By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
Some commenters responding to this daily series providing some information about the Chinese virus have repeated what seems to have become something of a mantra among libertarians who, understandably, dislike the idea of widespread lockdowns, with the loss of freedom and the economic damage that they entail. That mantra is that the Chinese virus is no more infections or no more fatal than flu, and that if we had allowed everyone to acquire immunity by catching the infection and throwing it off all would be well.
Look at today’s graph. Though the downtrend in the daily compound growth rate in total confirmed cases now appears well established, that growth rate is still very high, averaging around 8% globally outside China and occupied Tibet, where the numbers are unreliable.

The red curve shows the case growth rate for the world excluding China. If the 8% daily growth rate were to continue, yesterday’s 1,430,919 confirmed cases (many of which tend to be those serious enough to have come to the authorities’ attention, since testing is still occurring on a tiny scale in most countries) would have risen to nearly 8 million by the end of April, and more than 80 million by the end of May.
It is important, therefore, to ensure that the now well established downtrend is maintained. That is why, for the time being, governments will be keeping lockdowns in place. It would be irresponsible to do otherwise.
Of course, one might legitimately argue that, if the Chinese virus were really no worse than flu, the crippling social and economic cost of lockdowns would be unjustifiable.

But governments cannot afford to make policy on the assumption, perhaps a little too carelessly made by some commenters here, that the virus is no more dangerous and no more infectious than flu.
Here, then, to help us to begin to answer that important question, are some tolerably reliable, real-world data. I am grateful to the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Center in London for having made details from its Case Mix Programme Database available. The Case Mix Programme is the national clinical audit of patient outcomes from adult critical care.
The Center has recently issued a report on all confirmed UK cases reported to it up to midday on 3 April, just a few days ago. Critical care units notify the Center as soon as they have admitted any patient with confirmed Chinese virus, together with demographics, initial physiological state, organ support and eventual outcome.
The report concerns 2249 patients, whose mean age at admission was 60 years, compared with 58 years for 4759 patients with non-COVID-19 viral pneumonia, most of them caused by flu, over the three complete years 2017-2019.
Of the 2249 patients, 346 (15%) have died, 344 (15%) have been discharged alive, and 1559 (69%) are still in critical care. The case fatality rate, as a fraction of all closed cases admitted to intensive care, is thus a little over 50%, compared with only 22% for the non-COVID viral pneumonias of the past three years. In each age-group (under 50, 50-69 and 70+), the percentage of patients admitted to critical care with the Chinese virus and subsequently dying in hospital is at least twice the percentage of critical-care patients with other viral pneumonias over the previous three years.
Among those requiring ventilation, two-thirds die by the end of their critical care and only one-third survive. Therefore, the case fatality rate for closed cases where ventilation was required is more than 67%, compared with only 16% for non-COVID viral pneumonia cases requiring ventilation.
Worse, advanced respiratory support for Chinese-virus cases is typically maintained for between 4 and 9 days (average 6 days), while it is not needed at all in non-COVID-19 viral-pneumonia cases, which require only basic respiratory support, and require it only for 2-4 days (average 3 days). The data are similar for cardiovascular support, and for renal support. The Chinese-virus cases tend to require advanced rather than basic support, and to require it for twice as long. And yet, even after all that extra care, the case fatality rate is many times higher than for non-COVID viral pneumonias.
On the assumption that about half of all this year’s critical cases of seasonal viral pneumonia would have occurred by now, and making no allowance for any further exponential growth in Chinese-virus cases in intensive care, and assuming that the summer will stop the virus causing critical cases (an assumption that the authorities, rightly, do not regard themselves as being in any position to make yet), there are approximately three times as many serious Chinese-virus cases than all other viral pneumonias combined, including those caused by flu, in a typical year, and at least twice as many of these will die than with other serious viral pneumonia cases.
Thus, the Chinese virus is six times more fatal than pre-existing viral pneumonias, including those caused by flu.
In the past three years, some 46% of viral-pneumonia cases were female and 54% male. With the Chinese virus, however, only 27% are female and 63% are male.
The report also considers ethnicity. About four-fifths of the UK population is White, but only two-thirds of the critical cases to date are Whites. Blacks, in particular, are three times over-represented in intensive care: they represent one case in seven, but are only one in 20 of the population.
Body mass index was also studied, but the number of cases in the below-normal, normal, overweight, obese and morbidly obese categories is not far out of line with the general population, two-thirds of whom are overweight or obese. Some 72% of intensive-care Chinese-virus cases are overweight or obese.
Interestingly, the number of cases with cardiovascular, respiratory, renal, hepatic, cancerous or immunocompromised comorbidities was quite small. In all these categories, it was less than for the usual viral pneumonias over the past three years.
In the past three years, non-COVID viral pneumonias have put 43% of patients on to ventilators within the first 24 hours. The Chinese virus, however, is worse: it puts 63% on to ventilators within the first 24 hours. Therefore, governments planning hospital capacity for Chinese-virus cases must make extra allowance for the greater demands, both in advanced rather than basic care and in days of treatment, than other viral-pneumonia cases.
The doctor through whom I came upon these figures, who has himself suffered with the Chinese virus and has recovered, is very angry that for political reasons those who understandably dislike lockdowns have been maintaining, contrary to the evidence, that the Chinese virus is “no worse than flu”.
Be in no doubt. This disease is a lot worse than flu. It puts more people into intensive care, where they require costlier and more advanced treatment, where they will be in intensive care for twice the time required by other viral pneumonia-patients, and where they are more than twice as likely to die as those other patients.
So don’t dismiss it lightly. Not any more. Wash hands often. Wear full-face masks when out of doors or away from home. Take Vitamin D3 daily. Be safe.
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What the newspaper does not say but all the doctors in Spain already know because it has been spread on social networks:
“We are starting treatment with a dose of 80 mg of methylprednisolone daily 40 mg every 12 or 80 mg bolus and some patients who see that their correct response add another anti-inflammatory therapy such as tocilizumab or anakinra.”
“Disseminate this information and put it into action, collect data and we all overcome this epidemic. ” And it ends: ” LUCKY COMPANIONS EARLY ANTI-FLAMMATORY TREATMENT ”.”
Two medical friends have confirmed it for me, but anyway I imagine that whoever wants to follow this guideline should contact that hospital or the one in Granada:
Dr. Manuel Calleja. Internist doctor at the Virgen de Las Nieves hospital in Granada
https://www.huvn.es/
Dr. Angel Atienza mdico internista y responsable del rea COVID en el Hospital Doctor Peset Valencia
http://fisabio.san.gva.es/hospital-universitario-doctor-peset
odd cos chinese docs reports said using glucocorticoids made little difference
new research says theres a notable issue of blood clotting badly blocking IV lines and affecting lung oxy exchange etc
suggesting using existing meds like the urokinase to thin it
This is information from Adelaide from Spain.
Adelaida says:
April 5, 2020 at 1:06 PM
From last link:
“The initial results are excellent so that the admissions in the intensive care unit have been reduced, with shortened hospital stays and radiological and clinical responses that I would dare to define as spectacular. We believe that COVID therapy for pneumonia is corticosteroid therapy at the onset of pneumonia at the stage that we consider mild, particularly in febrile patients from the first week and with analytical abnormalities. Initiating anti-inflammatory therapy prior to the development of severe pneumonia, covering the period of time in which the patient can worsen corticosteroid therapy”
“The OMS made a contraindicated mistake in the use of corticosteroids in patients with COVID infection 19. In this way, this therapy is postponed until a very serious situation in which the therapy is much less effective. Soon we will have data on all this and we will disseminate it but we will disseminate this information inviting you to try this treatment on the patients that I anticipate. Infection Does Not Kill Them Kills The Inflammatory Reaction To Macrophage Activated Infection”
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/03/covid-19-deaths-in-europe-excess-mortality-is-down/#comments
Adelaida says:
April 6, 2020 at 2:30 AM
You are welcome!
Hopefully many people are saved !!!!
It is information that is not yet official, contradicts the OMS, and that only circulates in social networks and local newspapers … not in the big ones …
Those of us who believe in God pray intensely for it too !!!!
And I am sure that those who are not believers also have an inner prayer to whatever the force or energy of the universe that can help this end as soon as possible !!!!
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/03/covid-19-deaths-in-europe-excess-mortality-is-down/#comments
Corticosteroid treatment is used in Spain from the sixth to the twelfth day of illness. If we are late, the treatment is not effective.
Thanks for that info, ren.
It sounds like treatment should be started as soon as the infection is discovered. The current policy seems to be to send a positive person home to try to get over it there without medication. Should that continue or should we start treating right away even though we don’t know how hard the Wuhan virus is going to hit a particular person? Some people have practically no problems and don’t need treatment, and some people go down hill very fast.
More lessons to learn about this virus.
Thank you for the update Lord M of B. I am in the age of high risk, 74, and in a geo-political setting of strict quarantine, and in a Provincial population with 1 in 40,000 Covid-19 infection rate. I will adhere to the various rational protocols, mostly because I don’t want any interaction with the authorities, but partly because I want to avoid nasty comments from others, and just a little bit because I don’t want to experiment with this aggressive virus. The big issue is how to re-start the economy without risking accelerating the infection/fatality statistics. If the world does not get their economies back to production the ability to resist this virus, or anything else, will be soon dangerously compromised. Think and plan and go for it, but stay safe.
He does not call himself a Lord – why do you?
Just call him MoB—the Lord is implicit, sort of. It’s a compromise I like.
All the data is heavily “spun”–by both sides. Testing is notoriously unreliable. The reality is that we do not know to within an order of magnitude how deadly this is. Some of the data I have seen suggest it may be only 1/10 as bad as regular flu if people are allowed to get natural sunshine and the good cheer of social contact. Monckton has done a good job of presenting the more alarming evidence.
Mankind did not evolve with the gear Monckton has pictured, nor did God make or design us for that. There is good evidence that such will reduce health and make one more susceptible to microorganisms of any kind.
Research has shown that regular church-goers of any kind live an average of 7 years longer than unchurched (Denver Post ~1999). More recently, I saw a report that said church-goers live 4 years longer. I would expect such figures apply to non-Christian religions as well. This week’s web browsing included an article saying that there is a measurable energy produced in worship meetings, measurable increase in well-being. Last week saw the arrest of a mega-Church pastor for attracting over 1200 people to a Sunday service, with the claim that it had nothing to do with freedom of religion.
Unemployment and economic loss KILL people. Those arguing for all these restrictions never consider those figures. The deaths from hysteria will be 10-fold to 100-fold higher than the virus itself in the end–at least from first-year infections.
The virus has been sequenced and found to contain gene insertion tools. It is definitely a bioweapon, which is not proof that it is more contagious, nor especially deadly. Results have shown high contagion beyond a reasonable doubt. Deadly as cold/flu is under considerable argument. The greatest danger is utterly unknown: this virus has AIDS sequences in its genome. HIV kills over time by infecting T-cells and rapidly aging that section of the immune system. We will not know for at least a year whether this virus effectively gives AIDS to non-sexually-active people.
“The virus has been sequenced and found to contain gene insertion tools. It is definitely a bioweapon, ”
In a world where BS is everywhere that sentence is olympic level. If you can provide a reputable reference for that sentence I will be impressed…..
Along with
” there is a measurable energy produced in worship meetings”
I wonder what device was used to measure it, and whether it could be used to boil a kettle?
In the municipality of Gangelt in North Rhine-Westphalia, which is particularly affected by the coronavirus, an infection was detected in 15 percent of the examined citizens. The head of the field study in the district of Heinsberg, Hendrik Streeck, reported on Thursday in Düsseldorf.
These first, but scientifically representative interim results are a rather conservative calculation, said the virologist. According to Streeck, 15 percent of the citizens in the community have now also developed immunity to the virus. The probability of dying from the disease is 0.37 percent based on the total number of people infected. The corresponding rate currently calculated by the American Johns Hopkins University in Germany is 1.98 percent and is five times higher, said the virologist.
The study is flawed. Like the Chinese useless test kits their test can also not distinguish sufficiently between cold corona viruses and SARS-CoV-2. No neutralization steps in their procedure. False positive results give therefore the dangerous impression of a lower lethality rate.
There is huge political pressure from the prime minister of the federal state this study was done in towards a no-lockdown result before Eastern. German politicians are about to decide next step for the pandemic these days.
The common flu kills over half a million every year. So, in that perspective, COVID-19 is not worse than the flu.
The only difference is that for the flu, humans have reached herd inmunity a long time ago.
The social distancing measures slows us on our way to herd inmunity for COVID-19.
“The common flu kills over half a million every year. So, in that perspective, COVID-19 is not worse than the flu.”
Yet.
Some conservative websites, Powerline for example, have consistently maintained that this is a media and Democrat exaggeration. Thoroughly discredited themselves.
Yeah no kidding. The Governors will keep this stay in place order and shut down non essential businesses indefinitely. They have no incentive and It is political suicide no matter what isle you come from.
My dear, this was a MONTH ago.
There is up-to-date figures
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1105061/coronavirus-deaths-by-region-in-italy/
“Wear full-face masks when out of doors or away from home.”
That statement should come with an asterisk- *”if you’re going to be near other people.” I live in an area with many big open spaces, and I am rarely within 100 feet of another human outdoors. It’s silly to wear a mask in those conditions, not to mention demeaning.
I do not put mine on until getting out of the car once I get to the store and park.
Thank you for your recent post Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
With respect to the specific advices, “Take Vitamin D3 daily. Be safe.”
I would add to take it easy on the D3 and, to especially be sure there is enough K2 intake. This is in my non expert opinion so far and including my regular student disclaimer to indicate i am not an expert at this time. There is nothing to lose because unlike D3, K2 is GRAS (generally regarded as safe) when i last inquired.
In general, the papers and sources i have perused all seem to indicate D3 can stimulate an increase in osteocalcin production. If there is not sufficient vitamin K2 to carboxylate the osteocalcin, then the osteocalcin ends up sticking to arteries and generally not doing anything for bone density, if not subtracting it is my understanding so far.
From: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5986531/
Published online 2018 May 22. doi: 10.3390/nu10050652
PMCID: PMC5986531
PMID: 29786640
Vitamin D in Vascular Calcification: A Double-Edged Sword?
Jeffrey Wang,1 Jimmy J. Zhou,1,2 Graham R. Robertson,3 and Vincent W. Lee1,*
“5.1. Hypervitaminosis D and VC
“Induction of calcification through hypervitaminosis with vitamin D has been demonstrated and well characterised in multiple animal models, including mice, rats, goats and pigs (see Table 1). Treatment of rats with sublethal doses (7.5 mg/kg) of vitamin D plus nicotine produces a lasting 10–40 fold increase in aortic calcium content, resulting in the calcification and destruction of medial elastic fibres, subsequently leading to arterial stiffness [84]. In goats and pigs, dietary supplementation of vitamin D promotes the development of aortic and coronary calcified lesions in association with elevated serum calcium and cholesterol levels [85,86]. Vitamin D induced calcification in mice is currently considered to be one of the more robust models of calcification, in which single doses of 500,000 IU/kg/day can produce severe aortic medial calcification after just 7 days following 3 consecutive days of initial treatment [87]”
In reply to Mike from Au,
Viamin D supplement is a super cheap way to reduce the number of covid cases.
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/perhaps-solve-the-other-pandemic-vitamin-d-deficiency-to-help-beat-coronavirus/
The maximum safe amount daily dosage of Vitamin D is 4000 IU/day. 500,000 IU/day is crazy and will kill you. Almost everything is dangerous if we take/eat/drink too much.
It is just like drinking too much water every day will also kill you. Water is not dangerous, but drinking too much water causes dangerously high blood pressure and a loss of electrolytes both of which kills.
Studies have shown that half the population, in the Northern Countries are ‘Vitamin D’ deficient and taking Vitamin D supplements reduces deaths from all diseases by 50%. It also reduces the incidence of flu by 40%.
Elderly people are almost all Vitamin D deficient. As when we get older our bodies become less effective in producing Vitamin D which used in more than 200 biochemical processes in the body.
Our bodies requirement to produce vitamin D in the sun is so important, Europeans evolved to have ‘white’ skin.
Increasing Vitamin D in the body to normal, has been shown to reduce the instances of breast cancer by roughly 70%.
Women’s group started a movement in the US to change that. It is just a waste of money to treat people for cancer when taking a Vitamin D supplement would make the problem go away.
In the US, because of pressure from Women’s groups the recommended daily Vitamin D intake was increased from 400 UI/day to 1000 UI/day. The women’s group think that amount is too low based on the research.
Based on medical research, the maximum daily amount is conservatively 4000 UI/day.
My ex-wife, who is a small person, takes 2000 UI/day on the advice of women’s health groups. My wife had breast cancer.
I’m not in a position to dispute anything here, but I have questions. It’s my understanding that occasionally a seasonal influenza can be quite severe, i.e. a higher death rate than the one before. I refer to this March 26 article in the New England Journal of Medicine by Dr. Fauci and others, wherein they state:
“If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.”
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387#.Xn0Zo8RXo10
Yes, I know Fauci’s credibility is under scrutiny and yes, I know almost everything in the article may be out of date by now. I don’t wish a “severe seasonal influenza” on anyone. So my question is, how do the current Wuhan flu numbers compare to a “severe” flu season?
P.S. I still have my “classic” leather motorcycle jacket similar to Monckton’s, but alas, my biking days are many years behind me so I did not keep my full-face helmet and gauntlets.
Currently the world is running at 6% mortality for known cases and the pandemic has not taken off in many countries yet.
We do not know whether it will, especially countries where Malaria is prevelent.
“Japan was expecting a coronavirus explosion. Where is it?
MAR 20, 2020
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Japan was one of the first countries outside of China hit by the coronavirus and now it’s one of the least-affected among developed nations. That’s puzzling health experts.
Unlike China’s draconian isolation measures, the mass quarantine in much of Europe and big U.S. cities ordering people to shelter in place, Japan has imposed no lockdown. While there have been disruptions caused by school closures, life continues as normal for much of the population. Tokyo rush-hour trains are still packed and restaurants remain open’
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/coronavirus-explosion-expected-japan/?fbclid=IwAR3k6up3CTrumG4HJX0tOkt7rttY-8iVxMsEof-6RIvydCz1TsInKylQHzw
“Countries without lockdowns and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea, Sweden and Belarus, have not yet experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. This speaks against the effectiveness of such extreme measures’
In Japan, nose/mouth mask wearing in public is commonplace and public areas are kept cleaner than in most other countries. Lockdowns are a very expensive alternative to these basic and effective habits.
or maybe they have not counted deaths from other diseases as corona deaths.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/coronavirus-explosion-expected-japan/?fbclid=IwAR3k6up3CTrumG4HJX0tOkt7rttY-8iVxMsEof-6RIvydCz1TsInKylQHzw
look at the date of your post,(3/10)
look at the current data:
https://covid19japan.com/
see the exponential growth?
Worldometer indicates Japanese deaths have dwindled in the last couple of days.
Well said but your criticism of skeptics sure sounds familiar.
Using the “no worse than flu”is like using there is “no such thing as climate change”.
IMO most everyone who has a major problem with the response to COVID is not based upon the measure of the virus. But rather the measure of the economic carnage from the response.
Like many I find the remedy grossly and recklessly disproportionate.
Governments have indeed recklessly made policy on the assumption that the lock downs are no more dangerous or destructive than some routine recessions.
They have neglected to anticipate the wide and deep destruction to business and millions pf people’s lives.
(30%+ unemployment) Almost to the point of being uninterested while being non responsive when queried.
At the same time suggesting the only alternative to their over reaction is non reaction.
There has been no definition of how harmful “over-reaction” can be and there is no such choice as “non-reacting”.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/coronavirus-covid19-global-academics-insights-pandemic/
‘Over-reacting is better than non-reacting’ – academics around the world share thoughts on coronavirus
Then there is the whopper of the lousy models that predicted a far bigger problem.
In the US they were at a million or so deaths and now predict 60,000?
So yes the COVID is worse than the common flu. But some flu years are quite tragic. As was 2017-2018.
How much worse is COVID?
Not as bad as the widespread shut down in my state and others. Not even close.
I’ll stick to my earlier assertion that the carnage from the shut downs is far worse than the model exaggerated COVID required.
More people would have died with less measures but it would have been much wiser.
Perhaps some people are just too insulated from the economic destruction to recognize it.
Excellent comment.
Exactly. And 60,000 US deaths won’t be reached this year since we’re already in the second week of April. Apparently they think this virus is so special that it simply won’t care about the increased heat, humidity, and increased immune functions.
Steve, I totally agree.
The economic problem has not been discussed and people do not understand how serious it is.
Not talking about a problem actually makes problems worse. As the ‘novel’ virus is not going away, we need to think out of the box. How the heck are we going to end isolation?
I do not see any sign in the US yet of critical thought kicking in.
Plus 100, a voice of reason, many thanks.
+100 very sensible comment.
CDC estimates 61,099 deaths for 2017-2018 (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm)
There is a strong possibility this virus is not seasonal. Until we get herd immunity through either infection or vaccination, I expect Covid-19 will be an issue for another two years. Assuming no new strains that we have no immunity for.
Maybe the lockdown order should have been only for persons over a certain age, say 50, or with co-morbitiies, at least initially.
Does this have a gain of function from SARS?
It will be interesting to seperate the data for hospitalization and advanced respiratory care from before and after rapid testing and treatments like HcQ were available.
Thank you Lord Monckton. Another illuminating missive.
Comment/Appeal to the following :
Anthony Watts, Christopher Monckton, David Middleton, Dr Roy Spencer, Eric Worrall, Willis Eschenbach, Rud Istvan and Steven Mosher.
You have all posted interesting, educational, thoughtful, informed, rational and useful articles about the Covid-19 Disease. Clearly there is some “dissension in the ranks” with respect to just about every facet of this event.
Anthony, I ask you as both the foundation of WUWT (and your current role as a Senior Fellow at the The Heartland Institute), would you consider a virtual (ie video) discussion panel involving as many of the above as possible? Pragmatically, I would guess that you can manage the technology resources to facilitate this kind of presentation and I assume you know all of the above people.
To the rest of you: I would beg of you to participate in such a discussion. The value to the WUWT community, and perhaps to yourselves would be high (in my optimistic viewpoint..:)). You all are participating in varying degrees in the world outside of WUWT, so are in a position to help influence the future path we are all on, like it or not.
Suggested format/purpose:
Duration:3 hours (long enough to be useful, short enough to be manageable)
Format: Moderated round robin (ie managed discussion)
Purpose/Subject:
1) What, if any, knowledge of the attributes of COVID-19 disease are nearly incontrovertible or at least of very high quality.
2) What are the most critical unknowns? and is/are there any near term paths to usefully answer any of them.
3) Building on 1) and 2) what paths are available in the next few months? This should be constrained to those that are actually possible (ie take into account the reality of large group human behavior as it exists, not as we would like it).
“Rules of engagement”:
-Egos are checked at the door (or at least a convincing rendering of such).
-Disagreements are opportunities to drill down to agreement (as close as reasonable for such a forum).
-Pontificating, ad hominem comments, etc, (the glorious list of human frailties that Lord Monckton eloquently mentions on occasion) are verboten as much as possible.
-Participants are asked to present their views as honestly and rationally as (humanly) possible.
-A mirror should be set in front of each participant.
Not knowing any of you, I humbly suggest “Charles the Moderator” as the Moderator.
The above should be viewed as a catalyst. I strongly suspect that a forum such as the above would be of great value to those interested in fomenting more useful, rational and coherent knowledge about Covid-19 Disease. Perhaps this could lead to a slightly better overall outcome.
If there is any way I , or any of us (WUWT lurkers) could help, please ask.
Respectfully
Ethan Brand
Using data that is not remotely reliable and compiled in very different ways is simply pointless. A simple example – people use UK announced deaths but daily deaths are very different numbers. The announced deaths each day can include deaths from weeks ago that have only just tested positive. So the shape of the graph is actually quite different – it underestimates older deaths and overestimates recent deaths.
Unreliable data leads to unreliable conclusions.
I agree. There is very little reliable data at all at this point. Note Prof. Ioannidis’ comments in this regard.
Which is why I am only going by Total Mortality. This means I will be behind the times – but I will not be misled…
In the past three years, some 46% of viral-pneumonia cases were female and 54% male. With the Chinese virus, however, only 27% are female and 63% are male.
There has been a recent discussion that the Wuhan Chinese COVID-19 virus is racist, as the numbers of African-Americans seems quite disproportional.
Now, we are also saying that the Wuhan Chinese COVID-19 virus is sexist.
Clearly Wuhan Chinese COVID-19 virus adheres to identity politics, that makes it leftist. 😉
27+63=9. Are the remaining 10 a third gender?
I think Lord Monckton has given us some insight into that.
He reports that diabesity appears to be a significant co-morbidity in Covid-19 cases.
Black people do tend to have a significantly-higher risk of diabesity – I believe in particular black males. It is speculated that (ex-)Africans have had perhaps half a millennium exposed to the carbohydrate-laden Caucasian diet, whereas Caucasians have had several millennia to adapt genetically. Ergo, it is being obese and/or diabetic as opposed to being black-skinned which is the problem. Many Africans living on a more traditional diet have remarkably low instances of ‘modern’ diseases.
Perhaps in his closing remarks, Lord Monckton should have included changing diet as well as recommending vitamin D. I know he has mentioned his own success in that regard in a previous missive. Whilst not an instant prophylactic, it’s a step in the right direction.
“the numbers of African-Americans seems quite disproportional.”
Commenters on the JoNova site speculated that blacks get less vitamin D from the sunlight in the temperate regions, because their darker skin blocks it from getting through.
When I researched my own vitamin D deficiency over a decade ago, the most recent study had discovered that 78% of those who are of African descent were vitamin D deficient.
Covid-19 wreaks havoc on the body. People who have recovered look 10 years older than they actually are. Recovery must take a long time.
There are some front line doctors and now I see a report or two that the type of ventilator treatments being used on Covid-19 patients may be making things worse rather than better.
Virologists, immunologists, and doctors on COVID-19 with plenty of links to studies, opinions, etc.:
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
Top to bottom.
In reply to:
” This disease is a lot worse than flu. It puts more people into intensive care, where they require costlier and more advanced treatment, where they will be in intensive care for twice the time required by other viral pneumonia-patients, and where they are more than twice as likely to die as those other patients.”
… and it is much more contagious than the flu as the crafty virus first attacks the throat and then moves to lungs.
Yep, no doubt about it.
This ‘novel’ virus is not the flu and it is deadly in a monsterous way that ties up our healthcare system. The virus has spread to every country in the world.
In poor countries there is almost no healthcare system and isolation does not work, as people live on their daily work. The sell their products in markets and then use that money to live on. Their governments cannot pay them if they isolate.
Regardless, isolation does not make the ‘novel’ virus go away. This is the new norm until the US has some technical breakthroughs.
As we are concerned about deaths.
The ‘novel’ virus is going to kill more people by its effect on the world economy. Poverty kills in multiple ways.
This shutdown is analogous to a large fire that is burning and spreading in a city. It is causing permanent damage which will take years to repair. Oddly enough, no one has shouted fire, fire, fire….
…because we are focused on the first wave of deaths.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52211206
“By the time the pandemic is over half of the world’s population of 7.8 billion people could be living in poverty. About 40% of the new poor could be concentrated in East Asia and the Pacific, with about one third in both Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia.”
A further fallacy in the “no worse than the flu” argument is when it compares death rates , while neglectine to note that COVID19 is three times more contagious than the flu. Except for the Spanish flu of 1917-1920, the seasonal flu death count very rarely exceeds 40-50,000, and that is with NO mitigating behavior. e are going to easily surpass that even with out stay at home locked down society.
The biggest blunder was early on when it was not understood that hose who were spreading the virus in the environment the most, were those who had little ofr no symptoms of the disease – face masks or coverings should have been required from day one. They are still not required, which seems insane to me.
The daily graph is essentially unreadable.
A link to the PowerPoint slide (as was provided in the previous Lord M post) would be helpful.
I love how the catastrophic thinkers phrase this: 5 to 10 times more deadly than the flu!
Well, yeah. Maybe.
But the other way of thinking about this is that your risk of NOT dying decreases from 99.9% for the flu to maybe 99.5% for coronavirus.
Small numbers don’t require much increase to result in huge percentages, e.g., I have $1. I get $1 more. That’s a 100% increase. Wow. I’m rich! Cf. to: I have $10,000. I get $1000 more. Gee, whiz. That’s only 10% more. Gosh darn it!
Health and safety are values, sure. Just ask Maslow. But they are not the only values in the world. None of the risks present so far justify abrogating freedom and individual rights. Actions of our government have no constitutional basis. The Constitution doesn’t say we have a right to assembly…except in times various governments decide — by fiat — to suspend them for reasons they and they alone deem sufficient.
Let free people decide for themselves how much risk they are or are not willing tolerate.