Did the Pope say Covid-19 is Nature’s Response to Ignoring Climate Change?

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The answer is sort of.

I was curious to know if the Pope saw the crisis and the economic devastation it is wreaking as a chance for an ecological conversion, for reassessing priorities and lifestyles. I asked him concretely whether it was possible that we might see in the future an economy that – to use his words – was more “human” and less “liquid”.

Pope Francis: There is an expression in Spanish: “God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives.” We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods? I don’t know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature’s response.

We have a selective memory. I want to dwell on this point. I was amazed at the seventieth anniversary commemoration of the Normandy landings, which was attended by people at the highest levels of culture and politics. It was one big celebration. It’s true that it marked the beginning of the end of dictatorship, but no one seemed to recall the 10,000 boys who remained on that beach.

When I went to Redipuglia for the centenary of the First World War I saw a lovely monument and names on a stone, but that was it. I cried, thinking of Benedict XV’s phrase inutile strage (“senseless massacre”), and the same happened to me at Anzio on All Souls’ Day, thinking of all the North American soldiers buried there, each of whom had a family, and how any of them might have been me. 

At this time in Europe when we are beginning to hear populist speeches and witness political decisions of this selective kind it’s all too easy to remember Hitler’s speeches in 1933, which were not so different from some of the speeches of a few European politicians now.

What comes to mind is another verse of Virgil’s: [forsan et haec olim] meminisse iubavit[“perhaps one day it will be good to remember these things too”]. We need to recover our memory because memory will come to our aid. This is not humanity’s first plague; the others have become mere anecdotes. We need to remember our roots, our tradition which is packed full of memories. In the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius, the First Week, as well as the “Contemplation to Attain Love” in the Fourth Week, are completely taken up with remembering. It’s a conversion through remembrance. 

This crisis is affecting us all, rich and poor alike, and putting a spotlight on hypocrisy. I am worried by the hypocrisy of certain political personalities who speak of facing up to the crisis, of the problem of hunger in the world, but who in the meantime manufacture weapons. This is a time to be converted from this kind of functional hypocrisy. It’s a time for integrity. Either we are coherent with our beliefs or we lose everything.

You ask me about conversion. Every crisis contains both danger and opportunity: the opportunity to move out from the danger. Today I believe we have to slow down our rate of production and consumption (Laudato Si’, 191) and to learn to understand and contemplate the natural world. We need to reconnect with our real surroundings. This is the opportunity for conversion. 

Yes, I see early signs of an economy that is less liquid, more human. But let us not lose our memory once all this is past, let us not file it away and go back to where we were. This is the time to take the decisive step, to move from using and misusing nature to contemplating it. We have lost the contemplative dimension; we have to get it back at this time.

And speaking of contemplation, I’d like to dwell on one point. This is the moment to see the poor. Jesus says we will have the poor with us always, and it’s true. They are a reality we cannot deny. But the poor are hidden, because poverty is bashful. In Rome recently, in the midst of the quarantine, a policeman said to a man: “You can’t be on the street, go home.” The response was: “I have no home. I live in the street.” To discover such a large number of people who are on the margins … And we don’t see them, because poverty is bashful. They are there but we don’t see them: they have become part of the landscape; they are things.

 St Teresa of Calcutta saw them, and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity. They are not things, not garbage; they are people. We can’t settle for a welfare policy such as we have for rescued animals. We often treat the poor like rescued animals. We can’t settle for a partial welfare policy.

 I’m going to dare to offer some advice. This is the time to go to the underground. I’m thinking of Dostoyevsky’s short novel, Notes from the Underground. The employees of that prison hospital had become so inured they treated their poor prisoners like things. And seeing the way they treated one who had just died, the one on the bed alongside tells them: “Enough! He too had a mother!” We need to tell ourselves this often: that poor person had a mother who raised him lovingly. Later in life we don’t know what happened. But it helps to think of that love he once received through his mother’s hope.

We disempower the poor. We don’t give them the right to dream of their mothers. They don’t know what affection is; many live on drugs. And to see them can help us to discover the piety, the pietas, which points towards God and towards our neighbour.

Go down into the underground, and pass from the hyper-virtual, fleshless world to the suffering flesh of the poor. This is the conversion we have to undergo. And if we don’t start there, there will be no conversion. 

I’m thinking at this time of the saints who live next door. They are heroes: doctors, volunteers, religious sisters, priests, shop workers – all performing their duty so that society can continue functioning. How many doctors and nurses have died! How many religious sisters have died! All serving … What comes to my mind is something said by the tailor, in my view one of the characters with greatest integrity in The Betrothed. He says: “The Lord does not leave his miracles half-finished.” If we become aware of this miracle of the next-door saints, if we can follow their tracks, the miracle will end well, for the good of all. God doesn’t leave things halfway. We are the ones who do that.

What we are living now is a place of metanoia (conversion), and we have the chance to begin. So let’s not let it slip from us, and let’s move ahead.

Read more: https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/2/17845/pope-francis-says-pandemic-can-be-a-place-of-conversion-

.His holiness ideas for degrowth would devastate the poor. Modern prosperity gives us choices. Many of us might give to charities, because we can afford to give, but that generosity would dry up real quick if our own families didn’t have enough to eat.

Forced degrowth would remove those choices, we would all be limited to the choices poor people face. All except a very few.

The past has no answers for the poor. For most of human history the poor lived harsh lives and died young, their bodies broken by endless toil.

Today some poor people still slip through the net, but most, at least in wealthy countries, most poor people receive a level of care and help unimaginable even a hundred years ago.

It is in the future we will find a solution for poverty, by building on the successes of today.

Imagine a future of automation and unlimited consumption, where nobody goes hungry or is alone, unless they want some privacy. A future overflowing with enough wealth to satisfy the needs of everyone. A future of achievement and mastery over nature, of leisure and contemplation or excitement and joy, where disease and hunger and perhaps even old age are things of the past.

This is a future worth building.

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April 9, 2020 6:14 pm

Has there ever been a more dishonest pope in modern times? If so, who was he?

Charles Nelson
Reply to  Scissor
April 9, 2020 7:09 pm

I like to think of him as The Poop.

Reply to  Scissor
April 9, 2020 9:56 pm

Apparently this pope has never heard of physics, for that is the basis of “nature’s response”, nothing more and nothing less!

Reply to  RockyRoad
April 11, 2020 6:36 pm

This pope is a dope.

Reply to  Scissor
April 9, 2020 10:10 pm

Pardon me but WTF is an honest pope?
The real problem is he actually believes he is being honest, he is simply totally clueless.

Chris Wright
Reply to  Rocketscientist
April 10, 2020 3:34 am

“…Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? …”
Anyone who spouts this nonsense is way beyond clueless.

Reply to  Rocketscientist
April 10, 2020 10:48 am

That’s a stupid response and deserves to be mocked as stupid.

There have been plenty of great popes. Unfortunately, we don’t have one right now.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rocketscientist
April 10, 2020 11:56 am

“The real problem is he actually believes he is being honest, he is simply totally clueless.”

I agree. He really does believe what he is saying. And his thoughts really are clueless. He, like many socialists, is living in a dreamworld. He can emote, but he can’t think straight. Like most leftists.

The Expulsive
Reply to  Scissor
April 10, 2020 4:48 am

The man was supposedly a revolutionary Catholic, one of the types some of my Marxist (now Warmunist) associates praised for bringing an end to the capitalist beast. To have heard these avowed Marxists, trotskyites and Maoists praise this fellow for all of the good he is doing is quite a shock, given their avowed atheist positions and recitation that religion is the opiate. They don’t respect his religion but his power to persuade. Remember this is the fellow that handed the church to the CPC to manage. And these are the people who tell you that this time, this time, with socialism we will get it right.

Reply to  The Expulsive
April 10, 2020 6:36 pm

T E I agree with what you say. Like anyone well known, actors, actresses, ex princes and their wives, Greta, politicians in high places of power. I’d say the current pope fits in well with these sorts of people. The thing is, all of these people people have the power and the money to do real good in the world. Sadly it’s more about how they are perceived in what they do. They speak with great self importance but very little knowledge. They are the kings and queens of virtue signalling, yet have little understanding of the real situation.

Most of them are famous for being famous, in reality important only to themselves.

Reply to  Scissor
April 10, 2020 7:38 am

Man’s a frigging idiot….

Shoki Kaneda
Reply to  Scissor
April 10, 2020 10:05 am

Pope Pius XII

Reply to  Scissor
April 10, 2020 10:23 am

Hmmm, tricky, but I think most of the previous popes going back several centuries, just hard to pick a single individual really.

April 9, 2020 6:19 pm

“A future of achievement and mastery over nature,”

If you believe Man can master Nature, aren’t you guilty of the same hubris as the warmists believing that hurricanes, droughts, fires, heatwaves etc. etc. can be eliminated or reduced by lowering levels of C02?

Writing Observer
Reply to  alexei
April 10, 2020 11:38 am

Man does not control what Nature does – when we apply our minds correctly, we make her rampages ineffective.

Zig Zag Wanderer
April 9, 2020 6:19 pm

18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted?


At this point I could take nothing that the author wrote seriously any longer.

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 9, 2020 7:32 pm

I didn’t know there were glaciers at the North Pole. I suppose there weren’t any glaciers there 18 month ago. What about sea ice? What about 6 months ago?

Gordon Dressler
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 9, 2020 8:50 pm

” . . . because the glaciers had all melted.”

Well, Canada counts more than 150 glaciers, including those in vast Nunavut, but most of the easiest-to-visit are located in the well-touristed Canadian Rockies, like Jasper National Park‘s Athabasca Glacier. [The Athabasca Glacier’s] accessibility makes it the most-visited glacier in North America. There are walking tours, as well as snow coaches.

In the U.S. Lower 48, Glacier National Park in Montana has more than 700 miles of trails through valleys that were carved by its original 150 glaciers . . . two dozen remain today.

Alaska‘s ice is in better shape. There’s Portage Glacier in the mountains overlooking Anchorage’s bedroom community of Girdwood, and 27-mile-long Matanuska, just a two-hour drive from Alaska’s main city on the Glenn Highway . . . Down towards the capital, the 1,500-sq-mile Juneau Icefield is the parent field of Mendenhall Glacier, just to the north of the city on Glacier Highway.

And then there’s Greenland. It’s got its own ice sheet, but many of the glaciers flowing out of it are far from human settlement and prohibitively expensive to visit. The best option may be Narsarsuaq, just a few hours’ walk from the town of the same name in southern Greenland. Six-hour guided treks on the glacier itself can be arranged.

Glaciers are common in many countries in Europe, but most are found in these three:

Switzerland: The Great Aletsch Glacier is the largest in the Alps and part of the Jungfrau-Aletsch Protected Area, a UNESCO World Heritage Site.

Norway: Jostedal National Park surrounds the glacier of Jostedal, the largest in continental Europe. . . . Other popular glaciers include Vestre Svartisen in the country’s north, known for it’s dark blue hues and which ends just 20 feet above sea level, and Folgefonna, the third-largest glacier in Norway.

Iceland: Just two hours from Reykjavik, Sólheimajökull is a popular destination for tours. . . . A full 8% of Iceland is covered by the massive Vatnajökull, Europe’s largest glacier.

. . . the majority of glaciers in India, Pakistan, China, Tibet, Nepal, Tajikistan, Mongolia, Bhutan, and Indonesia require some determination to reach.

In the Indian state of Uttarakhand, there’s Gangotri Glacier, principal source of the Ganges River . . .

Neighboring Pakistan has . . . Batura Glacier, which at more than 35 miles in length is one of the longest glaciers outside of the Arctic and Antarctic . . . Baltoro Glacier is the one at the foot of K2.

Nepal has high-mountain glaciers . . . Thirty percent of visitors to Nepal come for the Annapurna Circuit, which brings you to within sight of several glaciers. . . . The Rongbuk Glacier in the Tibetan Himalayas is traversed by hikers and climbers to gain access to Everest’s Advanced Base Camp . . .

China makes things a bit easier. Hailuogou National Glacier Forest Park is located in Sichuan Province, less than 200 miles from Chengdu. It’s the largest such park in China, with trails to the Hailuogou Glacier, . . . and the Grand Glacier Cascade, where glacial ice drops towards the forest below.

Whew! All of the above info on glaciers extracted from https://matadornetwork.com/trips/where-to-find-glaciers-in-the-northern-hemisphere/

And all along I thought il Papa had some competent science advisors. Maybe not . . . or maybe he just chooses not to listen to them, or to do some Web searching on his own.

Anyway, facts still matter.

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 9, 2020 9:39 pm

yeah that got a WTF !? when I read it. I was convinced it was going to be Guardian article but I guess they are probably holding masterclasses in climate BS by now, in league with other publishers.

Why 18 mo ago? What about 6mo is “because all the glaciers had melted” what happened last summer, did all the “glaciers” grow back again last year?

“A boat ” OMG, it’s worse than I thought.

Nick Graves
Reply to  GReg
April 10, 2020 4:30 am

I only read it to laugh at the predictable stupidity.

Otters are fish, dontcha know..?

Some have clearly not come out of the Medieval Dim Period and probably never will.

Sören F
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 10, 2020 1:09 am

The blame in this case I’d guess lies in some relating of an interview where a romance-language glace-something, meant to mean ice (like e.g. sea ice) sadly was interpreted as “glaciers” in English :-]

Reply to  Sören F
April 10, 2020 2:04 am

Yes, I figured there must be something lost in translation with that one. No one could be that stupid …… or could they?

Reply to  philincalifornia
April 10, 2020 6:47 am

No translation, the interview was conducted in English so wrong use of words maybe.

OK I found it also in Spanish and he says “glaciers” “glaciares”… and that is Vatican news so it should close the debate…

Dizzy ringo
Reply to  philincalifornia
April 10, 2020 8:35 am

Oh yes they could! I work with some of them!

Tom Johnson
Reply to  Sören F
April 10, 2020 6:05 am

I considered that, too, until I looked up the translations. From English to Spanish: ship and boat both translate to Barco, so I’ll give him that one. However, glacier translates to glacier, and sea ice translates to be ice. He missed that one completely.

patrick healy
Reply to  Sören F
April 10, 2020 6:21 am

Yes my Pope is an embarrassment.
On this Good Friday I would love him to stick to the Christian religion instead of the pagan cult of global warming.
Of course the real tragedy is he takes advice from Marxists, Malthusians, and fake scientists like Schellenhuber, Sachs and an Ill school drop out from Scandinavia.
Mind you the leading question from that English interrogator above would be difficult with a yes or no.

Bob boder
Reply to  Sören F
April 10, 2020 6:37 am

Even so, the ice didn’t all melt.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Sören F
April 10, 2020 7:00 pm

I suspect what he MEANT to say was that a boat was able to traverse the NW Passage because the level of sea ICE was low. Or that an ice-boat was able to reach the North Pole (except it wasn’t).

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 10, 2020 4:27 am

Maybe the boat had skis on it?

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
April 10, 2020 5:18 am

I am curious what language the interview was conducted in. I did not see that info in the original article. I am hardly a supporter of Pope Francis, but this particular error could easily be poor translation.

April 9, 2020 6:24 pm

“Cross the North Pole because all the glaciers have melted.” ??
Would not the Pontiff be referring to pack ice?
Ignorance of the facts erodes one’s credibility faster than a melting berg.

April 9, 2020 6:25 pm

It’s Her Choice.

Reply to  n.n
April 10, 2020 10:50 am

Does he represent Catholics? I don’t think this is congruent with their beliefs. There are so-called “secular” sects who believe that humans are Gaia’s “burden”, and planned parenthood, planned parent, and planned population, that is excess deaths, are Her Choice.

Kim de Lacy
April 9, 2020 6:27 pm

The Pope appears to be woefully ill-informed. Make me wonder who’s in the drivers seat. And I must have missed the report about the boat sailing over the north pole. Damn!!

Flight Level
April 9, 2020 6:29 pm

“We disempower the poor. We don’t give them the right to dream of their mothers. They don’t know what affection is; many live on drugs.”

Ok, let’s rise taxes, rollback our prosperity and finally drive the “poor” to extinction. Make energy a luxury good and let winters do the rest. Sounds like a plan ?

Hey Santo Capitano, tell us, how can we afford to take care of the poor if we are all poor? Like flying on empty, enjoy the comfortable silence as long as there’s altitude to spare and then suddenly…

Reply to  Flight Level
April 9, 2020 7:42 pm

The poor aren’t on drugs because they are “disempowered” (whetever the hell that means).

It’s just the opposite. The druggie poor have the freedom and power to screw themselves, and they do.

Flight Level
Reply to  DonM
April 10, 2020 2:16 am

Junkies exist in all society altitudes. However for those already on the ground, there’s only one way. Seven feet under.

Thew went full bore hysteria on tobacco. Alternative smokes and pills products skyrocketed.

Result, enjoying a cappuccino with a cigarette is almost nowhere possible while the biggest income for restaurants is the always overpriced booze.

Makes me wonder…

Reply to  Flight Level
April 10, 2020 10:29 am

Social progress acts as a smoothing function that increases the spread, emphasizing the outliers and perturbations.

Reply to  Flight Level
April 9, 2020 8:20 pm

The only people who think the outcomes shown in these charts are ideal, are the 1%.
And a noisy indoctrinated minority who clamour first the system to screw them


Russ R.
Reply to  markx
April 10, 2020 8:31 am

I get it 😉
Markx = Marxist = Another useful Idiot.
Your income inequality meme is another attempt to sow social strife for income redistribution. It has never worked and it never will. It violates the incentives that people have to generate economic vitality and increase choice in a free market of suppliers and consumers. Without a free market the system stagnates, and eventually everyone is poor, except those that get to do the redistributing. They always manage to do well. While the working people of the country cower in fear of violent gangs, and scramble for basic necessities of life.
Hugo Chavez’s daughter is rumored to have a personal fortune of $4billion.
How did she earn it?
Buy providing goods and services to the public, that they chose in a free market of goods and services????

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Flight Level
April 10, 2020 5:12 am

Flight Level, not all will be poor. Not so long ago, all wealth went to the Catholic Church, the small people offered to the church to get salvation and protection. There is a lot of good in the catholic religion, but misuse for the sake of power and greed is often following suit.
This pope hate free trade and want’s a socialist world order in agreement with the UN and the the top ranking Climate Activists.

The pope should not take the name of St Teresa of Calcutta in vane. Teresa was a true and honest hero, who simply just wanted to help and not dictate any totalitarian policy.

April 9, 2020 6:32 pm

Unfortunately, the present Pope Francis is a Socialist idiot.

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 9, 2020 9:57 pm

“Socialist idiot”

isn’t it redundant ?

Kone Wone
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 10, 2020 1:34 am

He’s a socialist, he’s an idiot(but I repeat myself)

Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
April 10, 2020 5:05 am

The pope is a full blown marxist. He needs to be locked up in a rubber room.

April 9, 2020 6:37 pm

Hahaha the last paragraph sums up the progressive socialist liberal mindset..
That can never be achieved because we’re HUMANS.. And Man 🚹 wants to RULE over another man

April 9, 2020 6:38 pm

The Chinese government got to him…damn!

Reply to  Rick
April 9, 2020 7:36 pm

Yes, he’s batty.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Rick
April 10, 2020 1:30 am

Agreed, especially this which I see in various forms in China Daily or RT type media:
“…hypocrisy of certain political personalities who speak of facing up to the crisis, of the problem of hunger in the world, but who in the meantime manufacture weapons. ”

The West, especially the US, is always at fault for causing wars, poverty and manufacturing weapons and China and Russia are the ones bringing peace and equality to the world.

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Rick
April 10, 2020 1:33 am

And here is Mao says about how to bring peace to the world: “Every Communist must grasp the truth, “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.” Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party. Yet, having guns, we can create Party organizations, as witness the powerful Party organizations which the Eighth Route Army has created in northern China. We can also create cadres, create schools, create culture, create mass movements. Everything in Yenan has been created by having guns. All things grow out of the barrel of a gun. According to the Marxist theory of the state, the army is the chief component of state power. Whoever wants to seize and retain state power must have a strong army. Some people ridicule us as advocates of the “omnipotence of war”. Yes, we are advocates of the omnipotence of revolutionary war; that is good, not bad, it is Marxist. The guns of the Russian Communist Party created socialism. We shall create a democratic republic. Experience in the class struggle in the era of imperialism teaches us that it is only by the power of the gun that the working class and the labouring masses can defeat the armed bourgeoisie and landlords; in this sense we may say that only with guns can the whole world be transformed. We are advocates of the abolition of war, we do not want war; but war can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun.”

April 9, 2020 6:42 pm

We are about to see what reduced production and consumption means in horrific economic collapse with very heavy human toll besides the virus. Be careful making any teaching moments out of that, especially any outdated ones.

embutler butler
April 9, 2020 6:43 pm

hear the news about cats.. they get the virus too, with all the woes ,included..
they ignore climate change .. ditto ferrets .

Alan Chappell
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 10, 2020 1:21 am

As we (human) created God he must be somebody who ,????

April 9, 2020 6:44 pm

Damn, the Chinese government go to him…

April 9, 2020 6:53 pm

Hey, if the Pope wants to see the poor he can come to my town. The homeless are everywhere. Pooping here, peeing there.

No homeless in Vatican City?

I took one of them into my house last week … virus scare and all. He started smoking dope the first day (said he would stop, but when I came home from work the house stunk of it); he had to go to Fred Meyer specifically, rather than the cheaper store … I realized later that it was because there was a liquor store next door to Freddys, and he sneeked/brought back a half gallon of vodka; turned the heat up to 85 degrees and opened the window in his room (gotta have fresh air at night ya know…); repeatedly bath water all over the bathroom floor.

Almost all of them burn their bridges and can’t/won’t see past tomorrow. Most destitute poor are poor for specific reasons that are of their doing. It ain’t just circumstance.

I put him a motel room after a week of that shit. Told him he would be good for two weeks if he didn’t smoke in the room and if he would keep it clean (it was pretty bad on Monday … I need to go over there right now and check again).

I’ll pay for a plane trip to Vatican City if the Pope will house him for the same week that I did.

Reply to  DonM
April 10, 2020 7:31 pm

That was a good thing you did Don. We do such things in the hope that we can make a difference. That is only possible if the person you are trying to help is of the same mindset, of course if he was he wouldn’t be in the position he’s in.

Likely he thinks that whatever you have simply landed in your lap. If he hasn’t even had a job for some time he would have no concept of saving for anything. You’ve got it and he doesn’t. Gratitude isn’t always forthcoming and sometimes just the fact that you’ve got it makes him feel like he deserves what you’ve got. Even without having to work for it. Circles.

Addiction is insidious, perceived as a place to hide from unspeakable hurt. The addiction becomes the life of the addicted. They are out of it so much that they don’t even realise that they are not living life at all. Many of these people will never live a normal life, and you are right, most of them got themselves into that situation.

Makes me mad when virtue signallers complain about the poor and the destitute and how they shouldn’t have to live like that. They don’t have a clue, if they did they would understand that it’s just not that straightforward.

Lil Fella from OZ
April 9, 2020 6:58 pm

He does not care about the poor.

Reply to  Lil Fella from OZ
April 9, 2020 7:45 pm

I say, that’s rather unfair, I’m quite sure he toasts (with the finest of wines) to their sacrifice every night within his walled (isn’t that racist?) city with it’s guards armed to the teeth.

I doff my cap to the man. Speaking of which when are we going to have a female Pope?

Why is that city walled by the way?

Reply to  Anon
April 10, 2020 5:58 am

The Vatican walls, like other walls of Rome, were built to defend the seat of Christianity from the Celtic-British barbarians (originating from northern Europe), from the Svevi barbarians (original people of central Europe), from the Goti barbarians (people originating in Sweden), from the Longobardi barbarians (original people of Germany), from the Unni barbarians (people originating in southern Russia), from the Visigoti barbarians (people originating from the Scandinavian peninsula), from the Ostrogoti barbarians (people contiguous to the Goti), from the Normanni barbarians (original people of the current Denmark), from the Vandali barbarians (people from Eastern Europe), from the Saraceni barbarians (people from the Middle East muslim), from the Lanzichenecchi soldiers (soldiers from present Germany), etc … I now the walls of Rome and Vatican they can’t stop the new barbarians (French ultras, English hooligans, German hooligans, …). The world changes but barbarians always remain.

Reply to  giuliano
April 10, 2020 7:37 pm

How barbaric!

April 9, 2020 7:01 pm

If the Pope is saying that a vibrant economy destroys our humanity or diminishes our ability to care for the poor I have to disagree with him. Surely there are many examples of compassionless greed and inhumane treatment to be found in every strata of society. It is not things that we should guard against but the love of things. He seems to imply that the economy that avails itself of creation for sustenance causes us to treat the poor as things, even invisible things we can not see let alone have compassion for but that malady is not caused by an economy but the lack of will to see and help. A good economy allows those with vision to help the poor.

April 9, 2020 7:01 pm

Now, Bill Nye, Aljeerza Gore (hundreds of millionaire), Bill (millionaire) McGibben, Pope Paul, Barack Obama (multi-multi-millionaire), and 16 year old Greta Thunberg (millionaire); and then their are billionaire environmental groups like Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, EDF, NRDC, Rockefeller Foundation, Bloomberg Philanthropies, Pew Foundation, Heinz Foundation, Penn Foundation, Mellon Foundation, all of which are billionaire organizations investing in “Clean Green Machine” activities.

Reply to  Stephen Heins
April 10, 2020 7:22 am

After this free 60-day trial of Davos Man’s wetdream, their schemes are going to have ZERO takers. I mean, ZERO. BTW, as a bonus we’re also finding out just how unreliable “models” of practically any chaotic system really are. CAGW agitprop’s going to be very difficult to sell; henceforth they’ll hype the “NEXT Pandemic!”

Whether “the Pope is Catholic” is now an open question. He sounds like he’s praying to a sentient, female Earth like a pagan Druid at Stonehenge. Not a good look for genuinely devout Catholics.

Reply to  Goldrider
April 10, 2020 8:19 am

does a bear shit in the woods?

bears shit wherever they are at the time … wherever it is convenient.

Is the Pope catholic?

Reply to  Stephen Heins
April 10, 2020 7:55 pm

Stephen you are spot on! Nothing good has come out of wind and solar renewables, they have pulled no one out of poverty, in fact they are destroying industry. Can you imagine the good that could have been done with the money that has gone into promoting and building this industry. The warmists have turned it into an ‘investment’ opportunity. More like an opportunity for them to make more money!

What makes any actor or sportsman ‘worth’ millions of dollars per event? And why is it that when they do amass this wealth, they think that somehow what they have to say is more important than anyone else?

April 9, 2020 7:02 pm

The pope says:
“18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted.”
Is he referring to the ships that had to be rescued by ice-breakers?

Reply to  NeedleFactory
April 10, 2020 6:30 am

what I was going to copy n comment too
what boat ??
and theyre not glaciers but pack ice etc
holy see corona count is now8

April 9, 2020 7:02 pm

“There is an expression in Spanish: God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives.”

Yes Your Holiness
I hear
And I obey


Reply to  chaamjamal
April 10, 2020 7:54 am

Do I understand correctly that Mother Nature is Devil’s creation?

Who remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole? I don’t . Link, please.

Reply to  chaamjamal
April 10, 2020 8:55 pm

I loved your link (post) chaamjamal, very clever.

April 9, 2020 7:12 pm

The idea that we should actually reconnect with nature is valid. City dwellers are willing to support stupid policies because they have zero connection with nature. If more of the population was deeply connected to nature, a lot fewer people would believe in CAGW.

April 9, 2020 7:20 pm

“remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted?

We have a selective memory.”

He has a selective imagination. There is not a single boat of ANY size that has crossed the North Pole and even those trying to go around the ice pack there have had problems. Such as the yacht that had to anchor for WEEKS until the net supposedly ice-free section could be navigated.

So he lied. Bald-faced and looking us straight in the face, he lied.

Reply to  MarkMcD
April 10, 2020 5:12 am

The pope is an imbecile. There must be a very good reason why the US and Russia are embarking on a multiple ice breaker building program!

April 9, 2020 7:26 pm

“Jesus says we will have the poor with us always, and it’s true”

And that’s the ONLY biblical statement he makes. Lots of quotes from others and references to things of the world but nothing at all fro the bible or Jesus.

This is the pope brought onto the stage to destroy the Catholic Church – just look with open eyes at all he is doing and has done and see there is almost nothing to build the Church and the Catholic faith and everything to undermine and compromise it.

I am not at all Religious nor even Catholic, but it is clear they have a traitor at their helm.

Roger Knights
Reply to  MarkMcD
April 10, 2020 7:13 pm

“This is the pope brought onto the stage to destroy the Catholic Church”

My guess is that the church saw / sees the 3rd world as its future core, and brought in a pope who would cater to the desire of its 3rd-world prelates for cash from the Green Money fund by being a climate change activist.

April 9, 2020 7:37 pm

The Pope is the epitome of a useful idiot except I believe he knows what he’s doing. He’s been promised that in the New World Order/One World Government he and the Catholic religion will have relevance and power. Unfortunately he hasn’t read the Communist Manifesto or recognized history.

Jim Whelan
Reply to  markl
April 10, 2020 10:09 am

And this is exactly the final temptation of Jesus: “Bow down before me [Satan] and I will give you all this [the kingdoms of the world]”

April 9, 2020 7:43 pm

The pope gets a lot of things wrong. Eric Worrall points out some of them. I’ll add, re manufacturing weapons: Si vis pacem, para bellum – If you want peace, prepare for war – Flavius Vegetius Renatus c.400AD.

April 9, 2020 8:04 pm

This person is a sad case:
1. He Looked the other way when people were being disappeared.
2. His hospitals were telling unwed mothers their children had died and then adopted them out for cash.
3. Looked the other way for pederasts.
4. Promoted a notorious pederast to a higher office in Chile.
I could go on.

Andy Espersen
April 9, 2020 8:09 pm

But really, nothing, but nothing, has changed with the appearance of this virus. The basic question must be, “What risks are we facing now that we weren’t facing before?” . We have always stood the risk of dying from accident or illness some time before dying of old age. We must not become spell-bound, scared and hysterical by big numbers of fatalities. As Kierkegaard drily points out, we only die one death each – and we all have to go through that.

If completely ignored, i.e. without any lock-downs whatsoever, this epidemic would run its course as always. As it happens, the nature of this particular virus, apparently mostly fatal only to old people with preexisting medical conditions, would just cause a spike in natural death rates this year – followed by a significant drop below average over the following few years.

So what?

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 9, 2020 10:47 pm

Eric – With all due respect to Lord Monckton, enough data and statistics are simply not available yet for anybody to be able to say with any certainty whether or not “this disease is far worse than the flu”. I suggest we may have to wait a year or two before that question can be confidently answered.

I would be more interested in a response to my philosophical comment. That is actually more relevant for us in our dealings with the pandemic at this moment : “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day’s own trouble be sufficient for the day” (Matthew, 6.37).

Stephen Skinner
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 10, 2020 3:59 am

“ The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.” Proverbs 22:3
Perhaps, but like everything it all depends:
“God himself helps those who dare” Ovid
“Man is affected not by events but by the view he takes of them” Seneca
“There is no greater folly in the world than for a man to despair” Miguel de Cervantes
“Striving to better, oft we mar what’s well” Shakespeare
“He who dares wins” SAS motto
I’m not suggesting being reckless under the current circumstances but we have narrowed focus sharply down onto fixing a single problem. In aviation this type of thinking (fixation) has precipitated a few disasters because the tunnel vision had screened out all other inputs that were demanding attention. We are definitely between a rock and a hard place, because, especially in our efforts to save the NHS, we are destroying many wealth creating businesses that provide the surplus wealth that pays for the NHS, while at the same time storing up future health problems caused by this approach that we and the NHS will be tasked to deal with.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 10, 2020 4:26 am

The death rate of a number of admitted patients to a hospital is of course meaningless on its own. You get a true death rate only in a case such as the cruise ship Diamond Princess, with a known number of people, contained together from the beginning of the outbreak. That said, yes – Covid 19 is a very nasty illness for many.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
April 10, 2020 8:53 am

Don’t be ridiculous. Willis’s graph of April 6, available on the WUWT banner page, shows most countries exceeded their annual Flu death rate in the first 30 days. So far more virulent than the flu is a broadly accurate statement.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  DMacKenzie
April 10, 2020 1:51 pm

DMacKenzie – Far more virulent?? Absolutely yes.

But we were discussing the true fatality rate. My guess is that it will many more months before we can know that with any degree of certainty.

J Mac
April 9, 2020 8:11 pm

“Nature doesn’t forgive…” because nature is not a self-aware sentient being. Yet this pope talks like ‘nature’ is sentient and he seems to worship it. Is this a return to paganism, for the Catholic church?

Walt D.
April 9, 2020 8:19 pm

From the Latin Vulgate Isaiah 32.6
stultus enim fatua loquetur
Seem appropriate for this Pope.

Walter Sobchak
April 9, 2020 8:24 pm

Word salad. The guy is losing it.

I would like to be a fly on the wall when he meets Joe Biden.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 9, 2020 10:23 pm

The comment of the day!
Thank you Walter

Rich Davis
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 11, 2020 6:40 pm

Lol imagine having to be the translator!
Blah blah woof woof
Dog faced pony soldier

April 9, 2020 8:36 pm

Don’t ever let a chance go by to pile on with the subsidy mining and the rivers of Green-

Reply to  observa
April 10, 2020 9:27 pm

observa the push for wind and solar and now batteries in Australia is unbelievable! We import most of it so the jobs are limited, even the installation of solar renewables is done mostly by backpackers and those projects are short term. And we still don’t have any full recycling industry in Australia, just a growing toxic waste problem.

The government has got to wake up and stop subsidising this industry, There is little money being made by Australians, the bulk of the money is going to overseas investment. The overseas developers sell the completed projects to other overseas concerns. Through subsidies we are sending our taxpayers dollars out of the country at a rapid rate.

It’s the same as having to subsidise the ABC with our own taxes when the majority of us don’t want it. The ABC may not have commercials, but it’s become one big overgrown commercial for socialism!

April 9, 2020 9:14 pm

How come this Pope is so very ignorant?

I guess its just far easier to blame ‘climate change’ than be critical of China regarding its gross negligence over its mishandling the coronavirus, which then uncontrollably spread around the world.

Mr Reynard
April 9, 2020 9:55 pm

Bush-fires in Aus ?? I live in Aus & I know, that about 200 persons got arrested for starting bush-fires ??
Any follow up on those arrests in the media ?? Nope . Some of those firebugs were wannabe ISIS Muslims, some Greenies Global warming advocates & a few just mentally retarded ??
This is WHY no media reports ?
BTW anything coming from that Satan’s spawn.a.k.a. Francis, is to be treated as a putrid crap !

Larry in Texas
April 9, 2020 10:29 pm

As a Catholic, I am appalled by this talk and all of its quasi-Marxist, quasi-animist nonsense. It was the kind of speech I was afraid he was going to be capable of giving when he was elected Pope. And he has actually done little in the way of the kinds of internal, spiritual reforms that have been needed in the wake of the priest/child abuse scandal. The Church will have to survive this nonsense and understand that the kind of help the poor need is the kind they really got from Mother Theresa in Calcutta, not the so-called “welfare” help of any government.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Larry in Texas
April 10, 2020 12:59 am

Larry I sympathise. I am a lapsed catholic because I observed that Catholicism itself is lapsing into paganism. One of the reasons I left.

April 9, 2020 10:35 pm

Speaking of nature, the following is a quote from the latest journal of the same name: “Here we [Trisos, Megow and Pigot] use annual projections (from 1850 to 2100) of temperature and precipitation across the ranges of more than 30,000 marine and terrestrial species to estimate the timing of their exposure to potentially dangerous climate conditions.”

It would seem that the Pope is not the only one who thinks they’re channelling a higher authority on climate change. Possibly Big Al?

What model could accurately compute 80 years of climate projections over the range of 30,000 species on land and at sea? This has to be a matter of misplaced faith, for it certainly isn’t science.

Rod Evans
April 9, 2020 11:19 pm

Anyone who imagines there are glaciers in or around the North Pole has a vivid imagination and is best regarded as a dreamer, he certainly has little to no understanding of reality.
I will leave it there.

Alasdair Fairbairn
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 10, 2020 1:27 am

Rod Evans:
This could be a mistranslation or a typo. The Italian for glacier Ghiacciaio. For ice it is Ghiaccio.

John Endicott
Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
April 10, 2020 8:58 am

Even being generous and assuming it was a mistranslation (I suspect it wasn’t, he is that ignorant of the science that he professes to believe in), he said 18 months ago the “ice” had all melted. 18 months ago was the Oct/Nov timeframe – that’s winter at the north pole – a time when the Ice is *growing*, not melting. He has no clue about the scientific facts.

April 10, 2020 12:18 am

With all due respect, the man is an idiot

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 10, 2020 12:37 am

Il papa has gone gaga.

Someone ought to explain to him the real message of the parable of the Good Samaritan. He could be Good because he was rich. A poor man could not be a good samaritan even if he wanted to, for lack of resources.

Alasdair Fairbairn
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 10, 2020 1:21 am

Ed Zuiderwiijk:
Yes indeed a very good point often forgotten.

April 10, 2020 12:37 am

I am not a Catholic and I consider the present Pope to be ignorant of the processes at play in the natural world and childishly gullible with regard to politics and economics . However , unlike all the other responses above I thought that the address by the Pope showed a gentle compassion for those less fortunate than some of us which was truly Christian and made me reconsider my previous opinions about the man inside the cloth.
I am beginning to think that at heart he is a good and touchingly simple man, led astray by colleagues with more devious motives.

Reply to  mikewaite
April 10, 2020 2:32 am

Strange predictions !
Apocalypse riders
After the “pale rider”, the “Collective mission” !

John Endicott
Reply to  mikewaite
April 10, 2020 9:02 am

I thought that the address by the Pope showed a gentle compassion for those less fortunate

Shame then, that the anti-human globalist policies he advocates are far from compassionate for those less fortunate. Best not to judge him by the lip-service he gives, but by the actions he supports.

Stephen Skinner
April 10, 2020 1:20 am

“I’m thinking at this time of the saints who live next door. They are heroes: doctors, volunteers, religious sisters, priests, shop workers – all performing their duty so that society can continue functioning.”
Heroes indeed. But society has been instructed to stop. Society is not functioning.

Kone Wone
April 10, 2020 1:33 am

Will no one rid us of this turbulent priest?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Kone Wone
April 10, 2020 2:40 am

What do you suggest? Is this a dagger I see before me?

Stephen Skinner
April 10, 2020 3:15 am

“St Teresa of Calcutta saw them (the poor), and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity.”
That ended up as ‘helping’ them die without the application of life saving medicines. With Saints like that who needs doctors?
When Pope John Paul was shot did he go straight to the Vatican to prey or straight to a hospital?

M__ S__
April 10, 2020 4:36 am

Pretty much every time he opens his mouth P. Francis affirms how flawed the system for choosing popes is.

Rich Davis
Reply to  M__ S__
April 11, 2020 6:52 pm

I would not discount the wrath of God scourging the bride of Christ (his church).
Doesn’t she deserve it? Consider the past 70 years of abuse of innocents.

Craig Rogers
April 10, 2020 5:56 am

Counterfeit Christianity, Babylon the Great the world empire of false religion, is going to be destroyed by Jehovah using the governments which will happen immediately after the say “Peace and Security” .
1 These 5:2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s* daya is coming exactly as a thief in the night.b 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them,c just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

How this unique cry of Peace and Security comes about could be speculated, it will happen, the nations will rejoice in thinking a real peace has occurred.

in 1017 languages

John the Econ
April 10, 2020 6:04 am

“The past has no answers for the poor”.


Reply to  John the Econ
April 10, 2020 8:21 am

Even Jesus said “the poor will always be with us.” Most poverty today is a cocktail of low IQ, failure to form intact families, addiction, crime and lack of ability to defer gratification. In short, poverty results from a failure of understanding that actions (or the lack of them) have consequences in a direct causal chain.

The numbers of “poor” were self-limiting until we started subsidizing and encouraging trained helplessness and government dependency. What you see is the result.

Jeffery P
April 10, 2020 6:08 am

This Pope is a neo-Marxist. I really miss Pope John Paul II, who spoke with real moral authority and clarity.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Jeffery P
April 10, 2020 8:32 am

Agree, one if Pope John Poul II’s quotes:

Let us remember the past with gratitude, live the present with enthusiasm, and look forward to the future with confidence.

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
April 10, 2020 9:57 pm

This is what the socialists have taken from us, I’m tempted to say ‘how dare they’, but I am quite serious about this statement. They have sucked the joy out of life, and from a place of ignorance. They prefer to believe propaganda and the drama that goes with it than to do some research of their own.

I would prefer to live life along the lines of the quote that you shared Carl, and you don’t need to be religious to follow that advice.

April 10, 2020 7:02 am

He is an anti-pope. Benedict’s abdication is invalid and he is still the pope. Anti-pope Francis allows demonically inspired pachamama pagan rituals as part of a Latin mass. So it’s no surprise he invokes the will of his goddess Gaia.

April 10, 2020 8:02 am

The marxist takeover of the Catholic Church is complete. Marx is taking confessions now.

April 10, 2020 8:36 am

Idris Elba says coronavirus is ‘planet’s response to taking a kicking’ as he chats to Oprah

John Endicott
April 10, 2020 8:48 am

or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted?

1) there hasn’t been glaciers at the North Pole to melt, Glaciers form on Land, the North Pole is (at this present period of history) at sea. Glaciers didn’t melt there because they don’t form there (not for millions of years, at least, as that’s how long back you have to go for there to be a landmass at the North Pole for a glacier to form on).
2) no boats were crossing an ice free the North Pole then or at any other time. The occasional ice breaker might cross that way, but that requires breaking the ice as it goes.
3) 18 months ago was October/November 2018, that’s the winter. The Ice was growing, not melting then.

I hate to say it, but this Pope is an idiot. He “believes in science” but doesn’t know anything about science. I pity my Catholic friends who have to put up with his “leadership”.

April 10, 2020 9:28 am

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Reply to  Neo
April 10, 2020 10:47 am

A separation of logical domains. According to this ancient philosophy, an extra-universal entity, “God”, ordered our operational space, and it is our responsibility to observe and understand the chaos (“evolution”) that persists, and order it to improve our standing (e.g. our Posterity). To this end, a religion (“ethics”) or behavioral protocol was defined to normalize reconciliation and fitness. So-called secular sects have their faiths, philosophers, religions (e.g. laws, ethics), and traditions, too.

Mark Negovan
April 10, 2020 10:19 am

One sin that a church can commit is teaching that the poor must be lifted out of poverty by society as a whole while not requiring society to conform to the Church’s beliefs. So if the Pope says that governments must lift up the poor out of poverty, then he must also say that governments need to conform to Catholic teaching. That is not a bad idea in the context of what the bible actually teaches, but requires cooperation at a human level never before achieved. And I think the protestants would take issue with that request. There is so much history on the subject. And for a society to prioritize lifting the poor from poverty certainly denies that Jesus said the poor would always be with us. It also de-prioritizes societal achievements which tend to lift all boats. Jesus himself was not poor even while he adopted a life of servitude and self imposed poverty. His family was at worst middle class if not upper middle class given that his father was a carpenter, one of the most valued professions of the day. The story of the birth of Jesus in Bethlehem is one of government bureaucratic insanity where all of the Jewish society was required to conform to idiotic census requirements. Jesus became a Rabbi, a teacher of the law, and as such was a higher class member of society. He fought against an over reaching government (theocratic at the time) which impacted the poor the most. His family ensured that he was taught in good schools and most likely paid significantly for his education. He was God in human form and what he taught was for all people to recognize the creator and the gift of his son, at which time they would become rich with their inheritance of the kingdom. Rich. This Easter perhaps the poor and everyone else might choose to be rich and then the scourges around the world might start abating. With all due respect to the Pope, it is not the other way around.

Reply to  Mark Negovan
April 10, 2020 10:08 pm

Buy my own perception it’s often the very rich who show the least charity.

Mark Negovan
Reply to  Megs
April 11, 2020 10:49 am

I did not in any way mention charity nor refer to it which tends toward personal choice and empathy. And charity is not what the Pope espoused in his speech highlighted above. What he said is that the priority of society must change to raise up the living standards of the poor. He believes that we must move from a capitalist system to a socialist system. Now he says that we brought this virus upon ourselves through the harvesting of the natural world and its resources. Yet the virus came from a communist nation where all wealth is redistributed. He blames our western heritage over communist bat crap.

There is no better historical example of raising the living standards of the poorest of people than western democracy and capitalism WITH religious freedom. This world is a transitory experience for people who, according to Christian beliefs, have souls. If a rich man gave all of his wealth away to the poor, he would not buy a spot in heaven. True charity of the spirit begins with acknowledgment that the kingdom will come and Jesus will rule there. That is the true lesson of the rich young ruler in the bible. Once that is accepted, we can expect an abundant life as promised.

Reply to  Mark Negovan
April 11, 2020 4:47 pm

Mark I didn’t expand on that comment because it’s a subject, the people who are wealthy to the extreme, I discussed in comments responding to others in this post.

I referred to the the obscene wealth of actors, sports people and people who are famous for being famous. Many of these people have joined the cult that is AGW. They feel that they have the right to promote AGW and it’s their duty to donate large sums of money for their cause. They have become the disciples of the AGW cult. They preach AGW as though it was real and with such a sense of self importance.

The money they have wasted on AGW propaganda and wind and solar renewables would have been better spent on Rehab Centres, temporary accommodation for the homeless, Training Centers and Scholarships, Research Centers and Environmental Studies around how to make practical differences.

Of course there are many philanthropists too who are seeking to make a difference, who have more wealth than they need and who have genuine altruistic values.

The money that has been thrown at the AGW cult amounts to trillions of dollars, and with this money they have spread lies and they have done enormous damage to the environment with their wind, solar and battery industry. To make matters worse they are pushing this industry harder than ever and they haven’t even thought about it’s disposal. This is a farce, a cult, this industry is not clean, green or sustainable, but they themselves are so heavily invested in it now they can’t back out.

Global Socialism is the aim, AGW was created as the new religion. Give the people something to believe in, that way they will think that they can make a difference, even contribute to, strike the fear of AGW into them. Gain power over them, make them feel that it would be wrong not to believe.

Sad that the Pope is being swayed by a cult, and in doing so gives strength to their cause, but then many scientists have sold their souls too, and journalists.

Not Chicken Little
April 10, 2020 11:34 am

The Pope is a Dope. So, Nature is mad because of “climate change” and the coronavirus is her response. No need to propose a mechanism as to how this could come about…next we’ll find out the Pope believes in “turtles all the way down”…

And he proposes this right before Easter, the holiest of holy days, the bedrock and foundation of Christianity. The Pope does not believe in God, but in Gaia…

Pat from Kerbob
April 10, 2020 12:02 pm

Needless to say, during the Black Death in the 1300’s people relied on praying to god for help, something the Pope would understand. Unfortunately that cure allowed 1/3-2/3rds of the population of Europe to die.

Our current pandemic, attended to by science and modern medicine, will be lucky to kill a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population.

I choose modern industrial society for the win

April 10, 2020 12:47 pm

And people were called “conspiracy theorists” when they wondered out loud if politics were involved in replacing Pope Benedict with this charlatan. He has continually attacked church tenets and soiled the cloth given him. One has to wonder what he’s been promised for carrying out his subterfuge.

April 10, 2020 1:26 pm

The church is maintaining its usual standards of scientific rigour. One word – Galileo.

Mike Maguire
April 10, 2020 3:48 pm

I am usually proud to identify as an actively practicing Catholic but not at times when Pope Francis makes anti science statements like this. What makes it impossible to overlook is that I’ve been an operational meteorologist for 38 years, analyzing and forecasting global weather for energy and agriculture.

The last 40 years on this planet have featured the best weather/climate for life in at least 1,000 years, the last time it was this warm, during the Medieval Climate Optimum.
The Holocene Climate Optimum was WARMER than this in the higher latitudes from 9,000 to 5,000 years ago. There was less Arctic ice then. Note: Authentic climate science(before it was hijacked) always referred to it as an OPTIMUM because the warmer conditions were an optimum for life………just like they are today.


So the pope is full of science crap but so are many of the brainwashed that believe in the made up climate crisis. He is no scientist but gets his information from people that are deceiving him. The Pontifical Academy of Sciences and United Nations/IPCC for instance.

What if they told him the truth. What would happen if we cooled the planet by 1 deg. C and dropped CO2 from the current 410 parts per million to under 300 ppm…….the climate over a century ago, BEFORE it changed?

Plunging crop yields and food production would cause over 1 billion people to starve within 3 years and food prices to triple.
What if somebody explained the Haber-Bosch Process(using natural gas) to him and he realized that close to 50% of the nitrogen in human tissues comes from the manufacturing of fertilizers using this fossil fuel? Take this away and another 2-3 billion people would starve to death……….most of them poor people.


I’m convinced that he sincerely cares for the poor people of the world but has been fed a steady stream of misinformation, junk science and lies and believes in the manufactured reality, knowing nothing about the realities that I described above.

There are people smarter than me and the pope that have been misled to believe in the fake climate crisis. I just happen to be lucky enough, in a profession that has afforded me the opportunity to observe the reality every day for 4 decades vs needing somebody else’s (flawed) interpretation of it as a main source. So I know the truth.
Pope Francis thinks that climate change and fossil fuels are hurting the poor, when the polar opposite is the case.

Seeing this, is frustrating as a Catholic but the biggest concern that I had in his statement is his bringing up the comparison of Adolph Hitler with Donald Trump.
This is very revealing and disturbing. I am ok with popes having political differences with leaders (for instance, China’s government) but to use his difference of opinion with President Trump to compare Trump with the most evil person in human history, is an unjustifiable position(under any circumstances) driven by what appears to be hatred……….instead of love.

Hate is the most destructive of all emotions. It will cause you to discard your ethical standards in order to justify hurting the person that you hate. It will cause you to embarrass yourself in actions and statements because you are driven by and you are blinded by your hate.

President Trump is the easiest to hate political figure of our time………..if you disagree with his belief system. Many millions that hate him intensely, blame him instead of facing accountability for their own feelings of hatred.

President Trump represents many things that oppose the United Nations belief system. Their objective is to reduce consumption of natural resources by the rich countries(especially the US) and practice a much lower level of “sustainable development”. Trump is the complete opposite. He wants to ramp up the economy and consumption………. the very things they want to diminish.

When you think of the extreme measures that the UN has gone to over the last 4 decades in an attempt to impose their political, global socialism agenda on us(hijacking climate science and feeding lies to us for instance) this is a war that justifies everything. They believe so strongly in their cause that everything is justifiable to accomplish it.

And they have captured the popes brain. It’s like he’s been hypnotized, recruited as their most powerful priest in the climate religion because the pope cares most for the poor and has been hoodwinked into thinking the thing that is benefiting the poor most, fossil fuels is actually hurting them.

Captured brain or not, statements from Pope Francis that target President Trump as another Hitler, to hurt him………that would be offensive if made by anyone…… are the opposite of what we expect from a pope. Nobody can say what is in his heart when he states something this shocking and a blatant lie to smear a political opponent but typically, others do this when they target a person that they hate or want others to hate.

This contradicts much of his preaching of mercy and humility, which he practices in most realms.

Despite that, I truly believe that if Pope Francis knew the truth, his position would be entirely different. He is altruistically motivated and though seriously misguided and possibly affected by the human emotion of hate, I will not completely reject everything about him. There is good in everybody, including Pope Francis.
Here is one view.

Roger Knights
Reply to  Mike Maguire
April 10, 2020 7:37 pm

“Seeing this, is frustrating as a Catholic but the biggest concern that I had in his statement is his bringing up the comparison of Adolph Hitler with Donald Trump.”

He didn’t name Trump, did he? He probably had in mind some of the leaders in Central Europe who have closed their borders to Middle Eastern refugees, made ethnic-tinged statements, scorned the EU, and attempted to usurp power from their parliaments and rule by decree.

But those behaviors and beliefs are just those of strong-man governments and still pretty far from Nazism, whose basic beliefs were racialism, expansionism, and militarism. (And a hefty dose of paganism.)

Mike Maguire
Reply to  Roger Knights
April 13, 2020 11:07 am

Thanks for pointing out something I assumed incorrectly.

I was thinking of his stating that Trump was not a Christian back in 2016 for his southern border wall position and some here comparing Trump to Hitler without actually reading his statement closely.

He was probably referring to European leaders as you suggested and I was out of line for suggesting that he hates Trump.

Reply to  Mike Maguire
April 10, 2020 11:32 pm

Mike I sympathise with you for how you are feeling in regards to the actions of the leader of your church. Though I am not myself religious I respect and would not begrudge your right, or the rights of followers of other religions to practise their faith. Though sadly some religions have strayed from their original teachings, the basis of most major religions came from a place of love, of seeking forgiveness and understanding and of tolerance. Religious teachings taught us morals.

The Pope has lost sight of the true meaning of being equal in the same way that the AGW cult has. Some people have started calling them a religion, I believe that ‘cult’ is more applicable. They have set themselves ‘above’ us in their quest for global socialist government. They talk about ‘equality’ yet they seek to label and devide humanity. In doing this, the ‘inclusive’ way that people are supposed to treat each other is impossible. This is why we ourselves use the labels ‘left’ or ‘right’ to describe ourselves or others, we want to make our stance clear.

It used to be that you could gauge the way a conversation could go on whether or not you felt comfortable with a person. People did not assume an insult unless of course that was what was intended. I was raised to understand that I would meet alot of people in life who would be very different to me and that was OK. You treat those people with respect and the majority of the time that’s what would come back to you. Get to know them a little and it’s likely you could call them a friend. We didn’t need labels, people were people. You either liked them or you didn’t and it had nothing to do with a label they might wear under today’s rules.

Of course labels are not always divisive, mother is a label I happily wear. The cult is seeking to take these labels from us, mother, father, her, him, she, he etc. Of course the label fireman would have to go too and policemen, and that even applies to men! There are many descriptive terms that we have used for centuries without offending anyone. It is the people of the cult who have declared that we are offended. This is where it’s becoming tricky, the cult are deciding lots of things for us, and if we don’t agree they treat us with disdain and shout us down. There taking the labels we are happy to wear and applying labels we don’t usually deserve, hateful labels such as racist, bigot, far right, Nazi, denier, homophobic etc. They have labelled us with hate. I refuse to wear that label, and the others.

They themselves are spreading hate with incredible speed, not just through MSM but with social media too, newsprint, in fact any way they can. Unfortunately we have been largely shut out from opportunities to fight back, but that is truly what we need to do.

As I said, I am not religious but I still find it appalling to see a man of God promoting a cult.

April 10, 2020 7:13 pm

Peronism is a contagious disease.

April 11, 2020 3:41 am

“St Teresa of Calcutta saw them, and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity.”

That is what “mother” Theresa saw: Calcutta’s poor as easy pray to crank up the conversion statistics, in the race with other Christian and Muslim powers. She only helped them die, and only after conversion to Roman Catholicism.
Imagine a religion named after the force that empowered it – the Roman Empire – while before 313 AD it publicly tortured Christians to death for public entertainment and even executed the first Christian – Jesus. Theresa fits right in.

Michael 2
April 12, 2020 9:14 am

“Did the Pope say Covid-19 is Nature’s Response to Ignoring Climate Change?”

No. Betteridge’s law of headlines is an adage that states: “Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no”.

Otherwise there would be no “did” and no question mark. At any rate, the Spanish Flu cannot very well be blamed on Climate Change ™.

Mike Borcherding
April 12, 2020 10:20 am

Nature?? There is a growing body of evidence that this virus very likely could have come from a government lab in China. Not developed by them, but identified and isolated by them for what purpose we don’t know, but possibly escaped and caused this pandemic. What will the Pope say about China if this is shown to be the case?? Nothing I imagine.

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