Climate change protesters admit using a diesel generator to power their stage

From The Manchester Evening News.

The environmental activists say it feels ‘hypocritical’ but it would have used more energy to transport a solar generator from London

By Alice CachiaJournalist

  • 13:51, 1 SEP 2019
  • Updated 22:58, 1 SEP 2019

Organisers told the Manchester Evening News they felt like hypocrites but had been forced to use the generator because it would have been too expensive to get a solar panel made

A diesel-powered generator is being used to run the music stage at the Extinction Rebellion protests on Deansgate.

Organisers told the Manchester Evening News they felt “like hypocrites” but had been “forced” to use the generator because it would have been too expensive to get a solar panel made.

The protest – which has brought one of Manchester’s busiest shopping streets to a standstill to highlight the threat of climate change – is on its third day.

Graham Buss, 63, said: “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000.

“That’s money we simply don’t have.

“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.

“It’s something we really do regret having to use and we feel like hypocrites, but this is the point.

“We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels for these sorts of events and we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.

Full article here.

HT/Rickie K and Willie Soon

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115 thoughts on “Climate change protesters admit using a diesel generator to power their stage

  1. Sorta like all of those bird choppers and solar panels across the country also requiring 100% backup. Why do you suppose that is?

    • Why don’t these people recognize their own argument?

      They’re saying the same thing we’ve been saying .. solar is too expensive, unreliable, & requires fossil fuels for backup.

      If it’s too expensive for their little booth, it’s too expensive for my family .. my town, my state, my country.

  2. What about using acoustic music, a cone formed funnel as megaphone, just as one did in the good old days?
    The did not seem to have learned the lesson, still. Solar too expensive and needs backup from fossil fuel, hydro or nuclear.
    Are the with so low IQ that they cannot see this after this self inflicted event?
    If the cannot find a “green” way around it, don’t do it!
    The devil died in absent of bad excuses, or whatever it is called.

    • What ’bout drinking sodas from thick, well-worn glass bottles?
      And beer?
      And milk in thick glass bottles in the 1 or 2 liter, quarter or half gallon size?
      And foil, made of tin. And washed, and reused dozens of times?
      And meat, wrapped in pink butcher’s paper, not in glassine wrapped foam board?
      And sugar, in nice little cubes, not individually wrapped?
      And 5 or 7 ring binders … with lined paper to fit, not “spiral” books, often tossed before used up?
      And cloth napkins at restaurants…, even diners
      And those kind-of-cool-and-retro infinite cloth towel loop dispensers in rest rooms?
      And bi-frickin’-cycles! That kids would use ’til the tires went bald!?

      Days gone.
      When ordinary paper tickets were “good enough” for the carnival.
      When cashiers knew how to “properly” count change back into your hand.

      It wasn’t all glory, granted. Incandescent bulbs that were only 5% to 7% efficient. Naturally aspirated ‘carburetors’ on cars that were perpetually admixing the wrong portions of petrol to sucked in air. Manual typewriters. Electric ones. 40 pound adding machines. Blue chip and green chip stamps. Not-sealed deli meats. Coin operated public phones. Hundred kilo fuzzy televisions. The Era before perspiration deodorants. The era before any kind of safety razor. Before antibiotics, ibuprofen and laughing gas.

      But still…
      Just saying,
      GoatGuy ✓

      • These things were my first thoughts…. why on earth do they think electric power is essential? They are seriously lacking in imagination if they have never tried to understand how things were done not-so-long-ago?

        Do these children not know that outdoor sporting events were all held during daytime hours, because there were no lights on the fields? Do they have no comprehension of non-electric amplification?

        They shame themselves when they are all talk and no serious commitment.

  3. “Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.
    “It’s something we really do regret having to use and we feel like hypocrites, but this is the point.”
    “We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels for these sorts of events and we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.

    They feel forced to use a diesel gen as backup because it is reliable. These people are unable to think clearly and blame others for their bad choices and incompetence.

    • We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels

      The Earth system is inimical to utopian beliefs and practices.

      • Yes, it’s a system called the Physical World. They should learn to embrace it because it doesn’t care what they “feel”.

        • I am sure “the system” is supposed to represent fossil fuel interests, evil corporations, and bought politicians.

        • Its the free market system and it works better than any other system imagined. If these dipsticks get their way the would be forced to cancel their protest because socialism. Not because it would force the use of solar panels but because It doesn’t permit protests.

    • “…we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.”

      Yes, by reality. It’s the biggest force there is.

      • In reality, they aren’t very smart. They could have gotten a couple of stationary bikes and hooked those up to power the generator. But that would be work, wouldn’t it? And they’re too lamebrained and lazy to do something so obviously simple and so beneficial to the environment.

        On the other hand, it’s likely that not one of them would have lasted more than 15 minutes max on a bike hooked up to a generator.

        Just sayin’….

  4. Graham Buss, 63, said: “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000″

    But you expect the rest of us to pay to have the things provide our extortionately expensive electricity?

    Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.”

    Now you’re getting the idea dickhead! Try thing about that on a local, national then global scale. How many diesel genny’s will be running around the world when you achieve your green utopia.

    How thick are these people?!!!!

  5. Just more Gulliver Yahoos that have realized that Solar is far too expensive to supply power and hypocrites for demanding others take the more costly route when they won’t.

  6. “Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had (?) a diesel-powered generator as a back up.” Says it all, really. With tortured grammar. But it looks as if they might eventually realise that solar has its drawbacks.

  7. Talk about ‘you couldn’t make this stuff up’. You just gotta be so pucked-in-the-head to do something like this and not realize what a total idiot you are. Not sunk in yet that what’s ‘forcing’ them to do this is….r-e-a-l-i-t-y.

    • Too true. They have encapsulated the entire situation for grid-scale solar via their experience. Why do they think that making it larger somehow changes the fundamentals?

  8. What complete nonsense, could not the protesters done a deal with the businesses 10 yards away, 8 grand for a solar panel, the stage is the size of two market stalls not Wembley arena,the generator is 3-5 kva max a few amps and lights are not even going to max it out,a 3kva solar panel kit including batts inverter and 6 panels cost a shy over 4000 notes on flea bay, the disadvantages to the solar option is and not what there admitting too, a lot of kit dependent upon the batteries being charged,its half the price the protesters spokes person claims and they would need a good size van to move it around, and just were were they going to set up SPs in a confined street and be constantly shifting them to follow the sun,in this scenario the solar option was simply not suitable, not as they claim cost, in a field maybe,what would they have done without desiel

    • They’d need about 15sq metres of sun facing surface area and a rigid stucture to mount it, and some sun. None of which are practical in that location.

  9. “Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.”

    Greenies, it just keeps getting better.

  10. “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000.

    So these buffoons are eager to force that exact kind of economics on the public at large, but they’re so special that they’ll use the economical power which they wish denied their fellow citizens.

  11. Exactly. Per unit acre, per unit energy input, per unit productive output, and other observable, reproducible metrics, conventional systems beat Green system performance. So, the rationalization of the latter is limited to social constructs, liberal inference, and clean, renewable redistributive change schemes.

  12. Why do they need a “music stage”?
    I saw / heard Paul Robeson at The Usher Hall in Edinburgh and he didn’t use a microphone.

    • Paul Robeson–live–wow.
      At the other side of entertainment you would recall Gracie Fields, George Formby, Vera Lynne and Harry Lauder.
      Long time ago.

  13. There, that’s i, he said it…

    “Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.”

    That is the most perceptive comment I ever heard from one of these ER extremists. Because most of their statements are pure nonsense.

  14. It’s not merely hypocritical, but sanctimoniously hypocritical or bigoted. A selective, opportunistic quasi-religious code (“ethics”) is a certain choice to destroy your viability. Repent, sequester, and emit no more.

  15. The whole CAGW cabal, Extinction Rebellion included, isn’t about facts anyway, it’s about feelings. The feeling that old white guys are driving SUV’s around, poisoning the atmosphere, fits their belief system. Their view is socialism, equal results (not equal opportunity anymore because that didn’t work out), and it takes a village to raise an idiot (or something like that?).

  16. “We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels …”

    Yah, the Solar System! I suppose solar would work a lot better if Earth was tidally locked with the sun. It may be uncomfortably hot though…

    • You don’t get it – they were “forced” to have a music stage, and that means they were “forced” to use a genset. It’s not their fault, you see. Anyway, it’s the intent that counts. /sarc (for the sarc impaired)

    • That’s the message that somehow isn’t getting through the cobwebs or whatever they have between the ears.

      If you guys have your way then none of us, you included, is going to have a music stage or any other piece of kit that needs a reliable electricity supply. Ever. And that, as the saying goes, is not a glitch, it’s a feature. Of the lifestyle that you are demanding and making people’s lives a misery to bring about. What are you going to do with your lives if you win??

      • That’s one other thing they fail to realize. We aren’t the only ones who will be affected by their stupid plans, they will be affected too. Its a no-win situation. In the end, we ALL lose. I still don’t understand why this hasn’t clicked to them yet.

  17. PERFECT example of GREEN Hypocrisy – OH! this is delicious! Let us beat them over the heads with this forever more.

  18. So they feel like hypocrites because they have to use reliable fossil fuel energy supply for their stage. It begs the question did they feel like hypocrites when they were travelling up to Manchester by car or diesel train, or electric trains powered predominantly by fossil fuel/nuclear power.
    Maybe they felt like hypocrites when they realised the plastic they want to ban, forms the insulation round all of their electric cables, not to mention the materials they used to construct their platform.
    Perhaps they should consider renaming themselves Hypo-Greens in deference to their newly discovered status.
    The rest of us will continue being just, realists.

  19. It also looks mighty cloudy and cool there as well with rapidly decreasing solar insolation on a daily basis happening now in the northern hemisphere. No sure a solar how big of a solar panel they would have needed to power their pathetic protest with pseudo scientific gobbly guk.

  20. How I would love to see these cretins forced to actually walk the line they demand everyone else must! If they were forced to practice what they preach we would be better off because there would be far fewer of them.

  21. Incredible, first their leader “prayed” after taking psychedelic drugs, and now they need diesel Lol… they could have found a petrol generator and saved people the nasty stink of diesel…. We need to ask them how they get to work? Or how do they get to the shops etc etc.. Are their houses all run on solar, do they have gas boilers? And last but not least, are they all vegan? As we know the animals fart are killing the planet more then all the exhaust fumes combined (cow conspiracy website – facts section)….

  22. “We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels for these sorts of events and we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.”

    Yeah… a system that may contain darkness after sunset. Posing a very unique problem for these sorts of events.

  23. “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000.
    “That’s money we simply don’t have.”

    For these folks pushing an agenda that will make my energy less reliable and costs higher, I, an older retiree on a fixed income, have one thing to say — That’s money I simply don’t have.

  24. These people can’t see that solar is expensive and needs backup.

    The irony-impairment and lack of self-awareness burns!

  25. This is precisely the point. If you want to go green, you have to give up the luxury of fossil fuel, among many other things.

  26. Well, apparently, they didn’t spend the money Soros gave them wisely. The “others will pay our way” theme will be good for only so long. 😛

  27. So we have four examples in a week. Obama buys oceanfront. Diesel powered eco-activism. 4000 fly to Salt Lake City. And of course virtue signal Greta and her jet travel enabled sailing crossing. Clearly WUWT needs to hold a contest and give out annual awards. Here are our four front runners.

    • Not to mention the ‘evil fossil fueled ‘ tug that was needed to get her boat into and out of port for those racing yachts are rubbish at going slow so either need to use their engines , which are required to have , or get a tow .
      And still no news on how she is getting back !

      • apaert from an aussie media item on her saying her autism is a superpower and how the climate panic stunt gives her a reason to eat and talk…shes been remarkably silent
        thank a deity

    • I vote for Obama on the beachfront since it is a lasting example of a con job while the others are notable short-term travesty events for virtue signaling.

      I’m coming around to the notion that a human lifetime is one big marketing stage for millions of ad hits and experiments for fun and profit by the promoters. It’s the Matrix but with ads and messaging in the machine world of spin.

    • And the incredible carbon footprint of the boat, meaning that Greta’s trip cost at least 6 TCO2e. This is dominated by the upfront carbon cost of the boat, and does not include the flights.

  28. So the solar would have cost 8,000 pounds sounds like a lot of money, especially if it’s your own money. In the United States we have Home Depot, a large home improvement store chain, that sells a 6K watt gasoline generator for $549 US or 455 pounds British. A reliable 6K watts for use day or night. I’m sure we all thank the Manchester environmental activists for so clearly demonstrating the costs and limitations of renewable energy and the devastating effects their pet cause would have on humanity.

  29. Its noticeable they not had the type of supportive ‘free press ‘ they got in London for this event , and of course without the ability for others to see how virtuous you are there is simply no point in being so in the first place.
    Want to kill these protest , switch of the Wifi in the are and do give them any press coverage .

  30. Interesting sign on the side of their stage, “No-one left behind!”.. clearly, basic education left them all behind.

  31. Having good intentions is not enough. Your good intentions have to match up with reality — otherwise you’re in danger of doing more harm than good.

  32. The “system” is making it incredibly difficult for them to use solar panels. They just don’t get it. They are not blaming the technology but rather the “system”. I am sure they think if the “system” was the Green New Deal, then their pathetic little booth could be powered by solar cells. You can’t fix stupid.

  33. That could easily pass for a snake oil salesman stage in an earlier era or a magic act with slight of hand.

  34. Why didn’t they just ask Al Gore, Elon Musk or any other solar panel crusader for the money? I am sure they would have gladly pitched in with their own.

  35. “Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.” Precisely!

  36. So what did the people think who saw the stage act? Having that generator humming and lights glaring, i wonder what was said from the stage?

  37. “We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels”

    It wasn’t the system that made solar panels difficult to use, it was basic physics.

  38. When anyone else complains about how expensive solar power is, we are told that this is the price we must pay in order to save the world.
    By there own logic, being expensive or inconvenient should never be an excuse for not using solar.

    That’s the real hypocrisy. They are using an excuse for themselves, that they reject for everyone else.

  39. It was illegal to use in a public space and they should be arrested, fined, have points against their license and have it confiscated.

    You cannot use diesel equipment that doesn’t meet/exceed Tier 4 for any reason in that location.

  40. I have a really, really great idea. Bear with me.

    They want us all to live in a world without modern stuff like electricity, clean, potable running water, medicines that work. massive food sources within reach of most people, heat in the winter and (if needed) cooling in the summer, clean clothing, rapid response emergency services, rapid transportation on paved roads – you get the drift.

    My REALLY REALLY GREAT IDEA is this: these bozos get themselves together as a group. They get to spend a 13-month period, with no breaks and no way out, living the way they want us to live. They’ll get a start-up package of tools, seeds, and one instruction book on how to do everything. There is a survival guide like that available. And no TV show about it, either. They are isolated from the modern world.

    They can set the example for the rest of us. Any of them who survive this more “natural” way of life will get a nod from us for being clever enough to set the example, but we’ll go on about our business afterwards, while they write books nobody buys.

    Since there are plenty of examples of people native to their own areas, e.g., Borneo, Tiber, Kalahari (Bushmen), Old Order Amish, I see no issues with it.

    Anyone else have a better idea?

    • A better idea?

      Ummm… your idea, but also supergluing them to the ‘natural’ spot so they don’t try and bunk off the moment our backs are turned.

    • I believe something like that was tried a while ago. It was called Biosphere 2 just NE of Tucson, AZ. Didn’t work. People couldn’t get along. But you can tour it for about $17.

  41. The woman who founded Extinction Rebellion is involved and what is on the sign on the front of the stage? Drug and alcohol free zone message? Diesel on the other hand…

  42. I am bemused at what HSS Hire – the company that seems to have provided the rented unit – actually thinks about all this.

    Imagine the ads…

    “We’re HSS Hire, preferred suppliers of fossil fuel powered portable CO2 emitters of Extinction Rebellion. Remember HSS Hire when you absolutely need reliable power in your Renewable Utopia. Ring now and obtain a free tube of superglue with every rental. Terms and Conditions apply.”

  43. “ they felt “like hypocrites” but had been “forced” to use the generator because it would have been too expensive to get a solar panel made.

    Except that nobody is forcing them to hold their disruptive rally. If they were not hypocrites, they would only hold rallies in accordance with their arguments.

  44. What makes it worse is for their summer protests they did have Solar panels, but they then sold them off shortly after. They were listed on bimblesolar which is a solar panel clearing site, pity I did not take a screen shot.

  45. Was the protest going to continue during the night, DUHHHH!!!!!, and did they finally twig to the fact that solar power only operates if there is enough sunlight. I have had a greenie tell me her house is powered by solar, not unless you have batteries to store the solar energy for night time usage, she looked at me blankly, brain dead, what in god’s name did she really think that her solar worked at night, I believe she did she was soooo brainwashed, because it appeared she did not have a battery system for night time usage, it hadn’t occurred to her that turning on the lights and running the cooktop came from that dirty nasty black stuff here in Australia, at one hell of a price.

  46. Presumably these muppets had all the required legal boxes ticked? Council permission? Rent for the space? Health and Safety? Police presence paid for? You know, the same rules everyone else has to follow. Also, I take it the businesses affected will get a proportionate reduction in rates?

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