Allowable 'carbon budget' most likely overestimated

From Eurekalert and the it’s worse than we thought department.

Public Release: 24-Jul-2017

Penn State

While most climate scientists, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, implicitly define “pre-industrial” to be in the late 1800’s, a true non-industrially influenced baseline is probably further in the past, according to an international team of researchers who are concerned because it affects the available carbon budget for meeting the 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) warming limit agreed to in the Paris Conference of 2015.

“The IPCC research community uses a definition of preindustrial that is likely underestimating the warming that has already taken place,” said Michael Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric science and director, Earth System Science Center, Penn State. “That means we have less carbon to burn than we previously thought, if we are to avert the most dangerous changes in climate.”

The researchers explored a variety of date ranges for defining a “pre-industrial” baseline and the likelihood that, compared to those baselines, the global temperature averages could be held to 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) or to the preferred 1.5 degrees C (1.7 degrees F). They report their results today (July 24) in Nature Climate Change.

“When the IPCC says that we’ve warmed 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F) relative to pre-industrial, that’s probably incorrect,” said Mann. “It’s likely as much as 1.2 degrees C (2.16 degrees F).”

Because greenhouse gas concentrations have been increasing since 1750 it would be preferable to define a baseline prior to then, but actual instrumental measurements of temperature did not exist before the 1800s. There are also natural phenomena that preclude defining a single unique value for pre-industrial average global temperature.

“What period do you choose?” said study lead author Andrew Schurer, research associate in the School of Geosciences, University of Edinburgh. “Temperatures change due to natural factors such as volcanoes and fluctuations in the sun. If we choose the period 1600 to 1700 we get a different baseline temperature, for example, than if we choose 1500 to 1600.”

The researchers estimated the temperature baseline using simulations from the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phase 5, the current suite of models used for climate change research. They used a mixture of simulated sea-surface temperatures and surface-air temperatures to mimic actual global temperature observations. They also used three different scenarios for future carbon emissions that assume varying levels of aggressiveness in combating climate change.

They found that assuming the traditional late 19th-century baseline and using the highest future emissions scenario, by the middle of this century, the temperature rise will likely be about 4 degrees C (5 degrees F). With a moderate emissions scenario, the researchers found that keeping below 2 degrees C was still unlikely. Only the most aggressive scenario for reducing carbon emissions is likely to keep the temperature rise to 2 degrees C or less.

The researchers then considered all possible century-long periods for defining a baseline from 1401 to 1800 and used 23 simulations with seven different models. They found that anywhere from 0.02 to 0.21 degrees C (0.036 to 0.378 degrees F) warming took place prior to the late 19th-century period conventionally used as a baseline. Depending on which interval is chosen, the baseline could differ by almost nothing to a fifth of a degree C.

“A widely used metric for climate change mitigation is how much carbon we can still burn and remain below 2 degrees C,” said Mann. “It’s what we call the ‘carbon budget.'”

A pre-industrial baseline that truly contained no human-caused warming would alter the amount of carbon that could be put into the atmosphere. Measured in gigatons of carbon, to account for the 0.2 degrees C likely unaccounted for in previous estimates of human-caused warming, we would need to burn 40 percent less carbon to remain below the 2 degree C threshold, according to Mann.

“Either the Paris targets have to be revised,” said Mann. “Or, alternatively, we decide that the existing targets really were meant to describe only the warming since the late 19th century.”

If nothing else, Mann says that the community needs to be far more precise in defining what baselines are being used in setting targets.

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Also working on the project were Gabriele C. Hegerl, professor of geosciences and Simon F. B. Tett, professor of geosciences; both at the University of Edinburgh, UK and Ed Hawkins, professor of climate science, Department of Meteorology, University of Reading, UK.

The National Science Foundation, the European Research Council; Natural Environmental Research Council, UK; National Centre for Atmospheric Science, UK; Wolfson Society; and the Royal Society, UK supported this research.

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richard verney
July 26, 2017 4:11 pm

It seems to me that the most logical base line should be the Holocene Optimum.
It is referred to as the Optimum for a reason, and also this was prior to any large scale anthropocentric land change and mass farming.

crackers345
Reply to  richard verney
July 28, 2017 8:23 pm

was the HO
global?
says what data?

DaveR
July 26, 2017 4:23 pm

A classic political strategy. The original baseline we chose is allowing way too much CO2 emmissions. Ive had a new idea! – lets change the baseline back to the depths of the LIA. That way we can say man has warmed the climate more than we thought! And we can reduce the emissions target even more! Brilliant!
Just make sure nobody mentions natural climate variation at all, as our new proposal will be sunk. /sarc

crackers345
Reply to  DaveR
July 27, 2017 12:50 am

warming is proportional
to total co2 emissions. it
doesn’t matter when you start,
but you
might as well start before man
started heavily emitting
co2.

richard verney
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 4:02 am

I guess that places the Holocene Optimum as the appropriate start date.

stevefitzpatrick
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 4:58 am

No, it may be proportional to total GHG forcing (from all GHGs) but certainly not to CO2; the whole ln(C/Co) thing comes into play with CO2. All of which begs the important questions: the sensitivity to forcing, the magnitude of warming, and the consequences of warming. Noting that adding CO2 causes some surface warming is pretty much irrelevant in terms of public policy. Accurate quantification of costs and benefits is needed to formulate reasoned public policy… and ‘the science’ seems no closer to that quantification than it was in the Charney report. ‘The science’ seems to me not up to that task, nor does it appear to be making much progress.

MarkW
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 7:00 am

There is zero correlation between CO2 levels and temperature. Never has been.

crackers345
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 5:45 pm

no stevefitpatrick.
total warming is
proportional to total
emissions. this is a fundamental result found several
years ago by Damon Matthews.
the proportionality is
1.5 C of surface warming per trillion tonnes
of carbon emitted, with 2sigma error bounds
of 1.0-2.1.
“The proportionality of global warming to cumulative carbon emissions,” H. Damon Matthews et al, Nature v459, 11 June 2009, pp 829-832.
doi:10.1038/nature08047
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v459/n7248/full/nature08047.html

crackers345
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 5:46 pm

ps — this is the simple relation
used by all policy
makers to determine how much
carbon we have left to emit
before we reach
X degrees of warming.

crackers345
Reply to  crackers345
July 28, 2017 8:25 pm

verney – where did the HO occur?
what was the global temp then?
was it global, or just regional?

Joel Snider
July 26, 2017 4:26 pm

I gotta tell ya, I’m single-handedly doing my best to personally destroy the planet. I eat lunch in my car with the engine running and the AC on – I eat Taco Bell to maximize my methane emissions (or sometimes Carl’s Junior to maximize the cows) – I work out at night, go jogging, maximizing my personal C02 output. I use 100 watt light bulbs for reading. I don’t even recycle.
I’m like Lex Luthor and Dr. Doom rolled into one.
Cue the evil laughter.

Robert from oz
Reply to  Joel Snider
July 26, 2017 5:12 pm

Joel your the true climate warrior , me only drive a big thirsty 4×4 that belches out lots of plant food.

crackers345
Reply to  Joel Snider
July 27, 2017 12:51 am

sorry junior, your breathing doesn’t
add to atmospheric
co2. the rest of what
you claim you do just
sounds like wasting
your own money.

MarkW
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 7:00 am

What is it about trolls and their inability to understand humor?

Joel Snider
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 12:09 pm

I think it’s a combination of a total lack of a sense humor, being stuck-up, arrogant, and kinda stupid.

crackers345
Reply to  crackers345
July 27, 2017 5:47 pm

maybe if the humor was
better, itd be easier to
recognize.

seaice1
Reply to  crackers345
July 28, 2017 1:09 pm

I blame Poe’s law. Humor is impossible to distinguish from delusion.

July 26, 2017 4:58 pm

Mann is in complete denial of natural climate change and oscillation. Only such a totally fanatical denier of reality could repeatedly utter the self-evidently meaningless phrase “preindustrial”. He really does seem to have convinced himself that earth’s climate was an unchanging garden of Eden, continuously for 4 billion years up until the industrial revolution. (Or maybe he believes in a much shorter age of the earth?)

July 26, 2017 5:02 pm

Models upon models, model runs after model runs…
Sure sounds like manniacal’s buddies are deep in mikey’s version of fantasyland. Run models until one finds runs that validate confirmation bias. Voilà.
Lunacytunes for delirious climastrologists.

July 26, 2017 5:03 pm

This is a very clear demonstration of the “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool…” axiom.
Has no one explained to Mike that each time he goes back to the well and comes up with a different answer from the one he concocted last time, he discredits his own past work? As if it needed help to begin with. What a dweeb.

hunter
July 26, 2017 5:05 pm

The Manniac needs to make up his mind. He was chastising Hawking’s ridiculous anti-reality nonsense ostensibly to keep the science credible.
And then he comes out with this apocalyptic claptrap.
So It seems more likely he was guarding his turf, not really insisting on reasonable calm science.

July 26, 2017 5:19 pm

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
H. L. Mencken
Earth’s carbon cycle contains 46,713 Gt (E15 gr) +/- 850 Gt (+/- 1.8%) of stores and reservoirs with a couple hundred fluxes Gt/y (+/- ??) flowing among those reservoirs. Mankind’s gross contribution over 260 years was 555 Gt or 1.2%. (IPCC AR5 Fig 6.1) Mankind’s net contribution, 240 Gt or 0.53%, (dry labbed by IPCC to make the numbers work) to this bubbling, churning caldron of carbon/carbon dioxide is 4 Gt/y +/- 96%. (IPCC AR5 Table 6.1) Seems relatively trivial to me. IPCC et. al. says natural variations can’t explain the increase in CO2. With these tiny percentages and high levels of uncertainty how would anybody even know? BTW fossil fuel between 1750 and 2011 represented 0.34% of the biospheric carbon cycle.
Per IPCC AR5 Figure 6.1 prior to year 1750 CO2 represented about 1.26% of the total biospheric carbon balance (589/46,713). After mankind’s contributions, 67 % fossil fuel and cement – 33% land use changes, atmospheric CO2 increased to about 1.77% of the total biosphere carbon balance (829/46,713). This represents a shift of 0.51% from all the collected stores, ocean outgassing, carbonates, carbohydrates, etc. not just mankind, to the atmosphere. A 0.51% rearrangement of 46,713 Gt of stores and 100s of Gt annual fluxes doesn’t impress me as measurable let alone actionable, attributable, or significant.
IPCC just pulled all of these CO2/GHG numbers out of some thoroughly PhD papered BUTT!

Walter Sobchak
July 26, 2017 5:49 pm

“used 23 simulations with seven different models. ”
Well, that settles it.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 26, 2017 6:29 pm

Absolutely. Where can I buy the stock? Sign me up.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
July 26, 2017 6:30 pm

Prime numbers too. Not your run ‘o the mill crap numbers.

Reply to  Bartleby
July 26, 2017 9:00 pm

Nope…this be grade “A” deluxe high-falutin crap.
They are refining their crap with every pass through their veg-o-matic slicer dicer, and will soon be producing pharmaceutical grade pure crap.
Although crap being what it is, they will have then arrived pretty much where they started out.

Rick C PE
July 26, 2017 6:03 pm

A serious question. Why would Mann et. al. be using the CMIP5 model ensemble to determine pre-industrial temperature? I thought the models were tuned to hindcast to match the historical record. Given that Mann claims to be able to reconstruct past global temperatures from various proxies, why do they need GCMs.

Reply to  Rick C PE
July 26, 2017 6:34 pm

Well, that’s sort of complicated, but the short answer is no one believes Mann’s proxies after he published them last time. My guess is he figures hanging his hat on a whole bunch of failed climate models is better than relying on his own reputation for abject failure?

Reply to  Rick C PE
July 26, 2017 9:02 pm

I took it to be a sort of “Any port in a storm” grasp at any straw they could grab.

July 26, 2017 6:16 pm

The “allowable carbon budget” is based on the idea of relating cumulative changes in climate variables to cumulative emissions. These relationships contain a fatal flaw described here:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3000932

james feltus
July 26, 2017 6:45 pm

“global temperature averages could be held to 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) or to the preferred 1.5 degrees C (1.7 degrees F).”
That would be 2.7 F, not 1.7. They were probably using the same method as always: Pulling wildly erroneous guesses out of their hysterical butts.

Ken Dean
July 26, 2017 6:58 pm

Common sense and scientific integrity have been sacrificed on the alter of Carbon Dioxide

raybees444
July 26, 2017 8:14 pm

Michael Mann = hot air. He can take his “carbon budget” & stick it in a private place – that is, if he is actually able to remove his head first.

July 26, 2017 8:21 pm

The words “PENN State” have the same effect as seeing “NSW”. B$ meter fully pegged. Wow! Just wow.

July 26, 2017 8:30 pm

Michael Mann who?

July 26, 2017 9:15 pm

I am the only one who is becoming increasingly riled while reading each latest iteration of made up baloney?
I am just truly sick of these arguments that use predetermined conclusions to derive ever more grave fantasy-land doomsday scenarios.
There is no evidence in existence, not one shred, that CO2 is the temperature control knob of the atmosphere, and some desired temperature can be dialed in by any means whatsoever, let alone by policies that do not actually change anything.
On top of that, how the hell have they brainwashed even a single soul into believing that the bitterly cold time of a few hundred years ago is a desirable prospect, and the clement warmth we now enjoy is a catastrophe?
How the hell can anyone accept for a second that the deadly cold wastelands must be preserved at all and any costs?
At this point I am actively wanting to see a sharp and deadly multi-year cool-off, to once and for all destroy the idea that warmista insanity makes a lick of sense.

AndyG55
Reply to  Menicholas
July 27, 2017 3:51 am

DITTO !!!!!
I’m totally sick of the lack of historic perspective from the AGW scammers.
Arctic sea ice extent is above what it has been for some 90-95% of the Holocene,
Greenland Ice mass is pretty much at its highest in 8000 years,
Temperatures are but a tiny bump above the coldest period in 10,000 years.
And I bet EVERY one of these AGW scammers lives in WARM places and uses heaps of fossil fuel energy for heating in winter., We know for certain that the high priests of the AGW agenda are full-on users of carbon based energy.
It really is like some sort of mental disorder / manic brain-washing !!

Reply to  Menicholas
July 27, 2017 8:59 am

Ditto. How often do you see in the MSM any discussion of the benefits of higher CO2? I don’t recall seeing one, ever. Greening of the earth seems to be a bad thing, not worthy of discussion in a positive light. You never see anything discussing what a 2C rise in temperatures will do for life expectancy or quality. No discussions about CO2 emissions reducing as it warms because we don’t need to heat as much. It is always about the coastal people having to move to the fly over country (god forbid) to escape sea level rise.

crackers345
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 27, 2017 5:35 pm

jimgorman: can you quantify any of what
you claim to be benefits? how
do they
compare to the negatives?

seaice1
Reply to  Jim Gorman
July 28, 2017 1:18 pm

Jim Gorman
Seldom has it been easier to disprove a comment on WUWT, and that is really saying something. Literally numbers 1 and 2 on a google search of “greening of earth” gives hits from those institutions so hated here, The Guardian and the BBC
://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/08/global-greening-has-slowed-rise-of-co2-in-the-atmosphere-study-finds
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36130346
Please make some effort to substantiate your claims.

AndyG55
July 27, 2017 4:15 am

CO2 is one of the two major building-blocked for ALL LIFE ON EARTH, and it has been desperately short for 100s of thousands of years.
Finally human kind comes along, and through their ingenuity find ways of saving the planet from these desperately low CO2 levels.
Then the very people who should be worshipping CO2, the environmentalists, band together and try to stop its production.
THE WORLD HAS GONE BAT-S**T CRAZY !!!!!
Fortunately, their efforts so far have had minimal affect, and with China now funding a whole heap of coal fired power stations around the world, the ONLY people who are going to suffer are those who’s very gullible governments are cow-towing to this CO2 HATRED insanity/agenda.

July 27, 2017 5:35 am

Isn’t “it’s worse than we thought” another way of saying that previous science studies that confirmed something were wrong?

July 27, 2017 6:32 am

good

tty
July 27, 2017 7:10 am

The strangest thing is that if we consult the “canonical” hockeystck:comment image
We find that temperature was higher in 1750 than in 1850, so moving the starting time backwards should have the opposite effect to what is claimed, i e it would decrease the temperature rise from “preindustrial times”.

Gene
July 27, 2017 8:32 am

Is it possible there was less CO2 during the Little Ice Age because less plants were growing due to the cold?
Non-scientist, just asking!

tty
Reply to  Gene
July 27, 2017 2:32 pm

That would, if anything, have an opposite effect.