By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
One of the most frequently-asked questions about the Chinese virus is how many of those who die after becoming infected die of the virus, and how many merely die with it? The Office for National Statistics in the UK has now studied that question. Of the deaths occurring in March 2020 in England Wales in patients known to be infected with the virus, five-sixths were deaths of the virus and the other one-sixth were deaths with it. Of those who died of the virus, 91% had pre-existing comorbidities.
It is not particularly surprising that the overwhelming majority of virus-related deaths were caused by the virus, for it has a drastic effect on the respiratory systems of those whom it puts into intensive care, leaving little room for doubt as to the proximate cause of death.
Raw data show that up to 10 April 2020, there had been 10,350 deaths registered in England and Wales involving the Chinese virus. Of these, 6348 (61%) were male and 4002 (39%) were female. Most deaths were among those aged 65 or over (8998, or 87%). Of these, there were 3485 deaths among those over 85 (34%). These figures suggest that there would be little harm in allowing the under-50s to go back to work.
Globally, the daily compound growth rate in cumulative confirmed cases is now below 5% in most of the countries we are tracking. We are now at the point where it would be more useful to deduct deaths and recovered cases from the totals before calculating the growth rate, but both are so poorly counted that it seems best to continue with the present method. The case-graph shows that countries that have been in lockdown can now start dismantling them.
Fig. 1. Mean compound daily growth rates in cumulative confirmed cases of COVID-19 for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from March 28 to April 22, 2020.
It has been suggested that looking at the growth rate in cumulative cases is not valuable because all that is really being measured is the increase in testing. There is indeed a close correlation between the number of tests and the number of confirmed cases, but – as this column has repeatedly pointed out before – correlation does not necessarily imply causation.
It remains true that most of the confirmed cases were tested because they were showing symptoms severe enough to require investigation. It is no surprise, then, that there remains a tight correlation between the rates of growth in confirmed cases (Fig. 1) and the rates of growth in deaths (Fig. 2), after allowing for the fact that deaths arise some 14 days after the appearance of frank symptoms.
Furthermore, since the rate of testing is increasing but the compound case-growth rates are falling, the indications that lockdowns can now be carefully dismantled are all the stronger.
Fig. 2. Mean compound daily growth rates in cumulative COVID-19 deaths for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from April 4 to April 22, 2020.
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“It is not particularly surprising that the overwhelming majority of virus-related deaths were caused by the virus, for it has a drastic effect on the respiratory systems of those whom it puts into intensive care, leaving little room for doubt as to the proximate cause of death”
It also causes great circulatory harm, which can separately be a cause of death. The main inaccuracy in the count is not the overcounting of those who died with (but not of) the disease, but the undercounting of those who died of the disease, but without proved diagnosis.
“The main inaccuracy in the count is not the overcounting of those who died with (but not of) the disease, but the undercounting of those who died of the disease, but without proved diagnosis.”
Yes, it sounds like Wuhan virus has a lot more tricks up its sleeve than just respiratory problems. The “circulatory harm” is just now coming into focus.
It’s the instigated hysteria and the mostly useless and actually damaging strict lockdown – madness based on not even a single scientific publication – that is the actual tragedy, not the SRAS-COV2.
The only real issue was to protect the nursing homes and the most vulnerable, not to destroy the economy and create millions of unimployed among people who is not even at risk, and the fact is that lockdown is a complete failure in all those aspects.
Now, good luck to all the locked-down countries with the backtrack they will have to face as soon as possible while coping with a population who has been “chicken-littled”, went bonkers and is now afraid of his own shadow.
As I already said, 2020 will be remembered as the worst decision ever made which transformed a rather severe flu (but nothing more) leading to a planetary economic collapse and a much more accute health disaster.
Agreed.
I have to believe what you are saying is true. It will be interesting when this is all over and someone who has access to the data will integrate the death bump and recovery dip to see how many really died of the Wuhan Flu and what the average loss of months in life will be. We may all be very surprised.
Petit_Barde : “which transformed a rather severe flu (but nothing more)_,”
Take Lombardy as an example, a real experiment, before lockdown, where the health system was overwhelvmed and doctors made euthanasia decisions.
Suppose the government did not impose lockdown so as to keep the economy going, and as a result the the health and funerals system completely collapsed , no health services from collapse on.
Could the economy survive?
With the workforce getting ill for two weeks and staying at home?
with people dying of usual and Covid illnesses and relatives overburdened?
with schools out of order because of sick teachers?
With factories half force for two weeks and high order supervisors and executives ( older than 60) dying off with no medical care?
etc.etc.
(Would Johnson have survived without NHS working?)
That is what the decision makers in Lombardy estimated/visualized and went to lockdown, to save what they could because anyway disaster for economy lay ahead as far as they could see.
I think it was Catch 22 for the economy, and they went into saving the health care and funeral systems, to limp along
Am I the only one who cannot see the red line in the graph.
Normally there is a link to higher quality graphs.
Thanks for this Anthony and CMoB
In New York -Hypertension is an over represented comorbidity with covid 19
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765184
New York has higher rates of hypertension deaths than other states.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/newyork/newyork.htm
Behind the scenes:
-We went to fly back home a certain number of expats. Cabin crew was literally annoyed by the uber-nosy PR relations & press delegated on-board that wouldn’t stop flashing and filming around, let alone perpetually stick microphones in people’s masks and ask them to describe how much they have suffered and if they could describe scenes of death and destruction.
At a point, the “kabinchef” called the deck to inquire on the opportunity of a PA announcement to unwind the rampant tensions.
A one of a kind “Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your captain speaking” ensued.
Face it, something, someone, somewhere needs to procure dramatization each and every way.
New data on Gilead’s remdesivir, released by accident, show no benefit for coronavirus patients.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/23/data-on-gileads-remdesivir-released-by-accident-show-no-benefit-for-coronavirus-patients/
Here’s a long exculpatory piece, from America’s National Public Radio, in need of a critique:
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/04/23/841729646/virus-researchers-cast-doubt-on-theory-of-coronavirus-lab-accident
Virus Researchers Cast Doubt On Theory Of Coronavirus Lab Accident
NPR: April 23, 2020 7:08 AM ET
GEOFF BRUMFIEL EMILY KWONG
“The assessment, made by more than half-a-dozen scientists familiar with lab accidents and how research on coronaviruses is conducted, casts doubt on recent claims that a mistake may have unleashed the coronavirus on the world.”
The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation
BY DR. SCOTT W. ATLAS, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 04/22/20 12:30 PM EDT
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
Linked from https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/
I would say maybe enough data is in- and stop panic and end the total isolation, in some places.
But maybe more important, start baseball as soon as MLB can start it.
And MLB should use the data we know- a try their best to in factor in data we don’t know.
I am going to comment on 5 “facts” of above article:
“Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.”
Right. And we knew this from the beginning and Public officials said it. It was true then as it is true now.
In terms specific regarding it:
“the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 in the population.”
It seems like a lot of deaths in that age group.
I don’t think you can extend it to entire US population. But if imagine you could, US population is:
328 million, 1 per cent: 3.2 million, .1 percent 320,000, .01 percent is 32,000.
If imagined all US was 18 to 45 years old, 32,000 dying in about month is pretty serious number of 18 to 45 years olds dying.
And there is certainly more 328 million 18 to 45 years old in the world and probably more than that in North and South America. Check world demographics, World 26% 15 or younger, and 9% over 65 years.
Say 60% of 7 billion is 4200 million, so 420,000 dead in couple months for the 18 to 45 year old.
Or US lockdown, didn’t just save Americans.
WHO committed a war crime, because WHO advised not to shutdown airlines. If US did something similar to WHO, the US would be as guilty of war crime as WHO is.
South America going to be huge problem, but if US did not lockdown, it would a bigger huge problem, which would impacted them sooner, than it’s beginning to impact them now. If South America countries don’t learn anything from what they should already learn by our experience- it’s on them.
Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
Yes. Specifics?
No comment.
Fact 3: Vital population immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem
Probably true. Specifics?
“Extending whole-population isolation would directly prevent that widespread immunity from developing.”
Probably we didn’t have chance to do this, due to 4-5 day delay in showing any symptoms. Even if WHO did their job. But since WHO failed, we didn’t have chance to do this, and didn’t vaguely do this.
If WHO and CDC was doing a good job {both fantasy expectations}, China’s failure, would make unlikely to do this. The only way for this to happen depended upon China, and even if China would responded in fashion like say US, it’s clear, CDC could managed it. Clear they could a lot better than China, but it’s a tricky virus. and not having it slowly spread throughout the country {and rest of world}, is probably couldn’t do it right now, with what we already know about it. Or S Korea did an excellent job, and I don’t think they stop it from spreading in their country and escaping from S Korea. Or their herd immunity is probably quite low, but I think they could have more then one might guess.
“Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.”
This might have been a concern, but currently it seems it’s less of concern:
State Guidance on Elective Surgeries
Updated: April 20, 2020
https://www.ascassociation.org/asca/resourcecenter/latestnewsresourcecenter/covid-19/covid-19-state
New York state:
“APRIL 21, 2020 Albany, NY
Amid Ongoing COVID-19 Pandemic, Governor Cuomo Announces Elective Outpatient Treatment Can Resume in Counties and Hospitals Without Significant Risk of COVID-19 Surge Starting Next Week”
And lately New York State has been continuing to decline- though at micro level it seems unlikely it’s a uniform decline, some will and some won’t, and might be most will start taking elective surgery, but probably not like cosmetic surgery unless is related to health issues.
California:
Coronavirus: California hospitals can resume non-emergency surgeries
Purely cosmetic procedures are still prohibited
PUBLISHED: April 22, 2020 at 2:32 p.m. | UPDATED: April 23, 2020 at 2:48 a.m.
And in heard news, that California beaches are open, though social distancing will enforced.
Texas lifted it’s elective medical restrictions
But it seems there are quite of few which still have such restrictions, but many seem say
if it could life threatening it does apply- though errors could be made in this regard,
but it currently doesn’t look like many deaths could be caused by this.
I believe regionally there could be spikes related to the virus, not certain California will continue to
rise, but seems no where overcrowded hospitals, but just more visits to doctors has more risks, but in LA area, it seems most are wearing masks, and if going to medical care, imagine everyone would wearing the better masks.
Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
We have and had a general idea about population at risk, though uncertain if proper action is being taken- I simply don’t know. But considering the news coverage, I imagine individuals are somewhat informed and on individual level are taking action. Ramping up immunity tests will help make universal actions taken, be better.
As I’ve mentioned before here, to persist in using the US psyop term “Chinese virus” marks this article as possible disinformation/BS/propaganda.
The term “Chinese virus” is not the scientific name, nor has the virus been shown to have originated in China.
It is most likely a US bioweapon, but it’s complicated so don’t take my word for it:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/
The fact that the US has been consistently lying about the presence of the virus in the US since the fall of 2019 doesn’t add to their already pathetically low credibility, after having been caught out lying about just about everything under the sun over the past several decades. Supposedly it entered the US through the west coast, yet anyone with half a brain cell can look at a map of deaths/cases and see that it started there on the east coast. Everything the US is saying about the virus is misinformation meant to confuse.
Oh, and by pure accident it infected and killed a dozen (!) from Iran’s leadership but virtually no other country’s heads of state. A new virus pops up out of nowhere and immediately affects two main opponents of the US…no coincidence there, folks.
Come on Monckton, stop being Trump’s useful idiot and call the virus what it really is: the US virus
[stop changing emails and usernames. I’ve let one of this repetitive group through. We are content neutral. You’re getting held in moderation because you’re trying to circumvent moderation -mod]
I haven’t changed usernames or emails.
You deleted my comments with my old Yahoo address, so I’m trying to re-post similar comments with my more current email.
If you censor comments on this website then just go ahead and admit it for crying out loud, don’t accuse me of misbehavior.
Daft. Even if it’s US made the stupid Chinks let it loose, having nicked it.
That’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory, Julius.
I hear the Chinese are mounting a very large disinformation campaign around the world to try to divert attention from themselves. Tell them it won’t work. It doesn’t matter where the virus came from, what matters is that the Chinese leadership knew thet had a very infectious, deadly disease breaking out in their country to the point that they shut down internal air flights, while at the same time encouraging international flights for weeks afterwards, and complaining when other nations like the U.S. stopped flights out of China. The WHO was castigating Trump for stopping the flights. There.s no getting out of it. It’s documented that this happened.
But feel free to continue to try to make excuses for the Chinese leadership. The Chinese leadership has deliberately harmed a lot of people and a lot of people are very angry at them for this. The Chinese leadership is correct to be worried about their situation.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation
If you want to make a smart argument it is better to base it on data RATHER THAN
attacks on data.
How smart is it to make an argument on bad data?
Cause I don’t see how anyone who understands data can be so lazy as to confuse the wildly contradictory sets of numbers gathered with varying different metrics and procedures & protocols….with actual data.
Is everyone using the same test? no
Was the test designed for diagnostic purposes? (no, according to it’s inventor)
Is testing being applied to general populations to get a baseline? no
Are the same criteria used to identify & quantify covid deaths? no
You’re kidding yourself.
We don’t have data.
We have politically manipulated propaganda disguised as numbers.
Well, it’s the Steven Confirmation Bias Mosher. Only data that conforms to his current world view is acceptable.
Mind you looking at the posts here, he is not alone in that.
But then once you realise that governments and self styled scientists have been lying to you about climate change its hard to accept that in this instance they might actually be telling the truth…
“Well, it’s the Steven Confirmation Bias Mosher. Only data that conforms to his current world view is acceptable.”
err no
read harder.
“If you want to make a smart argument it is better to base it on data RATHER THAN
attacks on data.”
very simply, rather than making arguments like “the data is a fraud”
it’s better to base your argument on data.
pretty simple
“You’re kidding yourself.
We don’t have data.
We have politically manipulated propaganda disguised as numbers.”
Then no policy maker will ever listen to your argument.
But if you can fashion an argument from the data they accept,
then you convince them with their own data.
Or you can go to the policy maker, scream at them that they are frauds using fraud data
and see how far you get.
You still don’t get it that shit data produces shit results.
You still don’t get that deciders don’t care what you think.
Heck, when there were 68 cases in the USA and 0 deaths
I used my Brain and shit data from China to warn you guys.
“but mosh is an alarmist who wants testing”
yup.
here is the thing. even the shit data from China told you there was a problem
the perfect data from Korea told you there was a problem.
Shit data from Italy? told you there was a problem.
With all the shit data New Zealand and Australia managed to whip this thing.
meanwhile you think shit data isn’t usable.
Hong Kong, sent specialists to china, they listened to the shit data, they calibrated
the shit and took the wise course of action, not waiting for perfect data
that WILL NEVER COME.
the prize goes to the people who know how to work with compromised data
make the best of a bad situation, learn from others and act early.
you guys don’t seem to be learning. you can’t engineer your way out of this.
you can’t go back and demand better data, or run the test over.
you have what you have.
“you guys don’t seem to be learning”
“You guys?” Everyone at WUWT? Could you narrow that down a little, perhaps to the poster you are addressing?.
Agreed.
“Raw data show that up to 10 April 2020, there had been 10,350 deaths registered in England and Wales involving the Chinese virus. Of these, 6348 (61%) were male and 4002 (39%) were female.”
You can see the same difference in the deaths of men and women as in New York (in percent). I think men over 50 (especially over 65 years old) at risk because of age-related hormonal changes.
hmmmm- “Of those who died of the virus, 91% had pre-existing comorbidities”
I would still like to see those independently checked.
After all when re-checked in Italy the numbers plummeted.
meaning- “only 12% of Italy’s reported Covid19 deaths actually listed Covid19 as the cause of death’
“One of the most frequently-asked questions about the Chinese virus is how many of those who die after becoming infected die of the virus, and how many merely die with it?”
No it isn’t, it’s how many were on their last legs anyway – and would have been taken out by the next cold or flu of tummy bug or urine infection etc.
At least you answered that, the vast majority, more than 90%.
This pointless fear mongering really needs to stop, enough damage has been done already.
Christopher, Some days past you compared how Sweden was doing so much worse than Finland and Norway. I know they adjoin but why didn’t you compare with two other nearby countries such as the Netherlands and Belgium with >6,000 and >4,000 deaths respectively? I don’t think it is fair to be so selective with data that they might not get a mention even if you can come up with reasons why they are so different. Similarly, why Portugal and Spain have such differing death rates is an intriguing question.
You also stated that Ireland was ‘going the wrong way’. Of course it was, on your graph! But being here, I knew that the numbers were set to rise before they did, because the effect of batches of samples sent to Germany for testing, and the purchase of testing serum for use at home, was about to kick in. So there is much more behind the graphs than the incidence of Covid-19. As for the comment today that most testing cases displayed symptoms which were severe enough to warrant investigation, I wonder how would you explain that in Ireland 111,500 tests only produced 17,000 (approx.) cases. What severe symptoms had the rest of the people tested? In Ireland we seem to have gone from predicting 60% of the population to be infected, to a prediction of 15,000 by the end of March to a reality of 15,000 on the 19th April. Our politicians will attribute the major shortfall to be a consequence of their ‘prompt and decisive action’ in locking up the country! Others wouldn’t.
“The ONS system is predicated on the registration of deaths. Meaning they count, not the number of people who die every week, but the number of deaths registered per week. This, naturally, leads to slight delays in the recording of numbers as the registration process can take a few days.
However, with coronavirus deaths, since its a “national emergency”, they are now including “provisional figures” which will be “included in the dataset in subsequent weeks”. This leaves them wide open to – either accidentally or deliberately – reporting the same deaths twice. Once “provisionally”, and then once “officially” a week later’
The collection of numbers for how many died is a mess- not to be trusted.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/05/covid19-death-figures-a-substantial-over-estimate/
like the people who trusted flu numbers?
hey how about those holocaust numbers?
do you doubt those too?
or the numbers Neil Ferguson threw around that started lock down- 500,000 in the UK and a couple of million in the US.
His figures have always been way off for everything.
Disturbing to see you resort to a very emotive subject from the past to prove your point.
Alarmists have form in that are calling those skeptical of climate data, deniers. I can now see where this is leading!
The ONS cannot possibly decide who died ‘with’ or ‘of’ cv-19. Its a Stastical Unit just taking info from death certificates. Since the recent change in advise to doctors how cv-19 should be recorded on the certificates, no-one knows whether or not it had any influence on actual morbidity.
What we can easily see is the match between age profiles of overall morbidity and that with cv-19 recorded on certificates. Its an absolute match. Now either this virus is damned clever, mimicking every morbidity in the population or its actually causing few if any deaths. That is not excluding its role in enhancing the already ill state of many patients.
“How coronavirus attacks your veins, heart, brain and blood – as well as lungs.
We are seeing a range of illness; some people develop blood clots, others heart attacks or kidney failure,” said Prof Ajay Shah, BHF Professor and consultant cardiologist at King’s College Hospital, London.
There are still many unknowns, but the amount of research effort that is going on to try and understand exactly what is happening to patients with Covid is absolutely phenomenal.”
The article is behind pay-wall, but if interested you can find text here in the next day or two.
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““How coronavirus attacks your veins, heart, brain and blood – as well as lungs.
We are seeing a range of illness; some people develop blood clots, others heart attacks or kidney failure,” said Prof Ajay Shah, BHF Professor and consultant cardiologist at King’s College Hospital, London.”
Hydroxychloroquine in the French study cleared the body of the Wuhan virus in about five or six days. Remdesivir may be doing similar things.
It looks to me like we need to get this virus out of the body as soon as possible. The longer it stays, the more damage it does, and the damage may be longterm for the survivors. So it needs to be diagnosed as soon as possible. There are some reports that the Wuhan virus is doing damage to the other organs of the body, while at the same time not producing respiratory symptoms, so a person could be being damaged and not even realize they have the virus until some of their damaged organs start failing, or they get a stroke. The Wuhan virus is nothing like the flu when it comes to the detrimental effects it has on the whole body.
Let’s hope we have some medications that can clear this drug quickly. That would solve most of our shortterm problems.
The Director of the Department of Veterans Affairs addressed the study of hydroxychloroquine that was given to some 300+ veterans and he said the results looked very encouraging. That is in direct contrast to a report that came out claiming this group of veterans did not benefit from hydroxychloroquine therapy.
We ought to know a lot more about these medicines in a short time as there are numerous trials going on right this minute. Keep your fingers crossed!
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/24/vanquish-the-virus-australia-and-new-zealand-aim-to-show-the-way/
Show the way to how you can delay herd immunity? Sweden is doing the opposite. It will be interesting to see the dat two years from now.
How much is due to the population density of these countries?The mid west also has very low rates,unlike the UK or Large US cities.
While all the lock down folks are shouting “it worked”, there is 100% no proof that it was nothing more than the pagan priests shouting out the same thing regarding all their bonfires beating back the demons at the winter solstice. And there likely is no way other than crafting narratives with selected figures to overcome uncertainty of any of the numbers since no one really can provide supporting, confirmed and verified probability spaces.
Interesting thought experiment to project backwards in time to have an idea if lockdowns worked:
https://t.co/EgumDVdk5C?amp=1
Would be interesting to combine with growth rates and smartphone tracking data to see which effect was already on because people changed behavior.
Let’s say someone is in a sled at the top of a snow covered hill. At the bottom of the hill is a 50 foot cliff and at the bottom of the cliff are rocks, spikes, and rabid lions. Now somebody gives the sled a push. What kills the guy in the sled? Is it the push, the hill, the snow, or the certain death at the bottom? The thing about this virus is that it seems to be the push.
I don’t think these sorts of confounding effects can ever be sorted out. The best we will be able to do is look at the number of people who die from respritory diseases this year compared to the last 10 years, and everything outside of 2 standard deviations is likely excess deaths due to COVID. I suspect that to the nearest whole percentage that will be 0. That is, the excess deaths will not be outside the uncertainty bounds of normal respiratory deaths.
This might be of interest to Monckton of Brenchley:
https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_720672_en.html
“This new analysis found that death from COVID-19 results in over 10 years of life lost per person, even after taking account of the typical number and type of chronic conditions found in people dying of COVID-19.”
Study:
https://wellcomeopenresearch.org/articles/5-75
.
For myself, I regard the of/with issue to be academic. People are dying because of COVID-19. Include them all. It doesn’t change the lockdown / no-lockdown argument.
Question for Christopher Monckton.
Not meaning to be combative, just curious.
Today (2020-04-24), doctors from a prominent California hospital released an interview wherein they describe and discuss the statistics based on data that they have accumulated and analyzed.
Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfLVxx_lBLU
The question is: does what these doctors are reporting tally with the statistics that you have been accumulating, and are their conclusions warranted?
“millions of cases , small amount of deaths”
k. montgomery for Leader!
This is magnificent. These guys are in contact with the Director of the California Dept. of Public Health, and he agrees with them. Watch the whole thing. Wow, the world has shot itself in the foot, let’s not shoot the other one too.
Get Birx and Fauci on the phone, yesterday!
Thank you very very much for posting this.
“The question is: does what these doctors are reporting tally with the statistics that you have been accumulating, and are their conclusions warranted?”
They said it’s “like the flu” and it’s more viral than the flu.
I would say a something like the flu, but more viral, required the measures to be taken.
But would say the measure have already been taken, and now, let’s get out of lockdown.
Which roughly agrees with what they said.
The interesting thing {or factor I was unaware of], is we should expect people’s immune systems to be be lowered from lockdown. I would say that if that is the case, it’s another argument for gradual process of “exiting lockdown”. And if politicans delay starting to slowly get out of lockdown {especially more “severe lockdowns”] they lose the ability to gradually get out of lockdown. And their delay to start gradual steps, will be murdering people. Or they may only think, getting out lockdown too soon, could murder people, but delay in starting gradual release of lockdown could murder more people.
What he said
I sent this on to both Fox News, who has responded, and Rush Limbaugh, who has not, yet. I hope they both use it. This video could very well change world history for the better.
I also sent it to my sister who is a big deal at the Johns Hopkins medical school, Chief Pediatric Officer. Of course this is not pediatrics, which she will tell me in the morning, but she knows the right people there.
Fox ran it! I do not know how many people sent it in. Apparently the video has had 5 million views. Well done k. montgomerie
Except for the murdering part, Excuse Me???????
Well, perhaps Manslaughter, rather than “murdering” would a better term, but Manslaughtering a lot people is arguably worst than a murdering a few people.
And politicians tend to use a excess amount hyperbolic language, and as non politician, I think I can be excused for using hyperbolic language in regards to the people who are very accustomed to the use of it.
–Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of one human being by another without malice aforethought.
There are several types of manslaughter, including:
Involuntary manslaughter. This often refers to unintentional homicide from criminally negligent or reckless conduct. It can also refer to an unintentional killing through commission of a crime other than a felony. In November 2012, a Las Vegas jury found a man guilty of involuntary manslaughter for a single punch to a fellow casino patron who died when he hit his head as he fell.
Voluntary manslaughter. When a murder charge is reduced to manslaughter due to mitigating circumstances, such as heat of passion or diminished capacity, the reduced charge is sometimes voluntary manslaughter.–
https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/murder-and-homicide.htm
But there seems there is some malice involved, and so generally it might be manslaughter, but is also seem there an appearance of hate/malice involved. Why would one stop people from fishing or from visiting a park, as examples?