Guest essay by Eric Worrall
WHO Spokesperson Margaret Harris wants rich nations including the USA to allow some of their people die, so more vaccines can be diverted to poor nations to allow them to “catch up”. But following Harris’ advice could significantly increase deaths amongst young people.
WHO urges Britain to pause Covid jabs after treating vulnerable
Nadeem Badshah
Sat 30 Jan 2021 22.57 AEDTMove would help poorer countries receive vaccine, says World Health Organization
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A WHO spokeswoman, Margaret Harris, said she wanted to appeal to people in the UK, telling them: “You can wait” because ensuring equitable global distribution is “clearly morally the right thing to do”.
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When asked to clarify whether the UK should help efforts elsewhere once it had vaccinated its top nine priority groups, Harris told BBC Breakfast: “We’re asking all countries in those circumstances to do that. Hang on, wait for those other groups.
“We’ll also appeal to all the people of the UK – you can wait.
“We’re asking countries, once you’ve got those [high-risk and healthcare worker] groups, please ensure that the supply you’ve got access to is provided for others.Advertisement
“While that is morally clearly the right thing to do, it’s also economically the right thing to do.
“There have been a number of very interesting analyses showing that just vaccinating your own country and then sitting there and saying ‘we’re fine’ will not work economically.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable
I haven’t been able to find a video / audio of this interview. Note people outside the UK cannot watch BBC iPlayer links.
The problem with halting vaccination the way the WHO describes is vaccinated people might not get sick, but there is a possibility they can still spread the virus to other unvaccinated people – the vaccine might not completely prevent infection.
Does the AstraZeneca Vaccine Also Stop Covid Transmission?
ADAM ROGERSSCIENCE
11.25.2020 03:41 PM…
The problem is, a Covid-19 vaccine that only prevents illness—which is to say, symptoms—might not prevent infection with the virus or transmission of it to other people. Worst case, a vaccinated person could still be an asymptomatic carrier. That could be bad. More younger people tend to get the virus, but more older people tend to die from it; socioeconomic status and ethnicity also have an impact on death rates. Some people have relatively light symptoms; other people have symptoms that hang on for months. And perhaps most importantly, a vaccine is the only way to reach herd immunity without a bloodbath. As politicized as the notion has become, herd immunity is essentially the sum of direct protection—what you might get if you’re vaccinated—and indirect protection, safety afforded by the fact that people around you aren’t transmitting the disease to you because they either already had the disease themselves or because they got vaccinated against it. If vaccinated people can still be asymptomatic spreaders, that means less indirect protection for the herd.
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That’s almost certainly not going to be the situation. The vaccines will probably all have some effect on transmission. But right now no one knows how much, or which one is better, or for whom—because so far only AstraZeneca has even a hint of data studying the problem.
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(How good is that data? Well, about that: Ann Falsey, a physician at the University of Rochester School of Medicine who’s leading the US portion of the AstraZeneca vaccine trial, told me via email that “the Oxford study press release hinted at some transmission data, but I am not privileged to that data so I really can’t offer much to say.” A few hours after this story first published, Falsey emailed to add that her study and the Oxford one “are funded and run separately.“ Spokespeople for AstraZeneca didn’t return my requests for more information. Neither did anyone at Moderna. Jerica Pitts, a spokesperson at Pfizer, did, but with nothing yet to report. “In the coming months we will test participants’ blood samples for antibodies that recognize a part of the virus that is not in the vaccine. If fewer participants in the vaccine group than in the placebo group develop such antibodies, we will have evidence that the vaccine can prevent infection as well as disease,” Pitts wrote me in an email. “We do not yet have those data.”)
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Read more: https://www.wired.com/story/does-the-astrazeneca-vaccine-also-stop-covid-transmission/
There is a good chance the vaccine prevents asymptomatic infection as well as stopping people getting sick. But nobody knows for sure.
Young healthy people are far less vulnerable to Covid-19 than older people, but if the vaccine does not prevent asymptomatic infection, or worse increases the risk of the vaccinated becoming asymptomatic carriers, halting vaccine distribution to satisfy the WHO’s demand could lead to a significant increase in deaths amongst people who have not been vaccinated.
I will do my part by not ever getting the vaccine. Your welcome.
You don’t want to drop like a fly?
You’re very welcome. Seeing as you just volunteered to extend lockdown, I’m going to get the vaccine when it’s available so we can end the lockdown thing as soon as possible. Enjoy your isolation. sarc
How serious is asymptomatic transmission?
This study examined 77,758 CV-19 patients and found that the likelihood of an asymptomatic person passing on their infection to someone in their own household was 0.7%. Not an impossibility, but the risk seems small enough to be a minor, manageable threat.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
Unfortunately for that article, not a huge amount of research has been done on asymptomatic transfer rates – the range at present is considered to be anywhere between 3 and 25 times lower than symptomatic transfer. Then look at households with more than one other person and the risk increases that at least one of those other people will get it. It’s not as simple or as small a risk as you make out.
Those are valid points. But it sure would be nice to have an understanding of the risk of asymptomatic transmission. If the risk is manageable, then perhaps we could stop treating everybody like poison.
I agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately not enough data and far too big an error range in what we do know. The only thing I can say for certain is every time the rules are relaxed, the r rate and deaths start to creep back up so either we’re missing something very significant or asymptomatic transmission is much greater than 7%.
The USA is not a rich nation. We currently have a huge federal debt and huge annual trade deficits. Before you classify the USA as a rich nation we need to pay off our National Debt and start running trade surpluses which will not happen any time soon especially under an administration who wants to destroy our own economy in the name of fighting climate change.
The USA imports consumer products because the home-grown products are too expensive, due to the higher wages and benefits the workers get. Now, if y’all agreed to accept third-world wages……even Harley shifted production of some of its machines to India….to avoid the tariff wars…now, the nat-debt is $27 trillion +- so do the math….and in a country where [like many] avoiding taxes is a national sport?
To the Mods:
It is high time to stop giving airtime to half baked “science” pieces like this one, that are squarely at odds with mounds of empirical data and 150 years or so of clinical evidence. I don’t care about the author’s purported credentials, this sort of rubbish only serves to perpetuate the campaign of fear that has driven the COVID story this far.
Centuries of immunology teach that when a vaccine produces enough antibodies, this a) prevents infection by the pathogen against which the vaccine is designed and b) because the antibodies “shred” the target pathogen on sight, the resulting “confetti” cannot infect anyone else.
Once an individual is properly immunized and has produced an adequate titer of antibodies, said individual cannot infect anyone else. Suggesting they maybe, maybe possibly, possibly maybe we don’t really know, is pseudoscience on par with homeopathy and astrology, and in this setting quite dangerous.
There is an awful lot of politics at play in the COVID story, and the question is who is seeding this particular dangerous narrative and why?
Of particular note is that the WHO last November quietly removed from its website all mention of naturally acquired herd immunity, explicitly stating that herd immunity can only be attained through vaccination.
This is a pseudo scientific statement with political overtones that flies in the face of massive immunological and epidemiological evidence, and in addition the incontrovertible fact that 35-50% of populations in cities like Stockholm, Tokyo and London have antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. They developed those antibodies because they were infected by the virus, the quasi totality of them asymptotically.
Once you are successfully vaccinated your are both immune and non-contagious.
Typo: asymptomatic. Of course.
This is the position of the World Economic Forum who want to use vaccination as a control on travel and participation in events using ‘vaccine passports’. It would really muddy their proposals if people had immunity from actually surviving disease. Don’t try to confuse them with facts they have MBAs.
Worse still the WEF (and a lot of the medical establishment) are of the opinion that the only way that you can prevent a viral disease is by vaccination. That is why they were so against zinc/zinc ionophore treatment for COVID-19. Not only that if there was a working therapeutic then FDA cannot release a vaccine for emergency use – as there is no emergency – and there IS NO emergency, In Africa where the go to treatment for all minor ailments is hydroxychloroquine – they have had very very few deaths from COVID-19.
The Front Line Doctors are correct, COVID-19 can be cured as an outpatient in a week and NIH were aware of that 10 years ago. The same cure zinc/zinc ionphore – also cures many other RNA viruses – like influenza and polio. The intracellular zinc blocks the RNA viruses from using the ribosomes in the cell to replicate. Think of the loss to the vaccine industry if influenza vaccination was unnecessary.
once youve caught n recovered naturally youre about as immune as from a vax would be
measles for life IF you got it naturally less so from the vax
flus mutate always so the covid vax is likely to end up being promoted as a yearly jab(with a push to same brand ongoing profits)
polio vax is THE biggest source of the now rising polio in places they heavily vaxxed gee thanks bill
Of course centuries of immunology have also taught us that viruses are not all the same – some antibody immunities last for life, some about 10 years and some only about 1 year. So far the studies on how long COVID antibody immunity will last have been going for about 5 months which poses the question: maybe it’s for a year, maybe more, maybe life – do you feel lucky enough to risk it?
They are simply afraid to lose 90% of the world market share to Sputnik V and others, which work much better and do not have those grave side effects.
The idea is to attach the third world countries to Moderna/Pfizer/AZ before that happens.
If anybody was going to stop, it wouldn’t happen till all of those who want the vaccine have gotten the vaccine.
Besides, proper virtue signaling has eliminated any social advantage to having the vaccine. Couldn’t have anybody be acknowledged to have gained an advantage by rolling up their sleeves. That talk of a “freedom passport” is anathema to the World Order, but “travel papers” fit right in.
I suspect that the dictat… um, ‘democratic leaders’ of the impoverished Third World have enough loot stashed in Switzerland’s banks to buy everyone in the impoverished Third World ten vaccinations.
Germany may use Russian and Chinese vaccines, politicians suggestn a sign of how much pressure the country’s political leaders are under amid a stalling vaccine rollout, Bavaria’s state premier Markus Söder said Germany should look at approving Sputnik V and Chinese jabs.
German health minister Jens Spahn also signalled he was open to using Russian and Chinese vaccines if they are approved by EU regulators. In an interview with Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeiting, he said those vaccines could help with ending the pandemic.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/01/coronavirus-live-news-eu-wants-70-of-adults-vaccinated-by-end-of-summer-israel-extends-covid-lockdown
There’s a reversal. Hungary came under fire from Germany for approving the use of first the Russian ‘Sputnik’ then the Chinese vaccine last week. Now the Germans want to follow suit. It’s all working out jolly well, isn’t It?
Indeed.
Richard, yesterday asked a question about my comment on Feigenbaum constant, I have posted an answer there.
Why should the British sacrifice their lives?
“Because we’re here, lad. Now button your tunic.”
This vaccine is nothing short of a subscription.
Y’all can have mine.
I’ll take an antibody Ab test please, understanding sensitivity and specificity.
The conspiracy of ignorance MASQUErades as common sense. Faux FauXi
Hey, Maggie! Over here! You first, you crackpot cow! We’ll just send YOU to the end of the vaxx line. You can wait your turn like everyone else.
What a clanker!!! Wait ’till SHE hits her elder years and finds herself set off to one side.
Just wait ’til Horton hears about this.
Several countries have funded vaccine research, and production facilities. The WHO is basically saying that such funding should stop because they want to remove the benefit from such funding. First, those who have paid (through their government) for more vaccine treatments than they need, and contracted with producers to receive the first doses, need to be given the opportunity to receive what they have already paid for. The seasonality of the disease will likely allow the northern hemisphere to claim control of the epidemic in May/June. The bulk distribution of vaccine to other countries should only take place when all restrictions have been lifted on the populace of the countries who have paid for the vaccines. A reciprocal arrangement with southern hemisphere producers (Australia) to boost vaccination in their respective autumns would likely benefit both parties. The EU tantrum and WHO diktats are likely to inhibit rather than enhance distribution. Once the vaccination programme is nearing completion in a producer country, such as Britain, under normal circumstances, assistance would be provided to a friend in greatest need – such as Portugal. WHO interference with this natural process is counterproductive.
Not really. It looks as though billions of doses have been ordered and paid for through the COVAX AMC international fund by developed nations, many of whom have vaccine producing companies in those countries. What the WHO is saying is that the delivery isn’t getting through in quantity as those developed nations are taking their deliveries first. The WHO is asking for those developed nations to pause their domestic deliveries until larger quantities of the COVAX orders can be sent out and implemented in other countries.
Quite probably, some of those govts will sell the vaccines to the highest bidder…..
The repeated assertion, “clearly morally the right thing to do” is absurd.
Take the vaccine from person A and give it to person B. Not withstanding the economic position of either is unjust to person A. The simple experiment is to swap who holds the vaccine and production. Would UN WHO, cry it is inequitable and immoral?
Each nation must help its citizens first and for most as a family. Then afford assistance to its global neighbours.
Again, not. This is vaccine that has been ordered and paid for by the international fund but is being blocked by some countries insisting that their orders must be fulfilled completely before anybody else’s. It is entirely possible that, WHO’s comments notwithstanding, most companies can fulfil domestic orders alongside the international orders with only a small slowdown in delivery – certainly AZ seem to be confident in doing so. Chances are that a countries rollout of the vaccine is going to be slower than the deliveries are received anyway so many countries may not have any problems with their vaccine programs.
Richard, in what way is it “entirely possible that… most companies can fulfil domestic orders alongside the international order with only a small slow down in delivery”?
Many countries are experiencing problems with vaccinating once they have the vaccine. In Scotland, for example, half of the vaccines they’ve received to date are still in cold storage – they are receiving about twice as much vaccine doses as they are able to use. It’s all very well wanting as much product as you can get as fast as you can so you know how much you have to give out but It’s entirely another matter if half of that product sits around doing nothing when it could have been sent to another country that’s crying out to begin it’s rollout.
From an article in June last year.
“AstraZeneca has started to mass-produce the experimental AZD1222 jab, developed by Oxford University, at factories in India, Oxford, Switzerland and Norway.”
I guess the November update of the article added the fourth country, but it does show the six month timescale it took to get the original factories up to full volume production. It also shows the plan for wide distribution which interference from WHO is only likely to inhibit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391769/AstraZeneca-manufacturing-Covid-vaccine-three-countries.html
The fact remains that the EU tantrum has succeeded in diverting supplies from somewhere else into the EU. Rewarding such behaviour just stores up problems in the future.
AZ appear to have been on the ball, indeed, even ahead of the game. Not only are they setting up factories in various countries to increase production but they started the rollout of vaccines to the COVAX AMC weeks ago. The comment on a previous topic when an EU supporter mistakenly accused the UK of selling the vaccine on because an EU official had seen vaccine shipments with international addresses on was obviously part of the WHO effort even back then. AZ appear to be in a strong enough position to deliver to the EU and UK as well as to WHO. The latest information appears to be that 4 million doses of the AZ vaccine will be sent from the UK to the EU to boost their programme until the Belgian factory can get up to full speed.
Hope the paperwork is ok, otherwise France won’t let it in (not a joke!)
Please tell me again: what exactly was the reason newly-minted President Biden decided it was in the best interests of the USA to again become a member of WHO?
And also remind me exactly how many member nations of WHO can be classified as being “friendly” toward the US independent of money being given to them?
It was actually President Trump that contributed M$701 to the WHO international COVAX AMC effort to provide vaccines to poorer nations. President Biden is in a position now to take all the credit but has done bugger all so far.
There are alternate treatment available if you are short of the vaccine:
You will not find this info in the MSM especially the corrupt CNN. These studies show the success of Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin:
https://hcqmeta.com/
https://c19study.com/
https://hcqtrial.com/
This report shows the deadly results of the media anti-Trump campaign as well as the errors of Dr. Fauci and the Democrats:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/440000-americans-dead-facebook-american-journal-medicine-admit-stand-hcq-wrong-people-prosecuted/?ff_source=Email&ff_medium=the-gateway-pundit&ff_campaign=dailypm&ff_content=daily
Because of his long involvement in trying to get vaccines accepted, as soon as Fauci saw the potential cures from zinc/zinc ionophore/antibiotic – most notably the zinc ionophore Hydroxychloroquine; he had to rubbish them as if there is an available working therapeutic it is not possible for the FDA to give Emergency Use Approval to a vaccine. This position was held until the vaccines were being distributed and only now will the medical establishment admit that therapeutic cures work.
From https://worlddoctorsalliance.com/blog/circus-corona-12/
So now you also know the reason that none of the talking heads recommending lockdowns have said anything about being sufficient in vitamin D and zinc.
It is all venal reasoning that doctors who treat real patients find difficult to accept
How about each country tax it’s own people and provide services based upon those taxes to it’s own people? You know, “government for the people by the people” kind of stuff? It is immoral for any government to allow its own population to suffer in order to transfer wealth to other persons or nations. Once there is an abundance of supply, THEN we can start helping the poorer nations.
The wealth has already been transferred – the vaccine was ordered and paid for last year with money donated, but so far little has actually been delivered. Both can happen at the same time as many countries are getting more supplied than they can actually use in the time allotted. Scotland, for example, has about half their vaccines in cold storage; they seem to be receiving vaccines almost twice as fast as they can roll them out to their citizens.
Some general info including the approval of Ivermectin:
The Hydroxchloroquine + + battle has been sidelined by the much more effective Ivermectin. Unfortunately many hospitals are still not adopting its use. Here is the list of papers and studies:
https://c19ivermectin.com/
The National Institute of Health (NIH) has been considering IVM for months, and here is their latest concession:
NIH (National Institutes of Health) Revises Treatment Guidelines for Ivermectin for the Treatment of COVID-19
Ivermectin is Now a Treatment Option for Health Care Providers!Jan 14, 2021 – One week after Dr. Paul Marik and Dr. Pierre Kory – founding members of the Front Line Covid-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC) – along with Dr. Andrew Hill, researcher and consultant to the World Health Organization (WHO), presented their data before the NIH Treatment Guidelines Panel, the NIH has upgraded their recommendation and now considers Ivermectin an option for use in COVID-19.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
At that site they have their I-Mask + protocol they use for Covid-19:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/i-mask-prophylaxis-treatment-protocol/
Video on the NIH decision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R7IBAnFLV4
Here is the Senate presentation by Dr Kory from almost two months ago:
https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2020/12/10/922677-senate-testimony-dr-pierre-kory-ivermectin-miracle-drug-to-treat.html
Recent article which said: Further supporting his claims, Marik said one of his colleagues in Houston, Texas, has been prescribing Ivermectin since March 2020 when the initial studies came out and his hospital has the lowest mortality of any hospital in the entire world.
https://www.hpj.com/ag_news/could-ivermectin-be-an-answer-to-both-parasites-and-pandemics/article_0b578c96-5529-11eb-b6bc-f78e273cbf37.html
January 7th:
https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus/front-line-covid-19-critical-care-alliance-flccc-invited-to-the-national-institutes-of-health-nih-covid-19-treatment-guidelines-panel-to-present-latest-data-on-ivermectin?fbclid=IwAR0icUqEYLcnw-vvn0WCjtUCR6wFOh2Z_ox7jBqsU0hUgrG_godJrQ53glU
WHO did a detailed analysis:
https://swprs.org/who-preliminary-review-confirms-ivermectin-effectiveness/
The blogs are hot and heavy on IVM, a typical site:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vbj6KGeh6Y
Older information:
https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/australia-ivermectin-coronavirus-covid/2020/08/08/id/981220/
https://prwire.com.au/print/gps-start-prescribing-low-dose-ivermectin-triple-therapy-for-covid-19
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/national/susan-jones/physician-tells-senate-ivermectin-covid-wonder-drug-if-you-take-it-you
They are already dying like flies . !2 million died of communicable diseases in the third world last year. As for the vaccine is does nothing- https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-guide-for-healthcare-workers/covid-19-vaccination-guide-for-healthcare-workers
and is pure evil – https://jamesfetzer.org/2021/01/former-pfizer-vp-no-need-for-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over/#comments
12 million
Climate change is being used for the same thing, to slow us down (contraction) so other nations can catch up (convergence)