Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach [See update at the end.]
Let me start explaining the link from Picasso to climate science by looking at what Dr. Nir Shaviv called “the most boring graph I have ever plotted in my life”.
This is the graph of the changes in the best estimate of the range of what is called “climate sensitivity” over the last forty years or so.
What is climate sensitivity when it’s at home? To explain that, I’ll have to take a slight detour. First, downwelling radiation.
“Downwelling” in climate science means headed down towards the planetary surface. Downwelling radiation is the total radiation going downwards towards the surface. It is composed of sunshine (shortwave) plus thermal radiation from the atmosphere (longwave). In climate science, this quantity, total downwelling radiation, is called “forcing”, abbreviated “F”
The central paradigm of modern climate science is that if you change the amount of downwelling radiation (forcing), that the surface temperature perforce will change. The claim is that everything else averages out, and if the forcing increases, then surface temperature needs to change to maintain the global energy balance. It has to change. It must.
In short, the central paradigm of modern climate science is the following:
In the long run, global temperature change is proportional to global forcing change.
The putatively constant proportion between the two, which is the temperature change divided by forcing change, is called the “climate sensitivity”.
“Climate sensitivity” is often expressed as the assumed change in temperature given a change of 3.7 watts per square metre (W/m2) in downwelling radiation. The determination of this so-called “climate sensitivity” is a central question arising out of the paradigm that temperature change is proportional to temperature change.
Which leads me to the most boring graph below. It shows the changes over time in the estimate of the value of the climate sensitivity.

Figure 1. Changes over time in the estimate of the climate sensitivity parameter “lambda”. “∆T2x(°C)” is the expected temperature change in degrees Celsius resulting from a doubling of atmospheric CO2, which is assumed to increase the forcing by 3.7 watts per square metre. FAR, SAR, TAR, AR4, AR5 are the UN IPCC 1st, second, third, fourth and fifth Assessment Reports giving an assessment of the state of climate science as of the date of each report
It is worth noting that since 1979, entire new scientific fields like DNA analysis have first been envisioned, then have come into being, and now have reached amazing levels of development … and during that same time, what Dr. Shaviv rightly calls “the most important question in climate” has gone nowhere. No progress at all.
Since 1979, the amount of computing power that we have available, both as individuals and large organizations, has skyrocketed. My trusty PowerMac has more computing ability than most universities had available in 1979. The cost has dropped as well, from $100,000 per “MIPS” (million instructions per second) to less than $1 per MIPS today. And the speed has gone through the roof, with supercomputers running climate models at more than a trillion floating point operations (which have the lovely name of “TeraFLOPs”) every second. The number of people investigating the value of climate sensitivity has also grown over time. And billions and billions of dollars have been spent on trying to answer the question.
So … since the Charney report on climate sensitivity in 1979 we’ve had huge, stupendous increases in:
• Computing power working on the question
• Hours of intensive research applied to the question
• Discussion, debate, and interest in the question
• Money spent on the question
And despite those huge increases in time, work, discussion, and computer power, the investigation of the question of the value of climate sensitivity has gone exactly nowhere. No progress.
How can we understand this scientific oddity? What is the reason that all of that valuable time, money, and effort has achieved nothing? I mean zero. Nada. No movement at all. The most boring graph.
Let me suggest that climate science is the victim of what I call the “Picasso Problem”. Pablo Picasso once said something that has stuck with me for a long time. He said:
“What good are computers? They can only give you answers.”
Now, I wrote my first computer program in 1963, more than half a century ago. I was sixteen. It ran on a computer the size of a small room. I’ve been programming computers ever since then. I’ve written programs to do everything from designing fabric patterns for huge catenary tents, to calculating next year’s tides from this year’s tide tables, to making the plasma-cutting files to guide the cutting of the steel parts for building 25-metre fishing boats, to analyzing the data and doing the math and creating the graphics for this very post. And over the years I’ve made big bucks with my succession of computers.
So when I read that Picasso was dissing computers with that statement, my initial response was to say “Whaa? Computers are great! What is this mad artist on about? I’ve made lots of money with my computer. How can they be no good?”
But upon more mature reflection, I realized that Picasso was right. Here’s what he meant:
Even the best computer can’t give you the right answer unless you ask it the right question.
To me, this was a crucial insight, one that has guided many of my scientific peregrinations—don’t focus too much on the answers. Put some focus on the questions as well.
So regarding climate science, what is the wrong question, and what is the right question? Once again, please allow me to get side-tractored a bit.
I first got interested in climate science around the turn of the century because of the increase in serial doomcasting regarding some rumored upcoming Thermageddon™. So I started with the basics, by learning how the poorly-named “greenhouse effect” was keeping the earth far warmer than the temperature of the Moon, which is at the same distance from the sun.
However, along the way, I read that the best estimate of the warming over the entire 20th century was on the order of 0.6 degrees Celsius. When I read that, I thought … “Whaa … less than one degree??? All this fuss and the temperature has changed much less than one degree?”
I was surprised because of my experience repairing machinery which had a governor, and my experience with solar energy. I viewed the climate as a giant solar-driven heat engine, wherein the energy of the sun is converted into the ceaseless movement of the atmosphere and the ocean working against the brake of friction against the mountains and shores and the endless turbulent losses.
When one analyzes the efficiency or other characteristics of a heat engine, or when one uses tools like the Stefan-Boltzmann equation to convert temperature into the equivalent amount of thermal radiation, you have to use the Kelvin temperature scale (abbreviated “K”). This is the scale which starts at absolute zero. Temperature is a function of the motion of the molecules or atoms involved. And absolute zero is where molecular motion stops entirely.
You can’t use degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit for these calculations, because °C and °F have arbitrary zero points. You have to use the Kelvin scale, it’s the only one that works. Kelvin has the same size units as Celsius, just a different zero point, which is at minus 273.15°C (minus 459.67°F).
Now, the average surface temperature of the Earth is on the order of 14° Celsius, which is 57° Fahrenheit … or 287 Kelvin. And with that average global temperature of 287 Kelvin, the global temperature variation of 0.6 K over the 20th century is a temperature variation of a fifth of one percent.
This was the oddity that shaped my investigation of the climate … during a hundred year period, the temperature had varied by only about one fifth of one percent. This was amazing to me. I’d had lots of experience with governed systems because of my work with electrical generators. These need to be tightly governed so that their speed remains constant regardless of the changing load on the system. And what I’d found in my work with mechanical governors is that it’s quite hard to regulate a mechanical system to within one percent.
Yet despite droughts and floods, despite huge volcanic eruptions, despite constantly changing global cloud cover, despite all kinds of variations in the forcing, despite the hemispheric temperatures changing by ~ 13°C twice over the course of each and every year, despite the globe being balanced on a greenhouse effect which is holding it on the order of ~ 50°C warmer than the moon … despite all of those variations and changes, the average temperature of the Earth didn’t vary by a quarter of one percent over the entire 20th century.
That is amazingly tight regulation. Here’s a real-world example of why I was surprised by that stability.
I was looking at the speedometer today with my truck on “cruise control”. Cruise control in your car is a governor that keeps the speed of the vehicle the same regardless of changes in load on the truck. I set it for 50 miles per hour. Up and down hills it varied by plus and minus one mile per hour. That’s a computer-controlled engine that is speed-regulated to within ±2%, pretty tight regulation … but the Earth’s temperature is far better regulated than that. It stays within less than plus or minus one tenth of a percent.
To me at the time, that thermal stability was a clear sign of the existence of some unknown of natural thermostatic processes that acted in a very efficient manner to maintain the Earth’s temperature within those narrow bounds. So my own quest in the field of climate science was to find out what the natural phenomena were that explained the tight regulation of century-long planetary surface temperatures.
Which left me in a curious position. All of the established climate scientists were, and still are, trying to find out why the temperature is changing so much. They spend time looking at graphs like this, showing the variations in the Earth’s surface temperature:

Figure 2. HadCRUT global average surface temperature anomaly.
On the other hand, because I’m someone with an interest in heat engines and governors, I was trying to find out why the temperature has been changing so little. I spent my time looking at the exact same data as in Figure 2, but expressed in graphs like this:

Figure 3. HadCRUT global average actual surface temperature (the same data shown in Figure 2) and also the approximate average lunar temperature, in kelvin.
And that brings me back, after plowing that distant field, to the question of climate sensitivity and to Picasso’s prescient question, viz: “What good are computers? They can only give you answers.”.
I say that we have made zero progress in four decades of attempting to measure or calculate climate sensitivity because we are using our awesome computer power to investigate why the global temperature changes so much.
For me, this is entirely the wrong question. The question that we should be asking is the following:
Why does the global temperature change so little?
After much thought and even more research, I say the reason that global average temperature changes so little is that temperature is NOT proportional to forcing as is generally believed. As a result, the so-called “climate sensitivity” is not a constant as is assumed … and since it is not a constant, trying to determine its exact value is a fool’s errand because it has none. That’s why we can’t make even the slightest advance on measuring it … because it’s a chimera based on a misunderstanding of what is happening.
Instead, my hypothesis is that the temperature is maintained within narrow bounds by a variety of emergent phenomena that cool the earth when it gets too hot, and heat it up when it gets too cool. I have found a wide variety of observational evidence that this is actually the case. See the endnotes for some of my posts on my hypothesis.
But hey, that’s just my answer. And I freely agree that my answer may be wrong … but at least it is an answer to the right question. The true mystery of the climate is its amazing thermal stability.
Finally, how did an entire field of science get involved in trying to answer the wrong question? I say that it is the result of the 1988 creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) by the United Nations.
In 1988, the field of climate science was fairly new. Despite that, however, the UN was already convinced that it knew what the problem was. Typical bureaucratic arrogance. As a result, in the UN General Assembly Resolution 43/53 from 1988, the Resolution which set up the IPCC, it says that the UN General Assembly was:
Concerned that certain human activities could change global climate patterns, threatening present and future generations with potentially severe economic and social consequences,
Noting with concern that the emerging evidence indicates that continued growth in atmospheric concentrations of “greenhouse” gases could produce global warming with an eventual rise in sea levels, the effects of which could be disastrous for mankind if timely steps are not taken at all levels,
And in response, it jumped right over asking if whether or not this was scientifically correct, and went straight to taking action on something that of course, the General Assembly knew nothing about. The Resolution says that the General Assembly:
… Determines that necessary and timely action should be taken to deal with climate change within a global framework;
Calls for action always make bureaucrats happy. So the IPCC, an expressly political “Intergovernmental” organization, became the defacto guiding light for an entire field of science … which turned out to be a huge mistake.
Now, up until that time, and since that time as well, every other field of science has managed to make amazing strides in understanding without any global “Intergovernmental” panel to direct their efforts. We’ve had astounding successes with our usual bumbling catch-as-catch-can scientific method, which involves various scientists working fairly independently around the planet on some scientific question, sometimes cooperating, sometimes competing, without needing or wanting anyone to “summarize the science” as the IPCC claims to do.
And given the lack of progress shown by the “Most Boring Graph” at the top of this post, I’d say that the world should never again put a bunch of United Nations pluted bloatocrats in charge of anything to do with science. If we had set up an “Intergovernmental Panel on DNA Analysis” when the field was new, you can be certain that long ago the field would have gone uselessly haring down blind alleys lined by nonsensical claims that “97% of DNA scientists agree” …
Over at Dr. Judith Curry’s excellent blog, someone asked me the other day what I didn’t like about the IPCC. I replied:
Here are some of the major reasons. I have more.
First, it assumes a degree of scientific agreement which simply doesn’t exist. Most people in the field, skeptics included, think the earth is warming and humans may well have an effect on it. But the agreement ends there. How much effect, and how, and for how long, those and many other questions have little agreement.
Second, it is corrupt, as shown inter alia by the Jesus Paper.
Third, it generally ignores anything which might differ from climate science revealed wisdom.
Fourth, it is driven by politics, not by science. Certain paragraphs and conclusions have been altered or removed because of political objections.
Fifth, in an attempt to be inclusive of developing countries, it includes a number of very poor scientists.
Sixth, any organization that ends up with Rajendra Pachauri as its leader is very, very sick.
Seventh, they’ve ignored actual uncertainty and replaced it with a totally subjective estimate of uncertainty.
Eighth, it lets in things like the Hockeystick paper and the numerous “Stick-alikes” despite them being laughably bad science.
Ninth, it makes “projections” that have little to no relationship to the real world, like Representative Concentration Pathway 8.5 (RCP 8.5).
Tenth, it generally excludes skeptics of all types, either directly or because skeptics know better than to associate with such an organization.
Eleventh, anyone making “projections” that go out to the year 2100 is blowing smoke up your fundamental orifice.
Twelveth, it is far, far too dependent on untested, unverified, unvalidated climate models.
Thirteenth, the IPCC generally thinks without thinking about it that warming is bad, bad, bad … which is the opposite of the actual effects of the warming since the Little Ice Age.
Fourteenth, the IPCC was given the wrong task at its inception. Rather than setting out to find what actually controls the climate, it was given the task of finding out how much CO2 we could emit before it became dangerous. That tasking assumed a whole host of things which have never been established.
Fifteenth … aw, heck, that’s enough. I have more if you are interested.
So … that’s the climate Picasso Problem. The field of climate science is trying to use computers to find an answer to the wrong question, and as a result, the field is going nowhere.
[UPDATE]
In the comments below, someone brought up the following graphic of recent estimates of climate sensitivity and said that it showed I was wrong about the climate sensitivity.

Here is my answer from below:
Thanks, David. The discrepancy in your first graph is much more apparent than real. Here are the recent ECS estimates overlaid on the Charney/IPCC data:

As you can see, the only ones outside the IPCC uncertainty limits are the estimates at 5 & 6 °C per doubling of CO2.
Here’s a boxplot of the recent estimates

The recent estimates are not at all unusual given the Charney/IPCC estimates.
Finally, you still haven’t grasped the nettle. The surface temperature is NOT a function of the forcing. For example, in large areas of the Pacific, the surface temperature controls the amount of sunshine. Here’s a plot showing that result.

Correlation between the solar radiation at the surface, and the surface temperature. This is calculated on a 1° x 1° gridcell basis.
Now, the areas in green and blue are areas in which, as the temperature goes UP, the amount of sunshine hitting the ground goes DOWN.
So here’s the question. What is the “climate sensitivity” in those areas?
The answer, of course, is that in such a situation the entire concept of climate sensitivity goes out the window. In those areas, the temperature is NOT a function of the forcing, linear or otherwise. Instead, in those areas, the forcing is a function of the temperature.
That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. The fundamental idea underlying modern climate science is incorrect—temperature is NOT a function of forcing.
So yes, people can calculate the putative “climate sensitivity” and get various answers … but it is a meaningless quest, and the results carry no weight at all.
My best to you,
w.
Here, we’re still in haze and smoke from the Camp Fire, and the number of fatalities is over seventy. I’m wearing an N95 mask when I go outside. Here’s the latest smoke map … Anthony Watts is up in Chico, in the bright red spot at the top, over 100 micrograms per cubic metre of smoke. I’m near the coast to the west of Santa Rosa, north of San Francisco, where it’s much better but still bad.

Keep a good thought over the fire victims, it’s hard times for all.
My best wishes to every one,
w.
PS—As usual, I ask that when you comment, please quote the exact words you are discussing, so we can all understand both who and what you are replying to.
FURTHER READING: These are some of my posts explaining my hypothesis regarding why the global temperature is so stable, and providing evidence for the hypothesis
The Thermostat Hypothesis 2009-06-14
Abstract: The Thermostat Hypothesis is that tropical clouds and thunderstorms actively regulate the temperature of the earth. This keeps the earth at a equilibrium temperature.
Which way to the feedback? 2010-12-11
There is an interesting new study by Lauer et al. entitled “The Impact of Global Warming on Marine Boundary Layer Clouds over the Eastern Pacific—A Regional Model Study” [hereinafter Lauer10]. Anthony Watts has discussed some early issues with the paper here. The Lauer10 study has been controversial because it found that…
The Details Are In The Devil 2010-12-13
I love thought experiments. They allow us to understand complex systems that don’t fit into the laboratory. They have been an invaluable tool in the scientific inventory for centuries. Here’s my thought experiment for today. Imagine a room. In a room dirt collects, as you might imagine. In my household…
Further Evidence for my Thunderstorm Thermostat Hypothesis 2011-06-07
For some time now I’ve been wondering what kind of new evidence I could come up with to add support to my Thunderstorm Thermostat hypothesis (q.v.). This is the idea that cumulus clouds and thunderstorms combine to cap the rise of tropical temperatures. In particular, thunderstorms are able to drive…
It’s Not About Feedback 2011-08-14
The current climate paradigm believed by most scientists in the field can be likened to the movement of balls on a pool table. Figure 1. Pool balls on a level table. Response is directly proportional to applied force (double the force, double the distance). There are no “preferred” positions—every position…
Estimating Cloud Feedback From Observations 2011-10-08
I had an idea a couple days ago about how to estimate cloud feedback from observations, and it appears to have panned out well. You tell me. Figure 1. Month-to-month change in 5° gridcell actual temperature ∆T, versus gridcell change in net cloud forcing ∆F. Curved green lines are for…
Sun and Clouds are Sufficient 2012-06-04
In my previous post, A Longer Look at Climate Sensitivity, I showed that the match between lagged net sunshine (the solar energy remaining after albedo reflections) and the observational temperature record is quite good. However, there was still a discrepancy between the trends, with the observational trends being slightly larger…
Forcing or Feedback? 2012-06-07
I read a Reviewer’s Comment on one of Richard Lindzen’s papers today, a paper about the tropics from 20°N to 20°S, and I came across this curiosity (emphasis mine): Lastly, the authors go through convoluted arguments between forcing and feed backs. For the authors’ analyses to be valid, clouds should…
A Demonstration of Negative Climate Sensitivity 2012-06-19
Well, after my brief digression to some other topics, I’ve finally been able to get back to the reason that I got the CERES albedo and radiation data in the first place. This was to look at the relationship between the top of atmosphere (TOA) radiation imbalance and the surface…
The Tao of El Nino 2013-01-28
I was wandering through the graphics section of the TAO buoy data this evening. I noted that they have an outstanding animation of the most recent sixty months of tropical sea temperatures and surface heights. Go to their graphics page, click on “Animation”. Then click on “Animate”. When the new…
Emergent Climate Phenomena 2013-02-07
In a recent post, I described how the El Nino/La Nina alteration operates as a giant pump. Whenever the Pacific Ocean gets too warm across its surface, the Nino/Nina pump kicks in and removes the warm water from the Pacific, pumping it first west and thence poleward. I also wrote…
Slow Drift in Thermoregulated Emergent Systems 2013-02-08
In my last post, “Emergent Climate Phenomena“, I gave a different paradigm for the climate. The current paradigm is that climate is a system in which temperature slavishly follows the changes in inputs. Under my paradigm, on the other hand, natural thermoregulatory systems constrain the temperature to vary within a…
Air Conditioning Nairobi, Refrigerating The Planet 2013-03-11
I’ve mentioned before that a thunderstorm functions as a natural refrigeration system. I’d like to explain in a bit more detail what I mean by that. However, let me start by explaining my credentials as regards my knowledge of refrigeration. The simplest explanation of my refrigeration credentials is that I…
Dehumidifying the Tropics 2013-04-21
I once had the good fortune to fly over an amazing spectacle, where I saw all of the various stages of emergent phenomena involving thunderstorms. It happened on a flight over the Coral Sea from the Solomon Islands, which are near the Equator, south to Brisbane. Brisbane is at 27°…
Decadal Oscillations Of The Pacific Kind 2013-06-08
The recent post here on WUWT about the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has a lot of folks claiming that the PDO is useful for predicting the future of the climate … I don’t think so myself, and this post is about why I don’t think the PDO predicts the climate…
The Magnificent Climate Heat Engine 2013-12-21
I’ve been reflecting over the last few days about how the climate system of the earth functions as a giant natural heat engine. A “heat engine”, whether natural or man-made, is a mechanism that converts heat into mechanical energy of some kind. In the case of the climate system, the…
The Thermostatic Throttle 2013-12-28
I have theorized that the reflective nature of the tropical clouds, in particular those of the inter-tropical convergence zone (ITCZ) just above the equator, functions as the “throttle” on the global climate engine. We’re all familiar with what a throttle does, because the gas pedal on your car controls the…
On The Stability and Symmetry Of The Climate System 2014-01-06
The CERES data has its problems, because the three datasets (incoming solar, outgoing longwave, and reflected shortwave) don’t add up to anything near zero. So the keepers of the keys adjusted them to an artificial imbalance of +0.85 W/m2 (warming). Despite that lack of accuracy, however, the CERES data is…
Dust In My Eyes 2014-02-13
I was thinking about “dust devils”, the little whirlwinds of dust that you see on a hot day, and they reminded me that we get dulled by familiarity with the wonders of our planet. Suppose, for example, you that “back in the olden days” your family lived for generations in…
The Power Stroke 2014-02-27
I got to thinking about the well-known correlation of El Ninos and global temperature. I knew that the Pacific temperatures lead the global temperatures, and the tropics lead the Pacific, but I’d never looked at the actual physical
Albedic Meanderings 2015-06-03
I’ve been considering the nature of the relationship between the albedo and temperature. I have hypothesized elsewhere that variations in tropical cloud albedo are one of the main mechanisms that maintain the global surface temperature within a fairly narrow range (e.g. within ± 0.3°C during the entire 20th Century). To…
An Inherently Stable System 2015-06-04
At the end of my last post , I said that the climate seems to be an inherently stable system. The graphic below shows ~2,000 climate simulations run by climateprediction.net. Unlike the other modelers, whose failures end up on the cutting room floor, they’ve shown all of the runs ……
The Daily Albedo Cycle 2015-06-08
I discussed the role of tropical albedo in regulating the temperature in two previous posts entitled Albedic Meanderings and An Inherently Stable System. This post builds on that foundation. I said in the latter post that I would discuss the diurnal changes in tropical cloud albedo. For this I use…
Problems With Analyzing Governed Systems 2015-08-02
I’ve been ruminating on the continuing misunderstanding of my position that a governor is fundamentally different from simple feedback. People say things like “A governor is just a kind of feedback”. Well, yes, that’s true, and it is also true that a human being is “just…
Cooling And Warming Clouds And Thunderstorms 2015-08-18
Following up on a suggestion made to me by one of my long-time scientific heroes, Dr. Fred Singer, I’ve been looking at the rainfall dataset from the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite. Here’s s the TRMM average rainfall data for the entire mission to d…
Tropical Evaporative Cooling 2015-11-11
I’ve been looking again into the satellite rainfall measurements from the Tropical Rainfall Measurement Mission (TRMM). I discussed my first look at this rainfall data in a post called Cooling and Warming, Clouds and Thunderstorms. There I showed that the cooling from th…
How Thunderstorms Beat The Heat 2016-01-08
I got to thinking again about the thunderstorms, and how much heat they remove from the surface by means of evaporation. We have good data on this from the Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellites. Here is the distribution and strength of rainfall, and thus …
Where the Temperature Rules The Sun
I’ve held for a long time that there is a regulatory mechanism in the tropics that keeps the earth’s temperature within very narrow bounds on average (e.g. ± 0.3°C over the 20th Century). This mechanism is the timing and amount of the daily emergence of the cumulus cloud field, and the timing and emergence of thunderstorms.
Where the Temperature Rules The Total Surface Absorption
Reflecting upon my previous post, Where The Temperature Rules The Sun, I realized that while it was valid, it was just about temperature controlling downwelling solar energy via cloud variations. However, it didn’t cover total energy input …

You’ve got to be very careful what questions you ask a computer, even a very big computer.
“Even the best computer can’t give you the right answer unless you ask it the right question.”
You beat me to it. I was going to say Douglas Adams came to the same conclusion.
Interesting… on my iPhone X using Safari with the most recent iOS, and in MS Edge, I see the full-size preview of the Monty Python clip, but in Comodo Dragon, all I see is a big white space, and no amount of clicking in that white space produces a response. Since Edge is an even worse browser than Internet Explorer (IMNSHO), I would like to keep using what I’m using, is there a setting I can change in Comodo Dragon to make it show up?
Hunh… now I see it in Comodo Dragon, also. I don’t think I changed anything.
That was the first thing I thought of, but I guessed someone else would have got it in before me.
Utter stagnation…
Stands in sharp contrast with this…
And this…
http://notrickszone.com/2017/10/16/recent-co2-climate-sensitivity-estimates-continue-trending-towards-zero/
And this…
https://judithcurry.com/2016/04/25/updated-climate-sensitivity-estimates/
Supposedly, the IPCC reports are based on the up-to-date peer reviewed work… Yet their climate sensitivity estimates appear to ignore the most recent observation-based sensitivity estimates.
Royer et al., 2004 asserts that CO2 has been a primary climate driver throughout the Phanerozoic Eon. Royer compares a pH-corrected Phanerozoic temperature reconstruction to Berner’s GEOCARB III. The “odd” thing is that they didn’t cross-plot temperature and CO2. The two datasets have the same resolution (~10 million years).
Phanerozoic CO2 vs temperature (unlabeled x-axis is in millions of years before present)…
It yields a climate sensitivity of 1.28 °C. Royer’s pH corrections were derived from CO2; so it shouldn’t be too much of a surprise that the correlation was so good (R² = 0.6701). If CO2 is a climate driver on a geologic time scale, it’s at 1.28 °C per doubling. Oddly enough, this is very much inline with recent observation-based estimates.
David, I dug into this. The reason AR5 did not give a central ECS estimate (unlike AR4) was because of the growing discrepancy between observational and. Limate model estimates.
Thanks, David. The discrepancy in your first graph is much more apparent than real. Here are the recent ECS estimates overlaid on the Charney/IPCC data:
As you can see, the only ones outside the IPCC uncertainty limits are the estimates at 5 & 6 °C per doubling of CO2. Here’s a boxplot of the recent estimates
The estimates are not at all unusual given the Charney/IPCC estimates.
Finally, you still haven’t grasped the nettle. The surface temperature is NOT a function of the forcing. For example, in large areas of the Pacific, the surface temperature controls the amount of sunshine. Here’s a plot showing that result.
Correlation between the solar radiation at the surface, and the surface temperature. This is calculated on a 1° x 1° gridcell basis.
Now, the areas in green and blue are areas in which, as the temperature goes UP, the amount of sunshine hitting the ground goes DOWN.
So here’s the question. What is the “climate sensitivity” in those areas?
The answer, of course, is that in such a situation the entire concept of climate sensitivity goes out the window. In those areas, the temperature is NOT a function of the forcing, linear or otherwise. Instead, in those areas, the forcing is a function of the temperature.
That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. The fundamental idea underlying modern climate science is incorrect—temperature is NOT a function of forcing.
So yes, people can calculate the putative “climate sensitivity” and get various answers … but it is a meaningless quest, and the results carry no weight at all.
My best to you,
w.
I wish you had included this in the article, rather than as a comment attached later. I almost missed it. I think you have affirmed what has been wandering around in my noggin for some months now, Trenberth’s “Global Energy Flows Wm-2” is a complete crock, produced only to make his equations work out and completely disconnected from reality. His “Back Radiation” is a quantity not found in heat transfer, but more importantly, he fantasizes “Thermals” as only 17 Wm-2, and “Evapo-transpiration” as 80 Wm-2 (there is a cloud graphic with “Latent Heat 80” in it, which I’m assuming is the same 80?).
Willis has given very convincing arguments that the Earth’s temperature is controlled, at least locally, by what he terms Emergent Phenomenon, i.e., that afternoon thunderstorm and other such events, so besides the imaginary figure “Back Radiation”, the number for Thermals and Evapotranspiration I think are both way wrong. I would like to redo that graphic with the real numbers, but I don’t know how to collect the data. I think someone somewhere has attempted a calculation of the energy transported by a thunderstorm, I know I have (occasionally) seen such numbers for a hurricane, and I also believe I have seen a number purported as the average number of thunderstorms that exist on this planet at any given point in time? So some simple arithmetic can turn those figures into numbers that convey the real picture. I believe that any insulation effect (that’s the correct term to give it, in Heat Transfer terms) provided by “GHG”s is overcome by Emergent Phenomena simply punching a hole in the atmosphere and providing the elevator to space to reject massive amounts of heat as necessary. Can anyone correct the picture?
Red94ViperRT10 November 18, 2018 at 3:46 pm
Done. Thanks for the push.
w.
Willis, I have read many articles trying to explain the flaws surrounding the current climate change science. However this article is the best by far that I have read to put the arguments in such a clear and easy to read way. I have been waiting for such an article to be written so I can pass it on to my brainwashed pro climate change family to read so they can understand why I have strong doubts about many of the current widely held beliefs on climate change.
Sadly one just won’t read it. One did and said it still doesn’t show why a warmer planet is not bad for life on this planet. Silence from the others.
I keep saying to myself. Baby steps.
We must suspend disbelief that climate sensitivity would be independent of absolute CO2 concentration.
Also, curious how the ice age preceding the Permian Extinction only rates a -1 Δ C.
As some may recall, Dr. Svalgaard recently published a preprint paper with reconstruction of 9000 years of solar activity link
covering most of the holocene. Now I’m back at my pc I thought it might be interesting to compare with the temperature record, but since both are based on proxies the accuracy should be taken with a cartload of salt; further we go back in time there is a less agreement between the two.
You can see result here
(IMHO agreement is reasonable one during the last 2000 years except the short period around 700 AD)
(Typo corrected) MOD
typo last 2000 years
At the time I made a comment relating to the ’87 years periodicity’ appearing in the Dr. Svalgaard’s spectral analysis. I used a different method to the FFT (as used by Dr. Svalgaard) and found that there is a significant difference regarding the ’87 year periodicity; comparison of two analysis (limited to up to 1000 year periodicities) is here
correction: found that there is no significant difference
Over geologic time and even just during the lifetime of our species, Earth’s average temperature has fluctuated widely and wildly. Our planet has been covered in an ocean of molten rock and of solid water ice. And every climate state in between. Its average temperature has ranged from an estimated -50 degrees C to 25 and more.
Temperature change can also happen rapidly, as when coming out of long glacial intervals into interglacials, and between stadials and interstadials within glacial phases.
Despite the swing dampening effect of our water world’s oceans, its thermostat can still get rapidly turned up and down.
The Sun’s power increases about one percent per 110 million years. Despite this, the Paleozoic and our present Cenozoic Eras had ice ages but the intervening Mesozoic, not so much. And our current ice age is probably not over, despite the puny effect of humans on global climate.
Enjoy the Holocene interglacial while we can. Too bad we can’t get CO2 back up to its optimum of 1200 ppm from today’s low level of 400 ppm, which so suppresses C3 plant growth.
The Earth “has been covered in an ocean of molten rock” during the lifetime of man?
Enginer,
That isn’t what John said.
What do you expect from an engineer who can’t spell it? 😉
Hey, injenurs can’t spell at all – I was at least close.
And, Clyde, you are right – I misinterpreted what John wrote. Apologies.
I sometimes wonder about the period called “Snowball Earth”. The evidence for such is not entirely conclusive, and the first article about it that I read included the bizarre assertion,
which recent events relative to atmospheric CO2 levels and GAT as well as this article of Willis’ reveal as completely bogus. But that doesn’t completely disprove the “Snowball Earth” idea, however… I don’t know the resolution of their proxies, but is it possible the data is so coarse that interstadials similar to our current era are completely lost? Could it be that “Snowball Earth” was an Ice Age just like our current Ice Age, where much of the Earth is covered by glaciers most of the time, broken by the occasional periodic interstadial? And does this mean that this current Ice Age is not a new phenomenon at all, but simply returning to a state of Earth that existed for millions of years, millions of years in the past?
Willis,
You say that forcing is proportional to Downwelling Longwave (DLR), which is true.** DLR is indeed the the signature and cause of greenhouse warming, and therefore climate forcing.
You then talk about the sensitivity factor for increased forcing. But is DLR actually changing? From your graph (below) I see no change in DLR. And I have not found a graph or paper that shows increasing DLR. (Except for that famous one that found no DLR rise in the raw data, so they tortured the data until it screamed and ‘found’ some increase.)
But if DLR is not increasing, then surely any warming we have experienced is NOT due to greenhouse warming. Greenhouse warming is DLR, so no DLR increase means no greenhouse increase.
Is there a flaw in my logic…?
Ralph
** (Proportional to DLR and shortwave insolation. But since shortwave is not changing, DLR is the only variable.)
Good post Willis. Thank you. I look forward to the day when computers are tasked to answer this question: “How might the addition of non-condensing ‘greenhouse gases’ change the performance of the heat engine?” This analysis, to answer the question properly, would have to simulate such high-power-density small-scale events as thunderstorms. It seems reasonable to me to expect the performance to improve a bit, making one of the governor’s emergent mechanisms more effective.
Thanks Willis. This post pulls together results from many of your intriguing queries. It’s a razor-sharp cut to the quick. Occam would be proud.
It’s OK
Yeah yeah yeah, easy to say BUT, don’t lose any sleep over climate.
The job is in hand, a vast and totally un-assembled task force is working on it and inside probably one generation, certainly two, It Will All Be Over.
Your clue, think about it for a moment or two before reading on:
More nappies (diapers) are now being used on adults than on babies.
While you’re thinking, here’s some background:
1. Visit here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46200873
and *just* look at the 2nd picture (more than 1,000 words etc etc blah blah)
Yes, the one with the dead-beats, tramps, no-goods and losers.
Would it be naughty of me to suggest that they are an actual representation of the folks who legalised the weed? Just as doctors specify a ‘recommended alcohol intake’, they themselves being some of the folks entirely guilty of being ‘functioning alcoholics’
2. Visit the HuffPo here:
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/philip-alston-un-poverty-uk-findings_uk_5beec1cee4b0c19de3ff009b?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage
Describes how UK Government attempts to reduce poverty and save money have increased poverty while increasing the size and cost of the bureaucracy. I’d venture that Mr Trump is battling that exact same phenomenon.
3. From ‘Business Insider’ somewhere, sorry no direct link:
Any US parallels? My example would be Apple. Employed 25,000 people in the US designing stuff and 250,000 in China in *just one* (Foxxconn) factory actually making it
IOW, our Government, your Government (and their agencies) has made, is making and are making, A Total Hash of this Brexit thing and The Economy
4. Your biggest, bestest and final clue:
Why did Mrs May (a girl of the female variety in case you didn’t know or were too busy looking into your SUPER computer, driving your Fat Fifty pickup truck, counting your bit-coins or telling The World how big your d1ck is), Mrs May asked *her* minions at the Office of National Statistics to ask us lowly peasants serfs and lowlifes if we were or are in *any* way “Anxious”
(What a small haha world. Citalopram is (in the UK) prescribed for ‘anxiousness’ with the side effect of making your willy big. Ain’t science wonderful. Boy Science that is.)
Geddit now?
Here we are, try to ignore the rising yields of barley and read/digest this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46118103
The girls are putting the brakes on it
They have *tried* to drop hints, with headaches, crabby short tempered behaviour, feminism, short fat ugliness (that’s what eating sugar does, as a poor-woman’s cure for anxiousness) and they have and continue to do in ever greater numbers, call in the lawyers to level charges against The Boys of ‘Unreasonable Behaviour’
Those things I listed above are examples of that.
But The Boys, convinced of their cleverness, in the fields of science, medicine and machines not least, have belligerently blundered on and on and on. They have not and still not, Got The Hint.
Constantly telling themselves that ‘Things Have Never Been Better” and using crazily mendacious mathematics (statistics) to prove it. As we know and see here constantly.
What went wrong? Why are the girls ceasing production?
Unreasonable Behaviour.
And that is:
The boys have trampled the idea of ‘Romance’ and shredded the pieces of paper they signed at their wedding ceremonies. The boys have NOT shared all they have but primarily, they broke the rules of Romance.
That especially being:
Boys give girls quality stuff and girls, in return, give the boys immortality, in the shape/form of ‘babies’
Modern day horrifying as it is, that Romantic Stuff did actually used to be the still-warm live and or brains of a critter that The Boy has spent some considerable time & effort to hunt down and catch.
IOW:
Fat. Saturated fat
Mention this to any modern girl, that they, in common with all mammalian creatures are, ‘Fat processing entities’ and you will get a (playful) slap. They know it better than anyone, you ‘just don’t mention it’
here is the breakdown of The Romantic Bargain. Boys are now delivering a tasteless, nutrient-free, mind-bending and addictive alternative.
Sugar. Refined or as cooked starch.
They Boys are starving The Girls.
Then boys tell the girls to starve their babies with Formula Baby Milk out of a tin while the girl (mother) is required to go out to work. Then, insult to injury, all the girl’s financial rewards are taken in baby care charges or inflated housing costs – so as to satiate ever growing numbers of Government Cronies in the financial services industry.
Who now tell us that the UK is a Financial Wasteland.
Fan Tas Tic
Hence where we came in with the nappies.
It doesn’t actually matter which end of the body you put the nappy on, wrap around the ar5eor the head, both are full of shyte and sugar is it.
And the fat processors (the girls) know that and are calling a halt.
They would rather not even produce a baby than see it turned into an arrogant tantrum throwing infant up to age 5, a brain dead no-good zombie age 15 to 50 as per Canadia in the BBC link or a complete cabbage requiring a nappy at both ends from age 55+.
Ehrlich’s prediction has come true and is playing out in real time now as we speak. Climate Science is just one tiny little manifestation.
And the boys, seemingly, don’t want to know. They go off and distrat themselves and anyone who will listen with junk science, crap computers, stupid smartphones, fake news, big bombs and myriad other toys and tat, convinced that greater amounts of such junk is sure proof of “Things never better”
How wrong could you possibly be?
Of course, you could ask a girl, but such is the mess we now have, wouldn’t/couldn’t understand the answer
Sad innit
Thus and inside a generation, there will be more bureaucrats, cronies and nappy wearing old-folks than workers, peasants and serfs to support them – the girls’ present-day (in)action will be bringing the house down.
Sections of Government actually know that.
And what do they do?
Create more bureaucrats , more regulations and ever greater taxes.
Simple Flat-out and Outright Insanity.
But that’s what eating sugar does, destroys sanity.
(Just like cannabis. Enjoy that spliff while you still can)
liver
I do talk a lot don’t I?
Not all I do, read here and laugh:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/14/prescribing-music-dementia-modern-ills-loneliness-obesity
A non-chemical and side-effect free source of Dopamine.
Too late for Canadia and most the US by the looks
“But that’s what eating sugar does, destroys sanity.”
You must eat a LOT of sugar.
Climate science is far more driven, and therefore funded, by ideology than by science. On the topic of sensitivity, the most important sensitivity being researched is that of plausible justification to impose socialistic solutions. Notice the continual parade of downright wacky things we must urgently fret about being run up the flagpole. And notice their half-lives in the media. Any issue that gets traction gets funding and becomes useful to politicians adept at pandering. I was done being played long ago.
Could it be that “climate sensitivity” is both a constant AND a variable?
You gave the analogy of a car’s cruise control and how well it governed speed over hill and dale. But the speed value chosen for the cruise control to maintain is a variable — it is moved up or down by a human driver. So does our climate have a similar driver which (who?) occasionally adjusts the target speed?
Can anyone provide a clear factual evaluation of this web site ?
https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
A family member suggested this in reply y\to WWUWT…
I have already worked out it is another “Humans are Killing the Planet’ propaganda web site..but it is curious how the title is “skeptical science”
That website is not Sceptical and it’s not Science. They are founded by a cartoonist and made their name by fabricating the 97% of scientists believe in something lie. From that they were given free rein at the Guardian Environment blog. Until they were eventually sacked by the Guardian for ruining the Guardian’s reputation for integrity.
Let’s look at some of their opinions:
Climate has changed before. GHG changes have moved in line with temperature changed but GHG changes have followed the temperature. As a non-science blog the concept of causality doesn’t rear its head. But rational people ought to think twice. It’s a circular argument to say “Now it’s man and then it wasn’t because now its man”. Indeed, even that website admits that CO2 change follows temperature change. And they say that causes a positive feedback. Ask why the first natural forest fire didn’t cause a runaway warming?
Is it the Sun? Arguing it isn’t something else doesn’t argue it is man. Why bother doing that? Because they can’t argue that it is man. The reason being that the climate is chaotic. There doesn’t need to be any discernible driver to make the climate change state. All they have is assertion and “look, it’s not a squirrel”.
It’s not bad? Well, is it? Or are we talking about hay might happen in the future?
There is no consensus? There clearly is a consensus that no political action needs to be taken. Every state and corporation has decided to not take the actions required by the IPCC. Is this a global conspiracy? Of course not. It’s just not proven to be required. Note also, consensus is a political argument. Were this a science blog they would put forward scientific arguments.
It’s cooling? Over what time period? It’s warmer than the 70s. Cooler than the Eamian. And what does this have to do with man?
Models are unreliable? Yes. They are. If they were right we would need only one. They are tuned on the past record and then all diverge rapidly. Remember, models are hypotheses written in computer code. They are not observations.
Temperature record is unreliable? That’s what climatologists keep telling us. They keep re-calculating the temperature records. Why would the past need to change if it was reliable?
Will the change be so sudden that evolution can’t occur? That’s the question. So far, the answer is obviously no. But will there be a sudden science-fiction-style change as described by this website and Hollywood? Maybe. No evidence for it yet , though.
But why take my word for it. Discuss these arguments and the others open-mindedly with your family member. Work it out for yourselves. I am confident that this website will not stand up to any scrutiny. It doesn’t.
See also Willis Eschenbach’s last post. He is right about the failure of climate science to make any progress. That ought to be a red flag. He doesn’t even mention that the inputs (thermometer records, satellites, buoys) have all improved too. There is a reason why Ufology, Cryptozoology and Climatology have not made any progress. There is a reason why they are the least respected fields.
Why do you get a large number of Climate Change Sceptics and not Relativity Sceptics? Because Relativity is not junk science.
Those of us who have knowledge and experience of computers know that von Neumann nailed it.
“With four parameters I can fit an elephant and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
Believe nothing out of a computer until you know the variables and the assumptions.
To me it seems the relevance is to mathematical equations and not computers.
That’s a fair criticism.
Substitute “computer models” for “computers” and you arrive at the same place.
Nice post, but I have one quibble: you may want to consider revisiting your definition of “forcing.”
My understanding of the IPCC definition is that the forcing associated with a given CO2-concentration change is, if we ignore a few complicating details, the initial top-of-the-atmosphere radiation imbalance that that suddenly changing the concentration by that amount at equilibrium would cause. (Okay, it’s actually “the change in net (down minus up) irradiance (solar plus longwave; in W m–2) at the tropopause after allowing for stratospheric temperatures to readjust to radiative equilibrium, but with surface and tropospheric temperatures and state held fixed at the unperturbed values.”)
I’m open to being convinced otherwise, but at first blush that doesn’t seem to equal the change in “total downwelling radiation.”
Willis wrote about IPCC forcing definitions here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/12/the-forcing-conundrum/
Thanks.
At least to the extent that I understand what he’s saying, Mr. Eschenbach’s alternative definition seems problematic. But that’s a tangent (and involves math), so there’s not much point here in going into why.
Thanks Willis. It seems the IPCC is desperately clinging to Arrhenius’ early work where he proposed a sensitivity of 3-4.5°C per doubling, by later conceded to 1.5°C per doubling, which just isn’t scary enough to warrant the billions pissed away on this nonsense.
The IPCC need be put in Reagan’s frame of reference, ‘We’re from the government, and we’re here to help’.
“The central paradigm of modern climate science is that if you change the amount of downwelling radiation (forcing), that the surface temperature perforce will change. The claim is that everything else averages out, and if the forcing increases, then surface temperature needs to change to maintain the global energy balance. It has to change. It must.
In short, the central paradigm of modern climate science is the following:
In the long run, global temperature change is proportional to global forcing change.
The putatively constant proportion between the two, which is the temperature change divided by forcing change, is called the “climate sensitivity”. “
Indeed. How could these people understand when they do not understand the changes brought about by the action of latent heat within clouds, ice, and snow, or the scattering of IR within the atmosphere.
Also why should nature ‘average out’, if man did not use coal then when would the natural process of making coal ‘average out’? Burning peat and coal releases the ancient solar energy restoring the balance, eh? 🙂
Nature does not have to ‘average out’ — ever!
“…My trusty PowerMac has more computing ability than most universities had available in 1979…”
FWIW, even five years ago, your _cell phone_ had more computing ability than the fastest computer in the world in 1980 (using LinPack as the measure).
“The entire field of United Nations bureaucracy has been trying to conjure a global nuthin-burger since1988.” – UN IPCC.
“So regarding climate science, what is the wrong question, and what is the right question? Once again, please allow me to get side-tractored a bit.” ? Is like side tracked ?
Great essay as always Willis.
Yes Marcus. Willis likes to do his own takes on American idiom. Nothing wrong with that, except for those not so attuned.
In point 5 against the IPCC, it is argued that it includes poor scientists because of the intent to include developing countries. This is a mischaracterization that gives the IPCC far too much credit, implying that developed nations are sending quality scientists to honestly look at the issue.
The reality is that voting membership in the IPCC is not a position for scientists at all. They are actually tasked being representatives of their governments, editing the words of scientists to match the desires of of the politicians that assign them. The only requirement for membership a willingness to meet at a resort location roughly twice per year and push for whatever statements will get them assigned to the next trip.
“They are actually tasked being representatives of their governments”
More precisely, of the environmental departments of their governments. that’s who nominates its IGPOCC representatives and SFP representatives.
Both measured changes in air temperature (a few meters above the surface) and water temperature (a few meters below the surface) are not the best measures of energy transfer (between water and air) at the surface of tropical oceans. A better measure is change in dew point because the process of evaporation is endothermic (the surface is cooled) and the energy transfer to evaporate water is much greater than that for heating air. The temperature at the inter-face will tend to be at the dew-point (saturation – 100% humidity). There is a lot of energy transfer in tropical thunder storms (thermodynamic and kinetic). Radiation energy transfer within clouds is a minor factor. Radiation is “line of sight and speed of light”. That radiation occurs between the ocean surface and the bottom of clouds and between the the top of towering thunder clouds and space. There is a big differences between the dew points at these two locations. The processes of evaporation and condensation are your temperature regulating mechanisms.
Great Sunday morning read! Thanks, Willis.
It is hard to disagree that the Holocene temperature has shown an amazing degree of stability. Even so, the periods of warmth and cold have had a significant effect on human development.
Given the clear data on the modern warm period, the little ice age, the medieval warm period, etc going back in time, there has to be a forcing mechanism driving the changes. I think Leif’s 9000-year sunspot chart holds part of the answer.
Longer-term, the 2.5 million years of the Pleistocene clearly shows a bi-stable distribution of earth’s climate that is best explained (currently) by planetary dynamics. Over 100s of million years, the earth has experienced even more significant changes in climate as evidenced by the geological data.
Your point about stability, which I agree with, is a short-run feature of the earth’s climate.
We know from their writings the agenda of the UN backers of the IPCC. It has nothing to do with science. Given the likely cooling in the years ahead due to low solar activity, the negative cycle of the AMO, and the steady decline in the earth’s magnetic field, the important question is whether the IPCC movement will be able to continue its march toward power. In my circle of acquaintances, there is no data that you can show them that will change their view that CO2 is destroying the earth. I am shocked at the “climate science” that is being taught in our public schools. No contrary voices are allowed. I have a bad feeling about where this is headed. I’m afraid that skeptics days are numbered. I forget which skeptic gave the presentation where he stated that after giving a talk at a conference that a physicist in the crowd spoke up and said that he was looking forward to the skeptic’s death so society could be rid of voices that doubted that humans were causing catastrophic climate change.
From the article: “I viewed the climate as a giant solar-driven heat engine, wherein the energy of the sun is converted into the ceaseless movement of the atmosphere and the ocean working against the brake of friction against the mountains and shores and the endless turbulent losses.”
That’s the way it looks to me, too. Until proven otherwise.
The UNIPCC started out with the assumption that humans and their CO2 production were causing the climate to change in ways it wouldn’t otherwise do, and set themselves the goal not of understanding how the climate works, but of proving that humans are somehow involved.
They were biased from the start. And they were biased and subverted science because they have a larger agenda in their minds: The control of human activities on the Earth by United Nations bureaucrats.
The term “forcing” is a carry over from the origins of the methods in use today. Mechanical structures, engineering were the first applications.
The “forcing” or “forcing terms” are “the agents of change” not necessarily a “force”.
Again Willis have contributed a eminently readable post. So Willis is about my age group and have worked with computers since the 60‘. He should know that the answer is 101010B. But we need a new version of Deep Thought to find the question (in a few MY).
Willis’ thoughts are to a large degree reasonable seen from the standpoint of my geophysics understanding. However, from my EE and signal processing standpoint he fails to come to the only reasonable conclusion. And that is that climate sensitivity (CS) is not a useful concept in the field of climate studies The same applies to the concept of feedback (FB). The main reason is that the equations governing the climate is FAR from linear (it is chaotic). Any attempt to measure CS or FB would almost surely give different values depending on the state of the climate at the time of measurement. The use of these words in climate science is a forlorn hope
of establishing climate science as a mathematically/numerical based endeavor.
Willis also refers to Shaviv who I respect (and when I met him in his office seems to have the same one I had when I was in Jerusalem in 71). But also he fails to draw the obvious conclusion from his boring graph that CS is not a useful concept in the context of the climate.
When will “scientists” stop spending $$$$$$$… on nonsensical words?
Question: If the science is settled and the temperature is related to the log (or ln) of CO2 concentration what will then happen to the earth when CO2 is eliminated from the atmosphere?
And as comment to the situation in California. I traveled to the NW US this late summer and got caught up in some of the fires raging in Origon and NCal. The western suburbs of Redding was quite interesting. Is forest fires a feature of big economies? The closest fire to where I live this year was in the NW part of the EU. I’m glad I’m part of an insignificant political unit. Take care and do as many do in WI and practice controlled reduction of fuel load.
Aurora Negra,
It may also be that CS is not a constant, but a non-linear variable that is part of the regulating mechanism.
The IPCC promotes three insidious things which stand out as central problems.
1) They believe the effect of warming is the cause of warming, and they don’t acknowledge the cause does not precede the effect for their theory. CO2 can’t logically do what they say as CO2 follows ocean temperature changes, not vice versa.
2) They utterly fail to understand the dominant solar influence, so when they tell everyone temperatures have risen since 1880, they fail to say the first three solar cycles were very weak, followed by the modern solar maximum. They ignore the glaring solar energy forcing discrepancy over time.
3) They falsely attribute warming to DWLR, when the OLR tells a different story. OHC drives OLR, and insolation/TSI drives OHC. Central Pacific OLR is a mirror image of equatorial OHC. This all gets to the wrongness of Trenberth’s energy budget scenario.
Willis’ evaporation hypothesis fits inside my solar work like a glove, which I mentioned here a few times a few years ago, that the evaporation mechanism is a response to solar activity over time.
The unstated implication here is that evaporation and clouds are the main mechanism. Evaporation nor clouds are the driver of climate change; clouds are an effect of solar warming.
I haven’t seen Willis attempt to discern the relative difference in warming/cooling effects between ocean OLR vs evaporation effects. Attributing all ocean cooling to evaporation would be as wrong as pinning it all on OLR.
We know that clouds aren’t being generated everywhere, so OLR dominates in those areas, and in the tropics, clouds clear up or move on, leaving OLR in charge again, which quite dynamically.
As nice as Willis’ work is on this is, it’s not the end-all be-all to climate change, and if people still refuse to see and acknowledge the solar cycle influence over all these factors, I fear the Willis brigade will continue to bound off like happy puppies not knowing where his hypothesis fits in with the bigger picture.
The IPCC is full of self-deluded people hell-bent on not accepting or telling the truth. I recommend the US government work towards disbanding it, cutting all funding.