Joe Biden: Climate Change will “actually bake this planet”

“Will you remember that Texas?” The Trump / Biden debate moment when Biden realised he just promised to destroy the jobs of millions of oil workers

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Despite early suggestions of a walkback, Joe Biden now appears to be doubling down on his promise to destroy US fossil fuel jobs, by naming climate change the “number one issue facing humanity”.

Joe Biden calls climate change the ‘number one issue facing humanity’

PUBLISHED SAT, OCT 24 20201:34 PM EDTUPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
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  • Joe Biden declared climate change the “number one issue facing humanity” and vowed a national transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy that he says will create millions of new jobs. 
  • Biden has a $2 trillion plan that puts the U.S. on a path to zero carbon pollution from the electricity sector by 2035 and net-zero emissions by 2050. 
  • Scientists say that Biden’s transition plan is required to avoid the most catastrophic consequences of climate change.
  • Climate change has fueled record-setting wildfires in the U.S. West and one of the most active Atlantic hurricane seasons this year.

Joe Biden declared climate change the “number one issue facing humanity” and vowed a national transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy that could create millions of new jobs.

It’s the number one issue facing humanity. And it’s the number one issue for me,” Biden said of climate change during an episode of Pod Save America released Saturday. He was interviewed by Dan Pfeiffer, a former senior advisor to President Barack Obama.

“Climate change is the existential threat to humanity,” the former vice president said. “Unchecked, it is going to actually bake this planet. This is not hyperbole. It’s real. And we have a moral obligation.”

“It’s going to create millions of jobs … We can’t be cavalier about the impact it’s going to have on how we’re going to transition to do all this,” Biden said of his plan on the podcast. “But I just think it’s a gigantic opportunity, a gigantic opportunity to create really good jobs.”

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/24/joe-biden-climate-change-is-number-one-issue-facing-humanity.html

It has to be said, doubling down on a controversial issue looks decisive. Some people will give Biden points for his appearance of honesty on this issue.

On the other hand, I suspect Biden has made a classic political mistake. Promising to destroy fossil fuel jobs will play very well with many of Biden’s core supporters. But Biden already has their vote, strategically there is no need to impress motivated core supporters.

Biden’s threat to destroy oil jobs and, by implication, drive up the price of gasoline risks alienating swing voters and undecideds. And for oil workers and people whose jobs depend on fossil fuel, they now have a really good reason to make it to the polling booth on election day, and vote for Trump.

Other elections where leaders have played the climate card offer little guidance. Australia’s Bill Shorten and New Zealand’s Jacinda Ardern both tried to win on a platform of hardline commitment to climate action. Australia’s Bill Shorten failed spectacularly, lost an election many described as “unlosable”. New Zealand’s Jacinda Ardern won an increased share of the vote.

Australia has a much larger oil, gas and coal industry than New Zealand.

There was never a genuine opportunity for Biden to walk back his promise to destroy jobs, after Biden made such a clear announcement during the Presidential Debate. My personal view, I suspect the firm Democrat commitment to job destruction will contribute significantly to a Trump victory.

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Bob Weber
October 25, 2020 10:17 am

Climate change will happen naturally as it always has without MME. Joe Biden is parroting the UN IPCC’s junk science, based on the faulty idea that CO2 drives the climate when it’s always been the sun.

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griff
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 25, 2020 10:50 am

yes, but it will also happen additionally from human produced CO2… that now being the main driver of climate, over and above natural drivers.

I don’t see how you can explain this without climate change:

https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2975.0;attach=289723;image

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 11:31 am

…..how you can explain this without climate change:….

Great example of how you (and most alarmists) try to use imprecise language and end up only confusing yourselves.

You point to an example of “climate change” and then assert that it was caused by (…..wait for it….) CLIMATE CHANGE!

Circular reasoning at its worst.

fred250
Reply to  George Daddis
October 25, 2020 2:18 pm

The slight reduction at this time is being caused by a WEATHER EVENT

There has been a persistent +ve temperature anomaly sitting above Northern Siberia.. countered by a strong -ve anomaly over Alaska and Canada

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Nothing to do with “climate” all to do with WEATHER.

That anomaly, while still +ve, has just dropped down to below freezing real temperatures, so we can expect rapid gains in sea ice over the next month or so.

John Galt III
Reply to  fred250
October 25, 2020 5:45 pm

said the man whose brain is so baked he thinks he’s running for the US Senate

Reply to  fred250
October 25, 2020 6:06 pm

JG III – yep, the big guy, a criminal with the onset of senile dementia being told by the DNC to fake being a phony-socialist.

I know there are a lot of people who post on here who think this is all about constructing a one-world socialist utopia. Sorry, I think the notion of creating a global kleptocracy to trouser other people’s money is the ONLY goal of the leaders of this energy hoax, and a far better explanation. I mean Joe Biden, a one-world socialist?? Yikes, give me a break. Even griff will see this in ten years.

Charles Higley
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 6:59 am

philincalifornia: you said they were just after others’ money. That’s socialism, aka slavery, with all the money and power in the hands of an elite, making it a gang and communism. Socialism is not possible without the gang overlay, as they will dictate how the slaves live under them.

Remember, once you have taken all their money, you can then steal their labor.

But, and a big butt, is that the UN’s Agenda 21 / 2030 are aimed at them being the overlord gang and all money and power flowing to them. It’s real and posted on their website. The green New Deal is completely in line with UN Agenda 21 goals, as it the erosion of our rights, and the attacks on religion, family, and speech.

MarkW
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 12:32 pm

Creating a one world socialist government is they go about creating a one world global keptocracy.

Socialism always devolves into a scheme to enrich those who run it.

Reply to  George Daddis
October 25, 2020 5:57 pm

Exactly, are we talking about real climate change or phony climate change? griff would like everyone to believe him in his thinking that a real phenomenon is the same as a moronic leftist parrot-meme. Wrong site griff. People on here are not as gullible as you.

Also, show us your math(s).

Greg
Reply to  George Daddis
October 25, 2020 8:07 pm

“I don’t see how you can explain this without climate change:”

Firstly what is “this” ? It is selection bias to create a narrative. Why select only the “lowest years” : to create the impression it’s lower than it really is and getting continually lower.

Any reason why they chose no to include 2013/14 when the OMG low of 2012 increased by 65% in just one year. How do you explain WITH climate change? That’s no consistent with run away melting dominated by CO2 and positive feedbacks: less ice more , lower albedo, more heating, etc.

Why does that graph start at the end of Sept, several weeks after minimum? For years that was the warmists OMG moment and the only thing which mattered ( until it bounced back in 2013 , when it wall went a bit quiet for about 5 years ).

Most of the melting was between 1997 and 2007. 2018 and 2019 minima were indistinguishable from that of 2007. That is not consistent with tipping point , run away melting either. How do you explain that WITH climate change?

JR
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 11:37 am

The explanation is likely similar to that for the Medieval and/or Roman Warm Periods. Unfortunately, no one took those measurements back then; though “climate change” was no doubt the cause. Human produced CO2? Not so much.

ScarletMacaw
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 11:38 am

Even if you buy into the scam, natural Drivers would have to be at least as strong as CO2 to create the 18 year long pause.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  ScarletMacaw
October 25, 2020 5:02 pm

How strong is CO2?
Nobody knows.
Nobody knows the climate sensitivity numbers.
Despite 40 years of guessing, clinging to a tarnished concept.
Time to admit defeat and move on. Geoff S

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
October 25, 2020 9:16 pm

That will never happen on God green earth. They will only resort to more extreme claims and methods.

Bob Weber
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 11:50 am

griff, sea ice extent is forced naturally. CO2 isn’t warming the ocean or melting the ice.

Sea ice extent is governed by long-term ocean warming/cooling originating in the tropics.

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Long-term ocean warming is driven by higher solar activity as indicated in my first post link.

ML CO2 is measuring outgassing that is a by-product of the solar warmed ocean. MME mixes with natural CO2 and greens the earth and sinks in the ocean together.

CO2 provides no warming to the ocean where it originates, ie no feedback to the ocean. The 12m change in ML CO2 lags by 5 months the 12m change in the ocean temperature above 25.6C.

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Since the troposphere follows the ocean by a few months, CO2 isn’t providing feedback to the atmosphere either, MME or natural. CO2 is not a driver of anything except madness in the minds of climateers and politicians. Don’t get mad over CO2 griff. We need all the greening we can get from it; CO2 is very much net beneficial, natural and MM.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Bob Weber
October 25, 2020 1:49 pm

NO BOB this is where warming comes from:
http://www.plateclimatology.com/

MODS getting a Security Certificate Warning—probably from Griff and his HACKS

Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
October 25, 2020 2:56 pm

Plate climatology is a facet of geothermal heat, but geothermal in total still averages a tenth to a quarter of a watt per square meter…..just insignificant compared to cloud cover that can reflect 800 watts per square meter of incoming sunlight…or even the climateers CO2 forcing change of 2 watts/sq meter since the end of oil from whale fat.

Bob Weber
Reply to  Carbon Bigfoot
October 25, 2020 7:12 pm

Nice try but that’s going nowhere fast. Are you James Kamis? Has Kamis been able to make a successful prediction of anything like I regularly do? If so I’d like to hear about it.

The 2015/16 El Nino was not caused by geologic heat as claimed by Kamis, it was caused by high TSI absorbed by the upper ocean layer, dominating ocean warming.

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In fact solar activity has acted according to the rules I established all the way through the Holocene, warming/cooling various areas of the climate near the same threshold value of solar activity I originally established in 2014.

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You/Kamis don’t have a case. Interesting but wrong. Notice I’m not claiming there isn’t heat venting from the ocean floor, it’s just not very powerful altogether.

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 12:07 pm

Speaking of explaining things, griff, how come the Arctic isn’t completely ice-free now? That was predicted to happen by 2013, or 2014, or 2015, or 2016, or 2018.
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions

Scissor
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
October 25, 2020 12:36 pm

And it was ice free for extended periods earlier in this interglacial.

Reply to  Scissor
October 25, 2020 1:47 pm

Ice free early to mid Holocene- the present ice-locked north shore of Greenland has sandy beaches with driftwood dated 4000+ ybp.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/24/new-study-shows-arctic-sea-ice-extent-6000-years-ago-was-much-less-than-today/

nottoobrite
Reply to  Scissor
October 26, 2020 5:03 am

History is Greenland Where’s Greenland? Do you know Griff?

Chris Wright
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
October 26, 2020 3:59 am

Many thanks, Ralph, that’s an excellent collection of laughably failed predictions of doom.
Chris

Steven Lonien
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 12:54 pm

Still its obviouse betz limits phyics law when oil discoverd claim no other invention is possible like mine without gaps it requires.Its bejesus windmills on.youtube.and stonwalled by 3 presidents and trump oil corp opposes

Reply to  Steven Lonien
October 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Eh?

Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
October 25, 2020 6:09 pm

”Eh?”

AAAaaaaaaha ha ha ha ha ha!

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Lonien
October 25, 2020 3:06 pm

Once again, in English this time.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Steven Lonien
October 25, 2020 9:22 pm

Let me let you in on a secert, when something shows up better and cheaper than coal and oil, it will replace them without anyone have to do anything, no laws, no subsidies and no coercion. If what you believe is true we would be sitting in dark house because tallow make poor candles and the whale oil ran out a long time ago, also New York would be cover in horse manure.

Coeur de Lion
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 12:55 pm

Hullo Griff. If you’d taken my £100 bet that Arctic ice would not fall below four million square kilometres at Equinox this year, you would have won. 2020 was for a few days the second occasion in thirteen years. Now, the same is open for September 2021. Are you on?

David S
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 1:03 pm

20,000 years ago the earth was in a glacial maximum. Most of Canada was buried under an ice sheet a mile thick. That ice sheet cover part of the northern United States. My home state of Michigan was completely buried under the ice. Then the planet started warming and the ice sheets receded. About 10,000 years ago we entered the halocene era where temperature have been as cozy warm as they are now. The situation was similar in Europe. Was that due to man made co2? How many gas powered SUV’s were there? How many coal fired power plants were there? None and none. So all that happened long before man could have influenced it.
So why is it now believed that the small change in temperature (.8 C in 100 years) could only be due to man?

BTW the increase in temperature from the global maximum to the holocene has been greatly beneficial to life on earth. Where there was once only ice there are now lush green forests teeming with life and fertile farmlands where much of the world’s food is grown. Is that bad?

Mack
Reply to  David S
October 26, 2020 9:35 pm

Yes, according to “climate science”, the melting of all that ice was caused by the CO2 emitted from volcanos, bugs and snowmobiles.. (sarc)

MrGrimNasty
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 1:53 pm

Low polar sea ice is a portent of doom, oh look, squirrel.

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fred250
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 2:12 pm

WOW, still WAY MORE Arctic sea ice than for the last 10,000 years, hey little regurgitator parrot. !

The recovery of sea ice slightly towards the much LOWER holocene norm, has been a GREAT THING for all life in Arctic.

The reduction in sea ice from the extreme levels of the LIA and 1970s has helped Arctic sea life, particularly the Bowhead Whale, which was near extinction) make a come back.

https://partner.sciencenorway.no/arctic-ocean-forskningno-fram-centre/the-ice-retreats–whale-food-returns/1401824

griff DOESN’T CARE about nearly extinct or LIFE in general, because he is a low-life cretin.

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 2:21 pm

“giffiepoo October 25, 2020 at 10:50 am
yes, but it will also happen additionally from human produced CO2… that now being the main driver of climate, over and above natural drivers.”

Hahahahaha!
Proof that alarmism is a religion.

fred250
Reply to  ATheoK
October 25, 2020 3:12 pm

A regurgitated statement that griff, (nor any other AGW shill) can provide any actual scientific evidence for.

Its a FANTASY, a FIGMENT from an addled brain-washed, “Norwegian Blue” mind.

DrEd
Reply to  ATheoK
October 25, 2020 3:33 pm

The annual additional downward radiation due to man-made CO2 is about 0.035 W/m^2.
The total downward radiation from the atmosphere is estimated at about 324 W/m^2. So man-made CO2 adds 1/10,000 more annually. Gee, in 100 years that might add up to 1%.
BFD. Get educated, griff.

fred250
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 2:24 pm

Yes griff climate HAS changed, NATURALLY,

Its warmer now than during the LIA

That is totally a GOOD THING, especially for Arctic wildlife.

Late 1970s sea ice was up there with the DEVASTATING COLD of the LIA.

Temperature are still way LOWER than for most of the last 10,000 years, which is why there is still SO MUCH SEA ICE, compared to the last 10,000 years.

Stop you ignorant “climate change DENIAL” griff.

DrEd
Reply to  fred250
October 25, 2020 3:36 pm

And your pall Biden is an idiot.

fred250
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 2:28 pm

Even though he is a single post drop-out, his posts allow the actual FACTS to be posted for any passer-by to see

The fact thatgriff can NEVER counter any of the FACTS put forward converts many many people to the realisation that AGW is just a scam

Thanks for continuing to post your arrant parrot-like garbage, griff.

Lets see if he can answer two simple questions..

1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?

2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be SCIENTIFICALLY proven to be of human causation?

Or will he be an abject failure, just like every other AGW shill/trollette.

stewartpid
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 2:52 pm

We were baking at -15 C this morning …. one of the coldest mid October periods on record and lots of places set new all time low temperature records last week and it is still damn cold all along the east side of the Rocky Mountains. https://maps.darksky.net/@temperature,49.838,-94.570,4

My son was laughing at morons who claim the record cold is caused by climate change / GLO-BULL warming. Only a Griff would swallow that nonsense.

fred250
Reply to  stewartpid
October 25, 2020 3:20 pm

The cold in Alaska, Canada and NW USA is the flip-side of the +ve anomaly sitting over Northern Siberia

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I wonder how many people are benefiting from that warm anomaly (even though actual temperature is still around 0ºC).. certainly Arctic sea life is very happy. Can’t swim on ice !

The cold anomaly over much of the north of the US/Canada continent.. many more people affected….

opus
Reply to  stewartpid
October 25, 2020 9:48 pm

Minus 29 in Potomac, Montana this morning. Minus 6 at the airport here in Missoula Lowest October temp ever recorded in the lower 48.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 3:04 pm

Once again, griff has to lie in order to make themselves relevant.
There isn’t a shred of real world evidence that CO2 is the major driver of climate.

The fact that the earth has been warmer than it is today for the vast majority of the last 10K to 20K years, all the while with much lower CO2 levels, is very strong evidence that CO2 has little to no impact on temperature, much less climate.

fred250
Reply to  MarkW
October 25, 2020 4:49 pm

” in order to make themselves relevant.”

And totally FAILED

A Norwegian Blue” would be more relevant than the griff collective.

Dennis G Sandberg
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 3:06 pm

griff, please take a look at Antarctica where the real ice is. It’s increasing. Do you believe the Arctic is losing ice because of global warming and Antarctica is gaining ice because of global warming? Do you think that perhaps the Milankovitch Cycles have anything to do with it? Also, read Dr. Ed Berry’s new book, Climate Miracle. He explains why CO2 can not be the climate control knob.

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Griff, I’ve asked you 1000 times to explain why modern warming is caused by anthropogenic CO2 and not whatever natural forcings that caused past warming far beyond what we see now. You and your pal Loydo steadfastly refuse to present any evidence explaining your position. Either do so or flit away.

Monna Manhas
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 3:53 pm

Griff, how do you explain the world’s on-average-warmer-than-today temperatures in the Jurassic Period without humans? There was no ice at the poles during the Jurassic, and yet the earth did not burn up or “bake.” On the contrary, the Jurassic (Age of the Dinosaurs) is always portrayed as a period of lush vegetation.

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 4:15 pm

Explain how human produced CO2 is different from other CO2.
You can’t ? 😀

Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 5:12 pm

No Griff
You have no causation just correlation

That is why your people perpetrated the hockey stick fraud as you felt the need to eliminate other warm periods to make your theory more plausible.

Temp has been up and down for decades while CO2 has steadily risen.

There is no proof of your beliefs

Charles Higley
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 8:35 pm

CO2 has absolutely no effect on climate, except to cause some cooling. During the day CO2 and water vapor are saturated with light radiation and absorbing and emitting constantly, having no effect. At night, however, they convert energy in the air to IR which is lost to space, thus cooling the atmosphere.

It was shown years ago by a NASA scientist that as CO2 rises, absolute water vapor decreases and is effectively a wash.

We are left with a political agenda that certainly does not have the welfare of the world in mind.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  griff
October 25, 2020 9:46 pm

“griff October 25, 2020 at 10:50 am

yes, but it will also happen additionally from human produced CO2… that now being the main driver of climate, over and above natural drivers.”

Evidence please Griff.

Paul
Reply to  griff
October 26, 2020 4:34 pm

No more humans; problem solved

Reply to  Bob Weber
October 25, 2020 8:13 pm

RUDY GIULIANI AT HIS PROSECUTORIAL BEST, ON “THE BIDEN CRIME FAMILY”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axVq7yWg6KA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani
Giuliani led the 1980s federal prosecution of New York City mafia bosses as U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

Reply to  ALLAN MACRAE
October 26, 2020 6:43 am

https://special-ops.org/who-betrayed-navy-seal-team-six/

“I never heard Aaron this concerned and worried in his entire life,” Mrs. Vaughn said in an interview. “He called me and said, ‘Mom, you and Dad have to take everything down. Biden has just put a huge target on everybody.’”

October 25, 2020 10:19 am

No presidential candidate has ever won, or even run, by promising to destroy the economy, freedom, jobs and the country. If the MSM confuses enough voters to push this idiot over the finish line, the entire MSM should be prosecuted for treason.

Scissor
Reply to  co2isnotevil
October 25, 2020 10:46 am

Biden for sure is engaged in criminal activity but is the MSM also for not reporting on it or for spinning a narrative?

Reply to  Scissor
October 25, 2020 4:34 pm

treason: The crime of betraying one’s country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

It’s absolutely clear that the MSM, in collusion with the Democratic party, has been trying to overthrow the government ever since Trump was elected.

cosmic
Reply to  co2isnotevil
October 25, 2020 12:18 pm

The “MSM” are my sworn enemy.

October 25, 2020 10:20 am

Off topic:

US Senate seeks censorship stories

https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/share-your-censorship-story

Sen Blackburn heads the Big Tech Taskforce investigating censorship by Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube, etc. They need lots of evidence so send her your stories. You need not be US citizens or residents. This is a worldwide issue.

Blackburn says “These companies are not the arbiters of truth, but they have been censoring information as if they are.”

Spread the word!
David

ResourceGuy
Reply to  David Wojick
October 25, 2020 10:29 am

Thanks!

Reply to  David Wojick
October 25, 2020 11:34 am

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Search for ‘TTAC’ or ‘TTAV’
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Fran
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 25, 2020 12:49 pm

Are you advertising for what looks to be a very profitable health scam? For people who are selling DVD’s purporting to tell the ‘true’ story of vaccines (read antivaccsors)? Do you own shares in the business?

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Fran
October 26, 2020 5:31 am

the info on vaccines is checkable showing how the pharmas got busted ith dud n bad batches so they now mix batches so its harder to prove a vial was substandard etc is Factual
so is Merks OWN admission that if a woman HAS the HPV strains in their vaccine prior to using the vaccine the cancer risk is damn near doubled!!
but they do NOT advocate a prejab screening, the assumption is by targeting kids they avoid that risk(ie not yet sexually active so no risk)
no one told the active, while very young though.
and,sadly kids CAN carry the HPV from their mothers.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Peta of Newark
October 26, 2020 5:25 am

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not everyone will agree with all their segments and individual docs and others views
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Reply to  David Wojick
October 26, 2020 1:29 pm

Last I read, the hearings with the facetwit CEO’s is to be mid-november, after they’ve done whatever they can to mess with the election.

Followed shortly afterward by a break for the holidays, then the new Senators to be sworn in and possibly Biden.

More bloviating from politicians trying to make themselves appear relevant to the voters. Nothing has been done yet, nothing will BE done with this latest pony show.

October 25, 2020 10:23 am

Biden’s plan WILL bake the planet

The only thing preventing the Earth from baking now are dimming SO2 aerosol emissions from the burning of fossil fuels. Remove them, and temperatures will soar.

Reply to  Burl Henry
October 25, 2020 10:46 am

Why did this not happen last time CO2 levels were much higher than today?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Burl Henry
October 25, 2020 12:50 pm

I think Biden’s brain has been baked.

Reply to  Burl Henry
October 25, 2020 1:52 pm

The only thing getting baked us Hunter Biden.
Even if we experience the RCP8.5 scenario, the planet will neither bake nor broil. Life will flourish on this planet. During the early Eocene temps were 16°C warmer than now and redwood forests flourished in Nunavut. And in the Mesozoic dinosaurs roamed the cycad forests of Antarctica.

Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 10:23 am

Pity the American voter, having to choose between two evils. They lose no matter which one wins.

Scissor
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 10:48 am

“President Trump was investigated for what Hillary did, impeached for what Biden did, blamed for what China did and now being attacked for mentioning what Hunter did.”

icisil
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 10:55 am

Elucidate Trump’s evil.

MarkW
Reply to  icisil
October 25, 2020 3:08 pm

He’s not a progressive.

cosmic
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 12:21 pm

Um, Trump is far far from pure evil. In fact he is about 180 from evil. 56% according to gallup say they are better off today than 4yrs ago…IN SPITE OF the COFlu. I am included in that 56%.

paul courtney
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 12:25 pm

Mr. Richard: Thank you so much for your pity, but we had to choose, twice, between Barry Sotero and two guys who thought it evil to identify the opposition. We got through that, we got this. Save your overwrought emotion for people stuck in dem-run cities.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 3:09 pm

If you want an example of evil, how about those who attack anyone who disagrees with them?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/anti-protesters-attack-jews-trump-vehicle-convoy-new-york

leowaj
Reply to  Richard (the cynical one)
October 25, 2020 3:57 pm

Trump is the 21st century Reagan, in my opinion, and far from evil. He is willing to take on the media, like Reagan. And he is– finally– the candidate that stopped the prior 30 years of slide toward socialism (Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama– even Bush Jr had leftist leanings), just like Reagan.

Nevertheless, I still take a Trump v. Biden over the kinds of match ups found in Australia, NZ, the UK, France, Germany… basically all of Western Europe. In those places, it seems like it’s a fight between Lenin and Trotsky or Mao and Pol Pot. Politics so far to the left that a new set of words has to be employed to describe it.

October 25, 2020 10:24 am

I didn’t think Trump got as much mileage out of this as he could have.

He called the Paris accord unfair to the US without explaining why. The US would be required to send billions to third world countries whose corrupt dictators likely would squander it, and China, India, Russia and many others would have to do nothing for decades.

On the millions of jobs Biden claims to be able to created with renewables, someone ought to point out that its true. It’s part of why energy costs, per Obama would sky rocket, and for every job gained, 10 lost due to entire industries leaving the country.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Davidmhoffer
October 25, 2020 11:46 am

No, no! I’m starting to see how Biden is thinking. Probably billions of jobs would have to be created if we ban fossil fuels.

Let me just mention one example— instead of cutting the grass on a football field with one guy on a riding mower, we could hire 300 people to line up across the length of the field and slowly move across trimming the grass with scissors and collecting the trimmings in a bag. That’s a 30,000% increase in employment! Plus, it will probably still take longer to finish the job than with the mower. So even more people will need to be hired for the other groundskeeping tasks.

Sure, sure someone will say to use push mowers and only 10 people. Why do you want to destroy good-paying American jobs?

KT66
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 25, 2020 2:02 pm

Ah, the old idea of instead of heavy equipment, use many people with shovels, and to employ even more, and to milk the job longer, take away their shovels and give them spoons.

Dave Fair
Reply to  KT66
October 25, 2020 3:16 pm

I forgot the name of the American economist touring China, but he asked why so many people were moving earth with picks and shovels. The response was that China had so many people, they had to provide for jobs. The American then asked “Why not use spoons.” I don’t know if this story is true or not. Anyway, all this “climate jobs” nonsense is akin to the broken window fallacy.

Monna Manhas
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 25, 2020 3:58 pm

They do the same thing in India – spread substrate for roads by hand, then use heavy equipment to compact it.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Dave Fair
October 25, 2020 9:29 pm

Wrong country, it was India and the economist was Milton Friedman.

Rich Davis
Reply to  KT66
October 25, 2020 3:43 pm

And break all the windows so that glaziers are fully employed.

Reply to  Rich Davis
October 25, 2020 2:20 pm

Rich, I think Biden’s handlers are playing defense. Hillary lost because so many who thought she would win stayed home, not fearing the alternative. The Biden corruption scandal is a demotivator for those who don’t want Trump but aren’t impressed (for good reasons) with Biden/Harris. So this is about turnout.

Joe Crawford
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 25, 2020 2:24 pm

Rich, don’t knock it. When we were in Guatemala back in the 90’s, tucked in for hurricane season, it was nothing to see people trimming the grass along a highway using machetes. When we had the local furniture factory make a new teak base plate for our anchor wench the artisan assigned did a beautiful job using nothing but a hand saw and a rasp. Man can get by without power tools. You just have to adjust the standard of living to compensate :<)

Reply to  Joe Crawford
October 25, 2020 2:57 pm

Old economist joke:
An economist went to China and saw a dam project with thousands of peasants shoveling earth. He asked: “What’s going on here?” They said, “We’re building a dam and we want to create jobs.” The reply: “If you want a dam, bring in the bulldozers and get it done. If you want jobs, give them spoons.”

opus
Reply to  Davidmhoffer
October 25, 2020 10:03 pm

Per the Paris payments from the US a Reason magazine poster put it nicely (paraphrasing): They want to take money from poor people in rich countries and give it to rich people in poor countries.

ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 10:28 am

At least Biden is not calling fossil fuel industry employees deplorables (Hillary) or saying any voter who disagrees has their head in the sand (Pres. Obama). But in their own way they are trying to maximize political word plays with donor groups. That means none of them actually think, they only follow the consultant-driven bouncing money ball in search of the golden thrown of power and over reach for even more riches. The internal perception of a “can’t lose” slogan campaign drives them ever onward. And if you benefit some friends of the Party with their fake companies no one will notice among the tidal wave of taxpayer spending. When does the Hunter Biden Renewables Co. get funding?

Scissor
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 10:58 am

Will Biden’s “friend’s” still cling to him in light of the revelations of pedophilia, incest and corruption?

Simon
Reply to  Scissor
October 25, 2020 11:54 am

“Will Biden’s “friend’s” still cling to him in light of the revelations of pedophilia, incest and corruption?”
As do Trumps after revelations of fraud, adultery and sexual assault. It is a funny world this American politics.

Scissor
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 12:41 pm

Yes, the claims of sexual assault on Trump are fraud. I hope you don’t equate statutory rape with adultery.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 3:22 pm

Who cares if none of the accusations against Trump have panned out.

Liars got to lie, it’s all they know how to do.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 3:28 pm

Poor simon,, no evidence of anything by Trump, no matter how much they tried to fabricate.

You must be SCARED knowing that there is laptop evidence of the Biden scum deviants.

But then, Simon probably like little boys and girls, the way Hunter and Joe do..

MarkW
Reply to  fred250
October 25, 2020 5:14 pm

fred250, there’s no need to go there. Don’t lower yourself to Simon’s level.

fred250
Reply to  fred250
October 25, 2020 7:53 pm

Simon worships everything the likes of Biden does.

Nothing more to say.

Simon
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 12:13 pm

Fred250
“But then, Simon probably like little boys and girls, the way Hunter and Joe do..”
Wow you really do dwell in the basement don’t you Fred.
Mods is there no level of quality required anymore?

fred250
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 2:16 pm

Simon worships everything that Biden does.

Nothing more to say.

fred250
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Simon, Are you really going to vote for a guy that “sniffs” little girls on stage ?

Really ?

fred250
Reply to  fred250
October 26, 2020 2:25 pm

“Wow you really do dwell in the basement don’t you Fred.”

Great to see you ADMIT the actions of Joe and Hunter Biden really are the actions of low-life, morally-deficient, gutter dwellers.

Yet you still worship them. Do tell !

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 12:22 pm

Biden did call a number of voters “chumps” the other day…

Rah
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 26, 2020 4:12 am

Hell. A whole lot of leftists have been insulting Trump supporters ever since he announced. Joe schmo and his Ho on CNN have called every Trump supporter, idiots, racists, homophobes, sexists, etc. And continue to do so.

Rah
Reply to  Rah
October 26, 2020 4:15 am

Sorry I meant MSLSD, not CNN. They all look alike to me anymore.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 26, 2020 12:51 pm

Chumps For Trump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bruce Cobb
October 25, 2020 10:32 am

“Climate change is the existential threat to humanity…” Unchecked, it is going to actually bake this planet. This is not hyperbole. It’s real.”

C’mon, man!!! You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 26, 2020 5:35 am

I cant help but think of him as Bidet
but
HalfBaked would be another nickname that suits the silly bugger

Bill Powers
October 25, 2020 10:32 am

Don’t you just love how these politicians just say things, and we are all suppose to just accept it as true. It becomes double dog dare you true when they follow up some fantabulous proclamation with “this is not hyperbole. This despite the fact that they said something contradictory last week and we are suppose to just write over, in our mind, yesterdays proclamations with todays revelation.
Now with Biden we could maybe chalk it up to his early stages of dementia but we all know that he and the rest of these lying dogface pony soldier politicians have been pulling these verbal switcheroos since the media began running cover for them beginning back during the Clinton Administration. Good God I disdain these slithering swamp creatures.

Nick Graves
Reply to  Bill Powers
October 25, 2020 11:04 am

Perhaps he is confused by Baked Alaska.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Nick Graves
October 25, 2020 12:40 pm

Never mind “baked”, what if someone told Biden that the Earth’s was about to “microwaved” by a rogue pulsar?

On being told such a thing, I’ll bet he’d immediately grab his own wrist, to check and make sure his own “pulsar” was still there..

mike macray
Reply to  Nick Graves
October 25, 2020 2:19 pm

Good one! Nick
Cheers
Mike

whiten
October 25, 2020 10:32 am

Common.
Is not rocket science.

This guy is completely desperate.
He will do and say anything and everything he has to or being told to.
He is no fool, and he is there as a democrats candidate for presidency, as he happens to have no choice.

Contrary to Kamala Harris, which has become the Queen of fools in democrats politics,
snatching the crown from the King Sanders.

The democrats politburo, aka the deep state in USA, have decided for these two clowns to be there, as there is no chance in hell or earth that a democrat candidate wins the presidency in the 2020 USA election.
Only fools will believe otherwise.

cheers

Reply to  whiten
October 25, 2020 1:17 pm

whiten,
You posted “Contrary to Kamala Harris, which has become the Queen of fools in democrats politics . . .”

I have it on good authority that not that many years ago Kamala Harris was known as the “Queen of horizontals” in Democrats’ politics.

Is this what is known as a distinction without a difference?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  whiten
October 25, 2020 2:10 pm

Common?

David Streeter
October 25, 2020 10:33 am

We can only hope that enough individuals realize the truth that there is no climate crisis and that so-called renewable energy is no better than and probably much worse than conventional energy sources.

ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 10:38 am

A harder than average winter can’t come fast enough.

Sweet Old Bob
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 1:18 pm

Hush!
Already having January weather where we live .
😉

Peter W
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 2:49 pm

I have been checking the weather maps all week. Certainly looks like a harder than average winter on the way to me!

Sara
Reply to  ResourceGuy
October 26, 2020 11:32 am

Snowed here this morning, just not cold enough to stick. Made a note, but have no photos. I am sad.

Kevin Hearle
October 25, 2020 10:40 am

The Australia New Zealand comparison is not valid. The Australian election was before Covid and the New Zealand election after Covid. Jacinda’s win will go down in history as the Covid election in which the electorate was overwhelmed by 24/ 7 media coverage by Jacinda to the exclusion of all other parties and a total lack of any policy offerings. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time as she will find out when her Governments continuing lack of positive performance for the poor and middle class comes to account in 3 years time.
Socialism never has worked to the benefit of the middle class and poor. Capitalism isn’t perfect but it is why we are driving BMW’s, Toyota’s and not broken down Socialist Lada’s. Remember why the Berlin Wall feel it was people trying to escape socialism for a better life under capitalism , when will we learn!

Reply to  Kevin Hearle
October 25, 2020 12:18 pm

Under capitalism, rich people have almost no money in their “treasure chest” because bankers used it and reinvested in the economy in exchange for a monthly IOU called a bank statement. Under communism, rich people have no money in their “treasure chest” because politicians have confiscated it and spent it all in exchange for army weaponry.

jorgekafkazar
Reply to  DMacKenzie
October 25, 2020 1:08 pm

Armies are handy. They take people out of the labor pool and make unemployment seem lower. You don’t have to pay soldiers minimum wage. You can use the army to suppress dissent. They can hold parades and distract people and threaten them at the same time. Goose-stepping is especially effective.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Kevin Hearle
October 25, 2020 10:14 pm

A good point, which is why I assume you made it twice… 😀

The South Seas Tyrant did not win on Climate. She won by abusing her power to make it illegal to disagree with her on matters of National Emergency (aka – China’s Gift to the World) to the extent that her voters returned her on based on the myth she is the Grand Protector.

The other thing to remember about New Zealand is it is run on hydro, sheep and hobbits. And Australian sympathy. They don’t need to fear massive industry loses when the oil and gas is cut off because they don’t have those industries.

In Australia we don’t have a lot of hydro, use sheep for more conventional roles and oppress hobbits out of spite. We also, unlike New Zealand, actually own and run a military and can defend our own airspace. In Australia going Green means pointless and expensive changes that will cost jobs and standard of living. In New Zealand it is already choice, bro, and going Green has already happened.

Remember, the Great Protector promised to solve her job problem by rebuilding Australia’s Post WuFlu economy with New Zealand labour. She said this. A grand plan, provided of course Australia doesn’t decide to go full Dan Andrews and even have an economy, provided the un-employed Kiwis are willing to travel to the West Island simply to get to work and provided Australia is willing to even accept NZ workers over our own unemployed.

AND, having set her own baseline that New Zealand must be WuFluFree with zero cases, the moment travel causes a SINGLE new case the Great Protector will be forced to fully lock down the country again or admit there was never any risk in the first place.

New Zealand. Is. Screwed. Bro.

Go Woke, Go Broke.

Charlie
October 25, 2020 10:41 am

Biden’s threat to destroy oil jobs and, by implication, drive up the price of gasoline

And thus driving up the cost of everything manufactured and/or transported by fossil fuel derived energy.

October 25, 2020 10:43 am

It’s pretty unbelievable that we let people get away with saying this stuff without laughing them out of the room.

12 years left to save the earth.
Bake the earth.
The number one issue facing humanity.
We have to transition away from fossil fuels, or else!
‘Catastrophic’ warming.

Such ridiculous claims from people who want to be our leaders.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 25, 2020 12:18 pm

10 years now Chris
Time flies when the world is ending

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
October 25, 2020 12:22 pm

The power of dark money colors a lot of talk.

October 25, 2020 10:46 am

“a path to zero carbon pollution from the electricity sector by 2035…”
That’s as unlikely and as impossible as saying he’ll send a spaceship to Andromeda Galaxy by 2035.

October 25, 2020 10:47 am

Joey, what have you done personally to stop any global warming? Did you object to Hunter working with hydrocarbon energy co.s in Ukraine and China? Why do you fly on private jets? Why do you and Barack have so many large private homes? Joey, aren’t you just claiming that there will be DIRE scary consequences if you are not elected? And Joey….about those children on the border allegedly lost from their parents…what have you done personally to help them? Nothing? I thought so.

Reply to  T. C. Clark
October 25, 2020 12:29 pm

It’s their hypocrisy which is why I don’t trust climate alarmists. If they really believe climate change is a dire threat to the planet- they really would change their lifestyle, drastically. If their actions drive up the cost of living- the rich won’t feel it at all.

Derg
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
October 25, 2020 1:18 pm

Yep

Kevin Hearle
October 25, 2020 10:50 am

The Australia New Zealand comparison is not valid. The Australian election was before Covid and the New Zealand election after Covid. Jacinda’s win will go down in history as the Covid election in which the electorate was overwhelmed by 24/ 7 media coverage by Jacinda to the exclusion of all other parties and a total lack of any policy offerings. You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time as she will find out when her Governments continuing lack of positive performance for the poor and middle class comes to account in 3 years time.
Socialism never has worked to the benefit of the middle class and poor. Capitalism isn’t perfect but it is why we are driving BMW’s, Toyota’s and not broken down Socialist Lada’s. Remember why the Berlin Wall feel it was people trying to escape socialism for a better life under capitalism , when will we learn!

Simon
Reply to  Kevin Hearle
October 25, 2020 11:52 am

“Socialism never has worked to the benefit of the middle class and poor.”
Seems to be working very well in Scandinavian countries.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 12:43 pm

https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist

…”I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” [Denmark’s Prime Minister Lars Lokke] Rasmussen said.

“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added…

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/if-sweden-left-the-eu-and-joined-the-us-it-would-be-the-poorest-u-s-state-below-even-mississippi/

“…If Sweden left the EU and joined the U.S. we would be the poorest state of America. Using fixed prices and purchasing power parity adjusted data, the median household income in Sweden in the late 1990s was the equivalent of $26,800 compared with a median of $39,400 for U.S. households – before taxes. And then we should remember that Sweden has the world´s highest taxes.

The Swedish Research Institute of Trade, which conducted the study, underlined that African Americans, who have the lowest income in the United States, now have a higher standard of living than an ordinary Swedish household…”

Speed
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 12:53 pm

Simon: You are either very young or have forgotton history. The Scandinavian countries all hit the backruptcy wall about 30 years ago and had to drastically change their ways; socialism has been creeping back and we will see another government caused crisis there in short order.

Cheers,

Speed

Derg
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 1:21 pm

Hey it’s Simon who said Trump do anything to stop the Chinese virus. Then Simon was dumbfounded to learn of Trump’s travel ban. Then Simon said Trump didn’t do it early enough. Simon must be Xenophobe.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 2:34 pm

That rely on selling vast quantities of oil to other countries.

Scandinavian countries are based solidly on capitalism.

MarkW
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 3:26 pm

Compare the lifestyle before socialism to the lifestyle now. Socialism first halts economic development, then once social cohesion starts breaking down, it reverses that development fast.

So long as most people believe that it is shameful to stay home and receive government money when you are capable of working, socialism won’t bankrupt a country. The problem is that such attitudes rarely last more than a generation or two.

Paul of Alexandria
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 9:29 pm

As is pointed out in numerous articles, the Scandinavian countries are not Socialist. They’re capitalist with large welfare programs. They gave up on socialism quite a while ago.

Simon
Reply to  Paul of Alexandria
October 26, 2020 12:19 pm

“As is pointed out in numerous articles, the Scandinavian countries are not Socialist. They’re capitalist with large welfare programs. They gave up on socialism quite a while ago.”
Which is pretty much where Biden wants to take the US. Increase support for those who need it. Some here seem to think socialism in communism. It’s not.

fred250
Reply to  Simon
October 26, 2020 2:22 pm

So you do worship Biden and all he does.

I thought so. !

You would still be on the very bottom rung of society in a marxist/socialist run society.

You can bet Biden won’t be donating any of his or Hunter’s fraudulently obtained funds to those in need.

Those in need, would be the ones hit hardest by his socialist anti-CO2, anti human decency agenda that you so worship……. along with his actions when near little girls.

Craig from Oz
Reply to  Simon
October 25, 2020 9:55 pm

Welfare is not Socialism, expect when people want to claim that Socialism works.

Welfare is what successful wealthy societies do because they are successful enough to have what is in real terms ‘disposable income’.

Socialism does not equal welfare. Socialism is the belief that everything would be better if only *I* (or at least my Political Heroes) were in charge because everyone else is Doing it Wrong and those foolish people cannot be trusted to run their own lives, cause they are Wrong.

Socialism wants to control the market on the assumption that independent people will do it wrong and only a Government can do it properly. A Free Market assumes if we just leave the people alone to make wealth all we have to do is tax them and, the more we let them be successful, the more we can tax.

(and the more tax you raise, the more money you have to spend on welfare programmes.)

Welfare happens in spite of Socialism, not because of it.

MarkW
Reply to  Craig from Oz
October 26, 2020 12:38 pm

Taking money from those who have more than you do in order to help poor people may be welfare, but it isn’t charity.

Vuk
October 25, 2020 10:52 am

Biden is talking absolute tosh. Temperature of this planet is exactly as it should be. He should learn about what is going on in our closer or the more distant neighbourhood
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Scissor
Reply to  Vuk
October 25, 2020 3:37 pm

The weather is 10F where I am in Colorado, and it’s snowing and it’s not expected to stop until tomorrow afternoon. I imagine that this weather will extinguish our “climate change” induced wildfires.

Reply to  Scissor
October 25, 2020 7:27 pm

You live in Colorado?
Spent time there a couple of time.
(Climbed Mount Yale one of those times.)
Beautiful state.
Keep doing what you can to keep it from going stupi … er … Greenist.
(Either way, the mountains will still be there.)

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Gunda Din
October 26, 2020 6:23 am

It is too late, the Watermelons own the state from top-to-bottom, despite the contrast with rural Colorado, where talk is of breaking away from the Peoples’ Republic of Denver-Boulder. And yes, the “woke” crazed mobs trashed the state capital building this past summer while the oh-so politically correct Guv’nor and the Denver Mayor stood by and did absolutely nothing.

ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 10:56 am

When does the first round of the carbon tax start Joe? We know it’s the new revenue source for the Party like the first income tax and the first sales tax for states. A little honesty would help.

icisil
October 25, 2020 10:57 am

“It’s going to create millions of jobs…”

While it destroy tens of millions of jobs.

Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 11:03 am

I am perplexed by this US election. The polls show Biden strongly ahead, but everything else I can find points the other way. The usual indicators, boards outside houses, the enthusiasm index, contacts by party volunteers, feelings of economic well-being, all suggest Trump doing better than Biden. The only other thing for Biden was that he got more people tuning in to his ‘chat’ than Trump.

Campaign contributions are even, which considering Wall Street is so pro-Biden doesn’t look good for him.

Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 1:40 pm

Those are supression polls. They are doing three things ‘wrong’. Oversampling Dems. Undersampling likely voters. And undersampling black/hispanic where Trump support is growing. All the real indicia point to a Trump electoral college landslide.

JonasM
Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 25, 2020 2:25 pm

The proverbial “from your lips to God’s ears”. …

Harry Davidson
Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 25, 2020 3:03 pm

Interesting, and I am certainly aware that pollster tend to deliver results that the customer wants to see, or perhaps more importantly what the MSM want to see, so they talk about it. But there is an imperative, on November 3rd there will be a check on their accuracy, which usually means rapid late movement in the last two weeks so that they can be,
1. Reasonably accurate
2. Not an outlier against other polls and possibly looking silly,
If the main body of polls are all out by a large margin that would be very bad for their main business, which is commercial polls. They won’t risk that.

catcracking
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 8:58 pm

Yes, I noticed that in 2016 when the day of judgment was close.
These are not honest polls, but try to convince voters to vote a certain way.
Rasmussen seems to be the most honest poll, He has Trumps approval over 50 % which does not jive with other claims.

opus
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 10:37 pm

A lot of people just don’t like Trump personally. I don’t really. He’s a narcissist and has an overblown ego. Then again so does almost every big name politician R or D. The biggest thing is he’s horribly inarticulate and can’t explain his reasoning for policies that are beneficial to the country. The Democrats have made no secret that they intend to create a permanent majority by packing the Supreme court and making DC and Puerto Rico states. That would be a complete disaster and possibly lead to the country to split up eventually. The bigger the Federal Gov the bigger the threat to people’s freedom, far more of a threat than foreign antagonists and that is what the Democrat party is all about .Plus they are the party of ignorant sheeplike trolls like griffy doodle. So despite his annoying personality I voted for him and really hope he wins.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
October 25, 2020 5:33 pm

I hope so
I hope people aren’t just whistling past the graveyard.
I just can’t bring myself to like Trump, but the dems will destroy Canada.

I think the worst thing Trump has done is make tariffs acceptable

David A
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
October 25, 2020 6:43 pm

Numerous times President Trump has said he would drop tarrifs for free trade, for equal access to markets.

icisil
Reply to  Harry Davidson
October 25, 2020 4:42 pm

Voter fraud is the thing to worry about.

ResourceGuy
October 25, 2020 11:06 am

Half bake or bake and shake the planet?

Splitdog Homee
October 25, 2020 11:09 am

Joe has good reason to be concerned it has already baked his brain.

Reply to  Splitdog Homee
October 25, 2020 11:31 am

You beat me with your comment 😀

Editor
Reply to  Splitdog Homee
October 25, 2020 12:45 pm

Thanks, Splitdog Homee, you beat me to Biden being baked.

Regards,
Bob

Ed Zuiderwijk
October 25, 2020 11:16 am

No Joe. It is not hyperbole. It is not even that. Some things just aren’t even wrong.

Opus P
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
October 25, 2020 11:37 am

Who was it who said something like: Your theory isn’t right, in fact it’s so bad it’s not even wrong?

Reply to  Opus P
October 25, 2020 2:18 pm

Attributed to Wolfgang Pauli:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong

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