The spy’s dilemma and the lockdown dichotomy

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley

[Update: Good news: Boris Johnson is now out of intensive care. His prospects for recovery are, therefore, very greatly improved.]

Consider how fair-minded is our kind host. There are two very different policy positions on the handling of the Chinese-virus question: the passivist (let the population acquire “herd immunity” and hope that the virus is not much worse than the annual flu) and the activist (salus populi suprema lex: take whatever steps are needed, even if the economic cost is heavy, to ensure that healthcare systems are not overrun).

My good friend Willis Eschenbach is a protagonist of the passivist position, on the ground that the virus is not much more infectious and not much more fatal than the flu. I am a protagonist of the activist position whenever a new and fatal pathogen emerges, on the ground that until one knows more about the true case rate one must be guided by the growth rate in new cases, which, in the early stages of any uncontrolled pandemic with a population that has no immunity, is necessarily exponential.

It stands greatly to the credit of our kind host that both of these points of view are fairly reflected here, and the quality of the data and arguments being offered on both sides, not only in head postings (for instance Rud Istvan’s excellent medical postings) but also in the discussion between commenters is high. It is not unjustifiable to say that more, and more profound, information about the Chinese virus is being posted here, in a more fair-minded way, than anywhere else. This is how free speech ought to work.

Today’s post will be about how to resolve the dichotomy between the activist and passivist positions. First, the data. Precisely because the early stages of a pandemic necessarily show exponential growth, policymakers in responsible governments are guided, first and foremost, by the mean daily rate of growth in confirmed cases – i.e., cases the great majority of which are identified and reported because they are serious.

During the three weeks up to March 14, the date on which Mr Trump declared a national emergency, the global daily compound growth rate in total confirmed cases was almost 20%. Exponential growth that high, if it had been allowed to continue, could potentially have killed millions to hundreds of millions worldwide. That, above all, was the reason why governments decided, albeit with extreme reluctance and (in the UK and the US for instance, much later than they should have done) to interfere with transmission.

The problem with being late is that the lockdowns had to be much more severe than they would have been if the interventions had been more timely.

However, as our daily graphs here are demonstrating, the lockdowns are working. Of course, some countries – notably Sweden – have not introduced strict lockdowns, and yet the daily case growth rate is falling there too. That is one of the chief reasons why the passivists argue that if we too had not introduced lockdowns the numbers would have fallen just as fast and just as far.

Another reason, well reflected in a recent posting by Willis Eschenbach, is that official sources originally predicted ten times the deaths they are now predicting and that, if they had gotten the predictions right in the first place, no lockdowns would have been needed.

The excellent Dr Fauci, for instance, had predicted 200,000 deaths in the U.S., but Mr Eschenbach, on the basis of a model, considers the number may prove to be only 20,000.

Naturally, any model worth its salt will necessary look at the case growth rate at the time when the run begins. The daily case growth rate of 20% that had obtained before March 24, applied also to deaths (a lagging indicator), would have turned the cumulative 20,000 deaths up until then into 310,000 deaths by April 8 and 17 million deaths by the end of April.

As it is, by 8 April worldwide deaths were less than 90,000. And why? Because the mean daily case growth rate has been falling. Over the 15 days from March 24 to April 8, the daily mean growth rate in deaths was just 10.5%. If this lower growth rate were to be continue till the end of April, there would be 800,000 deaths by then and not 17 million. So of course current runs will be showing far lower estimates of the eventual death toll than earlier runs.

It is elementary calculations like these, based not on predictive models (which are useless in the early stages of a new pandemic) but on the observed exponential growth rates, that led governments to decide that the passivists, for the time being, would not be heeded.

The case growth rate continues to fall. Because lockdowns work, some of that decline is attributable to them. Here is today’s updated graph, showing that, for the world excluding China, whose data are unreliable, the daily mean case growth rate has fallen to less than 8%:

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Fig. 1. Mean compound daily growth rates in confirmed cases of COVID-19 infection for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from March 14 to April 8, 2020.

But what about deaths? Taking the world as a whole, excluding China, the daily compound growth rate in deaths has fallen to about 10.5%, while in the U.S. and U.K. it is about 16-17%. Note that the graph begins on March 23, not on March 14, and that, as with the case graph, the rates shown are weekly-smoothed rates, to iron out the often large daily fluctuations in counts.

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Fig. 2. Mean compound daily growth rates in reported COVID-19 deaths for the world excluding China (red) and for several individual nations averaged over the successive seven-day periods ending on all dates from March 23 to April 8, 2020.

Now that we have the data before us, how can the spy’s dilemma assist us in resolving the conflict between the activists and the passivists? That is an important question at present, because the passivists are justifiably impatient to end the lockdowns, for the economic damage they cause is considerable, while the activists, with no less justification, would rather be sure the case growth rate will not return to 20% if the lockdowns are lifted.

This dichotomy between two legitimate and strongly-argued positions is the spy’s dilemma. Imagine an agent in the field. He will nearly always be investigating a subject in which he has no specialist knowledge, and he will also have incomplete and potentially inadequate or even inaccurate data. How, then, can he advise his superiors sensibly?

I once gave a lecture on the spy’s dilemma to 200 trainee James Bonds at the Intelligence School of the Army of Colombia in Bogota. Using global warming as an example, I said that, as a non-specialist in climatology I had had to try to decide between two competing scientific points of view: the passivists, who thought there was nothing much to worry about, and the activists, who thought the planet itself might be at risk of destruction unless capitalism were closed down.

How was I, as a layman, to decide between the graph of the past 1000 years’ temperatures produced by the formidable atmospheric physicist Hubert Lamb, and reproduced in IPCC’s First Assessment Report, and the hokey-stick graph produced in the frankly Communist academic environment of today by Mann, Bradley and Hughes?

I began by saying that data generated by totalitarian are generally more suspect than data produced by those with no Party Line to defend. Therefore, I said, one would instinctively prefer Hubert Lamb’s graph to the hokey-stick graph. However, though evaluation of the likely reliability of source data is always desirable, it is not on its own always definitive.

I explained how Socrates, Plato and Aristotle would have resolved the two competing positions by the use of elenchus, still the most powerful technique for reaching the objective truth ever devised.

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Fig. 3. Hokey-cokey: Hubert Lamb’s reconstruction of the past 1000 years’ temperature (top panel, from IPCC, 1990), which shows the medieval warm period as warmer than the present and the little ice age as colder, was replaced in IPCC (2001) by Michael Mann’s infamous hokey-stick graph (bottom panel), followed by many me-too graphs that purport to abolish the medieval warm period and the little ice age.

The climate activists say that global warming goes chiefly into the oceans, causing sea level to rise. Therefore, alongside their statement that the hokey-stick graph is true we can place the new statement, with which we expect them to agree, that sea-level rise or fall is an indication of temperature rise or fall. We can then draw conclusions from that additional statement.

The simplest way to decide which of the two competing 1000-year temperature graphs is correct is to compare them both with an independent graph of the past 1000 years’ sea-level change. Only one of the two competing temperature graphs closely follows the sea-level graph. The other, very conspicuously, does not. Therefore, I said, even a non-specialist with an open and enquiring mind could reach a rational – and correct – discernment of the objective even when faced with two directly-competing expert positions, and even in a field in which he holds no qualifications: for that is what an intelligence agent in the field must do every day. For that lecture, I was awarded the Intelligence Medal of the Army of Colombia:

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How, then, should be apply the Spy’s Dilemma to the lockdown question? See how similar it is to the climate question. There are two competing scientific positions, both of them having some sound arguments in their favor. The data are manifestly incomplete, inadequate and often downright inaccurate.

For instance, the British government, comprising an unduly high fraction of innumerates, has not yet understood the importance of keeping a very careful track of how many of its confirmed cases have recovered. The reason why this matters is that, during the early stages of a pandemic, the least inaccurate way of deriving the true case fatality rate is to study the closed cases – those who have had the infection and have either recovered or died. Globally outside China, the confirmed-case fatality rate thus derived is currently about 25%. That seems very much too high, leading to the suspicion that Britain is by no means the only country whose experts have not understood the importance of keeping an accurate count of those who have recovered.

The official figures have stated for several days that only 135 of the 60,000 confirmed cases have recovered. If that were truly the case, it would be an indictment of the National Health Service. So you can expect the head of the Joint Intelligence Committee, who attends all Cabinet Office Briefings on emergencies such as this, to demand that ministers get their act together and require the health service to provide a proper daily count of those who have recovered. It is known, for instance, that of the first 2249 intensive-care cases almost 400 have recovered. Inferentially, a far larger faction of the less serious confirmed cases will have recovered by now.

In tomorrow’s daily update, I shall describe some further methods of intelligence analysis that would assist governments in deciding when and how and to what extent to bring lockdowns to an end. For now, I shall point out that the pandemic will not have reached its peak until the daily compound confirmed-case growth rate becomes negative. At present, it remains strongly positive, though trending in the right direction.

Therefore, it would not be appropriate to assume that half of all cases – let alone half of all deaths – have yet occurred. We all want the lockdowns to end, but at present it is better to wait a little longer. So keep safe.

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April 10, 2020 8:29 am

Attached are my latest ECDC graphics for 4/10/20.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nicholas-schroeder-55934820_covid19-pandemicresponse-climatechange-activity-6654385501195259904-JRFz

I thought this week was CoVid-19’s Pearl Harbor.
Looks more like CoVid-19’s Bay of Pigs.
The daily deaths have held fairly flat and steady for several days now, not exponential at all.
And don’t suggest that our economic self-abuse and social distancing clown show are responsible.

It’s easy to flatten a curve – THAT’S ALREADY FLAT!!!

For the greenhouse effect to perform as advertised the surface of the earth must radiate as an ideal black body.
For the CoVid pandemic to perform as advertised it must spread in an exponential manner.
What do these two assumptions have in common?
They are both WRONG^3, not so, incorrect-o-mundo, booguuusss!

But that’s what one gets from amateurs and bureaucrats doing science and math.

Joey
April 10, 2020 8:29 am

Iceland never locked down….it has placed bans on gatherings of more than 100 people, contact tracing, and quarantines of infected people. Iceland has the highest testing rate in the world (10% of its population), one of the highest infection rates in the world (twice that of Italy and 3 1/2 times that of the U.S.) and one of the LOWEST death rates in the world 1/17 that of Italy. The lockdowns are an overreaction of biblical proportions.

Reply to  Joey
April 10, 2020 9:06 am

Joey has made no allowance for the fact that if one does the testing and tracing that Stephen Mosher’s excellent contribution headlined here a few days ago and linked below demonstrates to be effective, one does not need lockdowns.

That point has been made repeatedly in this series.

It is because we failed to do what South Korea and Iceland did that we were compelled to introduce lockdowns.

Steven Mosher
April 10, 2020 8:35 am

April 10, 2020 8:47 am

Stay safe ….

sage advice,

stay safe, stay off that motor bike of yours.

Or maybe we could just implement social driving rules … say less than 25 km/hr at all times … so that the likelihood of dying in motorbike accident drops from 60 times that of a auto to something less (mebbe we could get it down to 6x).

Reply to  DonM
April 10, 2020 9:09 am

Don M has not perhaps studied his statistics carefully enough. Some years ago, when I studied the motorcycle mortality statistics, I discovered that if one allowed for the age of the driver one was three times more likely to die on a motorcycle than a car-driver, but three times less likely to kill anyone not on or in the vehicle. The net effect of motorcycling is to save lives.

So don’t be silly. The total deaths from road accidents in the UK are about 2000-3000 per year, compared with 10,000 deaths in the UK from the Chinese virus in a couple of months.

Reply to  Monckton of Brenchley
April 10, 2020 5:57 pm

“… if one allowed for the age of the driver one was three times more likely to die on a motorcycle than a car-driver.”

I have no idea what that means. What if one does not allow for the age of the driver?

And your past personal studies still do not change that it is 60x more likely to die … when in an accident, on a motorcycle, as compared to an auto, based solely on miles traveled. You and I are still going to ride. We will ride carefully and will not likely get into the accident.

I am still going to work every day. I am being careful. I am not likely to get the Chinese virus.

But thank you for making my point for me. Using an individual “six times more likely to die” argument for shutting down the world as you did in your original post, while leaving out other tangible information is pretty silly. I guess we are both silly

(here’s another silly … last year the seasonal flu killed 17,000 people (UK); in the end the Chinese virus will kill about the same in the U.K.. Therefore the overall damage will be the same. kinda silly logic, leaving out all the other stuff.)

nobodysknowledge
April 10, 2020 9:02 am

Steven Mosher giving ammunition for the “passivists” by fumento.
But very bad ammunition. When he compares Sweden, Denmark and Norway:
“So far there has been no peak in any of the three countries. But Swedish cases, according to Worldometer, are little more than half those of Norway: 714 per million versus 1062. Denmark has a rate of 808, better than Norway but still worse than “fiddling” Sweden. Indeed, Sweden has one of the lowest rates in Europe.”
What a strange way to put it. Counting cases without looking at testing. Sweden had few tests compared to their neighbors. So number of cases tells us very little about reality, and about real differences.
And: “Deaths per case are not relevant here, reflecting mostly the quality of health care systems, and on that metric Sweden is somewhat higher.” An even stranger way to put it. There is very little difference between the three countries when it comes to the health care systems.
I will say thanks to Lord Monckton for bringing in important pieces of reality into the discussion. We don`t need the mythbuilding about Sweden. They have admitted that they have lost control with the spreading of the illness, and the deathrate is now 86 pr million, against 20 in Norway, and it is incrasing fast.

ren
April 10, 2020 9:14 am

The virus will be dangerous until the medicine ahead. Tuberculosis was tamed only after mass vaccination.

icisil
Reply to  ren
April 10, 2020 11:02 am

Quit spreading foolishness. TB is the #1 infectious k!iller in the world.

Paul Penrose
April 10, 2020 9:28 am

Chris,
With all due respect, what you are presenting is the False Dilemma Fallacy. The two extremes you would have us choose from, do nothing or lock-down and cower at home, are not the only choices. There is a continuum of choices between these two from which to choose. This is the real discussion we need to have. For example, one option: isolation of those most at risk of death, testing for immunity (so people know when they are relatively safe), and caution by the rest of us (more rigorous hand washing, covering face when sneezing/coughing, masks for people that work with the public) to help limit the spread.

Reply to  Paul Penrose
April 10, 2020 1:23 pm

Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too rational, Paul P.

Eliza
April 10, 2020 9:46 am

This is the incidence of this flu to date remember its now nearing 5 months = 2.285714285714286e-4 calculated from 1,6 millions cases NOT DEATHS / 7billion worlds population. The number is so small I can’t see the decimal point behind the zeros!. Now 90000 deaths worlwide OVER 5 MONTHS??? lets divide 90000/7billion = 1.285714285714286e-5= mortality rate. So again 170000 mostly old people with diseases die worldwide EVERY DAY! Again as Einstein stated human stupidity is infinite. I’d bet that already the lockdowns per se se are causing more deaths from suicide and hunger in poor countries than the virus which is the cold flu because there are zillch nada cases in the Southern hemisphere or warm tropical subtropical countries. This will go down as the biggest con job by WHO ect in the history of the world fanned by the Internet

icisil
Reply to  Eliza
April 10, 2020 10:59 am

All of the virus-porn junkies are either going to suffer severe cognitive dissonance, or go into denial, when they confront the fact that many, if not most, deaths and nasty morbidities are being caused by iatrogenic (ACEi/ARB treatments and immediate cessation of those treatments upon hospitalization, ventilator intubation with ARDSnet protocol, experimental drug treatments, etc), lifestyle-choice (smoking, vaping, etc) and environmental factors (heavy chronic air pollution).

btw, a virus-porn junkie is someone who can only see pathogenesis as the root of all illness and, in this case, ascribes every symptom and death to corona-chan.

john
April 10, 2020 9:47 am

South Korea reports recovered coronavirus patients testing positive again

SEOUL (Reuters) – South Korean officials on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the new coronavirus had tested positive again.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

South Korean health officials said it remains unclear what is behind the trend, with epidemiological investigations still under way.

icisil
Reply to  john
April 10, 2020 10:40 am

That just tells me the test is dogsh!t.

JEHILL
Reply to  icisil
April 10, 2020 1:37 pm

I was just going to say that as well. Anti-body tests the other countries are doing are poor. They have a horrible confidence level.

Eliza
April 10, 2020 9:52 am

Also in addendum 90000 deaths to date over 5 months (~150 days) = ~600 worlwide deaths per day OLD persons mainly WAKE UP WORLD!!! RELAX… Were supposed to die eventually it seems no one wants too!! LOL

ren
Reply to  Eliza
April 10, 2020 11:03 am

I am sorry but it is already over 100,000 deaths.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
We must understand that this virus is as contagious as tuberculosis.

Roger welsh
April 10, 2020 10:02 am

There seems to be an spectating, as there is no,natural,immunity because of the “no natural immunity”
How come multiple cases are mild or almost none existant?

I am not a scientist, just a lover of facts,

Yes, the spread is fast. So what? The only defence is natural immunity which can only happen through challenge by the virus, just like every other.

As was put,by others, ” the cure is more destructive than the disease”

I think thisU will happen unless politicians are advised otherwise!!

Roger welsh
April 10, 2020 10:05 am

English/ grammar bad. Sorry. No edit possible

nobodysknowledge
April 10, 2020 10:08 am

From Richard:
“In a world first, the Swedish government has announced that it is going to officially distinguish between deaths „by“ and deaths „with“ the coronavirus, which should lead to a reduction in reported deaths. Meanwhile, for some reason, international pressure on Sweden to abandon its liberal strategy is steadily increasing.
The Hamburg health authority now has test-positive deaths examined by forensic medicine in order to count only „real“ corona deaths. As a result, the number of deaths has already been reduced by up to 50% compared to the official figures of the Robert Koch Institute”
There is one way to find the real number of corona deaths, and that is to look into death statistics.
When this was done in Italy, they found that excess deaths in some places were over ten times of the usual death rate. “The Italian Institute of Statistics (ISTAT) has published mortality data sent by a selection of towns across Italy based on the latest census, in particular, the total deaths between 2020–03–01 and 2020–03–21 [4]. This data contains a subset of all towns, i.e. 1084 towns/cities where it is possible to compare an increase or a decrease in deaths in the first three weeks of March 2020 with respect to the same period in 2019.”
Corona deaths were largely underreported. “This means that with a subset of 56.48% of the population, the figures show 5067 excess deaths (i.e. 891.8 deaths per 1M pop) which are greater than 3072 (305.4 deaths per 1M pop), the official COVID-19 deaths toll across the whole of Lombardy.” https://towardsdatascience.com/covid-19-excess-mortality-figures-in-italy-d9640f411691
And then they haven`t counted all the premature deaths that will come from bodily damge.
To all myth-builders. Wake up and take reality in.

Steve Oregon
April 10, 2020 10:24 am

Sorry to all who may be offended, but there is no honest justification or defense for the lockdowns.
At least from my perspective of the US shutdowns.
The Washington State shut down may be the most insane. No surprise as Governor Inslee is likely the dumbest governor in the history of US governors. E.g. Inslee’s climate lunacy.
We have 3 epic blunders now:
1. The model based exaggeration of the COVID-19 virus has been absolute. Reckless presumptions that claim infection and mortality rates without knowing how may have truly been infected and recovered drove the push for extreme measures.
2. The scale of the shutdowns are economic suicide destroying businesses and people lives.
3. The multi TRILLION big government rescue will turn into big government chaos.

The 4th will be the attempt to rescue state and local governments.

The catastrophic, snowballing effects of closing countless businesses and sending million of people home is producing an immeasurable collapse on a scale far beyond any depression.
At the same time government coffers at every level are being decimated.
Many businesses are quickly expiring every means and motivation to ever reopen.
Consumption is in the tank.
Millions of people are being forced to, or choose to, stop paying their rent, mortgage, energy bill and taxes because they are already short or fear running out of money to basic needs.
This worst crisis worsens every day.
Politicians and governments are blowing up every means to maintain any stability.
While leaving many measures still in place, the bulk of society must return to work immediately.
Not later.
Collapse can’t wait.

Stevek
April 10, 2020 10:32 am

We are infringing on the liberty of millions of people in order to save the lives of people that have diseases such as hypertension, diabetes etc. These risk factors for the most part are caused by individuals that through their OWN choices have poor diet, don’t exercise or smoke. So what we have here is the bad choices of individuals are causing an infringement on the liberty of others.

April 10, 2020 10:39 am

resolved the two competing positions by the use of elenchus, still the most powerful technique for reaching the objective truth ever devised.

And that’s exactly what the neo-marxists don’t want — note the aversion to and complete lack of debate about the climate-change “theory” and other important modern issues.

April 10, 2020 10:43 am

That medal looks a lot like a “Challenge Coin”. Does it have a reverse side?

SAMURAI
April 10, 2020 10:47 am

As I’ve been saying from the start, Germany FINALLY ran a COVID19 antibody test on 1,000 randomly selected people and found 15% had already been infected with COVID19 and ALMOST ALL were asymptomatic….

If those test results hold true for the US, 50,000,000 Americans could have already been infected with COVID19, so with just 15,000 deaths to date, the REAL COVID19 death rate could be as low as 0.03%, which is 3.3 times LESS deadly than the regular flu….

If you recall, the idiots at WHO and CDC predicted the COVID19 death rate could be as as high as 3%, which is 100 TIMES more lethal than what this Germany study shows is likely…

We very likely utterly destroyed our economy for absolutely no reason whatsoever…

https://spectator.us/covid-antibody-test-german-town-shows-15-percent-infection-rate/

Ron
Reply to  SAMURAI
April 10, 2020 11:27 am

“German study: 14%”

Probably falsely generated. Not specific enough antibody test detecting other corona viruses as well and no accounting for household transmissions. Therefore too high estimate of herd immunity and too low lethality.

CFR best estimate is around 2% for both South Korea and Germany right now. Could be a coincidence or going to be the real number. The death rate for Germany (not available for South Korea) is quite steadily fluctuating around 5% though.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/

Hopefully the 5% are not true but a statistical artifact of not reported recovered cases.

Reply to  Ron
April 11, 2020 9:48 pm

SAMURAI wrote, ” Germany FINALLY ran a COVID19 antibody test on 1,000 randomly selected people and…”

The German study was not of randomly selected Germans. It was of Germans from the town of Gange. That is the town which was the epicenter of Germany’s first major CV-19 outbreak. As such, it is probable that the number of infected and recovered people there is higher than anywhere else in Germany, and much higher than the average infection rate in Germany.

It is also likely that some (perhaps most) of the early CV-19 deaths there were not recognized as having been caused by CV-19. The failure to correctly diagnose those deaths would result in an understatement of the fatality rate, and it would be consistent with an unusually high percentage of the population who had the disease undetected.

Most countries are still seeing increasing daily case and death numbers, which makes the true fatality rate hard to estimate, because the the deaths are coming from a smaller population than the number of cases, and most of the cases are unresolved, causing an underestimate of the fatality rate; and because they don’t know how many undiagnosed cases they have, causing an overestimate of the fatality rate. (For instance, in Italy, the naively calculated case fatality rate is 19,468 deaths / 152,271 cases = 12.785%, but the true fatality rate might be substantially different. They are still getting about 4,000 new cases per day, and nearly 600 deaths per day, in Italy. If two thirds of their cases are undiagnosed, their true fatality rate might be as low as 1/3 of the apparent 12-14% rate.)

An exception is South Korea, where they’ve identified nearly all the CV-19 cases, and 71% of their cases are resolved. They’ve reported:

● 10,480 confirmed cases
● 7,243 recoveries
● 3,026 active, unresolved cases
● 211 deaths

They also have:
● About 20,000 people in isolation, with no symptoms, but who are suspected of having been exposed, and are awaiting test results. (The vast majority of them will test negative.)
● They have at most a few dozen undetected cases, in the entire country, who are not among those 20,000.

From those statistics we can calculate:

211 deaths / 10,480 confirmed cases = 2.01% fatality rate. That’s the lower bound on the true fatality rate.

211 deaths / (7,243 recoveries + 211 deaths) = 2.83% fatality rate. That’s the upper bound for the true fatality rate.

That’s in a first world country, with excellent healthcare, and a healthcare system that is not overloaded, and where they identify CV-19 patients very early, enabling early treatment, and where they have plenty of experience treating them. In other words, for a patient, it’s one of the best places in the world to get CV-19. But even there, with all those advantages, we know that the CV-19 fatality rate in South Korea is between 2.01% and 2.83%.

In most other places, including the United States, it is almost certainly worse.

That compares to a U.S. typical seasonal flu fatality rate of 0.13%. So, even with the very best of care, CV-19 is about twenty times as deadly as a typical seasonal flu. In most places it’s even worse than that.

Reply to  SAMURAI
April 10, 2020 11:58 am

Gangelt (Heinsberg) is the living laboratory test city, not sure, if the data will be representative

Reply to  Krishna Gans
April 11, 2020 9:56 pm

I agree, Krishna Gans. (In my comment [currently in moderation] I mis-copy-pasted the name as “Gange” instead of “Gangelt”.)

Gangelt definitely is not representative. It’s the town which was the epicenter of Germany’s first major CV-19 outbreak.

As such, it is probable that the number of infected and recovered people there is higher than anywhere else in Germany, and much higher than the average infection rate in Germany.

It is also likely that some (perhaps most) of the early CV-19 deaths there were not recognized as having been caused by CV-19. The failure to correctly diagnose those deaths would result in an understatement of the fatality rate, and it would be consistent with an unusually high percentage of the population who had the disease undetected.

ren
April 10, 2020 11:26 am

BCG vaccine is also in Phase 3 trials (as of March 2020) of being studied to prevent COVID-19 in health care workers in Australia and Netherlands.[90] Neither country practices routine BCG vaccination.

An Irish study found that the BCG may contribute to lower infection rates and overall deaths. Countries with a BCG vaccine could have a death toll 20 times less.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine

Terence Gore
April 10, 2020 11:33 am

Is the current data off because it was much more widespread in the community than previously believed and now we are finding more because we are looking for more cases.

https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-covid-19-herd-immunity-california/6091220/

https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/530092711-roseland-hospital-phlebotomist-30-of-those-tested-have-coronavirus-antibody

https://nypost.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-traces-found-in-massachusetts-wastewater/

Seek and thy shall find

Steve Oregon
April 10, 2020 11:46 am

The US surgeon general just stated, in today’s briefing, that “no one is immune and everyone is at risk of contracting and dying from the virus.
That alarmism is simply not true.
“Science” has already shown us that a large portion of the populous is effectively immune and at zero risk.
“Science” indicates millions have contracted the virus and it had zero effect.
Millions more very little effect.
Millions more effect no worse than a cold.
Millions more flu like.
So yes the COVID-19 is far worse than common influenza. For SOME. Too many of course. It’s tragic.
But the reaction has not been aimed at some.
It’s been one size fits all that recklessly treats everyone at the same risk level.
It’s madness and must me stopped immediately and replaced with targeted isolation, quarantine and other measures proportionate with the problem.

damp
April 10, 2020 12:50 pm

“It is elementary calculations like these…that led governments to decide that the passivists, for the time being, would not be heeded.”

With all due respect, we need to remember that government is not a disinterested party. The primary goal of any government is to maintain and increase its own power. Government is not unlike a virus in that regard; unchecked, it will expand and grow until it kills the host organism. What led any government to decide “x” is probably what seemed best for that government at the time.

April 10, 2020 1:25 pm

During the three weeks up to March 14, the date on which Mr Trump declared a national emergency, the global daily compound growth rate in total confirmed cases was almost 20%.

From March 18 through April 9, in my home state of North Carolina, USA, if I did my math correctly, the daily compounded growth rate of confirmed cases is 12%, while the daily compounded growth rate of tests completed is 16%. The rate of testing growth, then, exceeds the rate of confirmed-cases growth, which indicates to me that the growth rate of tests is what has caused the growth rate in confirmed cases.

It seems to me, then, that what is being measured is as much the growth rate of testing as it is the growth rate of confirmed cases. Cases are tracking testing, not necessarily indicating any actual growth rate of the virus.
The virus is already widespread in the population — the tests are just now finding individuals with the virus and, therefore, say nothing of the true growth rate of the actual virus existent in the whole population.

Exponential growth that high, if it had been allowed to continue, could potentially have killed millions to hundreds of millions worldwide.

With respect, Chris M, I contend that the growth rate being calculated here is NOT the growth rate of the actual virus, but rather the growth rate of the DETECTION-test for the virus. The virus was already widespread, and the growth rate of the TESTING is what revealed where the virus was.

The TESTING was started “late”, maybe, which really has little meaning, because the number of people located with the virus (using the current test de jure) does not tell us anything about the actual evolution of the virus extent in people throughout the population who have never been tested or will never submit to a test.

If you do more and more tests to find what already exists, then, of course, you are going to find more and more cases. What you are not going to find is the growth rate of people who have had the virus, have recovered from it or never had symptoms, and have antibodies.

The reason for observing any slowing is because, the ALREADY EXISTENT widespread virus had already reached a peak, and the downturn just happens to correlate with the time severe measures started to be implemented, which gives the appearance that the measures had the effect, instead of the effect having already started on its own, which is what I am led to believe.

However, as our daily graphs here are demonstrating, the lockdowns are working.</blockquote.

I contend that the graphs show no such thing — they are artifacts of the exponential increase in testing. Testing is finding fewer cases, because the downturn had already started, before the lockdowns. The lockdowns now interfere with the natural resolution of the pandemic, perhaps even extending its duration and causing more deaths than if the natural course had been allowed to take effect, as has always been the habit, before instantaneous communication of hyper-awaress about fragmented facts enabled instantaneous knee-jerk reactions and policy decisions on a mass scale.

It is this latter information phenomenon that is the real virus, destroying the world economy.

Of course, some countries – notably Sweden – have not introduced strict lockdowns, and yet the daily case growth rate is falling there too.

I somewhat rest my case. (^_^)

I believe that Japan is another example where no strict lockdowns have happened. Comparing countries and their populations, as though we are comparing the same things, however, might be like comparing (to use an overused phrase) “apples to oranges”. I am not convinced that the proper outlook is to consider this virus as one and the same thing for every population. Is it the same thing for a population with heavy smokers, compared to one that is not such heavy smokers?. … same for a population with horrible pollution, compared to one that is not so much?, … same for population that is at an advanced age, compared to one that is younger overall?

There seem to be so many variables that we might be conflating into a gross oversimplification.

Reply to  Robert Kernodle
April 10, 2020 1:29 pm

… flubbed my HTML tags, but it’s probably still clear.

nobodysknowledge
April 10, 2020 1:34 pm

Myth-builders have another project.
It is about the catastrophe of lockdown. The economy will go to hell.
Is this really true?
I think it will take about a couple of months, to get some control.
Then to open up, and make the wheels turning again.
There will be plenty of things to organize, to secure against great outbreaks again
We would have to organize such that random contacts are minimized.
People working together can drive to jobs together, so tracing becomes easier.
People working together can use the same shops, so tracing can become easier.
Families and friends reduce contacts to few people, so tracing can become easier.
It is all about testing and tracing.

damp
Reply to  nobodysknowledge
April 10, 2020 5:32 pm

I wonder where people think food comes from.

Doesn’t it come from work? And doesn’t medicine and education and every other good on the physical plane come from work? And if we forbid people to work, will those things magically keep appearing?

We are proving ourselves too stupid to survive, and we can’t blame “the virus” for that.

jorgekafkazar
April 10, 2020 4:02 pm

Do the models take into account the fact that R₀ in the real world is not constant, but stochastic within the population and within regions? The course of an epidemic is not really homogeneous, is it? That must be one hell of a model. Or maybe it’s crap.