UN WHO Asks Rich Nations to Pause Covid Vaccination, so Others can Catch Up

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

WHO Spokesperson Margaret Harris wants rich nations including the USA to allow some of their people die, so more vaccines can be diverted to poor nations to allow them to “catch up”. But following Harris’ advice could significantly increase deaths amongst young people.

WHO urges Britain to pause Covid jabs after treating vulnerable

Nadeem Badshah
Sat 30 Jan 2021 22.57 AEDT

Move would help poorer countries receive vaccine, says World Health Organization

A WHO spokeswoman, Margaret Harris, said she wanted to appeal to people in the UK, telling them: “You can wait” because ensuring equitable global distribution is “clearly morally the right thing to do”.

When asked to clarify whether the UK should help efforts elsewhere once it had vaccinated its top nine priority groups, Harris told BBC Breakfast: “We’re asking all countries in those circumstances to do that. Hang on, wait for those other groups.

“We’ll also appeal to all the people of the UK – you can wait.

“We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those [high-risk and healthcare worker] groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others.Advertisement

“While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.

“There have been a number of very interesting analyses showing that just vaccinating your own country and then sitting there and saying ‘we’re fine’ will not work economically.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I haven’t been able to find a video / audio of this interview. Note people outside the UK cannot watch BBC iPlayer links.

The problem with halting vaccination the way the WHO describes is vaccinated people might not get sick, but there is a possibility they can still spread the virus to other unvaccinated people – the vaccine might not completely prevent infection.

Does the AstraZeneca Vaccine Also Stop Covid Transmission?

11.25.2020 03:41 PM

The problem is, a Covid-19 vaccine that only prevents illness—which is to say, symptoms—might not prevent infection with the virus or transmission of it to other people. Worst case, a vaccinated person could still be an asymptomatic carrier. That could be bad. More younger people tend to get the virus, but more older people tend to die from it; socioeconomic status and ethnicity also have an impact on death rates. Some people have relatively light symptoms; other people have symptoms that hang on for months. And perhaps most importantly, a vaccine is the only way to reach herd immunity without a bloodbath. As politicized as the notion has become, herd immunity is essentially the sum of direct protection—what you might get if you’re vaccinated—and indirect protection, safety afforded by the fact that people around you aren’t transmitting the disease to you because they either already had the disease themselves or because they got vaccinated against it. If vaccinated people can still be asymptomatic spreaders, that means less indirect protection for the herd.

That’s almost certainly not going to be the situation. The vaccines will probably all have some effect on transmission. But right now no one knows how much, or which one is better, or for whom—because so far only AstraZeneca has even a hint of data studying the problem.

(How good is that data? Well, about that: Ann Falsey, a physician at the University of Rochester School of Medicine who’s leading the US portion of the AstraZeneca vaccine trial, told me via email that “the Oxford study press release hinted at some transmission data, but I am not privileged to that data so I really can’t offer much to say.” A few hours after this story first published, Falsey emailed to add that her study and the Oxford one “are funded and run separately.“ Spokespeople for AstraZeneca didn’t return my requests for more information. Neither did anyone at Moderna. Jerica Pitts, a spokesperson at Pfizer, did, but with nothing yet to report. “In the coming months we will test participants’ blood samples for antibodies that recognize a part of the virus that is not in the vaccine. If fewer participants in the vaccine group than in the placebo group develop such antibodies, we will have evidence that the vaccine can prevent infection as well as disease,” Pitts wrote me in an email. “We do not yet have those data.”)

Read more: https://www.wired.com/story/does-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-also-stop-covid-transmission/

There is a good chance the vaccine prevents asymptomatic infection as well as stopping people getting sick. But nobody knows for sure.

Young healthy people are far less vulnerable to Covid-19 than older people, but if the vaccine does not prevent asymptomatic infection, or worse increases the risk of the vaccinated becoming asymptomatic carriers, halting vaccine distribution to satisfy the WHO’s demand could lead to a significant increase in deaths amongst people who have not been vaccinated.

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January 31, 2021 2:02 pm

Not to worry, Trudeau is taking care of that quite well.

Reply to  Pauleta
January 31, 2021 4:32 pm

Indeed. Here in Canada, the vaccine will not be available to the general public until “phase 3” in August 2021. Assuming no other delays, of course.

Reply to  PaulH
February 1, 2021 4:50 am

Why is that taking so long? I can get mine by appointment with my doctor. What in the blue-eyed world is going on up there?

Reply to  Sara
February 1, 2021 10:35 am

Government ineptitude is my guess.

A tweet from Steve McIntyre:


Ontario hasn’t received ANY vaccines from Trudeau government in 10 days. Province has had to lay off vaccine crews. What a sh*tshow by Trudeau government. Canadian media doesn’t care.

Walter Schneider
Reply to  Pauleta
February 1, 2021 8:43 am

Here is what prime minister Trudeau had said during his address from outside his home in Ottawa, on the ongoing COVID-19 (coronavirus disease) pandemic, w.r.t. the progress of vaccinations in Canada. (apparently Dec 18, 2020).

“….Canada has the most, most vaccines secured per capita, and the most diverse portfolio of vaccine options in the world….Indeed, we have secured, as you pointed out [the reporter had *not* pointed that out at all –Walter], one of the best ranges of vac vac vaccine vaccine portfolios of any country in the world, and we have secured more potential doses of of vaccines per Canadian than anywhere else….with a gold-standard for Canadians that is the envy of the world….” Yeah, right.

More: https://youtu.be/pgql11NVaiE

The reality of that is that Canada now ranks in 24th place of countries for which Our World in Data tracks vaccination data. See appended bar chart.

Source of appended bar chart (interactive at the source): COVID-19 vaccine doses administered per 100 people, Jan 31, 2021 (ourworldindata.org)

January 31, 2021 2:17 pm

sitting there and saying ‘we’re fine’ 
No one is suggesting the UK would do that

Richard Page
Reply to  andy
January 31, 2021 3:07 pm

The UK certainly isn’t doing that. The UK has contributed M£500 to the COVAX AMC international cooperation to fund vaccines for poorer countries, part of a billion dollar contribution by the UK, Germany and Canada. The EU has also given M€500 to the fund. This will provide vaccines from the varous companies after they are cleared for use in those countries.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 9:01 am

Italy and Sweden as well. Should’ve remembered UK, Germany, Canada, Italy and Sweden.

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Reply to  andy
January 31, 2021 8:23 pm
Richard Page
Reply to  3x2
February 1, 2021 3:33 am

I don’t think even the EU was suggesting that, they just wanted to jump the queue – if the situation had been reversed then the language used would have been less panicky and hostile.

January 31, 2021 2:19 pm

But would they catch up? Small pox was eliminated in the United states long before it was eliminated in the 3rd world countries. The vaccine was available but the 3rd world countries were slow to take advantage of it. We are seeing the same thing today with polio. In advanced nations, polio has been pretty well eliminated but not in the 3rd world countries. War prevents the medical teams from accessing part of some countries while religious leaders have told their followers that the polio vaccine will make you sterile. It could be years before the 3rd world catches up to us and meanwhile the virus will have reduced our ability to provide the very same countries with assistance.
One would expect something like that from WHO because they where part of the China coverup over COVID in the first place. Had they done their job, we might have been a few months farther along in dealing with the problem. and our overall death rate would be much lower.

Reply to  Dena
January 31, 2021 2:50 pm

Very good points. And there are other similar examples, like Guinea Worm eradication (the local elders would not allow treating the local water supply to eradicate it because the water was ‘sacred’).

Reply to  Dena
February 1, 2021 3:48 am

clean water and proper sewage fixes Polio.

Reply to  ozspeaksup
February 1, 2021 7:06 am

Why was polio common in the US before the vaccine?

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Dena
February 1, 2021 4:42 am

Masks were about catching-up, flattening the curve.

Now FOUR masks are bandied about and an ass-mask and a face-shield.

The conspiracy of ignorance MASQUErades as common sense. Faux FauXi

Reply to  Dena
February 1, 2021 3:40 pm

Polio was eliminated by… sanitation. No vaccine can do that. You are brainwashed.

Reply to  niceguy
February 1, 2021 9:26 pm

I am old enough to have received both vaccines when they were new. Polio can spread both by contact or by air so while sanitation is important, it’s not the full solution. The problem with the oral vaccine is that it’s live and can cause polio in somebody who didn’t receive the vaccine with a weak immune system. While polio existed, the oral vaccine was a better trade off because you could treat massive numbers of people quickly and cheaply. In the US, some people don’t get vaccines so the oral vaccine now runs the risk of reintroducing polio. That’s why we are back to the older injectable vaccine instead of the better oral one

Polio isn’t something you want to fool around with. I still have memories of the pictures of people in iron lungs, unable to breath without one. It wasn’t that long ago that the last one was taken out of service. Hopefully they are only a memory out of the past and we will never need them again.

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Dena
February 2, 2021 5:00 am

Learn about Post-Polio Syndrome – rising incidence.

January 31, 2021 2:19 pm

She should talk to the EU leader Ursula von der Leyen who it is reported has instructed vaccine makers to get special permits to export its vaccines … in other words, EU is hording vaccines for itself.

January 31, 2021 2:34 pm

This is one of the reasons Trump exited WHO. The others were incompetence and waste.

Another direct call for America Last, when the good Moderna, Pfizer, and JJ vaccines were developed with US tax dollar support (Operation Warp Speed), is just another UN slap to the US face. And I am pretty sure the effective UK Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine was developed with UK financial support in the form of guaranteed purchases if approved.

WHO can do what Brazil has done. Buy the Soviet Sputnik 5 and Sinopharm vaccines. They don’t work very well, but are cheap and available.

Finally, the US developed Moderna and Pfizer mRNA vaccines are particularly ill suited for third world use. They must be stored on dry ice. That poses an insurmountable logistics challenge to WHO.

More UN emotions before facts. WHO is like UNFCCC.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 1, 2021 6:15 am

Read more before posting nonsense.

Brazil is a member of the COVAX initiative and is mainly manufacturing/using the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine (while negotiating for the Pfizer one) – on a federal level, it has NOT bought the Sputnik vaccine, which is not even approved in the country.

As for the Sinopharm vaccine, its (heavily criticized) use is mainly the result of a political push by the incompetent governor of the São Paulo state, who happens to be a rabid opponent of Bolsonaro and had already signed a MoU with China to have early access to that ineffective crap.

Walter Sobchak
January 31, 2021 2:48 pm

The problem with this is that the taxpayers of the United States funded the development of the vaccines and the creation of factories and supply chains. If they had not done so, there would be no vaccines at all. It is the duty of the US government to protect its citizens first and foremost. Everyone else will just have to wait their turn.

Richard Page
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
January 31, 2021 3:13 pm

Be proud of your country! Under Trump the USA contributed M$701 to the COVAX AMC international effort to supply vaccines to poorer countries.

Max More
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
February 1, 2021 1:15 pm

The US taxpayer funded development of the Moderna vaccine but not the Pfizer vaccine.

Tim Gorman
January 31, 2021 2:48 pm

Judas Priest! The UN is flush with US money! Why don’t they spend some of to buy vaccine to distribute in poor counties. Cut UN workers salaries if necessary – that would show the world they are serious about this!

Reply to  Tim Gorman
January 31, 2021 3:37 pm

And who is keeping an eye on how the money is spent?

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  StephenP
January 31, 2021 4:42 pm

I’ll do it

I’ll use the handy booklet from Kofi Anand’s son and the Oil for Food (and money) program

Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 1, 2021 2:44 am

That UN travel budget can’t be touched

Richard Page
January 31, 2021 2:49 pm

The UK govt has, I believe, made a counter proposal. After supplying millions of doses already to the international AMC (I think it’s that) effort to supply poorer countries with the vaccine, they will continue to vaccinate in the UK but will increase the contribution of vaccine to the international effort as well as helping the EU out with shipments from AstraZenica in the UK.
That’s going to go down well in Brussels.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
January 31, 2021 3:08 pm

It’s the COVAX AMC international effort.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 12:15 am

The only thing that goes down well in Brussels is cocaine. Anything to do with “The people” can go and do one elsewhere….

Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 8:07 am

Will they be grateful? UMM??

Richard Page
Reply to  StephenP
February 1, 2021 9:08 am

Of course they won’t. But it is interesting to see how the differences between the UK and the EU have developed so quickly since Brexit. Once again, the UK is having to step up and help our partners in Europe.

January 31, 2021 3:03 pm

China can pay for it….all of it.

January 31, 2021 3:06 pm

WHO urges Britain to pause Covid jabs after treating vulnerable”

Now that’s almost as silly as the US putting Guantanamo inmates at the front of the vaccine line.

Rich Lambert
January 31, 2021 3:09 pm

Wouldn’t be surprised if all of UN and WHO already have gotten the vaccine.

Micha Elyi
Reply to  Rich Lambert
February 1, 2021 3:15 am

Veep Kamala Harris has taken her second dose of the Trump vaccine. She’s a socialist so why did she take a second dose when a lot of poor people haven’t yet received their first one?

Hold them to their own book of rules. Tightly. Until they pop.

January 31, 2021 3:14 pm

Their data says they don’t need it.

January 31, 2021 3:15 pm

Did they mention the Chinese version for distribution or the Russian one?

Richard Page
Reply to  ResourceGuy
February 1, 2021 5:27 am

Gamaleya Research Institute has contributed 349 million doses of the Russian ‘Sputnik’ vaccine to the international effort, Sinovac and CanSino have contributed 135 million doses of the Chinese vaccines.

January 31, 2021 3:16 pm

Those doses could then be diverted to the climate meeting.

January 31, 2021 3:17 pm

Does the WHO consider its non-field staff as essential?

January 31, 2021 3:25 pm

Whatever happened to ivermectin?

Reply to  Notanacademic
January 31, 2021 4:47 pm

It was purged from history so as not to make a certain individual look good and to make sure Big Pharma made more money.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Notanacademic
January 31, 2021 6:56 pm

I heard Laura Ingraham say on Friday on Fox News that she had a friend who had just been infected with the Wuhan virus and after about three days she was feeling real sick. Then she took Ivermectin, and Laura said the woman was out in her yard gardening 18 hours later.

Ivermectin is currently approved for the treatment of the Wuhan virus, but you will probably have to suggest that to your doctor because your doctor probably won’t volunteer it because early treatment with therapeutics has been demonized by the Left because Trump promoted the treatment.

I hear the doctors now have another antiviral treatment for the Wuhan virus that is anywhere from 10 to 100 times as effective as Remdisivir.

The key to using therapeutics is to treat the Wuhan virus as soon as a person tests positive. Don’t wait until you are so sick you have to go to the hospital.

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Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 1, 2021 2:48 am

GSK has a antiviral treatment in stage 3

Abolition Man
Reply to  Notanacademic
January 31, 2021 7:43 pm

Now that Orange Man Bad has been removed from office by the massive voter and ballot fraud of the Dims and their ChiCom allies, ivermectin and HCQ are being quietly and quickly rehabilitated so the PTB can pretend the whole thing never happened!
Personally, I’d rather rely on one of them than get the vaccine; anything Fauxi is involved in will always be suspect in my book! His lies and misdirection of the dempanic effort led to at least 200,000 unnecessary fatalities here in the US! But he and his cronies in the drug corps will make lots of money; so I guess all those people didn’t die in vain! Extra dark sarcasm!

Reply to  Abolition Man
February 1, 2021 2:09 am

Fauci lie? Remember on 60 Minutes when he told us masks really don’t work…he was protecting frontline workers 😉

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Abolition Man
February 1, 2021 11:32 am

“Now that Orange Man Bad has been removed from office by the massive voter and ballot fraud of the Dims and their ChiCom allies, ivermectin and HCQ are being quietly and quickly rehabilitated so the PTB can pretend the whole thing never happened!”

That’s true. The Laura Ingraham show at the time she mentioned her friend using Ivermcetin successfully, was also about the report that had been published by the American Medical association which took a look at over 30 studies on Hydroxychloriquine, and the report now says Hydroxychloriquine shows to be useful in early treatment.

So, yes it looks like they are finally acknowledging the truth.

No telling how many people have died that might have been saved had they been treated early.

And that is still the case today. The Medical Associations are accepting therapeutics, but they still don’t have a change in official policy that says Wuhan virus patients should be treated with therapeutics as soon as they test positive.

So they are still killing people unnecessarily.

Reply to  Abolition Man
February 1, 2021 8:05 pm

This site used to be about science now it’s for kooks. Yeah Trump was robbed! Get real.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Notanacademic
February 1, 2021 10:04 am

The NIH in the USA has just approved the use of Ivermectin.

Richard (the cynical one)
January 31, 2021 3:28 pm

Do we know if Margaret Harris has conveniently had her vaccinations before this request? Or is she non hypocritically leading by example, willingly and altruistically deferring her place for the greater good?
And, following her convoluted ‘logic’, how can anyone spread the vaccinations evenly and equitably (and so thinly) among the far-flung billions, one here, another way over there, etc? Both logistics and logic are insane.

Quilter 52
January 31, 2021 3:31 pm

Just checking has Ms Harris been vaccinated or is she expecting to wait as she has asked others to do? Of course the airheads asking this are forgetting that if the richer countries are vaccinated and back to work, there will be more money and people to assist the developing nations. Alternatively China could resuscitate its “barefoot doctors” and send them out to help.

Reply to  Quilter 52
January 31, 2021 5:13 pm

“When are you going to put it in?” @ 6:15. Same thing she told Willie Brown, BTW.

Richard Page
Reply to  Scissor
January 31, 2021 5:36 pm

Wrong Harris. And that is not cockney rhyming slang!

Reply to  Richard Page
January 31, 2021 7:48 pm

Sorry, I might have been mistaken, but from what I have heard, she knows cockney in a sort of humming vocalization.

Micha Elyi
Reply to  Scissor
February 1, 2021 3:18 am

I want to know why Veep Kamala Harris the socialist true believer has taken a second dose when so many poor people haven’t even had one dose yet.

Socialists are hypocrites.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Scissor
February 1, 2021 3:19 am

Just curious, what happens if Harris gets sick dies from the vaccine?

Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 1, 2021 3:52 am

quite a lot of people heave a sigh of relief?

Richard Page
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 1, 2021 4:56 am

First she’ll be replaced by someone far, far worse. Then the US will recall all vaccines issued and stop production until they can work out what happened – lots more people will get ill and possibly increased death tolls.
This is one situation where you want her to stay healthy.

Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
February 1, 2021 7:09 am

Same thing as if aliens land on the White House lawn, and about as likely.

Reply to  Quilter 52
February 1, 2021 12:46 pm

Does anyone know where K. Harris is even at?

Reply to  leowaj
February 1, 2021 1:35 pm

Last I heard, West Virginia, talking about having coal miners doing something about land mines.

Kit P
January 31, 2021 3:32 pm

The climate crisis and the panic demic have one thing in common. Both are manufactured.

We should mandate that the only cause to be listed on the death certificates for those that have reached the age of 70 be old age. That way our statics can stop being used by fear mongers

My wife died in her sleep of natural causes a few years ago. Finding her was the most traumatic event of my life but certainly not a crisis for society. The quality of my life has significantly decreased.

I am still in good health and spend lots of time with grandchildren. My son comes home from work and tells me that I can now get a vaccine. So I go online to sign up for my county.

No slots are available for months!

Based on the number of people over 70 and the rate of giving them out, maybe next year.

This is just more fake news. Headline: Vaccines for those over 70. Real story: Only for a a fw with connections.

I am OK with that. I have check the statistics for my age group. Covid-19 is not very deadly. Last year I had to delete two of my over 70 contacts because they died. That leaves only four.

So maybe this is my year to die of old age. With or without covid.

I am waiting! Waiting for my new sail to come in. Blew out my old sail in the last race last fall. Still beat younger racers. Old boat and old sails. New sail should be ready by spring. who cares about vacines?

The key is enjoying life.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Kit P
January 31, 2021 7:26 pm

We hope you stick around Kit!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Kit P
January 31, 2021 7:51 pm

Kit P,
Sorry for your loss, but keep on beating those younger sailors!
Look carefully at the vaccine before you get stuck; personally I would rather rely on ivermectin or HCQ than something that was rushed to market and seems to be killing a number of elderly like Hank Aaron!

Peta of Newark
Reply to  Kit P
January 31, 2021 8:34 pm

Yes Kit, you nailed it with “”The key is enjoying life.“”
The very business of enjoying yourself and the very reason we have a Dopamine Reward System in our heads, is that doing enjoyable things is ‘healthy’
Physical and mental health

Yet esp here in the UK, ANY attempt a people by ‘enjoy themselves’ is brutally slapped down by self-important, bullying and mendacious police, under instruction from Government.
In turn, under instruction from communist mistresses.

For any of the ‘flu type things’, one of The Best educations you can get is via the keeping of livestock, cows, horses or pigs esp
They are very susceptible to ‘pneumonias’ in the general sense and as their keeper, you learn what works and doesn’t.
Again, The Very Best Thing is = ‘Fresh Air‘ and lots and lots and lots of it.
Even if you worry about your charges getting ‘cold’. They won’t and neither will we.
Yet what do we get from our leaders and medical experts – lockdown.

  • Stay inside.
  • Don’t exercise.
  • Don’t get fresh air.

A huge part is because, by getting ‘cold’, you are burning sugar out of your bloodstream and becoming a Fat-Burning Metabolism
That reduces the hideous damage sugar does to you, allows your heart muscle to indulge the diet it can only really utilise (fat) and it clears your head of the Mental Fug sugar creates.
Your brain much prefers burning Ketone

Fat burning releases pent-up Vitamin D that was stored away in your blubber and mobilises the fresh Vit. D you make from neing out-of-doors, shock horror, enjoying yourself.
(See how it all fits together)

But especially older peeps need more of an especially essential = Vitamin B
That comes from primarily, an animal based diet
Yet muppet Government and doctors say that plants are healthier

So now we see why Care Home Residents die in droves

  • Easy to lockdown
  • Small appetites
  • Limited outdoor ‘play’, fresh air and sunlight
  • Government mandated nutrient-free diet revolving around vegetables
  • The insane notion, inside the Mediterranean Diet, that alcohol is good.

So they become lazy & lethargic (physically and mentally) sugar burners, lacking Vitamin B and D while alcohol trashes their Zinc reserves

And it becomes Everybody Else’s Fault when they die.

I repeat, esp for anyone over age 55 or age 45 if you’re fat.

  • Vitamin B complex
  • 1,000ui daily of Vitamin D, maybe check out Vitamin K2 while you’re there, especially the girls
  • Magnesium (helps the Vit D to work)
  • Zinc if you drink ANY amount of alcohol
  • Put on some really loud music and dance ##

While you’re out shopping, find an Agricultural Merchant, certainly one with any sort of horsey bent, and pick up as small a pack of Ivermectin wormer.

Don’t worry about the dose. Often it comes as a ‘Pour On’ = Ivermectin dissolved in alcohol.
It’s absorbs through your skin – use a few drops as hand sanitiser once a week and you’re sorted.
You don’t need very much of that stuff, it truly is = Epic

## Don’t worry about ‘looking stupid’ – allowing yourself to be =dead’ is even dumber.

Make it loud so that it ‘Blows Away The Cobwebs’, so loud that it stops you thinking/cogitating/worrying/stressing and/or depressing yourself about anything else for at least an hour or so.
Meditation meets Cold Shower during a Triathlon
Shake that body, move it, use what your Mama gave you – it is The Biggest Compliment anyone could give their Mama.

And without letting on barely any clue, she will be The Happiest Mama there ever was.
Mams are like that.
The kids know that, its what kids are for, to make their parents happy.
Happy People live longer. Neat innit?
It all fits together sooo perfectly yet our other worldly doctors and politicians say exactly the opposite. madness.

Yet what happens when the kids do go out enjoy themselves – in the UK they get a £10,000 fine.
And we worry about what goes on in China!!!!

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Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Peta of Newark
February 1, 2021 10:10 am


Reply to  Kit P
February 1, 2021 12:12 am

Good on yer Kit.
It sounds as if you are following Clint Eastwood’s advice in his film “Don’t let the
Old Man In”.
Well worth watching if you haven’t done so already!

Reply to  StephenP
February 1, 2021 12:15 am

By the way, the film accompanies a song by Toby Keith.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Kit P
February 1, 2021 10:08 am

You can do well by taking at least 2,000 units of Vitamin D, some Vitamin C and zinc lozenges.

Richard Page
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 1, 2021 11:39 am

Please don’t. Take the vaccine. I have a vitamin D deficiency and I’ve been unable to get any since this thing started. Is it too much to ask that I can get the medicines I need without other people hoarding them for their own use?
Ok so that last bit was a little bit tongue in cheek but I do feel a bit frustrated that I need this medication and other people are buying it all up when other things will do as well or better for them.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 6:36 pm

In most of Canada it will be a while before most people get the vaccine. I was already taking Vitamin D and C so I added Zinc. The so-called “medical experts” in Canada have said nothing in their daily interviews about your actual health, S i and many others have to take care of ourselves. In my view treatment in Canada is almost non-existent so if you are deficient in D or zinc, you are in trouble. The residents in long term care homes were dying from neglect as well as lack of treatment. I am thankful I am not in one yet.

Richard Page
January 31, 2021 3:35 pm

Presumably these are vaccines that have already been bought by the international fund but haven’t been delivered fast enough for the WHO to begin vaccine rollouts in these poorer countries. Perhaps if they tried to encourage companies to increase production rather than asking countries to stop vaccinating they might get a better response.

January 31, 2021 3:47 pm

Chalk another one up for central planning. As usual, rob the successful to make up for your incompetence and blame it on greed.

January 31, 2021 4:05 pm

Calling some of this stuff a “vaccine” is being questioned by a number of well-credentialled medics eg Drs Lee Merritt, David Martin, Sherri Tenpenny, and researcher Judy Mikovits. Eg “this is a device, not a vaccine”.

Richard Page
Reply to  Martin Clark
January 31, 2021 4:12 pm

Does it really matter? If it does the job I’d be prepared to call it a gold plated thingummy doohickey.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Richard Page
January 31, 2021 4:39 pm

But the issue is people think of it as a vaccine with all that entails, but it isn’t.

These things help you fight it off but don’t keep you from getting it or spreading it.

We already see the official shift here in canada, telling us not much changes after vaccination, still must lock down until ALL vaccinated

Which means it does not confer immunity.

Majority were snowed

Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 31, 2021 5:45 pm

I am still waiting for evidence that the primary effect of the vaccines didn’t derive from a stimulation of the innate immune response. With such a mild disease as Covid a stimulation of the innate immune response could have had a large effect. Since the placebos used didn’t control for innate immune response (I. E. the placebos didn’t cause an innate immune response but the main treatment did) it could be that the vaccine’s antibody stimulation is secondary to the innate response stimulation and what happens when that wears off is not clear.

Reply to  BCBill
February 1, 2021 12:21 am

The Oxford/Astra vaccine used a meningitis vaccine for the placebo group…..

Reply to  JohnM
February 1, 2021 3:57 am

hardly a placebo is it?
apples n oranges

Monna Manhas
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 31, 2021 5:48 pm

I understood it, but trying to make other people understand was virtually impossible. They refused to hear it because they did not want to hear it.

Richard Page
Reply to  Monna Manhas
February 1, 2021 4:59 am

I understood it as well. Now if they’d called it an ‘immunisation’ rather than a ‘vaccine’ then I could understand the confusion.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Martin Clark
February 1, 2021 12:37 am

Experimental gene therapy is less of a misnomer than vaccine.

Dr. Mercola’s site is worth a read before making a decision.

Andre Thomas Lewis
January 31, 2021 4:06 pm

Presumably this forced distribution of vaccines applies to China and to be equitable China should be paying all the production and distribution costs to make up for their failure to warn other countries infected in time.

Len Werner
January 31, 2021 4:13 pm

If any of this is real–there is room for it all to be a government-sponsored mass delusion when suddenly no-one dies of influenza during flu season but lots seemingly die ‘Covid-related’–when the WHO is so far in the toilet for their conspiring with the Chinese government to cover it up when it all started, and being the major cause of so many countries becoming infected–this request is pretty rich in its own right. What a stunning display of a total absence of conscience and accountability; right up there with Governor Cuomo.

(As I said–if its real.)

Richard Page
Reply to  Len Werner
February 1, 2021 10:38 am

My imagination really isn’t that good to have invested deeply into a psychosis like you describe. I am going to have to say it’s real. Take the red pill, Len.

Ian W
Reply to  Richard Page
February 7, 2021 8:11 am

The mawkish graphs that the ‘governments’ are all, like climate graphs, displaying carefully sized Y axes. If the Y axis is adjusted to be what it should be so for infections in a state – the population of the state. The infections disappear. Most disease outbreaks the governments are trying to calm the population. The COVID-19 outbreak the governments are trying to alarm the population; it is that contrast as much as the numbers that is alarming people – and people who are not used to assessing risk, especially about their own lives, are easy to panic.

So Richard you take the red pill too. Remember the adage: “it is easier to fool people than convince them afterward that they have been fooled.”

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Pat from kerbob
January 31, 2021 4:34 pm

I think this is why Trudeau purchased 10x more vaccines than we need, instead of purchasing double number of required does but paying more for early delivery, if he’d done that we’d be well on our way.
Like Israel did

Instead we keep getting kicked to the curb.

Based on past Trudeau actions and his overwhelming impulse to virtue signaling to the UN and the world, he bought all those so he can graciously donate them to the world.

The question now is will he pause our internal vaccine schedule so he can divert earlier?

Since he has a minority Govt and is looking for a chance to go to the polls (he has had a popularity surge due to spending my grandkids taxes) I think this is his sword edge.
Donating the vaccine will please his most rabid supporters but push the center away.

So I hope he does it

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MM from Canada
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 31, 2021 5:50 pm

Canada is at the back of the line because Trudeau tried to cut a deal with the Chinese – who then reneged on the deal in June or July. Then he had to start from scratch.

Richard Page
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
February 1, 2021 6:41 am

Got to feel sorry for Canada – Trudeau only seems to back a losing bet. I’m guessing either his advisors are poor to ineffectual and/or he’s completely unable to work out how to pick a winner.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 9:51 am

I’m guessing either his advisors are poor to ineffectual and/or he’s completely unable to work out how to pick a winner.

The description fits biden as well

January 31, 2021 4:46 pm

I will do my part by not ever getting the vaccine. Your welcome.

Reply to  Wade
January 31, 2021 5:16 pm

You don’t want to drop like a fly?

Richard Page
Reply to  Wade
February 1, 2021 6:44 am

You’re very welcome. Seeing as you just volunteered to extend lockdown, I’m going to get the vaccine when it’s available so we can end the lockdown thing as soon as possible. Enjoy your isolation. sarc

January 31, 2021 4:46 pm

Worst case, a vaccinated person could still be an asymptomatic carrier.

How serious is asymptomatic transmission?

This study examined 77,758 CV-19 patients and found that the likelihood of an asymptomatic person passing on their infection to someone in their own household was 0.7%. Not an impossibility, but the risk seems small enough to be a minor, manageable threat.


Richard Page
Reply to  PaulH
February 1, 2021 6:53 am

Unfortunately for that article, not a huge amount of research has been done on asymptomatic transfer rates – the range at present is considered to be anywhere between 3 and 25 times lower than symptomatic transfer. Then look at households with more than one other person and the risk increases that at least one of those other people will get it. It’s not as simple or as small a risk as you make out.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 10:15 am

Those are valid points. But it sure would be nice to have an understanding of the risk of asymptomatic transmission. If the risk is manageable, then perhaps we could stop treating everybody like poison.

Richard Page
Reply to  PaulH
February 1, 2021 10:43 am

I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately not enough data and far too big an error range in what we do know. The only thing I can say for certain is every time the rules are relaxed, the r rate and deaths start to creep back up so either we’re missing something very significant or asymptomatic transmission is much greater than 7%.

William Haas
January 31, 2021 5:43 pm

The USA is not a rich nation. We currently have a huge federal debt and huge annual trade deficits. Before you classify the USA as a rich nation we need to pay off our National Debt and start running trade surpluses which will not happen any time soon especially under an administration who wants to destroy our own economy in the name of fighting climate change.

Reply to  William Haas
February 1, 2021 12:28 am

The USA imports consumer products because the home-grown products are too expensive, due to the higher wages and benefits the workers get. Now, if y’all agreed to accept third-world wages……even Harley shifted production of some of its machines to India….to avoid the tariff wars…now, the nat-debt is $27 trillion +- so do the math….and in a country where [like many] avoiding taxes is a national sport?

January 31, 2021 5:44 pm

To the Mods:

It is high time to stop giving airtime to half baked “science” pieces like this one, that are squarely at odds with mounds of empirical data and 150 years or so of clinical evidence. I don’t care about the author’s purported credentials, this sort of rubbish only serves to perpetuate the campaign of fear that has driven the COVID story this far.

Centuries of immunology teach that when a vaccine produces enough antibodies, this a) prevents infection by the pathogen against which the vaccine is designed and b) because the antibodies “shred” the target pathogen on sight, the resulting “confetti” cannot infect anyone else.
Once an individual is properly immunized and has produced an adequate titer of antibodies, said individual cannot infect anyone else. Suggesting they maybe, maybe possibly, possibly maybe we don’t really know, is pseudoscience on par with homeopathy and astrology, and in this setting quite dangerous.

There is an awful lot of politics at play in the COVID story, and the question is who is seeding this particular dangerous narrative and why?
Of particular note is that the WHO last November quietly removed from its website all mention of naturally acquired herd immunity, explicitly stating that herd immunity can only be attained through vaccination.
This is a pseudo scientific statement with political overtones that flies in the face of massive immunological and epidemiological evidence, and in addition the incontrovertible fact that 35-50% of populations in cities like Stockholm, Tokyo and London have antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. They developed those antibodies because they were infected by the virus, the quasi totality of them asymptotically.
Once you are successfully vaccinated your are both immune and non-contagious.

Reply to  tetris
January 31, 2021 5:48 pm

Typo: asymptomatic. Of course.

Ian W
Reply to  tetris
January 31, 2021 8:03 pm

Of particular note is that the WHO last November quietly removed from its website all mention of naturally acquired herd immunity, explicitly stating that herd immunity can only be attained through vaccination.

This is the position of the World Economic Forum who want to use vaccination as a control on travel and participation in events using ‘vaccine passports’. It would really muddy their proposals if people had immunity from actually surviving disease. Don’t try to confuse them with facts they have MBAs.

Worse still the WEF (and a lot of the medical establishment) are of the opinion that the only way that you can prevent a viral disease is by vaccination. That is why they were so against zinc/zinc ionophore treatment for COVID-19. Not only that if there was a working therapeutic then FDA cannot release a vaccine for emergency use – as there is no emergency – and there IS NO emergency, In Africa where the go to treatment for all minor ailments is hydroxychloroquine – they have had very very few deaths from COVID-19.

The Front Line Doctors are correct, COVID-19 can be cured as an outpatient in a week and NIH were aware of that 10 years ago. The same cure zinc/zinc ionphore – also cures many other RNA viruses – like influenza and polio. The intracellular zinc blocks the RNA viruses from using the ribosomes in the cell to replicate. Think of the loss to the vaccine industry if influenza vaccination was unnecessary.

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Reply to  tetris
February 1, 2021 4:03 am

once youve caught n recovered naturally youre about as immune as from a vax would be
measles for life IF you got it naturally less so from the vax
flus mutate always so the covid vax is likely to end up being promoted as a yearly jab(with a push to same brand ongoing profits)
polio vax is THE biggest source of the now rising polio in places they heavily vaxxed gee thanks bill

Richard Page
Reply to  tetris
February 1, 2021 11:47 am

Of course centuries of immunology have also taught us that viruses are not all the same – some antibody immunities last for life, some about 10 years and some only about 1 year. So far the studies on how long COVID antibody immunity will last have been going for about 5 months which poses the question: maybe it’s for a year, maybe more, maybe life – do you feel lucky enough to risk it?

January 31, 2021 10:46 pm

They are simply afraid to lose 90% of the world market share to Sputnik V and others, which work much better and do not have those grave side effects.
The idea is to attach the third world countries to Moderna/Pfizer/AZ before that happens.

February 1, 2021 2:39 am

If anybody was going to stop, it wouldn’t happen till all of those who want the vaccine have gotten the vaccine.
Besides, proper virtue signaling has eliminated any social advantage to having the vaccine. Couldn’t have anybody be acknowledged to have gained an advantage by rolling up their sleeves. That talk of a “freedom passport” is anathema to the World Order, but “travel papers” fit right in.

Micha Elyi
February 1, 2021 3:10 am

I suspect that the dictat… um, ‘democratic leaders’ of the impoverished Third World have enough loot stashed in Switzerland’s banks to buy everyone in the impoverished Third World ten vaccinations.

February 1, 2021 4:03 am

Germany may use Russian and Chinese vaccines, politicians suggestn a sign of how much pressure the country’s political leaders are under amid a stalling vaccine rollout, Bavaria’s state premier Markus Söder said Germany should look at approving Sputnik V and Chinese jabs.
German health minister Jens Spahn also signalled he was open to using Russian and Chinese vaccines if they are approved by EU regulators. In an interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeiting, he said those vaccines could help with ending the pandemic.

Richard Page
Reply to  Vuk
February 1, 2021 5:04 am

There’s a reversal. Hungary came under fire from Germany for approving the use of first the Russian ‘Sputnik’ then the Chinese vaccine last week. Now the Germans want to follow suit. It’s all working out jolly well, isn’t It?

Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 1:07 pm

Richard, yesterday asked a question about my comment on Feigenbaum constant, I have posted an answer there.

Matthew Sykes
February 1, 2021 4:27 am

Why should the British sacrifice their lives?

Richard Page
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
February 1, 2021 10:46 am

“Because we’re here, lad. Now button your tunic.”

Patrick MJD
February 1, 2021 4:33 am

This vaccine is nothing short of a subscription.

Doug Huffman
February 1, 2021 4:40 am

Y’all can have mine.

I’ll take an antibody Ab test please, understanding sensitivity and specificity.

The conspiracy of ignorance MASQUErades as common sense. Faux FauXi

February 1, 2021 4:49 am

Hey, Maggie! Over here! You first, you crackpot cow! We’ll just send YOU to the end of the vaxx line. You can wait your turn like everyone else.

What a clanker!!! Wait ’till SHE hits her elder years and finds herself set off to one side.

Bruce Cobb
February 1, 2021 4:56 am

Just wait ’til Horton hears about this.

Paul C
February 1, 2021 6:02 am

Several countries have funded vaccine research, and production facilities. The WHO is basically saying that such funding should stop because they want to remove the benefit from such funding. First, those who have paid (through their government) for more vaccine treatments than they need, and contracted with producers to receive the first doses, need to be given the opportunity to receive what they have already paid for. The seasonality of the disease will likely allow the northern hemisphere to claim control of the epidemic in May/June. The bulk distribution of vaccine to other countries should only take place when all restrictions have been lifted on the populace of the countries who have paid for the vaccines. A reciprocal arrangement with southern hemisphere producers (Australia) to boost vaccination in their respective autumns would likely benefit both parties. The EU tantrum and WHO diktats are likely to inhibit rather than enhance distribution. Once the vaccination programme is nearing completion in a producer country, such as Britain, under normal circumstances, assistance would be provided to a friend in greatest need – such as Portugal. WHO interference with this natural process is counterproductive.

Richard Page
Reply to  Paul C
February 1, 2021 8:36 am

Not really. It looks as though billions of doses have been ordered and paid for through the COVAX AMC international fund by developed nations, many of whom have vaccine producing companies in those countries. What the WHO is saying is that the delivery isn’t getting through in quantity as those developed nations are taking their deliveries first. The WHO is asking for those developed nations to pause their domestic deliveries until larger quantities of the COVAX orders can be sent out and implemented in other countries.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 2, 2021 9:47 am

Quite probably, some of those govts will sell the vaccines to the highest bidder…..

February 1, 2021 7:50 am

The repeated assertion, “clearly morally the right thing to do” is absurd.

Take the vaccine from person A and give it to person B. Not withstanding the economic position of either is unjust to person A. The simple experiment is to swap who holds the vaccine and production. Would UN WHO, cry it is inequitable and immoral?

Each nation must help its citizens first and for most as a family. Then afford assistance to its global neighbours.

Richard Page
Reply to  Nick
February 1, 2021 8:58 am

Again, not. This is vaccine that has been ordered and paid for by the international fund but is being blocked by some countries insisting that their orders must be fulfilled completely before anybody else’s. It is entirely possible that, WHO’s comments notwithstanding, most companies can fulfil domestic orders alongside the international orders with only a small slowdown in delivery – certainly AZ seem to be confident in doing so. Chances are that a countries rollout of the vaccine is going to be slower than the deliveries are received anyway so many countries may not have any problems with their vaccine programs.

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Reply to  Richard Page
February 1, 2021 12:53 pm

Richard, in what way is it “entirely possible that… most companies can fulfil domestic orders alongside the international order with only a small slow down in delivery”?

Richard Page
Reply to  leowaj
February 1, 2021 3:17 pm

Many countries are experiencing problems with vaccinating once they have the vaccine. In Scotland, for example, half of the vaccines they’ve received to date are still in cold storage – they are receiving about twice as much vaccine doses as they are able to use. It’s all very well wanting as much product as you can get as fast as you can so you know how much you have to give out but It’s entirely another matter if half of that product sits around doing nothing when it could have been sent to another country that’s crying out to begin it’s rollout.

Paul C
February 1, 2021 8:01 am

From an article in June last year.
AstraZeneca has started to mass-produce the experimental AZD1222 jab, developed by Oxford University, at factories in India, Oxford, Switzerland and Norway.”
I guess the November update of the article added the fourth country, but it does show the six month timescale it took to get the original factories up to full volume production. It also shows the plan for wide distribution which interference from WHO is only likely to inhibit.
The fact remains that the EU tantrum has succeeded in diverting supplies from somewhere else into the EU. Rewarding such behaviour just stores up problems in the future.

Richard Page
Reply to  Paul C
February 1, 2021 8:47 am

AZ appear to have been on the ball, indeed, even ahead of the game. Not only are they setting up factories in various countries to increase production but they started the rollout of vaccines to the COVAX AMC weeks ago. The comment on a previous topic when an EU supporter mistakenly accused the UK of selling the vaccine on because an EU official had seen vaccine shipments with international addresses on was obviously part of the WHO effort even back then. AZ appear to be in a strong enough position to deliver to the EU and UK as well as to WHO. The latest information appears to be that 4 million doses of the AZ vaccine will be sent from the UK to the EU to boost their programme until the Belgian factory can get up to full speed.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 2, 2021 9:45 am

Hope the paperwork is ok, otherwise France won’t let it in (not a joke!)

Gordon A. Dressler
February 1, 2021 8:39 am

Please tell me again: what exactly was the reason newly-minted President Biden decided it was in the best interests of the USA to again become a member of WHO?

And also remind me exactly how many member nations of WHO can be classified as being “friendly” toward the US independent of money being given to them?

Richard Page
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
February 1, 2021 9:19 am

It was actually President Trump that contributed M$701 to the WHO international COVAX AMC effort to provide vaccines to poorer nations. President Biden is in a position now to take all the credit but has done bugger all so far.

Gerald Machnee
February 1, 2021 9:59 am

There are alternate treatment available if you are short of the vaccine:

You will not find this info in the MSM especially the corrupt CNN. These studies show the success of Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin:


This report shows the deadly results of the media anti-Trump campaign as well as the errors of Dr. Fauci and the Democrats:


Ian W
Reply to  Gerald Machnee
February 7, 2021 8:30 am

Because of his long involvement in trying to get vaccines accepted, as soon as Fauci saw the potential cures from zinc/zinc ionophore/antibiotic – most notably the zinc ionophore Hydroxychloroquine; he had to rubbish them as if there is an available working therapeutic it is not possible for the FDA to give Emergency Use Approval to a vaccine. This position was held until the vaccines were being distributed and only now will the medical establishment admit that therapeutic cures work.

From https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/circus-corona-12/

Let me remind you again that NO vaccine or genetic treatment protects as well as vitamin D3 (4000 IE) and zinc (50 mg). And if you still get symptoms of a (lung) infection, I do not recommend hospital, but 500 mg “Quercetin” from the Health Food Store or a prescription for “Plaquenil” (=HCQ), 200 mg 2 x daily for 5 days.

So now you also know the reason that none of the talking heads recommending lockdowns have said anything about being sufficient in vitamin D and zinc.

It is all venal reasoning that doctors who treat real patients find difficult to accept

Robert of Texas
February 1, 2021 10:18 am

How about each country tax it’s own people and provide services based upon those taxes to it’s own people? You know, “government for the people by the people” kind of stuff? It is immoral for any government to allow its own population to suffer in order to transfer wealth to other persons or nations. Once there is an abundance of supply, THEN we can start helping the poorer nations.

Richard Page
Reply to  Robert of Texas
February 1, 2021 1:04 pm

The wealth has already been transferred – the vaccine was ordered and paid for last year with money donated, but so far little has actually been delivered. Both can happen at the same time as many countries are getting more supplied than they can actually use in the time allotted. Scotland, for example, has about half their vaccines in cold storage; they seem to be receiving vaccines almost twice as fast as they can roll them out to their citizens.

Gerald Machnee
February 1, 2021 6:27 pm

Some general info including the approval of Ivermectin:

The Hydroxchloroquine + + battle has been sidelined by the much more effective Ivermectin. Unfortunately many hospitals are still not adopting its use. Here is the list of papers and studies:


The National Institute of Health (NIH) has been considering IVM for months, and here is their latest concession:

NIH (National Institutes of Health) Revises Treatment Guidelines for Ivermectin for the Treatment of COVID-19
Ivermectin is Now a Treatment Option for Health Care Providers!Jan 14, 2021 – One week after Dr. Paul Marik and Dr. Pierre Kory – founding members of the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) – along with Dr. Andrew Hill, researcher and consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO), presented their data before the NIH Treatment Guidelines Panel, the NIH has upgraded their recommen­da­tion and now considers Ivermectin an option for use in COVID-19.

At that site they have their I-Mask + protocol they use for Covid-19:


Video on the NIH decision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7IBAnFLV4

Here is the Senate presentation by Dr Kory from almost two months ago:


Recent article which said: Further supporting his claims, Marik said one of his colleagues in Houston, Texas, has been prescribing Ivermectin since March 2020 when the initial studies came out and his hospital has the lowest mortality of any hospital in the entire world.


January 7th:


WHO did a detailed analysis:


The blogs are hot and heavy on IVM, a typical site:


Older information:




February 2, 2021 11:34 am
Reply to  richard
February 2, 2021 11:34 am

12 million

February 2, 2021 8:46 pm

Climate change is being used for the same thing, to slow us down (contraction) so other nations can catch up (convergence)

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