Guest essay by Eric Worrall
h/t Dr. Willie Soon; Augusta Wilson of the Climate Science Legal Defence Fund has accused President Trump of ignoring the Covid outbreak. But Wilson has ignored a few key facts.
Climate change and COVID-19: The denial playbook is the same
by Augusta Wilson, Earth Institute at Columbia University
JULY 31, 2020The phrase “every disaster movie begins with a scientist being ignored” resonates more than ever as two disasters unfold: the COVID-19 pandemic and climate change. One is occurring with horrifying rapidity and one more slowly; both would be far less damaging if scientific advice were heeded earlier.
In the United States, the Trump administration has responded to the COVID-19 crisis using tactics it honed in the climate arena: ignoring or burying relevant scientific information, pushing misinformation, and silencing scientists who warn us of the dangers. This pervasive “see no evil, hear no evil” approach has handicapped the U.S.’s ability to respond to both of these unfolding crises.
From the start of the pandemic, scientists who spoke out about the increasing threat from COVID-19 were ignored and pushed out. The same thing has happened to climate scientists since the early days of the Trump administration. The mentality that climate change is a taboo subject has taken root so firmly that it filtered down from top-level political officials and is now enforced by lower-level career employees in scientific agencies.
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Read more: https://phys.org/news/2020-07-climate-covid-denial-playbook.html
WUWT, one of the world’s leading climate skeptic websites, was an early mover when it came to telling people about the Covid-19 outbreak. We published a story in January, China Corona Virus Horror: Hospital Corridor of the Dead and Dying. Not exactly evidence of climate skeptics ignoring the Covid-19 outbreak.
What about President Trump? President Trump closed the border to China at the start of February, against the advice of scientific experts at the WHO. President Trump took significant political heat for closing the border.
On 27th January Democrat Presumptive President Candidate Joe Biden wrote the following;
… Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response. …
Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/
On 2nd February Biden tweeted;
Biden later switched to supporting Coronavirus travel bans, and criticised Trump for not moving fast enough.
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You got to go faster than slower. And we started off awfully slow.
He indicated that I complimented him on — on dealing with China. Well, you know, 45 nations had already moved to keep — block China’s personnel from being able to come to the United States before the president moved.
So, it’s just — it’s about pace. It’s about — it’s about the urgency. And I don’t think there’s been enough of it, urgency.
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Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-transcript-20-joe-biden-secretary-mark-esper/story?id=69981088
Even Politifact didn’t wholeheartedly back Biden’s claim about the pace of President Trump’s response.
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Our ruling
Biden claimed that “45 nations had already moved” to enforce travel restrictions with China “before the president moved.”
The extent of travel restrictions vary — from the suspension of visa programs to entry denial. According to one tracker of travel restrictions, Biden’s 45 figure checks out. Other research shows that the number is around 36.
Where Biden misleads is on the relative speed of the U.S. compared with others. The U.S. travel restriction came shortly after the WHO declared a public health emergency and around the same time as other nations, experts said.
Biden’s statement that Trump’s travel restriction was slower than 45 other countries is partially accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. We rate it Half True.
Read more: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/13/joe-biden/joe-bidens-claim-about-donald-trumps-slow-travel-r/
Are there differences of opinion about the severity of Covid-19, and how Covid should be addressed? Absolutely. Have mistakes been made? I’m sure historians with the benefit of hindsight will come up with all sorts of theories of what could have been done differently.
My point is Augusta Wilson’s assertion that President Trump ignored the threat of Coronavirus is not supported by the evidence. In my opinion, as an attorney Wilson should have performed a little more due diligence before making such a claim.
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If the herd immunity hypothesis is correct, which Sweden seems to be showing it is, then global, and importantly, U.S. cases and deaths will begin to drop significantly in a matter of weeks. This should bring about optimism and a lessening of fear.
A Chinese study in June suggested immunity only lasts 3 months, after which most people may be susceptible to being reinfected by the same strain. Herd immunity might not be possible with Covid-19.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
Which has the implication that vaccines will not last either.
Recent data from Sweden disagrees. And I wouldn’t believe a word out of China about anything.
Agreed, and also include the small nation of New York on that list.
https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+statistics&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS818US818&oq=covid+s&aqs=chrome.3.69i57j0l4j69i60l3.4966j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Eric “suggested” is the key word. It may or may not be the case. Also, why would antibody levels need to be high months after infection? This may be entirely normal.
Eric Worrall
August 3, 2020 at 6:42 am
Antibodies fading away, does not mean immunity fades away, or it does not last.
Any time your immunity detects a known infection or disease it respond rapidly, by producing the correct antibody without delay.
A disease that your immunity has already responded fully to, by producing antibodies is a known disease to your system, already fully “dialed” in.
In many disease responses, after the disease fades away so do the antibodies, as for most no need to be produced anymore, as that very costly.
But immunity still there,
and upgrading over time in consideration of reemergence and cyclic epidemics of the infection disease… due to reproduction of antibodies and herd immunity.
You see, viruses fade way too, but do they really fade? (once there)
cheers
The last paragraph the article says: “The study did not address cellular immunity to COVID-19—that is, immune responses involving T-cells rather than antibodies. Some previous studies have found SARS-CoV–specific T-cells in high percentages of convalescent COVID-19 patients.”
At least one of the vaccines under test is said to raise the T-cell count so according to a May 14th article in Science (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity) this may not be as bad as we think.
T cells also have a long memory about unwanted invaders.
So the Chinese are saying immunity doesn’t last and that young people are carriers? Of course they would and the WHO Director is telling every nation to get in line and continue lock down or “it’s going to worse and worse and worse and worse.” Firstly, why would immunity work differently according to the virus? Secondly, why is it not evident that China is trying to maintain the fear. What virus gets worse and worse and worse and worse? That is like a threat out of a really bad hollywood movie, where the ‘scientist’ is ignored.
Exactly! An equally plausible theory would be that aliens will arrive to mine our antibodies, leaving our bodies helpless to defend themselves in the way that has worked for millions of years. The fear industry keeps dragging out more fearfully dreadful speculations, each one more implausible than the last.
I trust China as far as I can toss a live bull up a silo.
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You did not read the last paragraph?? How dare you!
Good God, does the level of stupid ever decrease?
Your body is not producing antibodies for every disease you’ve ever come into contact with but will respond quickly and reproduce them because of “memory” in the lymphatic system. The propaganda is endless in the post truth world
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3744588/
A) that would be very inconsistent with the immunity gained with the vast majority of other viruses
B) Its normal for antibodies to fade out as time progresses, yet t-cells are dominant
C) since this is new virus, the long term immunity cant be proven for 2-3 years out, but highly unlikely to be inconsistent with other viruses
D) Typical made up 3h1t
E) As an attorney she should know better – when you make 3h1t up in litigation, you typically get a new one ripped. Its not pleasant
Why do you think this particular virus will break the normal rules, it not like the virus, cell battle is new. It only been around about 3 billion years, why is this one rewriting the rule book?
But, they do not want that to happen here, as decreased fear would benefit Trump and the economy would spark back up. So, they have a crappy 80% false positive PCR test, which tests for a general covi genetic sequence (the reason for all the positive asymptomatic results), and a crappy antibody test, which tests for a common covi coat protein, and they report all kinds of new “cases,” as if you are a real case when you are not sick—not the way real medicine is done. They even count multiple tests on one person as cases and lump positive antibody tests was current cases. These dishonest acts are accentuated by labs who are simply falsifying the results. A lab in Florida was found reporting 100% positive tests, but when examined it was actually <9%.
They do similar dishonest number manipulation with the death count, horribly bastardizing the results. As deaths are falling off nicely, they find ways to lie about it and/or have the public focus on the "cases" and ignore the constantly declining death rate.
Meanwhile, hospitals still receive big bucks for virus admissions and triple big bucks for intubations. It is not unreasonable to suspect that many reported admissions are for almost no symptoms and of people who are likely to not become critically ill.
The public cannot relax when they trust the media and are being lied to.
331,002,651 estimated US population
4,668,336 total confirmed population infected with Covoid-19 coronavirus
154,860 total deaths of population attributed to infection of Covoid-19 coronavirus
3.34% is the death rate for the confirmed infections within the total population
0.05% is the death rate for the total population
So, if only 0.05% of the population is infected with the virus, ….. and only 3.34% of the 0.05% that get infected, … dies from said infection, ….. does that percentages justify a “shutdown” of the US economy?
I’d revisit your arithmetic skills, Samuel, if I were you. Or read your post again.
0.05% is the death rate for the total population, according to you, but you then go on to talk about “… if only 0.05% of the population is infected …” You can’t have it both ways.
The current death rate for the UK is about 0.09% which is two-thirds the number that died in the 1968-9 flu pandemic. In my view, as long as we don’t know, and have no way of knowing, just how many people have been infected the rate as a % of the total population is all we can rely on. And that figure in turn is going to be influenced by a number of factors, not least population density so I would expect the rate in the US to be lower than in the UK.
On the subject of Trump vs Covid19, I’ll pass, if I may!
Newminster – August 3, 2020 at 9:49 am
Right you were, Newminster, …… my bad, ….. here is a re-do, to wit:
331,002,651 estimated US population
4,668,336 total confirmed population infected with Covoid-19 coronavirus
154,860 total deaths of population attributed to infection of Covoid-19 coronavirus
total infections vrs total population —- 4,668,336 / 331,002,651 = 0.00140 0.14%
total deaths vrs total population —- 154,860 / 331,002,651 = 0.000467 0.05%
total deaths vrs total infections —- 154,860 / 4,668,336 = 0.03317 3.32%
0.14% is the confirmed infections within the total population
0.05% is the claimed death rate within the total population
3.32% is the claimed death rate for the infected population
So, if only 0.14% of the population is infected with the virus, ….. and only 3.32% of the 0.05% that get infected, … dies from said infection, ….. does that percentages justify a “shutdown” of the US economy?
Is 3.32% ….. of 0.05% of the total population ….. serious enough to “lockdown” the US economy?
Guys, I have a problem here.
Maybe you can help, hopefully.
How can you do this mesmerizing maths, which ever way approached,
in consideration of this disease called COVID-19, the fatal one, which even Fauci lately in his testimony, in sensitive points moments called it a pulmonary disease instead of specifically COVID-19.
How can you actually do numbers for fatality rate of this corona virus infection disease, where the number of fatality at ~50% for not saying more has no connection
to Sars cov-2 at all.
~50% of the lost ones not infected or touched by this new novel corona virus.
And we talking here the 50% of people that definitely died by the same condition with the same symptoms… severe pulmonary disease, within the same range of patterns… very very bad ones.
How does this work with your maths there!!!!!!
How could this be factored in… viral quantum ray gun… k!lling people from a distance with no need to infect, and trace left.
or
viral quantum drive, k!lling people and then poof disappearing with no trace left behind as ever being there.
Which could be which there!
(hopefully this no double posting of this comment of mine!)
cheers
@Samuel Cogar, on your 1:20 PM post, two things:
1) Congratulations on accepting responsibility for the mistake in your earlier post–it’s very hard to do that, and you did it well.
2) You’re still off by an order of magnitude: confirmed infections within the total population = 4.7 million/ 331 million = .014 (not .0014) = 1.4% (not 0.14%)
Your other calculations are correct.
As for your question about justification, that’s not something that can be calculated (Leibniz notwithstanding). For one, we don’t know what the death rate (or the infection rate) would have been without a lockdown. Higher, certainly; how much higher can only be modeled, which seems anathema to some people here. (No, Sweden doesn’t automatically tell you; the population density of the US is half again that of Sweden, with some states having very much denser populations. And there are of course other differences, which you could only take into account by modeling.) And for another, there’s a value judgment: how much is a person’s life worth? There are ways to answer that in dollars and cents; to my way of thinking, *that* calculation is an anathema. (I wouldn’t have made a good general in a war…)
Samuel C Cogar,
Good point; would we also want to know, of the 4.67MM infected, what percent that represents of the total tested?
As more tests come in and the bodies don’t appear to be piling up from Covid19, the infection fatality ratio keeps shrinking; to your point, I think.
Where I live, in British Columbia, our Provincial Government won’t allow full reopening until we have a vaccine, no new cases or some other treatment to ‘cure’ the disease/eliminate the
infection. (I’m paraphrasing here, but that about sums it up.) However, it seems the only thing being focused on in public health policy is a vaccine.
What about a prophylactic while we wait for a vaccine? Here’s an interesting summary of countries that have tried HCQ+Azithromycin+Zinc (or some combination of these): https://www.palmerfoundation.com.au/my-hydroxychloroquine-deep-dive-long-thread-threadia-twitter-gummi-bear/
And here’s something interesting being trialed in the US and Great Britain: https://houston.innovationmap.com/pulmotect-goes-to-clinical-trials-with-coronavirus-drug-2646025635.html
badEnglish
“would we also want to know, of the 4.67MM infected, what percent that represents of the total tested?” less than 8% [US]. However CDC says it should be less than 5%, no explanation why, and thus it is BAD. Even more confusing the Media constantly say “Number of cases is spiking.” Yet the percentage of positive cases has DECREASED steadily from over 10% positive to under 8% positive [TOTAL] since April.
EXACTLY right, … badEnglish, …. I think anyone that is preventing the use of HCQ+Azithromycin+Zinc by any person that chooses to take it, …… should be prosecuted for the killing of American citizens.
Their ban on HCQ+Azithromycin+Zinc is in effect, …. a “death sentence” for me if I get infected with Covoid-19, …… simply because I am 80 years old, have COPD and a semi-functioning “immune system” resulting in a serious case of RA.
If I get Covid-19, …… I’m dead meat.
Alternatively the US lost some 50,000 lives in some 10 years of the Vietnam War so in a matter of months COVID-19 has killed nearly three times that number. So Vietnam was just like the odd car accident was it? The US COVID-19 death count is approaching 50% of the US WW@ur momisugly deaths over a bit less than 4 years. Lets see what COVID -19 can rack up in that time, eh?
“Alternatively the US lost some 50,000 lives in some 10 years of the Vietnam”
M Seward, ….. yearly (1) vehicle deaths in the US are greater than the 10 year 50,000 Viet Nam deaths.
And M Seward, ….. yearly (1) drug deaths (overdoses, etc) in the US are greater than 80,000.
And the governments (feds/state) aren’t shutting down anything on account of those deaths.
If you want to compare deaths, you might need to look at what you are comparing to. Due to population growth and average age of death vs life expectancy, WW2 and Vietnam were much greater impacts on society than COVID has been.
In 1940, the US population was 40% of today’s population and in 1965 it was 67%. So an equivalent impact on the population for WW2 casualties would be around 1,000,000. For Vietnam, around 90,000.
The next thing you need to figure is how much life was lost. US war casualties are pretty much exclusively (>95%) in the 15-45 age range. The average age of US casualties in Vietnam was 23. I can’t find a statistic for WW2 other than the average soldier age of 26, but the average casualty is probably close to that number as well. In 1940 the average life expectancy in the US was 61, and it was 70 in 1965. So a WW2 death cost about 35 years and a Vietnam death 47 years. If you take the population adjusted totals that means WW2 cost us the equivalent 35,000,000 of today’s man years, Vietnam 4,230,000 man years.
Now for COVID, we have about 155,000 deaths (about 3,800 in the 15-45 year age group). The average age of a COVID death is 78 years old. The average life expectancy in the US today is 79, That would mean that COVID deaths are running at a cost of 155,000 man years, which would take 27 years to get up to Vietnam costs and more than 200 to equal WW2. Even if you give 5 years lost (rather than 1) to COVID, that only puts it on par with Vietnam if it continues for 5 years (90% of Vietnam casualties occurred from 1966-1970). To hit the single worst year (1968) of Vietnam would require an average of 8 years of life lost per COVID death.
While it’s sad that COVID is responsible for 155,000 of the over 1,600,000 Americans that have died so far this year, it has a significant way to go to approach the costs of the Vietnam war in time lost, and will never even get anywhere near the range of WW2.
There is such a thing as age adjusted value of life. In some of the more socialist countries, they deny care to the elderly in many circumstances for that reason. In any case, not many 85 years olds died in Vietnam or WWII. Not many 18 year olds dying of COVID.
If it’s one’s time to go, it’s probably better to go at 85 than 18.
it would be nice if we got the truth from govt… CDC guidance lumps “died from covid”, “died with covid”, and “died presenting covid-like symptoms but no test to confirm infection” all as covid deaths. We’re being lied to here in USA… on covid deathcount, mask effectiveness, lockdown effectiveness… take that to the bank.
@Samuel Cogar, on your 1:20 PM post, two things:
1) Congratulations on accepting responsibility for the mistake in your earlier post–it’s very hard to do that, and you did it well.
2) You’re still off by an order of magnitude: confirmed infections within the total population = 4.7 million/ 331 million = .014 (not .0014) = 1.4% (not 0.14%)
Your other calculations are correct.
As for your question about justification, that’s not something that can be calculated (Leibniz notwithstanding). For one, we don’t know what the death rate (or the infection rate) would have been without a lockdown. Higher, certainly; how much higher can only be modeled, which seems anathema to some people here. (No, Sweden doesn’t automatically tell you; the population density of the US is half again that of Sweden, with some states having very much denser populations. And there are of course other differences, which you could only take into account by modeling.) And for another, there’s a value judgment: how much is a person’s life worth? There are ways to answer that in dollars and cents; to my way of thinking, *that* calculation is an anathema. (I wouldn’t have made a good general in a war…)
Guys, I have a problem here.
Maybe you can help, hopefully.
How can you do this mesmerizing maths, which ever way approached,
in consideration of this disease called COVID-19, the fatal one, which even Fauci lately in his testimony, in sensitive points moments called it a pulmonary disease instead of specifically COVID-19.
How can you actually do numbers for fatality rate of this corona virus infection disease, where the number of fatality at ~50% for not saying more has no connection
to Sars cov-2 at all.
~50% of the lost ones not infected or touched by this new novel corona virus.
And we talking here the 50% of people that definitely died by the same condition with the same symptoms… severe pulmonary disease, within the same range of patterns… very very bad ones.
How does this work with your maths there!!!!!!
How could this be factored in… viral quantum ray gun… k!lling people from a distance with no need to infect, and trace left.
or
viral quantum drive, k!lling people and then poof disappearing with no trace left behind as ever being there.
Which could be which there!
cheers
No. Just the calm before the storm aka second wave. That’s what we have here in Europe. New daily hospital admissions and new daily deaths at low single digits or zero some days, but this is not what is reported.
Spikes and surges in ‘new cases’ hit the headlines, tighter Govt measures, mask wearing, local restrictions.
The spikes and surges are in positive tests as a result of increased testing. Apart from the high false positive rate they are not indicative of active infections, and include old infections for which viral fragments or antibodies are still present.
Why are they doing this… and in concert? Good question.
Vietnam reports new infections of the Wuhan virus, and they say it is a different strain that is even more infectious than previous strains. I saw the story this morning but don’t have a link.
“MUTATED COVID-19 VIRAL STRAIN IN U.S. AND EUROPE 10 TIMES MORE CONTAGIOUS THAN ORIGINAL STRAIN”
Published: Jun 30, 2020 By Mark Terry in Biospace at https://www.biospace.com/article/mutated-covid-19-viral-strain-in-us-and-europe-much-more-contagious/
“Researchers have been analyzing and tracking the novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, since it first appeared in China in January. Researchers at The Scripps Research Institute have found that the strains spreading so quickly in Europe and the U.S. have a mutated S “spike” protein that makes it about 10 times more infectious than the strain that originally was identified in Asia. The research was published online on bioRxiv at https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.12.148726v1.full.pdf and has yet to be peer-reviewed.”
The National Review comments, “If it seems like the United States is having a tougher time controlling the spread of the coronavirus than Asian countries did in winter and early spring, that’s partially because this version of the virus is tougher to stop from spreading.” https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/four-assumptions-about-the-coronavirus/
Of late, 30 to 50 cases/day and 2 to 3 deaths. In a country of almost 100 million, that shouldn’t be of concern if it’s contained.
Fear will not lessen until the Propaganda Press stops fear-mongering.
The faceless elite at the Propaganda Ministry has put forth an encoded directive that fear-mongering will not stop until the election is over.
If Trump is defeated the sun will come out and the ‘rona will die a miraculous death and become as innocuous as the common cold never to be spoken of again.
Should Trump get re-elected it will require that freedom loving citizens storm the bastille at the NYTimes, ABNBCBS MS/CNN. To shut down the Propaganda Machine. Otherwise they will never cease stimulating the public amygdala until a leftist Icon sits on the throne.
Everyone knows that Biden is a place holder. He is just bide en time (sorry) until the real president can be sworn in. Keep you eye out for her appointment.
take note ,Mr Monckton!
She can’t be that ignorant, it was a politically based attack on the President, she is being partisan, that is why she appears ignorant.
I have yet to read of anyone saying the virus is a hoax, thus she is spreading a lie.
I think the overt shutdown decision delayed herd immunity threshold.
A Chinese study in June suggested immunity only lasts 3 months, after which most people may be susceptible to being reinfected by the same strain. Herd immunity might not be possible with Covid-19.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/06/chinese-study-antibodies-covid-19-patients-fade-quickly
Antibodies fade away for everything. But memory resides in T Cells which respond if micr-organism invades again.
This explains the high rate of immunity being observed. And that memory it is suggested may be from contact previously with other coronaviruses.
I’ve heard that too.
If immunity after actually getting the disease only lasts 3 months, then an vaccine will be useless unless you get one every 3 months.
Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa, they can’t even count. No they can’t. They can’t count their votes.
One of my people came up to me and said, ‘Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia. That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything, they tried it over and over, they’ve been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning, they lost, it’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax. But you know, we did something that’s been pretty amazing. We’re 15 people [cases of coronavirus infection] in this massive country. And because of the fact that we went early, we went early, we could have had a lot more than that.
No he didnt say the virus was a hoax – I think? However I cannot really understand his sentences as they are malformed.
You don’t understand because you’re a progressive, Ghalfrunt. Your belief system functions detrimentally to your best interests in many ways, but the most dangerous way I’ve seen is how your reason is clouded behind your presuppositions and how your emotions are guiding your judgments.
You don’t think, you just regurgitate progressive assumptions regardless of evidence. And when those assumptions are challenged, you rarely address them. You CAN’T be wrong since you’re a progressive, and that prevents such a condition from happening to you.
The “hoax” the President is talking about is OBVIOUSLY not the virus itself, or else what would be the point of all of those daily briefings where he took questions about C-19 along with Fauci, et al.? What would be the point of shutting down travel from China in Jan. if the virus were a hoax? What would be the point of shutting down the Trump economy, the most fantastic economy the United States had seen in almost 40 years if it was the virus that is the hoax rather than the Democrat criticisms of Trump’s handling of it?
What say you?
Geez Ghalfrunt, if you’re struggling to comprehend Trump’s utterances, you must be totally dumbfounded by Biden’s verbal meanderings.
(Mind you, neither of these are exactly Churchillian orators)
Your comment is malformed. You didn’t separate quotes from comment. Bad Gag.
“No he didnt say the virus was a hoax – I think?”
No, Trump didn’t say the Wuhan virus was a hoax, he was instead referring to a news story that was done concerning him and the Wuhan virus, and Trump said the story, or what was in the story, was a hoax.
The Democrats distorted this into Trump saying the virus was a hoax. See how clever they are? They distort everything Trump says in this same way so as to present the worst possible picture of Trump. It’s the only way they can win the election.
Ghalfrunt are you the one advocating drinking bleach?
“scientific experts” at WHO
It seems the experts at WHO were suborned by their political masters.
As an attorney I can say that in my 40+ years of practicing law I have come across many different types of lawyers. There are many who are more than willing to ignore evidence and science to forward their political agenda. My profession is no different than climate science in that regard.
More about the Earth Institute at Columbia University.
https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/28/columbia-climate/
https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/06/24/cjr/
https://tambonthongchai.com/2020/03/22/10684/
Missions Statement:
“The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) protects the scientific endeavor by putting our legal expertise to work for scientists who are threatened or silenced for doing their jobs. Our efforts and educational resources preserve and expand scientists’ rights and strengthen legal protections to promote scientific integrity.”
My first thought was that the CSLDF, based on their mission statement, should be first in line to want to help protect Peter Ridd. And that if they did not want to, that someone should look into their non-profit status. But the business that Augusta Wilson (CSLDF) works for does not appear to be (does not advertise as) a non-profit. They appear to be a high profile shill organization that gets cash from other non-profits, donations from useful idiots, and volunteer labor from students (both useful idiots & future wannabe scammers) in order to distribute the resources as a political organization while masquerading as a science resource.
Two of their main goals are to get cash to help defend people like Mann, and to get rid of open records laws (as those laws relate to the Climate scam). The primary goal appears to be ‘get cash’.
Any non-profit that gives money to the CLSDF needs to audited. Since Obama and the IRS did ‘not do anything wrong’, following the Obama IRS protocols shouldn’t receive any complaint people like staff attorney Augusta Wilson. (right?)
““The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) protects the scientific endeavor by putting our legal expertise to work for scientists who are threatened or silenced for doing their jobs.”
They must not be getting much work if they are defending Alarmists. I can’t think of any Alarmist that has been threatened or silenced for doing their job.
Otoh, there are a lot of skeptic scientists who could use some legal defense help. They get threatened and silenced all the time.
The best defense is a good offense, I think is the relevant strategy they employ here.
Climate Science Legal Defense Fund’s real, un-stated mission is to pursue “Strategic lawsuit against public participation (SLAPP)” suppression of opposing views on the politically favored interpretation of science via Lawfare. They are deeply funded by rich billionaire scammers like Steyer, Bloomberg, the Rockefellers, etc through layers of intermediary funding NGO’s that mask from where the money comes to pay the salaries and the legal fees of Ms Wilson and her ilk.
They use lawsuits and threats of lawsuits to “protect” pseudoscientists like Mann and Mark when they go out and lie to public and then folks like Mark Steyn call them out and what they are doing.
There are anti-SLAPP laws in most states (that vary on how they apply) are supposed to stop this Lawfare against public discourse, but there are too many Liberal judges willing to bend the law and follow their ideology rather than be impartial adjudicators between two parties. So what these SLAPP lawyers at CSLDF do is file suits in areas where they know the judges and hope to get the “correct” judge to hear the case. The 9th Circuit has always been one of there favored regions for obvious reasons.
It is very telling that Democrat Candidate Joe Biden is now reading everything from notes and/or teleprompter. I wonder who is writing his stuff? There appears to be very little doubt that we are watching “Weekend AT Bernies” play itself out in real life. Watch how bad it gets closer to November and see what the DNC does trying to change the ending to “Weekend at Bernies”. I recommend beer and popcorn and a comfortable chair.
Some Democrats are already trying to prevent the presidential debates from going on.
You can understand why.
The Democrats have really screwed up having Biden as their nominee. Now they are scrambling to try to limit the damage his mental condition will do to the campaign.
Also watch for the remote radio earpiece he wears the few times he has done a “Live” interview.
Basically someone is talking into his ear and coaching him if he forgets what the right thing is to say or starts to stumble.
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1571030727578/watch-joe-biden-doesnt-realize-earpiece-is-out-turn-up-the-volume
The earpiece though won’t be allowed by the rules of the debate. That is why the DNC cannot allow Dementia Joe on that stage with Trump for 2 hours on 3 occasions and what him fall apart on Live national television.
Pretending to know the right response to COVID after the fact when even now no one knows the right approach is ridiculous. Trump clearly led rather than followed with the travel ban and that may turn out to be a very effective move. Time will tell. Comparing CoVID, a learning exercise for everyone, to the climate catastrophic anthropogenic global warming religion which has essentially been proven to be nothing more than a computer fantasy exercise with political and financial backing from socialists is also ridiculous.
“Pretending to know the right response to COVID after the fact when even now no one knows the right approach is ridiculous.”
Good point. Everyone wants to get the kids back to school, but now we have reports that kids may carry ten to 100 times more Wuhan virus that was originally suspected.
We have a new Wuhan virus strain in Vietnam that is supposed to be much more infectious than the original strain.
The Wuhan virus causes all sorts of damage to the body that we are just now starting to recognize.
Anyone who claims to know the clear path forward is just guessing.
WUWT, one of the world’s leading climate skeptic websites….
How about this:
WUWT, one of the world’s leading climate analysis websites
??
“WUWT, one of the world’s leading climate analysis websites??”
I like that one better. Skeptics live here. Analysis is what is done here.
Nobody here is a climate skeptic. We all except that climate exists.
And we accept that the climate must change, for if it didn’t, it would be broken.
UK total deaths so far from C19 46,119
UK total tests 16,019,907 of which 1.8% were C19 cases, i.e. 303,181 of which 15% died.
Taking the whole population, 24% had been tested and 0.06 % died
Sweden total deaths so far from C19 5,743
Sweden tested 810,356 of which 10% were C19 cases, ie 80,385 of which 7.1% died.
Taking the whole population, 8% had been tested and 0.05 % died.
USA total deaths so far from C19 156,764
USA tested 58,593,248 of which 8.03% were C19 cases, i.e. 4,706,180 of which 3.3% died.
Taking the whole population, 17% had been tested and 0.04 % died.
looks like the virus knows something we don’t
Yep…after it killed all the nursing home patients this is a nothing burger…yawn.
Joe Biden @JoeBiden
We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.
But this is the same guy who’s political commercials claim we shouldn’t be blaming and dividing people, but this sure looks like he is doing the opposite.
This reminds me of hearing about .. talks to erradiate AIDS at a biodiversity conference.
“But this is the same guy who’s political commercials claim we shouldn’t be blaming and dividing people, but this sure looks like he is doing the opposite.”
Here’s what you need to know: Democrats are hypocrites. They are always blaming others for doing what they do themselves.
Neo
August 3, 2020 at 7:04 am
With all due respect.
As in your statement “eradicate AIDS”.
Do you know what AIDS is and what eradicating AIDS may, could and actually means?
I do not think you do.
Please prove me wrong.
(Neo, this reply to you was typed many hours ago… somehow I failed to post it then.)
cheers
you say:
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President Trump closed the border to China at the start of February, against the advice of scientific experts at the WHO.
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But
January 21st 2020
The first confirmed case of the virus in the US in Washington State, where a man in his 30s developed symptoms after returning from a trip to Wuhan.
Then
January 31st 2020 The US suspends entry into the country by any foreign nationals who had travelled to China in the past 14 days, excluding the immediate family members of US citizens or permanent residents.
The virus is loose in USA and it was not a complete lockdown on flights so totaly ineffectual . Even personal lockdown takes weeks to have an effect. Also allowing internal USA movement of people obviously spreads the infection even if only one known case
SARS can be detected with a thermometer , around the same time people become infectious with SARS they develop a low grade fever.
Covid-19 is far more slippery, it has the unusual ability to infect others well before symptoms are obvious. But this wasn’t obvious at the start of February, everyone thought they could treat Covid like a slight variant of SARS.
SARS-CoV-2 may be more like HIV/AIDS with a primary transmission mode through fecal transfer.
Isn’t it obvious by now what the vulnarable population is? Put safeguards there. This infects and spreads in a similar fassion as pneumonia. Yet, we did nothing prior to the covid scamdemic and the ensuing mask-erade. Let’s just throw out everything we ever knew about epidemiology and virus science because this virus is new.
Most of europe is going back to school in september… we can’t decide which hand to use to wipe our derrier. It’s pathetic.
Ghalfrunt:
Here’s a good example of what I mean by your progressive assumptions clouding your reason.
To this:
You offered three paragraphs of content having absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the sentence you quoted, nor the question at hand, i.e., whether Trump is ignoring C-19 or not.
Why isn’t what you’ve done here at the very least an example of the Red Herring fallacy?
https://tinyurl.com/y58jmfml
“January 31st 2020 The US suspends entry into the country by any foreign nationals who had travelled to China in the past 14 days, excluding the immediate family members of US citizens or permanent residents.
The virus is loose in USA and it was not a complete lockdown on flights so totaly ineffectual ”
So you are faulting Trump for allowing American citizens to return to the USA from China.
Trump did bring in about 40,000 Americans after the January 31, 2020, cutoff, and those people were checked for infection and quarantined.
And what president in his right mind would refuse to allow Americans to return to their own country?
Nick likes to make a big deal out of Trump bringing Americans out of China. Are you two getting your heads together to promote this ridiculous narrative?
Yet Dems, china, the press, WHO (they are all on the same team) condemned Trump’s travel restrictions from China (even though as you point out rather irrelevantly that it was not a complete shutdown), and later they bloviated similarly when he shut down travel from Europe.
The blame Trump for everything shtick has been overplayed for 3 1/2 years. The governors and local governments have most of the power to restrict day to day life activities, what exactly do liberals think Trump should have done? Do you really think if he wore a mask on TV that it would have made a substantive difference? It’s millenials and whatever they call the next generation that have been ignoring restrictions the most, socializing, protesting (aka rioting), etc., and they are the most liberal generations.
If Biden wins and eventually the virus naturally runs it’s course, I can already hear dems claiming credit for eradicating the virus. They are shameless.
CSLDF
“The group came together in response to increasing legal attacks on climate scientists and the immediate need to help defray the legal costs of an ideologically motivated lawsuit against the University of Virginia and atmospheric scientist Dr. Michael Mann. The initial effort raised over $100,000 to pay for Mann’s legal bills.”
Oh them…. uninteresting squawking orange man bad.
Interesting website:
https://www.csldf.org/about/
Mandia, Oreskes on the Board, which is actually a Ouija Board, so that Joseph Goebbels can participate by seance.
I can’t get past the historical statistics and the attack on hydroxychloroquine.
Here’s an image from Dr. Rand Paul’s infomercial for Stansberry Research:
Granted, Covid-19 hasn’t run its course yet but it has a ways to go to be worse than the Asian Flu of 1958 and Hong Kong flu in 1970 and we didn’t shut the economy down then.
Maybe hydroxychloroquine isn’t as effective as it’s made out to be, but banning Doctors from prescribing it off label for Covid-19 as some states have done is criminal.
Looks like Dr. Marik (Chief of Pulmonary and Critical Care Medicine, Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA) found a rather simple way around the political problems of hydroxychloroquine. In his ‘Critical Care COVID-19 Management Protocol’ (pdf at https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf) he just substitutes 250-500 mg of Quercetin for HCQ as a prophylaxis and for treating the mildly symptomatic.
“he just substitutes 250-500 mg of Quercetin for HCQ as a prophylaxis and for treating the mildly symptomatic”
Thanks for that link, Joe. I just received a couple of bottles of Quercetin in the mail the other day.
Leftard activists don’t need not stinkin facts or evidence, just feelz….
So where does Trump’s early advocation of consideration for HCQ fit the narrative?
Of Interest
Virologists from the University of Barcelona found traces of SARS-CoV-2 in sewage samples collected on 12 March 2019.[4][5] This was more than nine months before the first human cases of COVID-19 were identified in Wuhan. If proven to be reliable, this could indicate that the virus could have been in general circulation around the world before December 2019.[6]
November
According to an early preliminary study using phylogenetic analysis, the expert estimate suggested the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of SARS-CoV-2 evolved between 22 and 24 November 2019.[7][8] As of May 2020 this estimate was corroborated with a larger dataset, setting the date interval to “6 October 2019 – 11 December 2019”.[9] Also, although near-conclusive evidence points to bats as the natural reservoir host for the virus,[10][11] the path of transmission to humans – the zoonotic origin – most likely occurred via an intermediary wildlife host.[7][8] It was assumed[11] and further evidenced[10] that the novel coronavirus uses ACE2, the same entry receptor as SARS-CoV. It is possible that the ability for human-to-human transmission has evolved after the zoonotic transfer.[8]
16 November
Thoracic imagery taken at the Albert Schweitzer Hospital in Colmar, Alsace, shows that one patient had abnormal thoracic scans typical of COVID-19 on the 16th of November, 41 days before the retrospective diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 in a Paris hospital. This suggests the circulation of SARS-CoV-2 in France was ongoing during the month of November.[12]
27 November
Two raw sewage samples collected independently on 27th November 2019 in Santa Catarina, Brazil, detected SARS-CoV-2 (100,000 copies per litre), 66 days in advance of the first COVID19 confirmed case in the Americas. Subsequent samplings were positive on December 11th and February 20th. These samples can show that SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in Brazil since late November 2019. [13]
1 December
A clinical study documents the index case, or patient zero – his symptoms started on 1 December.[3] The study summarised the laboratory-confirmed cases as of 2 January 2020, and although not explicit on every single case, it was noted the first case was male, had not been to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market of Wuhan, that his family was unaffected and that no epidemiological link between him and the other cases was found.[3] The BBC Chinese Service later confirmed that they had received information from Wenjuan Wu, one of the authors from the article in Lancet and who was one of Wuhan’s JinYinTan Hospital’s senior doctors, that this first man was in his 70s, had Alzheimer’s disease, lived several bus rides away from the market and did not venture out from his home.[14][15]
16 December
As of February 2020, the first documented COVID-19 hospital admissions were dated to 16 December 2019.[3]
“According to an early preliminary study using phylogenetic analysis, the expert estimate suggested the most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of SARS-CoV-2 evolved between 22 and 24 November 2019.”
That would fit the timeline. It was claimed that the Chinese military put all their military bases around Wuhan on lockdown around December 1, 2019.
Her article starts off with the most narcissistic remark: “The phrase ‘every disaster movie begins with a scientist being ignored’ resonates more than ever as two disasters unfold…”
In the same vein, what about the scientists who are arguing that, while climate change is happening, the economic shifts proposed by radical leftists are not worth it. Are those scientists not also being ignored like those in the movies?
Has anyone seen an actual epic scale disaster that came after ignoring a scientist ?
anyone ?
Well, I remember some psychologists at the time saying that Mao was a getting a bit sociopathic with his sense of purpose & power on his ‘Great Leap Forward’.
~ 35 million Chinese people paid the price of Mao’s delusions. I’d rate that “an actual epic scale disaster”
Most of these victims I’m sure would have been grateful if say, the UN or the CIA had acted on the psychologists’ observations, and given old Mao an abrupt permanent early retirement program.
So there’s that.
But, being an idol of the left, Mao’s transgressions against humanity probably don’t get much traction these days in the disasters ratings.
Psychologists aren’t scientists. Psychology is not a science. Look at the definition of science and please explain how psychology fits that definition.
I guess my attempt at frivolity by treating psychologists as scientists was a bit too subtle.
At least for you PP.
I promise to be more straight in future. Really.
Only on television and in the movies.
I’ll answer my own question – how about the Challenger disaster.
I should have qualified it by adding “natural disasters” as opposed to man made.
So, her reality is based on Hollywood?
What she’s describing is called a ‘plot device’.
She also ignores that Trump quoted a doctor with success using HCP properly in early stages. Because it was Trump the politically motivated doctors went against him. That is the disaster. Look how may studies now show it is good. Doctors have now started a lawsuit:
https://aapsonline.org/judicial/aaps-v-fda-hcq-6-22-2020.pdf
I was musing on this claim as well, pondering the numerous movies where a SCIENTIST ignores all sorts of very rational advice to basically not mess around with things they don’t understand and decided to do a quick search for some movie examples rather than going by memory.
So.. Wikipedia – “List of Disaster Films”:
(edited highlights)
The Evil Dead (you know the one, Bruce Campbell, chainsaw, groovie)
Ice Age: Collision Course (yup – the animated francise with talking animals)
Dr Strangelove
The Last Unicorn (no idea, but it is on the list. Maybe about Peak Unicorn where there are no more unicorn farts to power the Green Economy. Dunno.)
and
Crack in the World – a 1965 movie “about scientists who launch a rocket in the Earth’s core to research its geothermal energy but accidentally unleash a cataclysmic destruction that threatens to sever the earth in two.”
So… there you go, “Every disaster movie begins with a scientist being ignored”. Fact. Wikipedia says so. Well done Augusta.
A more accurate phrase: “every leftist scam begins with a false narrative.”
I didn’t expect to see this in Newsweek.
The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It
https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeating-covid-19-already-exists-we-need-start-using-it-opinion-1519535
Thanks for that link. I already sent it to my friend who reprimanded me for sending him the video link for the Front Line Doctor’s press conference. . .
– JPP
If we don’t torment our friends, who will, lol? Here’s a paper on the same subject he wrote for the American Journal of Epidemiology. A bit longer and more technical.
Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-pdf/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/33550593/kwaa093.pdf (links to pdf)
Yup, unfortunately Big Pharma and their shills in DC ignore the evidence for $$$
No, no, you guys just don’t understand the need for attention. If Ms. Wilson had paid attention and acknowledged what really happened, she’d have nothing to complain about. Cherry-picking is the only way to be heard, especially when her following of “like minds” wants answers. Pandering is a special skill, you know.
I just want to know when this virus is no long useful as a political thing. A timeframe would help-. I need to stock the pantry and freezer for fall and winter, and maybe spring.
Two refrigerators, a large freezer and a huge pantry; I didn’t even notice the toilet paper shortage. Its not up to survivalist standards, but sufficient for periodic Leftist hysteria.
Wait until the electric wall sockets no longer provide electricity, Dave. They’ll be looking for the slot to drop coins into, so that it will start up again. 🙂
Are there parallels in terms of tactics used in order to advance an agenda?
The Board of Directors of the Climate Center Legal Defense is largely composed of climate alarmists, such as Naomi Oreskes, Michael Oppenheimer, Jeffery Masters and other professionals who continue to exhibit extreme bias despite obvious facts to the contrary. This young attorney is just echoing the group think of the board. Another example of a paid shill.
Some thoughts.
– Dementia Joe did nor actually write any of those things attributed to him on a twitter post or in a newspaper from a press release. … “you know the thing” Joe is lucky to know what day of week it is anymore.
– Telling half-truths in order to deceive is the Left’s and Democrat’s stock in trade these days. They have taken this path with abandon since the major news outlets don’t/won’t confront them on it, but in many cases aid and abet in the telling half-truths such as Ms Wilson’s noted here.
– It is the Dems who employ the 3 Monkey strategy of not seeing, speaking , or hearing anything that is negative toward Dimwits. The ignoring by Dems and the major networks of the violence in the the Antifa driven protests in Portland, Seattle is one stark example. The fact that continuing lockdowns do not stop the continuing spread of this corona virus and that only herd immunity can is widely ignored by “experts”. It is being done to push a message of fear to assert compliance and control on a free people
The climate change and Wuhan virus hair-on-fire ALARMISM is the same. The “denialism” is simply a reaction to Baghdad Bob style propaganda. As George Carlin once said, “Think of how stupid the average person is… and then realize…half of them are stupider than that!”