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Guest essay by Eric Worrall
China is demanding that the USA and other developed countries give China large sums of cash, because the USA owes China and other developing countries for historical US greenhouse gas contributions.
China is also demanding lenient “developing country” accounting oversight over how those climate cash transfers from the USA to China are spent.
China demands developed countries ‘pay their debts’ on climate change
Key sticking point at UN negotiations is how countries should account for their greenhouse gas emissions
China called on rich countries to “pay their debts” on climate change at global talks on Thursday, criticising developed countries for not doing enough to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and provide finance to help poor countries do the same.
The trenchant intervention by Xie Zhenhua, the minister who leads the Chinese delegation and a veteran of the UN climate negotiations, came as China faced increasing pressure to shift its stance on some of the key rules required to implement the 2015 Paris agreement.
He told a small group of journalists: “Developing countries are not comfortable or happy. [We need to] see if developed countries have honoured their commitments. Still some countries have not started their mitigation efforts, or provided financial support [to poor nations]. We strongly urge them to pay up on their debts.”
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Developed countries prefer strict standards but developing countries have historically been allowed some leeway, in recognition that their governance structures and capabilities may lag behind.
But the EU and other developed countries are concerned that large rapidly developing economies such as China are not agreeing to adequate transparency in accounting for their emissions.
Xie said the talks were “deadlocked”, but maintained that China should continue to be treated as a developing country, and that developing countries should have flexibility over transparency rules.
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The situation is even more ridiculous when you consider that the US Federal Government is in severe deficit, they borrow billions of dollars every year. Much of that borrowed cash comes from China.
So the Chinese negotiator Xie Zhenhua’s position amounts to a demand that the USA borrow money from China, gift the principle back to China, then repay the loan that they just gifted to China.
My question – would President Obama have agreed the Chinese demand?
My question – would President Obama have agreed the Chinese demand?
I hope that’s rhetorical
The last thing he did was write a check for $1/2 billion to the green fund…and run out the door
Sounds like good news to me. By making any such demands the Chinese government is helping to illuminate the utter wanton, craven, stupidity behind all of these “climate negotiations”.
While it just entailed handing over $ a few billion to a corrupt ruler or ten of small Pacific Island Nations, then it could have run on for much longer. But when the general public sees that it might mean handing over their entire life savings, and far more besides, to Communist China, for less than nothing in return, then the cat is truly out of the bag.
We’ll have to borrow the money from them.
Remember when I said we’d soon see a pivot? Instead of wasting $2.4 Trillion on mitigation, the Western world will be granted the opportunity to spend $500 billion on reparations. But we can start at a lower number and work up from there.
We can have a vote at the UN, but I suspect that all the countries who are too corrupt to have functioning economies of their own will all vote the same way.
It’s not surprising that the usual warmunist trolls haven’t shown up here…they can’t handle being confronted with the obvious reality that climate change is nothing more than a transparent attempt at international wealth transfer, and has nothing to do with actual science or real dangers, risks, or damages.
easy ,peasy,.. fine china for current co2 releases and deduct what the US previously emitted..
tell china we will accept payments for the next 10 years..
“My question – would President Obama have agreed the Chinese demand?”
Obama would have suggested it
Thank you China for showing the world what the “Climate Change” BS is all about..Wealth Distribution from Capitalist countries to socialist/communist/liberal countries because they ran out of Other Peoples Money ! D’OH !
It shows the Chinese know quite well we are stupid. Send money now. You can borrow it from us and pay back in easy steps. Do you need any more of those solar panels and wind-turbines to salve your hyper-active conscience?
Sooooooo, China with second biggest economy in the world and 1.4 billion population is a developing country and we owe them money? Oh wait I live in Canada 36 mill. , Truedough already gave 2.5 bill to the UN green slush fund and we paid for 230(more then all counties combined except France) delegates to go to Paris and save the world…oh …. and we signed on to the UN migrant party bus(they get off bus and head for the nearest US border).. aaand china already own a large part of Canada.
We’re made of money says Mr. True dough, so we’ll just give them Alberta, we’re all going to have flying electric cars and solar powered airplanes next year….or maybe two says Mr True Dough, no need for that dirt oil, they can build a pipe line to China..cuzz we can’t build one in Canada!
Sounds fair!
I have this image in my mind of Donald Trump rolling around the floor of the Oval Office in a fit of laughter at this ludicrous demand.
“…China called on rich countries to “pay their debts” on climate change at global talks on Thursday, criticising developed countries for not doing enough to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and provide finance to help poor countries do the same…”
Translation: “Our [China’s] economic advantage over the U.S. isn’t good enough. American and the West need to do more to shoot themselves in the foot over climate change so that our advantage over them is even bigger. And pay no attention to our own CO2 emissions; The U.S. is the real evil party here”.
It would be interesting to do an analysis to determine how much U.S. CO2 emissions since the end of WWII or so have contributed to increased crop yields globally and what the monetary value of the increased yield actually is. If this analysis could be done, the result might demonstrate that the U.S. doesn’t owe anybody a damn thing.
This demand from China is an IQ test of Western countries. Germany will pass it and America will pass the test if they keep Trump and France if the Gilets Jaunes continue the revolution. I’m waiting for Macron to call the electorate Deplorables. That will surely smarten the up!
Or he could take a phrase of past French leaders and just tell them to eat cake.
This whole matter of some countries such as India and China pretending to be developing countries and thus exempt via the original Kyoto farce of a agreement. Compare their upper and middle class s to say London in 1900. Back then London and he rest of the UK had millions living in poverty . Under the classification of Kyoto, London back then would have been a developing country. But instead in 1900 the UK was not only a 1st world country, it was the Worlds number one country.
Its all a very sick joke and should be exposed for what it is.
MJE
The UN is largely to blame here because it keeps calling China and India “developing nations” even though they are respectively 2nd and 7th in GDP.
I’d not be surprised at all if it turns out that Western green-socialist political parties NGOs and UN IPCC or its affiliates are working directly with Beijing, inspiring and feeding the nonsense agenda.
The solution is to convene a number of honest and ethical scientists and restudy climate change. I am sure they could find a computer error in the program which would reverse the current results and prove that CO2 is not the cause of the warming. Request denied. The CAGW crowd should have a conscience and donate the requested funds to developing dictators.
This demonstrates CO2 has little to effect on climate.
China is like the CIA, the misinformation they disclose is only an attempt to root out subversives.
” Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they aren’t after you.”
My favourite passage in The Guardian is from Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives-
« Nothing’s happening.Absolutely nothing is happening…You have this whole dictionary of words that has been brought into these climate conferences, then they talk about brackets and we go round and round and round, and we don’t go anywhere. »
When you don’t know where you are going, any road will take you there.
Wait! By my calculation this article was posted exactly 111 days too early.
“At between 50 and 100 million tonnes of methane a year, rice agriculture is a big source of atmospheric methane, possibly the biggest of man-made methane sources.” — http://www.ghgonline.org/methanerice.htm
“While carbon dioxide is typically painted as the bad boy of greenhouse gases, methane is roughly 30 times more potent as a heat-trapping gas.” — https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140327111724.htm
China is by far the world’s largest producer of paddy field rice (and all rice types taken together) — https://www.statista.com/statistics/255937/leading-rice-producers-worldwide/
I demand that China give the US and other countries large sums of cash, because Chine owes the US and all other countries for historical its greenhouse gas contributions, produced for millenia before the Industrial age and even up to today.
With any luck the UNFCCC Katowice talks will end in abject failure and much finger pointing.
I think that this, being offered at this time has to be looked at geopolitically because it can not possibly be taken seriously on strictly scientific, historical, present, diplomatic, or ideological grounds, given the widespread public anger in the West at the shameless AGW gravvy-train in Europe, North America and Australia.
In which case it seems this is geared to do one thing, to paint the Western world as rapacious global vandals who owe everyone else, for something imaginary to increase the sense of unction and hatred.
In which case, it’s clearly intended as a hostile act of state provocations to garner Chinese support from the already hot-headed, and increase the level of global polarization against western countries, for purely geopolitical ends.
it’s got nothing to do with reality though. And any time the commies want to renounce carbon and energy production and go back the Beijing ‘traffic jams’ of tens of millions of push bikes, as during the 1970s, then go right ahead, otherwise you’re total hypocrites, and far worse polluters than anyone else on the planet, and far worse than anyone in history in fact, and then there’s that coral reef thing.
[PS: how’s the fake milk that’s being fed to Chinese babies going? has anyone gone to prison? no? why is that? people in glass houses should not throw stones]
This goes under China finding new ways to derail COP without getting blamed, they have been very skillful. The best bit is the green groups still think China is on there side even after they removed all Human Rights from the rulebook, seems they can do no wrong.
The stupidity of the developed countries having to pay for CO2 emission that fueled their development is absolutely mind boggling stupid and only something that could be accepted by a person of the Progressive Left with their faith-based ideology. Obama made two $500 million payments into the Green Climate Fund, which is the mechanism that has been agreed to in the Paris Agreement. I do not think any other developed made any payments. If we had not used fossil fuels, we would not have developed. If we had not developed, we would not have had the enormous consumer market that the Chinese have exploited to fuel their development. If we had not developed, we would not have the money to make the demanded payments and most of the world would still be living at a subsistence level with little to no hope for improvement.
Opps, my bad Canada paid 4 billion to the climate slush fund, so no Ron Abate, Canada is the biggest idiot!!
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/27/trudeau-set-to-deliver-toast-to-the-queen-at-commonwealth-summit.html
Take that USA, we’re number one , we’re number one , we’re num….? Whaa? …SHEET!!!
Congrats, Lance of BC, your country is a bigger idiot that Obama’s US was. (um, I guess that’s really not something to be proud about, so maybe congrats aren’t in order).
Though to be fair, that article claims Canada *only* paid $1.5 billion into the fund so far (as of the writing of that article) and has pledge an addition $2.65 billion to bring their target above $4 billion. Since those figures might be in Canadian dollars, that $1.5 billion might be pretty close to the $1 billion US dollars that Obama stole from the taxpayers and put into the fund. So, if it’s any consolation that makes Canada just as stupid as Obama’s US until Justin makes good on the rest of the pledged funds (which he may have already done in the 3 years since that article was written)
I forgot to add to my comment s on both India and China pretending to be under developrf countries. .. Both countries are nuclear powers with the atomic bomb, plus a very big military forces. Hardly under developed countries.
MJE
China is also one of the oldest civilizations on the planet with one of the largest militaries, one of the few world nuclear powers and one of the largest economies. In what ways are they still “developing” that doesn’t apply to other developed nations (such as the US)? It’s a farce to call them a “developing country”. What, they’re simply a centuries late bloomer? seriously?