Guest essay by Eric Worrall
You would think after past embarrassments climate scientists would have learned not to trust model predictions that snowfall will soon be a thing of the past.
Global warming melts hopes of a white Christmas in Ireland
A leading climatologist has some bad news for snow-lovers
By Nick Bramhill
14:31, 12 NOV 2017
The prospect of Ireland waking up to a white Christmas is becoming more and more unlikely every year, according to a leading climatologist.
Prof John Sweeney said that Ireland can expect increasingly warmer winters due to global warming, resulting in less snowfall in the traditionally coldest months of the year.
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He said: “The projections are for Ireland to warm by 1C by mid-Century, and we’re looking at both warmer summers and winters.
“We’ll always get snow in the uplands and mountains, but we’ll start to see less snow in the lowland areas in the coming years, and that means we’ll get fewer and fewer white Christmases. Let’s put it this way, if I were a betting man I wouldn’t be putting any money on there being snowfall on Christmas Day. It’s getting less likely each year.”
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Read more: http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/global-warming-melts-hopes-white-11509570
We no longer seem to have so many of the kind of special moments when scientists and advocates predict snow will end in 10 years, but even the middle of the century is drawing uncomfortably close to being falsifiable on a reasonable timescale.
Of course, climate scientists can trot out predictions that global warming will cause heavier snowfalls when the inevitable blockbuster winter hits, to demonstrate they were right all along.
Update (EW): h/t Michael Jankowski – bookies have just slashed the odds of an Irish White Christmas in Dublin, with experts predicting one of the coldest winters ever.
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A snow famine ?
Not .
Not a ‘snow famine’ SOB, just an intellectual one. Same old, same old.
That-sno-famine…it’s a brainwreck
I was brought up in Scotland, just North of Glasgow, from 1966. I can’t recall ever having a white Christmas.
I moved to the SE of England which is roughly 3 or 4 degrees C warmer than Scotland, so no chance of a snowy Christmas.
In the winter of, I think 2009/2010 a friend of mine in the Aberdeen area endured almost 6 months of continuous snow. From memory, the only meaningful Christmas snows in our living memory of 50 or so years then.
We had it in the SE of England, not for nearly as long, and, unsurprisingly, still missed out on a white Christmas, although most of December and January brought snow.
Weather does some weird sh*t. I guess a Dickensian Christmas was around the Little Ice Age. All very romantic, assuming you have the money to keep yourself and your family warm.
And TBH, as much as I love snow, I would far rather it be a thing of the past, we had a warmer planet, and healthier people.
The Big Chill is here! Britain is colder than Russian Arctic as three-week freeze arrives with -7C cold and England’s first snow (and there are ALREADY fears we’ll run out of grit)
Britain faces a three-week Arctic cold spell with temperatures that will be colder than an parts of Russia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5074507/Britain-faces-three-week-arctic-freeze.html
It would help if there was a graph for a location actually showing a time series of when there was snow observed on Christmas Day.
It is called observational data. Geoff.
Latitude, you can rely on the DM for the annual grit panic.
Hot Scot, we had snow on Christmas Day that year 2009. It was darned cold too; -13C around Worcester though milder around Brum. Sliding on ice in Cumbria where snow had packed, melted and frozen again.
I remember a Christmas Day in Reading when it snowed in the evening.
The Irish might feel milder as they benefit from the Gulf Stream.
I doubt that anywhere in the British Isles at near sea level has had many, or any, white Christmases in fifty years. It might be worth checking the very hard winters of 1947 and 1963 for a white Christmas. Christmas is typically mild: fit for a pleasant afternoon walk.
By the way, is the SE of England roughly 3 or 4 degrees C warmer than Glasgow in December? Not where I live, I think.
Prof John Sweeny said, “Ireland can expect increasingly warmer winters… resulting in less snowfall in the coldest months of the year.”
…and Irish everywhere rejoice!
Meanwhile in Dublin Airport hallway the band pays on…
https://youtu.be/g5YFxklKsvc
AT the other end of the same planet, on an island about the same size and with significant Irish settlement (‘forced’ or otherwise) there as also excellent snow this winter juts gone. In fact we had some excellent spring snow in mid October. Those bloody Irish! Talk about the troubles! Why can’t they just agree with ‘the concensus’?
First a potato famine, then a Snow Famine. At least they don’t need to eat the snow.
Especially yellow snow
Great Googley-moogley!
If the probability of snow on Christmas day was less than 50% in the past 50 years or so, that would be a good bet regardless of climate change. In other words, so what?
I’ve seen predictions of 50% chance of below average often, unless its temperature in which case its always 50% chance of higher than average.
There is a 100% chance of snow on Christmas Day. The only question is where.
First of all, define a white xmas. Then realise that the UK gets one of those about 7 times in 100 years.
Snow on your boots.
I recall an old joke about an Irish grandmother whose horse was guaranteed to always come in last to which her attitude was “Yes, but I got great odds”.
If anywhere in the world could use 3 or 4 degrees of global warming it would be Ireland!
“July is the hottest month in Dublin with an average temperature of 16°C (60°F) and the coldest is January at 5°C (41°F) with the most daily sunshine hours at 6.3 in May. The wettest month is August with an average of 80mm of rain.”
People are just laughing at this clown.
I’m not so sure. My wife and I traveled there in late May 1997. Had a lot of the locals pointing out to us that the US didn’t sign up to Kyoto, and that was the reason why they were undergoing an unbearable heat spell. The high temps were on the news every morning.
Funny thing – we Americans were wearing t-shirts, flip-flops, and shorts. The locals were wearing shirts, jackets, long pants, etc.
They were smart. The high while we were there was a blistering 68 ° F. With the constantly blowing wind, it was a little uncomfortable. But the condemnation was hard to take. If it’s so hot, take off your jacket. But they really seemed to like it cold. I don’t think there was a snowbird among them.
A ‘blistering 68˚F’ love it.
Ah! but the gentle rain blowing in off the Atlantic is warm, so it is…
I was there for 2 weeks in July of 1990. Cloudless skies and mid-to-high 70’s all the time. Weird to see an entire nation with sunburn. I joked with the locals that I brought the weather with me from NJ and I’d have to take it back when I left. Sure enough, when I flew out the weather turned back to the 60’s and rainy.
Evidently the Irish don’t have access to the internet and can’t read the chart of the AMO and interpret its long term cycle or the north Atlantic Ccean time-depth-temperature chart from ARGO data re-posted at the following…..
http://climate4you.com/
….at the oceans section
I suppose it’s an Irish intellect famine now.
Or the Arctic oscillation and the polar vortex and all…….
http://www.aer.com/science-research/climate-weather/arctic-oscillation
Mac
Ah, you know him too, Charles. He is indeed a clown. Many things I am proud about being Irish, but he’s not one of them. He has his Butt well covered though with the whole ” less likely” bit. Less likely doesn’t mean it’s out of the question. So he can’t be called out if we get dumped on this Christmas. Hopefully more of his brethren will trot out his message though. Just so it’s not forgotten he said it. Might just take the smug condescending tone a while to resurface.
Eamon.
Snow is quite rare in the British isles due to the warmth of the surrounding seas. Ireland is further west and more susceptible to the mild Atlantic waters.
A place like Dublin! being on the coast, would only get a Christmas snow fall, briefly, on average every six years.
Here is an article giving the frequency of christmas snow falls which has seen the snow average bear up well in the modern era.
http://www.thejournal.ie/snow-ireland-facts-723323-Dec2012/
In England the temperature has been gently declining since the turn of the entry, although still at a relatively high level historically. I don’t know if the same is true of Ireland.
The myths of frequent snowy winters was promulgated by such as Charles dickens who lived through a particularly cold period of the intermittent little ice age.
Tonyb
Dickens lived – he died in 1870 – in a relatively warming period of the Little Ice Age.
Relatively warming -s o still pretty chilly.
And we can discuss when the LIA ended.
I have no opinion – merely noting that the 1930s were, pretty much, the same as the 1990s, although – using unfudged temperatures – perhaps a bit warmer.
[One i the eye for our Warmunista ‘Pals’.].
Smiles,
Auto
Dickens was born in 1812, during the Dalton Minimum, so most of his life and work occurred during the LIA. Arguably all of it, according to some datings.
But you’re right that as an adult, he never experienced the worst of the LIA.
Dickens’s writing is dominated not by the years he lived in as an adult, but the years of his childhood. I dare say that applied to weather too.
From “The Way of all Flesh”, Samuel Butler, written between 1873 and 1884, chapter III, referring to his younger days:
“In those days the snow lay longer and drifted deeper in the lanes than it does now, and the milk was sometimes brought in frozen in winter, and we were taken down into the back kitchen to see it. I suppose there are rectories up and down the country now where the milk comes in frozen sometimes in winter, and the children go down to wonder at it, but I never see any frozen milk in London, so I suppose the winters are warmer than they used to be.”
I live just to the SW of London and do remember going out in the morning and finding frozen milk. It used to be delivered in pint bottles with just some foil sealing it and a few times I went outside and the milk was about an inch higher than the bottle and one morning still had the foil perfectly in place. This was in the early 70’s
Hey Ireland! I’ve got one word for you … California. 2016 … RECORD SETTING SNOWPACK … in the middle of the “never-ending Global Warming drought” … as decreed by Gov. Jerry Brown
As someone who frequents the back country of the Sierra Nevada mountains once or twice per month during the summer, I can attest that what was left of the snow pack in September and October was the most I’ve ever seen, including 2011 when even more snow fell during the winter and an even larger fraction of the total fell during the Spring. Even the previous season, which was only a normal snow year, the late summer snow pack was more than usual. I’ve also noticed that the summer hiking hasn’t been as rough as it was in years past, largely because of cooler temperatures at high altitudes. I tend to believe my own senses, rather than models …
As Ronald Reagan said … “now there you go again” … using your own senses, life’s experiences, and history to undermine a “perfectly programmed” computer model. I have lived everyone of my 61 years in the State of CA … and have experienced/witnessed multiple droughts, and deluges. Last year (and 2011) were EXCEPTIONAL years. I drove around the lake in June … and the ploughed piles of snow were still stacked 6-12ft tall along each side of Hwy89 on the West side. I have NEVER seen that in June in all the years I have spent at Tahoe (going back to 1960). And I was still traversing snowfields deep into the summer whilst stalking the Rainbow and Brown trout in my favorite streams and meadows. And you CORRECTLY identified 2011 as a MASSIVE snowfall year … and let me add that 2015 was essentially a NORMAL snowfall year in the Central Sierra … by my count that was a 4-year drought. Meh. NORMAL for CA … totally NORMAL … yet the Climate LIARS kept stretching the drought alllllll the way into 2017. Effen LIARS
kenji,
Yes, last season was an exceptional snow year followed by a cooler than normal summer. There’s patch of snow off of 108 at about 9000 feet that I call June chute. It’s close to the road and a trivial hike, but usually burns out by late June or early July. This year, I skied it in August on my way back from skiing Mammoth. In early October before it started snowing again there was still some snow in it, but I headed towards Levitt Lake instead. More snow and steeper pitches … BTW, until they recently replaced the imagery, you could see my tracks in the google Earth satellite picture of the snow field I usually ski.
Is there some reason that these guys have a need to set themselves up for failure like this? I’ve been trying to understand what it is that drives them to do this, but beyond a desperate need for attention, I don’t get it.
How many winters has Ireland gone without snow in the lowlands? If it’s going go do this in Ireland – deprive the locals of Christmas Day snows (which are seldom predicted correctly anywhere) – then how will that affect Wales and Cornwall? Will if have an impact on Cornish beef pasties and figgy hobbin? Will the pubs be open or closed?
He’s talking about weather, not climate. I do wish that he and his “friends” would get their category straight.
1) The pubs will still be open.
2) Cornish beef pasties will still be delicious.
3) Figgy hobbins will still be awful.
Oh, I almost forgot 4) snow will still fall, except when it doesn’t.
I had to Google figgy hobbins. Apparently, they are sort of what American’s would call a raisin cookie. I love oatmeal raisin cookies, why wouldn’t I like figgy hobbins. BTW, if they are made with raisins, why do the Brits call them figgy?
[Better figgy hobbins than raisin’ hobbits. .mod]
mod is not being helpful.
In Cornwall, raisins and currants were often referred to as figs. Further to complicate matters, figs were called “broad raisins”. Don’t ask me why.
Figgie hobbins can also be made with currants.
My guess is, after a little research, …… that they were first made with figs, ……. like maybe 2,000+- years ago when the Romans were in Britain, …… and even though raisins are now the “dried fruit of choice”, the original name still persists in the language. To wit:
Oh, figgy hobbin is more like a strudel pastry with a filling of raisins and (in my case) chopped nuts. It’s served warm from the oven (or reheated in the microwave) with caramel sauce drizzled onto it and whipped cream as a topping. It’s really good if it’s done right.
They serve it as a dessert at the Red Rooster Inn in Mineral Point, Wisconsin, a town that was founded by Cornish hardrock miners imported from Cornwall for that purpose.
See, now I’m starving for a supper of beef pasty, a pot of hot tea, and a good helping of figgy hobbin.
How can one NOT like a gooey, sugary, desert like that ? How could that ever be considered awful?
Is there some reason that these guys have a need to set themselves up for failure like this?….
Sara, he’s a IPCC contributor…they have to toe the line or admit they were wrong
Oh, NOW I see. I did not know that! Thank you for the info!
I kind of do have a plan for when their lack of understanding backfires on them and they’re all out of things they take for granted. But that’s because I’m not dependent on ‘the store’ for stuff, and they are. I also cook. 🙂
Actually it is all about keeping the myth alive so that it can still be used as the boogie man to create world government and to compartmentalize humans into little, non interacting groups.
You can apparently actually bet on this sort of thing
https://www.joe.ie/news/irish-bookies-are-predicting-a-white-christmas-41225
But of course he’s “not a betting man.” He isn’t even staking his reputation. He’ll have excuses for it later.
He just moved the bet out to where he wouldn’t be alive…..he’s almost 60
Gotta love the Brits … you can BET on anything. Why you can even BET that BREXIT will FAIL … all the way up till the final count … ha ha … YOU LOSE, Marxists !
Is there any reason to associate Christmas with snow?
I mean, why are we so concerned about a Christmas without snow?
There’s no reason for me, except I have to chuckle a little bit about some Christmas carols.
All goes back to Dickens & A Christmas Carol.
Which was published towards the end of the LIA in 1843.
@rah
Almost all carols came from that time.
LIA is a good keyword.
Especially in the Southern hemisphere.
Yeah, but no one lives there.
http://www.rockyhigh66.org/stuff/aussie_map.png
Yes I do !!
It’s got more to do with the pagan winter solstice and burning the Yule log, putting holly on the door frame to chase away the Frost Giants, and settling in for the long nights or winter than anything else. The Romans celebrated the Saturnalia, knicked the Gauls’ Yuletide celebrations when Christianity became officially Roman, and turned it into Christmas.
That’s the condensed version, and I am Spartacus!
Not necessarily, Sara. It’s possible that early Christians actually knew which day Jesus was conceived (which is what they would likely consider the critical moment.)
According to the Book, Mary went to see her cousin Elizabeth, who was six months pregnant with John the Baptist, immediately after the Blessed event . . and Elizabeth said that the baby jumped at the sound of Mary’s greeting as she approached. Marty told her what she had experienced . . A memorable day . . which could have been remembered, ya know? ; )
You might enjoy, or not, the movie “Holiday Inn” starring Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire, with music by Irving Berlin. Specifically written for the film, Crosby’s “White Christmas” has been reported to be the biggest-selling single worldwide of all time. Beyond that, it is believed that 500 recorded versions of the song have been released.
The movie “White Christmas” (1954) is an American musical romantic comedy starring Bing Crosby, Danny Kaye, Rosemary Clooney, and Vera-Ellen, and NO snow until the very end when there is and everyone lives happily ever after.
Two coats, Ted and Don were hanging in a closet.
TED: I haven’t seen you in a week.
DON: Yes. I was sent to a seamstress, and she sewed sequins all over me.
TED: They took me to the tailor, and he sewed lace on my cuffs and collar.
DON: What on earth’s going on here?
TED: Don, we now are gay apparel.
[Whittinghill, KMPC]
Just have to give you a +1 on that forehead slapper.
Probably goes back to Bing Crosby “Dreaming of a white Christmas” for most people.
“I mean, why are we so concerned about a Christmas without snow?”
I doubt many of we are . . ; ) I think it’s just another lame attempt by some socially retarded geeks to dramatize the CAGW issue.
We seem to have strange fascination about snow. I live in Finland and here we complain all the time how cold it is in the winter. Then, when we get warmer winter we complain that we have a warm winter, and the only possible reason why that happens is obviously climate change. And when it gets really cold we complain what that does to homeless people. We romantize heavy snow and then complain how it makes driving conditions awful and causes all those car crashes and kills people. Oh, and climate change apparently causes snow too, so no matter what happens there is always something and someone to blame and complain about. It’s amusing and a little sad too.
I live in Ireland and am 51 years of age and the only white Christmases I have experienced were post 2000, in particular 2009 and 2010. As for Professor John Sweeney – he falls under the category of the usual under qualified gas bag who is given a completely uncritical welcome by a fawning Irish media. In other words ignore and move on.
More scary for Ireland (and any small place that puts all its electricity generation eggs in one basket) are the very cold winter spells with no wind, or the rare hurricanes with too much wind for the turbines. I wonder if the Prof would like to research trends in those events.
Northern Ireland, or the Republic ? I expect the Republic hangs on every word of the MET office and the IPCC … whereas I expect the industrialized Northern Ireland to think more … independently ? BTW … the Northern Ireland football team were totally skrewed by a horror phantom penalty call. Absolutely shameful. Sadly … FIFA is going to have to adopt video replay to correct horrific errors like the one that ruined N. Ireland’s World Cup dream
NI is being de-industrialised by very high electricity prices, because of Green Anti-Correlation, the smaller the economy the more zealous they are about de-carbonisation, which apparently is a vote winner thanks to the resulting job losses and higher consumer bills never getting a mention in the MSM, especially the BBC.
They know that with control of the peer review process and the Primary Media Outlets that they can hide their false prophecies and then turn their guns on real scientists who make copious notes and point out their failed predictions.. it is all laid out in their Alinsky strategies. Bang the drums of fear and guilt. discredit those pointing out the lack of science behind the drumbeats, deny the truth and hide the decline. Rinse and repeat. It matters not that the end of days did not come as predicted only that it is coming and we need to keep the masses believing that central government can save them from it.
Does he wear a bow-tie? He and Bill Nye the dumb-ass guy could be twins.
Noun . doofus (plural doofuses or doofi)
Professor John Sweeney “Let’s put it this way, if I were a betting man I wouldn’t be putting any money on there being snowfall on Christmas Day. It’s getting less likely each year.”
Well the probability of white Christmases in Ireland just went up!
BTW it’s looking like another outstanding ski season coming for the NW and NE US.
The first Tahoe ski resport opened Oct 27th. Seems like it will be a good year out west as well.
The Grand Targhee resort in SW Wyoming right up against the Idaho border in the Tetons opens the 17th.
I was there for my sons wedding early in July. The cornices were still there and the valley to the west still snow covered. Pic of my son and I at the top of the ski mountain at about 10,000 ft. with the 13,000’+ peak of Grand Teton behind us taken July 5th this year.
Loved to ski in Targee when i lived there back in 84-85.
Mac
I’ll hit the OTB office up the road at the intersection and find out what odds they’re giving on it.
lol snow on Christmas day, I’m 44 and can count on one hand I think, how many times we have had snow on Christmas day, extremely few.
This Sweeney is a bit of a moron imo
Those rare years we do get snow around Christmas in Ireland, we have lots of those slow motion crashes 😀 Not a set of snow types in the republic 😀
*Tyres
My dad once told me snow tyres are a waste of money, unless all the the jerks in front of you are using them, you’re still stuffed.
*Tires (to the Irish on the other side of the pond).
By the averages, I’m about ten or fifteen years away from another white Christmas here in Tucson (last time was before my first child was born). Last time was actually rather glorious; the streets were essentially empty as I drove across town to join the family. I believe the natives thought it was poisonous…
Arizona? Yeah, I’d buy that.
Writing Observer, Lived in Tucson from 1954 to 1977 and NEVER saw a white Christmas in the valley, although maybe a few in the foothills, although I heard about one ca. late 80’s or early 90’s, so don’t count on the 10-15 year thing. My M.O. in Tucson in winter was to ski Mt. Lemon in the day and sit outside by the pool in the valley all evening.
We used to use tire chains in the winter until snow tires came along. Now it’s all-season tires, because tire manufacturers don’t want the customers to lose faith in their products, and studded tires are illegal because they tear up pavement. (Yeah, like salt and snowplows don’t do that at all.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(weather)#White_Christmases_in_the_United_Kingdom
At Dublin Airport, there have been 12 Christmas Days with snowfall since 1941 (1950, 1956, 1962, 1964, 1970, 1984, 1990, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2000 and 2004). The statistical likelihood of snow falling on Christmas Day at Dublin Airport is approximately once every 5.9 years. However, the only Christmas Day at the airport ever to have lying snow at 09:00 was 2010 (although no snow actually fell that day), with 20 cm (7.9 in) recorded.
1941-77 cool cycle: 1950, 1956, 1962, 1964, 1970
1978-2014 warmth: 1984, 1990, 1993, 1995, 1999, 2000, 2004, plus 2010
Looks as if warmer means more snow in Dublin.
Snowfall in Ireland:
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/SnowfallAnal.pdf
SnowfallAnal.pdf?
I am afraid to click on that link. I don’t know why.
I did it, I did it! It didn’t hurt…
OK, I’ll summarize the analysis.
Record breaking Irish snowfalls in 2000 and 2010, despite supposed warming. Or maybe because of slight natural warming, recovering from the cool cycle of c. 1945-77, which followed the natural warming of c. 1918-44, which is indistinguishable from the late 20th century warming.
I also found these two articles online:
http://www.rte.ie/centuryireland/index.php/blog/traditional-white-christmas-thought-to-be-a-myth
http://www.thejournal.ie/every-white-christmas-in-ireland-2483826-Dec2015/
Compared to the usual Carbon Dioxide is going to kill us all if we don’t ACT NOW!!! nonsense, this isn’t bad at all. It’s defensible, and might even be right although that’s not how I’d bet. I think I can speak for most folks living in cold climates. I’ll get by somehow if Winter mornings are a bit above 0F (-15C) rather than a bit below.
One thing though. There’s little question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. That’s been known since the late 19th century. And the data collection at Mauna Loa stands up pretty well to scrutiny. Atmospheric CO2 is surely increasing. So the notion that it might change climate some isn’t patently absurd. The issue is how. The climate models are clearly a joke. But that doesn’t mean there will be NO impact.
One thing I’ve observed that might be a sign of what’s to come is an increase in heavy snowfalls here in Northwest Vermont. Here are the 20 largest snowfalls at Burlington, VT where records go back before 1900
Burlington, Vermont
Top 20 Greatest Snowstorms
Rank Snowfall Dates Month/Year
1 33.1” 2-3 Jan 2010
2 30.4” 14-15 Mar 2017
3 29.8” 25-28 Dec 1969
4 25.8” 6-7 Mar 2011
5 25.7” 14-15 Feb 2007
6 24.7” 13-14 Jan 1934
7 22.9” 5-6 Mar 2001
8 22.4” 13-14 Mar 1993
9 20.0” 25 Nov 1900
10 19.7” 25-28 Jan 1986
11 19.1” 16-17 Mar 1937
12 18.8” 14-15 Dec 2003
13 18.7” 12-13 March 2014
14 18.3” 6-7 Dec 2003
14 17.8” 3-4 Jan 2003
16 17.8” 4-5 Feb 1995
17 17.7” 3-4 Mar 1994
18 17.2” 6-8 Feb 2008
19 17.1” 25-26 Feb 1966
20 16.9” 25 Dec 1978
Observe that the span is at least 117 years and that more than half the heavy snowfalls have been in the last quarter century.
Could be from more water vapor in the air.
In the Intermountain West, we say it’s too cold to snow when the air is dry and sky is cloudless.
If I had to guess, I’d say that if there is any significant change in the snowfall pattern, it comes from some change in strength/speed/average storm path of North American Atlantic Coastal Storms (“Noreasters”). Those things pump prodigious amounts of mild, wet, Gulf Stream warmed air inland where it encounters frigid air from the Arctic and Northern Plains. Just West of the snow-rain dividing line snowfall amounts of 2-3-or more inches an hour are not uncommon. On the bright side, they are windy, snowy, but not all that cold.
Don,
No doubt you’re right. Very different WX pattern in the NE of the US than the NW.
Don: Most Irish people would plotz if they woke up and it were anywhere near 0°F.. They very seldom get below freezing for very long. Your town of Burlington can get colder than the hind end of a brass monkey. I have been in VT when it was cold enough to cause the water in streams boil. They have never seen that kind of weather in Ireland. BTW, Burlington, at 44°N is well south of Dublin which is at 53°N.
Incorrect, its below freezing most days during winter here all across the island, and yes we have seen cold weather here, 2009 and 2010 was bad, and on top of that the cold here is worst because its still very humid.
@ur momisugly P Malone: Walter was talking about 0°F. (32 F degrees below freezing),not 0°C.
@ur momisugly Roger Knights
I understood Walter Sobchak’s sentence that Irish people would go plotz if they woke up to 0°F.
I would agree with that, as we got those temperatures in Ireland in 2010 and then went plotz.
http://www.met.ie/climate-ireland/extreme-mintemps.pdf
I also understood that he used Fahrenheit.
But then he makes a new sentence which says “They very seldom get below freezing for very long.”
As you well know freezing occurs at higher temperatures than 0°F, temperatures which we have almost everyday here in Ireland during winter, and sometimes temperatures that feel as cold as 0°F with our humid and windy conditions.
Don K writes: “… little question that CO2 is a greenhouse gas …”
We can agree that CO2 is a ‘radiatively active gas’ but it has nothing to do with a greenhouse being warm. It is used in greenhouses to provided plants with a substance they need to grow.
Earth’s atmosphere works in remarkable ways and the role of CO2 is hotly debated.
If OCO-2 has provided mankind anything, it debunked the CACA claims of CO2 being evenly mixed in the outside air.
In my opinion Mauna Loa observatory in the middle of Pacific serves as a (hopefully untampered) reference point for estimating how much an active volcano can contribute to the errors and omissions of CACA gas conjecture.
“If OCO-2 has provided mankind anything, it debunked the CACA claims of CO2 being evenly mixed in the outside air.”
https://www.popsci.com/antarctica-carbon-dioxide-hits-400ppm
Thanks Toneb. Measuring average monthly outside air composition parts per million in Hawaii sounds like a really fun job. I enjoy local habitation and can apply for that, if you can agree to station yourself anywhere in Antarctica.
The future generations can use the measurement values for quantifying the errors and omissions in the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Conjecture Alarm logic. After all, in both measuring points Gaia’s flatulence messes up the local outside air more than all the mankind put together elsewhere on the planet’s 510.1 million km² surface.
Perhaps you know why OCO-2 has turned out oddly silent
Jaakko,
OCO-2 science teams just published a number of data-laden peer-reviewed articles in the 13 October 2017 Science magazine.
The biggest finding in my opinion is that they found with OCO-2 data conclusively shows tropical forests are sources rather than sinks. Complete reversal of that paradigm.
The whole CO2 sources and sinks paradigms are slowly unraveling, and will contnue to unravel as the Climate Change hustle slowly unravels.
The Russians did it.
I sincerely hope some Skeptical scribe is recording every Alarmist prediction into a data..base somewhere safe (and un..homogenizable!!) to demontrate the irrationality, bias, and sinecure..retentive tendentiousness of the Alarmist Hysterics.
Here’s a site that does a pretty good job of that:
http://climatechangepredictions.org/
Dear RAH…. many tks for this link. They are on the right track recording these excessively extrapolated and unsubstantiated claims, but unfort’ly only seem to go back to circa 2014.
Modern Alarmist gurus can scare the wits out of us with apocalyptic assertions one or two generations the future, but would it not be nice to contrast their predecessors’ wildly inaccurate prognoses APPLYING TO TODAY from one or two generations IN THE PAST!!!
Is there a coherent and good record of such pronouncements?
Tony Heller does a great job of going through the old newspaper and magazine archives by subject and showing what was predicted or claimed back then compared to now. His blog posts are done by subject and some the articles he posts copies of date back to the late 19th century though most are from the 20th.
Here is the link to his current site. You will also find a link there to his previous site that is still up and has a lot more material.
https://realclimatescience.com/
Then there is this which claims to be a complete list of all things claimed to be caused by global warming. http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
Here is a good one with Tony doing exactly what you were asking for today:
https://realclimatescience.com/2017/11/nasa-arctic-ice-free-and-manhattan-underwater-in-six-weeks/
There is a migratory imperative that leads climate hypesters to endlessly travel from one failed prediction to another.
Polar bears, Tibetan glaciers, slr, “acidification”, coral, etc. etc.
All mighty predictions that have never come true.
Do not blame the Irish – they are well aware snow continues to fall on their isle (to be sure)!!
My grandmother insisted it was sprinkled with star dust.
She should know, having come from Ballinamore (Béal an Átha Móir).
Since temperatures have already risen by 0.7C or some number, the physical properties of snow should show some reduction in cover.
Snow only occurs when temperatures are around 0.0C and the ground has cooled off to -2.0C or so. So why does North America have record snow cover right now.
Obviously the physical properties of water have changed.
This is the only way we can check what they have done to the temperature records. You got snow right now. Do you usually have snow now. Nothing has farken changed then despite the obviously adjusted temperature record. The physical properties of water would have to have changed.
The “Appeal to Snow” is just one variant of the Warmunist’s Appeal to Emotion. Snow, especially at Christmas time has a long cultural history of being appealing. And think just of the vehicle in which Santa rides – a sleigh. So the very idea of snow eventually disappearing would be a distressing one, tugging on the emotions, which is the whole idea of course. You’re supposed to have feewings, not use your brain.
LOL https://www.thesun.ie/news/1782711/bookies-slash-odds-on-christmas-day-snow-at-dublin-airport-after-experts-predict-one-of-coldest-winters-ever/
“…BOOKIES have slashed the odds of a White Christmas after experts revealed we’re set for one of the coldest winters of all time.
Snow falling at Dublin Airport at any stage during the month of December has dropped from 4/5 to just 1/3…”
Hilarious 🙂
He meant to kiss the Blarney Stone, but kissed the Blindinglystupid Stone instead.
And his lips stuck.