From The Manchester Evening News.
The environmental activists say it feels ‘hypocritical’ but it would have used more energy to transport a solar generator from London
By Alice CachiaJournalist
- 13:51, 1 SEP 2019
- Updated 22:58, 1 SEP 2019
Organisers told the Manchester Evening News they felt like hypocrites but had been forced to use the generator because it would have been too expensive to get a solar panel made
A diesel-powered generator is being used to run the music stage at the Extinction Rebellion protests on Deansgate.
Organisers told the Manchester Evening News they felt “like hypocrites” but had been “forced” to use the generator because it would have been too expensive to get a solar panel made.
The protest – which has brought one of Manchester’s busiest shopping streets to a standstill to highlight the threat of climate change – is on its third day.
Graham Buss, 63, said: “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000.
“That’s money we simply don’t have.
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.
“It’s something we really do regret having to use and we feel like hypocrites, but this is the point.
“We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels for these sorts of events and we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.
HT/Rickie K and Willie Soon
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Sorta like all of those bird choppers and solar panels across the country also requiring 100% backup. Why do you suppose that is?
Why don’t these people recognize their own argument?
They’re saying the same thing we’ve been saying .. solar is too expensive, unreliable, & requires fossil fuels for backup.
If it’s too expensive for their little booth, it’s too expensive for my family .. my town, my state, my country.
These people are their own parody.
I think the unfair system they’re referring to is the solar system.
They are front page fodder for the Onion.
Expensive and unreliable Solar Panels for thee but not for me.
What about using acoustic music, a cone formed funnel as megaphone, just as one did in the good old days?
The did not seem to have learned the lesson, still. Solar too expensive and needs backup from fossil fuel, hydro or nuclear.
Are the with so low IQ that they cannot see this after this self inflicted event?
If the cannot find a “green” way around it, don’t do it!
The devil died in absent of bad excuses, or whatever it is called.
What ’bout drinking sodas from thick, well-worn glass bottles?
And beer?
And milk in thick glass bottles in the 1 or 2 liter, quarter or half gallon size?
And foil, made of tin. And washed, and reused dozens of times?
And meat, wrapped in pink butcher’s paper, not in glassine wrapped foam board?
And sugar, in nice little cubes, not individually wrapped?
And 5 or 7 ring binders … with lined paper to fit, not “spiral” books, often tossed before used up?
And cloth napkins at restaurants…, even diners
And those kind-of-cool-and-retro infinite cloth towel loop dispensers in rest rooms?
And bi-frickin’-cycles! That kids would use ’til the tires went bald!?
Days gone.
When ordinary paper tickets were “good enough” for the carnival.
When cashiers knew how to “properly” count change back into your hand.
It wasn’t all glory, granted. Incandescent bulbs that were only 5% to 7% efficient. Naturally aspirated ‘carburetors’ on cars that were perpetually admixing the wrong portions of petrol to sucked in air. Manual typewriters. Electric ones. 40 pound adding machines. Blue chip and green chip stamps. Not-sealed deli meats. Coin operated public phones. Hundred kilo fuzzy televisions. The Era before perspiration deodorants. The era before any kind of safety razor. Before antibiotics, ibuprofen and laughing gas.
But still…
Just saying,
GoatGuy ✓
Not to forget self-harvested moss instead of toilet paper…..
Corncobs from your garden’s bounty.
The crowds aren’t big enough to need amplifiers anyway.
These things were my first thoughts…. why on earth do they think electric power is essential? They are seriously lacking in imagination if they have never tried to understand how things were done not-so-long-ago?
Do these children not know that outdoor sporting events were all held during daytime hours, because there were no lights on the fields? Do they have no comprehension of non-electric amplification?
They shame themselves when they are all talk and no serious commitment.
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.
“It’s something we really do regret having to use and we feel like hypocrites, but this is the point.”
“We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels for these sorts of events and we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.
They feel forced to use a diesel gen as backup because it is reliable. These people are unable to think clearly and blame others for their bad choices and incompetence.
We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels
The Earth system is inimical to utopian beliefs and practices.
Yes, it’s a system called the Physical World. They should learn to embrace it because it doesn’t care what they “feel”.
No Lives Matter!
(the universe doesn’t give a damn about you, get over it!)
I am sure “the system” is supposed to represent fossil fuel interests, evil corporations, and bought politicians.
Its the free market system and it works better than any other system imagined. If these dipsticks get their way the would be forced to cancel their protest because socialism. Not because it would force the use of solar panels but because It doesn’t permit protests.
“…we feel like we’ve been forced to have to use the diesel generator.”
Yes, by reality. It’s the biggest force there is.
In reality, they aren’t very smart. They could have gotten a couple of stationary bikes and hooked those up to power the generator. But that would be work, wouldn’t it? And they’re too lamebrained and lazy to do something so obviously simple and so beneficial to the environment.
On the other hand, it’s likely that not one of them would have lasted more than 15 minutes max on a bike hooked up to a generator.
Just sayin’….
Sara – For 24/7? By bicyclists who are dropping acid or smoking dope? Really?
“It felt hypocritical……”
That’s because it is!
That is like what I would say, “Hypocrite is not a feeling”.
lol
They should not only feel like hypocrites they should also feel ashamed and embarrassed by their overly vocal and public display of stupidity.
They should have learned a valuable lesson.
My thoughts exactly
The irony … it burns.
“Graham Buss, 63, said: “We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000″”
But you expect the rest of us to pay to have the things provide our extortionately expensive electricity?
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.””
Now you’re getting the idea dickhead! Try thing about that on a local, national then global scale. How many diesel genny’s will be running around the world when you achieve your green utopia.
How thick are these people?!!!!
Incredibly thick it seems. Even the most obvious lessons are missed.
If an organization wholly dedicated to “green” energy cannot afford such an unworkable system, what is their plan for mandating these unworkable systems on the rest of society that also has competing needs for limited economic resources?
When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, “STOP DIGGING!”
They could have been honest and done the concert WITHOUT electricity. Shakespeare did it, why can’t they. I think I even heard acoustic guitar mentioned – what a novel idea!
Where else but the bottom of a hole would a digger find himself?
Like leading a horse to water but being unable to make it drink.
you don’t need “Specially Made” Solar panels. They are available on line and can be delivered within weeks. You just need willingness and proper prior planning…And an Amazon account…And funding
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=5kw+solar+panel+system+off+grid&crid=2017WKR9M8CQ8&sprefix=5Kw+solar+panel+system%2Caps%2C187&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_22
For 3Kw a 1500w system is $3500 so $7000 US for 3Kw 5000 UK
https://www.amazon.com/PluggedSolar-1500Watt-Crystalline-Solar-Breakthough/dp/B008AQS4AY/ref=sr_1_35_sspa?keywords=3kw+solar+panel+system+off+grid&qid=1567539300&s=gateway&sr=8-35-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyMTE2NU8wNVlONjNQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDE1OTQ0MzhWR0NTRVBINlBESyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwMTk1ODk3OVdOWUw4NjJCRFFFJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfYnRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
and ships in 5 days
You mean to say none of the solar panel companies or some NGO wouldn’t come up with £8,000? What a hoot.
Just more Gulliver Yahoos that have realized that Solar is far too expensive to supply power and hypocrites for demanding others take the more costly route when they won’t.
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had (?) a diesel-powered generator as a back up.” Says it all, really. With tortured grammar. But it looks as if they might eventually realise that solar has its drawbacks.
Talk about ‘you couldn’t make this stuff up’. You just gotta be so pucked-in-the-head to do something like this and not realize what a total idiot you are. Not sunk in yet that what’s ‘forcing’ them to do this is….r-e-a-l-i-t-y.
Too true. They have encapsulated the entire situation for grid-scale solar via their experience. Why do they think that making it larger somehow changes the fundamentals?
What complete nonsense, could not the protesters done a deal with the businesses 10 yards away, 8 grand for a solar panel, the stage is the size of two market stalls not Wembley arena,the generator is 3-5 kva max a few amps and lights are not even going to max it out,a 3kva solar panel kit including batts inverter and 6 panels cost a shy over 4000 notes on flea bay, the disadvantages to the solar option is and not what there admitting too, a lot of kit dependent upon the batteries being charged,its half the price the protesters spokes person claims and they would need a good size van to move it around, and just were were they going to set up SPs in a confined street and be constantly shifting them to follow the sun,in this scenario the solar option was simply not suitable, not as they claim cost, in a field maybe,what would they have done without desiel
They’d need about 15sq metres of sun facing surface area and a rigid stucture to mount it, and some sun. None of which are practical in that location.
Agreed and a green monkey to keep it facing in the right direction
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.”
Greenies, it just keeps getting better.
“… we feel like hypocrites …”
You mean it’s taken this long to notice? Well, recognizing this is a good first step …
And still the penny does not drop…
“We were desperate to get a solar panel specially made for the demonstrations but it would have cost us £8,000.
So these buffoons are eager to force that exact kind of economics on the public at large, but they’re so special that they’ll use the economical power which they wish denied their fellow citizens.
Exactly. Per unit acre, per unit energy input, per unit productive output, and other observable, reproducible metrics, conventional systems beat Green system performance. So, the rationalization of the latter is limited to social constructs, liberal inference, and clean, renewable redistributive change schemes.
Why do they need a “music stage”?
I saw / heard Paul Robeson at The Usher Hall in Edinburgh and he didn’t use a microphone.
Paul Robeson–live–wow.
At the other side of entertainment you would recall Gracie Fields, George Formby, Vera Lynne and Harry Lauder.
Long time ago.
Ha, ha!
There, that’s i, he said it…
“Even if we’d been able to get a solar panel made, we would have still had to have had a diesel-powered generator as a back up.”
That is the most perceptive comment I ever heard from one of these ER extremists. Because most of their statements are pure nonsense.
It’s not merely hypocritical, but sanctimoniously hypocritical or bigoted. A selective, opportunistic quasi-religious code (“ethics”) is a certain choice to destroy your viability. Repent, sequester, and emit no more.
The whole CAGW cabal, Extinction Rebellion included, isn’t about facts anyway, it’s about feelings. The feeling that old white guys are driving SUV’s around, poisoning the atmosphere, fits their belief system. Their view is socialism, equal results (not equal opportunity anymore because that didn’t work out), and it takes a village to raise an idiot (or something like that?).
“We’re part of a system that has made it incredibly difficult to use solar panels …”
Yah, the Solar System! I suppose solar would work a lot better if Earth was tidally locked with the sun. It may be uncomfortably hot though…
And everything else they used for the stage is from fossil fuels directly and indirectly.
uh…you could just not have a “music” stage
You don’t get it – they were “forced” to have a music stage, and that means they were “forced” to use a genset. It’s not their fault, you see. Anyway, it’s the intent that counts. /sarc (for the sarc impaired)
That’s the message that somehow isn’t getting through the cobwebs or whatever they have between the ears.
If you guys have your way then none of us, you included, is going to have a music stage or any other piece of kit that needs a reliable electricity supply. Ever. And that, as the saying goes, is not a glitch, it’s a feature. Of the lifestyle that you are demanding and making people’s lives a misery to bring about. What are you going to do with your lives if you win??
That’s one other thing they fail to realize. We aren’t the only ones who will be affected by their stupid plans, they will be affected too. Its a no-win situation. In the end, we ALL lose. I still don’t understand why this hasn’t clicked to them yet.
PERFECT example of GREEN Hypocrisy – OH! this is delicious! Let us beat them over the heads with this forever more.
…and there are people that believe this sheet and take this imbeciles seriously.
So they feel like hypocrites because they have to use reliable fossil fuel energy supply for their stage. It begs the question did they feel like hypocrites when they were travelling up to Manchester by car or diesel train, or electric trains powered predominantly by fossil fuel/nuclear power.
Maybe they felt like hypocrites when they realised the plastic they want to ban, forms the insulation round all of their electric cables, not to mention the materials they used to construct their platform.
Perhaps they should consider renaming themselves Hypo-Greens in deference to their newly discovered status.
The rest of us will continue being just, realists.