Guest essay by Eric Worrall
President and Michelle Obama join the growing list of climate activists who want to enjoy a little beachside luxury before the carbon demon swallows all the coastlines.
Barack and Michelle Obama are buying a $15M estate in Martha’s Vineyard
By Hana R. Alberts
August 22, 2019Barack and Michelle Obama are close to buying a massive Martha’s Vineyard estate.
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The property at 79 Turkeyland Cove Road in Edgartown, Mass. — owned by Boston Celtics chief Wyc Grousbeck — has a living room with vaulted ceilings and a stone fireplace, a chef’s kitchen and a formal dining room with giant windows, according to the property’s Realtor.com listing.
The Obamas will bunk in the master suite, which has a fireplace and private sun deck.Outside, there’s a pool with another fireplace — or the couple could swim on the private beach, which has a boathouse.
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Read more: https://nypost.com/2019/08/22/barack-and-michelle-obama-are-buying-15m-estate-in-marthas-vineyard/
I’m sure we all wish the Obamas well in their new home, but I can’t help thinking this purchase of a low lying seaside property somewhat contradicts previous statements by President Obama about the urgent need to address sea level rise.
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We’ll, he DID proclaim, when he was first elected, that history would record that THIS was when the seas began to recede…
Maybe he believes his own press releases more than other groupthink?
The man never met a mirror he didn’t adore. “Let me tell ya.”
Jealous
I always thought he was a complete Kanute…
If the pounding surf on Lake Michigan continues, we’re going to have beach erosion on the shores. And that isn’t something new.
Even the shores of Martha’s Vineyard can be subject to erosion from severe storms, you know. 🙂 Just sayin’.
I wonder which one will dig out the walkway when the snow season comes. Oh, wait – they’ll be in the Bahamas, right?
They might expect that to be done by the Secret Service detail…
If the pounding surf on Lake Michigan continues, we’re going to have beach erosion on the shores. And that isn’t something new.
Remember. only a few short years ago the Great Lakes were predicted to dry up and leave a big hole in the Upper Midwest. How did that prediction work out?
Sara, Obama has a date with MI. Most likely he headed to GITMO for short stay. Along with his buddies. Tick Tock for Barry. MI = military intelligence.
That was an over the top comment, more rousing speech ender than literal. Only Democrat I liked (I came of age as a Reagan Revolutionary). With Palin/Tea Party, the GOP moved way too right for me, and hardly limited government. I am now an Independant. Especially compared to 42 and 45, I think Obama is a decent family man. Until now, I mostly liked or put up with our presidents (I even liked Nixon in his first term, though I was a child). Blah blah. Have a good one.
everyone is entitled to their own fantasies – but not their own facts. Do some research and get back to us. You’ll be surprised what you find.
just a typical american.
If you go to the Realtor.com listing you can see there’s little elevation between the beach and the house. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/79-Turkeyland-Cove-Rd_Edgartown_MA_02539_M46762-74498#photo4
Four different elevation calculators that I used gave an elevation of 3-3.3 feet, right where the main house stands. Skeeter must really believe that He can lower sea levels.
Gator, as we all know, the storm surge from a good hurricane would eat up that couple of feet with no problem. The flood insurance on that behemoth of a beach shack must be a pretty penny.
Regards,
Bob
Me personally? I don’t think that anyone below 20ft above Sea Level should be allowed Flood Insurance. That would solve a lot of this nonsense and the screaming that the seas are rising crap. Wanna live there? Sure, go for it! Just don’t expect anyone to bail your stupid butt out…Thank you very much!
you’re going to get all your sea food and shipping from Montana…
Steve, interesting thought but not workable.
I live about 2 miles from the Gulf of Mexico at about 65 ft elevation and I thought by now I’d have beach front property, guess Al Bore was wrong.
But, FYI, if you have a property AND a mortgage, the bank won’t let you get away without having flood insurance. I can’t say I disagree with your thought, but banks will not let the property go when they have so much “sunk” (pun not intended but it fits) into a property.
I don’t have a mortgage so it is no big deal to me, I don’t worry about the flood insurance.
I am pretty close to 20 ft above sea level…would take a Cat 5 storm surge to hit me. Plenty of people 1000 ft and higher above sea level that flood regularly because they are in a floodplain.
Where I live in NE Scotland the land is actually rising after the last 2 miles high ice retreated.
But – we have a bunch of government alarmists called SEPA (Scottish Environmental Protection Agency) existing on the taxpayer dime.
They decide where a house can be built based on a 10 feet rise over (whatever they dictate) and their advice is used by Building Societies and Banks to determine if a mortgage is granted.
Of course the insurance companies are more than delighted to use the agencies”advice” in setting exorbitant premiums if you happen to already live near the non rising sea.
I realise it is non kosher to ask if local property prices will be adversely effected by a non white family moving into the Vinyard.
Agree!!
Even Scotland has its own Big Socialist Government. Like a cancer they will not stop until they kill the body.
It is not the practice of the federal government to forbid people from getting flood insurance. Just the opposite, in fact: they effectively require people to buy flood insurance, by forbidding lenders from lending without it.
http://www.sealevel.info/biggertwaters2012k.html#100208
Hi Bob, the Vineyard is a very nice place most of the year, but sometimes…
The link below is from the local newspaper
good reading.
I confess I kind of miss the hurricanes being out west.
https://vineyardgazette.com/tags/hurricanes-and-storms
michael
Gator, I found the same 3-3.3 feet
…NOAA says he’s got over 300 years left
I will crack a rib laughing if the volcanoes under the West Antartic ice shelf open up and cause 12 ft of sea level rise. Funny how Harlech and Caernarfon castles both have sea gates at that level……
All the more remarkable when you add in the lowering of southern Britain as the north has rebounded from being depressed by an ice cap during the last glaciation.
Southern Britain is not lowering because of isostatic rebound – it’s rising, EG Rye-“on-Sea”. Britain is well north of the fulcrum point
Pete August 24, 2019 at 10:16 am
Hi Pete I looked up the location it is not on the ocean proper. But on a “pond”. Over sized sand bar to the south, bad news if a hurricane comes across heading north. Not much of a speed bump.
I grew up in Conn. Long Island helped somewhat but the storms were wild.
The home was built in 2001.
michael
The google maps location for the street address is about 1/10 mile NNE of the center of the dwelling:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/79+Turkeyland+Cove+Rd,+Edgartown,+MA+02539/@41.361806,-70.5480367,591m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e52e14eaca1437:0xc33231a8f1d4b7de!8m2!3d41.361806!4d-70.545848
Whatismyelevation.com shows the elevation of the street address as 3 feet:
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/location/41.36189,-70.54573/79-Turkeyland-Cove-Rd–Edgartown–MA-02539-
However, here’s the google maps view for the precise latitude,longitude of the center of the dwelling (41.3605841,-70.5487026):
https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B021'38.4%22N+70%C2%B032'47.5%22W/@41.3605841,-70.5487026,712m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d41.3606526!4d-70.5465139
Whatismyelevation.com shows the elevation there as 0 feet:
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/location/41.3605842590332,-70.5487060546875/41-360584—70-548703-
There’s a relatively new 501(c)(3) charity in NYC called the First Street Foundation, created to hype unscientific sea-level alarmism. They popped up in late 2017, with an initial paid staff of about ten people, and quickly expanded to fifteen. (Someone obviously wrote a very big check!)
They work with leftist profs at Columbia University, and their MO is to publish junk science in obscure journals, accompanied by flashy press releases, blasted out to every media outlet on the planet, with the general theme that wildly accelerated sea-level rise dooms coastal cities, because of climate change.
They’ve created a web site called FloodIQ.com, to tell you how deep the water will be where you live. According to their map, a Cat 1 hurricane would have floodwater lapping at President Obama’s door sills, and a Cat 3 would put his entire property, including his home, under more than three feet of water. Here’s their report for President Obama’s new home:
https://floodiq.com/property/6a5a809e7efa506b40947b2ac2e3f481
Screenshot:
http://sealevel.info/Obama_seaside_villa_Marthas_Vinyard/FloodiQ_com_screenshot2.png
What you do reveals the truth of what you say.
Not to mention the carbon dino print of such a massive estate. Hypocrites.
What all the comments have missed is the lack of even Solar panels on the residence to at least offset some of the carbon footprint.
There is a large turbine installed in an out-building on the property that generates 2MW per day from hot air…all the ex-president and is wife have to do is breath into a small pipe for about 10 minutes a day to run it…
Scum.
Well, if you are the guy who claims to stop sea level rise, I suppose you live close to work.
Obama was the President who claimed that during his administration we would all celebrate that the oceans have stopped rising. The media went wild and so did all the Democrats who thought that they had elected a god.
What a bunch of complete hypocrites the Obamas are and how gullible and ignorant are the Democrats that supported them both then and now.
Most of it is closer to 3′ which is about the same as his beach front vacation house in Hawaii.
https://www.whatismyelevation.com/location/41.36189,-70.54573/79-Turkeyland-Cove-Rd–Edgartown–MA-02539-
Although the waters will obviously part around his new house, rising sea levels do not actually affect those that walk on water.
Clean, green, redistributive profits for prophets. What else have the activists got wrong in concentration and volume, through liberal license to infer from characterization in isolation?
The home is 600 ft above sea level!
Nope. The 29 acre site has its own private beach and boat house. It is only a few feet above the water. Just like the house they bought on the Hawaiian beach….
For a good swim, some 20 degrees F of local warming is desired.
The highest point on Marth’s Vineyard is about 300 feet. The house itself is at most 10 ft above sea level.
https://goo.gl/maps/njPHz352XuEoYsDk9
See https://viewer.nationalmap.gov/theme/elevation/ for data.
Maybe 60 inches ICU. 600 ft? What planet are you on? The highest point on all of Martha’s Vineyard (Peaked Hill) is only 311 ft.
You heard that on CNN?
NOAA tide gauge data for Boston, Woods Hole and Nantucket Island shows about 1 foot per century of steady coastal sea level rise at these locations.
At ten feet above sea level his billion dollar family can enjoy the place for about 10 centuries. Maybe even longer if he stops the oceans from rising.
You can see those tidal guages here:
Obamas Don’t Seem to Fear the Rise in Sea Level; Data Supports their Decision
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/2019/08/24/obamas-dont-seem-to-fear-the-rise-in-sea-level-data-supports-their-decision/
I’m sure we all wish the Obamas well in their new home
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speak for yourself. I wish them all the worst. I’m just honest enough to state that.
With a bit of luck and a lot of justice, Bathhouse Barry and Michael won’t have much time to enjoy their new house. If they’re banged up in prison.
Climate change is only for the little people, you know, you and me to make sacrifices for. So they can’t have all us Deplorables taking up good oceanfront property and using up all the fossil fuels they and their children will need in the coming decades to jet and yacht their way to those destinations.
Boom, mic drop. They won’t consider their work done until there are only two classes in the world: the puppet masters and the straw dogs fighting each other over scraps. AGW is the ultimate strategy to divide and rule, and I think more and more people are starting to see the truth of this. Using it to tear the United States apart has been wildly successful, and since (whether they admit it consciously or not) the rest of the western world follows the United States, it has steamrollered everything resembling political and social rationality in Canada, Europe, and Australia as well.
Someone in this thread called the Obamas “scum.” I have no problem with this characterization.
I think I could find more uses for scum than for Obama.
Don’t you remember? Obama has the super power of being able to control the seas.
Can he control where offshore wind farms are put?
I heard from a very trustworthy source that windmills cause cancer. So be careful!
He’ll be BROKEN in 3 years like all them surprise 😲 millionaire. 😂 Or put the house on the market again, mark my words.
He’s putting his money where his mouth isn’t.
Perhaps Mr Obama needs to read this before closing the deal . He may have some new neighbours…
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/24/climate-claim-large-scale-evacuation-planning-needs-to-start-now/
“I’m sure we all wish the Obamas well in their new home…” Not quite. I wish for all psychotic globalist ‘elites’ exactly what they wish for the rest of humanity – MISERY AND DEATH. Namaste & have a nice day. 🌻
The Obama’s now living in Turkeyland Cove! Perfect place for them.
How to build a local story into a global claim… Trust the CBC!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/alaska-salmon-heat-deaths-1.5256288
Wow 5 days of torrid temperature over 30 C…
When fish are exposed to warmer temperatures, their metabolism increases and they go through their energy stores much faster. The salmon that died didn’t have enough energy to make it to their spawning grounds and their hearts failed, she said.
The team recorded 850 dead fish, but they estimate the actual number of casualties could be up to 10 times higher.
So OK a few did not make it, got stressed. That happens. And estimates are just estimates…
But here is the key:
So this has really no impact but IF heat waves become more common…
Even better:
So local fish survived the heat well, because they have adapted to local climate… while the migrating fish have spent their energy and are vulnerable. Who would have thought…
Yet another nothing story, transformed into an alarmist article by the CBC.
Question… How does one go from: community organizer to state senator, to US senator (for only 3 years), to President and is then able to afford a $15M beachside property?
Ask Al Gore or the Clintons.
“….to President and is then able to afford a $15M beachside property.”
You start up a fake university then swindle people who sign up. Oh wait, that’s the other president.
Simon, Hillary lost. Maybe you’re thinking of Bill or his VP?
…. I bet you wish you could have that one back Simon.
Simon has no defense of Obama except to attack Trump. Quite telling.
Trump franchised his name and paid dearly for mistakes made by his franchisees. No one was forced to attend Trump University.
Obama was largely responsible for his namesake Obamacare, which forced tens of millions to purchase a product they didn’t want or to pay fines for not doing so. Nevertheless, Obama received millions in kickbacks from healthcare companies that benefited. BTW, Obama also benefited financially from helping to fastrack Boeing’s 737 Max.
Not that I doubt the potential for [any] politician to receive kickbacks, I’d like to see some backup to your assertions about kickbacks from healthcare companies (and which ones actually benefits, and to what degree), as well as the background on the 737Max program.
Just asking so I can be better informed.
Please! You can’t just say [snipped] like that and not source it.
[Language. Mod]
It’s simple Simon. You’re thinking of Bernie Sander’s wife, Jane. She drove a small college into financial ruin while allegedly committing bank loan fraud.
Now, the Obamas were nearly broke when Barackward became President. Financially, the presidency was really profitable for these two socialist community organizers that espouse wealth redistribution for the little people. They redistributed sooo much wealth to themselves, they can now afford a sea level $15 million dollar estate, just for their summer cottage!
link It appears to be completely legitimate. On the other hand I’m reminded of this Broadway ditty:
ScienceABC123
That was my first question when I read this.
I was wondering that myself. You missed his time as a professor who did not publish — or even verbalize — political or other opinions…
Wasn’t it part-time lecturer? not professor?
The Audacity of Hope?
Perhaps the socialist Obamas are just trying to ‘one up’ the socialist Bernie Sanders and wifey.
Is this what wealth redistribution looks like? Obama opined in 2010 “At a certain point, you’ve made enough money.” For the Obamas, is it a $15 million summer home seaside point on Marthas Vineyard? Or are they needing more millions of dollars to satisfy their lust for power and money?
Nothing silly or hypercritical about this. Unlike Trump, Obama actually had a handle on climate change. He would know the numbers. How long would Obama have to live ? Maybe another 30 years. At 3mm a year even if it doubled for the last 15 he would experience 135mm. 13.5 cm’s. That’s not going to swamp him. And why shouldn’t he enjoy the coast like everyone else? Anyone who knows anything about climate change know it’s likely the next few generations after him that will suffer.
Yes, not a problem anyone has to worry about. At 6mm / year or 60cm / century (slightly over 2ft), it’s someone else’s problem.
Eric Worrall, replying to Simon
Hmmn. About double what I have read: 2.2-2.3 mm per year, less than 1 inch per decade, less than 10 inches per century. About 1 meter in 400 years.
But then another graph shows 1.4 mm per year since 1920. Another person claims 3.1 mm per year for recent sea level rise. Your value was double mine at 6 mm per year.
Should we not “know” a valid estimate for average global sea level rise the next two centuries?
Just 200 years. Not 1000 years, 2000 years or the 14,000 years to melt the Greenland and Antarctica ice caps. Just the next two hundred years please.
(Yes, I know the climastrologists use a “recently-accelerated-model” to create a exponentially increasing current sea level rise, then extrapolated that using other models of exponentially increasing future global average CO2
-> exponentially increasing future global average air temperature increases
-> exponentially increasing future global average icecap and glacier melting rates
-> exponentially increasing future global average sea level rise.
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And, as a result, we see people asking when Mar A Largo in Florida will flood, when Miami must be evacuated, when Norfolk must be abandoned, when Manhattan will go under.
You forgot RACook, the climate models are infallible…
“Yes, not a problem anyone has to worry about. At 6mm / year or 60cm / century (slightly over 2ft), it’s someone else’s problem.”
Thanks Eric….And there folks is about as good a summation of this problem we face and why people here just don’t seem to care. It ain’t gonna affect them so who gives a S***T.
It’s like ancient Egyptians worrying what people thousands of years in the future will do when the quarry stone for building pyramids runs out Simon.
“Nothing silly or hypercritical about this.”
No way you typed that with a straight face. Take a wild guess on what the “carbon footprint” of this behemoth is. And it is a vacation residence. Add it to the list of homes they have and travel between. Add it to the signs of massive wealth that have and apparently have little interest in redistributing.
“Unlike Trump, Obama actually had a handle on climate change. He would know the numbers.”
BS. He’d stammer and stutter and try to make some ish up because someone once told him what numbers there may be concerning sea level rise. Just because he was in lockstep with the party lines on “climate change” doesn’t mean he knows anything about any “numbers.”
“How long would Obama have to live ? Maybe another 30 years. At 3mm a year even if it doubled for the last 15 he would experience 135mm. 13.5 cm’s. That’s not going to swamp him. And why shouldn’t he enjoy the coast like everyone else? Anyone who knows anything about climate change know it’s likely the next few generations after him that will suffer.”
Where have you been? Your ilk have been crying about not only accelerated sea level rise but adding that to the increasing storm surge levels due to stronger hurricanes and tropical storms. Your ilk are freaking-out about coastal communities at these elevations for THIS generation, not just “the next few.”
“Suffer” from climate change…lol.
“Just because he was in lockstep with the party lines on “climate change” doesn’t mean he knows anything about any “numbers.””
He listened to the people who study this stuff. That is what reasonable/sensible presidents do. Unlike Trump who is utterly clueless. Good presidents don’t call themselves the “chosen one” or say garbage like CC was invented by the Chinese.
“Your ilk are freaking-out about coastal communities at these elevations for THIS generation, not just “the next few.”
Nope, not me. People say dumb stuff on both sides of this debate. I read the science that actually talks about reality. Some areas are at risk in the not too distant future but most of us will be fine for the next 50 or so years (with regard to sea level rise anyway).
“He listened to the people who study this stuff. ”
He listened to propagandists, and became one himself.
“propagandists”
What a joke. That is the lasting argument for skeptics. It’s all fake. Scientists are lying. Obama listened to the people paid to advise him on issues. It’s a pity the clown in the white house at the moment doesn’t do that more often.
Simon August 24, 2019 at 6:32 pm
“Obama listened to the people paid to advise him on issues.”
Really Simon then why did he buy the place? Did you carefully look at the realtor photos? Not a New Englander, I see. There appears to storm damage.
I gave a link to the local newspaper. Interesting things happen to the pond that the home is on -March 2018. Three storms one after the other. They had to cut a hole in the sand bar to let the water out.
So tell me why after last years storms the owner decided to unload it?
michael
That is the lasting argument for skeptics. It’s all fake. Scientists are lying. Obama listened to the people paid to advise him on issues.
Spot on Simon . . . time to put these skeptics in their place and you are the man to do it!
Who doesn’t remember the most famous truth-telling scientist of President Obama’s obfuscation of the Oval Office?
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass
Simon…that was disgusting…if anyone has a handle on it…it’s Trump….unlike Obama’s lying….Trump knows it’s the rest of the world causing it
“Anyone who knows anything about climate change know it’s likely the next few generations after him that will suffer.”
Right, so it’s ok for the world’s elite to have massive carbon footprints while telling the rest of us we need more and more taxes to control the weather.
Your cognitive dissonance is astounding, Simon.
Jeff Alberts
“Right, so it’s ok for the world’s elite ….”
I’d say its not ok. I think we all need to cut back. Would you agree with me?
No I would not. I am a conservative. That means that when I go camping, I pick up my trash and carry it out, along with some crap left behind by others. I don’t waste or wantonly destroy things.
I travel when, where and how I please. I do not think people like you should tell my such things. I will set the heat and cooling to the temperature that makes ME comfortable. At this time I can afford to set it to whatever I like. This is not waste, this is why power, oil and gas companies exist, to provide products to customers at a profit and at the quantity desired.
If you had your way, you would price the majority of people out of their comfort level. YOU would decide what is “comfortable”, what I can eat, where I can go and when. Your earlier comments show it is YOUR opinion that should determine how everyone else should live. Enough of this “I think we all need to cut back” crap. When you prove to the world that you live without the use of ANY “artificial” CO2 producing processes, then come back and talk. Otherwise leave the rest of humanity alone to live as best we can.
BTW: Whatever changes in sea level, temperature, humidity, precipitation, etc. now ongoing are within the ranges of what has happened in the past. Provide evidence that current climate change is something out the range of historical natural variation.
“BTW: Whatever changes in sea level, temperature, humidity, precipitation, etc. now ongoing are within the ranges of what has happened in the past. Provide evidence that current climate change is something out the range of historical natural variation.”
What you mean is provide proof that meets your criteria, because the proof has already met mine. Let’ be honest, if you can’t see that we are warming and that we are at least in part responsible, then nothing is going to change your mind.
Like er…57 states and they speak Austrian in Austria.
Sock puppet, dotard. Dribbling imbecile. Good German, useful idiot.
I followed the real estate link but it didn’t mention the elevation.
Maybe it has an elevator that goes down a couple of hundred feet to reach that “private beach”?
OH! I forgot that he and his climate policies ended the “sea level rise” in a couple of years that “Climate Seance” has been going on for decades. That’s why he spent $15M on it while he was President.
OH! I forgot that he bought this after Trump was elected and has moved to neuter his climate policies, Paris being one of the first things to be snipped.
I guess he has money to burn. (Was he a CEO of Solyndra?)
This area does have some cool geology. The islands of Martha’s Vineyard and Nantucket, as well as the entire Cape Cod peninsula, were formed by massive sheets of ice during the last Glacial maximum. As the ice melted, sea levels rose 400 ft higher than during glacial times — and the islands’ connection to the mainland disappeared under water. The sea has been reclaiming the Vineyard ever since the ice began to melt and recede.
I suppose the secret service detail will bunk in the stables…
I hope everyone that is going to live in that mansion loves eating fish and lobster.
Where are the extra-tropical hurricanes this year? Oh well, maybe next year.
Maybe there will be an early season Nor’easter?