British Anti-lockdown activist Debbie Hicks being Arrested for the Crime of Journalism (source The Sun)

Covid-1984? British Anti-Lockdown Activist Arrested for Filming Empty Hospital Wards

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

As the British National Health Service screams about the intense stress of dealing with rising Covid-19 hospital admissions, a strange story has emerged of an anti-lockdown activist being arrested for the crime of publishing a video of an empty NHS hospital.

Anti-lockdown activist who walked into hospital and filmed ’empty’ wards is handcuffed in her dressing gown and arrested by police who turned up at her door

  • Debbie Hicks filmed herself wandering around Gloucester Hospital on Monday 
  • She was arrested by police on Tuesday for an alleged public order offence
  • Hospital deny her claims that wards are empty and pandemic is a ‘massive scam’ 
  • Ms Hicks was a Labour council candidate  who said the 2017 Manchester terror attack was ‘wonderful timing for Theresa May’ 
  • She was charged under coronavirus act at an anti-lockdown event last month 

By MARTIN ROBINSON, CHIEF REPORTER FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 01:24 AEDT, 1 January 2021 | UPDATED: 17:41 AEDT, 1 January 2021

An anti-lockdown protester and comrade of Jeremy Corbyn’s anti-vaxxer brother Piers has been arrested for filming inside a hospital and sharing footage on social media she claims shows the coronavirus pandemic is a ‘massive scam’. 

Debbie Hicks wandered around Gloucester Royal Hospital on Monday saying it was ‘shut down’ and ‘dead’ and was arrested in her dressing gown by two officers who visited her home in Stroud 24 hours later.

In the eight-minute film, viewed by 158,000 people on Facebook, she says: ‘We’ve been put in Tier 3, for this? It’s a disgrace. I’ve seen less than 20 people. It’s completely dead in an empty hospital with wards shut down and the lights off.

‘Where are all the people dying and where is the mutant virus? I can’t see the evidence and neither can the public watching. We’ve been robbed of Christmas for this’.

Gloucester Royal Hospital has hit back and insisted the wards are ‘extremely busy’ and accused her of ‘intrusion’ and upsetting patients filmed waiting in A&E. One doctor told MailOnline she had filmed a deserted outpatient area on a bank holiday Monday, hence why it was empty.

She is an active supporter of Piers Corbyn and his ‘Freedom Rally’ movement, attending protests in London with him and posing for a selfie on the Tube using a party hat as a mask.

Mr Corbyn tweeted the video of her arrest today with the caption: ‘Fascism’. 

Read more (includes video): https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9101999/Anti-lockdown-activist-46-arrested-secret-hospital-footage.html

Piers Corbyn, cited as the leader of the movement, is a high profile British climate skeptic, and a radical left wing activist who led squatters rights protests in the 1970s. Corbyn is the brother of far left former British national opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Piers Corbyn appeared in climategate email 0837094033.txt, in which former CRU Director Phil Jones described Corbyn as Britain’s equivalent to Fred Singer, Pat Michaels, Bob Balling or Richard Lindzen.

Corbyn also now appears to also be a leader of Britain’s anti-lockdown movement.

I’m not disputing that there likely is substantial stress on the NHS. But what a strangely heavy handed response to the activities of a citizen journalist, even if she did break a few rules. Instead of aggravating tensions by responding with force, the Gloucester Royal Hospital could have attempted to de-escalate the situation, say by inviting Debbie Hicks in for an official visit, so she could get a more complete picture on what was happening.

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Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2021 10:03 pm

Coming to America in ~3 weeks.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
January 1, 2021 10:16 pm

In many places, its already here! The NYC Javits Convention Center, turned into a massive makeshift Hospital, never filled its beds, and they sent away the Hospital ship that President Trump delivered to NY Harbor.

BTW: Piers is an erudite Climate Realist – the Brits are lucky to have someone of his caliber speaking truth to their citizens!!!

Hotscot
Reply to  tomwys
January 2, 2021 2:26 am

Both Corbyns are far left reactionary’s. The only reason any sane person has for tolerating Piers are his views on climate change. Personally, I’d rather he kept his mouth shut on the subject. The last time I looked his website has the appearance of a mental health victims attempts at crayon art. He loves to give the impression of the eccentric intellectual but, in common with his brother, he’s just a badly dressed old fool who appears to have personal hygiene issues.

Scissor
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 6:34 am

I’d like to meet their hair stylist.

Walter Horsting
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 7:37 am

Agreed on his horrific website design…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Hotscot
January 3, 2021 11:41 am

Both Corbyns are far left reactionary’s.”

Minor correction: “Both Corbyns are far left reactionaries.”

🙂

Dennis G Sandberg
January 1, 2021 10:11 pm

Sounds like the hospital has Dominion software tracking admissions and discharges!

Bryan A
Reply to  Dennis G Sandberg
January 2, 2021 8:10 am

I like this part…

One doctor told MailOnline she had filmed a deserted outpatient area on a bank holiday Monday, hence why it was empty.

I guess Death takes all holidays

And apparently illness is also on holiday

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Bryan A
January 3, 2021 11:42 am

Should have been filled with sick bank employees, right?

walt
January 1, 2021 10:16 pm

Why is any part of a hospital in the UK shut down for a bank holiday?

fred250
Reply to  walt
January 1, 2021 10:20 pm

…… particularly with SO MANY Covid patients 😉

Matthew Sykes
Reply to  walt
January 2, 2021 12:05 am

It is a part of the hospital where previous patients come in for a check up or some such, an ‘put patient’ area. Most likely because many run of the mill procedures havent been done in the last year.

Also outpatient areas dont tend to have wards of beds, they dont hold patients over night, but have examining rooms where the patients progress in healing can be looked at.

M Courtney
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
January 2, 2021 2:27 am

That is exactly correct. These “wards” were empty because they were for day patients. Routine surgery has been cancelled because they cannot be staffed with the pressure from Covid – and it’s a Bank Holiday.
She lied about the empty wards. There is no free speech defence for deliberate deceit.
She was encouraging people to take a risk unnecessarily. It’s like saying “There’s no fire, just wait here” while the floor above is an inferno.

Wade
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 5:19 am

There is no free speech defence for deliberate deceit.

Better tell the media then. They have been lying to us for a very long time. It is so bad now that I am surprised when they tell the truth.

Derg
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 5:34 am

“ above is an inferno.”

Hyperbole indeed 😉

max
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 5:40 am

So what do you see in the video? Rooms with beds, or exam rooms with a table and some chairs? They would look different in the States, not sure how they look in the UK.

BobM
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 6:09 am

“There is no free speech defence for deliberate deceit.”

Really? What do you call “Ocean Acidification”? Is that not a lie for deliberate deceit?

M Courtney
Reply to  BobM
January 2, 2021 6:27 am

I’m not defending that. I am a sceptic. But I’m not a liar.

Ferd III
Reply to  M Courtney
January 3, 2021 4:16 am

What nonsense. Did you bother to look at the video? These empty wards included surgery, LT care. They are empty. The Fake News and CVidiots like yourself are crying that the NHS is overwhelmed. No evidence to support that exists. None. She is one of many btw that have taken videos of empty hospitals. So your thesis is that they just wander into empty-areas, which are empty for a reason….all the while you bleat that the NHS is overwhelmed. It isn’t.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  walt
January 2, 2021 12:33 am

These are the “Nightingale” hospitals that 200 million+ of pounds were spent and they, apparently, lay empty!

Hotscot
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 2:44 am

“…..and they, apparently, lay empty!” Thankfully.

The first lockdown and Nightingale hospitals were a small price to pay until someone could figure out what was going on.

Subsequent interventions are unnecessary and seem to be doing more harm than good.

The villain in all this is Ferguson. A man with a history of wild exaggerations based on computer modelling. Our cognitively dissonant government runs him a close second though. They are now well aware of his track record, and the success of Sweden, by virtually ignoring the virus, and yet continue on the path of societal self harm.

JohnC
Reply to  walt
January 2, 2021 12:35 am

Outpatients are areas where people come in for checks on fractures, wounds and regular blood tests. They can also operate as day case units such as chemotherapy, surgical procedures or similar.
The main wards also try and reduce the number of inpatients over the holiday period by discharging as many as possible and as safe as possible.
Then on Christmas Eve or a couple of days earlier there will be an increase in ED attendances of elderly people, usually brought in by relatives, with breathing problems and need to be kept in hospital; this is rather cynically referred to as granny dumping, so the family can have a good Christmas without having to look after granny. Especially when you consider that the elderly relative has been short of breath for months due to heart failure.
I used to work in the ED and we saw this every year.

Bill Parsons
Reply to  JohnC
January 2, 2021 3:18 pm

I have questions about how many is too many.

How many total beds did your hospital have?
What did your administration consider the hospital’s “capacity” to be?
What did “full” mean?

Hospitals seem to have been laying off just enough employees over the years to remain profitable.

They must designate their “capacity” as the number of beds they can staff… or some algorithm thereof.

The trend of layoffs which began long before Covid now leaves some of the behemoths of the medical industry (with half their lights on) claiming to be “at capacity” or even “overwhelmed”.

In Colorado, water being the valuable comodity that it is, “capacity” of our reservoirs is variously defined to please the vested interests, but none of those definitions is the same as “full” – the level at which they have to start letting water out over the spillways. Bear with me.

NPR has posted an interesting resource last week which employs data from the CDCs “Covid Hospitalization Tracking Project”. It claims to show “…detailed hospital-level data of… how many inpatient and ICU beds are available on a weekly basis…” and how many are filled with Covid-19 patients. What I found were county-level data, that is, the portion of Covid patients to total beds in each hospital, averaged over the county. The implied “stress level” of each is given.

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project

Federal Data Reveal Which Hospitals Are Dangerously Full This Week. Is Yours?

An interview of “hospital capacity experts” accompanies the database which explains what constitutes a hospital “at stress level” and one which is “overwhelmed”.

Though there’s not a clear threshold, it’s concerning when that rate rises above 10%, hospital capacity experts told NPR.

Anything above 20% represents “extreme stress” for the hospital, according to a framework developed by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

If that figure gets to near 50% or above, the stress on staff is immense. “It means the hospital is overloaded. It means other services in that hospital are being delayed. The hospital becomes a nightmare,” IHME’s Ali Mokdad told NPR.

So… by this expert’s definition, how many counties in the U.S. have hospitals which are “stressed” and how many have hospitals that are “overloaded”?

The database shows us: Out of 2,425 counties represented, about half (1,191) have 10 % or fewer of their beds occupied by Covid patients. 609 counties (one out of ten) have beds 10 – 19% full. These counties are “concerning”. 592 counties have beds 20% – 49% capacity. They are “stressed”. And 35 counties have more than 50% of their hospital beds with Covid patients in them.

That means that about 1.4 % of America’s counties have hospital systems that are “overwhelmed” by covid. According to the “capacity experts”.

The Covid Tracker project is up-to-date for the hospitals it follows. There are 6,146 hospitals in the U.S.

JP Guthrie
Reply to  Bill Parsons
January 2, 2021 4:52 pm

If you have ever been to an American hospital in a metropolitan area, these are more or less always at 100% capacity. I used to be a traffic homicide investigator, and visited these hospitals several time each week. Patients would often wait in the lobbies 24 hours waiting for a bed to become available, some never got a bed.

When I look at the current occupancy rates in major hospitals, they seem no different from pre-COVID times.

TonyG
Reply to  Bill Parsons
January 3, 2021 8:46 am

“or some algorithm thereof.”
I don’t have any links, but I’ve read more than one report that CA is counting every Covid patient as 1.5 for capacity determinations.

SMagee
Reply to  walt
January 2, 2021 3:58 am

Its such a lame excuse. How can anyone take that as a serious excuse?

Lil-Mike
Reply to  walt
January 2, 2021 10:20 am

The “out patient” areas are for non-emergency treatment, such as colonoscopy. You need to go to a full service hospital for a colonoscopy because the exam might turn into surgery and a transfer to a full care area.

Out patient care is not 24/7 service, but is pre-planned treatment where you expected to go home afterwards.

Jim Clarke
January 1, 2021 10:26 pm

If they want us to believe them, they should stop acting like they are hiding something.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Jim Clarke
January 1, 2021 10:41 pm

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

mikebartnz
January 1, 2021 11:03 pm

Just arresting someone for what she did reminds me too much of the Third Reich. Has the Fourth Reich started?
I keep hearing how well NZ has handled it but that can change very quickly when the summer finishes.
As an aside my face has been peeling way more than usual and more like it did in the early seventies.
In 1978 I travelled through California and expected to have problems with sunburn but basically never had a problem. NZ sunshine is way more intense.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  mikebartnz
January 2, 2021 1:01 am

Surely you can understand that having an unknown wandering around a hospital is not safe for the patients? If she was actually in covid wards then she could spread the disease to non covid areas. This is not safe!

Notanacademic
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 2:01 am

If on the other hand she was right and the hospital was indeed empty then it was safe.

Hotscot
Reply to  Notanacademic
January 2, 2021 2:54 am

If she was in the Outpatients department, which are routinely closed on holidays, she is yet another dishonest far left reactionary.

In common with most in the UK, no one can get into our local hospital without a pre booked appointment and a password.

I would be interested to understand this hospitals security measures and how she managed to get in.

I was confined to hospital for much of September/October (not Covid related) and can assure people that the place was a fully functioning, busy place.

Notanacademic
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 3:31 am

If she is telling the truth the hospital will never admit it,if she is lieing she will likely never admit it and we will never know and will be left to decide for ourselves but like you I’ve never been to a quiet hospital. Hope you are fully recovered and feeling well.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 3:49 am

living near this hospital – i have seen the area she walked, it is a public area – no out patients on BH. A&E had people waiting and she destroyed these peoples privacy. the areas shown were not wards and certainly not covid wards – these all have entrance locks. Shops on BH are usually shut – but there are others in areas she did not film – were these open for patients use? Her remark about cleaning of the back of ambulances just shows her stupidity. If the last occupant had bled on the floor, or thrown up, or sprayed covid around the I would hope the ambulances are cleaned

She is just another Karen.

Drake
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 10:05 am

And you, as a typical leftist, are a racist bigot, clearly shown as such by your use of the bigoted racist term “Karen” in describing this person.

Personal attacks are bad, but they are the currency of leftists in defending their policies.

BTW: My comments ARE NOT a personal attack on you since you defined yourself with your racist bigoted comment. I am just bringing it to your attention since liberals, in general, cannot see themselves for what they are.

nyolci
Reply to  Drake
January 2, 2021 11:52 am

And you, as a typical leftist, are a racist bigot

This is an eminent example of extremely confused thinking.
BTW: my comments ARE a personal attack ‘cos, well, truth hurts.

andy in epsom
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 4:35 am

You should come to my local hospital. Part of it is now a marks and spencers food hall with a door straight through to the wards which is never guarded or secure.

Last edited 5 months ago by andy in epsom
nyolci
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 12:14 pm

she is yet another dishonest far left reactionary.

So many problems with a short sentence… She is neither dishonest nor left. She is likely honestly stupid and this is not leftism by any stretch of the word, regardless of Piers Corbyn. He is anything but a typical leftish. You know, the Left does respect science unlike P. Corbyn and this woman. They are much like the anti lockdown right wing protesters of the US. Your implicit assumption that “far left” is (always or often) dishonest is of course false. Furthermore, “far left reactionary” is like “vegan flavored beef”. A “reactionary” is a right winger who wants to put back people into subjugation turning back any social advance advocated by the Left. Reaction to the action of the Left. You may have confused it with “far left revolutionary”.
BTW your confusion about the Left is exemplified with your views about Jeremy Corbyn expressed elsewhere. He is not far left, he is a fairly typical social democrat of the old post war Western European kind.

Ferd III
Reply to  nyolci
January 3, 2021 4:19 am

In other words Corbyn is a Jihad-supporting Communist. Thanks for playing.

Derg
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 2:06 am

If she wore her mask then she would be safe 😜

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Derg
January 2, 2021 3:39 am

And used hand sanitiser…

Doug Huffman
Reply to  Derg
January 2, 2021 4:07 am

Or carried a gun. Oh, wait… Do HRH subjects have to vaccinate with dull syringes and do surgery with pointless butter knives. CoViD-1984 PLANdemic

Patrick MJD
Reply to  mikebartnz
January 2, 2021 3:38 am

“mikebartnz

NZ sunshine is way more intense.”

Ha ha ha ha, funny – NOT! Nope! It’s exactly the same amount of sunshine the whole world receives at those latitudes. The difference is the cleanliness of the air. Pencarrow Head at the port of Wellington, NZ has the second cleanest air measured on this rock.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 3:46 am

So what’s wrong with saying it’s more intense?
As for the cleanest air. Get a grip as there would be plenty of places with the same or cleaner air within the world.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  mikebartnz
January 2, 2021 6:15 am

“mikebartnz

Reply to 
Patrick MJD
 January 2, 2021 3:46 am

So what’s wrong with saying it’s more intense?”

Because it isn’t!

mikebartnz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 9:11 pm

I think you are a little confused. If it is getting filtered before it hits me standing on the ground, it is more intense when it isn’t and you did say Pencarrow Head has the second cleanest air on this rock.

Peter Fraser
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 12:16 pm

Much of my life has been spent in many countries worldwide working offshore. The sunlight in NZ is the most intense for sunburn that I have experienced by a considerable margin hence our very high incidence of skin cancer. Maybe the ozone hole. Definitely a topic deserving further research.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Peter Fraser
January 3, 2021 12:25 am

What I find interesting is that the sunburn I have got lately would be similar to what I used to get in about the seventies. It is quite pronounced and something I haven’t suffered for many years.

Chris
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 3:01 pm

Actually it is the hole in the ozone layer. As in southern Victoria, the sun really “bites”.
( which is a natural and seasonal occurrence)

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Chris
January 2, 2021 3:59 pm

I lived in NZ for 10 years.

mikebartnz
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 3, 2021 12:16 am

Whippy doo.

Herbert
January 1, 2021 11:10 pm

“The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one’s time defending scoundrels.
For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.”- H.L.Mencken.
As it appears to be unlawful to photograph or video in an English Hospital without relevant permission,one hopes that the magistrate dealing with Ms.Hicks’ case applies commonsense.
The reason for the prohibition seems to be to protect the privacy of nurses,
doctors and patients.
Here, apparently none of these were in sight!

P Walker
January 1, 2021 11:10 pm

What on Earth has happened to the UK? When I was a child it was considered a bastion of freedom. Fellow Americans take heed!

gringojay
Reply to  P Walker
January 1, 2021 11:57 pm

In 2020 I obtained a legitimate way to act like a child again.

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jim hogg
Reply to  P Walker
January 2, 2021 8:14 am

She was also wandering about inside a hospital without a mask, which is simply reckless or stupid in my view (as masks do help to stop the spread by means of droplets – and please don’t come back at me with anti-masker rubbish as there are numerous studies supporting the usefulness of masks, though common sense alone should be enough to persuade anyone of their value – and common sense works: eg you don’t build a dyke from the top down, or build a table by burning down trees. The value of masks is clearly obvious imv.).

Yes, the arrest might be a bit heavy handed, though we don’t know all the details as yet. Nevertheless there’s no reason to doubt that she had found her way to the outpatients dept which was closed for the day. Her whole venture was of course predicated on the ridiculous view that Covid 19 is a hoax. Those who are still of that view, despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary, have had their perceptual and conceptual gear hijacked by their biases/predispositions, and have failed to develop or maintain a profound commitment to accuracy as an irreducible primary.

As for someone referring to her as another dishonest leftist, it surely shouldn’t need saying that dishonesty isn’t confined to any particular part of the ideological spectrum.Humans lie. They are also frequently mistaken, misguided, and irrational, and also, as someone on here long ago once said, they are also “belief machines”, a euphemistic equivalent of “gullible”, which means they/we often repeat the lies, mistakes and distortions of others, esp when they suit our own particular mindset. My own personal experience is that those on the extreme right are the least concerned with truth/accuracy (Johnson, Trump and their disappointingly numerous enablers being good examples), and just as much creatures of their prejudices as those on the other end of the ideo spectrum, possibly because they are more inclined to subscribe to the notion that there’s merit in the law of the jungle, the mantra that survival of the fittest is deserved.. But the truth is that there are liars/dishonesty in all walks of life, at all points of the values scale, and that we are all vulnerable to bias/prejudice colouration of all that we see and think. The easiest people to fool are ourselves. Identifying and eliminating those particular viruses of the mind is extremely difficult. I don’t think we work hard enough at it. If we did there would be a lot less nonsense spouted in both science and politics.

And yes, I’m still a global warming sceptic: a real one, I hope, though I sometimes wonder if I might just be a contrarian, something else (another bias perhaps) we should all look out for in ourselves. There aren’t many real sceptics left I suspect, and very few on here that I’ve read over the last few years. My scepticism may not be justified in the light of all the knowledge that we possess, but my best judgement of the “information” I’ve encountered is that we don’t yet know/understand nearly enough to support a judgement of “beyond reasonable doubt”, either way, so in my view those who are certain AGW is a hoax are hardly different from the Covid hoaxers, or who believe that it is simply wrong are being led more by their prejudices than the science, such as it is. Natural variation may still be the reality of what’s happening, though even if we could show incontrovertibly that there have been warmer periods during this interglacial, that in itself wouldn’t disprove the CO2 argument. Disproving the CO2 thesis is impossible at the moment. Time may or may not tell either way.

Sadly, I see the personal abuse of those who express opposing arguments continues, damaging the credibility of the site and commenters. The prevalence of nonsensical positions on the virus also hurts the site’s credibility. Those who post insupportable views on the virus damage their own credibility on AGW. Unfortunately they won’t see themselves in such a mirror/light. Their biases/prejudices won’t allow it. Until they humbly prioritise accuracy, a truly demanding value.

MarkG
Reply to  jim hogg
January 2, 2021 9:51 am

“there are numerous studies supporting the usefulness of masks”

Cite them.

The most recent studies I’ve seen showed that the kind of masks most people are using are useless at preventing them from infection and likely spread the virus better than if they weren’t wearing masks. And that areas with mask mandates have more ‘cases’ than areas which don’t.

Unless you plan to give people half a dozen N95 masks every day so they can replace them every couple of hours, masking is pure virus-theatre.

TonyG
Reply to  MarkG
January 2, 2021 10:29 am

I was particularly struck by this: “and please don’t come back at me with anti-masker rubbish as there are numerous studies supporting the usefulness of masks, though common sense alone should be enough to persuade anyone of their value” – indicates a person completely closed to any rational discussion.

Not a whole lot different from “and please don’t come back at me with denier rubbish as there are numerous studies supporting AGW, thought common sense alone should be enough to persuade anyone of the unprecedented recent warming”

You can’t reason with someone who chooses to not employ reason.

mikebartnz
Reply to  TonyG
January 2, 2021 9:25 pm

Not only that but you can’t see a virus whereas I have often used masks being a painter and they didn’t even stop dust which you can see. The best thing I have found is a head stocking.
The way most people use masks I believe makes them worse than useless.
A surgeon never touches his mask while operating but people will use the same mask time and time again and some people that have worn masks for long periods have ended up with major troubles.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkG
January 3, 2021 11:59 am

The most recent studies I’ve seen showed that the kind of masks most people are using are useless at preventing them from infection and likely spread the virus better than if they weren’t wearing masks. And that areas with mask mandates have more ‘cases’ than areas which don’t.”

Exactly, MarkG. It’s the type of mask that matters, and how you wear it.

I see a LOT of people working in restaurants who have their noses exposed, large gaps all around the mask, constantly touching the mask with their gloved fingers, then handling food and clean dishes/utensils.

No, only very specific masks are mostly effective. Others only serve to allow forced smaller particles to spread even farther. These particles can then likely be inhaled right through another plain old cloth mask.

Drake
Reply to  jim hogg
January 2, 2021 10:49 am

If you are not sick, the mask does NOTHING to protect OTHERS. That is the fraud of all of this crap. If you are sick, i.e. have symptoms, STAY HOME, if not, go about your life.

Please link to any published peer reviewed studies showing that asymptomatic covid positive people spread the virus. It has been plenty long enough for those studies to have been completed and published, see the anti hydroxychloroquine studies that were produced, reviewed and published in record time, and were, of course, false.

This is all overblown. Are people dying, yes. Are the mask wearing and lockdowns effective, NO. Simple facts.

In Las Vegas, NV for many years the government would not allow the construction of new hospitals. We had 2 primary hospitals that used their political clout to allow for their expansion without allowing new competitors. Finally the logjam broke and now there are multiple choices for hospitals. The expansion was meant to allow 15% excess hospital beds for unforeseen circumstances or emergencies. Recently the news, in support of OUR Democrat governor’s lockdown mandates, stated the hospitals were filling up. A few days later the local somewhat moderate newspaper provided the numbers, hospitals at 85% capacity. THE DESIGN CAPACITY for normal times. No emergency at all, no need for the added lockdowns, even if they worked.

As to the arrest: People can riot, vandalize, and even attack police and not be arrested, and if arrested, be released with the charges dropped. Real harm done, no consequences. Here, contrary to your view, NO HARM WAS DONE to anything but the “powers that be”. They WILL NOT allow their power and CONTROL to be sabotaged, and those that attempt to do so will be dealt with in the harshest manner possible. If the hospitals are so full, invite reporters, not the BBC or Guardian but real reporters, to view ALL areas of ALL hospitals throughout the Kingdom, filmed with suitable obscuring of faces, and thus prove it. I don’t believe it, although after 70+ years of a national health system, I would assume that the UK does not have enough facilities or personnel to provide for any widespread emergency.

Next step. totalitarian control and dictatorship. Of course, you being a Royal subject, not that far to go, just revoke the Magna Carte, etc. disband the Parliament and return to a true Monarchy, and all is well. You can be ruled by the descendants of the last murderer to take the throne.

Steven F
Reply to  Drake
January 2, 2021 6:22 pm

There are doctors working every day in the ICUs fully ofCovid 19 patients. Only a small fraction of them have died since the start of the pandemic. That is more than enough evidence to say the properly applied PPE does dramatically reduce the risk of getting infected.

More Than 900 U.S. Medical Staff Have Died Fighting COVID …www.jems.com › Coronavirus

TonyG
Reply to  Steven F
January 3, 2021 8:55 am

“Properly applied PPE” – Along with standard hospital hygiene practices.

How many of the general public have that PPE, use it properly, and practice hospital-level hygiene?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  TonyG
January 3, 2021 12:01 pm

I would say near zero have the proper masks. And less than zero wear those improper masks properly.

John Endicott
Reply to  Steven F
January 7, 2021 4:24 am

The problem, Steven F, as others have already pointed out numerous times every time the subject comes up is the most people don’t have “proper PPE” let alone “properly apply” it.

I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been to a store where I’ve seen others (customers and workers) wearing their masks *below* their noses, constantly touching their masks in order to readjust them, etc. All actions that are not the proper application of PPE. At all that before we even get to whether or not the “mask” they are “wearing” is even proper PPE (studies show that some types of masks, such as the popular “neck gaiter” are actually do more harm than good as far as the spread of droplets is concerned.)

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MarkG
Reply to  P Walker
January 2, 2021 10:12 am

You must be very old. It stopped being a bastion of freedom about a hundred years ago, as the bloated bureaucracy created to fight WWI looked around for a reason to continue existing after the war.

nyolci
Reply to  P Walker
January 2, 2021 11:55 am

When I was a child it was considered a bastion of freedom.

The actions of this woman have nothing to do with freedom. In the mildest interpretation (mildest for her) her actions were a display of plain stupidity.

TonyG
Reply to  nyolci
January 2, 2021 3:15 pm

It’s not her actions people are complaining about.

nyolci
Reply to  TonyG
January 3, 2021 3:19 am

It’s not her actions people are complaining about.

??? Who the hell claimed they had been complaining about her?

TonyG
Reply to  nyolci
January 3, 2021 9:00 am

You said:
“The actions of this woman have nothing to do with freedom.”

The complaints here regarding freedom are about the overzealous response.

Reply to  P Walker
January 3, 2021 4:38 pm

It was considered a bastion of freedom – but only by people who didn’t understand Jewish and Masonic power.

Alexy Scherbakoff
January 1, 2021 11:17 pm

Alleged pandemic and the outpatient’s area is closed for a bank holiday? WTF.

RobH
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
January 1, 2021 11:54 pm

Outpatients. Most outpatient appointments are handled by phone or video to keep visits to a minimum in view of the problem of infected hospitals.

Matthew Sykes
January 2, 2021 12:03 am

Apparently it is illegal to film in side a hospital without permission. But I agree, it is ridiculous that the police should act on this when so much violent crime and burglary is ignored.

Klem
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
January 2, 2021 1:12 am

I’m surprised they didn’t arrive with a fully armed SWAT team. She is clearly a threat to national security.

Steve Swales
Reply to  Matthew Sykes
January 2, 2021 1:43 am

She wasn’t charged with a specific offence related to photography. The police used the Public Order Act. “Following a number of reports in relation to a video filmed by a member of the public at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital and posted online, officers arrested a 46-year-old woman yesterday on suspicion of a public order offence,” Gloucestershire Police said in a statement”. The implication is that, despite there being no evidence that her activities caused “Harassment, Alarm or Distress” the police were instructed to arrest her at her house the following day. The evidence for this is so weak that I’ll be amazed if the case comes before a magistrate, making it even more obvious that they were simply attempting to put the “frighteners on her”.

Hotscot
Reply to  Steve Swales
January 2, 2021 3:06 am

I entirely agree the Police reaction to this were heavy handed and unnecessary, she could have been charged with the offence in her house, or on her doorstep assuming she refused privacy. It’s not like she’s s flight risk or has a history of violence.

She is, however, a left wing agitator and by all accounts, utterly dishonest in her representation of a routinely closed Outpatients department as typical of the entire hospital.

She knew fine well what she was doing, dishonestly attempting to undermine a right wing government.

MarkG
Reply to  Hotscot
January 2, 2021 10:15 am

You actually think the ‘ban all petrol cars by 2030, eliminate fossil fuels by 2050’ Tories are right wing?

Bill Parsons
January 2, 2021 12:14 am

Most hospitals in u.s. are not short of beds. They are understaffed because they are underfunded. The large majority of nonelderly U.S. households relied on employer-sponsored insurance (ESI) to pay for health care, so layoffs due to shutdowns have destoyed our health coverage… making a hospital visit scarier to a patient than Covid, and making uninsured patients scarier to hospitals than empty beds.

Google “Hospitals file for bankruptcies”  

Without insurance, unemployed have (likely) fallen back on Medicaid. Medicaid reimburses hospitals at a fraction of the rate that private insurance did. This might explain why so many hospitals are claiming Covid as a primary disease upon admission – because it is being funded under CARES.

Health Insurance and the Covid-19 Shock

<blockquote>…historically large layoffs led to 5.6 million workers losing coverage each month (starting in February). This rate of lost coverage—over 3 million workers—dwarfs a similar calculation for the number of workers losing coverage each month during the biggest job-losing period of the Great Recession (September 2008–March 2009).</blockquote>

https://www.epi.org/publication/health-insurance-and-the-covid-19-shock/

Mariano Marini
Reply to  Bill Parsons
January 2, 2021 1:02 am

BTW: In Italy WE MUST pay 27% of our incomes to National Health Care. How much do you pay?

Derg
Reply to  Mariano Marini
January 2, 2021 2:10 am

Wasn’t Italy the epicenter of European Covid?

Maybe you are not paying enough 😉

MarkG
Reply to  Derg
January 2, 2021 9:57 am

Italy was just the first country to be hit by imported virus from China. And it killed off lots of old people by putting them on ventilators.

mikebartnz
Reply to  MarkG
January 2, 2021 9:31 pm

Not only that but a lot weren’t killed off in the previous flu season so there was a bit of a catchup.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  Mariano Marini
January 2, 2021 5:56 am

Wow

Scissor
Reply to  Mariano Marini
January 2, 2021 7:34 am

That’s a difficult question because it is just one line item and is highly dependent on circumstances, one’s health, one’s job and employer, types of coverage selected, etc., etc.

That said, 27% sounds very high to me.

In my career in the U.S., I’ve always had good coverage through my employer and my total out of pocket expenses for health care have generally been less than about 5% of income. Fortunately, health of my family is good. The employer usually pays the bulk and for years direct employee costs have been rising.

Drake
Reply to  Mariano Marini
January 2, 2021 12:04 pm

Medicaid, for the poor, is a federal/state partnership and varies in cost to the taxpayers by state. Hard to say.

The US does not have a national healthcare system, although according to a SCOTUS ruling, if you show up at ANY emergency room you must be cared for. The uninsured expense is mostly picked up by the higher rates paid by the insured, and also by the local county. I.e., an illegal alien construction workers paid off the books falls off a roof and is taken to the emergency room and dropped off at the curb. The ratepayers and taxpayers pay for his care. The “employer” is subsidized by the taxpayer and those employed with health insurance.

So anecdotally, but factual, a Canadian citizen who was on a long waiting list to have bypass surgery due to insufficient resources in the Canadian national health system got tired of waiting and having to restrict his activities do to his clogged arteries, flies to Las Vegas, goes to a casino, and falls to the floor claiming chest pain. He is transported to the nearest hospital with a cath lab and undergoes emergency stent surgery due to the level of blockage. He is out in a day or two, and flies home to Canada all better. Of course the doctors, hospital, ambulance service, etc. saw very little of the expenses reimbursed.

Note that the level of blockage, unchanged from the tests in Canada, were bad enough to require immediate surgery in the US, while he sat, and I mean sat due to the inability to do anything strenuous, waiting for the procedure in Canada. This was not a one time occurrence for the cardio/vascular surgeon’s group. It was a regular occurrence.

A relative in Canada has severe deterioration of her hips and has been awaiting hip replacement surgery for 3 years. She is finally scheduled for surgery next month. It is actually surprising she is being allowed the surgery since she is 87, but having to suffer for more than 3 years, as a retired person who was gainfully employer her entire working age lifetime, is ridiculous.

Another true anecdotal occurrence in LV. Factual. A close relative was in an accident. An illegal alien turned left in front of him riding on a motorcycle causing sever injuries requiring hospitalization. He only had the required liability insurance and the illegal did not have ANY insurance so he ended up in the county hospital for care. The person in the next bed was a longtime intravenous drug user, a junkie. He was in his late 30s and had broken his hip by falling out of bed. The bone deterioration was so bad that they did a full hip replacement at taxpayer’s expense.

Not really pertinent but brilliant medical staff had put my relative’s morphine dispensing machine between the two beds and the junkie unhooked the feed from it while he was asleep to get extra drugs. We received a call in the middle of the night with him in severe pain, went to the hospital, saw what was happening, and got the drugs out of the junkies reach.

Sorry about the rambling response, but I am REALLY afraid of having a national health care system in the US. I have lived a healthy lifestyle. I have good private insurance for which I pay I will soon be on Medicare, which I paid for (about 2.5% of gross income for nearly 50 years while employed), and will keep my previous employee health insurance as a supplement so I can keep my current doctors. I have been a “giver” as in taxpayer, since I was 15 years old. I do not think I should be in line with the “takers” of society, those who have been on the government dole, in subsidized housing, etc. to get medical care. I have EARNED and pay for better care, and I deserve it. To many liberals that makes me greedy and self centered. They think they should be able decide who gets care and how much and when. And of course with the secrecy requirements of medical records the general population will never know when the connected get cuts to the front of the line, as we all know will happen. They do not have honor. Just look at the news of all the connected violating the protocols THEY put in place. And those are just the ones who have been caught.

leowaj
Reply to  Mariano Marini
January 2, 2021 12:54 pm

If I am extra generous on the cost deducted per paycheck: 2.8% per year.

mark leigh
January 2, 2021 12:17 am

Not exactly fake news, but certainly an overblown story to fit the anti-vac agenda

As pointed out in other posts

It is illegal to film inside a UK hospital without permission,. If I were a patient I would think that was a a jolly good idea

The hospital has released their occupancy figures – they are not empty by any means

Procedures are used to minimise extraneous outpatients, and to keep areas of hospitals Covid secure.

As the person involved is a known activist, a quick chat with the cops might have been in order…..

mark leigh
January 2, 2021 12:20 am

Why is WUWT posting this type of “news”’story?

This is the premier resource for climate information to counter the AGW message.

This type of “news” doesn’t help….IMO

Notanacademic
Reply to  mark leigh
January 2, 2021 2:27 am

If as many seem to believe the agw scam is just a tool for globalists to achieve their ultimate goal and if it is true that they are now using covid for the same objective then perhaps this story is relevant.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  mark leigh
January 2, 2021 4:20 am

Concerned? Try elsewhere.

Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 12:22 am

I saw this. Disgusting, along the lines of a pregnant woman here in Aus who posted anti-lockdown posts on Facebook. Here in New South Wales we are now mandated to wear masks in public places like shops and transport. Ridiculous!

Derg
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 5:39 am

Patrick just wear the mask…we know they work 😉

Just look at the skyrocketing cases

mikebartnz
Reply to  Derg
January 2, 2021 9:36 pm

and another 1.5 billion will end up in the oceans. I find it amusing with places like CA banning straws and yet masks are way worse in the ocean

Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 12:32 am

COVID-21 coming to a country near you soon!

Ian Coleman
January 2, 2021 12:53 am

Regular readers of this site will likely enjoy Lockdown Sceptics, which is a British site but, as is WUWT, heavily influenced by the spirit of intelligent scepticism of a dominant political narrative.

fretslider
January 2, 2021 1:04 am

People are more afraid of a £10k fine than the virus…

ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 1:10 am

Britain’s busiest hospital is in ‘DISASTER medicine mode’, claims ‘leaked management email’ from Royal London where medics are ‘no longer providing high standard critical care’ and ‘patients are waiting 24 hours for beds and take taxis to beat ambulances’ By Martin Robinson, Chief Reporter For Mailonline – December 31st 2020, 3:28:15 pmNHS chiefs at the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel have emailed staff admitting they are so overwhelmed with cases ‘we are no longer providing high standard critical care, because we cannot’

Derg
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 5:41 am

Ghalfrunt maybe they should use your bleach method 🤔

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 8:48 am

There are about 1600 hospitals available to the NHS in the UK. There are also private BUPA/Nuffield hospitals in most big cities as well as the Nightingales. So I’d say 2000 hospitals available to the largest employer in Europe and globally the 5th largest employer. Over the last 2 days the UK has reported a total of around 1400 deaths. Assuming every single one of those dead in hospital, which doesn’t seem likely as today’s deaths were “The victims were between 27 and 100 years old with only 11 not aged 36 and 95 with underlying health conditions.”; it means over the last two days deaths per hospital are running at 0.35 people per day having tested positive in the last 28 days.

Whilst not saying that there isn’t a problem in IC wards I find it hard to equate the data with stories of doctors having to make decisions on who to save and who to let nature take its course that I’ve been reading about for several days now. Nor can I equate the 5th largest employer globally being restricted by staff shortages.

One thing I don’t expect to happen is that the NHS, an organisation that the taxpayers in the UK pay a great of money to serve us in our times of need, will be reformed to that is capable of protecting us when we need it rather than us having to protect it from us becoming ill.

MarkG
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 2, 2021 9:59 am

C’mon man, it’s far more important to protect the NHS, the Envy of the World, than to protect the actual economy that produces the actual money that actually allows the NHS to exist.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 2, 2021 3:12 pm

One can’t reform socialist institutions; it is like moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. Sell all the assets to private corporations.

Dave Fair
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 2, 2021 3:08 pm

Socialized medicine at its best! Instead of meeting individual needs as does capitalism, socialism allocates shortages.

Vincent Causey
January 2, 2021 1:11 am

There’s a recent youTube video of a man in Scotland being arrested for filming outside a hospital, after admittedly arguing with the police that he is within his rights. I think he was eventually released without charge, but it does indicate some worrying trends with the way the police are using their new powers.

Hotscot
Reply to  Vincent Causey
January 2, 2021 3:16 am

I think the issue is there is no clarity over the explosion of ‘citizen’ journalists whipping out a mobile phone and filming everything and anything.

Were it done honestly, with the right intentions things might be fine. But what we find is selected clips published online with the deliberate intention of undermining and smearing the authorities these people have a beef with.

But then, the example of ‘professional’ journalism by the MSM is no better.

griff
January 2, 2021 1:18 am

This woman wasn’t arrested for being a citizen journalist, but invading a medical facility. In the USA can anyone just barge in and film a hospital claiming to be a citizen journalist? Would any hospital admit someone to film because they made wild claims about what was going on there?

Hotscot
Reply to  griff
January 2, 2021 3:17 am

For once, you and I agree Griff.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
January 2, 2021 3:32 am

Where did you get your information from Griff?

M Courtney
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 4:11 am

I live in Gloucestershire. I know this hospital.
Griff is right this time.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 6:16 am

“M Courtney

Reply to 
Patrick MJD
 January 2, 2021 4:11 am

I live in Gloucestershire. I know this hospital.”

I have family there too, and their account differs.

M Courtney
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 8:15 am

Well, if their account is that the area filmed near the doors is the wards where the Covid cases are then… they are wrong.
Here is a map of the hospital.
C:\Users\martin.hyde\Desktop\GRH colour map 0917 v6 Model (1) (gloshospitals.nhs.uk)
Of course, it’s quiet outside of the tower.

James Snook
January 2, 2021 1:42 am

Come on Eric, stick to Climate Issues. Posts like this devalue WUWT. Both the Girl and Corbin are nut jobs anyway.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  James Snook
January 2, 2021 4:24 am

Concerned? Try elsewhere.

James Snook
Reply to  Rainer Bensch
January 2, 2021 6:16 am

I don’t wish to try elsewhere, WUWT is a great Climate site and a number of posters today share my concern that articles like this devalue it.

Dave Fair
Reply to  James Snook
January 2, 2021 3:18 pm

WUWT is a science site, with an emphasis on climate. Anthony and crew publish articles on many scientific topics. If you don’t like one of the topics don’t read it and, especially, don’t comment on the article. Please, people, get a grip and unwind yourselves from those axles.

John McCabe
January 2, 2021 2:08 am

This is the 2nd non-story I’ve read on this site today, and I’ve only read 2 stories today. One from someone who clearly has an issue with the UK despite knowing little about the country nor how it works, and another where the risk of legal action appears substantial due to the libellous statements made about a French professor with no evidence to support it.

Seriously, Eric, and Charles, your posting this sort of crap on this site is having a very negative effect on my, and others’, view of the site. Why not just stick to truth and fact and leave the sensationalist nonsense to the tabloids.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  John McCabe
January 2, 2021 3:31 am

A non-story? Well, as of today, I have had my freedom erased upon an AU$200 fine for none compliance.

John McCabe
Reply to  Patrick MJD
January 2, 2021 6:38 am

And whose fault is that?

John Dilks
Reply to  John McCabe
January 2, 2021 4:40 pm

The ones who created the stupid rules.

John Endicott
Reply to  John McCabe
January 7, 2021 4:37 am

When tyrants crush the freedoms of the serfs, it’s obviously the serfs fault. What a wonderful world view you have there, John.

jmorpuss
January 2, 2021 2:19 am

Ivermectin, Take it and you wont catch covid19, prevention is always better then the cure. NO reason to spend billions on vaccines. Please send video to family and friends .“I CAN’T KEEP DOING THIS”: Doctor pleads for review of data during COVID-19 Senate hearing – YouTube

Patrick MJD
Reply to  jmorpuss
January 2, 2021 3:30 am

You may still “carry” the virus but may not develop COVID, the disease! And important distinction in this madness.

January 2, 2021 2:59 am

what about the Nightingale hospitals that are being dismantaled. Why? Does not exactly give the impression of a crisis. If so many people are dying from so called Covid-19 why have autopsies been suspended. This stinks.

M Courtney
Reply to  Terri Jackson
January 2, 2021 4:23 am

They aren’t being dismantled. They just aren’t being staffed as the trained staff are busy on the existing wards.
Having said that, they are currently being re-activated because of the spike in cases.
Covid-19: London’s NHS Nightingale ‘ready to admit patients’ – BBC News

Scissor
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 1:26 pm

Does the essential work of the hospital still go on if it’s not there? Here is a claim of it being dismantled at the ExCel Centre, disputing the above link.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/NightingaleHospitals?src=hashtag_click

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January 2, 2021 3:01 am

Did Debbie ask them for a search warrant.? If they did not have a search warrant they should not have been allowed in

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Terri Jackson
January 2, 2021 3:28 am

CMO emergency “laws” bypass that. Under a CMO sanctioned emergency you lose all rights.

January 2, 2021 4:01 am

You don’t get it.
It’s ironic democracy!

andy in epsom
January 2, 2021 4:11 am

I live next to a large Hospital in surrey UK and go passed it every day. There is nothing happening there I just do not have the courage of that lady to film it.The hospital is empty and I have been there three times in the last month for so test and an internal camera inspection.

M Courtney
January 2, 2021 4:20 am

Local news (terrible website) gives the actual figures for Gloucestershire’s hospitalisations.
Coronavirus hospital admissions and infections spike across Gloucestershire – latest breakdown – Gloucestershire Live
If you get the comments to work you will find a loony who fell for the twaddle of the pseudo-journalist. They are immediately corrected by someone who has actually been to Gloucester Royal.
Idiots who pretend that people aren’t dying are not sceptics. They are deluded.
This site used to look at evidence and question it. Nullius In Verba.
Now it looks to ignore evidence.

MarkG
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 10:02 am

Of course people are dying. But the vast majority are people who would have died of something else instead if the Chinese Flu wasn’t around.

In most countries, the average age of death is higher than the average lifespan. Last I heard, less than 400 people under 60 had died in the UK while infected with this virus. It would be a non-issue if governments had just ignored it.

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M Courtney
Reply to  MarkG
January 2, 2021 10:27 am

The argument that the preventative actions are not worth the economic cost is a reasonable one.
We have only one plan for a new virus; isolation, test the moving parts of society and wait for a vaccine or herd immunity. It’s a plan designed for Ebola or a new Black Death. Is Covid bad enough to warrant using the plan? That depends on your political beliefs. And in fairness to the Tory Government, almost all politicians from across the global spectrum think it was.
But I respect those who disagree on the cost/benefit analysis. I do not respect those who just pretend this isn’t happening.

MarkG
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 11:14 am

“And in fairness to the Tory Government, almost all politicians from across the global spectrum think it was.”

They work for the same people. Who want lockdowns to continue forever… or at least until they’re ready to turn the Great Reset into the Great Cull.

The mere fact that the majority of Western governments imposed the same crazy policies on their populations for a disease no more dangerous than a bad flu tells you that there’s something else behind this.

Sara
January 2, 2021 4:23 am

The real question is why does she think it’s all a scam? If she came down with this bug, how likely is it that she’d be first in line, howling about The Horror of It All, pushing people out of the way?
Nobody likes wearing those masks, but frankly, despite the ‘no dust’ slogans on cat litter, I find that they’re a lot better at keeping cat litter dust particles out of my nose than my T-shirt, so I use them when I clean the cat boxes.
What’s really the Big Deal here? They don’t believe there really is a plague of some kind – got that part – but they’ll come crying for help if it hits them. That’s almost guaranteed.

Derg
Reply to  Sara
January 2, 2021 5:45 am

Sara you can wear your mask, but why do I have to?

M Courtney
Reply to  Derg
January 2, 2021 6:35 am

To inhibit the spread of the virus (which you can have without symptoms).
There are other people to think of than just yourself.

Derg
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 7:59 am

It sure is working 😉

Ignore the skyrocketing cases

MarkG
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 10:03 am

And yet actual science shows:

Almost no evidence of transmission without symptoms.

Cloth masks spread it better.

Almost no-one dies from it unless they were close to dying from something else instead.

M Courtney
Reply to  MarkG
January 2, 2021 10:33 am

This is a debate between the empiricists and the fantasists.
We empiricists quote research to debunk the wishful thinking.
Like this:
What the data say about asymptomatic COVID infections (nature.com)
But it won’t persuade those with a neo-religious belief in their own opinions.

Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 3:51 pm

M
Correct, the “upgrade” of the virus with the new Kent strain will sharply increase the amount of asymptotic transmission especially among the young. They won’t need to feel left out any more. The strain’s higher infectivity is across all ages. This ain’t over by a long shot.

Derg
Reply to  M Courtney
January 2, 2021 5:25 pm

Stay away from Humans M….your sanctimonious BS is awfully thick in your religion

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sara
January 2, 2021 3:24 pm

Sara, you refer to “cat boxes.” Are you a real Cat Lady of legend?

Sara
Reply to  Dave Fair
January 3, 2021 4:53 am

I have only one cat, a small, shorthaired black cat whose opinions about things in general are related to whether or not her food is what SHE wants, and how many birds will come to the feeder to amuse her.

Coach Springer
January 2, 2021 4:25 am

Hmm. If hospitals are going to complain about being busy during a pandemic, why shouldn’t I complain about that?

JeffC
January 2, 2021 4:35 am

That is only the start.

<<TODAY The emergency Coronavirus Bill will be rushed through as law. Today sees the 2nd reading, if passed it will immediately proceed to 3rd and on. It contains the most draconian powers ever proposed in peace-time Britain. It will be rushed through Parliament and the powers will last two years. The powers will affect your freedom and take away your rights. Forced detention and isolation can be of anyone, including children, and for any amount of time. Authorities can FORCEABLY take biological samples from your body. There’s no clear access to legal rights from as-yet unidentified isolation facilities. Powers last up to 2.5 years Lockdown powers could prevent protests against measures. State surveillance safeguards weakened. Protections from forced detainment and treatment under Mental Health Act lowered. Cremations can be enforced against personal and religious wishes. Changes to the court system. Registration of deaths. No inquests into suspicious deaths! No requirement for any medical certification for burials or cremations! It also indemnifies the health service should they fail for what ever reason to provide care. The most frightening part. Only one medical ‘officer’ is required to sign off COMPULSORY TREATMENT ORDER which means… in the real world you can be forced to accept medication. Or held down and injected with whatever is seen fit. THAT is the biggest and worst threat to your own freedoms. Schedule 8 Pt1. Local Authorities will now be exempted from compliance with their duties under The Care Act 2014. Schedule 11. The BBC wont be telling you that bit. So. If someone dies in police custody or any type of custody they can simply dispose of the body without any paperwork medical exam or certification or inquest.>>
Link to parliamentary site:
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/58-01/0122/cbill_2019-20210122_en_1.htm?fbclid=

1984?

John McCabe
Reply to  JeffC
January 2, 2021 6:45 am

“and take away your rights”.

What about the rights of those of us who want something done to protect our health against the idiots who think the pandemic is fake? From those who think governments worldwide, irrespective of left/right position are colluding to destroy their countries’ economies and, potentially, their citizens’ futures for no genuine reason other than an experiment in controlling behaviour?

MarkG
Reply to  John McCabe
January 2, 2021 10:08 am

“What about the rights of those of us who want to get a good night’s sleep without the racket from the anti-aircraft guns fired by those who think the Jerries are flying over to bomb us?” – your ancestors, 1940

If you want to be ‘protected’, you can simply stay cowering in your home for the rest of your life while the rest of us get on with our lives. There’s no need to come out of your house any more if you want to be ‘protected’.

You’re either a troll or a perfect example of why the West is about to collapse.

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StevenF
Reply to  John McCabe
January 2, 2021 10:51 am

Are you suggesting that collective rights trump individual rights?

Dave Fair
Reply to  John McCabe
January 2, 2021 3:32 pm

Why not just line up all the idiots against the wall and shoot them? I demand to be on the tribunal that picks the idiots. That, however, didn’t protect the leaders of the French Revolution, did it?

Beware a strong government; no government wants independent-minded citizens.

Cyan
Reply to  JeffC
January 2, 2021 2:02 pm

Thanks for the link JeffC. Every bit of the act represents a significant change in the relationship between the state and the individual. I noted section 13:

An NHS Trust does not have to comply with—
(a) the duty imposed by direction 2(2) of the 2013 Directions (assessment
of eligibility for NHS Continuing Healthcare)

Which means that if you are terminally ill, the NHS no longer has a responsibility for your care – you can (and will) be discharged from hospital to a neglect home run by some mendacious spiv and you will foot the bill.

I have little doubt that these regulations, in some subtly modified form, will remain on the statute book indefinitely.

IMHO, George Orwell does not come close. The future is much worse than he could imagine.

lbeyeler
Reply to  JeffC
January 3, 2021 8:05 am

Looks like the UK is going the french way.
I see lots of “Gilets jaunes” (yellow safety vests) in the future.

January 2, 2021 4:40 am

This post is justified I believe since it draws attention to two important things.

The first is that democracy is indeed being eroded in the UK much faster than the fictitious erosion of coastlines by fictitious accelerating sea level rise. This lady should just have received a warning but instead the police who have become a hard left militia throw the full weight of the law at her. One senses that British police have far more motivation to act against political enemies than against old fashioned criminals. This is the same police who forcibly arrested a woman in her home while she was breast-feeding her child, for the “crime” of misgendering a “trans” person on Twitter.

The second thing of importance this post shows is that hospitals are indeed half empty. This is not very relevant to the covid19 situation however. For acute covid cases it is only intensive care beds with respirators that are relevant. The IC units are indeed approaching saturation and overload, and available standard beds in other wards aren’t really relevant. Acute covid patients need 24/7 intensive care.

The hospitals are half empty because people – perhaps rightly – are scared of catching covid19 there. What it illustrates is in normal (non-pandemic) times how many hospital admissions are bogus; just for attention-seeking or comfort, or just old folks who prefer hospital to their own cold lonely home. That’s a huge problem that the UK creates by clinging to the ideology of no payment for hospital visits. A small payment for admission would have a similar effect to a pandemic – keep away a lot of unnecessary time-wasting visits.

Natalie
January 2, 2021 6:46 am

My son is an aide who does patient transport in the Health Science Centre in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada. He tells me that depending on his shift he is either run ragged or sits and does almost nothing. That’s because, due to the pandemic, all sorts of other hospital work has been stopped. Elective surgeries, clinics and so forth just are not happening. He has very few patients to take to X-ray because very few people are in hospital except COVID patients. They don’t move COVID patients for x-rays due to the possibility of spreading infection. They use portable machines. Mean while when he is doing a shift in the COVID ward he works like crazy. He also told me he sees staff from the orthopaedic or surgery wards and other places in the hospital pulled from their regular duties to work in the COVID ward. It’s so crazy and so short staffed that even though he is just a transporter, he has found himself doing nursing duties like cleaning up vomit, explaining to doctors and nursing how to handle the PPE, how to properly place the oxygen tanks relative to the patients, or handling security issues (he’s a big man) and other duties outside his union prescribed one because new staff don’t know how because this is not their regular job or they are just overwhelmed. he told me he is not going to leave a patient lying in their own waste for hours because staff are too busy simply because his job description doesn’t include that. He has spent more than one break comforting a weeping nurse. Staff are being pulled in from other areas of the hospital because of how staff must isolate for 7-14 days if they have been exposed. They are desperately short of staff. He reports the ER is a nightmare because one of the symptoms of COVID is feeling short of breath and people panic and head to the ER instead of staying home, risking more exposure. This also ties up the paramedics for hours at a time because of people calling for an ambulance because they feel they can’t breath. Even though the majority of those COVID patients are simply observed and then sent home a few hours later, they still take up huge amounts of resources. So I can see why this woman would find some areas of the hospital empty and yet hospitals are screaming about lack of beds and staff being overwhelmed. My son also reports he has been making many many more morgue runs than usual. He had 12 morgue runs in a single day and some of them were dialysis patients he knew because they had to come in for dialysis three times a week. This crisis is real. It is not being made up. It is not a hoax. While I disagree with many aspects of he response to the pandemic, this kind of article is sorry garbage.

Reply to  Natalie
January 2, 2021 3:30 pm

Everyone I know working in hospitals says the same – the crisis is horribly real. No useful purpose is served by trying to wish it away or trivialise it by conspiracy narratives.

suffolkboy
January 2, 2021 7:08 am

This was a bit of a stunt, since it is easy to plan to make a video to support whatever narrative the maker wishes. Obviously she will be both praised by anti-lockdowners for “highlighting” the scandal of the empty hospitals and condemned by the hysterics (and the MSM) for trying to deny that the hospitals are overwhelmed with Covid patients. However, this sort of making, editing and broadcasting videos is exactly what the climate alarmists and the covid alarmists do as well. Contrast politically media videos on weather or protests. whether lockdown, climate, XR, inaugurations, or BLM; see how the same gathering can be reported as a “mostly peaceful” protest or a “violent confrontation”, a “massive rally” or “a handful of hooligans”.
Regardless of the wisdom of creating this sort of video the rise of the anti-lockdown movement during 2020 is gathering pace at grassroots, though it covers a wide spectrum, including fringe elements such as the anti-vaxxers and the anti-5Gs, along with “protest groupies” who join in anything going. We’re getting a lot of talking heads on the BBC and MSM who insist on how essential The Lockdown is, though they are more vague about The Great Reset. Some are even beginning to recommend that people who deny that C19 and Climate Change are unprecedented challenges that must be met with vigour and erosion of freedoms. The next UK step will perhaps be to explicitly ban anti-Lockdown protests, rather than break them up under the “temporary” covid diktats regarding more than two people meeting in public. That would make explicit the huge differentiation of police handling of anti-government anti-lockdown compared to the government-approved XR and BLM rallies.
IMHO the more insidious change has been the “normalisation” of mask-wearing and the rest of the Lockdown paraphernalia. The initial shock, and then grumbling, has given way to complete compliance. Few now object when a school or performing arts group or any social organisation or business announces that it is “covid-secure and complying with all Government orders” and uses that stance to justify the clampdown. The institutions have complied; the grassroots are beginning to rebel. The 2020s will be a decade of upheaval as The Great Reset and Agenda 2030 are progressively introduced.

MarkG
Reply to  suffolkboy
January 2, 2021 10:22 am

Britain has long been an elected dictatorship. All it took was a government with no morals to turn it into a real one.

Graeme McMillan
January 2, 2021 7:27 am

The force is strong with the 77 in the comments section today.

Olen
January 2, 2021 7:41 am

It is no stretch of the imagination numbers of deaths have been intentionally exaggerated and caused.
It was rumored about NY that so many died they were burying people in the park. Everyone knows NY has strict rules on digging in the park. They simply jacked up the numbers by putting virus cases in nursing homes that killed off a lot while the hospital beds were empty, especially on the ship.

Steven F
Reply to  Olen
January 2, 2021 7:30 pm

They burying unclaimed bodies on Hart island, a designated cemetery. thousands are there in mass grave trenches.

john
January 2, 2021 8:01 am

Meanwhile in Oregon…

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Scissor
Reply to  john
January 2, 2021 9:37 am

I’ve seen no reports of Sasquatch with CV19.

zemlik
January 2, 2021 8:13 am

Probably they were all off making TikTok videos

Cyan
January 2, 2021 9:05 am

No need to waste sympathy on this narcissist – arrest appears to be her hobby:

https://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/18860119.stroud-freedom-rally-speaker-charged-covid-offence/

Don’t forget, Stroud is the birthplace of Extinction Rebellion. Some funny chemicals in the water down there perhaps?

Scissor
Reply to  Cyan
January 2, 2021 9:35 am
TonyG
January 2, 2021 9:51 am

Something about a boot and a face…

ETA: To be clear, I’m referring to the disproportionate response here. Seen too much like it lately.

Last edited 5 months ago by TonyG
Pat from kerbob
January 2, 2021 11:09 am

The issue with these vaccines is they are not vaccines as we traditionally know them, which also helps explain why they were able to be developed so quickly. They don’t immunize you like a traditional vaccine so you can’t catch covid, they just prime the body to better fight it off when you do catch it.

The main idea of vaccines was always herd immunity, stopping transmission so those that are too weak and cannot be vaccinated are protected by herd immunity created by the vaccine among the majority healthy population.

And that we don’t know how long this effect lasts.

So the old people with multiple existing issues will still be at risk no matter how many are vaccinated as the vaccine does not prevent infection and spread, if we get thru this winter and summer it’s going to take off again next fall?
This might save a few of those old folks but not many

And I guess if you were the 1in a million young healthy person that was susceptible anyway, maybe this helps you
But since you were 99.95% likely to survive it anyway, how would we know it helped?

I’m all for vaccines, I have them all up to date, I just got the second pneumonia shot as if I get covid as an otherwise healthy 55 year old my real danger is likely pneumonia but I’m not sure there is any way out with these

ghalfrunt
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 2, 2021 2:48 pm

what!!! a vaccine can only prime the bodies defences it obviously cannot stop the virus before it invades the body. all vaccines so far cause the body to build t-cells (long term immunity) and b cells

HOW DO VACCINES MEDIATE PROTECTION? Vaccines protect by inducing effector mechanisms (cells or molecules) capable of rapidly controlling replicating pathogens or inactivating their toxic components. Vaccine-induced immune effectors (Table 2.1) are essentially antibodies— produced by B lymphocytes—capable of binding specifcally to a toxin or a pathogen.2 Other potential effectors are cytotoxic CD8+ T lymphocytes that may limit the spread of infectious agents by recognizing and killing infected cells or secreting specifc antiviral cytokines and CD4+ T-helper (Th) lymphocytes. These Th cells may contribute to protection through cytokine production and provide support to the generation and maintenance of B and CD8+ T-cell responses. 

Steven F
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
January 2, 2021 7:38 pm

These vaccines are made differently and work differently but still prime the immune system in the same way traditional vaccines do .

We simply don’l know if these vaccines prevent transmission and how long they last simply because there has simply not been enough time to collect that kind of date. There is a good change that they will stop or slow transmission. And the latest studies from existing patients is the the immunity probably last longer than many think.

No one
January 2, 2021 12:48 pm

Silence the liars (and all debate) and the ability to discern truth will vanish. Since AGW proponents seem to rely on silencing dissent and debate, the relevance of this article should be obvious, whether this woman is being deliberately misleading or not.

Feel free to disagree, but don’t attack debate or discussion in general; unless free speech is something you deem as inappropriate in general.

Andre Thomas Lewis
January 2, 2021 4:10 pm

Watching the video she posted it seems she walked quite a way through the hospital wards not just an out patient area and the only people there looked like ward orderlies wandering around without doing much. Gloucester hospital could refute what she claims by showing video of the busy staff dealing with many patients backed up with data about how many are in hospital with COVID symptoms being treated. Instead they report her to the plod to go to her house and arrest her. She may well be wrong but the authorities are not disproving it just covering it up.

ghalfrunt
Reply to  Andre Thomas Lewis
January 3, 2021 7:39 am

Total garbage Andre There were no wards walked – she walked the public area which would have been kept free of covid patients for obvious reasons. And she was there on a Bank holiday.
She walked the OP lower floor and in the A&E entrance only see map
https://www.gloshospitals.nhs.uk/media/documents/Gloucestershire_Royal_Hospital_Interior_Map_0917-V6.pdf
I assume the video you watched was this one:
Investigating empty Gloucester Hospital – Debbie Hicks (lbry.tv)

Flight Level
January 2, 2021 6:59 pm

A trustworthy now rotary medevac converted friend reported that the big white tents well visible from his chopper at the Insel Hospital of Bern (big university compound), presented by Swiss media as COVID emergency morgues, were in fact storage spaces for contractors involved in the massive renovation of the hospital.

Reality is that right after the first lockdown, occupation dramatically fell and allowed the already long planned renovation to go on steroids.

Crikey
January 2, 2021 7:42 pm

I don’t believe COVID is a scam but l do believe the media loves dramatic hype and fake news

B C
January 2, 2021 8:53 pm

Here are some other views on the issue:

Katie Hopkins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UXXNf98eCk

Tony Heller: for some reason, the video on Newtube does not stream properly. I gave up on it and used their download option (see the down-arrow button below the video player), but this too is proceeding at a snail’s pace.
https://newtube.app/TonyHeller/wT8uHfr

If alternatives to the leftist media are to become effective, those using them to host their content need to do a couple of things:

  1. Get together and agree on the one or two platforms they will use. At present they are scattered across a half dozen and none is emerging as the go-to platform;
  2. Work with the platform provider to improve their appearance and functionality.

PS The downloading of the Tony Heller Newtube video has finally finished. It took 10 minutes to download 140 Mb.

goracle
January 2, 2021 8:56 pm

they’re drunk on power and control…. when will you realize that this will only end when YOU say “enough”…and not 1 second sooner….the answer to more lockdowns, restrictions, and masquerades is “no”… but it cannot be one sacrificial lamb at a time… either we all hang together (there’s power in numbers) or we will surely hang separately (one by one until the fear is so widespread that there’s no one left to speak up for YOU).

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Jphn
January 3, 2021 3:53 am

Before Covid I could take you to newly completed empty psychiatric hospitals totally empty, due to the policymaking of political ideology.

The NHS was deliberately underfunded and when it was needed most it wasn’t there.

DaveS
Reply to  Jphn
January 3, 2021 5:29 am

No, the NHS is incapable of making the best use of the funding it gets.

ghalfrunt
January 4, 2021 6:24 pm

DaveS January 3, 2021 5:29 am
No, the NHS is incapable of making the best use of the funding it gets.
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Peoples expectations of very expensive drugs and procedures to extend life are usually met (at no cost to the patient)
The NHS explained in eight charts (theconversation.com)

Geordie
January 4, 2021 7:07 pm

I do like the idea that so many people appear to believe that a large NHS hospital is lying empty, I expect the same people will be complaining about overcrowding or the waiting lists next week. Generally you would find NHS wards have beds in them and don’t look like corridors with occasional waiting room chairs. Currently there are sever restrictions for people going into hospitals, she probably wouldn’t be able to gain admission to a ward and certainly wouldn’t get onto an intensive care unit. There are even laws that control who can film patients and the need for written consent, I expect if she had of gained access she would have been prosecuted but being a rather sad fabulist they may have let her off.
Is it really the case that anyone can wander around a US hospital, even filming people in intensive care? and is it also true that even none treatment areas where people go to see specialists are open 24/7.

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