NYT Admits WHO Coronavirus Travel Advice “was about politics and economics more than public health”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

h/t Breitbart; A rare admission from New York Times that defying expert advice, and closing borders in the face of the Covid outbreak was the right thing to do. According to the NYT, the World Health Organization’s bad advice was based on politics, economics and speculative mathematical models not based on real world data, which turned out to be deeply flawed.



By Selam GebrekidanKatrin BennholdMatt Apuzzo and David D. Kirkpatrick

The World Health Organization said open borders would help fight disease. Experts, and a global treaty, emphatically agreed. But the scientific evidence was never behind them.

When the coronavirus emerged in China in January, the World Health Organization didn’t flinch in its advice: Do not restrict travel.

But what is now clear is that the policy was about politics and economics more than public health.

Public health records, scores of scientific studies and interviews with more than two dozen experts show the policy of unobstructed travel was never based on hard science. It was a political decision, recast as health advice, which emerged after a plague outbreak in India in the 1990s. By the time Covid-19 surfaced, it had become an article of faith.

It’s part of the religion of global health: Travel and trade restrictions are bad,” said Lawrence O. Gostin, a professor of global health law at Georgetown University who helped write the global rules known as the International Health Regulations. “I’m one of the congregants.”

Covid-19 has shattered that faith. Before the pandemic, a few studies had demonstrated that travel restrictions delayed, but did not stop, the spread of SARSpandemic flu and Ebola. Most, however, were based on mathematical models. No one had collected real-world data. The effect of travel restrictions on the spread of the latest coronavirus is still not understood.

As scientists worldwide race to make a vaccine, understanding the role of travel in a pandemic — and what types of restrictions could prove effective — is also critical, if likely to take much longer. This month, the W.H.O. began another review of the international health regulations.

Dr. Heymann, who helped shape the last revision, acknowledges that the current regulations “are not fit for purpose on travel and trade.”

“More and more,” Dr. Heymann said, “we’re understanding that there are some times when travel and trade might need to be restricted.

Read more: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/world/europe/ski-party-pandemic-travel-coronavirus.html

The rest of the NYT article is well worth a read, it provides a lot of context to their assertion the WHO made a scientifically unsound call.

President Trump likely saved countless lives, by closing the US border to China in early February, against WHO advice – advice we now know was deeply flawed. Even slowing a dangerous disease down saves lives, by reducing the risk of overwhelming hospital and medical services.

At the time of the border closure, President Trump faced widespread criticism, including an attack from Democrat candidate Joe Biden, who accused Trump of “Xenophobia”.

While I applaud the New York Times admitting the WHO let everyone down, I would have been more impressed had NYT taken an extra step, and discussed the implications of this revelation for US policy.

Politicians who advocate placing blind faith in experts, without demanding a personal review and evaluating the evidence for themselves, leave their nations at the mercy of groupthink, institutional incompetence and hidden agendas, as the shameful exposure of the WHO’s inept handling of Covid-19 has demonstrated.

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October 4, 2020 6:14 am

Ghalfrunt should be along soon with a well-worn timeline to contradict this rare veritas from the Times. I’d just like to preemptively add my own well-worn 2 cents to address it:


and then:


Reply to  sycomputing
October 4, 2020 8:10 am

Thanks for the invite! But here’s a better investigation

Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
October 4, 2020 9:06 am

Ghalfrunt also told people to drink bleach.

Very sad person.

Reply to  Derg
October 4, 2020 11:19 am

“Ghalfrunt also told people to drink bleach”
No that was Trump and I see the big guy never misses a chance to promote his investments.

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 11:34 am

You are a liar Simon. Ghalfrunt stated it and Trump never said it. You, however, were wrong.

Simon: Trump has done nothing to stop Covid.

World: he instituted the travel ban

Simon: well that was Xenophobic

World: ahhh Simon suffers from TDS.

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 2:08 pm

“Trump has done nothing to stop Covid.” That performance by his family at the debate the other day when they defied the ruling to wear a mask, highlights the level of commitment the Trumps have to fighting the virus. i.e 0.
And Trump talked about injecting disinfectant, it is on tape. Watch it hear at 25 seconds

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 2:22 pm

Simon and Ghalfrunt are known liars…Simon you should be ashamed too.

Smart Rock
Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 3:17 pm

Doesn’t anybody understand that Trump was joking?

He was also joking when he said that covid cases were going up because the number of tests was going up, so maybe we should stop testing.

What a bunch of humourless twits.

I have the impression that he makes these jokes because he enjoys winding up his opponents and their media lapdogs, who were all at the back of the queue when a sense of humour was being handed out.

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 3:39 pm

Smart Rock
He wasn’t joking when he talked about injecting disinfectant. Watch it.

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 4:49 pm

Simon is not bright and a known liar.

Trump didn’t do the travel ban fast enough 😉

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 7:20 pm

The passage on the tape which you rely upon to “prove” Trump urged millions of Americans to rush out and buy disinfectant and syringes and inject themselves is –
“ And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute.And is there a way we can do something like that by injecting inside or almost a cleaning?
So it would be interesting to check that.”
This was in a wide ranging and, in typical Trump fashion, a rambling discourse.
It was a thought bubble, one characteristic of President Trump.
However it was in truth an analogy to the possibility of something being found to internally “disinfect” the virus.
A retardant?
A vaccine?
“Something like that?”
Now it has become an urban myth egged on by much of the media.
As you say, read what he said.

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 7:34 pm

“It was a thought bubble, one characteristic of President Trump.
However it was in truth an analogy to the possibility of something being found to internally “disinfect” the virus.
A retardant?
A vaccine?
“Something like that?””
You cut him a lot of slack in my opinion. I think it was a typical bonehead Trump statement that should be considered when evaluating just how clever he really is. Which, is not very….

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 9:26 pm

Firstly, ‘Stuff’ is hardly a reliable source. They are one of those ‘science is settled’ organisations that has banned any content which ‘denies catastrophic global warming’ (my wording, I’m not prepared to torture myself to go and look theirs up). They also suffer from collective severe Orange Man Bad TDS, so have no credibility on any discussion about Trump.

Secondly, in that video, Trump is talking following a more technical discussion by a medical professional who used the term ‘injected’ multiple times; not as in an intravenous injection, but as in ‘introduced’ or ‘added to the experiment’. Trump was just continuing with the same meaning of the word ‘inject’. No reasonable person, having seen the whole presentation, would ever conclude there was a suggestion of doing any ‘drinking’ or ‘intravenous injection’ of anything.

(although funnily enough, I believe it turned out there is actually a company developing intravenous ultra-violet light technology)

Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 10:11 pm

I’m surprised nobody noticed that disinfectants ARE used on medicine… just not for COVID.

Louis Hunt
Reply to  Simon
October 4, 2020 10:12 pm

Why do people assume he meant bleach? Alcohol is also a disinfectant. Whiskey was used to disinfect wounds in the old West because that was often all they had available.

John Endicott
Reply to  Simon
October 6, 2020 5:48 am

Why? Because TDS sufferers look for anything they can to bash the bad orange man with, even though it requires them taking things out of context and twisting them beyond recognition.

Reply to  Derg
October 4, 2020 10:27 pm

“And is there a way we can do something like that by injecting inside or almost a cleaning?”
It seems Simon doesn’t understand a question mark (?). A question not a statement.(!)

Thomas Englert
Reply to  lee
October 4, 2020 10:41 pm

The disinfectant method referred to by Trump is likely the IV use of highly diluted hydrogen peroxide.

Reply to  lee
October 5, 2020 1:57 pm

I understand a question. It was a dumb one that’s the point. No normal president would ask it. But then…

Reply to  lee
October 5, 2020 6:23 pm

Simon October 5, 2020 at 1:57 pm
I understand a question. It was a dumb one that’s the point. No normal president would ask it. But then…
this is exactly the point – No one in their right mind would consider asking a researcher to investigate injection of disinfectant as used on hands. People have been admitted to ER having tried it.
UVlight – trumps sun bed has obviously failed him. penetration depth is small UVB 10-20um and to kill all the viruses you would have to penetrate lung tissue etc. With minimal damage to tissue.

Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
October 5, 2020 7:17 pm

People have been admitted to ER having tried it.

If the two of you were able to resist the temptation to try it, then those who did are hopeless regardless.


Reply to  lee
October 5, 2020 11:36 pm

The injection of disinfectants has been used; as long ago as 1920.

Hydrogen peroxide is a disinfectant. It has been used for Influenzal Pneumonia.



John Endicott
Reply to  lee
October 6, 2020 5:55 am

People have been admitted to ER having tried it.

Well, clearly the ER helped you out after you did so, as here you still are. Not sure if that requires praising or panning the ER personal 😉

Reply to  Derg
October 6, 2020 8:08 am
Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
October 4, 2020 9:42 am

So I’m assuming you’d argue that the author of this video dealt with the ruling by China’s highest court that Wuhan authorities were wrong to silence Li as per the following:

“‘It might have been a fortunate thing if the public had believed the “rumors” then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitization measures, and avoid the wild animal market,’ the top court’s social media account said on Tuesday.”


Can you find that particular section in the video, by chance? I didn’t catch it.

Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
October 4, 2020 4:50 pm

Your best friends, right?

October 4, 2020 6:24 am

Biden is now in favor of banning air travel then.

Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 7:58 am

October 4, 2020 at 6:24 am

It is Biden showing clearly that he is siding with the criminals.

Banning air travel when that is not needed is pretty damaging … for the recovery of the economy and the way of life.

And that comes from the guy who stood by the criminals in support against such banning when desperately needed.

Banning of air travel at that early time really really saved a lot of lives.

It was an act of isolation and quarantining against a very fatal infection condition.
As you may know this did not work against the non fatal COVID-19, the pandemic one, but it did help with containing the further spreading of the very fatal “COVID-19”, the non pandemic one and one that was very “discriminatory”… completely different from the non fatal COVID-19 of this novel corona virus infection.

The fatal one was not with any high or meaningful epidemic vector penetration in consideration of population, but still dangerous at any little extra penetrations, as it being too fatal.
Proper isolation and quarantining of the most vulnerable from such condition will be effective, and in the case of proposition of global travel and such spreading means… that where it must have started.

But you see, the criminals were not happy with it, then.
No wonder they were so aggressive and mad at DJT, the POTUS.

And in some places, the proper isolation and quarantining it will have got better results, if criminals in charge, did not mess around by intentionally subjecting groups of people, the most vulnerable, to extra exposure to such a dangerous fatal condition.

And no wondering with whole this mess of induced insane inflation of numbers, as to keep people still in a panic stasis… and destroy the beauty of their lives, unnecessarily.

But hey, any one, in the end of the day, can see it and view it whatever way it likes to, or wants to…
but remember if these criminals are for real, remember… you not gone yet the half way through… with this madness.

So far you gone through the pain of “viral infection-“disease”‘ panic and all its destructive consequences.
Hopefully it does not get to the point of a similar outcome in consideration of a
“bacterial infection-“disease”” panic.
Very highly possible.
Especially when you keep hearing for further lock downs and banning of air travel.
This in my part, as put, is in the means of being really really serious.


Reply to  whiten
October 4, 2020 9:39 am

Everything the Chinese, Russian, and their democrat partners, with their “Press” and “Celebrity” auxiliaries do, is bent towards trying to get Trump out of the WH. When the NYT publishes something like the above, there is a reason beyond “reporting” the facts.

Reply to  rah
October 4, 2020 10:49 am

October 4, 2020 at 9:39 am

Thanks for your reply.

But I beg to differ.

In my understanding the NYT, this time is publishing a point of opinion in the proposition that something like an air travel banning makes no sense at this point in time, kinda of trying a point out that this is kinda of silly.

But you see, what they may be missing is that calls for further lock downs, harsher controlling regulations and especially this latest call for air travel banning could be a very effective means to
“mob lynching” the opponents of these criminals, where DJT stands as the main one (for not saying the only one with the guts) facing them and stopping their crazy insane attempts.
They just need a new triggered insane panic…
and believe me there is ways to get there, and manage to start one, especially in such a hipper hot environment.

So far they have quasi completely failed with their most wished and highly expected second wave.

But you see, in the end, time only will tell.

When it comes to either Russia or China, no matter what kind of villains one may make out of, still these are not the guys who locked down your states, or;
“did mess around by intentionally subjecting groups of people, the most vulnerable, to extra exposure to such a dangerous fatal condition.”
keep further insane state lock downs, forcefully… and against any rationale.
trying a political mob lynch of the POTUS, the first moment they learn of him diagnosed
with COVID-19… over the face mask stupidity. (can you believe it)
fighting “tooth to nails” over and against an innocent treatment, that actually could very much help.
against the very interest and the well being of USA, as a nation, as a people, as a union.


Reply to  whiten
October 4, 2020 11:26 am

So you disagree that the immediate primary objective of the Russians, Chinese, Democrats and their press and celebrities is to get Trump out of office? Interesting.

Reply to  whiten
October 4, 2020 1:25 pm

October 4, 2020 at 11:26 am

Yeah of course I totally disagree with your statement as put.

Kinda too messy and clearly misleading… as for the moment.

And I think I clearly tried to explain it.

But hey, I still like the way you reason.
A real “Total War” man… from the get going, if I may say.



Reply to  whiten
October 4, 2020 2:52 pm

Duplicity, n. Deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.
n. An instance of deliberate deceptiveness; double-dealing.

There, saved you the mind bending effort of looking up the meaning of a word.

Reply to  whiten
October 4, 2020 5:57 pm

October 4, 2020 at 2:52 pm

Sounds a lot like Quantum Principia.

At two different places at the same moment. 🙂

just saying… no idea what your point really there.


Reply to  whiten
October 5, 2020 5:57 am

The only point you ever get is the one on your head.

Reply to  rah
October 4, 2020 2:44 pm

Well I guess that old saying is true about horses and water.

John Endicott
Reply to  Scissor
October 6, 2020 5:53 am

Biden is now in favor of banning air travel then

In a Kerry-inversion, Biden was against it before he was for it.

paul courtney
October 4, 2020 6:31 am

I was watching Chris Wallace this morning, thinking “he’s now as bad as the NYT”. Turns out, NYT is covering WHO scandal, Mr. Wallace not so much. He’s now worse than NYT, a very low bar.

Ron Long
October 4, 2020 6:34 am

Good job posting this report, Eric. I see a h/t to Breitbart News, and the amazing thing to me is that Andrew Breitbart is a better reporter, although deceased for some years now, than anyone at the NYT, CNN, WP, AP, etc. The inspiration Andrew left hopefully continues for many more years.

Reply to  Ron Long
October 4, 2020 6:51 am

Unfortunately, he now votes demo☭rat.

Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 7:09 am

Not only does he vote Demo in each election, he also votes hundreds of times.

John Endicott
Reply to  Klem
October 5, 2020 4:26 am

Vote early and vote often, especially once your dead. It’s the Democrat way.

Ron Long
Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 7:12 am

Scissor, I presume you are talking about Chrissy Wallace and not Andrew Breitbart? Walk toward the fire. Don’t worry about what they call you.

Reply to  Ron Long
October 4, 2020 7:33 am

Andrew is dead, his votes are all Democrat now.

Reply to  2hotel9
October 4, 2020 2:39 pm


Reply to  RayG
October 4, 2020 2:47 pm

Wish I actually was being sarcastic.

Reply to  SMC
October 5, 2020 3:31 am

As usual, the Babylon Bee nails it!

Reply to  Ron Long
October 4, 2020 3:02 pm

I thought everyone knew that if you don’t vote democrat, then you ain’t dead.

Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 3:09 pm

You forgot the gratuitous “Come on,man” in there, just don’t flow right without it.

Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 5:33 pm

You’re right.

C’mon man.

Nick Schroeder
October 4, 2020 6:37 am

Only 2% of positive Covid-19 tests turn fatal. (ECDC)
58% recover from it.
Over 40% of positive tests never get sick enough to be captured as data by the medical system, doctor, clinic, etc. (WHO)
115,475,943 tested
8,903,548 positives
(7.7% * 2.0% = .154% death/tested)
No worse than a seasonal flu.
80% of deaths are in the 65+ demographic half of them in NYC and surrounding states.
2.8 MILLION people die every year in the US.
Six times as many people die from heart attacks and cancer.
What a pathetic excuse for a “deadly” pandemic.
Scam-demic is more like it.
The fatalities, as we all know, have been inflated by comorbidities.
Japan has the highest percentage of 65+, 27%, in the world yet just barely 1,500 deaths.
What do they know/do that the rest of the world does not?
Won’t see the above in the lying, fact free, fake news MSM.

Reply to  Nick Schroeder
October 4, 2020 7:54 am

Nick Clueless Schroeder
In my 24 years of using the internet I have never read a comment that included so many numbers, yet makes no sense at all.

The COVID pandemic is still in progress … but so far there is no comparison of COVID with typical seasonal flu that makes COVID look better, except that COVID has a much higher percentage of infections with no symptoms, and children seem much less vulnerable. The elderly are ALWAYS most vulnerable to a seasonal flu, so COVID is similar there.

COVID is no worse than the seasonal flu, you insist?
You could not be more wrong with your data mining.

Virtually ALL flu deaths are with comorbidities — flu doesn’t kill people who are healthy. People actually die from major organ failures. Flu was not even one of 110 CDC causes of death before 2020. I don’t know if CDC is doing “flu counts” differently in 2020. It is ALWAYS a judgement call on whether to blame a lung failure from pneumonia on the flu. Before 2020, CDC used a computer model to estimate flu deaths — there was never a list of names of the people who died from “the flu” … and doctors always thought the CDC total was much too high. People who die with the flu had other problems, whether known or not, or had genetic weaknesses, whether known or not. Many people have high blood pressure and diabetes, but don’t know it for years, for one example. Sometimes death is the first symptom of heart disease — I lost a friend that way. If you want to argue that CDC estimated flu deaths are overstated, I agree with you.

The economic and health related effects of the partial lockdowns ALONE were worse than any prior seasonal flu, other than in 1918. Back then everyone who died with pneumonia was called a flu death. My mother, at only age 2, lost her twenty something mother to that flu. If you want to argue about the partial lockdowns,
I agree — I don’t think they made sense after March and April 2020. It took time for doctors to figure out how to keep COVID patients alive, and to reduce hospital overcrowding in some urban areas.

Every nation has a different COVID experience, probably related to how many Chinese people flew there in the early, cold months of 2020, and to random variations.

COVID death rates, hospitalization rats, need for the ICU, and suffering in general, are much worse than any seasonal flu, since the 1918 pandemic, even with the pandemic and suffering, both heath and economic, still in progress.

While only 1 of 1,000 infected may die from COVID, that is higher than a typical seasonal flu. But 600 of 1,000 suffer from COVID, and they suffer more than a typical flu — I suppose you could not care less about the suffering? For you, either you die from COVID, or you survive — that’s all that matters to you?

Two friends in their 60s suffered a lot for two weeks in March, and three weeks in March, respectively, with COVID. The sickest they had ever been in their lives. The three week victim was a retired doctor being cared for at home by her son, also a doctor. He did not think his hospital knew how to treat COVID in March — ventilators were popular at that time. My friend survived, but at one point was so sick she considered suicide. So don’t tell me that COVID suffering does not matter.

Steven Mosher
Reply to  Nick Schroeder
October 5, 2020 2:11 am


IFR for Flu versus IFR for Covid



Look people you dont have to deny basic numbers to be opposed to the way lockdowns have been mis handled.

Its worse than the flu

China [snip] up by not alerting people faste
The WHO [snip] up by not announcing a pandemic when it was clear
Most of the world [snip] up by not restricting travel PROPERLY ( even the US made mistakes)
The CDC [snip] up the tests.
Trump [snip] up by underplaying the risk ( a dumb strategy) when he should have over stressed
the risk and then take credit for any good news.

Once you missed the opportunity to contain ( Vietnam did not miss, china did not, New Zealand did not)
Once you missed that opportunity you are in uncharted water: trying to manage the spread of a virus
while protecting your, hospitals, police force, food workers, essential personal, while not destroying you economy. Once you missed that opportunity politics and political division rules. Virus loves that [snip]

Folks who moved FAST and HARD, got containment, and now have a somewhat normal life.
Folks who moved slow, folks who tried to predict, manage ,engineer, perform trade offs between
the economy and deaths, well they pretty much all failed.

[Come on, man. You know the rules. Sheesh. -mod]

Reply to  Steven Mosher
October 5, 2020 7:59 pm

the Mosh cant help it… he f* up on Covid and is having a hard time admitting it.

October 4, 2020 7:06 am

WHO (and China) is responsible for the high mortality caused by ventilators and the consequent ensuing panic that enveloped the world.

Mechanical ventilators have long been considered a last resort solution for treating patients with respiratory illness. The exact percentage varies, but the studies are unanimous in concluding that the vast majority of people who are put on a mechanical ventilator never make it off of one.

But when COVID-19 hit, the long established scientific guidance on proper patient care was tossed out the window, along with other established norms, in the face of this much-hyped novel virus.
When the COVID-19 pandemic hit full swing, this learned and phased approach to ventilator use was nowhere to be seen. Doctors in Italy, Spain, and New York City in particular were rushing to mechanical ventilation early and often, thanks in part to a fear-based transmission threat and an “expert consensus” that originated in China & was broadcast far and wide by the World Health Organization (WHO).

How China and the WHO created mass ventilator hysteria

Reply to  icisil
October 4, 2020 7:48 am

So why did doctors in Spain, Italy and NYC (places with high mortalities) follow WHO advice and rush to early intubation contrary to well established clinical practice? At least in the US it was due to its market driven approach to medicine that channels patients into clinical pathways that are unable to deal with new diseases. If the astute and ethical NYC doctor Kyle-Sidell hadn’t blown the whistle with his video, no telling how many more thousands would have died.

Scientists and clinicians have further contributed to the failure of the medical profession to provide anything better than supportive care to SARS-CoV-2–infected patients because of their inability to apply basic science rationale to a new disease entity. Instead, the last generation and a half of medical practitioners have been raised on a market-driven “clinical pathway” model of care. When one of us started medical school 35 years ago, physicians were expected to apply their own understanding of basic science—pathology, microbiology, physiology, and pharmacology—to diagnose and treat their patients on an individual basis. The success or failure of this approach is debatable because it placed the clear burden for good care on the intelligence, knowledge, and foresight of individual physicians, which may not have been the most universally equitable approach for patients. Instead, over the past 20 years, better uniformity in patient care was obtained by placing patients into “pathways.” All patients with a particular subtype of disease are treated similarly using a proscribed written pathway guide for care. Market forces lauded the approach, and the physician’s primary job became one of patient categorization. Those who could sort more patients into particular pathways the fastest received the greatest financial rewards. Insurance companies and for-profit medical centers loved the approach for its bland and monotonous efficiency. Physicians were now replaceable “cogs” in a giant medical machine. Somewhere along the line, our deep respect for hard thinking in clinical practice evaporated. Although the clinical pathways approach to care is a highly efficient and useful mechanism for ensuring standard-of-care treatment for well-studied diseases, it fails miserably when confronting a new disease like COVID-19. Consequently, many of our young physicians, uncomfortable without a guiding pathway document in front of them, now feel intellectually unmoored in the current pandemic, further contributing to their stress.

COVID-19: All the wrong moves in all the wrong places

But Germany (low covid mortality) had its act together and didn’t fall for it.

The German society for Pneumology recommended early Oxygen and avoidance of ventilators back in March.


Of the controlled [intubated] Covid-19 patients, only between 20 and 50 percent have survived so far. If that is the case, we must ask: is this due to the severity and course of the disease itself, or perhaps to the preferred method of treatment? When we read the first studies and reports from China and Italy, we immediately wondered why they were intubated so often. This contradicted our clinical experience with viral pneumonia.

http://www.rubikon.news/artikel/fatale-therapie (German)

Reply to  icisil
October 4, 2020 8:14 am

Last paragraph should be blockquote.

Reply to  icisil
October 4, 2020 8:17 am

October 4, 2020 at 7:48 am

“COVID-19: All the wrong moves in all the wrong places”

Intentionally as planed, managed through a strict of “all to “play” the same” script.

The evidence is there, as the script happens to be in the record… clear and sound.


Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  icisil
October 4, 2020 8:48 am

I understand that in NYC hospitals were paid $40,000 per patient placed in a ventilator. That is a very large incentive to use them and to ask for as many as they could get. About $500m actually.

The problem was the early misdiagnosis of SARS-Cov-2 infection as a lung disease. The “lung disease” part of the symptoms is just as in 1918-19: a result of the immune system over-reacting to the presence of a novel coronavirus.

If they had, instead of ventilators, placed people on 5% molecular hydrogen most of those going into hospital would have had a good chance to come out the front door instead of the back. H2 directly impedes the cytokine storm and patients receiving it (advanced cases) find their pain is gone and breathing returns almost to normal in 9 hours.

The incompetence and malpractice goes way beyond the WHO. Next up is the idea that you are not able to fend off the virus if you ave not had a vaccine. What about the 50% of Americans who are T-cell immune due to previous coronavirus infections from the common cold? The gold-digging continues.

Reply to  Crispin in Waterloo
October 4, 2020 9:41 am

So how does H2 therapy work? H2 acts as an antioxidant that neutralizes reactive oxygen species? Is it the same as H2O2 treatment?

October 4, 2020 7:20 am

The countries with the best track record on coronavirus are all deeply familiar with China as well as having learned lessons from SARS.

It is mind blowing that some of China’s close neighbours have the best record, by far, on coronavirus. They also managed to keep going without the draconian lock downs that have been ineffective elsewhere. link High on the list of reasons for their success is decisive border control.

President Trump was absolutely correct when he said the pandemic would have been much worse under a Biden administration.

Tom in Florida
October 4, 2020 7:21 am

I will say again, this is mainly a city disease. It is easily spread within overcrowded, dirty cities whose people could care less about these things until it hits them in the face and then they kick and scream looking to blame some else for their plight.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 4, 2020 12:41 pm

How can people social distance in an elevator, or in a bus, or in a subway car, or in a small apartment?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Richard Greene
October 4, 2020 1:39 pm

That is the point. City living is dangerous in a pandemic.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
October 4, 2020 2:59 pm

What you say is true as far as it goes. I was going to make the same argument but a quick web search showed that two of the places with the best record on this coronavirus are Hong Kong and Shanghai. Both of those cities have very high population densities.

There’s more to the problem than just population density. Of course, in North America the hardest hit region is the north east which is also the densest (in a couple of ways) region.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  commieBob
October 4, 2020 5:02 pm

I just read a non-fiction book “The Lost City of the Monkey God”, by Douglas Preston, about discovering lost city ruins in the Honduran jungle in Central America, this book was published just a couple of years ago, 2017. Much of the ending of this book deals with an outbreak of the parasitical disease Leishmaniasis among the researchers, along with historical information about the plagues or pandemics that Europeans unwittingly unleashed among the natives in Central and South America, starting with Columbus and the Spanish Conquistadores.

One of the interesting insights in this account is the description of why the Europeans were relatively resistant to diseases like smallpox, at least as compared to the natives, who tended to be wiped out by the foreign diseases to the extent of 80 per cent or more, or even wiped out completely in the end, as happened to the original population of Hispaniola (the big island split between Haiti and the Dominican Republic today). According to the author, Douglas Preston, this h was not mostly due to acquired immunity — what we would call “herd immunity”, Instead, he claims that European resistance had more to do with *inherited* resistance, *genetic* resistance to things like smallpox, and other diseases that had afflicted European cities over the course of many centuries.

Now, if this is true, then wouldn’t that in itself tend to explain why Eastern countries like “Hong Kong and Shanghai” could have lower infection and death rates from coVID right from the start? They happen to have more natural resistance? If this is for real, or even a possibility, why don’t we hear more about genetic variation and natural resistance from the media, from doctors, etc? Is the author of this book just totally full of it, or is this something we should know about when comparing countries?

One irony of this is that along with seemingly valid information, the author definitely comments alarmingly along the lines of how tropical diseases are steadily moving north, because of, you know, that nasty global warming thing! He even gets the name of one Dr. Fauci in there, some sort of alarming statement by him about the future spread of tropical parasites, whatever. So maybe author Preston is “full of it” on the genetics thing too, who can tell these days?

Reply to  David Blenkinsop
October 4, 2020 10:06 pm

Why shouldn’t there be something like genetic immunity?

Having said the above, the Chinese members of the family can’t travel to the mainland for funerals. Similarly, one of my Caucasian relatives was unable to have a proper funeral in Canada. Also, the Chinese are expecting a second wave. link So, based on news reports and what the family tells me, the Chinese situation is reasonably similar to ours.

Genetic immunity could explain part of the success of Hong Kong and Shanghai for sure but, given the apparent situation in China, it isn’t the whole story.

I think the lesson from Hong Kong and Shanghai is that ineffective economy destroying lockdowns are the wrong approach.

David Blenkinsop
Reply to  commieBob
October 5, 2020 12:52 pm

I do strongly suspect that there is something correct about the genetic resistance or ‘natural resistance’ idea, even if it may be difficult to separate this from factors like partial acquired resistance from similar viruses, or from effects of nutrition or lack of nutrition, etc. I marvel though, that our media and decision makers today focus on a perceived need to physically contain a particular virus (that can’t really be contained in any case).

Speaking of natural resistance, I sometimes can’t help but try to stymie people with the question as to why female humans virtually everywhere seem to be more resistant to coVID as compared to male humans!. Doggoned stunted Y chromosomes, how did some of us ever get stuck with those!

October 4, 2020 7:24 am

It just seems like yesterday that all this happened and the medical experts globally were saying that closing borders would actually speed up the virus spread, and that it was just xenophobia and racism to close any borders. Especially with China. It was all total BS from day 1, and it still feels like they may be even more off the rails since with how they handled everything, including Hydroxychloroquine. Or how they calculated Covid deaths, and what happened in NYC with nursing homes, or some Governors just enacting any restrictions on any human activity they wished. But the rules didn’t apply to them.

Or that masks would not only do no good, but maybe even make things worse. I vividly remember the US Surgeon General and many other medical experts including Dr. Fauci holding out that opinion on masks for several weeks, and now you are under arrest if you don’t wear a mask in some jurisdictions. I have lost faith in the ‘authorities’ especially when they get special powers under emergency conditions. I never saw that coming, that medical emergencies could be used to control populations so thoroughly and severely. Including just shutting down economies and peoples livelihoods without regards to consequences. We are still in shock and those effects are probably yet to materialize in the economy as millions of people were just steam rolled and bulldozed out of the way. And others just got paid to stay home, or don’t pay your rent and no evection either. How is small business supposed to stay alive, as there is little relief for many in this major category of the economy.

Which makes me very nervous about how they deal with the climate ’emergencies’ that have been declared. Hopefully this negates any future attempt to control society for whatever a climate emergency may mean. People will soon have emergency fatigue so I doubt you will be able to take such drastic measures to curb climate change. This will probably be a slow motion train wreck as they slowly curb out rights and freedoms regarding energy usage for everything we need to keep a modern world functioning. This is just the warm up act for what is coming, if some get their way. We can’t let that happen again, not without a fight.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Earthling2
October 4, 2020 7:42 am

Funny how no one talks about ventilator shortages anymore.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Earthling2
October 4, 2020 3:07 pm

Lefty “core subjects” in education is bearing its bitter fruit here and the follow-up head trauma of corrupted universities. I know an individual who graduated with a BA in English Lit who didn’t take the option to study Shakespeare. I hired a graduate geologist for summer fieldwork who didn’t take the mineralogy option!! They softened the course work because universities had thrown their doors open to the left hand side of the bell curve. STEM has been the last intellectual bastion to be breached, but it’s under full attack now.

Lorne Newell
Reply to  Earthling2
October 4, 2020 9:59 pm

The UN is desperately trying to gain control and are using CO2 to do it. The so called “pandemic” was a free bee and they are trying very hard to use it. There is not replacement at the present time for oil or gas. Oil is portable and gas is cheap. The so called renewable are expensive and short lived and create a large pile of non recyclable garbage. There are so many negatives with the “green” proposition, and so many positives with the status quo, I am absolutely flummoxed why people believe this garbage. It is not reasonable nor logical right from the get go. High school science taught me about the atmosphere. But I am 78 and I don’t know very much. (sarc)

October 4, 2020 7:36 am

WHO did exactly what its Chinese owners told them to do, and still are. Nothing other than lies comes out of anything controlled by CCP. Just look to disney, nba,nfl,”news media” and all of holleeweird. All totally owned by CCP, totally controlled by CCP.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  2hotel9
October 4, 2020 12:59 pm

I was watching part of the movie “The Martian” yesterday and the Chinese influence on the movie was obvious.

Hollywood has become a division of the Chicom propaganda bureau.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 4, 2020 3:18 pm

Tom Cruise has knuckled under several times on movie content. Guess he knows where his rice bowl is, as the old n.
Deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.
An instance of deliberate deceptiveness; double-dealing.

Joel O’Bryan
October 4, 2020 7:37 am

It really is irrelevant what Trump did or didn’t do. The Democrats were going to blame him for every death regardless. Not true of course, but in a propaganda war, truth is the first casualty.
Now they are blaming him for the worst economy in 80 years. Again not true, but the Democrats are relying on people not realizing all the economy destroying shutdowns and restrictions (except international travel) were done by governors and mayors. In the US federal republic system laid out in the Constitution, powers not assigned to the Feds belongs to the States or rights reserved to the People. As such, public health decisions and restriction on business activity and public functions are largely the domain of the States. The feds provide guidelines, and it is left to the states to interpret and implement as they see fit. That why there was was a spectrum reponse between what South Dakota did and what New York continues to do.
Yet once again, the Dems will blames Trump for everything “bad” whether he had a hand in it or not. All effective propaganda depends on effective control of most or all of the media to work, and the Dems control most of the media that people consume. Eventually though there will be an accounting for Governors Cuomo of New York, Whitmer of Michigan, and Murphy of NewJersey because the glaring differences in death rates between those state and other Red States is just too different to ignore and not chock up to very poor decision under their signatures in the first several months of the outbreak.
Now of course Joe Biden says Trump should have a national shutdowns and national mask mandates. That disregards the fact the President doesn’t have that authority. Dems hate the points of comparisons that arise between Red states governance and Blue states governance, and they simply want to erase that by implementing the equality of Blue state-style misery for all. Equality of misery is of course one of the key traits of socialists and their urge and compulsion to rule and dictate people’s lives.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
October 4, 2020 12:05 pm

Progressives are reviewing the numbers to determine if shared/shifted responsibility is a viable choice.

Reply to  n.n
October 4, 2020 1:14 pm

They’ll attempt to do so, but careful thinkers won’t be fooled. Still today the top 10 states for total deaths/million are blue states, and these same states account for 44% of ALL deaths in 50 states.


This is a miserable showing compounded on the heels of Andrew “Senior Slayer” Cuomo and others of his heinous, despicable ilk who murdered the elderly during the initial outbreak by forcing infected individuals into what should’ve been our wizened ones last sanctuary before passing, but rather became death chambers from which there was no escape.

U.S. Progressivism promotes and promulgates human oppression, poverty, misery, pain, rioting, anger and death for the poorest and most vulnerable among our citizenry while enriching those who lord over the oppressed and fallen with wealth, power and isolation from the results of their own abhorrent policies.

An abominable scourge of a philosophy if there ever was one I say.

Splitdog Homee
October 4, 2020 7:38 am

“speculative mathematical models”, that sounds familar

October 4, 2020 8:17 am

The truth is getting its pants on. Mandela was right to have a Truth and Reconciliation Court in South Africa. We need one for the UN agencies and the paid media.

Big Al
October 4, 2020 8:23 am

NYT blowing smoke , divert attention away from truth of Plandemic.

Reply to  Big Al
October 4, 2020 9:10 am

Maybe. The NYT won a Pulitzer Prize for their reporting on Trump Russia collllluuuusion.

That farce is still going strong in certain media.

Sweet Old Bob
October 4, 2020 9:39 am
Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 11:09 am

Trump’s travel ban was too late and ineffective. He did not ban travel from China but rather he banned Chinese citizens from travelling to the USA from China but not from Hong Kong or from travelling first to other countries. Over 8000 Chinese citizens travelled to the USA after the ban was imposed along with over 27000 US citizens. Furthermore by the time the ban was imposed the epicentre of the disease was in Italy and already spreading in the community in the US. Looking
at the DNA of the virus most of fatalities in the USA were as a result of being infected via Italy.

And to claim that Trump’s actions saved countless lives as Eric has done implies that the virus is far more deadly than Trump has ever admitted (except to Bob Woodward) and would also imply that Trump’s further actions in downplaying the virus and its effects is criminal and resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of US citizens.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 11:36 am

Haha I bet you thought it was xenophobic like ole Joe Biden.

You are sick Izaak…lazy too.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 12:04 pm

In all fairness (that doesn’t mean being a Monday Morning Quarterback) little was known about the virus in January. Trump restricted travel from China the day after WHO proclaimed it to be a pandemic. For even that act, he was rewarded with being called a xenophobe by those who commonly characterized him as a wannabe dictator. Almost everything he does is criticized by the press and his other political opponents.

While Trump may have been downplaying the danger of COVID to prevent panic, he was nevertheless following the advice of medical ‘experts’ when it was within his power. Much of the actual damage was the result of poor decisions made by Cuomo and others like him in populous states. Most of those coming from Italy would have landed in New York City. You are a typical leftist whiner who doesn’t know the meaning of the word “objective.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 4, 2020 1:23 pm

“In all fairness (that doesn’t mean being a Monday Morning Quarterback) little was known about the virus in January. Trump restricted travel from China the day after WHO proclaimed it to be a pandemic.”

Trump imposed a travel ban on China on January 31, 2020, ten days after the Chicoms and WHO finally admitted that the Wuhan virus could be transmitted person-to-person, on January 21, 2020.

The Chicom military around Wuhan were all put on lockdown around December 1, 2019, so that is about the time they figured out they had an epidemic on their hands. The Chicoms sat on this information for almost two months. I won’t say the WHO knew this that early, they very well may not have known if the Chimcoms didn’t tell them. Although Taiwan was warning the WHO that something was going on in China around that time.

Trump acted as soon as he could see a problem developing. None of the Democrats would have done anything like this. They would still be promoting tourism to San Francisco’s China Town.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
October 5, 2020 8:04 pm

if WHO says 10% of world population is infected (@750mlion) and currently 1milion dead, IFR is +-.1%… same as seasonal flu… you were lied to all along.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 1:13 pm

“Furthermore by the time the ban was imposed the epicentre of the disease was in Italy and already spreading in the community in the US.”

I remember the day Oklahoma got its first two cases of the Wuhan virus. Both had traveled in from Italy. It was the day before Trump banned travel from Europe.

Oklahoma now has had about 70,000 Wuhan virus infections since that day.

The bottom line is noone in this neck of the woods would have acted as quickly as Trump acted. If anyone other than Trump had been in charge, the U.S. would have a lot more infections and deaths than it does now.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 4, 2020 2:27 pm

Do you have any evidence to support the claim that “if anyone other than Trump had been in charge, the U.S. would have a lot more infections and deaths than it does now”? Currently the
US is in the 10 ten countries in terms of deaths per 100 000 population with 64 deaths per 100k.
Which means that there are over 150 countries in the world where you are less likely to die of
COVID19 than the US. In NZ for example which instituted a travel ban from China at about the
same time as the US has only 0.51 deaths per 100k of population.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 3:06 pm

Wow, you still have not sought medical care for that head injury. The longer you wait the more damage done.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 3:26 pm

Izaak, you are not stupid, so you are dishonest which is worse. Their are no countries in US’s class as a destination for business, study, tourism, international family ties and global political travel. You can rule out 140 of your 150 countries with this fact. Indeed it is no surprise that UK, France and Italy had worse problems than Guinea Bissau, Burkina Faso and Vanuatu. In the move and shaker countries, US stacks up well.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 3:45 pm

Can you define a “mover and shaker country”? There is no sense in which the US stacks up well. It has over 7 million cases while the second most infected country India has 6.4 million cases despite having almost 3 times the population. India’s fatality rate is 7.46 deaths per 100 000 population which is almost 10 times less than the US’s despite have a much worse health system. It would be almost impossible to find any metric by which the US is doing well in dealing with COVID-19.

Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 4:51 pm

Izaak you are a terrible human.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 5:07 pm

More dishonesty. Re-read my comment and dont talk around it. The Chinese don’t go to India so they were infected by Indian travelers and visitors of Indian heritage mainly. This is too obvious a cherry-picked strawman argument.

Re Trump’s handling of the virus, had Hillary or Joe Biden been president you know the infection and death rates would have been far worse, simply because they are simpering Sinophiles and UN Useful Fools.

Gary Pearse
Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 6:01 pm

Oh and Izaak, what are your thoughts about Blue States NOW belatedly locking everyone down, nevermind in February 2020. Many Blue gov and mayors should he indicted for negligent homicide or worse re elderly care residences. You know you can identify the states referred to simply by their death rates. US would have had a rosier picture were it not for Dem govs and mayors. Dem supported violent anarchists also fueled infection rates. When the smoke clears, Dems will be seen to have accounted for the majority of the 8nfectiins and deaths.
Even though they had ample warning from Italy and Spain it didn’t deter them

Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 6:40 pm

US is in the 10 ten countries in terms of deaths per 100 000 population with 64 deaths per 100k . . . It would be almost impossible to find any metric by which the US is doing well in dealing with COVID-19.

Given your assumptions, that must also be true with the UK then, yes?

We’re #10 on the deaths/million count @647, but you’re #11 @623. That means there are “over [149] countries in the world where you are less likely to die of COVID19 than the [UK]. “

Reply to  Gary Pearse
October 6, 2020 4:29 am


USA has performed @ 60% more covid tests than India. Also, much of India’s population has not been tested yet. The ratio of tests:population is 1:3 in USA and only 1:19 in India.
Do you know what happens when you test more? You tend to find more.

Covid IFR is @ .1, on par with seasonal flu/pneumonia. Why all the panic when we know the population group most at risk from it (comorbid elderly)? It’s insanity.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 6:31 pm

Do you have any evidence to support the claim that “if anyone other than Trump had been in charge, the U.S. would have a lot more infections and deaths than it does now”?

I think some good evidence exists, yes. Here our states are largely sovereign, i.e., they’re governed by elected individuals chosen by the residents of that particular state. They manage themselves and over 200 years of legal precedent from SCOTUS declares this is especially true in pandemic situations.

I counted the following blue state deaths (and probably didn’t get them all) as of today (see worldometers.info by country):

CA 16,140
CO 2,068
CT 4,513
DC 631
DE 645
HI 159
IA 1,383
IL 9,040
LA 5,577
MA 9,510
MD 3,958
ME 142
MI 7,124
MN 2,133
NC 3,634
NH 442
NJ 16,258
NM 892
NV 1,623
NY 33,300
OH 4,930
OR 572
PA 8,295
RI 1,118
VA 3,273
VT 58
WA 2,145
WI 1,377

Total blue state deaths: 140,940. To this we should add Puerto Rico, Guam, Virgin Islands, and the Navajo Nation for another 1313, which totals to 142253.

That means that as of today, about 66.3% of all deaths in the U.S. are attributable to blue states and how they’ve managed the crisis.

Thank goodness Andrew “Senior Slayer” Cuomo or any of his progressive ilk wasn’t sitting in the chair Trump sits.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 7:01 pm

“Do you have any evidence to support the claim that “if anyone other than Trump had been in charge, the U.S. would have a lot more infections and deaths than it does now”?”

Well, let me put it this way: Name one person in the United States, other than Senator Tom Cotton, who suggested that a travel ban be imposed on China in late January 2020.

Certainly, no Democrat politiicans would have proposed a travel ban. They were railing against Trump when he imposed one. There may have been other Republicans than Senator Cotton who were in favor of the idea at the time, but I don’t know who they would be.

So give me the name of one person who would have imposed a travel ban on China other than Trump. Even Trump’s own advisors were against the travel ban. Yet Trump went ahead with the ban. No doubt, Trump had intelligence information that others didn’t have, even his advisors, and he made a decision based on the picture he had of the situation. And he made the right decision.

Gunga Din
Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 2:16 pm

And don’t forget that the “xenophobic” travel bans were put in place during the Dems ridiculous impeachment attempt.
(Nancy was telling people to go party in Chinatown. What were they telling people to in NYC?)

Reply to  Izaak Walton
October 4, 2020 2:55 pm

So much bile. Trump’s actions were measured and balanced. He couldn’t ban Chinese citizens travelling from Hong Kong or other countries in the absence of evidence of infections.

October 4, 2020 12:26 pm

With the Regereron antibody cocktail the disease is essentially cured. It is really just a matter of ramping up supply.

Reply to  Stevek
October 4, 2020 3:38 pm

I bet that Trump will be back in the WH by mid week.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  goldminor
October 4, 2020 7:13 pm

The latest word is that Trump may return to the White House tomorrow (Monday).

It will be interesting to see how long the Wuhan virus stays in Trump’s body after giving him the treatments he has recieved. It appears that he made a dramatic turnaround soon after recieving these drugs.

The Regeneron cocktail supposedly gives a patient an immune response to the Wuhan virus which will supposedly compensate for a lack of an immune response or an inadequate immune response from an older person.

The last report I saw about Remdesivir said it shortened the infection by about five days.

I wonder how much that Regeneron cocktail costs?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 5, 2020 6:00 am

I know how to spell “received”. I can’t explain why I misspelled it twice in the post above. 🙂

Reply to  goldminor
October 5, 2020 6:08 am

I bet he will be back today, if he is not already there. 09:08 EST lets check!

October 4, 2020 12:36 pm

“No worse than a seasonal flu”, you claim !
You live in a fantasy land.

I guess 65+ deaths don’t count in your mind?

Six of 10 infected suffer with typical flu symptoms, or worse than typical flu symptoms, with far more hospitalizations, and a far higher need for ICU care.
I suppose suffering doesn’t count in your mind, only death?

Death estimates are not “inflated” by comorbidity –virtually ALL “flu deaths” estimated by the CDC have comorbidities, or genetic defects, whether known or not. A’s of 2019, CDC did not include flu on its 110 causes of death list. Flu deaths are assumed, because the actual cause of death is a major organ failure, such as lung failure from pneumonia. Flu almost never kills healthy people – ask any doctor.

Your comment on heart disease and cancer is irrelevant.

Covid was the worst pandemic since the 1918 flu. It was made significantly worse by extended partial economic lockdowns.

Tom Abbott
October 4, 2020 12:37 pm

From the article: “More and more,” Dr. Heymann said, “we’re understanding that there are some times when travel and trade might need to be restricted.”

So, you are coming around to Trump’s point of view now. Well, that’s good. It’s about time you guys wised up.

Tom Abbott
October 4, 2020 12:42 pm

From the article: “At the time of the border closure, President Trump faced widespread criticism, including an attack from Democrat candidate Joe Biden, who accused Trump of “Xenophobia”.”

Trump even went against his own advisors. Trump said he was in a room with 21 of his advisors, discussing the travel ban, and every one of them was against putting a travel ban in place, and Trump overruled them all.

That’s called foresight and leadership. Sometimes a leader has to depend on his own understanding of the situation and gut feelings, not on his advisors.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
October 6, 2020 3:53 am

you do realise that the travel ban was not an actual ban? It did not apply to us citizens and their families retuning from china.
It did not apply to European countries like Italy where the virus was already spreading.
The ban was imposed AFTER 1 case was noted in US. How many other people were already unknowingly spreading the virus?
The ban did very little. The 31st January ban occurred 1 day after 30 January 2020 WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus declared the 2019-nCoV outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern noting that early detection, isolating and treating cases, contact tracing and social distancing measures – in line with the level of risk – can all work to interrupt virus spread.
Note that the WHO declaration is as bad as it can get. “Pandemic” is just adding a word to the declaration!
This was ignored until March 19-24th 2020 United States lockdowns.
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Reply to  Ghalfrunt.
October 6, 2020 7:35 am

Odd criticisms.

It did not apply to us citizens and their families retuning from china.

Nor should it have. An American president should prevent his own citizens from returning to their homeland only under the most extreme of conditions. China and likely the WHO in lock step with them were deliberately hiding the severity of the virus. Our President took a position of leadership and led well, even in the face of a lying China and a WHO that recommended against travel bans.

“The Committee does not recommend any travel or trade restriction based on the current information available.”


It did not apply to European countries like Italy where the virus was already spreading.

Why would it? The WHO was recommending AGAINST travel bans. How could President Trump know that Europe was going to be problematic when China and perhaps the WHO with them was lying about the severity of the spread? There were NO confirmed cases in Italy at the time (emphasis added).

“Italian scientists say sewage water from two cities contained coronavirus traces in December, long before the country’s first confirmed cases.

The National Institute of Health (ISS) said water from Milan and Turin showed genetic virus traces on 18 December.

It adds to evidence from other countries that the virus may have been circulating much earlier than thought.

Chinese officials confirmed the first cases at the end of December. Italy’s first case was in mid-February.”


The ban was imposed AFTER 1 case was noted in US. How many other people were already unknowingly spreading the virus?

It’s your argument, you tell us, if you have any evidence to offer for that position. And then tell us what difference that should make anyway in an evaluation of the overall effort of President Trump to care for his countrymen in the face of a lying China enabled by a sycophant WHO.

No one knew on Jan 30 the severity of the spread of this virus except for China and probably the WHO. But they weren’t telling anyone.

Note that the WHO declaration is as bad as it can get. “Pandemic” is just adding a word to the declaration!

So disingenuous. The WHO says otherwise:

“Pandemic is not a word to use lightly or carelessly. It is a word that, if misused, can cause unreasonable fear, or unjustified acceptance that the fight is over, leading to unnecessary suffering and death.”


A word that can cause “unreasonable fear” and yet the ilks of thee don’t criticize the WHO for downplaying the pandemic, only President Trump. No reasonable individual should accept your criticisms as valid.

This was ignored until March 19-24th 2020 United States lockdowns.

Now you’re not even talking about the ban anymore, but rather the response of individual states. President Trump doesn’t have the authority to lock down any individual state.

Again, such a disingenuous diatribe from you. Your hatred is showing here Ghalfrunt.

October 4, 2020 12:45 pm

I have worked with sensitive data for Covid-19 and from what I have seen a lot of the patients and their details are fake.

October 4, 2020 1:31 pm

Social progress, huh. Stop… slow the spread by stopping… slowing the spread. Novel. Next, we’ll learn that Stork doesn’t deliver babies when they are convenient… viable. And that Mengele’s healthcare services for Planned Patient were forward-looking.

Gary Pearse
October 4, 2020 2:49 pm

“The World Health Organization said open borders would help fight disease. Experts, and a global treaty, emphatically agreed.”

You don’t have to be a pandemic specialist to know certain things. This particular idea is totally bonkers. A bigtime real estate magnate from New York seems to have been the real global pandemic specialist (many lesser leaders at least followed his lead) when he instituted the travel ban. It’s even good leadership in an uncertain crisis to overdo caution. It’s weak-kneed to do nothing but hope it goes away. Trump fears not. That is the prime virtue of a good leader when faced with making an unpopular decision for the good of his people.

This extreme issue and the way it was handled by Trump demonstrates what I would call a threshold test for one who would be the best leader of a people. Democrat governors and mayors of virtually all Blue States failed this test, and subsequently with anarchist violence and looting in (Seattle, Chicago, New York, Oregon … Summer of Love) going unchecked and even being supported (!!) underscored the complete lack of fitness of their Blue leaders. It’s easy to be a leader in quiet good times.

October 4, 2020 3:36 pm

Here is the so called Pope putting in his penny’s worth of socialist idealism into the conversation. … https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

Abolition Man
Reply to  goldminor
October 4, 2020 4:24 pm

About what you’d expect from a Communist in pope’s clothing!

Reply to  goldminor
October 4, 2020 5:06 pm

It amazing me how someone can be so stupid. What does he think life expectancy would be without capitalism ? The very vaccines and drugs that cure disease are a product of capitalism. Coming from Argentina he should know the dangers of socialism but some are so pig headed they ignore all evidence.

October 4, 2020 5:18 pm

Of course, had I or anybody posted what the NYTimes have just written on The Facebook or Twitter in the past 5 months, it would have been taken down or given an isolated/suspension of account.

Coram Deo
October 4, 2020 5:54 pm

video – 49 mins
Through an international lawyer’s network, which is growing larger by the day, the German group of attorneys provides to all of their colleagues and all other countries – free of charge – all relevant information, including expert opinions and testimonies of experts showing that the PCR test cannot detect infections. And they also provide them with all relevant information as to how they can prepare and bundle the claims for damages for their clients so that they too can assert their clients claims for damages – either in their home countries law courts or within the framework of the class action explained above. These scandalous Corona-facts, gathered mostly by the Corona Committee and summarized above are the very same facts that will soon be proven to be true, either in one court of law or in many courts of law all over the world. These are the facts that will pull the masks off the faces of all those responsible for these crimes. To the politicians who believe those corrupt people, these facts are hereby offered as a lifeline that can help you readjust your course of action , and start the long overdue public scientific discussion, and not go down with those charlatans and criminals. Dr Reiner Fuellmich

October 4, 2020 7:53 pm

Here is the best argument against the effectiveness of mask mandates. France instituted their first mandate back in April. In early July they voted in a second more restrictive mask mandate. France has had high compliace from their population in obeying the mandates. Despite these two mandates the number of new cases in France have surged to triple the number of the original high numbers which they saw back in April. So, why didn’t the mask mandates work?

Currently, France’s new case numbers have been as high as 17,000/day. In respect to the population differential between France and the US that would be the equal of around 85,000 US new cases in one day. So their new case numbers are almost twice as high as in the US in recent weeks. How does consensus science explain those numbers, and the fact that the mask mandate failed to suppress the spread of the Chinese virus?

Reply to  goldminor
October 4, 2020 10:22 pm

The mandate is grotesque. We must wear a mask alone in the street, but they don’t have one on TV and radio. Why? They tell us because of ceiling in these places is at 5 m. Or 4 m. Or 3 m. They don’t know. (It’s more like 2 m in radios.)

October 4, 2020 10:25 pm

“Human Mobility Networks, Travel Restrictions, and the
Global Spread of 2009 H1N1 Pandemic”

There was no pandemic. It was a hoax. That flu was very minor all over the world.

October 10, 2020 6:45 am

You can’t stop spread.
Hospitals in Italy were overloaded by a stupid policy of putting every infected person into hospital.
Deaths in Italy were largely in care residences, yet few other countries grasped that – not even Sweden, yet Florida did and acted assertively to protect them. WB.C. did not.
Collateral deaths are numerous: http://www.moralindividualism.com/covextra.doc.
Statistics and expert opinion in http://www.moralindividualism.com/covidgov.htm
Why is there such emotionalism over yet another strong corona virus, such as Hong Kong flu, swine flu, and SARS v1? Similar seen with climate alarmism. Because schools have been teaching subjectivism not rationality.

(I recommend Harry Binswanger’s book How We Know regarding knowledge.)

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