Victorious New Zealand PM Urged to Apply Covid-19 Lessons to the Climate Crisis

New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern
New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern. By Newzild – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, link

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern, who won a historic landslide victory in national elections a week ago on a deep green manifesto, is being urged to apply lessons learned achieving New Zealands’ near total victory over Covid-19 to addressing the climate crisis.

New Zealand PM Ardern urged to apply crisis skills to climate change

Environmentalists urge re-elected leader, who won praise for her handling of the pandemic, to double down on fossil fuel use and farming emissions.

New Zealand’s re-elected Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern should use the skills she honed in successfully crushing the threat of Covid-19 to focus on a green recovery and help farmers tackle climate change’s “nuclear-free moment”, environmentalists said.

Ardern, whose Labour Party won a landslide victory in the general election last weekend, made a name for herself by responding decisively to the coronavirus pandemic and healing the nation after the killing of Muslims by a white supremacist.

Amanda Larsson, a senior campaigner at Greenpeace in Auckland, said Ardern had shown she excelled at leading her nation through a crisis.

The prime minister now needs “to apply the skills that she’s developed from dealing with the unthinkable, to tackling the ongoing, known crises such as climate change and biodiversity loss”, Larsson told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

Read more: https://www.eco-business.com/news/new-zealand-pm-ardern-urged-to-apply-crisis-skills-to-climate-change/

Ardern, who previously governed with the help of the Green Party and New Zealand First, now has the numbers to govern without coalition partners. But she seems keen to maintain cordial relations with her green partners.

New Zealanders vote for climate ambition of Jacinda Ardern and Greens 

Published on 19/10/2020, 12:43pm

Jacinda Ardern won a second term as New Zealand leader with a landslide majority, in an endorsement of her government’s net zero emissions goal

By Joe Lo

New Zealand’s voters overwhelmingly endorsed the ambitious climate policies of Jacinda Ardern and her Green coalition partners, in a general election on Saturday.

Ardern’s Labour Party received nearly 50% of the vote and 53% of the seats in parliament, allowing her to govern for a second term without relying on other parties. However, she may still include the Greens in her next administration.

For the last three years, Labour has relied on the Greens and the populist New Zealand First to govern. While the Green Party increased its vote share from 6% to 8%, the climate-ambivalent New Zealand First lost all its seats.

Read more: https://www.climatechangenews.com/2020/10/19/new-zealanders-vote-climate-ambition-jacinda-ardern-greens/

It is anyone’s guess how Ardern’s commitment to ratchet up climate ambition will play out. There is no doubt she has a strong popular mandate for greater climate ambition.

The original Maori inhabitants’ name for New Zealand, Aotearoa, means “land of the long white cloud”. This is a fair description of New Zealand’s normal weather, especially during New Zealand’s long, cold winters, so solar power is probably a non starter.

New Zealand has some very windy places, and with all their tall mountain ranges New Zealand has potentially excellent hydroelectric sites which could be developed. In principle they could also develop their plentiful geothermal opportunities; like Iceland, New Zealand has some impressive volcano complexes, with plenty of strong heat sources accessibly close to the surface.

Of course all of this green development would take lots of money. Money New Zealand does not have. New Zealand might have achieved victory over Covid with their early, hard lockdown, but New Zealand’s economy is a mess.

However New Zealand’s national debt, though deteriorating rapidly, is still a manageable 48% of GDP. So in principle there is plenty of financial room for Ardern to borrow vast sums of money to fund New Zealand’s green transition, should she choose to do so.

I suspect if there is one place in the world where a full hearted “green Covid recovery” will be attempted, that nation is New Zealand.

278 thoughts on “Victorious New Zealand PM Urged to Apply Covid-19 Lessons to the Climate Crisis

      • No. NZ Labour is likely to get 64 seats, the Nats 35 seats, ALT 10, Greens 10 and Maori 1. Total 120. Final results not expected for some days yet.

        Labour got about 49.5% of vote.

        So not quite a ‘wipe out’.

        • 20% plus ahead of the next major party is landslide
          Even getting 50 % of vote , once 0.5 mill special votes are counted as is expected is quite rare in Western poltical sytems which have multiple parties

    • Ardern’s Labour Party received nearly 50% of the vote and 53% of the seats in parliament

      Yes, I was also wondering by what logic 50% of the vote and a narrow majority in the house, constituted a “landslide” win.

      If the other side had won, this would be reported as “narrowly won” the election.

      I suppose you could say she won by a head ( a horse’s head in her case ).

      The amazing “skill” she showed in confining the entire nation under house arrest and detaining anyone found outside is presumably the kind of draconian, totalitarian measures fawning idiots at climatechangenews would like to see become the “new normal”.

      BTW there are still cases of COVID-19 in NZ and the entire population is probably THE most vulnerable in the world, since they have near zero people with any immunity.

      Nice work, horse-face. Very skilful.

      • Oops ! I used the ski11, work which contains the ki11 word , let’s try agin.

        Ardern’s Labour Party received nearly 50% of the vote and 53% of the seats in parliament

        Yes, I was also wondering by what logic 50% of the vote and a narrow majority in the house, constituted a “landslide” win.

        If the other side had won, this would be reported as “narrowly won” the election.

        I suppose you could say she won by a head ( a horse’s head in her case ).

        The amazing “ski11” she showed in confining the entire nation under house arrest and detaining anyone found outside is presumably the kind of draconian, totalitarian measures fawning idiots at climatechangenews would like to see become the “new normal”.

        BTW there are sti11 cases of COVID-19 in NZ and the entire population is probably THE most vulnerable in the world, since they have near zero people with any immunity.

        Nice work, horse-face. Very ski1ful.

        • “…If the other side had won, this would be reported as ‘narrowly won’ the election…”

          Therein lies your problem.

          You’re presuming there are just two sides. Her 50% is twice the percentage any other candidate got. That’s a “landslide.”

          Going from 46 seats to 64 seats in Parliament sounds like a “landslide.” The closest thing to “the other side” is dropping from 56 seats to 35.

      • I am very happy with the description of a landslide at 50% as I can tell everyone here that the 52% received for brexit was a staggering landslide rather than a narrow mandate and that will shut all the remainers up

        Tonyb

      • No wonder French “prime minister” (as Trump calls him) “president(*) macron” is in love with Ardern.

        Also, is Ardern malnourished or something?

        (*) some people in France also call him under secretary of central planning

        • I wonder what would happen if you placed Greta Thunberg in charge of Venezuela?

          I know, let’s place Ardern in charge of New Zealand and conduct an ‘in vitro’ experiment. Shouldn’t take long and no external funding will be required until what I expect will be the starving nation needs food supplies and a source of fibre for warm clothing.

      • Keeping New Zealand “clear” of the corona virus is going to take a lot more than political machinations. Long term, people cannot build and maintain a modern society while under strict “anti-virus” regulations.
        New Zealand already has high prices for many modern “necessities” driven by its isolation. Anti-virus can only increase costs.

        Maybe they can cut the government employment, elected representatives included, in half and save a lot of money.

        • Keeping New Zealand clear of imported foreign agents/actors – oops, campaigners, or in Cinders-speak, comrades – is antithesis to the greater political machinations encircling the globe with (cough!) pandemic-like speed.

          The ‘Amanda Larsson’ Eric quotes, is an American campaigner spokes-mouth for Greenpees (sic) NZ, who squawks and squeals at every opportune moment, yet her shrill voice never reaches far, thank goodness.

          Her puff-piece is one more expulsion of hot air, a minor release of carbon dioxide ‘pollution’ propaganda, egged on by the NZ Greens Party gaining 10 seats in the recent election (yet not invited to join Jacinda’s party in the Beehive).

          Ironically, we have a 3-day long weekend celebrating Labour Day, Monday 26th, and so far the holiday road toll (deaths) is 6, while the Crown Virus is zero (0). Hmm, maybe we’ll have to hand in our cars and trucks and be issued brand-new e-bicycles made in China… to save the planet of course. Puff on/off.

      • Yep! NZ, the country with 4 million people and 40 million sheep.

        Tilting farther to mutton every day 😉 😉

  1. You can’t solve global warming by locking people up

    Hold on a minute. Maybe you CAN solve global warming by locking people up

    But the “cure” is worse than the problem

    • I am a New Zealander

      I normally vote for the National Party (slightly Right), but in the recent election I voted for Labour (Jacinda Ardern – slightly Left)

      I voted for Jacinda Ardern because she is a good Prime Minister, and a very genuine person

      I DON’T WANT HER TO DO ANYTHING STUPID ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING

      New Zealand is already doing its share for global warming. We have about 80% renewable electricity (hydro and geothermal)

      Hydro and geothermal are RELIABLE renewable energy

      Wind and solar are NOT reliable renewable energy

      Please Jacinda, don’t ruin New Zealand by pandering to the Greens

      • too late matey
        shes canned your offshore oil n gas
        shes happy to ruin the dairy n sheep industry for claims of water pollution land use and methane
        guess you and another many many will be looking to emigrtae to Aus
        weve got a fair whack of NZ refugees here already
        but you work hard and speak english
        always a bonus

        • Yep looks lile snarky was not listening.

          If he did not want her to do anything stupid about GW, he should not have voted for her. If NZ already has the geological lucky draw with so much geothermal and hydro they can cover 80%, they should stick with that and say they have it covered.

          Pointlessly going to what , 100% ? , is insane meaningless gesturing by such a small country.

          She “healed” the country by removing everyone’s right to gun ownership: how kind. I’m sure all the rural ex-gun owners are feeling very “healed” as a result.

          • “She “healed” the country by removing everyone’s right to gun ownership: how kind. I’m sure all the rural ex-gun owners are feeling very “healed” as a result.”
            That’s a bit dramatic. She removed the unnecessary semi automatic rifles with almost universal political support from other parties. And actually, the country is way better for it.

          • ” She removed the unnecessary semi automatic rifles”
            Tell the truth Simon ; she changed the gun licensing laws to make it possible for the Australian(?) terrorist to bypass all the police scrutiny that had previously applied when purchasing firearms.
            She actually made it very easy for him to get guns.
            Why do you lie about this?

          • “farmerbraun October 24, 2020 at 1:24 pm

            Tell the truth Simon ; she changed the gun licensing laws to make it possible for the Australian(?) terrorist…”

            He was Australian born. We have NZ born terrorists here in Aus, and they get deported back to NZ.

          • Not removed right to gun ownnership at all, as aside that right never existed andway as all gun owners require a license and hand guns were heavily restricted for a very long time.
            All that changed was semi automatics above .22 were banned, and that was done by 119 to 1 vote in parliament. Included were lever and bolt action rifle with magazines above 10 rounds, but owners had option to modify at tax payers expense large capacity rifles to only have 10 or below.

          • Duker says :
            “Not removed right to gun ownnership at all, as aside that right never existed and way as all gun owners require a license and hand guns were heavily restricted for a very long time.”
            ——————————————————————————-

            Prairie fertilizer. The Right to bear arms is not an American invention but is ensrhined in the Common Law of The U’K., and a right of every Commonwealth nation.

            All of those nations have treated that right like it was on the Barn Wall in George Orwells “Animal Farm”. Painting it away piece by piece until virtually no-one understands what we once owned as Commonwealth Citizens.

            In the years between the World Wars, and after gentlemen including my dad and neighbors carried pistols or revolvers in their coat pockets when they went for a walk with their wives at night. And the policemen saluted them. Would you like to guess why ?

          • Only a progressive would believe that the way to get guns out of the hands of criminals is to take away guns from the law abiding.

            As always, the first thing progressives do when they get power, is to disarm the populace. All the better to herd them into the camps.

          • “with almost universal political support from other parties”

            And people wonder why opposition parties were crushed?

          • ‘Right to bear arms is enshrined in common law in UK’- or anywhere else.
            Gun lobby tried that line and Judge like every one else laughed it out of court.
            “The party also argued that the law violated private property rights and the Bill of Rights 1688, which has a clause about the right to defend yourself with arms.

            But [Judge] Wylie said the clause was about Protestants and included the words “as allowed by law”, that the gun law did not ban all firearms, and that the right to private property was never absolute; the Government can take property under, for example, the Public Works Act.”
            https://www.guncontrol.nz/media/legal-challenge-to-government-gun-law-thrown-out

            Even in 1688 the ‘right to arms’ excluded catholics and was ‘as allowed by law’

          • “But the geothermal heat flux in New Zealand is still everywhere less than 1 W/m^2”

            Lucky for them theres certain areas of remnant volcanic activity where drilling to tap geothermal steam to drive turbine power stations is achieved and the output is demand driven unlike wind and in a suitable area to connect to the main power grid network.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_New_Zealand
            The 5 largest, each over 100MW are rated at 672 MW in total

          • “But [Judge] Wylie said the clause was about Protestants and included the words “as allowed by law”,”

            I’m sure the anti gun people cheered that kind of extreme “originalism”.

          • Duker,
            You’re arguing my point. Geothermal energy has nothing to do with geothermal heat flux.

            The flux is small, but the energy is great!

            These areas are not hot due to “Downwelling” IR.

          • Do they still have an aluminium industry? Or was that long gone from earlier political ineptitude

          • Anyone read the Mosque shooter’s manifesto:

            He was pro-China, and eco-fascist, hated conservatism and capitalism. In other words, very far left-winger. Maybe the people of New Zealand need to look a bit closer at their “liberal” government ad prime minister taking away their right to defend themselves against people like this man, Brenton Tarrant, and all other eco-fascists.

            See:

            https://thenewamerican.com/christchurch-shooter-praises-communist-china-condemns-conservatism-and-capitalism-media-call-him-a-trump-supporter/

            Regards

            AK in VT

          • The fact is that he should never of had a firearms license and that is what they should have been investigating and not the knee jerk reaction that followed.

          • He had been in the country about three months when he got his license. Originally from Aussie but his travels after one of his parents had died (probably the last and that is why he could afford to travel) should have been a red flag. He should never been able to get one. The whole thing should have been about how he managed to get a firearms license rather than the knee jerk reaction. I am going from memory but I think that is fairly accurate.
            What do you want a copy of? :((

          • This is what I love so much about the US Constitution: even though the first ten amendments are called the Bill of Rights, they aren’t rights granted to the population. They’re rules for the Federal government, telling it what it can’t do. Such as.

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. . . .”

            “. . . .the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

            And the beauty of the 10th Amendment:

            “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

        • ozspeaksup says :

          “guess you and another many many will be looking to emigrate to Aus
          we’ve got a fair whack of NZ refugees here already”
          ——————————————————
          Perhaps the southern hemisphere version of what the US is seeing. A flood of people leaving New York and California for saner pastures.

          Historically looking back on Germans fleeing the Russian Zone of occupation in the late 1940’s … … the Russians got to the point where they began Walling up the zone, then shooting the emigres … from the heavily armed walls.

          Because the populations who leave socialist regimes first are the people the regime needs to keep things running.

          Not that I think NZ, New York, and Cailifornia are going to start shooting emigres. But it might “incentivize” informers to let the Government know early about prospective “escapees”. Watch those jurisdictions put severe limits on assets migrating with the emigres.

          • “Perhaps the southern hemisphere version of what the US is seeing. A flood of people leaving New York and California for saner pastures.”

            The problem is, those people MADE CA and NYC what they are. Now they’re going to make neighboring states into the same insane-states. We don’t want ’em.

          • Jeff Alberts says :
            The problem is, those people MADE CA and NYC what they are. Now they’re going to make neighboring states into the same insane-states. We don’t want ’em.
            ———————————————————
            A bit simplistic Jeff, and only partially true.
            Granted some are lefty progressives that are only fleeing the consequences.
            Some are malevolent leftists who know they won in NY, and Cali and want to beef up the numbers of radicals in sane states.

            But a lots are conservative business people, and agriculturalists who’ve seen the damage grow, and grow, and who’ve finally decided their families and future … overrule their historic loyalty to their State. Any good State would be enriched by their arrival.

            Read some of Victor David Hanson’s works on this subject. Brilliant man.

          • I was at our service station the other day discussing local house prices and I mentioned that they would improve as Sydneysiders moved here to escape the rat race. A teenage girl behind me said she did not want them here ruining a lovely town so they could just F off.

            If you live in a nice friendly town the last thing you need are woke city types.

        • Hmmm. I wonder if New Zealand will start importing Welsh Lamb if she kills off your sheep industry. 😉

          Maybe she will just kill 2 birds with one stone and ban all incoming ships and aircraft. No importing of Covid or man made goods.

          • Less restrictive than Australia regarding international air travel…. at least Kiwis can leave while Australians need the bureaucrats special stamp for ‘special circumstances’

            Sheep industry isnt the issue , its the cows and their digestive system.
            Any way it was the previous conservative partys government who signed the country up to the Paris climate treaty in 2017 plus voted for Arderns ( misguided) Zero Nett Carbon by 2050 or something legislation.

      • You infantile moron. She’s already banned any exploration of cheap energy for NZ. Imprisoned us for a cough or two, banned freedom of speech and encouraged Maoris to adopt a victim status and milk all NZ taxpayers for everything they can get. Wake up.

      • That’s a bit hard Jamie. Snarky, thanks for explaining your views. Lets hope Ardern puts political survival ahead of green fundamentalism.

        • I wouldn’t count on it. Having the victory she has she will probably think she can do what she likes and she almost will for the next three years but how far down the drain will we be by then.
          I have a KiwiSaver account and when National was in it went up gradually most days with the odd dip but since Labor has been in it has been up and down like a whores drawers.

      • Don’t come to Australia looking for a job. Morons like you are responsible for yet another Sh..hole in the making. She is an ex-commie, a totalitarian at heart, who is very good at closing society and destruction of industries like oil/gas and dairy, but never building anything new. Go and enjoy your back to caves road.

      • I absolutely and sincerely wish you luck in your plea Snarky, I fear you’ll need it. The scenic beauty wrapped up in the small package that is New Zealand should remain for many more folk to enjoy.

        If only the natural gift of geothermal was enough for your beautiful country. Wind and solar are such a useless blight on the landscape.

        Tim Flannery talked our government here in Australia into a geothermal project. It cost us a billion dollars, and that was quite some time ago. All for nought.

        • Different geothermal. In NZ they have active volcanic disturbances near or on the Earth’s surface. Tim Flannery was trying to drill holes in a hot rock five kilometres below and then pumping water through it. It was also located about as far away from where the power was needed as you can get. In the South Island the heat is near where it will be used. The only drawback with NZ geothermal is that they are active volcanoes the are dealing with.

          • Thanks Lawrence.

            I don’t pretend to know much about geothermal power, but I figured that some sort of thermal activity would have been necessary to warrant spending a billion dollars out in the middle of nowhere.

            A billion dollars is alot of money today, but it was an obscene amount to waste back in those days. They still trust him for advice. Nothing changes, they still don’t think things through.

          • The ‘billions of dollars’ was for pumped hydro to allow the peaking fossil fueled plants to be ‘retired’ ( mostly gas but one last coal fired plant).
            The principle is sound but all that off peak energy for pumping has to come from somewhere and I thought its already ‘allocated’ for off peak electric car charging at home ?

            My idea is that a major hydro scheme that was built for aluminium smelter thats closing ( cant compete for power prices with Chinese coal plants!) be the proposed ‘peak’ only hydro plant. Doesnt need reverse pumping as the lake has plenty of water but it cant be both base load plant and peak power plant. The location isnt such of problem as there is an existing long distance HV DC line interconnector from the bottom of South Island to the bottom of North Island thats underused already during peak load.

      • “New Zealand is already doing its share for global warming”

        Any money spent on addressing the non problem of ‘global warming’ is nothing but waste, fraud and abuse.

      • Too late, pal. You have given her, what appears from the articles cited, a mandate to go totalitarian and gonzo green. Good luck with all that. NZ might also lose its status within the Five Eyes intelligence sharing arrangement, as Arden seems to have made it a habit to draw closer to the Chinese Communist hegemonists as well and will not be trusted to not pass on sensitive information to them.

        Kiwis becoming lemmings, what a sight that will be. If I were you, ozspeakup, I wouldn’t be letting in ANY folks fleeing NZ. Seems like people who flee one government don’t change their politics at all – they will continue to vote for the same politicians who created or will create the same problems they fled from (e.g. Californians fleeing to Texas).

      • By the way, be careful about geothermal. As we saw in Hawaii with Kilauea, one good eruption can ruin your geothermal plants for a long time to come. As NZ is in an earthquake zone, one major quake could also be ruinous. Better to have a LOT of energy options, from fossil fuel to hydro to nuclear to geothermal.

        • Does not have to be a natural event either. Rotorua is a geothermal region in NZ and the local authority has banned people from using hot water from the ground for pool heating because it was literally draining the heat out of the ground.

      • Sooner or later, everyone will learn that global progressivism is an all-encompassing world view that has no built-in brakes until you reach absolute totalitarianism. Sadly, for many “middle of the road voters,” the realization will come too late to stave off what’s coming.

        It really shouldn’t take so long. Aardvark, has it escaped your notice that progressives constantly careen from crisis to crises, and every new emergency devolves into a massive power grab for Big Left?

        A cute smile and pleasant manner are not good reasons to hand power to people who believe in despotic principles.

      • Snarky:
        ..”I am a New Zealander..”
        Me too!
        Born in Auckland NZ ..not to be confused with Oakland CA.. so I know the difference between a Kiwi and an Aardvark. What’s going on here? Aardvarks belong in Africa not Oceana, hence the expression ” Aardvark a mile for your smile” as they say in the Serengetti, otherwise I’m all on board with your comment.
        Cheers
        Mike

      • Your forgetting that it is not what politicians say or how they say it, but what they do.

        I have a brother that lives in Las Vegas. He knows that his now former senator advocated very poor public policy, while enriching himself and his family and friends using his office much like JB. Yet he still voted for him! Why? I asked. Because he just didn’t like the opponent despite that she advocated for far better policy. He believed the negative propaganda about her personality, while accepting the white washing of the now former senator’s record.

      • “I voted for Jacinda Ardern because she is a good Prime Minister, and a very genuine person

        I DON’T WANT HER TO DO ANYTHING STUPID ABOUT GLOBAL WARMING”

        Votes for Communist. Surprised he imposes communism.

      • I am a New Zealander too.
        Hang your head in shame Snarky. You have a very different opinion of Jacinda Ardern than I do.
        Jacinda Ardern, good Prime Minister and genuine should not be used in the same sentence.

        You don’t want her to do anything stupid…LOL, you and I obviously read different news articles.

      • this was in my inbox it describes what went on to a t and there has been more anti gun laws passed under cover of coronna police have unlimited poers to ban anything firearms related

        A time line of a mass shooting

        The Law, Crime and Community Safety Council held a conference over 27 28 April 2016 in Queenstown, New Zealand

        NZ police where told that the semi automatic firearms in NZ had to go and laws changed to Australian like law.

        This is despite New Zealand has about twice the rate of firearm ownership and a lower rate of firearm offending. Indicating that New Zealand’s gun laws work much better than Australia’s.

        Attempt 1 2017 Law and order select committee and lobbing mostly thrown out by minister Paula Bennett

        This exercise revealed that the police had a secret wish list

        Chris Cahill became very active in promoting the police brass agenda with a number of claims that where later proved false .

        Attempt 2 2017-18 A number of kiwis(about 1200) that were deported from Australia received firearms licenses. This may be consider an action to increase the likelihood of an “event”, but nothing. Major gangs also got more guns and were involved a few incidents .This may still be problematic as many firearms will have got into criminals hands.

        Cahill is again active in promoting untruthful claims

        Attempt 3

        Give a firearms licence to a known terrorist without doing proper checks and this whole event was so outlandish it smells of interference in the process .

        We know what happened “but did he work alone “?

        Have more dodgy licences been issued ?

        Key points

        Warnings of a threat were passed to police by the mosque. These were ignored by police. One was very specific and on the mourning of the shooting. There were also repeated failures to act on warnings about a potential terrorist attack from the public on at least three occasions. It has been noted that there were reports that the SIS where watching attacker from an army source.

        Senior-ranking police appeared to stand-over politicians in a way that could have been interpreted as a method of prevent others getting a balanced point of view.

        The shooting community had a feeling that something was going to happen

        (a port Arthur like event )

        There was previously a statement from the PM: “we will not get firearms law changes without a port Arthur like event” Quoted in the media

        The amendment was passed with unprecedented haste. This felt like it was entirely driven by emotion rather than facts.

        The whole police senior management needs to explain there actions

        Where they involved or had prior knowledge ?

        Why in hell did they give the gunman a firearms licence ?

        Did the police and certain politicians have the means motive and opportunity to have this event happen ?

        What needs to happen to help prevent a repeat event ?

        Hold the police accountable for there inactions

        There is currently no mechanism for holding senior-ranking police officers to account for anything they just close ranks and lie

        other suspicious actions and points

        Is this about UN agenda 21 / 2030 given that UN secretary general António Guterres

        visited the week after the shooting ?

        Distribution of the shooters video and manifesto were banned without proper legal precedent.

        John Podesta visited New Zealand the week before the shooting. What was the nature of his visit and why were image similar to his hand tattoos on one of the murder weapons?

        Were any foreign government, or agencies, involved in any way?

        • You missed out the big one .
          He pleaded guilty , (surprise , surprise) thus preventing a full examination of all of the evidence.
          Neat and tidy , eh?
          It’s a complete mystery how he supported himself while travelling about the world .

    • The “problem” of global warming was always just an excuse to impose the “cure” of global Technocracy. And, yes, the cure will be worse than anything you or I can imagine.

    • Snarky Aardvark October 24, 2020 at 3:29 am
      You can’t solve global warming by locking people up

      There’s nothing that needs to be solved. CO2 is NOT a Problem.

      Climate change policies aren’t meant to control the climate,
      they’re meant to control you – Paul Joseph Watson

  2. Looks like an occasional cortex clone. It’s the teeth. I think they cave in when the brain is surgically removed. In men is its the pubic like facial growth.

  3. The blind agreement many Kiwis have in supporting a serial liar and communist, who imprisons them whilst running a sustained fear campaign arpoiuad the common flu (CV19 wooooooooo) is quite worrying. She has very little pushback coming form a weak national party, who are incapable of reading and articulating a contrary view to almost anything, particular the climate emergency con and the corona con. This childlike adherence of the MSM and piss weak politicians who beat the moronic baying mobs obsession with C02 (the most essential substance on earth for all life) and CV19 being undesirable and very dangerous, is beyond humour. They are all utterly witless and clueless to a man woman and child, of which there are many. 1984 is alive and well in NZ. The NZ public needs to read and grow up and educate themselves re climate history, the value of C02 (we need more of it not less) and the CONrona Virus! For goodness sake you’re all being lied to on and industrial scale, you muppets. Without CO2, we will all perish! with adherence to Corona dogma we will all remain imprisoned by fear that these lefty idiots drive into us via the complicit MSM morons for years to come. Wake up and smell the coffee, nothin is wrong with our health or the weather at all. Grow a pair and tell the MSM and politicians you no longer need them.

    • Well put Jamie, most NZers are hard working , have a just get on with it attitude and therefore are compliant by nature to their detriment and will be misled by the shouty left.

      • Agreed. And could somebody explain to the ignorant GreenFleece morons that we have no Climate Crisis in NZ or anywhere else?

  4. The link shows NZ solar climbing at a steady, steep, upward rate ‘As of February 2020, New Zealand has 118 MW of grid-connected photovoltaic (PV) solar power installed, of which 25 MW were installed in the preceding 12 months.’

    solar of course works so long as it is light, you don’t need brilliant sunshine all the time for it to deliver.

    • Sunlight vs cloud makes a big difference.

      I’m not saying solar is completely unworkable in New Zealand, but hydroelectric and geothermal are dispatchable. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense to build unreliable solar infrastructure when New Zealand is one of the few countries in the world which could make a genuine go of running everything off reliable source of green electricity.

        • “25 MW were installed in the preceding 12 months.”

          WOW really kicking solar shyt down there in NZ then. I know folks with that much on one roof.

      • Yes Eric but it’s never enough for greens to just use existing renergy resources to greater effect, they have to don the whole apparatus of “fighting climate change”, and that means putting up lots & lots of solar panels and wind farms to SHOW their commitment to The Cause (as M. Mann once described his version of climate science).

    • Griff I know of only one person with solar or wind and that is because they were quoted $20 odd thousand to get their power poled in and it was originally only going to be a weekend place. I have looked after their place when they have gone away so I know more than the average Joe about the pros and cons and it is mainly cons. A guy further up the road has a hydro system and that is a totally different story. 24/7 with may be twice a year when the header gets blocked because of a downpour. Please stop pushing shit uphill.

    • Actually, solar PV makes a lot of sense if you have the same amount of hydro power.
      If it is sunny, save the water!
      If not, open the gateway!
      I would make PV roofs obligatory for all new buildings.
      However, prohibit using agricultural land for PV.

      • I would make PV roofs obligatory for all new buildings.

        Alex,
        Here in California we have a housing shortage and we are being overrun with homeless people. Real estate prices are through the roof, and our legislature’s response? Require PV on most new housing. This is not going to help.

        Don’t get me wrong. I have solar on my roof. In the right location it could be a useful part of an energy source mix. But to raise the cost of housing even more? Right now that is not a good policy. I will go halfway on this issue, however. It should be public policy to encourage (not require) that new construction have rooftop orientation that will enable retrofitting PV when times are better.

        • What has that to do with homeless?
          Housing in africa costs nothing, yet every second is homeless there.
          In california, putting PV on the roof makes no change to the housing price. Do not kid me.
          It is apple, google and co who make the price
          You can and you are obliged to put PV on your roof in california.

          • People don’t ask questions Alex. Rooftop solar works at it’s optimum when there is no shade, apart from when the sun goes down of course, then it doesn’t work at all.

            I digress, in a densely populated town or city people like to have trees, fair enough too. But if your roof is shaded, then you have been taken for a ride by the installer and you have wasted your money.

            People don’t realise that there are different types of solar panels, that they can also vary in quality. They don’t know that bird droppings, if not cleaned off promptly can cause damage to the solar cells. That is not to do with surface damage but rather in the way a panel functions. It creates what they call a hotspot, and ultimately can cause a fire. The same problem occurs when dirt builds up around the frames. Areas that have hot summers can be a problem too, sometimes panels can start to delaminate, over a fairly short period of time.

            Of course there are many other problems too, but a fire has a way of potentially putting an end to your life. Or destroying your home.

          • So doubling the cost of housing will have no impact on homelessness?
            You can lead a progressive to knowledge, but you can’t make them think.

        • Juan,

          It wasn’t the legislature – it was an appointed board of anonymous, faceless, unelected folks who imposed the “solar on every residential roof” regulation. And it isn’t every roof (as you point out) – there are many, many exemptions.

          The day before the board voted on this regulation, the head of the board was being interviewed on a local radio station. The interviewer asked if this wasn’t going to raise the cost of housing. His response was that it would only add $US30K to the cost of a house, and that would pay back, in lower electricity bills, in about 20 years. I was shocked that he’d admit such a thing. Of course, the next day, the amount was walked back to a mere $US9.5K per house. That won’t affect the ridiculous cost of housing in California at all, nor increase homelessness – no siree.

          When our legislature wants to avoid having to make hard decisions, they appoint a board. A chap running here for city council wants to create 3 new boards for the city in the CoVID emergency, with no sunset terms.

          Idiots.

        • Juan, you have solar due to rebates, and to the fact that solar, wind, and laws have driven the price of conventional steady state production far higher then they need to be

      • PV doesn’t make money in NZ, other forms of electricity are too cheap. We have some of the best wind in the world – roaring 40s and all that. Can probably double our non-fossil electricity generation without major price increases – although dry years every so often need gas.

        But transport fuels for longer-haul transport in an isolated country will be a challenge, but not a bad climate to grow things.

      • Has anyone else noticed how the first reaction of a progressive is to use the deadly force of government to force everyone else to live in a manner that the progressive approves of.

        • Robert A. Heinlein, from “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress” (1966):

          “Must be a yearning deep in human heart to stop other people from doing as they please. Rules, laws — always for other fellow. A murky part of us, something we had before we came down out of trees, and failed to shuck when we stood up. Because not one of those people said: ‘Please pass this so that I won’t be able to do something I know I should stop.’ Nyet, tovarishchee, was always something they hated to see neighbors doing. Stop them ‘for their own good — not because speaker claimed to be harmed by it. “

    • Get’s quite dark quite early in New Zealand in winter. Have you been to NZ Griff? Most civil engineering projects are delayed by years of greentape fighting in courts.

    • 118MW of solar ! Is that right . As far as I am concerned electricity is a 24hr/7 day/52 week requirement . PV is at a maximum (fixed panels ) 9 hours output per day , being very generous and no clouds . For the rest of the day its output is zero so PV real output over 24 hrs is 44.3 MW in real terms . As is being found overseas , especially Germany PV brings tremendous difficulties with it’s hugely intermittent and frankly unreliable supply metric. The only way out of this non reliable Green technology inviability is some form of energy storage ie batteries or pumped hydro , both very very expensive and if you think a 1000 tonnes of Lithium batteries are “Green” or desirable well……… and the colossal earthworks and fossil fuel and engineering requirements of pumped hydro are worth the couple of hours of generation it supplies . For instance Australia is looking at such a scheme now , a 1 Billion + dollar pumped hydro scheme , 8 years construction to support a 2 Billion dollar combined wind and PV installation with a maximum of 600 MW x 12 hours .

    • And griff demonstates yet another thing that he knows nothing about.
      While it is true that you don’t need direct sunlight to get a solar cell to work. It is also true that even slight levels of over cast decrease panel output by a very large amount.

    • Wow Griff, 118 MW. But why not mention demand:
      Electricity sector in New Zealand
      Data
      Installed capacity (2017) 9,237 MW
      Production (2017) 42,911 GWh
      Share of fossil energy 18%
      Share of renewable energy 82%

      So 118 doesn’t look like much now.

    • Solar power is brilliant at running a heat pump on a winter’s night in Central Otago when the temperature has dropped to -10 outside, or so I am told.

      The studies I have seen about solar in NZ is that is good in the upper North Island, particularly when supported by battery backup. Passable in Central NZ, only when supported by batteries. And useless in the lower South Island.

    • I’m not sure if successfully isolating yourself on an island and entirely cutting yourself off from the rest of the world – only to stave off the inevitable – constitutes a success.

    • If she used the UN and World Economic Forum’s famous slogan ‘Build Back Better’ or ‘The Great Reset’ in her campaign, then it isn’t too early.

      Yes I know, you thought it was Biden’s slogan but its been used by the globalists since about 2015. Trudeau uses it, Boris Johnson uses it, it’s almost like a secret globalist code.

      Say a prayer for NZ, folks. The Left ruins everything.

    • Well….

      As soon as the virus gets back into new Zealand, it’ll be a mess. The idea that you can eliminate it in one country, however isolated, is ludicrous. It’ll get in again, and wreak havoc because there will be no immunity.

      Not ‘goodbye’, but commiserations.

  5. She won the election mainly with the female vote because over the covid caper she was all lovy dovy which women liked. Quite frankly since Labour has been in all my investments have done squat. Usually before an election the markets will be reserved and bounce back after. The trouble is there has been no bounce back. If she thinks that she can beat a virus she is totally delusional and the way people are behaving makes me think the humane race has gone totally insane. I am glad it is three years and not four between elections.

    • Leftists seem to really care, and promise giving money to everyone, so if your voters are half unemployed twenty somethings, they are hard to beat at the ballot box. A 5 year election cycle usually shows the economic failure of their policies and causes their dismissal. On a 3 year cycle, you might have to put up with them twice….

      • Her success is actually the same as Trump’s if you really think about it…..voters looking for honesty and commitment in their political leaders, instead of the usual double-speak…..but eventually the are assessed by voters on their failure rate.

        • “Her success is actually the same as Trump’s if you really think about it…..voters looking for honesty and commitment in their political leaders….
          Ummm you may have picked the wrong person to compare Adern to. There is nothing Trumpian about her.

          • “nothing Trumpian about her. ”
            Trump’s I.Q. vs Jacinda’s – I agree , no contest, she’s brainless.

          • “Trump’s I.Q. vs Jacinda’s – I agree , no contest, she’s brainless.”
            And Trump is a stable genius right? I mean he must be, he says so and everything he says is true. Right?

          • That’s twice in two days I’ve seen the term “stable genius” applied to Trump. Why is that? It’s an unusual construction that I’ve never seen before. Is it code for something?

          • Trump is very unorthodox, and not a politician, (thank heavens) but is a doer who sees problems and fixes them, who sees opportunities and takes advantage of them, whilst politicians hide behind vague and vacuous language and ideas that political animals almost never deliver on. Trump delivers and makes stuff happen. This scares the shit out of the swamp of self anointed twits who become politicians to grandstand as important individuals and to make money. They care not one iota for the common man. Trump does.

  6. Looks like 2 of the 5 Eyes, the U.K. and NZ have gone green.
    What about the other 3?
    President Trump delivered a Black Eye by dumping the Paris Accord, and candidate Biden squints a lot.

  7. New Zealand? They have what…0.001 percent of the world’s carbon liberation? And they’re going to effect “Climate Change”? Somewhere in China they’re laughing. As noted, the wind blows and it brings new atmospheric conditions along with it. How does New Zealand manage to change the upwind atmospheric conditions? Green Weanie Nonsense. No nukes? Double nonsense.

  8. Out of morbid curiosity/quarantine boredom I looked up Jacinda Ardern’s biography. Her B of Arts degree (2001) is in Communication. That’s right, she’s acting! Wake up New Zealand!

  9. you don’t need brilliant sunshine all the time for it to deliver.

    But you do if you want to deliver more than a few percent of the rated output. Try using some of this green tech you rabbit on about, griff, rather than just pasting information out of context.

  10. NZ has a fragile economy, consisting of farm exports and tourism. COVID lockdown means no more tourism and therefore the removal of the farm exports will complete their transition to the ‘Green’ economy. As an added bonus they will also produce the world’s first genuine climate refugees in the process.

  11. https://audioboom.com/posts/7709609-new-zealand-s-canterbury-university-gags-and-persecutes-a-professor-who-speaks-out-on-prc-bad-act

    Prof Anne-Marie Brady, @Anne_MarieBrady, @TheWilsonCenter; University of Canterbury in New Zealand who specialises in Chinese politics and its policies in the polar regions, has been gagged by her university as she wrote about Chinese predations. New Zealand has been a target of Chinese infiltration; is a strategically important location. China has worked hard to influence academe; Prof Brady has been targeted before, but this time the world academic community is coming to her defense. China’s effort here is to bankrupt Prof Brady into silence; she’s the first one for whom the China Democracy Fdn is fundraising to defend victims of Chinese predation. University of Canterbury is heavily connected to Harbin University PLA/Chinese military. Massive implications for the region, for the Five Eyes. Similar to what the Soviets did that got NZ kicked out of ANZUS—and Kiwis then patted themselves on the back for being morally superior.

  12. I know a family that absolutely fell in love with NZ, so much so that they sold their home, packed up the kids and moved there. I didn’t blame them one bit.

    They moved back to North America within 5 years because of the lunacy of the politics in NZ. And the re election of Ardern demonstrates it. What a shame.

    • My experiences with Kiwis has left me with the opinion that they are decent, likable people. Although, it used to be said that they were 20 years behind the US culturally and politically. That was my impression also when I first visited in 1979. Considering that the last time I was there, in 1989, our rental car was broken into and robbed in the Auckland museum parking lot by two drug-addled teenagers, within the first two hours after arriving, I believe they are quickly catching up. However, I suspect that there is still a residual naïveté that explains the popularity of the likes of Ardern. They will probably eventually come to their senses, after much damage has been done by the Left.

  13. Must get over to NZ to congratulate Ardern on winning the war against Covid!

    ‘ere, ‘ang on, the country is off limits to the world! What a victory! The Lord be praised! Let honours be showered on the great leader who has……. ended freedom.

    Good grief.

  14. What will happen if to NZ if they one day open up for tourism, which used to be a significant income for the country?

    NZ is already green and all-in-all satisfying the Green agenda21 with unreasonable low CO2 contribution from electricity production, just like Norway.
    The only solution to make NZ totally Green is to cancel the CO2 spewing sheep population.

    • The sheep population is about a quarter of what it was in the early eighties so the job is mostly done.

      • Thats remarkable. I live on the other side of the planet from NZ, and yet a leg of lamb from NZ is still cheaper than from the sheep farm just down the road from me.

        How is this possible?

      • It looks to me like there are more sheep than ever and they now vote. Islands are a good place for experiments. No one in, no one out. Check back in 10 years.

  15. So they paved paradise
    Put up some wind turbines,
    With three pretty white blades,
    And a low whooshing hum.
    Don’t it always seem to go
    That you don’t know what you’ve got
    ‘Til it’s gone

  16. September 2020 was the least deadly month ever in Sweden, at least so far back as the data from SCB:s public database provides data.

    Swedens big immigration and high unknown illegal migration for many years has created a crowded living situation in large cities, dispite a 220% higher death rate in the common immigrant groups in Sweden the country has managed well compared to our neighboring countries under a low lockdown situation.

    Above all, we have not succeeded in protecting older immigrants in overcrowded housing.

    https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/studie-overdodlighet-i-vissa-invandrargrupper/

    https://cornucopia.cornubot.se/2020/10/september-2020-least-deadly-month-ever.html

  17. In Scotland wee Jimmy Kranky was extolling the virues of renewable energy and all the jobs it would create. Then it dawned on Scottish yards that most of the work would be going to China and some to the UAE.

    So where will NZ be getting its wind turbines? Will it be home grown green jobs?

    Turbine parts for the Waipipi Wind Farm in South Taranaki have arrived in New Zealand.

    The first Chinese ship carrying towers and blades arrived in Port Taranaki on May 21, about 10 days ahead of schedule, project manager Jim Pearson said. They will now be trucked to the 980ha site, which is on the coast between Waverley and Patea.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/south-taranaki-waipipi-wind-farm-parts-arrive-from-china/YZGHOJ3BWVA44CW6CTEYK7FBMA/

    Er, no. China is laughing all the way to the bank.

  18. “New Zealand has some very windy places, and with all their tall mountain ranges New Zealand has potentially excellent hydroelectric sites which could be developed.”
    Dams are definately not ‘green’ and in most cases they are a severe destructive force on the nature of free flowing rivers, especially as they block fish migration. That’s not a good idea or clever considering many fish we eat spawn in rivers.
    The Mekong River comes to mind.

    • I haven’t kept up with the situation, but last time I was in NZ, I was made aware of the fact that the reservoirs are silting up faster than expected because the imported sport herbivores have denuded the hillsides. Without natural predators, there had been a population explosion of the exotic animals and the government resorted to shooting the animals from helicopters, and even poisoning them. Not very Green!

      • We do things like that too, in Australia Clyde. Reality is no one wants to see a healthy animals life ended, but their numbers are causing extreme environmental damage. Australia has the largest population of wild camels outside of the Middle East. They are highly regarded outside of Australia.

        Driving into the Northern Territory through South Australia was an eye opener for me. I thought that wild horses were a problem for the Snowy Alps region, there were herds of them in the Red Centre. There were thousands of feral goats too, particularly in northern South Australia. It was bizarre to see every tree and shrub all eaten from underneath as though carefully manicured. A campground near Uluru was overrun with feral rabbits, saw a cat, another introduced species catch one of them.

        Deers, also introduced, have grown to unmanageable herd sizes in NSW. There is a fox den on our property, a family of them took out my neighbors chickens and guinea fowl. I think foxes are exquisite animals, though I don’t have any chickens, and there’s the fact that they are keen on eating native wildlife too. In an animals own environment, nature has a way of keeping a balanced population.

        There isn’t a good way of reducing the populations of these animals, but they are competing with native species very successfully.

        • Maybe that’s the answer to the forest fire/greenie problem – get a bunch of feral goats to establish themselves in these forest regions and let them eat off all the undergrowth that feeds the wild fires. No need for humans to go in there and pull out the fuel load so the greenies have nothing to bitch about.

          • You know what Rhoda, you are spot on! Those feral goats eat everything they can reach.

            I’ll tell you something to make you smile. I live in the country and there’s an organisation here in the region that started a business that rents out domesticated goat herds to clear small properties of weed infestations. They fence off sections at a time and move them around.

            Some people just don’t like to use chemicals.

          • Megs
            There is a similar story here in the US that you may not have heard. With urging from Teddy Roosevelt, a campaign was started to eliminate predators from the Kaibab Forest at the Grand Canyon. It was spectacularly successful. With no predators to rein in the deer, the population exploded. It didn’t take long before everything green was eaten as high up as the deer could reach standing on their hind legs to browse. Then the deer population crashed! I haven’t personally seen it, but I have read that even today one can still see the browse line in the lower branches of the trees.

          • It’s a really strange thing to see Clyde, kilometers of native landscape all trimmed underneath at exactly the same level and little of anything on the ground either. Didn’t always see the animals themselves but it was certainly easy to see that they’d been there.

        • On some Pacific Islands there have been successful eradication of rats that were/are devastating to the indigenous wild life. The same can be done in Australia with a number of invasive animals. Camel and Dear meat are eaten in many countries so first neutering followed by exporting to countries that eat Camel and Dear, such as Africa and China. Then there are Patterson’s Curse, the Cane Toad and Rabbits. I don’t think introducing any more animals or plants to control a previous introduction is a good idea.

  19. Yet again, COVID-19 and environmentalism linked. The horror of the lockdowns is just what the eco-communists want, permanently. And just as lockdowns are completely ineffective at stopping a virus, so will the horror of the eco-commies dream will be at stopping global warming. It has never ever about saving lives or saving the environment; that is just a red herring. It has always been about power and control. The brainwashed pawns won’t realize that until it is too late. If they are very very lucky, the brainwashed pawns won’t be a part of the many red purges.

  20. Can anyone explain why when I post a comment at 13:29 (BST) It does not appear until 14:00 This is the case for all my posts; an half an hour delay.

    Perhaps it loops the solar system first?

    • That’s not unusual. My posts’ appearances range from instantly to maybe a half hour, heavily weighted towards the latter. Some kind of moderation delay.

    • icisil is exactly right.

      And, BTW, please don’t blame the moderator(s). They do an excellent job overall, allowing posts both logical and well-reasoned as well as those that are uninformed and/or, well, “off-planet”. Their main purpose, I assume, is to filter out spammers and bots, and in that they are amazingly effective.

      WUWT is one of the most-visited websites on the Web, and I commend all of its moderators, especially ctm, for their excellence and professionalism in managing the comments posted to the hundreds of articles appearing on WUWT over the course of a year.

      And I’ll just conclude by saying that NO submitted post is so important that it cannot withstand 30 minutes (even up to an hour) delay before appearing.

      “Patience is a virtue” . . . this is true.

    • The comment software is a little flaky.

      Most of my posts take a while to show up. Occasionally, they will appear immediately.

      What I do is wait until it is about five minutes after the top of the hour before I refresh the page, and my posts will be there.

      A lot of people double post because they think their first post didn’t go through. It went through, it just takes a while to show up sometimes.

      And this delay doesn’t have anything to do with moderation. It’s just a software quirk.

  21. Right down at the bottom end of NZ there is an aluminium smelter which sucks up about 13% of NZ’s total electricity. It’s totally powered by hydro from the nearby Manapouri dam. There is serious talk that this smelter will close next year (Covid + downturn aluminium demand and prices) and I think Jacinda is happy to let them go to the wall… bugger Invercargill and the workers at the smelter… the greens should be pleased. If the transmission lines are improved to the North Island then the whole country could just about run on hydro…. Jacinda’s nuclear/climate free moment. Then we need to cull off all our livestock, stop eating meat and sit around eating lentils, to really be world leaders in “combatting climate change”.

      • “Vald October 24, 2020 at 6:55 am”

        NZers also voted for the first female NZ PM, Herr Clarken Fuhrer. She, when Minister for Health, single handedly destroyed what was the best health care system in the world in the 80’s. She, when PM in the 00’s, thought anyone earning NZ$60k+ was “rich”, so she put up the top rate income tax to 39%.

        Ardern is going to prove the days during the reign of Herr Clarken Fuhrer to have been the good old days in the land of milk and honey.

    • And just as in “Animal Farm”, Jacinda and her cabal will continue to enjoy the fruits of the proles’ labors unabated.

    • Mack
      Do away with mutton and you can eat venison. They have similar taste and it is unlikely that the deer and related ungulates will ever be eradicated. The extremely rugged terrain will provide a reservoir of animals that will continue to spread out to the lower elevations where they can be harvested more easily.

    • Tiwai smelter uses 600 MW continuously and combined with the rest of Otago and Southland the area has a total demand of between 900 and 1100 MW. The power stations in Otago and Southland have an installed capacity of of 1950 MW and median output of 1000 MW. The lines north from Otago and Southland have a maximum capacity of 680 MW, but they are being upgraded to 1080 MW.

      That means that without the smelter and even after the lines upgrade there will be many times that those lines will constrain and hydro stations will spill water. Jacinda Ardern and the Labour party have produced a policy that will overcome that issue. They want to investigate a pumped storage hydro station at Lake Onslow that will be big enough to take up this difference. As far as I am concerned this is their only decent energy policy. The opposition National Party argued against it without even looking at the numbers, but the further right ACT party at least said they would look at the numbers after the investigations were completed.

      Even with this extra 600 MW becoming available, only 400 MW could be transmitted north from area, so that would replace one of the two CCGT plants in the North Island. The proposed 860 MW Castle Hill wind farm would replace the existing 500 MW of installed coal burning plant which is already at the end of its economic life. But the other 400 MW CCGT, the 300 MW of gas fired peaking plant and the 150 MW of diesel fired peaking plant will all still be needed.

      • Malcolm Taylor
        October 25, 2020 at 9:50 pm

        Thanks for some useful factual data.
        Living on the Coromandel I worry quite a bit about a major volcanic eruption wrecking some of our hydro stations in the central North Island and the interconnector lines from the South Island not being adequate to keep us powered up. It could also take some time to clear all the HT lines of wet conductive ash.
        Thus I have a petrol generator and lots of fuel on hand just in case. I see panic setting in as fuel and food become unavailable. Just look at what happened with toilet paper!

  22. I’d like her or somebody to solve our 30 degree below normal temperatures and record snowfall problem.

  23. Could this prove to be a pyrrhic victory? I do not wish ill on the people of NZ and have family there but I believe that her covid strategy is going to prove in time to be a very costly exercise in political folly. Her political policies also undermine the promotion of individual responsibility and independence.

      • It took ten years after the bailout for many in Dublin to get back to where they were before the collapse. Sadly I believe the huge damage of our foolish politicians and their medical advisors is going to set us back at least a generation.

        With severely reduced income the government will possibly have to provide the same social and medical services with a reduction of income of 20% and more. People who have lost their jobs or seen their businesses collapse or had their salaries reduced are certainly in no position to pay more tax. The Greens will see their ambitions go up in smoke.

        Our politicians, that are essentially fifty shades of left, have become obsessive deniers that they are in any way responsible for this economic tsunami. Already we see moves for them to claim that their draconian measures have been a great success – irrespective of the extent of economic devastation not to mention lockdown deaths over a decade.

      • “bonbon October 24, 2020 at 8:45 am”

        I am fortunate that much of my superannuation funds are in another country, so the great AU bail-in won’t touch those funds. When the great “reset” happens in Aus many people are going to look foolish with multi-million dollar mortgages on worthless homes. Ahhh, but the Govn’t has that covered, import more migrants.

    • Time will prove you correct Michael ; we who this coming saw just hope that the experience causes the herd to recover their senses . . .slowly . .and one at a time.

  24. I live in Chicago USA, where thousands of businesses have gone into bankruptcy due to the lockdowns. The economic devastation of these misguided policies will last for years, as once your business is dead, bringing it back to life requires a miracle.

    So, my question is, who is responsible for this atrocity? Who decided it was a good idea to set up a lab in China to extract viruses from Bats? The virus did not come from fruit bats, also known as “flying foxes,” big enough to be good to eat. It came from tiny bats not sold at any “wet market.” Sure, let’s play around with viruses and try to make them more toxic, what could go wrong? “Gain-of-Function,” what a good idea. Greatest catastrophe in history short of WWII, if not actually worse.

    Was it someone from France? Someone from the WHO? It has been suggested on this site that it was Fauci himself.

    Who-Done-It? This person must be removed from any position of authority immediately if not sooner…

    • Who did Detroit? Then the did not have the virus idea to cover it .
      Home grown.Or home grown establishment.
      As Trump said that’s Biden’s mob, forever wars and globalization.

      There is still a chance to vote.

    • “Who-Done-It?”

      The work was done in a Chinese lab. The Chicoms allowed the Wuhan infection out of the nation while restricting travel internally.

      The Chicoms done it. And they did it deliberately. Now they are attempting to capitalize on the chaos they have caused, and threatening war in all directions.

      If the Chicoms want a war, they should just keep doing what they are doing, and they will get their war.

    • Peter Daszak
      At least 17 years playing with “Gain-of-Function”. Worked with Wuhan. CBS tried to make him a hero because Trump cut funding.

  25. . . . because, of course, no two things are more alike than COVID-19 and the climate crisis™.

    /sarc off

  26. Perhaps it is ballot harvesting like love lorn letters sent to the lonely with lip stick on it by prostitutes! For always a price.

  27. Well, we all new this was coming. What can be more important than saving people? Saving the planet of course.

  28. At the UN Climate Action Summit which was a City of London/Wall Street Anti-Industry Show, Finland’s President Sauli Niinistö and New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said their countries would complete these coal and nuclear “exits” even faster than Germany. Bloomberg tried to upstage them all.

    Looks like Jacinda and Angela are in the final lap ….

    The Swedish teen terror held theater, even Guterres seemed meek.

    Then the bankers spoke, with UN Climate Finance advisor Mark Carney setting the tone.

      • Michael Every , an economist at Rabobank H.K. , has already called the big short on the Au .s and NZ dollars .

    • She really hasn’t thought things through. Germany can at least call on neighboring countries to prop up their failing power supply.

      New Zealand is an island.

  29. My understanding is the Rockefeller Foundation targeted NZ as a model and the target site/country for their Agenda 21 promotion money because of it’s isolation, low population, and small government that would be easy to control/buy. Changes in NZ consistent with Agenda 21 have been going on for decades. When confronted with these facts denial sets in and conspiracy theory is claimed. It’s part of the Globalization and One World Government promoted by the UN.

    • That’s exactly how the thinking class in NZ sees it.
      Unfortunately the herd has been spooked, and it will take some time for them to recover their wits. See the comment from Simple Simon below.
      Absolutely witless.

  30. There’s a saying in economics: “The solution to high prices is high prices”. Obviously, NZ hasn’t had enough of Liberalism yet. Another round, especially with a stronger dose, will probably (hopefully) do the trick. NZ isn’t the USA, where Libs can abandon a blue city or state they’ve destroyed and move to a red one.

    • there is always Australia where in normal times we each have pretty free rights to move and work. ANZCERTA is probably the most comprehensive FTA in the world.

  31. Chanting hymns of triumph and virtue, urged forward by a fairy princess, New Zealand digs its own grave.

    • Pat Frank
      “Chanting hymns of triumph and virtue, urged forward by a fairy princess……
      You patronising old twat. Did you see the her the night she addressed the nation after 50 of the countries citizens were slaughters by a terorist (with a semi automatic rifle)? That was the speech of a leader, who at a time of horrific national trauma united the people when it most needed it. Can I suggest you stop wasting peoples time with your childish, vile, sexist comments and slink back to your slime hole.

      • Oh dear, Simple Simon has been triggered . Are you alright , snowflake?
        Run to Princess , and she will make it all better.
        And you can have your very own column on the media outlet that she bought especially for people like you (not because she needed to brainwash the sheeple) .

      • Reply to Simon.
        I have never agreed with any thing that Simon has written untill this post.
        I am a 4th generation New Zealander and I did not vote for the New Zealand Labour Party and I never have .
        But the results of this election were never in doubt after the Christchurch Mosque shooting and then the Covid 19 response .
        For months during our lockdown at 1PM most days of the week Jacinda was on National TV .
        Millions watched and our death toll was 25 with somewhere around 1500 cases and slowly rising with returning citizens and Russian fishermen testing positive .
        What a great re,election platform for any leader .
        The New Zealand First party has been annihilated and Winston Peters is finished which is entirely his own fault as he has run with the hares and hunted with the hounds .
        We have a system here called MMP which puts far to much power into minor parties and many voted for NZ First three years ago in the hope that they would form a government with the party with the most seats which was National but although he was originally a National Party MP he went with Labour ,and the Greens .
        The Labour government will struggle from now on as they are short of members with life skills and are driven by ideology .
        If these two events had never happened this Labour Government would have been a one term government as they were quite incompetent with the Green Party pushing them down the road of zero carbon .
        Our Tourism has been decimated but people around the world need our food exports and for the record . NEW ZEALAND HAS NO SUBSIDIES ON AGRICULTURE
        Our dairy and meat and wine are still sought after and I am sure our fruit will still be if we can get enough fruit pickers from overseas .
        Logs and sawn timber are moving out of all ports .
        My prediction is that New Zealanders will wake up ,and they already are that we need exports and that our farming , fruit growing ,wine making and forestry will help them get out of this hole that Covid 19 has created .
        I cannot see this government getting reelected in three years unless they distance them selves from the Greens and moderate their stance on climate change and zero carbon .
        Graham
        Proud to still be farming feeding the world .

        • “… our farming , fruit growing ,wine making and forestry will help them get out of this hole that Covid 19 has created .”

          You had better hope so. Destroying tourism will set the economy back severely.

        • Gwan
          October 24, 2020 at 4:35 pm

          Good comment Graham but I have to disagree that Jacinda and her lot will ever “distance them selves from the Greens and moderate their stance on climate change and zero carbon”. It would be nice but I don’t believe in the tooth fairy!

      • That was a pretty vile response Simon. No one in his right mind would deny the tragedy of that massacre.

        But there was no terrorist attack, that simply suits your own political agenda. The man that committed this atrocity was and is mentally ill, not in his right mind.

        What stands out as opportunistic, is that people like you pull out a label for this man to make it about politics. You have turned the crime of a single man into an ‘us and them’ rhetoric. You deliberately imply that people of a different political opinion were not deeply moved by this tragedy, that their belief system is different to yours and somehow makes them complicit. How dare you.

        I don’t deny that as the leader of her country Jacinda Ardern was compelled to reach out to the people of New Zealand. It was difficult to watch the aftermath unfold on MSM. I don’t doubt that Jacinda herself was deeply moved.

        The one mistake that she made at that time, was that over a period of weeks after the event she chose to wear the hijab. Why would she do that? She is not a Muslim and this was a disingenuous thing to do. Not only that it was divisive, she implied that she aligned with the terrorist narrative. She insulted a large proportion of her population. She herself made it an ‘us and them’ scenario and she wanted to appear heroic.

        The sympathy was most definitely appropriate, making it political was wrong.

        • Megs, “The one mistake that she made at that time, was that over a period of weeks after the event she chose to wear the hijab.

          I understand your dismay, Megs.

          The hijab is a visible symbol of the subjugation of women. Islam is violently patriarchal in its warp and weft.

          Even a Muslim woman who voluntarily wears a hijab in public is advertising that she is unfit to go bareheaded in the sight of (her) god. Girls are traumatized to think themselves unworthy, and it carries into their adulthood.

          Secular women who wear the hijab to express solidarity with Muslims, instead signal their acceptance of the suppression of women and acquiescence in their own subjugation. Some women understand. Others are self-blinded. Jacinda Ardern seems of the latter sort.

          For those who’d dispute that analysis, Ibn Warraq’s “Why I am Not a Muslim,”

      • MODS

        Some of the words I used in response Simon may have triggered a review. I have a family member of 22 years originally from Pakistan, who is of the Islamic faith. I consider him to be a wonderful man.

        Could you please consider my comment? It was only in response to Simon’s rhetoric.

    • Those of us with some critical facilities undamaged by the incessant assault on reason that typifies the chirping of this bird-brained incompetent posing as a leader, agree with you that we face a perilous situation.
      The only reassurance we have is the fact that Jacinda’s government has proven itself totally incompetent ; it will likely fail in every one of its objectives.
      We must be grateful for small mercies.

    • There were many movies of that ilk filmed in New Zealand Pat. A very fitting comment, she’s playing a role.

      • Thank-you, Megs, though I have no knowledge of the movie ilkness to which you refer. 🙂

        I’ve met a few New Zealanders, and worked with one. They’re good folk. I’m just sorry to see climate insanity be their undoing.

        • I totally agree Pat, the same applies in most countries. Good people just wanting to live their lives. If you haven’t been to New Zealand, I recommend a visit if and of course when you can, the south island is particularly beautiful.

          The movies I was referring to were The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I think that Cate Blanchett played a character in the second movie that Arden would aspire to be like.

          No offence intended to my neighbors in NZ.

    • Wrong sex, Simon.

      Isn’t it attentive of you to wax wroth over a massacre of Muslims, in response to a comment concerning the willful destruction of a civilization. I.e., the “ambitious climate policies of Jacinda Ardern and her Green coalition partners,

      Any connection between massacre and criticism of climate policy is only in your mind, Simon, where it is apparent that many monsters slither and co-mingle.

      Ambitious climate policies analogous to those of Jacinda Ardern and her Green coalition partners, have already killed thousands per year in the UK, as excess Winter fuel poverty deaths.

      Are you wroth over those deaths, too, Simon? Just as certainly the result of massacre. Or are you (much more likely) just opportunistically wroth?

      I am continually reminded of George Orwell’s insight, on fighting in the Spanish civil war. He realized that if he were not as outraged over Communist atrocities as he was over Fascist atrocities, then it wasn’t the atrocities he was outraged about. One observes examples of that politically selective morality everywhere.

      That’s you, Simon. Selective moralizing outrage to suit your politics.

      • Pat Frank
        You don’t have to agree with Adern’s policies, but anyone with an ounce of political sense can see she is a strong and committed leader. In fact NZ has been blessed with three quaity leaders this century, which is why the country is in such a good place.
        Calling her a “fairy princess” is the kind of sexist and patronising comment that says more about you as a person, than her as a political figure.

        • Simon. She is good at getting up in front of the cameras and flapping her gums which the females loved but apart from that she has achieved very little.
          If it hadn’t been for the two crises and the Greens the election would have been a totally different story. National were very weak too.

        • Simon, thank-you for toning down your rhetoric. You now have me merely sexist and patronizing, rather than an intimate female body part.

          Your Jacinda Ardern is living in a green fantasy land. Doing so makes her a fairy princess. You don’t like it, but the description is contextually appropriate.

          Her preferred green energy policies, if imposed, will be the ruination of New Zealand. You’ll find neither comfort nor praiseworthiness there.

          I enjoyed the irony of you calling me a sexist, when it is you who employed an intimate female body part as a pejorative. That is the classical sexism of the irredeemable patriarch. Just ask any feminist.

          And you indulged age prejudice to boot. It’s your personal traits on display here, Simon, not mine.

          You’re a kettle fit to call no pot black, Simon.

  32. The writer of the article shows how truth can be so badly distorted.
    The election result was not an endorsement of her green policies at all.
    It was obvious to most that National was not going to make it and so a large number of national voters voted for labour in order to keep out the loony greens. This has been borne out by subsequent analysis of the voting patterns.
    If she comes to any formal agreement with the Greens or as any green ministers then those votes will turn against her at the next election.

    • Thanks Peter. I was waiting for someone from NZ to bring this up. Early analysis of how people placed their party vote in our MMP system suggested that with the polls suggesting a swing away from the poor performing National Party who had been in charge for 9 years up to 2017, that many former National Party voters went with Labour, even in rural electorates, just to keep the loony Greens out of government! Only time will tell if this Labour Govt. will risk cossying up to the Greens, even if they aren’t sitting at the cabinet table! If rural NZ really did vote that way for that reason then they are bigger gamblers than I thought. NZ has a history of landslide swings at General Election times, especially in the period 1972-1984. That was when we had the “First Past the Post” system. That period was probably a driver in NZ opting for MMP in the mid 1990’s!

  33. Hun, if you follow that advice, you stand a good chance of finding your pretty head upon a spike…

    Why……
    The cops have had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54672947

    People have had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-54674924

    Business has had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54369809

    The environment has had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54057799

    Local councils, kids & media have had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-54669888

    Even Sputnik has had enough
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54672691
    (I would not trust NASA to babysit a bunny-rabbit – let alone be any sort of authority on science, or even anti-science AKA Climate Change Theory

    Just from the last few days on the Beeb.

    Somewhere in that hideous morass of Grauniad Regurgitation/vomit, there is a report saying that local/regional councils are in some sort of bizarre competition with each other to lay down the most draconian and stoooopid Pythonesque restrictions.

    what a mess

  34. Where will they get the money? That’s the whole point of climate alarmism, because with debt based currency, the banks always need to generate more debt in order to create the money to pay off the old debt. The new debt has to be created by some means for some reason. So in the absence of war time debt generation, even with a perfectly efficient economic system in place, everything has to be torn up and replaced with something else. How else to you rationalize a massive borrowing and spending program. There’s already so much debt in the world that anything much over zero percent interest and you bankrupt the whole thing. They’re talking about permanent bonds to pay for it all, as in, not 10 year bonds, not 30 year bonds, they now will run to infinity. So all the future generations will be making interest payments on decisions made today for all of eternity.

    • They are going to do that, in any case, Chris. Whether you structure it as a perpetuity (consol) or roll over the debt periodically to new bonds.

    • The fundamental exchange mechanism of humanity is barter, i.e. trade of goods and/or services. That is the basis for real economics. Higher productivity results in prosperity. Money is a human invention that makes barter or trade more convenient. Printing more of it dilutes the buying power of existing money and does nothing for prosperity

  35. Our (NZCOVID policy just defers the problem, doesn’t solve it at all. Jacinda has done 2 lockdowns with apparent success, with Winston (her previous coalition partner) getting her to end the lockdowns at the conclusion when others were still wanting them to continue. Jacinda will do longer & harder lockdowns in future because it’s all she knows and no-one will hold her back next time.

    We do have hydro power for 70% of our needs but NZ gets complacent and doesn’t build any more. Care of our electric grid was not on the agenda in the election just concluded.

  36. New Zealand might have achieved victory over Covid with their early, hard lockdown

    This Is STUNNING: Mandates (incl Masks) CAUSE Deaths

    Japan never locked down. Nor did they ever impose a mask mandate (there is no legal authority to do it.) They’ve recorded 95,138 cases and 1,694 deaths across a population of 126 million people.

    We know a few things about Japan; first and foremost, they’re an incredibly hygienic population by “Western” standards, and miles ahead of any of the “turd world” nations. Bidets are common in Japanese homes. There has been a significant “second wave” of cases in Japan starting early July, mirroring what we are seeing in other temperature climates worldwide.

    But — while there has been some death it’s remarkably small.

    • It would be interesting to see comparative blood work of an average sample of inhabitants from say Taiwan, Japan, NZ compared to some of the countries with very high Covid19 death rates. Of course ease of quarantining with Islands would be part of the equation but the Island diets with a high intake of seafood would ensure adequate mineral intake. High Selenium blood level is protective against Ebola and HIV and other viruses for instance, and Zinc keeps cropping up in preventive measures for corona viruses in general.

  37. Once again proving that to the left, politics solves everything. After that, when politics doesn’t solve the crisis, it just means the wrong person was in charge, and poof! goes the nice lady.

  38. ‘Bye ‘bye, New Zealand. You had a good run while it lasted.
    The Chinese will enjoy the nice country you left them.

    • The rot started in NZ after it lost ties to the mother country, the UK, in the 70’s. I guarantee you most of those who voted Labour were on some sort of benefit. But then again, the candidates for National were pretty weak.

  39. I wish the worst for them. Another country I’ll never care to visit. Pretty I hear, but there is HD vid to view that. Idiots all.

  40. I Live in the Deep South of New Zealand, the main problem we got here is climate refugees from England and South Africa coming in and buying up our homes, as a result its very difficult to find rented accommodation any more.
    We used to have a lot of Asian and Afghan Refugees but its too cold down here for them.
    The main comment you will get from the Imports is , is it always this cold down here? As the closest place to Antarctica the Answer is YES dumb ass, during the equinox its really windy all the time (Trees Blown Over Windy) during the winter its either Raining or Snowing and always cold, then theres the Floods.
    Summer sees days where it can hit 30 Degs, but thats rare, mostly stays in the 20s remember its Celsius here.
    If your thinking of emigrating to NZ DONT, it wasnt so long ago that the natives ate people and they still look like Cannibals, and its not called the Shaky Isles for nothing, frequent earth quakes are a major hazard, along with an Active Volcanic North Island.
    Then theres the Dumb ass Green Labor Governed Capital City Auckland, congested, polluted and A Socialist
    Hellhole, as a South Islander (Mainlander) I dont go there, it sucks big Time.
    Banning Automatic weapons has led to a steep increase in Gang related gun crime, The Aussies deported all the Gang bangers here and they now roam the highways pushing drugs and having shoot outs on the high ways killing innocent civilians and cops in the cross fire.
    Basically they try to treat us as the English treated them back in the 18th century, of course they still cant beat us in sports, hence the bitterness and spite they pore upon us constantly, oh well if i lived in a snake infected, constantly burning desert with out reliable power supplies id probably hate us too.
    Conclusion, DONT MOVE HERE, when food supplies start running out we will definitely eat you first.

  41. Several locked down states in Australia have opened up borders to NZers. There will be an influx of NZers arriving in Aus over the next couple of years. Why? I have no idea as it’s just as bad here, might be slightly better job options, but they don’t pay the wages you need to buy small homes for over AU$1mil.

  42. Here in NZ I’m not sure there is even one party we could vote for that hasn’t swallowed the climate change Koolaid. The most ‘reasonable’ party on this issue would be ACT, and even they think we need to toss away $1.4bn each year (Paris agreement obligation) because other countries expect us to. Sigh.
    Given the result of the election (increased vote for the Greens and Labour), it seems that a large number of the public have drunk it too.
    It seems we’re going to have to learn the hard way.

  43. Living in NZ for 77 years I can safely say that 1 in 10 of the comments above show some understanding of NZ the rest should be disregarded.
    We have one major problem as regards Climate and the the Green agenda. Ninety seven percent of the population is mathematically, scientifically, economically and engineering illiterate at the level need to understand what is happening and what the implications will be. The political classes of all parties in NZ are 100% illiterate in the knowledge required to form policy (should it be needed to solve any problem) not just Climate.
    The coalition of Leftists, Greens and NZF over the past 3 years have achieved nothing, they couldn’t even build houses let alone solve an imagined climate problem. Their solution to the so called climate problem was to copy the UK model (God help us) with an ETS scheme and Zero Carbon Act. Economically these policies are the exact opposite to what is required for an economic recovery from the “lock down” debt crisis we face.
    Our share of the Paris Agreement to change the temperature of the earth by policy means is 5/100,000th of a degree C over the next 10 years. Please Jacinda tell me what the increase in poverty in New Zealand will be for you to achieve this over your next 3 years of governance.
    New Zealanders are very resourceful and resilient, we will cope, but we don’t need ideologically driven governance by show ponies on the international stage . We need soundly growth based scientific and economic management that minimises the cost of debt recovery for the poor and middle class. Anything less is unacceptable.
    How many times do we have to experiment with command and control Socialism before we realise that while Capitalism is not perfect Socialism has and will always be a failure. Our left voting youth weren’t born when the Berlin wall fell and capitalist West Germany was left to deal with the economic and environmental mess in East Germany. Let that be a lesson. History is about to repeat itself under our new socialist Government. I wish for my grandchildren’s sake it weren’t true but I fear it will be, because egos get in way of changing direction when the facts change.

    • Very well written Kevin.
      100% in agreement with what you have portrayed .
      We get numerous news reports of the under privileged and the number of people in poverty are increasing here in New Zealand.
      A government should have policies in place that help every one of their citizens achieve education ,work and housing .
      The last thing on their agenda should be things like the Paris agreement which will only make New Zealanders poorer (or any countries citizens that go down that road ).
      New Zealand has a very large amount of electricity generated by renewables and our emissions from fossil fuels are very low per capita.
      Can any of you educated people explain how enteric methane from farmed livestock and log and timber exports can and are counted as New Zealands GHG emissions ?
      Take time to think and look at this in a fair manner and you will understand what I am saying.
      The theory of global warming is that we are extracting fossil fuel that has been locked up beneath the ground for millions of years .
      Enteric methane is a closed cycle and all fodder that animals consume has absorbed CO2 and the tiny amount of methane released during digestion breaks down in 8 to 10 years into CO2 and water vapour. Plantation forestry absorbs CO2 from the atmosphere over 28 to 30 years and it could take up to 100 years untill all the timber is burnt to return it to the atmosphere , it is a cycle and cannot and can never increase the level of CO2 or methane in the atmosphere .
      Some how the Greens classify all logging as New Zealands emissions even though 70% of our harvest is exported as logs or sawn timber .
      Does Saudi Arabia export oil and count that as their emissions ?
      Of course not ,this whole GHG emissions makes absolutely no sense but the UN could not care less as this is just an excuse to push for world government and the destruction of capitalism .
      Graham

  44. mimic covid response? New Zealand locked down (twice I believe because lockdowns works so well, why dont we lockdown a second time… masks work so well, that a second lockdown was required) and had the worst economic downturn on record as far as I’m aware. The island country is still closed to outsiders (unless that’s changed recently). with such success against covid, imagine the damage they can do with a similar global warming response. pathetic…. but New Zealanders voted for it so they must know something outsiders don’t.

  45. I am normally a National voter, but poles indicated a Labor / Green coalition looked certain, so voted Labor in the hope that Labor could govern with out being dragged further to the left by the greens.

    From commentary in the media prior to the election, many others took the same view.

    As to healing the nation….. in their echo chamber they healed, but deepened the rifts of those how live outside the echo chamber

  46. Why don’t some of you who are commenting from afar learn a little before you shoot your mouths and put your foot in it .
    Most of the ill informed content is about our lock downs but our dairy and meat processing plants kept working which was not the case in many other countries .
    I know for a fact that a large vegetable wholesaler in Scotland were shut down because they had some staff test positive.
    Their protests were overruled and super markets went short and vegetables wasted in the fields .
    This never happened here in New Zealand as agriculture was designated an essential industry but logging was halted as port workers only worked to load essentials and perishables .
    Some of you commenting here seem to think that New Zealanders are soft and can be pushed around .
    You have sure got that wrong .
    How many times have the All blacks won the Rugby world Cup ?
    How many times have we won the Americas Cup for Yachting which we currently hold and we are holding the Regatta races in Auckland this New Zealand summer .
    For a country of 5 million we do very well against countries with far larger populations .
    It is very easy to sit overseas and criticize but are you still in lockdown or if not you are still admitting people to hospital with Covid 19.
    We are not in lock down and our total death toll is 25 and the majority were from a Christchurch rest home that were infected by a visitor from a cruise liner that had an Italian crew member flown out from Italy to join the cruise and that person infected a number of passengers and crew and the liner was quarantined when it arrived back in Sydney .
    I take issue with some Aussie comments concerning lock downs and I would say you know very little of what has gone on .
    On my many visits to Auz I have met people there that think that NZ would be just the same as Auz and have no desire to venture across the Tasman Sea ,but it is very different once you get out of the cities .
    A friend traveled from New Zealand to attend her son in laws funeral and despite there being no community transmissions in New Zealand but fairly rampant in Sydney she was locked down for 14 days but was let out to attend the funeral for 3 hours .
    She will have to be isolated for 2 weeks when she comes back here .
    Life here is just about back to normal except there are no overseas tourists driving down the wrong side of the road that happened quite frequently .Despite that they will be missed and I am sure that you would not be disappointed with a holiday or tour of New Zealand .
    Graham

    • Don’t get too defensive Graham. New Zealand is a beautiful country, I’ve been there and I’d recommend people visit, when they can. And they can expect a warm welcome.

      We’re all feeling pretty ordinary right now, unsure about the future. We need to be a little bit kinder to each other.

      • Thanks Megs ,
        I am just trying to tell things as they are.
        A lot of those commenting above are made by people before they put their brain into gear .
        Some of the comments are stupid and vile and how would those same people react when the results of the US election are broadcast and no matter who wins you will get commentators talking up the end of life as they know it .
        New Zealanders will soon wake up and the Government is well aware that if they don’t perform they will be dumped in 3 year time and that will happen .
        Graham

        • There are always going to be people who didn’t like the way an election went Graham. There are always going to be people angry at the result and some don’t deal with it well.

          I think New Zealand have come off lightly compared to compare to the likely reaction in America next week. I personally hope that Trump is returned but there will no doubt be ugly scenes if he is, or if he isn’t. The situation in America is so much more volatile. The stakes are high and there is alot to lose.

          • Ugly scenes will only happen if Trump isnt re-elected …. spured by the only candidate who wont accept defeat.. which is crazy when you think as it will encourage his opponents to get to vote in a country that can have low turnouts compared to most other western countries

          • Duker. I just don’t know what you are on about. You already have ugly scenes in the USA and it isn’t from the right. Time to take those rose tinted glasses off.

  47. I wonder what NZ would look like today if that labor strike among dock workers in WW2 had held up the move on Guadalcanal by American forces in halting Imperial Japan. The arrow of time has a lot of bends in it that are lost and mostly forgotten.

    • There are a lot of people in a new generation of NZers who are ignorant of the fact that their very existance is owed to the US Marines in the Pacific… their grandfathers would have been butchered or starved to death in Jap concentration camps. Take heart… history will not be forgotten.

      • Mack
        October 26, 2020 at 4:57 am

        Yes, you’re quite right about the lack of historical knowledge. However in school now they get lots of Maori lore and stories about cuddly whales and trees instead! Not much real science. The kids (and politicians) can lecture you for hours about how terrible we and our CO2 are. I fear for the future…

      • A Quick history lesson for Mack and Resource guy.
        New Zealanders served in both World Wars on the other side of the world and during WW2 the USA was sitting on the sideline not actively fighting untill the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor .
        New Zealanders and Australians fought along side American soldiers in the Pacific and the American Military had bases in New Zealand .
        Get your facts right before blowing your mouth off .
        Britain and her allies were fighting to stop the Nazis and the USA was not prepared to declare war untill Pearl Harbor although they helped with aid and supplies .
        Graham

  48. As a New Zealander, I must admit I was extremely saddened, but not surprised by the results of
    The swing to give Labour and Arden such a decisive win seems to have been driven by tactical voting by many National Supporters (on the right).
    With New Zealand’s truly weird proportional representation system MMP, the Green Party held incredible sway in the previous Government and many rural National Supporters appear to have switched allegiance simply to keep the Greens away from power. MMP provides for around 50% of MP’s to be elected via a local constituency, and the other 50% via Proportional Representation of the particular party.
    With JacinaArdern appearing almost daily on TV screens explaining how well she was dealing with Covid, teh other parties just didn’t stand a chance.
    Add to that the massive spending the Government spread aroujn like confetti, with $100m given to Maoridom just 2 weeks out from Election Day. But in New Zealand, voting starts early, and money was being spread even after voting had started.
    And PS, Maori never had a collective name for New Zealand. Aotearoa is a modern invention being adopted by Maori along with a hybrid language they like to call Te Reo.

    • I don’t know where you are from resource guy but that is a stupid comment .
      Brain not engaged when mouth opens .
      New Zealanders are fiercely independent and at one time it was suggested that we become a state of Australia but that soon got kicked to touch.
      We sell our produce to the highest bidder .
      Have you never heard of the Global Dairy Auction set up by Fonterra and held twice a month every month of the year . This sets the price for all dairy products traded on world markets and we have to export to the world to be able to import goods that can be manufactured cheaper somewhere overseas
      A lot of our cheaper cuts of meat have been sold to China because their pork industry has been decimated with swine fever .
      We do have a defense treaty with Australia and the USA called ANZUS so I don’t know who is pulling your chain .
      Graham

      • Quote “New Zealanders are fiercely independent”
        Can I change that? “New Zealanders were fiercely independent”
        With the immigration we have had we just aren’t the same country any more. In the small country town I live in within the small block I live in I am starting to feel that the Chinese are taking over and I am curious as to why it is happening. It is also interesting that it is just about always the Chinese females that face the public and never the males. Part of the reason could be that the females pick up language better than the males. This little street has changed so much it is unrecognisable from fifty years ago when it almost wasn’t.

        • “always the Chinese females…”

          Aahahahaha…. of course it’s always females who have to face the public… it’s much easier to get spin and propaganda out from the velvety lips of a woman…. it’s the corporate thing to do… push a woman up front to face the music. Trouble is, in NZ, the whole government has been taken over by Maori and women. The age of the pale, stale, male, looks to be in severe permanant jeopardy . Trump is our only hope.
          We’ve just got to harden the f.. up, and get used to it. Think of Billy Connolly’s wisdom…. “The mere fact you aspire to be a politician should preclude you from being one”

  49. Correction 1. Aotearoa was not the original Maori name for NZ. A few North Island tribes used it as a name for the North Island. Maori did not have a name for the NZ archipelago. Aotearoa was first used by Europeans . We should have asked Maori to provide a new Maori name.
    Correction 2. The election wasn’t a landslide. The sycophantic media puffed it up.
    Correction 3. Adhern has to learn how to get things done. Her first term was a very, very bad by any measure, except for her spin ability and her Covid work which she did moderately well, but at the cost of the economy.
    One of our Aussie mates suggested we migrate. Count me in because I dread the future. I am currently at one of our normally vibrant tourist destinations and it is dead. Suicide and depression by farmers is high, and crops can’t be picked because Jacinda won’t let our foreign agricultural workers come in. And some export crop prices are shaky.

    • “Kiwirealist October 25, 2020 at 11:25 pm

      One of our Aussie mates suggested we migrate. Count me in because I dread the future.”

      To Aus? Don’t be too hasty…it’s just as bad here, and when you arrive you are a “second class” temporary resident (444 visa).

  50. Well that photo proves that the Tooth Fairy really does exist. Pity she’s presently resident in EnZed.

  51. Regardless of the arguments for and against green energy, the comment in the article:

    “The original Maori inhabitants’ name for New Zealand, Aotearoa, means “land of the long white cloud”. This is a fair description of New Zealand’s normal weather, especially during New Zealand’s long, cold winters, so solar power is probably a non starter.”

    This is incorrect. NZ does not have long, cold winters. Our winters are relatively short and in fact solar power works very well in this country.

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