hours and thus lead to heavy weight loads on power transmission structures as ice builds up. Lines could collapse.

High winds – even heavier loads

To make matters worse, high winds will further exacerbate the loads on the already ice-coated power transmission infrastructure – thus increasing the probability of power line structural failure and an ensuing power blackout, which in turn could cascade and threaten the European power grid.

Winter blackout not unprecedented

Such a blackout would not be unprecedented. In 2006, a major European blackout was caused by a disconnection of a powerline crossing in northwest Germany. The power outage quickly cascaded across Europe, extending from Poland in the north-east, to the Benelux countries and France in the west, through to Portugal, Spain and Morocco in the south-west, and across to Greece and the Balkans in the south-east.

Also just last month a major European blackout was narrowly averted. The cause: wintry weather, which was mild compared to what is forecast to hit soon.

November snow storm 2005

Wintry weather causing a blackout also occurred on November 25, 2005, in northwest Germany when the region was hit by a snow storm. Power transmission lines, which had been poorly maintained over the previous years, collapsed under the weight of ice and caused a large blackout. According to power company RWE, around 250,000 people in 25 municipalities lost power.

Grid more destabilized than ever – unsteady green energies

Another problem with this weekend’s coming storm – in addition to high winds and ice – is the fact that Germany’s power grid is more unstable than ever – thanks to the wildly fluctuating supply from wind and solar energy. Also a number of baseload-providing nuclear and coal power plants have been taken out of service, thus further destabilizing the country’s and continent’s power grid.

Power grid winter Russian roulette with people’s lives

The forecast weather conditions mean almost zero solar energy, and the expected high winds may necessitate the shutdown of wind turbines or cause wild feed-in fluctuations. One thing is certain, the grid will be challenged over the coming hours and days.

Most likely the grid will hold up and keep everyone out of the cold and darkness. But the bad news is that in the wintertime the country’s power grid has turned into a game of energy roulette and citizens have to rely on “a little luck” every time the weather turns stormy and frigid cold – thanks in large part to disastrous energy policies by the German government.

The worst time for any blackout is during a period of blizzard and bitter cold. People can freeze to death quickly. In such times they rely more than ever on a stable power supply.

What if there’s a longer term blackout?

For my wife and I here in northwest Germany, we would be toast.

With this weekend’s forecast high winds and temperatures dropping to near -15°C, we’d not only lose both power but also heat. Our natural gas furnace is controlled electrically, so it would cease to function too. Within hours the house would turn very cold and uninhabitable. We don’t have a woodstove or a fireplace. We’d have to move in with friends or relatives who have wood heat.

It would not be possible to go out and buy a generator to power the furnace because the stores are closed – due to Corona! I’ve got a gas bottle for the barbecue grill, but it’s almost empty. And I can’t fill it because the shops are closed – due to Corona. What a time for a lockdown – just when people need to be preparing the most.

Without heat at home, we could just stay at a hotel, right? Wrong. They’re closed too – because of COVID. So are bars and restaurants.

All the ingredients for a perfect disaster

Across the country, many people face the same scenario. Most would somehow get by, I’m sure. But if a blackout should occur, many will risk freezing to death in large part because of the self-inflicted green energies grid instability and the Corona lockdowns making it impossible for them to prepare properly.

We can almost see the perfect disaster brewing.

Unfortunately, this is what the government has left its citizens with: hope for the best! A game of energy Russian Roulette. The winter bullet is in the chamber. We can only hope to miss it.

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Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 2:16 am

If the blackout is bad, I suspect the government would be forced to respond by reactivating its mothballed nuclear plants.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 3:01 am

Doesn’t it depend on how long it tales to remove those mothballs?

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Mike Lowe
February 7, 2021 8:43 am

And how do they get those poor moths to get into the carrier?
Moth treats?

Duker
Reply to  Mike Lowe
February 7, 2021 1:21 pm

I think he means public opinion will force the reactivation over some years, but no doubt they will blame Brexit and global warming first

ATheoK
Reply to  Mike Lowe
February 7, 2021 8:55 pm

And to replace the critical staff they let go when the reactor was shut down.

Alex
Reply to  Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 4:16 am

No way. The greens made them inoperable to prevent this.

Scissor
Reply to  Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 6:38 am

Can’t they let everyone be miserable and just blame “climate change”?

Don
Reply to  Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 7:18 pm

That is a very difficult thing to do and would take weeks if not months . You just don’t have to flick a switch .

Reply to  Roger Knights
February 7, 2021 9:03 pm

Posted in 2013:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/01/water-is-replacing-climate-as-the-next-un-environmental-resource-scare/#comment-1131731
[excerpt]

My primary concern at this time is that Earth is about to enter a period of global cooling that could be severe, and could result in significant loss of life, especially among the elderly of Britain and Europe, since the fearless leaders of those countries have created “the perfect storm” by damaging their energy systems with costly and ineffective grid-connected wind and solar power schemes – “solutions” to a false global warming crisis in a cooling world.

We warned of this debacle in 2002, but to no effect. It has all, regrettably, unfolded as it should not have.

We wrote in 2002:

[PEGG, reprinted at their request by several other professional journals , the Globe and Mail and la Presse in translation, by Baliunas, Patterson and MacRae]
Formerly at: http://www.apega.ca/members/publications/peggs/WEB11_02/kyoto_pt.htm
Now at: http://www.friendsofscience.org/assets/documents/KyotoAPEGA2002REV1.pdf

On global warming:
“Climate science does not support the theory of catastrophic human-made global warming – the alleged warming crisis does not exist.”

On green energy:
“The ultimate agenda of pro-Kyoto advocates is to eliminate fossil fuels, but this would result in a catastrophic shortfall in global energy supply – the wasteful, inefficient energy solutions proposed by Kyoto advocates simply cannot replace fossil fuels.”

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Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 2:57 am

In Germany it’s election year. I’m even hoping that such an event happens, before they shut even more energy infrastructure down due to the rising number of green voters… Hopefully these people will then think twice when they fill out their ballot…

Spetzer86
Reply to  Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 7:00 am

Green and thinking are two words rarely used together in a sentence.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 7:02 am

Schadenfreude will get us nowhere, Eric. If there is a disaster this time, it will be explained as damage to the power lines from the ice storm. “Don’t be absurd, nothing to do with renewable energy”. (Whether true or not).

Even if there would be a prolonged cold period with still winds, resulting in a grid collapse, and no icestorm-damaged infrastructure to blame, they will think of some excuse for griff to propagate. The natural gas plants failed obviously. A 1000-year event… Maybe denier saboteurs–must root out the traitors in our midst.

I hope that nobody dies.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 7, 2021 8:13 am

It’s not schadenfreud, there needs to be an example the world can’t ignore, sooner or later someone will have to pay.
Europe is much further along the green insanity curve so they are likely it, california not going to see -20 any time soon

Peter
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 8:25 am

-20C in Europe is equivalent to -7C in California, Bay Area. I personally experienced -3C there. With poor house insulation and PG&E Tier pricing it would be same problem as -20C in Europe.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 8:59 am

In this particular scenario, if there is a big outage with downed power lines, it will be reasonable to blame the problem on the ice storm. That would be something that would have caused the outage even if the grid were 100% coal-powered. Maybe the ice storm itself is due to Climate Change ™. If we try to say it was due to unreliable sources of power, that will discredit us. Just ask griff if I’m right on this. He’s probably already using the excuse proactively.

However, it would be good if there were a long series of frequent failures undeniably due to insufficient wind and solar, long enough to get people struggling to stay warm, and fearing for their lives, but not long enough for anybody to actually die. Maybe when ordinary people see their electric bill double, but they no longer have anything approaching reliable power, then they will figure it out on their own.

Stevecsd
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 7, 2021 10:34 pm

I have read that the cost of industrial energy in Germany has close to tripled in the last 5-7 years. Isn’t that enough of a wake up call?

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 8, 2021 11:52 am

I imagine the wind turbines and solar panels will produce next to nothing due to icing of turbine blades and snow and ice cover on panels – and they want to cram electric vehicles down people’s throats, so they won’t be able to get to the snow and ice choked power generation infrastructure and clean things off when there’s no power, will they?!

“Green” energy (NOT) is stupidity cubed.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
February 8, 2021 5:29 am

“If there is a disaster this time, it will be explained as damage to the power lines from the ice storm. “Don’t be absurd, nothing to do with renewable energy”. (Whether true or not).”

Exactly.

One thing they won’t be able to hide is that windmills and solar panels barely operate, if at all, in this kind of weather.

Jeff Meyer
Reply to  Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 7:58 am

Hopefully those ballots will be counted correctly…… Unlike here in the good old US of A.

Robertvd
Reply to  Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 1:30 pm

With a bit of luck the iceload on the wind turbine blades could do the job . Wouldn’t it be fantastic if most of these monsters would not survive the storm.

accordionsrule
Reply to  Eric Vieira
February 7, 2021 7:02 pm

They will simply blame the -15 degrees on CO2.

AntonyIndia
Reply to  accordionsrule
February 10, 2021 4:29 am

26.7 C measured in Muhlhausen (216 m elevation) this morning : https://twitter.com/DWD_presse/status/1359407965011398656

AntonyIndia
Reply to  AntonyIndia
February 10, 2021 4:37 am

Sorry, already broken: -30.2 in Olbersleben a new >century cold record for that location: https://www.bild.de/news/inland/news-inland/alle-schnee-news-im-live-ticker-wetter-in-deutschland-75245828.bild.html

Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 7, 2021 3:02 am

Friends are already sending me pictures of the snow fall in their gardens. It began pre-dawn in The Netherlands. I am very concerned for the welfare of all my friends living under this storm. May everyone stay safe and warm!

Scissor
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 7, 2021 7:03 am

As long as some canals freeze over, all will be well.

commieBob
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 7, 2021 10:17 am

A dear Canadian friend who moved to Rotterdam a few years ago, tells me the country is shut down. Naturally, she threw on her Hudson’s Bay coat, went for a walk, and took pictures. It’s beautiful, but not a lot of people out and about to get in the way of the scenery.

Wim Röst
Reply to  commieBob
February 7, 2021 10:30 am

It is minus five degrees Celsius and very windy: 5 – 7 Bft. After many warm winters, people are not used to low temperatures. But everybody I heard enjoys the real winter. When the canals are frozen you will see the Dutch outside: skating. Today I have seen many beautiful pictures, people enjoyed. A short impression from parts of the Netherlands:
https://nos.nl/video/2367721-vlieg-mee-over-wit-alkmaar-den-bosch-en-brabantse-natuur.html

Scissor
Reply to  Wim Röst
February 7, 2021 11:48 am

Looks pretty but cold.

Climate believer
February 7, 2021 3:24 am

Remind me again why colder is better…

Derg
Reply to  Climate believer
February 7, 2021 4:37 am

No kidding, for me, It’s -19F currently.

Scissor
Reply to  Derg
February 7, 2021 7:05 am
Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 8:11 am

-39 in Ft mac

commieBob
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 10:22 am

C or F? LOL

Scissor
Reply to  commieBob
February 7, 2021 11:48 am

Yes.

A. R. Timms
Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 11:50 am

This must be why the City of Edmonton Council declared two years ago that we have a climate emergency in Edmonton.

Reply to  Scissor
February 7, 2021 10:05 pm

https://globalnews.ca/news/7623488/edmonton-weather-extreme-cold-arctic-air/
{excerpt}
“Cold on the Prairies is very common. In fact, we were looking back in recent history to see the last time that Edmonton saw -40 C. That’s not a wind chill index, that’s an absolute degrees Celsius temperature and the Edmonton airport has at least reached it in the last two years consecutively,” Hoffman said.
“We’re not stranger to this cold, especially in the outlying areas of Edmonton.”
However, she noted the weather station at Edmonton city centre hasn’t dipped to -40 C since 1972.
“It’s quite rare to reach that -40 C in the city centre, although not as rare for outlying areas and low-lying areas.”
_____________
 
The low forecast for Calgary this week is -32C.
 
The same network posted the following headline:
“‘Incredibly destructive’: Canada’s Prairies to see devastating impact of climate change”
 
You have to be a total idiot to believe that a little warming will be bad for the Canadian prairies – we are freezing here. Warming is not a threat, but cooling truly is. Even minor cooling will mean the end of farming in the Peace River District – it will revert to ranching like it was decades ago.
 

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
February 8, 2021 8:15 am

9am in Calgary and it has “warmed up” to minus25C, deemed minus34C with the wind chill.
 
The brass monkeys have been brought indoors. The birds, bunnies and squirrels are not so fortunate.
 
I am so grateful for our meagre amount of “global warming” and am mystified by those who rant and screech against it.
 
I suspect that those anti-warming “screechers” have never experienced real cold – I suggest they try working outdoors at minus 50, as I have – call it an exercise in re-calibration. 

commieBob
Reply to  Climate believer
February 7, 2021 10:21 am

I hate it when the temperature gets much above 25 C … but maybe that’s just me. 🙂

Scissor
Reply to  mwhite
February 7, 2021 7:51 am

Nice!

Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 3:36 am

“We don’t have a woodstove or a fireplace.”
The climate alarmists don’t want anyone to burn wood.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 4:02 am

Wrong, it’s “wanted” Green Energy”.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 4:08 am

No- the greens hate burning wood becaues it releases CO2. They do NOT consider it “green energy”. There is a movement in America and Europe to stop cutting any tree for any purpose- the idea is that even if we stop all carbon emissions- that won’t save the Earth- so we should also begin reducing CO2 in the air- and to do that, we must lock up the forests. I’ve been a forester for 48 years and I currently battle against those idiots who hate all tree cutting- so I know what I’m talking about.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 4:41 am

The German “Umwelthilfe” (Enviroement Help) promoted for years woodstoves and pellet stoves as sustainenbal energy source, not many people like it, but the number increased to millions in Gemrany

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 5:26 am

And I agree that wood is a good thing- for all sorts of products and for energy- both to burn in your home and for electric power. It requires excellent forest management. Good forestry is an old art in Germany going back a thousand years. Good thing they have wood to burn in Germany when their power grid fails with only wind and solar.

Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 9:36 am

A wood stove is not of much use when you cannot get wood – just like a diesel vehicle (which were also promoted and are now demonized) is not of much use when you cannot get diesel.

Now, I will admit that there are quite a few more people who have a wood lot outside their back door than those that have an oil refinery out that door – but still a minuscule number.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  writing observer
February 7, 2021 7:11 pm

During the 1970s “energy crisis” in the United States, one of the news networks ran a story about a guy in Colorado who had solved his fuel problem. He installed a wood burning stove, and a wood burning furnace in his house in the mountains. Then he got on every junk mail list he could find. The (literally) tons of paper delivered to him by the US Postal Service kept him warm and able to cook, both at zero cost to him.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
February 8, 2021 2:52 pm

Red ink smells and tastes best…’specially around the Holidays.
🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 5:33 am

What I forgot to mention is the fact, that CO2 from wood burning, private and in powerplants, has not to be added to the German CO2 budget, because of the sustainability of wood = biomass

One example of many

wood heating plants, for the climate 😀

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 5:47 am

It’s a big debate now- is wood burning “carbon neutral” or not. It’s a very complicated subject. It’s not if you look at the smoke going up the chimney- but it is if you look at the well managed forests where the wood comes from- because if well managed, those forests are adding carbon all the time. I won’t go further with this because it’s probably not of much interest here- but if the subject comes up, I can say more as I battle forestry haters every day here in Massachusetts- a very, very politically correct state.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 8:29 am

The problem, Joseph, is that it takes 80 years to grow the tree in your back yard that you have to cut down to heat your house for one winter. If wood is used for home heating, the trees within 100 miles of LA are consumed in a a couple of years. Applying forest regrowth stats to the size of the problem doesn’t work overall, even if the numbers work out that you can grow enough wood every year for a plant like Drax to burn….calculate how much back yard is needed for someone to grow enough grass to heat their house all winter with dried straw ? The real estate cost alone is prohibitive.

Fran
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 7, 2021 9:02 am

Right. In the old days in Quebec and Ontario, every farm had 5-10 acres of woodlot. Thats what it takes to heat with wood in Canada.

Bill Rocks
Reply to  Fran
February 7, 2021 10:44 am

Yes.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Fran
February 7, 2021 11:43 am

And when done carefully- they didn’t use up the forest- they’d burn the trees unlikely to grow into high value timber. At least this is true in New England. Maybe farther north with only 5 acres or so- you might need all of the wood growing on that acreage for home heating. Well, 10 would do better. Much more than 10 and much of the extra growth could go into high value sawlog growth.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 7, 2021 11:38 am

Irrelevant how long it takes another tree to replace it –because the rest of the forest NOT cut that year is doing the job. I keep saying this but simpletons can’t get it. And, of COURSE everyone in LA won’t heat with wood. Who said they would? Nobody says wood energy will serve all energy needs of mankind- it’s just one of many sources of energy which should not end because some tree huggers don’t like it. Your comments about straw are also irrelevant.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 8, 2021 2:59 pm

How much heat is needed in LA?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  DMacKenzie
February 8, 2021 2:55 pm

Trees grow a lot faster than you think.
Anyplace with rain and that is not bitterly cold most of the year can grow a tree in a couple of decades.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
February 8, 2021 2:58 pm

Hailed as the leading commercial timber tree in the southeast United States, the native Loblolly pine grows rapidly with a straight trunk clear of branches. It reaches 50 feet in just 20 years, and when mature can top 100 feet with a trunk diameter between 2-3 feet. The bark on young trees is usually dark, blackish-brown and scaly.”

LOBLOLLY PINE | fast growing pole wood (treeplantation.com)

Just sayin’.

paul courtney
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
February 9, 2021 11:34 am

Mr. M.-glad to see you posting. Great telephone poles, but pine will ruin residential chimney, coating clay liner with creosote that will catch fire at some point and crack the liner. Not so bad with steel flu liner.
As for LA, they don’t need the heat, they need the ambience.
What do you think of the WHO “investigation” finding C-19 certainly did not come from a lab in Wuhan?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  paul courtney
February 10, 2021 3:00 am

True, and there is not much energy density in softwoods to begin with.
But hardwoods grow a lot faster than 80 years from planting to usable firewood as well in most places on the planet.
If you want large planks of clear grade lumber for fine furniture that is a different story.
I was under the impression though, that those pellets they have been shipping over the sea are mostly southern yellow pine.

For ambience, hard to beat gas coming up through a bed of glass pebbles, but that is a matter of taste I guess.

As for COVID…the whole issue has become, IMO, farcically political and subject to too much bias and opinionating.
It makes meaningful discussion of the facts problematic…again, IMO.

At this point I would not bet much money on my ability to separate out fact from fiction in order to arrive at anything conclusive.
Having said that…I would not trust a political organization like WHO to report on anything with candor. Certainly not this issue.

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wadesworld
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 9:56 am

The “biofuel” plants of the green energy movement burn mostly wood pellets.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  wadesworld
February 7, 2021 11:40 am

Yes, wood pellets- but you’re mistaken if you think the greenies like pellets. They hate them. I’m in the middle of the battle over wood energy so I know it well. It’s NOT part of the green energy movement- yet, ironically, it is a green energy. Instead of destroying forests for solar and wind farms- we MANAGE the forests to produce wood products that EVERYBODY loves AND energy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 8, 2021 5:57 am

It sounds like you are fighting the good fight, Joseph. 🙂

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 6:25 am

Unless it’s in pellet form and shipped from across the sea. 😕

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
February 7, 2021 7:41 am

Nothing wrong with shipping it- like everything else. On really big ships which keeps the cost and “carbon footprint” small.

lackawaxen123
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 7, 2021 8:47 am

1 really big ship requires hundreds of tractor-trailers hauling the wood pellets from hundreds or thousands of miles to fill it up for the trip … woods pellets are far from carbon neutral … they are just a virtue signaling heat source that moves the actual carbon and pollution footprint away from the user and spreads it out over other countries/states so it is not noticed by the local carbon police …

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
February 8, 2021 12:07 pm

Unless it’s in pellet form and shipped from across the sea.

And there’s the irony; how much: diesel fuel or gasoline for “chipping” the wood products to be “pelletized,” diesel fuel or gasoline (or coal fired electricity) for turning it into “pellets,” diesel fuel for trucks and trains to haul the pellets to the coast, “Bunker C” fuel for the ships crossing the Atlantic, and how much diesel for lorries or trains to get the pellets in quantity to Drax to burn them has been expended before the pellet burning generates its first bit of energy?!

All while refusing to use the mountains of coal you’re (still) standing on.

The stupid, it burns.

fred250
February 7, 2021 3:40 am

I really want to see the UK get hit by a series of blackouts..

.. maybe then Boris’s “johnson” will be able to think more clearly about the people’s needs..

rather than its own needs.

Phillip Bratby
Reply to  fred250
February 7, 2021 7:32 am

Me too. I have a standby generator, a wood stove, oil-fired central heating and two camping stoves with several gas bottles. “Be prepared” we used to say in the scouts, and with this government and its insane policies, people sure need to be prepared to look after themselves.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Phillip Bratby
February 7, 2021 11:05 am

I have just had a dual fuel stove installed and I have a camping stove. 2021 and we have to worry about things that were sorted decades ago madness.

Notanacademic
Reply to  fred250
February 7, 2021 10:47 am

I live in the UK and although it would be very unpleasant especially in winter I agree with you. Perhaps he’d think more clearly if he didn’t have an ecoloon looking after the contents of his pants, or is that what you were getting at?

Gerry, England
February 7, 2021 3:44 am

Yes, gas fired central heating needs electricity for the boiler control and circulation pump. A stand alone gas fire would work but I think these days they are more likely to have electric controls to mimic central heating so won’t work. I have a fireplace, a stack of wood and a small gas heater with spare cylinder. Luckily the UK will escape the worst of the cold.

There really will have to be a big failure and loss of life to bring about a change. It will require an alternative at the ballot box – unless you are in the US where you can just dial up votes an win regardless – as in the UK there is not currently.

Paul C
Reply to  Gerry, England
February 7, 2021 8:10 am

Again in the UK, we have been lucky not to experience extensive blackouts for years. Heating at this time of year is critical, and my parents retained the gas fire in the living room because of the regular powercuts of the seventies due to miners strikes and power workers industrial action. New houses are generally too airtight to permit solid fuel appliances, and the planned restrictions on gas heating will only increase dependence on grid electricity. I keep batteries stocked for lighting and radio, and have a multifuel stove (briquettes) for some heat, and a gas hob for hot food and drinks. I have even considered installing a small off grid solar system just to provide minimal electricity for some lights and central heating operation. If it gets too windy for the whirlygigs to generate, we could face problems.

Redge
February 7, 2021 3:47 am

Is there a German equivalent of gridwatch?

TIA

saveenergy
Reply to  Redge
February 7, 2021 6:27 am

I used to have a German link but it went dead some time ago ! (energy data is constantly being restricted )

I’ve got this general German one
https://www.tennet.eu/electricity-market/data-dashboard/generation/

This is The Nordic region
https://www.statnett.no/en/for-stakeholders-in-the-power-industry/data-from-the-power-system/#nordic-power-flow

Spain (click on pie chart for details)
https://demanda.ree.es/visiona/peninsula/demanda/total

Belgium
https://www.elia.be/en/grid-data

Ireland
https://smartgriddashboard.eirgrid.com/

Northern Ireland
http://www.soni.ltd.uk/how-the-grid-works/system-information/

saveenergy
Reply to  Redge
February 7, 2021 7:52 am

reply part 2: part 1 is still ‘Awaiting for approval’
Here are two stand alone islands (no inter-connectors)
Both have lots of wind & solar availability

Hawaii
https://www.islandpulse.org/

King Island Tasmania
https://www.hydro.com.au/clean-energy/hybrid-energy-solutions/success-stories/king-island
[ a really well thought out system for a remote small agricultural community …. But don’t ask the price !! ]

Last edited 18 days ago by saveenergy
fred250
Reply to  saveenergy
February 7, 2021 10:44 am

part 1 is still ‘Awaiting for approval’”

3 links maximum or the auto-mod get’s ya. !!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  fred250
February 8, 2021 6:03 am

Thanks for that, fred. I wasn’t sure how many links would set off the moderation. I’ll keep it below that level in the future and that way the moderators won’t have to get involved, which I imagine they would appreciate.

Analitik
Reply to  saveenergy
February 7, 2021 6:37 pm

But don’t ask the price

You can ask all you like but Hydro Tasmania will not provide the costings for any of their deployments (King Island, Coober Pedy, Flinders Island).

And they still need the full capacity of the diesel generators that were already installed when KIREIP began – none of it has been replaced so the whole exercise is best viewed as a fuel reduction scheme.

Redge
Reply to  Redge
February 7, 2021 8:34 am

Thanks guys, I was hoping for something as easy as gridwatch so the next time Griff claims wind power is so amazing and cheap they’re exporting to France cheaper than nuclear, I can say “er…no.”

I wonder why it’s so difficult to get data in Germany and so easy elsewhere

Perry
February 7, 2021 3:52 am

There will be deluded people who will advise Mr Gosselin that all he needs to survive an electricity blackout are candles & ceramic flower pots. Here is a video that puts paid to that idea.
3415 BTUs = 1 kW.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Perry
February 7, 2021 4:44 am

the usual flowerpot heaters use more than one and the heat flow is directed up and around a series of them as well as steel rod nuts n washers that would also emanate heat. as a uncovered candles heat rises directly a covered one at floor level would enable some warmth closer to the person at least even if it wasnt a huge warmth its better then having nothing id guess

Tom
Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 7, 2021 5:56 am

A reasonable first estimate of the thermal energy in a fuel is its weight. Most reasonably available fuels contain roughly the same amount of heat, for the same amount of weight (not including the container). A few ounces of candle does little in comparison with the many pounds of fuel that go into your furnace on a cold day. You likely burn as many calories from food just picking them up and carrying them home (if you walked) as you would get from the calories of heat from burning them.

Reply to  Tom
February 7, 2021 9:50 am

Even if this idiot idea worked… Except for some artisanal candles, all of that wax is made from fossil fuels.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Perry
February 7, 2021 5:57 am

Thus we see the problem with ‘science’ and how Climate Change has become such a mess.

So, the guy is doing science and he’s using primarily the 1st Law.
Exactly as Downwelling Radiation Forcing does

Entirely ignoring the science of Jozef Stefan.

If you light a candle, it will burn and produce some quite hot gas = energy = what you want/need to keep warm

But with the candle flame, 2 problems arise (haha)
1 The hot gas will race up to the ceiling of your home or room you’re in and it will stay there
2 The hot gas is comprises CO2 and heated nitrogen & oxygen.
All these gases have vanishingly low emissivities, they hardly radiate and by the time they’re attached to the underside of your ceiling, Totally Zero Use at keeping you, down near the floor, warm

Thus enter the flower pot.
It intercepts and slows the very hot gas and via conduction is itself heated.

This has 2 very major advantages.
1) The flower pot will have much higher emissivity than the hot gas does so it will radiate. You will feel the heat coming off it
2) It is closer to the floor, exactly where you are and expecting to be kept warm

And also, by cooling the hot gases, they will not be so bouyant and with a modicum of luck, hang around in a mini cloud of warm (not hot) air, near the floor & near you.

Doncha just love it when muppets pop up claiming they know all about ‘science’ and then proceed to perfectly demonstrate quite the contrary.
Yes Gavin, James, Al, Michael, Katherine, Joe et al, I’m looking at yoohoooooo 😀

Everyone, do try to remember that next time when a Climate Eco Warrior makes claims about Settled Science

Their settled science is as the settled sludge in the bottom of a septic tank – and even less wholesome & inviting

saveenergy
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 7, 2021 8:17 am

Exactly
the flower pot is the appliance of science, replacing useless convective heat energy at the ceiling with useful radiant heat energy where you want it.

The BTUs /Watts/ergs/joules added to the space is identical with or without the pot.

The only way to dramatically increase the temperature of a room with a candle …
is to use it to set the curtains on fire !

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Analitik
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 7, 2021 6:40 pm

How about a ceiling fan?

Bob boder
Reply to  Analitik
February 8, 2021 3:22 am

If you the electricity for the fan why do you need a candle heater?

Cyril Wentzel
Reply to  Perry
February 7, 2021 6:50 am

In addition to PETA’s remarks, the following.
1. The configuration is important. Convection patterns in a room are quite different than within the box.
2. Also, the radiation adds to warmth at person level.
3. The candle oxygen supply depends on ventilation. It could be improved by leaving the hole in the pot top open, thus creating a stable chimney type of flow, adding to the stability of the flow for the flame.
4. The flame intensity will have been different among the experiments. By measuring the candle weight, he could have estimated its contribution in the difference in temporal heating.
Anyway.
Good to have a candle in your car before going out.

Peter
Reply to  Cyril Wentzel
February 7, 2021 8:04 am

Candle power is somewhere between 20W and 100W, depends on size of candle. 100W heating room is not enough, increase temperature maybe 0.5 – 1C. But 100W heating human body makes big difference. Basic metabolism is around 200W, with full power you can add another maybe 200W as untrained. I heard that Peter Sagan, famous Slovak cyclist can make 700W.
So if 200W makes you comfortable at 24C, that is 13C lower than your body temperature, with additional 100W it will be 19,5C difference between ambient and body temperature, thus 17,5C. Of course you will never get full 100W from candle to your body.
Thermofor works best for this, under blanket you are getting close to 100% of energy from hot water. Plastic bottle works nice as thermofor.

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Perry
February 7, 2021 9:07 pm

If you increase the CO2 in the room, the candle generates a positive feedback loop that gives you runaway warming – now you too can survive the coming ice age!

Bob boder
Reply to  Jean Parisot
February 8, 2021 3:24 am

Be careful though if you don’t keep an eye on it the temperature feedback loop might just kill you.

February 7, 2021 3:55 am

It’ll still be the warmest February evuh, though.

Is that snow?
The computer says no.

February 7, 2021 4:00 am

It’s snowing this morning in Antwerp, temperatures forecast to fall to -13 C by Wednesday night. No above-freezing temperature forecast for more than a week.

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Tom in Florida
February 7, 2021 4:51 am

People of Germany, have no fear, Griff will be here!

Now click the heels of your snow shoes together and repeat :
“Warmer is better, warmer is better, warmer is better”

February 7, 2021 4:51 am

There are scientist with a sense for realism:

A prequel to the Dantean Anomaly: the precipitation seesaw and droughts of 1302 to 1307 in Europe
Abstract
The cold/wet anomaly of the 1310s (“Dantean Anomaly”) has attracted a lot of attention from scholars, as it is commonly interpreted as a signal of the transition between the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA) and the Little Ice Age (LIA). The huge variability that can be observed during this decade, like the high interannual variability observed in the 1340s, has been highlighted as a side effect of this rapid climatic transition. In this paper, we demonstrate that a multi-seasonal drought of almost 2 years occurred in the Mediterranean between 1302 and 1304, followed by a series of hot, dry summers north of the Alps from 1304 to 1306. We suggest that this outstanding dry anomaly, unique in the 13th and 14th centuries, together with cold anomalies of the 1310s and the 1340s, is part of the climatic shift from the MCA to the LIA. Our reconstruction of the predominant weather patterns of the first decade of the 14th century – based on both documentary and proxy data – identifies multiple European precipitation seesaw events between 1302 and 1307, with similarities to the seesaw conditions which prevailed over continental Europe in 2018. It can be debated to what extent the 1302–1307 period can be compared to what is currently discussed regarding the influence of the phenomenon of Arctic amplification on the increasing frequency of persistent stable weather patterns that have occurred since the late 1980s. Additionally, this paper deals with socioeconomic and cultural responses to drought risks in the Middle Ages as outlined in contemporary sources and provides evidence that there is a significant correlation between pronounced dry seasons and fires that devastated cities.”

Let’s see, what will happen the next years.

CanSco
February 7, 2021 4:57 am

For those like me who lived through the 1998 winter ice storm that cut off power in Quebec and eastern Ontario this article rings very true.

Peter
February 7, 2021 5:47 am

Don’t you have natural gas stove? It usually does not need electricity to run. Combined power of 3kW can heat up home quite efficiently.

Kpar
Reply to  Peter
February 7, 2021 7:24 am

Almost all newer gas stoves and ranges have electronic ignition. I suppose you can light the range burners (and put a pot of water on it), but you cannot light the oven without disassembling part of the oven (NOT RECOMMENDED).

For that matter, boiling a pot of water wouldn’t be recommended either, as the condensation away from the heat source would make things quite uncomfortable.

Robert MacLellan
Reply to  Kpar
February 7, 2021 8:34 am

Correct. The top burners can receive gas even in a power failure while the oven has a safety valve in the circut so no gas flow unless the glow plug is energized. There are off grid versions with a built in battery but I have no personal knowledge of them beyond their existance.

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Peter
Reply to  Kpar
February 7, 2021 8:38 am

Mine has electric ignition, but no other electricity. So you can start with matches. I used it this way when my central heating was out for two weeks due to control unit failure. Using no pots, just flame. Be carefull to not catch fire on furniture above stove. CO is probably not an issue, my wife is sometimes cooking for hours.. Just vent room regularly to replenish Oxygen.

Bob boder
Reply to  Kpar
February 8, 2021 3:25 am

Most can still be lit with a lighter

Sara
February 7, 2021 6:02 am

We’ve had a blackout or two in the middle of winter where I live. The nastier and most recent was November 25 to 27, 2018, when a sputtering power outage turned into a complete blackout. ComEd’s response to my message was “364,000 outages, 188,000 in your area”. My neighbors were out in their cars, trying to keep warm. I just dressed for cold weather, made some soup and tea, and waited it out. It would have been nice to have a fireplace to add a little heat. Bad weather – rain, turning to sleet, caused the blackout – but no one ever seems prepared for it. We just take it for granted that the power won’t go out.

I think we’re too dependent on the “modern” conveniences and take for granted that they’ll be there, period, which is completely not true. We had power outages every winter when I was in grade school, but we also had a fireplace in one room, which kept us warm. Camping out on the floor was fun. And the stove had a pilot light, which meant we could cook on the stovetop or in the fireplace. Losing the art of cooking at the fireplace is very bad. It’s worse when dependence on a poorly-engineered grid means people with suffer from loss of power. And yet, we seem to be heading back to the 18th century and prior with these constant failures of engineering.

I do sympathize with people on the receiving end of this. I don’t know what the outcome will be, but it’s as though this whole “grid” idea was designed for failure with consequences.

Kpar
Reply to  Sara
February 7, 2021 7:28 am

ComEd, huh? I also live in the Chicago area, but have been spared most of the power outages (Thank God!) that have occurred, and no major interruptions in the winter.

Here’s hoping my luck continues to hold- especially as the temp this AM is -6F, and the next ten days won’t be much warmer.

All I can say is, “Pray for Global Warming!”

Sara
Reply to  Sara
February 7, 2021 8:29 am

Ditto, Kpar, and ironically, about 25 minutes after I posted that comment, the power shut off in my area. I texted the ComEd and the truck arrived, and the power is back on 1.5 hours later, but this emphasizes exactly what the author of the article is talking about: we’re dependent on “other” for what we need.

Unfortunately, this is exactly the direction that those loons like Aoc and Bernie want to take.

I do not take anything for granted these days.

Tom Gee
February 7, 2021 6:11 am

Even if you did have gas for your grill, DO NOT BRING A OUTDOOR GRILL INSIDE TO HEAT YOUR HOUSE! They produce toxic amounts of carbon monoxide. (Sorry for shouting, but it’s important.)

In my country (Canada), too many people die in winter blackouts doing this very thing. (PSA ends)

Paul C
Reply to  Tom Gee
February 7, 2021 9:48 am

Agreed. The most dangerous type being those disposable barbecues. Chimneys are crucial safety devices with stoves (or open fires), and even then, a CO alarm should be installed. Unfortunately, desperate people who are losing reason through hypothermia make bad decisions. Cold kills far more than heat does.

Rhys Read
February 7, 2021 6:13 am

Record cold and snow across North America. Record cold and snow across Europe. That global warming is sure kicking in.
I’m sure in a month we’ll see a headline about the hottest February ever.

Robert W Turner
Reply to  Rhys Read
February 7, 2021 8:28 am

For the entire 10 day forecast we are going to be 25-35 degrees F below normal. The Atlas and southern end of the Zargos (below 30 degrees north) are going to be below freezing, all of mainland Japan to the southern tip, and even the high elevations of Taiwan are all forecast to be below freezing. I think when the cult claims that we have 12 years to save Earth (8 now), what they really mean is they have that many years to finish their free market killing agenda before even the deepest brainwashed sheople start to realize it’s a scam.

Analitik
Reply to  Rhys Read
February 7, 2021 8:10 pm

Hey but the that polar vortex split which is pushing down the Arctic air was caused by the Global Warming
/s

AntonyIndia
Reply to  Rhys Read
February 8, 2021 4:59 am

The Chinese were also freezing their *sses off; luckily they have zillions of coal, gas & nuclear power plants to provide electricity and heat.

India is less effected by either climate change or corona. Also we are used to short power cuts and always prepared for calamities – not sussed to sleep in a fake consumer “wonder” world.
Most of all spirit over matter is balancing out slowly in a healthier future, as India was on the other extreme end of that scale once.

Kpar
Reply to  mwhite
February 7, 2021 7:30 am

Combine that with government control of healthcare, and we’ll be looking at “1984” as a better alternative…

Komerade cube
Reply to  mwhite
February 7, 2021 7:52 am

Oligarchs and dictators are boiling us like frogs. How unpleasant does it need to be before people start to reject overweening bureaucracy and self appointed royalty?

Sara
Reply to  mwhite
February 7, 2021 8:32 am

I love this: These include giving networks the right to decide when they consider the grid to be in a state of ’emergency’ and the power to switch off high usage electrical devices such as electric vehicle chargers and central heating systems in British homes. 

What have we ALL been talking about??????

donald penman
Reply to  mwhite
February 7, 2021 6:48 pm

If it gets really cold I think I would just go to bed .

Coach Springer
February 7, 2021 6:31 am

Summer outages are bad enough. But a winter outage will really focus your attention on emergency back-up and redundancy.

PS – Get a small gasoline generator, 5 gal. can, and learn how to hotwire your gas furnace or boiler. If you have electric heat, you must be wealthy enough to afford a whole house generator running on natural gas?

Komerade cube
Reply to  Coach Springer
February 7, 2021 7:53 am

Please remember to disconnect your panel from the mains if you are wiring in a generator.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Komerade cube
February 7, 2021 8:19 am

Get an electrician to put in a panel that does all that switching for you. But if you MUST backfeed the electricity from a generator into your home, TURN OFF THE MAIN FIRST. It’s the big switch at the top of the breaker box.

Otherwise, you could fry the line worker trying to fix your problem.

Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 7, 2021 6:40 am

I have family whose power goes out due to ice storms, municipal sewer backing up due to crazy rain, no heat, unable to flush the toilet, and they still haven’t prepared for the next time this will happen. I guess this individual in the article likes the excitement and hardship like my family. Being prepared is just too boring.

James Schrumpf
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 7, 2021 8:29 am

I live out in the country, and our power used to go out like we were on the far end of a long extension cord that kept getting kicked out of the outlet.

Then a Costco warehouse depot was built about a mile and a half away.

New power poles down our road, power lines twice the diameter. Never goes out now unless a transformer blows, or some drunk takes out a pole. Still gets routed right back up, though.

Funny thing, though — we all get a regular newsletter in the mail from the power company, and they attempt to power-shame me by comparing my usage to my neighbors’ best, and average, use.

I can’t figure that out. Isn’t it their business to sell me electricity? This is like getting a letter from Giant or Safeway complaining I buy too many groceries.

fred250
Reply to  James Schrumpf
February 7, 2021 10:51 am

“they attempt to power-shame me by comparing my usage to my neighbors’ best,”

.

Look on it as a challenge to use more electricity than your neighbors with 3 kids 😉

Analitik
Reply to  fred250
February 7, 2021 8:12 pm

We get that with water bills as well down here in Australia

Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 7, 2021 6:45 am

Anybody know if kerosene heaters are legal in Germany or the UK, the kind that is portable.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Jeffrey H Kreiley
February 7, 2021 8:03 am

What we will see is a lot of carbon monoxide deaths from people forced to do what is necessary to keep warm

Jeffrey H Kreiley
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 11:31 am

I have two CO detectors just to play it safe. I use my cylindrical style kerosene heater all winter and they’ve never gone off but it does need to be maintained and many wouldn’t bother.

mkelly
February 7, 2021 6:47 am
February 7, 2021 6:51 am

We will have nice days in front of us in Germany

For model change there are blue buttons to click on.

mkelly
February 7, 2021 6:53 am

Quebec 1998 had freezing rain that collapsed many of the metal transmission towers. Windmills will require electricity to device the blades or they will break. The blades have a maximum wind speed envelop to operate in so many will be shut down but need electricity for various maintenance functions.

SAMURAI
February 7, 2021 7:00 am

If Leftist enviro-wackos get their way, the next major energy source won’t be wind, solar, Light Water Reactors, Fusion Reactors or LFTRs….. it’ll be furniture..

Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 7:52 am

Anyone with a natural gas line should get a 99% efficient ventless gas fireplace – either one that goes into an existing fireplace or a stand alone. My winter gas bills have decreased by about 20% since getting mine and getting a fire going in the fireplace is as easy as turning a knob.

Fran
Reply to  Robert W Turner
February 7, 2021 9:21 am

Not legal here. For our backup in BC, the little gas stove has to be vented outside. Can/t figure out why because the gas stove produces much more flame if you run a burner and the oven.

Pat from kerbob
February 7, 2021 8:01 am

I feel for them. Here in the canadian prairies we are experiencing a typical Siberian high pressure system, -30 and below and of course no wind.
Our Alberta wind power assets now delivering 0.75% of rated installed power, 15mw from 1781mw installed

Good thing Trudeau is giving money for more turbines
Only need 200,000 more

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

Dmacleo
February 7, 2021 8:09 am

6″ snow due tonight another 8+ due tuesday night.
200 +/- gallons #2 oil in tanks. generator full as well as 12 gallons in cans for it. well out front.
100 gallon propane tank for oven 85%.
thats normal for me.
although this year will be investing in whole home generator.
second nature, never even think about it. semi rural area here.

Alex
February 7, 2021 8:56 am

Scaremongering.
Rahmstorf writes in Spiegel today, this coldwave is a clear sign of Climate Disruption cuased bY the Global Warming.

Reply to  Alex
February 7, 2021 10:27 am

He is an activist, not a scientist. He shame science.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 8, 2021 12:29 pm

As are all the rest of the so-called “climate scientists” who push the AGW propaganda.

Reply to  Alex
February 7, 2021 10:59 am

PS
We can be happy to have some CC, imagine the temps without 😀

BTW, if there is something near a “doomsday scenario” as a degree over 30°C or the cold snap now, you can be sure, Rahmstorf is the first to cry “fire” ….

Gordon A. Dressler
February 7, 2021 9:06 am

The screen-shot of the German video weather forecast shows heavy snowfall extending into Great Britain.

This is obviously a mistake.

Humanity was assured in year 2000 by Dr. David Viner, a senior scientist at the climate research unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia, that: “Within a few years winter snowfall will become a very rare and exciting event” and “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” (Ref: https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-the-independent.pdf )

RelPerm
February 7, 2021 9:11 am

German engineering ingenuity is prevailing and electricity grid has not failed during last several days of wintry weather.

German political class is saved from embarrassment once again.

Peter
Reply to  RelPerm
February 7, 2021 11:12 am

9th January, no wind, no solar, Germany is heavily importing from Romania, where failure happens. In second Europe is split to two separated electrical islands. There was 15 seconds where frequency in west part drops. Only quick reaction of Czech and Slovak nuclear, hydro saved situation. Europe was on brink of massive blackout thanks to German ingenuity to build unstable network.

griff
February 7, 2021 9:14 am

Another problem with this weekend’s coming storm – in addition to high winds and ice – is the fact that Germany’s power grid is more unstable than ever – thanks to the wildly fluctuating supply from wind and solar energy. Also a number of baseload-providing nuclear and coal power plants have been taken out of service, thus further destabilizing the country’s and continent’s power grid.’

Nonsense again. At this point Germany has a power surplus – just look at the electricity export figures. The grid is one of the world’s most stable. Germany had worse weather in 2018.

Reply to  griff
February 7, 2021 1:24 pm

This week gives us a chance to put that to the test – in Germany, UK, Belgium and the Netherlands. Let’s see how rock-steady too-cheap-to-meter renewable energy is looking in a weeks time in those countries. A risky prediction – how exhilarating! Gotta love Karl Popper.

Reply to  griff
February 7, 2021 2:04 pm

Had we ?
It may be stable, but icy rain and masses of snow may break them down physically, you understand the difference ? I doubt it.
You forgot, the Jan. 8 near breakdown was result of a cold coming earlier as foreseen in France. (what about wind predictions dead on time ? )

fred250
Reply to  griff
February 7, 2021 6:47 pm

” The grid is one of the world’s most stable

.

ROFLMAO.

That’s why it chopped itself in half a few weeks ago…

Really griff, whatever you tell yourself.

You KNOW your comments are a load of bollocks.

fred250
Reply to  griff
February 7, 2021 6:52 pm

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/germanys-stressed-grid-is-causing-trouble-across-europe

https://www.dw.com/en/winds-of-change-push-german-power-grid-to-brink/a-52701005

And the amount of money that NEEDS to be spent to maintain even a slight semblance of stability is ridiculous, and causes Germany’s electricity price to be by far the most expensive in the world

https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
February 8, 2021 3:59 am

Germany has a power surplus when renewables are producing more power than needed, whereupon the country actually pays for its neighbours to take it.

Peter Morris
February 7, 2021 9:46 am

In the Great Blizzard of 1993, the town where I lived at the time (in the South) was buried under about 18” of snow. Completely unprepared, even I-75 to Chattanooga was shut down. It took about three days just to get the roads clear. Most power was restored within that timeframe, except our street, which due to a quirk of zoning and rigid and uncaring union rules, was without power for six days. Thankfully we had a gas fireplace lit by matches. But we had to huddle in the living room all night each of those six days – the bedrooms were far too cold. So my sympathies to the German people. I hope you find a way to stay warm.

Walter Sobchak
February 7, 2021 9:58 am

If you can get to central America, you can walk into the United States and claim to be a refugee. They will give you a court date, which you can ignore, and let you go. it will be years before the catch up to you.

goldminor
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 7, 2021 7:08 pm

Plus they give all illegals free vaccines at the border.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  goldminor
February 8, 2021 8:32 am

Yes, and they promise the illegal aliens free medical care, and free housing, and free education, and a monthly welfare check. What’s not to like?

Of course, Biden is, in effect, buying future votes for Democrats, and aiming to turn Red States to Blue States.

The more illegals he can import, the more votes the Democrats get. If I were an illegal alien in the U.S., I would vote for the people who invited me in, and paid me so handsomely when I got here, and that would be the Democrats.

If I were a poor person in any part of the world who was looking for a change, I would be heading for the southern U.S. border.

Traitor Joe is showing he cares more about illegal aliens than he does about the American people. Actually, he cares more about retaining political power than he cares about the American people. The illegal aliens are just a means to that end.

February 7, 2021 10:20 am

Our news are very special 😀
We have from north to south a difference of temperature about 20°C
What do these idiots claim ?
Freezing temps and lot of snow in the northern part of Germany and up to 20°C in the southern part.
Somewhere I saw connections to special friend Rahmstorf 😀

Robertvd
Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 1:39 pm

That air came directly from Africa.That’s why we had orange snow in the pyrenees.
https://youtu.be/xKPnPIuzTlM

Reply to  Robertvd
February 7, 2021 1:55 pm

Yes, here at some places in southern Germany too, but there where never 20°C despite the fact the air came from Sahara.
There was an idiot seeing somewhat with 20°C and, aha AGW – temperature… Facepalm….

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Reply to  Krishna Gans
February 7, 2021 2:38 pm

PS
Yes, there was a connection to Rahmstorf, our actual weather is result of what ???
drumroll, fanfares….

Climate change !
No, really ?
Yes, what else ?
The sudden stratospheric warming is humans fault, DOOM
Somewhere in the news he published his BS these days.

Maureen from Regina
February 7, 2021 10:27 am

-15C – that’s wicked (LOL)

I live in Regina, Saskatchewan Canada and the overnight temp was -38C and at noon it is only -33C.

In November the voters of Regina elected a city council with a majority of those on the progressive left – their first act was to try and pass a vanity resolution preventing any company involved in fossil fuels from sponsoring city events or advertising on city properties. Thankfully, our provinces Premier spelled out the facts – if SaskPower and SaskEnergy (our crown corporations responsible for electricity and natural gas – 95% fossil fuels) were prevented from such sponsorships it would withdraw the voluntary surcharge provided to the city coffers in lieu of property taxes and might move the corporations out of Regina (10,000 jobs gone from the city). The council retreated, but it will be back with some other silly vanity resolution

The council should be down on their knees thanking SaskPower for electricity which allows people to plug their cars’ block heaters in so that they can start their car to get to work and electricity to power our forced air natural gas furnaces and thanking Sask Energy for a reliable supply of natural gas for our furnaces. I remember growing up in the 1950s in Edmonton (further northwest of Regina by about 1,000km) and my father having to get up in the middle of a cold January night to shovel coal into the furnace to keep us warm.

Politicians = idiots

Maureen from Regina
Reply to  Maureen from Regina
February 7, 2021 10:28 am

Temps were actually lower since there was a wind chill – -45C by one account!

Maureen from Regina
Reply to  Maureen from Regina
February 7, 2021 10:30 am

My monthly electricity bill in the winter is about $90 CDN and about $145 CDN

ldd
Reply to  Maureen from Regina
February 7, 2021 6:07 pm

A few years back here in Ontario our electricity was so high we installed a new wood stove ( an old one came with the house when we bought it) – when one month’s winter heating bill was $780.00 The woodstove has more than paid for itself. We’re in the area of eastern On that was affected by the ’98 ice storm so yeah we have back up on everything now.

Reply to  Maureen from Regina
February 8, 2021 5:12 am

During the coming week we will maybe have down to -38°C

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 11:48 am

What energy source will they use to de-ice the EV charging ports? or is that hidden in the VW software?

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 11:50 am

It’s called Putinwende.

ResourceGuy
February 7, 2021 1:31 pm
February 7, 2021 1:35 pm

Belgium’s grid supply for today.
They’ve just announced that nuclear will be shut down in 2022.

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saveenergy
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
February 7, 2021 4:13 pm

Switching off 60% of your electric ! That’ll be interesting, how you going to charge all the electric cars & what about the UK we rely on that 1GW interconnection to keep our lights on

Graemethecat
Reply to  saveenergy
February 8, 2021 3:36 am

You wouldn’t believe how dumb most Belgian politicians are, especially PS and Ecolo/Groen.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  saveenergy
February 8, 2021 8:46 am

“& what about the UK we rely on that 1GW interconnection to keep our lights on”

And what about when all the nations surrounding Germany go 100 percent unreliables? Where will Germany get its electricty then?

Germany survives because surrounding nations supply fossil-fuel-based or nuclear-based electricty when Germany runs short. If all nations are using unreliable windmills and solar, in a situation like the one brewing, none of them would have anywhere to go for electricity once the windmills and solar panels stopped working.

Powering the whole world with windmills and solar panels is a pipedream. It’s completely impractical. Wake up, alarmists!

The Green’s only viable option for reducing CO2 is to promote a transition to nuclear-based electricity. Anything else is a deadend.

Philip
February 7, 2021 2:17 pm

It will be blamed on global warming/climate change. Weather not seen for at least 1,000 years, all because you drove that evil car to work, and had the audacity to turn your thermostat above 10C.

Greg
February 7, 2021 2:23 pm

For my wife and I here in northwest Germany, we would be toast.

… or rather , not at all like toast. More like freezing.

Greg
February 7, 2021 2:28 pm

14 major inter-connectors got shut off earlier this month due to grid frequency getting out of control in Croatia. This lead to France and Italy having to disconnect all major industrial users.

A massive surge in demand due to exceptionally cold weather could be the last straw and EU will be hit by Adelaide syndrome.

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DipChip
February 7, 2021 2:48 pm

It’s the Economy Stupid. No it’s climate change. Send me in again coach my head has cleared.

February 7, 2021 3:41 pm

We’ve just had our first 30 minute electricity blackout of this winter.
With the beast from the east setting in I expect more to happen.

Flight Level
February 7, 2021 4:34 pm

Home: Stock of firewood, a 5kVA generator and power commutation circuit + 5 jerrycans of gasoline. Not sure how much this is legal though.
Job: One more nastier than the previous winter ops to survive, don’t try this home kids, we are trained professionals.
Overall: Green Germany is fun for those with a thing for zombie apocalypses.

Robert of Texas
February 7, 2021 5:57 pm

Well, I for one will pray for you.

If a disaster does happen (and I pray it does not), perhaps the government might actually learn a useful lesson and reverse it’s headlong rush into an energy apocalypse.

Politicians tend to only learn a lesson after their voters start throwing them out.

goldminor
February 7, 2021 7:00 pm

The Boy Scout motto comes to mind “Be prepared”. I filled all of my propane tanks several weeks ago because of threatening snow storms. As I do not want to have to run to town when the roads are snowed in. I am now good to stay at home into April. I have been watching that 500hPa cold spot grow all through the winter. It is amazingly long lived this winter.

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Don
February 7, 2021 7:36 pm

If you believe the solar minimum people then from now on it is just going to get colder and colder during winter and that does appear to be happening.Antarctica has above average ice cover and sea ice last winter , so does Greenland , the Arctic is a smidgen below average but rising and at -30oC , 90% of Glaciers are advancing around the world , the whole of Russia is frozen solid ,really cold ! , -22oC in central Chicago today , vast areas of the US very very cold , all of the UK, Ireland , France , Germany below freezing , where is the Global Warming ?, certainly not in the Southern Hemis. Coolest winter we have had for years , Australia very cool in the south , 13oC along southern coastline . In NZ warm days yes but very cool nights .

ATheoK
February 7, 2021 8:58 pm

Our natural gas furnace is controlled electrically, so it would cease to function too.”

The controls are likely analog in function and powered by direct current.

Look up the power requirements and wiring and install a backup battery.

michel
February 8, 2021 1:33 am

Surely everyone knows what will happen if there is a power disaster?

It will be immediately attributed to Global Warming. The deep freeze will be described as extreme weather, and extreme weather will be said to be due to Global Warming.

The solution will then be clear, Germany will have to reduce emissions further, so the argument will be that the last thing to be done is move to non-renewable power generation.

On the contrary, the argument will be that we must turn off all the non-renewable power and quickly start using the renewable power we have to do carbon capture, which we will bury somewhere in the Harz mountains, thus making Germany carbon negative.

The disaster will have shown the urgency of the climate crisis and the urgency of reducing our emissions below zero. It will have shown we only have months not years to act.

Anyone mentioning China, or voicing any skepticism that the proposed reductions will have any effect on the climate, will be prosecuted under laws which prohibit hate crime and deliberate misinformation. They will first be educated, and if that fails and they persist, will be imprisoned. Meanwhile, no-one will cover their speeches, their Internet and phone connexions will be cancelled, no media will publish anything they write, if they try to rent meeting rooms there will be none available.

Anyone calling this censorship will have it explained to them by the authorities that this has nothing to do with censorship. This is just private companies doing what they think is best for their owners. And to suggest its anything like censorship, well, that is getting uncomfortably close to hate speech and misinformation, don’t you know.

Dana Andrusik
February 8, 2021 5:05 am

I have been saying for years that all lines should be underground. No more maintenance costs and no fear of interruptions barring a major earthquake.

Tom Abbott
February 8, 2021 5:05 am

“Such a blackout would not be unprecedented. In 2006, a major European blackout was caused by a disconnection of a powerline crossing in northwest Germany. The power outage quickly cascaded across Europe, extending from Poland in the north-east, to the Benelux countries and France in the west, through to Portugal, Spain and Morocco in the south-west, and across to Greece and the Balkans in the south-east.”

So, I guess it would not take too much effort for a foreign enemy, say Russia/China, to take down the entire European electricity grid in one fell swoop. Take out one powerline and you are done. Heck, I guess a terrorist group is capable of doing something like that, too.

That’s not a good situation to be in. European politicians leave a lot to be desired. I suppose I should expand that to include all the Western Democratic nations. Good, clear-seeing politicians are few and far between.

Tom Abbott
February 8, 2021 5:10 am

From the article: “The forecast weather conditions mean almost zero solar energy, and the expected high winds may necessitate the shutdown of wind turbines or cause wild feed-in fluctuations.”

And the alarmist’s goal is to power our entire economy with windmills and solar panels. Does everyone see the problem with doing this? Perhaps everyone will see this windmill/solar panel stupidity for what it is next week.

Drigh
February 8, 2021 7:27 am

Minus 15* C!!!! We in Canada think that is a balmy winter day.

guidoLaMoto
Reply to  Drigh
February 8, 2021 9:48 am

There’s no such thing as bad weather– only the wrong clothes.

Otto Støver
February 8, 2021 2:31 pm
Nicholas McGinley
February 8, 2021 2:42 pm

Here in Florida USA nothing is closed, there are no restrictions on anyone or anything, and cases are about the same as anywhere else.
Maybe not as bad as some places.
Almost everyone wears a mask anyway.
Most stores have a sign saying customers need to wear one.
Last month I was able to buy a 20 pack of 3M N-95 masks at a HVAC supply store for $17.
No one seems to talk or worry about it much.

We have had no restrictions since last Summer.

But people are dying.
My oldest brother was just intubated today. He lives in the Philly area.
I am expecting the worst.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
February 8, 2021 2:46 pm

BTW…I am still paying about 8 or 9 cents per kilowatt-hour of power, we have zero wind potential here, and about the only chance of an outage for more than a short while is from a direct hit by a major hurricane. And they are working on that.
With no travel restrictions and Joe Biden amnesty…I would suggest looking into a permanent Florida Vacation for anyone really worried or pissed off.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
February 9, 2021 4:39 am

Sorry to hear about your brother, Nicholas.

Don’t give up hope. I saw a while ago where a 90-year-old woman had spent something like 90 days in the hospital with the Wuhan virus, and she eventually survived it.

Hopefully, your brother won’t have as difficult a time of it.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 10, 2021 11:32 am

Thank you Tom.
Of course there is always hope, but I think everyone knows being intubated means things are not going well for a patient.
At least now he is sedated in a medically induced coma (or so I understand is the case when someone in intubated), so at least he is not suffering through it anymore.
I would hate to see my 14 year old niece lose her father.
I think teenagers rarely take the death of a parent well.

Some advice to anyone to whom it applies: If you smoke, quit. If you do not get any sort of routine or even occasional medical care or periodic checkups, start. And if something is wrong, do not ignore it for a year.

Living in an era of miraculously advanced medical science is worse than useless if one does not avail oneself of it.

Otto Støver
February 8, 2021 2:45 pm

Im sorry for you germans, but a total collapse of the electricity i Europe is just what is needed now. It is the only thing that can bring sanity an intelligence back in the debate. A lot of politicians have had “green” energi as their top priority, and they have been ignoring the ugly facts. Wind and solar energy is NOT sufficient for a society. It is a disaster!

But without a total collapse some day they would just go on pretending its ok. The only thing that could wake up the public is a total collapse. Sorry for those that will get hurt, but better soon than later.

Andre Thomas Lewis
February 8, 2021 4:55 pm

Governments in western countries are driving the AGW narrative and disrupting their energy systems for reasons few of us can fathom. However as this article shows if the cold climate really arrives the most fanatical CC politicians will realise that their constituents will not stand for being frozen to death to ‘save the planet’. Coal and gas plus nuclear will be quickly put back into service and hopefully the next global scaremongering scam will be some new crazy idea. Maybe critical race theory meaning white people have to go?

Sheri
February 8, 2021 5:18 pm

I am curious about people and how they prepare for these events. We are expecting -27C low on Thursday, with a daytime high of around -17C. It’s the coldest week of winter so far. Because we live a long way out in the country, we have a wood stove, 55 gallons of water in a barrel plus bottled water for drinking, and a fully stocked pantry. Ads run all the time telling people to be prepared to be “on your own” for two weeks minimum (meaning no electricity, no water, no services). I don’t know how many people actually follow that advise, but it’s something we hear all the time here in Wyoming.

Yes, Covid made stocking up more difficult, but I would just buy what I needed and have it sent to my house throughout the last few months. I suppose because I have the space, this is easier for us than others. This is just part of my life and has been for decades. People seem very dependent on utilities and stores. It’s not a criticism, just an observation of the difference in living on one’s own versus city living and differences in living in various countries.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sheri
February 9, 2021 4:45 am

I think that is probably why big cities tend to vote Democrat.

I think big city folks realize they are totally dependent on the government providing for them, and so they feel more beholden to government than rural people for their survival, and they look favorably on government as a result, rather than looking at government as an impediment to freedom, the way rural people do.

Johannes Herbst
February 10, 2021 7:48 pm

We had alredy two collapses of heating power plants, one in east Germanay and one in Nuremberg, Bavaria. Emergency is called out, and poeple are allowed to seek warm housing by friends and neighbour despite corona lockdown.

February 13, 2021 6:20 am

Wrong, it’s “wanted” Green Energy”.

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