UK: New "Beast from the East" could cause one of the coldest winters in three decades

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George Martin  Yahoo News UKSeptember 8, 2019

The Beast from the East brought vast amounts of snowfall last year. (PA)
The Beast from the East brought vast amounts of snowfall last year. (PA)

The UK could be set to experience one of the coldest winters in three decades, scientists have warned.

Meteorologists say an even more extreme version of the “Beast from the East” could see parts of the country hit with blizzard-like conditions throughout much of January and February next year.

Using ground-breaking analysis of sea temperatures and air pressures, scientists have been able to predict one of the longest-range UK weather forecasts ever recorded – according to The Sunday Times.

Mark Saunders, professor of climate prediction at University College London (UCL), said: “This would rank the 2020 January-February central England temperature as the coldest winter since 2013.”

Scientists believe this winter could be among the coldest the UK has experienced in the last 30 years. (PA)
Scientists believe this winter could be among the coldest the UK has experienced in the last 30 years. (PA)

“It would also rank January-February 2020 as the seventh coldest winter in the past 30 years.”

“There is a 57% chance the central England temperature will be colder than in 2018, thus making it the coldest January-February since 2013,” he added.

The scientists believe that the jet stream, the high-altitude wind that pushes weather systems across the Atlantic to Britain, will be diverted to hit Britain over the winter.

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SimonfromAshby
September 9, 2019 8:43 am

My Hollie tree is full of Berries – harsh winter on the way!

Loydo
Reply to  SimonfromAshby
September 9, 2019 11:55 pm

They wont grow where I live. Got any predictions about my next winter?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
September 10, 2019 4:18 am

So you tried to grow something that would not grow where you live? Sounds like an exercise in futility.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 9, 2019 9:04 am

Didn’t the Met office predict the dinosaurs would be unaffected by the KT impactor or am I just going by their usual track record?

If we do have a severe winter of the type their Ouija board says, I look forward to the sight of all those heavily subsidised electric cars being abandoned along the motorways. Reality bites…

…my holly bushes have no berries at all this year, unusual. It’s a mystery but it all turns out well in the end apparently.

dmacleo
September 9, 2019 9:07 am

did I read the linked, and subsequent links, correclty that the beast from the east was (in the areas in article) -10c to -15c ?
IOW approx 5 to 15 deg F.
crap….thats a good morning for me in winter.

Reply to  dmacleo
September 9, 2019 12:42 pm

dmacleo,
You are doubtless right, where you live.
I expect you get snow most winters.

But here, any snow – any visible snow at all – south of London, will inevitably catch Southern Railways completely off guard – despite several months’ notice, and winter coming round annually, as it does, every twelve months or so.
Trains will stop – as points will freeze; and a belated, non-heartfelt, apology will, eventually, be made to the poor dumb commuters. {I was one until retirement!}

Auto

September 9, 2019 9:26 am

Most very cold January’s in the UK are on an easterly QBO phase, there’s a chance it could go easterly by then. But looking at the new warm blob growing in the northeast Pacific, that could help drive any cold deeper into the northeast US and then give a stormy mild and wet flow to the UK like in Jan-Feb 2014.

Joel Snider
September 9, 2019 9:30 am

So we have a ‘climate change’ – or ‘climate disruption’ – winter. Not Global Warming.

But I’ll bet you can still solve it by taxing targeted businesses, foods, and power sources.

Wil
September 9, 2019 9:32 am

Those British kids are going to have a hard time not knowing what snow is if it keeps snowing.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  Wil
September 9, 2019 9:39 am

I’m more worried about them not knowing what electricity was if these green fools have their way.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 9, 2019 10:31 am

Thread winner!

Well done, MCEA.

James francisco
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 10, 2019 12:14 pm

Sounds like a fine book title. Our children won’t know what electricity is.

September 9, 2019 9:47 am

“It would also rank January-February 2020 as the seventh coldest winter in the past 30 years.”

“There is a 57% chance the central England temperature will be colder than in 2018, thus making it the coldest January-February since 2013,” he added.

How would any of this be remarkable? Seventh coldest in the past thirty years? Big deal. A 57% chance of being colder than two years ago (near even odds, too)? Again, so what. This is yet another giant nothingburger. Here in Colorado we just had the seemingly endless winter followed by a hot summer and another very warm September. Just like last year. I predict a 57% chance of a repeat of the previous season in the Western US, but the focus is always on the East Coast so no one cares anyway…

Bruce Cobb
September 9, 2019 9:49 am

Though you might want to, it probably wouldn’t be a good idea to refer to your mother-in-law as “the beast from the east”.

Walt D.
September 9, 2019 9:51 am

“There is a 57% chance ”
Senator Iselin in the Manchurian Candidate and the Heinz Ketchup Bottle.



ResourceGuy
September 9, 2019 10:02 am

Out of an abundance of caution I would suggest closure of the last coal power plants before winter. We need large scale laboratories for climate studies and HG Wells outcomes on societies.

tim maguire
September 9, 2019 10:10 am

Headline: UK: New “Beast from the East” could cause one of the coldest winters in three decades

Details: “This would rank the 2020 January-February central England temperature as the coldest winter since 2013.” “It would also rank January-February 2020 as the seventh coldest winter in the past 30 years.”

Good to see the hysteria machine isn’t taking the day off.

In North America, we had a long winter and a mild summer so I’m not really down with a cold winter. The UK can keep it.

September 9, 2019 10:12 am

It is interesting that the impossible was widely published.

Fanakapan
September 9, 2019 10:16 am

coldest since 2013 ? Bahhh. Something like 47 or 63 would be needed to induce a squirm factor amongst the doomsayers 🙂

rah
Reply to  Fanakapan
September 9, 2019 10:37 am

Probably more like the LIA!

September 9, 2019 10:25 am

Theresa May has sought to cement some legacy in the weeks before she steps down as prime minister by enshrining in law a commitment to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050, making Britain the first major economy to do so.
[The Grauniad]

The UK is now the official climate policies laboratory of the world since Australia pulled a 180°. Let’s see how harsh winters affect that decision, particularly when the lights go out as it happened in the UK train system recently. Show us the way, perfidious Albion!

ResourceGuy
September 9, 2019 10:31 am

Professor of Climate Prediction

Is this more British comedy?

rah
September 9, 2019 10:35 am

Calling Dr. Viner. Calling Dr. David “Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” Viner!!!

September 9, 2019 11:08 am

Climate change headlines have been written before the event for some time now, just so that the message gets implanted before the reality, which my be quite different and not quite so alarming. Sometimes not alarming at all.

But this is going a lot further. Probably one more message that needs to be implanted in the public mind before that UN climate summit and COP25.

But really – the coldest winter since 2013? Is that supposed to worry anyone? Doesn’t anybody remember 1963?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHbJ5GR1KuA

And 1947 was said to have been worse.

And as for “the seventh coldest winter in the past 30 years”, is that supposed to worry anyone?

Rhys Jaggar
Reply to  Smart Rock
September 9, 2019 1:37 pm

1947 was snowier, later. The snow started in early Feb and continued incessantly until floods started in the second week of March.

1962/3 was colder, starting around Christmas and continuing until late Feb.

They were both epic winters, but very different in nature.

Stephen Richards
September 9, 2019 11:28 am

This sort of unmitigated BS just discredits everyone associated with.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Stephen Richards
September 9, 2019 12:31 pm

+100

sonofametman
September 9, 2019 12:31 pm

Basic ‘news’ manufacturing.
The ‘beast from the east’ has a nice ring to it.
Picture of car in snow.
Article that seems to say something dramatic, but actually says naff all.
Wind up the ‘climate’ frenzy again in case anyone forgets that we’re all supposed to doomed.
Get more grant money.
Sell advertising space.
Rinse and repeat…..

john cooknell
September 9, 2019 12:34 pm

Its a long term seasonal forecast, I have yet to see one that is correct.

The UK climate is influenced by Latitude, geography and the North Atalantic Jet stream. The first two are fixed and nobody has any idea how the jetstream works.

TRM
September 9, 2019 12:35 pm

What is Dr Piers Corbyn’s forecast?

Reply to  TRM
September 9, 2019 1:51 pm

£110 for 5 months ahead.

TRM
Reply to  Ulric Lyons
September 9, 2019 3:19 pm

I’m not that curious 🙂

His past calls have been way better than the gov ones.

colin
September 9, 2019 12:53 pm

did you folks notice that blizzard was so bad people were driving on the wrong side of the road… scary

Rod Evans
September 9, 2019 12:58 pm

Over the decades of UK long range weather forecasting that I have experienced, I can say without any hint of doubt, the Met Office and the media disseminating the Met’s long range forecast are more often wrong than right.
They simply do not know what is coming our way. The only certainty is we will experience some cooler weather than in the summer. Beyond that they have no reliable system of prediction.
I am waiting for Piers Corbyn’s long range forecast because he at least couches the prediction with caution and some uncertainty.
There is one fact I can be certain of. We are less able to sustain energy supply now than we were back in the 1960s. We no longer have coal fires, no longer have coal fired electricity plants, we no longer have fuel garages in every village each one holding emergency stocks. The just in time food supply and general goods into our supermarkets are not as robust as the previous small stores and corner shops plus farm supplies that existed in past times.
I hope for everyone’s sake we do not have severe protracted winter weather, because we are just not set up to cope with it.
Many thousands of people will die.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Rod Evans
September 9, 2019 10:47 pm

I recall those times. I also recall weather forecasts are now more severe ever since Micheal Fish in 1987 made little of the storm that was on it’s way. I recall having a coal bunker, fire and deliveries. I also recall town gas being replaced with natural gas, I also recall power worker strikes having to resort to paraffin lamps and heaters.

No-one was worried about climate change back then.

StephenP
September 9, 2019 1:07 pm

At the moment we are getting 6% of our electricity from wind. With a high pressure system and no sun to speak of, where’s that coal plant when you need it? Maybe we will have to fell a few more thousand acres of trees in the US, dry the chipped wood, ship it over and burn it in Drax. That still wouldn’t make up the shortfall.
Roll on the power cuts, or start up the backup diesels. It’s about time they earned their keep.

Rhys Jaggar
September 9, 2019 1:29 pm

What is the track record of Professor Saunders in predictions 4 months out?

He should not be headline news if he has not got an excellent track record, because if he has been at rhe forefront of oredictions ahead of Piers Corbyn, I am singularly unaware of it.