Are Climate Modelers Scientists?

Guest essay by Pat Frank

For going on two years now, I’ve been trying to publish a manuscript that critically assesses the reliability of climate model projections. The manuscript has been submitted twice and rejected twice from two leading climate journals, for a total of four rejections. All on the advice of nine of ten reviewers. More on that below.

The analysis propagates climate model error through global air temperature projections, using a formalized version of the “passive warming model” (PWM) GCM emulator reported in my 2008 Skeptic article. Propagation of error through a GCM temperature projection reveals its predictive reliability.

Those interested can consult the invited poster (2.9 MB pdf) I presented at the 2013 AGU Fall Meeting in San Francisco. Error propagation is a standard way to assess the reliability of an experimental result or a model prediction. However, climate models are never assessed this way.

Here’s an illustration: the Figure below shows what happens when the average ±4 Wm-2 long-wave cloud forcing error of CMIP5 climate models [1], is propagated through a couple of Community Climate System Model 4 (CCSM4) global air temperature projections.

CCSM4 is a CMIP5-level climate model from NCAR, where Kevin Trenberth works, and was used in the IPCC AR5 of 2013. Judy Curry wrote about it here.

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In panel a, the points show the CCSM4 anomaly projections of the AR5 Representative Concentration Pathways (RCP) 6.0 (green) and 8.5 (blue). The lines are the PWM emulations of the CCSM4 projections, made using the standard RCP forcings from Meinshausen. [2] The CCSM4 RCP forcings may not be identical to the Meinhausen RCP forcings. The shaded areas are the range of projections across all AR5 models (see AR5 Figure TS.15). The CCSM4 projections are in the upper range.

In panel b, the lines are the same two CCSM4 RCP projections. But now the shaded areas are the uncertainty envelopes resulting when ±4 Wm-2 CMIP5 long wave cloud forcing error is propagated through the projections in annual steps.

The uncertainty is so large because ±4 W m-2 of annual long wave cloud forcing error is ±114´ larger than the annual average 0.035 Wm-2 forcing increase of GHG emissions since 1979. Typical error bars for CMIP5 climate model projections are about ±14 C after 100 years and ±18 C after 150 years.

It’s immediately clear that climate models are unable to resolve any thermal effect of greenhouse gas emissions or tell us anything about future air temperatures. It’s impossible that climate models can ever have resolved an anthropogenic greenhouse signal; not now nor at any time in the past.

Propagation of errors through a calculation is a simple idea. It’s logically obvious. It’s critically important. It gets pounded into every single freshman physics, chemistry, and engineering student.

And it has escaped the grasp of every single Ph.D. climate modeler I have encountered, in conversation or in review.

That brings me to the reason I’m writing here. My manuscript has been rejected four times; twice each from two high-ranking climate journals. I have responded to a total of ten reviews.

Nine of the ten reviews were clearly written by climate modelers, were uniformly negative, and recommended rejection. One reviewer was clearly not a climate modeler. That one recommended publication.

I’ve had my share of scientific debates. A couple of them not entirely amiable. My research (with colleagues) has over-thrown four ‘ruling paradigms,’ and so I’m familiar with how scientists behave when they’re challenged. None of that prepared me for the standards at play in climate science.

I’ll start with the conclusion, and follow on with the supporting evidence: never, in all my experience with peer-reviewed publishing, have I ever encountered such incompetence in a reviewer. Much less incompetence evidently common to a class of reviewers.

The shocking lack of competence I encountered made public exposure a civic corrective good.

Physical error analysis is critical to all of science, especially experimental physical science. It is not too much to call it central.

Result ± error tells what one knows. If the error is larger than the result, one doesn’t know anything. Geoff Sherrington has been eloquent about the hazards and trickiness of experimental error.

All of the physical sciences hew to these standards. Physical scientists are bound by them.

Climate modelers do not and by their lights are not.

I will give examples of all of the following concerning climate modelers:

  • They neither respect nor understand the distinction between accuracy and precision.
  • They understand nothing of the meaning or method of propagated error.
  • They think physical error bars mean the model itself is oscillating between the uncertainty extremes. (I kid you not.)
  • They don’t understand the meaning of physical error.
  • They don’t understand the importance of a unique result.

Bottom line? Climate modelers are not scientists. Climate modeling is not a branch of physical science. Climate modelers are unequipped to evaluate the physical reliability of their own models.

The incredibleness that follows is verbatim reviewer transcript; quoted in italics. Every idea below is presented as the reviewer meant it. No quotes are contextually deprived, and none has been truncated into something different than the reviewer meant.

And keep in mind that these are arguments that certain editors of certain high-ranking climate journals found persuasive.

1. Accuracy vs. Precision

The distinction between accuracy and precision is central to the argument presented in the manuscript, and is defined right in the Introduction.

The accuracy of a model is the difference between its predictions and the corresponding observations.

The precision of a model is the variance of its predictions, without reference to observations.

Physical evaluation of a model requires an accuracy metric.

There is nothing more basic to science itself than the critical distinction of accuracy from precision.

Here’s what climate modelers say:

“Too much of this paper consists of philosophical rants (e.g., accuracy vs. precision) …”

“[T]he author thinks that a probability distribution function (pdf) only provides information about precision and it cannot give any information about accuracy. This is wrong, and if this were true, the statisticians could resign.”

“The best way to test the errors of the GCMs is to run numerical experiments to sample the predicted effects of different parameters…”

“The author is simply asserting that uncertainties in published estimates [i.e., model precision – P] are not ‘physically valid’ [i.e., not accuracy – P]- an opinion that is not widely shared.”

Not widely shared among climate modelers, anyway.

The first reviewer actually scorned the distinction between accuracy and precision. This, from a supposed scientist.

The remainder are alternative declarations that model variance, i.e., precision, = physical accuracy.

The accuracy-precision difference was extensively documented to relevant literature in the manuscript, e.g., [3, 4].

The reviewers ignored that literature. The final reviewer dismissed it as mere assertion.

Every climate modeler reviewer who addressed the precision-accuracy question similarly failed to grasp it. I have yet to encounter one who understands it.

2. No understanding of propagated error

“The authors claim that published projections do not include ‘propagated errors’ is fundamentally flawed. It is clearly the case that the model ensemble may have structural errors that bias the projections.”

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

“The repeated statement that no prior papers have discussed propagated error in GCM projections is simply wrong (Rogelj (2013), Murphy (2007), Rowlands (2012)).”

Let’s take the reviewer examples in order:

Rogelj (2013) concerns the economic costs of mitigation. Their Figure 1b includes a global temperature projection plus uncertainty ranges. The uncertainties, “are based on a 600-member ensemble of temperature projections for each scenario…” [5]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Murphy (2007) write, “In order to sample the effects of model error, it is necessary to construct ensembles which sample plausible alternative representations of earth system processes.” [6]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Rowlands (2012) write, “Here we present results from a multi-thousand-member perturbed-physics ensemble of transient coupled atmosphere–ocean general circulation model simulations. “ and go on to state that, “Perturbed-physics ensembles offer a systematic approach to quantify uncertainty in models of the climate system response to external forcing, albeit within a given model structure.” [7]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Not one of this reviewer’s examples of propagated error includes any propagated error, or even mentions propagated error.

Not only that, but not one of the examples discusses physical error at all. It’s all model precision.

This reviewer doesn’t know what propagated error is, what it means, or how to identify it. This reviewer also evidently does not know how to recognize physical error itself.

Another reviewer:

“Examples of uncertainty propagation: Stainforth, D. et al., 2005: Uncertainty in predictions of the climate response to rising levels of greenhouse gases. Nature 433, 403-406.

“M. Collins, R. E. Chandler, P. M. Cox, J. M. Huthnance, J. Rougier and D. B. Stephenson, 2012: Quantifying future climate change. Nature Climate Change, 2, 403-409.”

Let’s find out: Stainforth (2005) includes three Figures; Every single one of them presents error as projection variation. [8]

Here’s their Figure 1:

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Original Figure Legend: “Figure 1 Frequency distributions of T g (colours indicate density of trajectories per 0.1 K interval) through the three phases of the simulation. a, Frequency distribution of the 2,017 distinct independent simulations. b, Frequency distribution of the 414 model versions. In b, T g is shown relative to the value at the end of the calibration phase and where initial condition ensemble members exist, their mean has been taken for each time point.

Here’s what they say about uncertainty: “[W]e have carried out a grand ensemble (an ensemble of ensembles) exploring uncertainty in a state-of-the-art model. Uncertainty in model response is investigated using a perturbed physics ensemble in which model parameters are set to alternative values considered plausible by experts in the relevant parameterization schemes.

There it is: uncertainty is directly represented as model variability (density of trajectories; perturbed physics ensemble).

The remaining figures in Stainforth (2005) derive from this one. Propagated error appears nowhere and is nowhere mentioned.

Reviewer supposition: model precision = propagated error.

Collins (2012) state that adjusting model parameters so that projections approach observations is enough to “hope” that a model has physical validity. Propagation of error is never mentioned. Collins Figure 3 shows physical uncertainty as model variability about an ensemble mean. [9] Here it is:

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Original Legend: “Figure 3 | Global temperature anomalies. a, Global mean temperature anomalies produced using an EBM forced by historical changes in well-mixed greenhouse gases and future increases based on the A1B scenario from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s Special Report on Emission Scenarios. The different curves are generated by varying the feedback parameter (climate sensitivity) in the EBM. b, Changes in global mean temperature at 2050 versus global mean temperature at the year 2000, … The histogram on the x axis represents an estimate of the twentieth-century warming attributable to greenhouse gases. The histogram on the y axis uses the relationship between the past and the future to obtain a projection of future changes.

Collins 2012, part a: model variability itself; part b: model variability (precision) represented as physical uncertainty (accuracy). Propagated error? Nowhere to be found.

So, once again, not one of this reviewer’s examples of propagated error actually includes any propagated error, or even mentions propagated error.

It’s safe to conclude that these climate modelers have no concept at all of propagated error. They apparently have no concept whatever of physical error.

Every single time any of the reviewers addressed propagated error, they revealed a complete ignorance of it.

3. Error bars mean model oscillation – wherein climate modelers reveal a fatal case of naive-freshman-itis.

“To say that this error indicates that temperatures could hugely cool in response to CO2 shows that their model is unphysical.”

“[T]his analysis would predict that the models will swing ever more wildly between snowball and runaway greenhouse states.”

“Indeed if we carry such error propagation out for millennia we find that the uncertainty will eventually be larger than the absolute temperature of the Earth, a clear absurdity.”

“An entirely equivalent argument [to the error bars] would be to say (accurately) that there is a 2K range of pre-industrial absolute temperatures in GCMs, and therefore the global mean temperature is liable to jump 2K at any time – which is clearly nonsense…”

Got that? These climate modelers think that “±” error bars imply the model itself is oscillating (liable to jump) between the error bar extremes.

Or that the bars from propagated error represent physical temperature itself.

No sophomore in physics, chemistry, or engineering would make such an ignorant mistake.

But Ph.D. climate modelers have invariably done. One climate modeler audience member did so verbally, during Q&A after my seminar on this analysis.

The worst of it is that both the manuscript and the supporting information document explained that error bars represent an ignorance width. Not one of these Ph.D. reviewers gave any evidence of having read any of it.

5. Unique Result – a concept unknown among climate modelers.

Do climate modelers understand the meaning and importance of a unique result?

“[L]ooking the last glacial maximum, the same models produce global mean changes of between 4 and 6 degrees colder than the pre-industrial. If the conclusions of this paper were correct, this spread (being so much smaller than the estimated errors of +/- 15 deg C) would be nothing short of miraculous.”

“In reality climate models have been tested on multicentennial time scales against paleoclimate data (see the most recent PMIP intercomparisons) and do reasonably well at simulating small Holocene climate variations, and even glacial-interglacial transitions. This is completely incompatible with the claimed results.”

“The most obvious indication that the error framework and the emulation framework

presented in this manuscript is wrong is that the different GCMs with well-known different cloudiness biases (IPCC) produce quite similar results, albeit a spread in the

climate sensitivities.”

Let’s look at where these reviewers get such confidence. Here’s an example from Rowlands, (2012) of what models produce. [7]

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Original Legend: “Figure 1 | Evolution of uncertainties in reconstructed global-mean temperature projections under SRES A1B in the HadCM3L ensemble.” [7]

The variable black line in the middle of the group represents the observed air temperature. I added the horizontal black lines at 1 K and 3 K, and the vertical red line at year 2055. Part of the red line is in the original figure, as the precision uncertainty bar.

This Figure displays thousands of perturbed physics simulations of global air temperatures. “Perturbed physics” means that model parameters are varied across their range of physical uncertainty. Each member of the ensemble is of equivalent weight. None of them are known to be physically more correct than any of the others.

The physical energy-state of the simulated climate varies systematically across the years. The horizontal black lines show that multiple physical energy states produce the same simulated 1 K or 3 K anomaly temperature.

The vertical red line at year 2055 shows that the identical physical energy-state (the year 2055 state) produces multiple simulated air temperatures.

These wandering projections do not represent natural variability. They represent how parameter magnitudes varied across their uncertainty ranges affect the temperature simulations of the HadCM3L model itself.

The Figure fully demonstrates that climate models are incapable of producing a unique solution to any climate energy-state.

That means simulations close to observations are not known to accurately represent the true physical energy-state of the climate. They just happen to have opportunistically wonderful off-setting errors.

That means, in turn, the projections have no informational value. They tell us nothing about possible future air temperatures.

There is no way to know which of the simulations actually represents the correct underlying physics. Or whether any of them do. And even if one of them happens to conform to the future behavior of the climate, there’s no way to know it wasn’t a fortuitous accident.

Models with large parameter uncertainties can not produce a unique prediction. The reviewers’ confident statements show they have no understanding of that, or of why it’s important.

Now suppose Rowlands, et al., tuned the parameters of the HADCM3L model so that it precisely reproduced the observed air temperature line.

Would it mean the HADCM3L had suddenly attained the ability to produce a unique solution to the climate energy-state?

Would it mean the HADCM3L was suddenly able to reproduce the correct underlying physics?

Obviously not.

Tuned parameters merely obscure uncertainty. They hide the unreliability of the model. It is no measure of accuracy that tuned models produce similar projections. Or that their projections are close to observations. Tuning parameter sets merely off-sets errors and produces a false and tendentious precision.

Every single recent, Holocene, or Glacial-era temperature hindcast is likewise non-unique. Not one of them validate the accuracy of a climate model. Not one of them tell us anything about any physically real global climate state. Not one single climate modeler reviewer evidenced any understanding of that basic standard of science.

Any physical scientist would (should) know this. The climate modeler reviewers uniformly do not.

6. An especially egregious example in which the petard self-hoister is unaware of the air underfoot.

Finally, I’d like to present one last example. The essay is already long, and yet another instance may be overkill.

But I finally decided it is better to risk reader fatigue than to not make a public record of what passes for analytical thinking among climate modelers. Apologies if it’s all become tedious.

This last truly demonstrates the abysmal understanding of error analysis at large in the ranks of climate modelers. Here we go:

“I will give (again) one simple example of why this whole exercise is a waste of time. Take a simple energy balance model, solar in, long wave out, single layer atmosphere, albedo and greenhouse effect. i.e. sigma Ts^4 = S (1-a) /(1 -lambda/2) where lambda is the atmospheric emissivity, a is the albedo (0.7), S the incident solar flux (340 W/m^2), sigma is the SB coefficient and Ts is the surface temperature (288K).

“The sensitivity of this model to an increase in lambda of 0.02 (which gives a 4 W/m2 forcing) is 1.19 deg C (assuming no feedbacks on lambda or a). The sensitivity of an erroneous model with an error in the albedo of 0.012 (which gives a 4 W/m^2 SW TOA flux error) to exactly the same forcing is 1.18 deg C.

“This the difference that a systematic bias makes to the sensitivity is two orders of magnitude less than the effect of the perturbation. The author’s equating of the response error to the bias error even in such a simple model is orders of magnitude wrong. It is exactly the same with his GCM emulator.”

The “difference” the reviewer is talking about is 1.19 C – 1.18 C = 0.01 C. The reviewer supposes that this 0.01 C is the entire uncertainty produced by the model due to a 4 Wm-2 offset error in either albedo or emissivity.

But it’s not.

First reviewer mistake: If 1.19 C or 1.18 C are produced by a 4 Wm-2 offset forcing error, then 1.19 C or 1.18 C are offset temperature errors. Not sensitivities. Their tiny difference, if anything, confirms the error magnitude.

Second mistake: The reviewer doesn’t know the difference between an offset error (a statistic) and temperature (a thermodynamic magnitude). The reviewer’s “sensitivity” is actually “error.”

Third mistake: The reviewer equates a 4 W/m2 energetic perturbation to a ±4 W/m2 physical error statistic.

This mistake, by the way, again shows that the reviewer doesn’t know to make a distinction between a physical magnitude and an error statistic.

Fourth mistake: The reviewer compares a single step “sensitivity” calculation to multi-step propagated error.

Fifth mistake: The reviewer is apparently unfamiliar with the generality that physical uncertainties express a bounded range of ignorance; i.e., “±” about some value. Uncertainties are never constant offsets.

Lemma to five: the reviewer apparently also does not know the correct way to express the uncertainties is ±lambda or ±albedo.

But then, inconveniently for the reviewer, if the uncertainties are correctly expressed, the prescribed uncertainty is ±4 W/m2 in forcing. The uncertainty is then obviously an error statistic and not an energetic malapropism.

For those confused by this distinction, no energetic perturbation can be simultaneously positive and negative. Earth to modelers, over. . .

When the reviewer’s example is expressed using the correct ± statistical notation, 1.19 C and 1.18 C become ±1.19 C and ±1.18 C.

And these are uncertainties for a single step calculation. They are in the same ballpark as the single-step uncertainties presented in the manuscript.

As soon as the reviewer’s forcing uncertainty enters into a multi-step linear extrapolation, i.e., a GCM projection, the ±1.19 C and ±1.18 C uncertainties would appear in every step, and must then propagate through the steps as the root-sum-square. [3, 10]

After 100 steps (a centennial projection) ±1.18 C per step propagates to ±11.8 C.

So, correctly done, the reviewer’s own analysis validates the very manuscript that the reviewer called a “waste of time.” Good job, that.

This reviewer:

  • doesn’t know the meaning of physical uncertainty.
  • doesn’t distinguish between model response (sensitivity) and model error. This mistake amounts to not knowing to distinguish between an energetic perturbation and a physical error statistic.
  • doesn’t know how to express a physical uncertainty.
  • and doesn’t know the difference between single step error and propagated error.

So, once again, climate modelers:

  • neither respect nor understand the distinction between accuracy and precision.
  • are entirely ignorant of propagated error.
  • think the ± bars of propagated error mean the model itself is oscillating.
  • have no understanding of physical error.
  • have no understanding of the importance or meaning of a unique result.

No working physical scientist would fall for any one of those mistakes, much less all of them. But climate modelers do.

And this long essay does not exhaust the multitude of really basic mistakes in scientific thinking these reviewers made.

Apparently, such thinking is critically convincing to certain journal editors.

Given all this, one can understand why climate science has fallen into such a sorry state. Without the constraint of observational physics, it’s open season on finding significations wherever one likes and granting indulgence in science to the loopy academic theorizing so rife in the humanities. [11]

When mere internal precision and fuzzy axiomatics rule a field, terms like consistent with, implies, might, could, possible, likely, carry definitive weight. All are freely available and attachable to pretty much whatever strikes one’s fancy. Just construct your argument to be consistent with the consensus. This is known to happen regularly in climate studies, with special mentions here, here, and here.

One detects an explanation for why political sentimentalists like Naomi Oreskes and Naomi Klein find climate alarm so homey. It is so very opportune to polemics and mindless righteousness. (What is it about people named Naomi, anyway? Are there any tough-minded skeptical Naomis out there? Post here. Let us know.)

In their rejection of accuracy and fixation on precision, climate modelers have sealed their field away from the ruthless indifference of physical evidence, thereby short-circuiting the critical judgment of science.

Climate modeling has left science. It has become a liberal art expressed in mathematics. Call it equationized loopiness.

The inescapable conclusion is that climate modelers are not scientists. They don’t think like scientists, they are not doing science. They have no idea how to evaluate the physical validity of their own models.

They should be nowhere near important discussions or decisions concerning science-based social or civil policies.


References:

1. Lauer, A. and K. Hamilton, Simulating Clouds with Global Climate Models: A Comparison of CMIP5 Results with CMIP3 and Satellite Data. J. Climate, 2013. 26(11): p. 3823-3845.

2. Meinshausen, M., et al., The RCP greenhouse gas concentrations and their extensions from 1765 to 2300. Climatic Change, 2011. 109(1-2): p. 213-241.

The PWM coefficients for the CCSM4 emulations were: RCP 6.0 fCO = 0.644, a = 22.76 C; RCP 8.5, fCO = 0.651, a = 23.10 C.

3. JCGM, Evaluation of measurement data — Guide to the expression of uncertainty in measurement. 100:2008, Bureau International des Poids et Mesures: Sevres, France.

4. Roy, C.J. and W.L. Oberkampf, A comprehensive framework for verification, validation, and uncertainty quantification in scientific computing. Comput. Methods Appl. Mech. Engineer., 2011. 200(25-28): p. 2131-2144.

5. Rogelj, J., et al., Probabilistic cost estimates for climate change mitigation. Nature, 2013. 493(7430): p. 79-83.

6. Murphy, J.M., et al., A methodology for probabilistic predictions of regional climate change from perturbed physics ensembles. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences, 2007. 365(1857): p. 1993-2028.

7. Rowlands, D.J., et al., Broad range of 2050 warming from an observationally constrained large climate model ensemble. Nature Geosci, 2012. 5(4): p. 256-260.

8. Stainforth, D.A., et al., Uncertainty in predictions of the climate response to rising levels of greenhouse gases. Nature, 2005. 433(7024): p. 403-406.

9. Collins, M., et al., Quantifying future climate change. Nature Clim. Change, 2012. 2(6): p. 403-409.

10. Bevington, P.R. and D.K. Robinson, Data Reduction and Error Analysis for the Physical Sciences. 3rd ed. 2003, Boston: McGraw-Hill. 320.

11. Gross, P.R. and N. Levitt, Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and its Quarrels with Science. 1994, Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University. May be the most intellectually enjoyable book, ever.

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February 24, 2015 4:45 pm

I’m not sure that I understood example 6. Did the reviewer use the example that if you put in the same value on the RHS of the equation that you almost get the same value on the LHS? Is the point being made that depending on how you end up with 4W/m2 on the RHS you could get a 2% error in the uncertainty?
I hope someone can point out that I misunderstood for the sake of my sanity.

Reply to  Robert B
February 26, 2015 11:04 am

If I understand you correctly, you’ve got it about right, Robert B.
In item 6, the reviewer points out that a change in albedo or in emissivity giving a 4 W/m^2 change in forcing give the same result on the right-hand side, within about 1%. Whoop-de-do.
Item 6 is a great illustration of how to not think about error.

Evan Jones
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February 24, 2015 5:02 pm

Are Climate Modelers Scientists?
Probably. But the reverse is not true. Fundamental game theory required.

February 24, 2015 5:16 pm

From the gist of what I have read, the “Climate Scientists” think the range of the GCM estimates is larger than the actual climate variation. Despite the actual measurements being completely out of the GCM projection range.
In the real world that is a complete falsification of the GCM’s. There is no way that they will ever admit that.

Reply to  Genghis
February 26, 2015 11:08 am

Really, if you look at the fourth head-post figure, Genghis, you’ll see that climate models cannot make unique predictions. That makes them inherently unfalsifiable, thus a-scientific. No matter what the observed temperature does, that wouldn’t change.

more soylent green!
February 24, 2015 5:16 pm

As long as the expert reviewers are climate modelers, this paper will continue to be rejected. Is there other scientific journals where this paper may be appropriately published?

Reply to  more soylent green!
February 26, 2015 11:08 am

I’m hopeful, msgreen, thanks.

William Astley
February 24, 2015 5:22 pm

The justification for climate models that are physically incorrect/unrealistic is to enable the models to be tuned to produce an abrupt climate change. It is a fact that there are cyclic warming and cooling events (periodicity 1400 years plus or minus a beat timing of 500 years) in the paleo record and roughly every 8000 years to 12,000 years the cooling is abrupt and there is a larger magnitude change.
As noted above, if the planet resists forcing changes (negative feedback) rather than amplifies forcing changes (positive feedback), then the explanation (only physical possible explanation) for cyclic abrupt climate changes is there is a very, very, powerful forcing mechanism.
If I understand the mechanisms and what is currently happening to the sun we are going to experience an abrupt Dansgaard-Oeschger cooling event (not too bad, say 0.6C cooling over two to three years, based on the earth’s response to a step forcing change such as a large volcanic eruption, the solar minimums last 100 to 150 years) which may be followed by what causes a Heinrich event. I will explain the mechanisms in detail, if and when, there is unequivocal observational evidence of global cooling.
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/transit.html

Sudden climate transitions during the Quaternary
Abstract
The time span of the past few million years has been punctuated by many rapid climate transitions, most of them on time scales of centuries to decades or even less. The most detailed information is available for the Younger Dryas-to-Holocene stepwise change around 11,500 years ago, which seems to have occurred over a few decades. The speed of this change is probably representative of similar but less well-studied climate transitions during the last few hundred thousand years. These include sudden cold events (Heinrich events/stadials), warm events (Interstadials) and the beginning and ending of long warm phases, such as the Eemian interglacial. Detailed analysis of terrestrial and marine records of climate change will, however, be necessary before we can say confidently on what timescale these events occurred; they almost certainly did not take longer than a few centuries.
Various mechanisms, involving changes in ocean circulation, changes in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases or haze particles, and changes in snow and ice cover, have been invoked to explain these sudden regional and global transitions. We do not know whether such changes could occur in the near future as a result of human effects on climate. (William: Come on man, the sun is causing what is observed) Phenomena such as the Younger Dryas and Heinrich events might only occur in a ‘glacial’ world with much larger ice sheets and more extensive sea ice cover. However, a major sudden cold event did probably occur under global climate conditions similar to those of the present, during the Eemian interglacial, around 122,000 years ago. Less intensive, but significant rapid climate changes also occurred during the present (Holocene) interglacial, with cold and dry phases occurring on a 1500-year cycle, and with climate transitions on a decade-to-century timescale. In the past few centuries, smaller transitions (such as the ending of the Little Ice Age at about 1650 AD) probably occurred over only a few decades at most. All the evidence indicates that most long-term climate change occurs in sudden jumps rather than incremental changes.
…According to the marine records, the Eemian interglacial (William: Eemain is the name of the last interglacial period, the current interglacial period is called the Holocene) ended with a rapid cooling event about 110,000 years ago (e.g., Imbrie et al., 1984; Martinson et al., 1987), which also shows up in ice cores and pollen records from across Eurasia. From a relatively high resolution core in the North Atlantic. Adkins et al. (1997) suggested that the final cooling event took less than 400 years, and it might have been much more rapid.
The event at 8200 BP is the most striking sudden cooling event during the Holocene, giving widespread cool, dry conditions lasting perhaps 200 years before a rapid return to climates warmer and generally moister than the present. This event is clearly detectable in the Greenland ice cores, where the cooling seems to have been about half-way as severe as the Younger Dryas-to-Holocene difference (Alley et al., 1997; Mayewski et al., 1997). No detailed assessment of the speed of change involved seems to have been made within the literature (though it should be possible to make such assessments from the ice core record), but the short duration of these events at least suggests changes that took only a few decades or less to occur.
The Younger Dryas cold event at about 12,900-11,500 years ago seems to have had the general features of a Heinrich Event, and may in fact be regarded as the most recent of these (Severinghaus et al. 1998). The sudden onset and ending of the Younger Dryas has been studied in particular detail in the ice core and sediment records on land and in the sea (e.g., Bjoerck et al., 1996), and it might be representative of other Heinrich events. (William: 75% of the Younger Dryas cooling occurred in less than a decade. The planet went from interglacial warm to glacial cold during the Younger Dryas period with cooling for around 1000 years. Heinrich events terminate interglacial periods.)

http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/Publications/Journals/rahmstorf_grl_2003.pdf

Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock by Stefan Rahmstorf
Many paleoclimatic data reveal a approx. 1,500 year cyclicity of unknown origin. A crucial question is how stable and regular this cycle is. An analysis of the GISP2 ice core record from Greenland reveals that abrupt climate events appear to be paced by a 1,470-year cycle with a period that is probably stable to within a few percent; with 95% confidence the period is maintained to better than 12% over at least 23 cycles. This highly precise clock points to an origin outside the Earth system; oscillatory modes within the Earth system can be expected to be far more irregular in period.

http://www.geo.arizona.edu/palynology/geos462/8200yrevent.html

Abrupt tropical cooling ~8,000 years ago
“We drilled a sequence of exceptionally large, well-preserved Porites corals within an uplifted palaeo-reef in Alor, Indonesia, with Th-230 ages spanning the period 8400 to 7600 calendar years before present (Figure 2). The corals lie within the Western Pacific Warm Pool, which at present has the highest mean annual temperature in the world’s ocean. Measurements of coral Sr/Ca and oxygen 18 isotopes at 5-year sampling increments for five of the fossil corals (310 annual growth increments) have yielded a semi-continuous record spanning the 8.2 ka event. The measurements (Figure 2) show that sea-surface temperatures were essentially the same as today from 8400 to 8100 years ago, followed by an abrupt ~3C cooling over a period of ~100 years, reaching a minimum ~8000 years ago. The cooling calculated from coral oxygen 18 isotopes is similar to that derived from Sr/Ca. The exact timing of the termination of the cooling event is not yet known, but a coral dated as 7600 years shows sea-surface temperatures similar to those of today.”

catweazle666
February 24, 2015 5:48 pm

Oh good heavens, not again!
Even the IPCC acknowledged that:
“In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled-nonlinear chaotic system, and therefore that long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” IPCC Third Assessment Report (2001), Section 14.2.2.2, page 774
Anyone who claims that a purported computer game climate simulation of an effectively infinitely large open-ended non-linear feedback-driven (where we don’t know even close to all the feedbacks, and even of the ones we do know, we are unsure of the signs of some critical ones) chaotic system – hence subject to inter alia extreme sensitivity to initial conditions, strange attractors and bifurcation – is capable of making meaningful predictions over any significant time period is either a charlatan or a computer salesman.
Ironically, the first person to point this out was Edward Lorenz – a climate scientist.
You can add as much computing power as you like, the result is purely to produce the wrong answer faster.

KevinK
Reply to  catweazle666
February 24, 2015 8:14 pm

“You can add as much computing power as you like, the result is purely to produce the wrong answer faster.”
No, No, No, it means you can produce many more answers (even though they are wrong) faster than ever before thus “providing” the desired “confirmation” of the “theory”.
The “models” say that ice on the Great Lakes will be rare/declining in the future, yet, as I type this (about 100 feet south of the southern shore of Lake Ontario) there is more ice on the water than I have seen in the last 3 decades.
The original post is correct, if we tried this nonsense in the engineering community people would be killed by falling airplanes, short circuiting electrical grids and exploding rockets. Of course the engineering community had a few of those in the past, but they LEARNED from their mistakes, a mark of intelligence.
Folks that keep repeating the same “modelling” mistakes decade after decade and deride anyone they deem “not as wise” as them are doomed to failure. And in the history books written in the future (aren’t they all ?) the topic of climate “modelling” will be seen as a TOTAL ABJECT FAILURE (my condolences to good meaning folks that chose that profession, but the clues were there if you looked hard enough).
Dr. Frank, thank you for your efforts, keep explaining reality to those that are severely challenged in that department.
Cheers, KevinK.

Reply to  KevinK
February 26, 2015 11:11 am

Thanks, Kevin. Agreed about the future history.

Barry
February 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Who is this Pat Frank? His AGU poster has no affiliation. I see he may be an x-ray absorption spectroscopist — certainly a scientist in that case, but stretching the definition of climate scientist, I would say (like engineers who call themselves climate scientists). And what’s to say he didn’t submit his paper 10 times, and just compile all the dumb reviewer comments for the sake of this blog? I still say if he can’t clearly explain his logic and respond to the comments of 9 out of 10 reviewers, then there’s no surprise he can’t get his paper published.

Reply to  Barry
February 25, 2015 6:33 am

AGREED.

Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 11:36 am

There’s a surprise. You apparently know about as much as Barry, warrenlb.

Reply to  Barry
February 26, 2015 11:35 am

I did the work on my own time and expense, Barry. Therefore, I can’t claim my work affiliation.
My manuscript is about physical error analysis, not about climate. Here is a paper I published a couple of years back about sulfur in the wood of a recovered military bronze ram from an ancient Roman warship. The Supporting Information document is free access. Take a look and see if I know anything about error analysis.
Given your logic, and the obvious inexpertise shown by my reviewers, will you now agree that climate modelers are unqualified to review?
Your “…what’s to say…?” is just you making unfounded negative speculations.
As to “explaining logic,” every one of my responses started with a summery header, like this one …
• The reviewer has repudiated the distinction between accuracy and precision as a “philosophical rant,” when in fact the distinction is central to physics.
• The review evidences a lack in understanding of propagated error, item 3.
• The reviewer has mistakenly assumed that differencing between modeled climate observables is identical to differencing between modeled and physically measured climate observables, items 4 and 8.
• The reviewer is apparently unaware that the large measurement uncertainties vitiate attribution and validation, item 5.
… and then followed on with fully quoting the reviewer and a response. The “items” are review/response numbers. The summary was there for the editor, who could easily have gone to the mentioned items and checked the facts of the matter.
The reply to this particular reviewer included 10 pages of detailed responses to the individual criticisms, along with 24 citations to the relevant literature. Such content was pretty typical.
So don’t go on in ignorance about the process Barry. You’ll only look foolish.

February 24, 2015 7:03 pm

You’ve got to be kidding! I know climate scientists do things differently to other physical scientists but they shouldn’t.

Reply to  Robert B
February 24, 2015 11:39 pm

This was a reply to Barry

February 24, 2015 7:17 pm

Professor Patrick Frank of Department of Chemistry, Stanford has more than 50 peer reviewed publications. And how do you define a “climate scientist”? Is being a railway engineer, a failed theology student, or a psychologist an appropriate qualification? Hubert Lamb didn’t gain his qualification as a climate scientist until he was awarded an honorary Doctorate of Science three years after he retired.
Hey Pat, maybe you’ll be awarded an “appropriate qualification” after you retire 🙂
Barry, I smell troll…

trafamadore
Reply to  The Pompous Git
February 24, 2015 8:41 pm

Or a skeptic.

richardscourtney
Reply to  trafamadore
February 25, 2015 12:27 am

trafamadore
NO. A troll and not a skeptic.
A true believer such as Barry is not a skeptic.
Richard

Reply to  The Pompous Git
February 25, 2015 12:24 pm

Lets see. Pat Frank said
1) 9 of 10 reviewers rejected his paper.
2) He didn’t re-submit with the suggested changes.
3) He went into an elaborate defense, published on WUWT, but didn’t send his defense to the reviewers
Given the above, why should we offer sympathy?

Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 1:14 pm

Your number 2) is factually wrong, warrenlb. My responses to the reviewers were detailed, extensive, on-point, and went back to the editors as is the usual practice.
I neither want nor need your sympathy.
WUWT represented a place where the reviewer scientific incompetence could receive open exposure. The encounter with climate modelers has been unique in my experience publishing scientific manuscripts.
Finally, you have let us all know that you’re not shy about expressing confident opinions while operating from complete ignorance. That intellectual trait qualifies you to become a star in cultural studies.

Reply to  The Pompous Git
February 26, 2015 11:40 am

Thanks for the promotion, PG, but I’m mere scientific staff at SLAC. Just to be sure it’s obvious, my work on error in climatology includes no association with SLAC or Stanford University.

Reply to  Pat Frank
February 26, 2015 10:32 pm
Pippen kool
February 24, 2015 8:30 pm

Wow. I’m impressed. Four rejections? It’s eight reviewers or was it 12 reviewers to check this paper? It’s hard to believe that there’s not some problem with the writing or the results. Could you not use the early rejections to rewrite tha paper? But I have to admit I have had only two rejections max before things get in, so what do I know.

Reply to  Pippen kool
February 24, 2015 9:09 pm

Pippen Tool says:
I have to admit I have had only two rejections max before things get in, so what do I know.
You don’t know much. You’ve had a lot more than two rejections here.

Reply to  dbstealey
February 26, 2015 6:50 am

Rejections by bloggers don’t count, DBS.

Reply to  dbstealey
February 26, 2015 7:19 pm

Yes, they do. If they didn’t count, you wouldn’t care.

Reply to  Pippen kool
February 25, 2015 6:31 am

@pippen. It seems hard for DBS to compute the possibility that this papar was rejected for good reasons.

Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 1:33 pm

Which of the head-post reviewer comments do you find convincing, warrenlb?

Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 7:20 pm

It seems hard for warrenlb to compute anything. All he ever seems to care about is his constant Appeal to Authority fallacy.

Reply to  Pippen kool
February 26, 2015 11:45 am

It was 10 reviews in 2+2 submissions, Pippin. I did make requested changes. The basic problem is that climate modelers reject any physical error analysis. For them, error = only model variability.
Plus, modelers apparently think that all model errors are present in their base-state (e.g., 1850) simulation, so that by taking differences against the base state they remove all the physical error from their anomalies. Incredible but true. They live in physical phantasy land.

February 24, 2015 9:52 pm

A riveting post. No reader fatigue here.
Re the Naomis: Don’t go there.
Nice added points, RGB!

David Cage
February 24, 2015 11:43 pm

The more important question is whether climate modellers are even computer modellers. They seem to have no respect for the basic principles of computer modelling right down to whether the source data they work with has been properly quality controlled with regular certification of both the instruments and the environment in which they are used. They put in place a verification network and when it does not give the answer they want totally ignore it. On a daily basis their colleagues in weather forecasting tell us about the two degrees difference between cities and the rural areas but ignore this when it comes to climate changes.
Here we all know about this and so many other deficiencies but mainstream both the Independent and the Guardian as well as the charter obligated impartial BBC in the UK manage to block comments by dissenters. So much for free speech. Makes china look positively tolerant.

more soylent green!
Reply to  David Cage
February 25, 2015 2:49 pm

Climate modelers aren’t engineers, computer scientists or professional software developers. The software quality, lack of testing and verification would not be acceptable for any type of business.

Darkinbad the Brighdayler
February 25, 2015 3:45 am

I think peer reviewers vary in quality across all scientific disciplines.
I have had experience of publication being temporarily blocked by someone who wanted to “own the space”.
I have also struggled to get both peers and clients to understand the fragile and evolving nature of the modelling process.
It is not just a phenomena limited to climate science.

February 25, 2015 5:26 am

Reblogged this on gottadobetterthanthis and commented:

Down into the tedious weeds, but exceptionally good article showing that there is no value whatsoever in climate models.
Automotive crash models do the things Dr. Frank indicates. Automotive crash models compare to physical, real crashes. Over and over we compare the model results to real crashed cars. Over and over! We don’t stop comparing the models to reality. Aren’t you glad? Anybody willing to drive a car for which the design has never be actually crash tested, but only modeled? I hope not.
Note RGB’s comments below the article.

February 25, 2015 6:18 am

A good example of the reasons for peer-review:
1) Multiple reviewers reject the paper, but the author seems unwilling to make changes.
2) The author doesn’t list his educational accomplishments. Does he have education for advancing the state of knowledge on this topic?
3) Instead of pro-actively correcting his errors, or successfully explaining his analysis to the reviewers, he writes a long winded defense. Not a good indicator.
If the author is certain that he is right, has he resubmitted to another journal? It would be useful for him, and for us, to see if the same criticisms are received, or if he is successful with another journal.

milodonharlani
Reply to  warrenlb
February 25, 2015 6:23 am

Warren,
Still waiting for you to present the repeatedly requested evidence which has personally convinced you that AGW is real. And if so, then that it’s something about which the world should be concerned rather than happy.
Thanks!

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 25, 2015 7:00 am

IPCC 5th Assessment. Haven’t you read it?

richardscourtney
Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 1:20 am

warrenlb
I have read the IPCC 5th Assessment Reports and also the associated Synthesis Report, but I know of nothing in any of those Reports which constitutes evidence for discernible AGW.
Please state and/or cite the evidence in the IPCC 5th Assessment Reports which you say has personally convinced you that AGW is real.
Richard

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 6:16 am

Arctic sea ice in rapid decline
Global sea level rise is accelerating.
Global deglaciation
Mountain ice caps melting worldwide.
Climate zones shifting polewards and uphill.
Migration of species to higher altitudes and colder latitudes
Atmosphere becoming more humid.
The Arctic warming 3 times faster than the global mean
Snow cover is declining.
Ocean heat content is rising
The tropical belt is widening
Storm tracks are shifting polewards.
Jet streams are shifting polewards and becoming more erratic.
Permafrost all over the northern hemisphere is warming and thawing.
Difference between nighttime lows and daytime highs decreasing
Warming of the planet since 1880
40% rise in Atmospheric CO2 since ~1800
Underlying physics of the Greenhouse effect
Cooling of the Stratosphere (consistent with operation of Greenhouse Effect)

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 1:54 pm

warrenlb, how do you know any of your list is due to CO2 emissions? That knowledge would require a valid theory of the terrestrial climate, which does not exist.
Your “physics of the greenhouse effect” is just the Stefan-Boltzmann equation. The S-B equation is not a theory of climate. This, by the way, underlays the entire misperception of alarm: the mistaken but implicit presumption that the S-B equation describes how the terrestrial climate responds to some added tropospheric forcing.
Your last item is just enhanced radiative cooling due to increased CO2. This effect happens because gases are so dilute in the stratosphere that the radiative decay of CO2* is faster than the collisional decay. In the troposphere, the opposite is true. So, cooling of the stratosphere has nothing to do with the supposed mechanism of CO2 greenhouse warming.

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 6:22 pm

Frank
You say:
“Your “physics of the greenhouse effect” is just the Stefan-Boltzmann equation.”
No, incorrect. The Stefan–Boltzmann law states that the total energy radiated per unit surface area of a black body across all wavelengths per unit time (also known as the black-body emissive power) is directly proportional to the fourth power of the black body’s absolute temperature.
The term ‘greenhouse effect’ refers to the absorption of thermal radiation from the planet’s surface by atmospheric greenhouse gases; those gases are then re-radiated in all directions. Since part of this re-radiation is back towards the surface and the lower atmosphere, it results in an elevation of the surface temperature above what it would be in the absence of the gases.
In short, Stefan-Boltzman refers to black body radiation. The Greenhouse Effect refers to the absorption and re-radiation of IR thermal radiation by molecules including CO2, methane, water vapor, fluorocarbons, nitrous oxides, and SF6. These two ideas are entirely different.
Then you say:
“Your last item [Cooling of the Stratosphere consistent with operation of Greenhouse Effect] is just enhanced radiative cooling due to increased CO2. This effect happens because gases are so dilute in the stratosphere that the radiative decay of CO2* is faster than the collisional decay.”
Also wrong. Stratospheric cooling is caused by the increasing presence of CO2 and other Greenhouse gases in the lower troposphere. The increased absorption of IR energy by CO2 (and the other GHGs) in the troposphere reduces the thermal energy that reaches the stratosphere from the planet and lower troposphere.
Don’t take my word for it. Check any College-level physics book, or textbook in atmospheric science.

mpainter
Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 7:05 pm

Warren pound,
Still no evidence of AGW. Seems that you are having difficulty understanding what is being asked of you. What is that you don’t understand about the question?

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 7:06 pm

Good copy-and-paste effort, warrenlb.
So, explain how CO2 is able to re-radiate absorbed energy toward the surface, when its collisional decay rate in the troposphere is more than 10x faster than its radiative decay.
The S-B greenhouse effect comes from the change in the emissivity of the atmosphere, due to the presence or increase of GHGs.
Your suggestion that stratospheric cooling is due to, “The increased absorption of IR energy by CO2 (and the other GHGs) in the troposphere reduces the thermal energy that reaches the stratosphere from the planet and lower troposphere.” is wrong.
The same amount of thermal energy always leaves the troposphere and passes through the stratosphere out to space. CO2 just retards the emission in the troposphere, like a dam retards the water in a river. The total water flow doesn’t change, and neither does the total IR emission from Earth.
The stratosphere cools with more CO2 because up there, the radiative decay rate is faster than the collisional decay. Stratospheric CO2 that is activated by collision decays by radiation. That radiation is lost to space. Hence the net cooling.
GHGs increase the amount of thermal energy of the atmosphere, without changing the total IR emission from Earth. Again, like a dam in a river. The central question is how the climate responds. If the main climate response channel is increased convection, or greater tropical rainfall, there could be no discernible change in air temperature at all from increased GHGs.

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 26, 2015 7:24 pm

warrenlb says:
IPCC 5th Assessment.
He said evidence, warrenlb. Not assertions. warrenlb still does not understand the meaaning of scientific evidence.
The IPCC does not have any measurable evidence of AGW. None at all. If I am wrong, then post that evidence, warrenlb.
I’ll wait here, while warrenlb trots back to SkS or Hotwhopper, or wherever he gets his misinformation…
[And yes, ‘warrenlb’ cut and pasted his comment @6:22 pm above — without attribution. The same warrenlb who is so critical of Dr. Soon.]

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 7:21 am

Frank
My explanation of Stefan-Boltzman, the Greenhouse Effect, and Stratospheric Cooling as driven by the increases in the Greenhouse Effect, can be found in any college level textbooks on those topics. Neither is controversial. But your reply is opaque gibberish, and goes a long way to explaining why your paper was rejected by the reviewers — your lack of understanding of science. Try a different vocation.

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 1:54 pm

Arctic sea ice in rapid decline — no it isn’t, and global levels are rising
Global sea level rise is accelerating. — no it isn’t
Global deglaciation — since LIA
Mountain ice caps melting worldwide.– mostly land use changes
Climate zones shifting polewards and uphill.– since LIA
Migration of species to higher altitudes and colder latitudes — since LIA
Atmosphere becoming more humid. — since LIA
The Arctic warming 3 times faster than the global mean — no it isn’t
Snow cover is declining.– no it isn’t
Ocean heat content is rising — no it isn’t, model-based
The tropical belt is widening — since LIA
Storm tracks are shifting polewards. —
Jet streams are shifting polewards and becoming more erratic.
Permafrost all over the northern hemisphere is warming and thawing.
Difference between nighttime lows and daytime highs decreasing — no they aren’t
Warming of the planet since 1880 — same trend since LIA
40% rise in Atmospheric CO2 since ~1800 — has little effect
Underlying physics of the Greenhouse effect — you don’t appear to understand them, and neither do modellers, which is why their predictions have been so wrong
Note that Great Lakes ice is at record highs. The local raw temperatures say this has been a very cold couple of years. The GISS adjustments make them average. It’s becoming blindingly obvious that the data is unreliable.

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 2:05 pm

“can be found in any college level textbooks on those topics”
Oh, the things one finds in college textbooks. My professors used to mock them so.
“The increased absorption of IR energy by CO2 (and the other GHGs) in the troposphere reduces the thermal energy that reaches the stratosphere from the planet and lower troposphere.”
This is hilarious. It reminds me of when Goddard was posting pictures of a simple electric circuit to mock the people who said CO2 could not warm the atmosphere.
Let’s see if I can explain this simply… imagine you build a very special dam. The dam is very special because it reduces the amount of water that flows past it (unlike normal dams, which merely change the equilibrium height of the water). What happens to the water level on the two sides of the dam? (Hint: you do NOT want to build this dam near your house.)

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 3:19 pm

@TallDave2.
You said: “Let’s see if I can explain this simply… imagine you build a very special dam. The dam is very special because it reduces the amount of water that flows past it (unlike normal dams, which merely change the equilibrium height of the water). What happens to the water level on the two sides of the dam? ”
You miss the key point: As atmospheric Greenhouse Gases increase, less thermal radiation escapes the planet. To maintain the flow of energy to space, the Planet warms so that thermal radiation leaving the surface of the planet increases again (in proportion to T^4, the Stefan-Boltzman relationship) to maintain energy leaving the planetary system equal to energy in (sun’s rays). Thus the planet warms –the entire point of the Greenhouse effect.
Then you say: “Oh, the things one finds in college textbooks. My professors used to mock them so.”
My response: I used to say that those that reject AGW believe in science, but just don’t understand the Greenhouse effect. But your quote says you reject Science in general.

mpainter
Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 3:41 pm

Warrenpound:
No cut & paste evidence for AGW at HotWhopper?
Try SKS. Oh.
Well, try RealClimate™. Oh
Well then try ah… whose else is left?

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 27, 2015 8:42 pm

warrenlb, here is an APS tutorial on the greenhouse effect. It’s all just S-B, as I noted and you denied.
The supposedly dangerous warming is due to the additional assumption of constant relative humidity, which is put into GCMs.
The CO2 collisional vs. radiative decay rates are about 15 microseconds and 0.43 seconds, respectively, at 220 K and 1 atm., for a ratio of about 29,000 (Curtis & Goody (1956) Thermal Radiation in the Upper Atmosphere Proc. Roy. Soc. Lond. A236, 193-206, doi: 10.1098/rspa.1956.0128. Again, as I noted.
Here is the IPCC on stratospheric cooling: “When the CO2 concentration is increased, the increase in absorbed radiation is quite small and increased emission leads to a cooling at all heights in the stratosphere.
Oh, well, warren.

Reply to  milodonharlani
February 28, 2015 2:55 pm

climate.nasa.gov.
The evidence.

Reply to  milodonharlani
March 1, 2015 10:55 am

warrenlb, that site contains no valid scientific evidence of human causality in any of the climate warming since 1900 (or before, for that matter).

mpainter
Reply to  milodonharlani
March 1, 2015 11:24 am

Warren Pound,
Pat Frank is right, your NASA site provides no evidence of human caused global warming (AGW), Just one bald assertion that AGW is the cause of the late warming trend.

cloa5132013
Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 3:09 am

So the point of peer review is to tell the reviewee to remove anything of value from the paper- just because the reviewers don’t understand or like what is presented. We sort of always knew that- basically peer review pre-publish has no critical analysis value.

Reply to  warrenlb
February 26, 2015 1:41 pm

Congratulations, warrenlb, you found a way to sustain your initial prejudice by embrace of self-serving and ignorant speculation. Factual neglect is hardly a quality to cultivate, but you’re working at it anyway.

Reply to  Pat Frank
February 26, 2015 9:01 pm

Pat Frank,
Right as usual.
warrenlb posted lots of assertions claiming that global warming is approaching lift-off. But as usual, warrenlb is flat wrong.
I could go down warrenlb’s list, starting with his false assertion that Arctic sea ice is “in rapid decline” [it isn’t], as I have done several times before, but why bother? He just cuts and pastes more misinformation.
The basic metric is this: global warming stopped, anywhere between ten and 18 years ago, depending on which measurement is used. In any case, global warming has stopped, and not just temporarily — it has been stopped for many years now.
That fact completely deconstructs warrenlb’s belief in CO2=CAGW [he says he doesn’t claim CAGW, but let’s get real. Of course he believes that. Why else would he argue incessantly?]
The fact is that there is nothing either unusual, or unprecedented happening. The climate Null Hypothesis has never been falsified. Thus, the alarmists’ Narrative is debunked. Rational folks understand that; only warrenlb is still clueless.

Reply to  warrenlb
February 27, 2015 8:48 pm

By the way, warren, and sorry to say, it’s no surprise my comments were “opaque gibberish” to you.

Reply to  Pat Frank
February 28, 2015 2:56 pm

For your education: climate.nasa.gov

Reply to  Pat Frank
February 28, 2015 6:03 pm

warrenlb, nothing at that site supports your denial of the S-B basis of climate alarm, supports your neglect of the significance of rapid collisional vs. slow radiative decay of CO2* in the troposphere, or supports your dismissal of CO2* radiative decay as the source of stratospheric cooling.
Let’s add that the entire NASA case, like that of the IPCC, rests solely upon the physical reliability of climate models; a position that lacks any scientifically valid foundation.

lbeyeler
February 25, 2015 1:47 pm

“The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. “
Is a nice sentence, but not true. I think it’s actually worse. The climate is influenced by unknown outside factors like asteroids, vulcans, sun fluctuations and more. What was it again that triggered an ice age, or ended an one?
Without those unpredictable factors, the climate might be predictable, if only we knew more…
Regards, lb

Reply to  lbeyeler
March 3, 2015 12:07 pm

It’s worse than you say:
No one knows what a normal climate is, if there is such a thing, and no one can agree what a pleasant climate would be — the wimmenfolk are always too cold, so they turn up the thermostat, then the men are too hot, and they turn down the thermostat, and the worst are fat women going through menopause — fuggetaboutit — they’re cold, then they’re warm, and then they’re crying — never happy with the climate.
.
So even if we humanoids could figure out how to control the climate like a thermostat, so predictions would NOT EVEN BE NECESSARY, there would be world wars over what average temperature to set for Earth.

Dr. Strangelove
February 25, 2015 9:53 pm

Pat Frank
Welcome to the club. My paper was rejected too back in 2010 by Journal of Geophysical Research. Guess what. The sole reviewer was an IPCC climate modeler. By the way, your 2008 Skeptic paper was one of my references in my paper. Good work.

richardscourtney
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
February 26, 2015 1:23 am
Reply to  Dr. Strangelove
February 26, 2015 1:43 pm

Thanks Dr. Strangelove. Maybe try Energy and Environment. Editor Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen is very open to quality analytical criticisms of the consensus.

February 25, 2015 11:52 pm

NO they aren’t scientists. Worse than that the climate modelers aren’t familiar with what’s needed to “draw” an algoritm to be used in computer-systemprogramming……
Please let us know where they spent their days when others listen to tutors and learnt. Dreaming?

Jeef
February 26, 2015 10:00 pm

Thanks for the interesting post. I understand exactly where you’re coming from and cannot believe your peer reviewers fail to, unless their deliberate misinterpretation is designed to delay publication until after they write the rebuttal and present it as original work.
Now, where’s that happened before…..

Reply to  Jeef
February 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Thanks, Jeef, though I hope your suspicions are not predictive.

February 27, 2015 1:47 pm

“Now suppose Rowlands, et al., tuned the parameters of the HADCM3L model so that it precisely reproduced the observed air temperature line.
Would it mean the HADCM3L had suddenly attained the ability to produce a unique solution to the climate energy-state?”
It’s worst than you think, Pat. They would answer with a resounding YES.
In fact, the standard line (on SkS and RC, among others) is “if the hindcast is accurate, there’s no reason to think the forecasts aren’t accurate.” This in defiance of all empirical evidence, common sense, and modelling theory. Mind-boggling.

Reply to  talldave2
February 27, 2015 8:52 pm

talldave2, the SkS and RC views you describe are identical to ‘correlation = causation.’ It’s a fundamental mistake rife in consensus climatology. It’s a-science.

Peter Newnam
February 28, 2015 2:07 am

Song to the tune “I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General” from “The Pirates of Penzance” music by Sir Arthur Sullivan, original words by W.S. Gilbert] Sung by two Climate Modellers – M1 & M2.
(M1 & M2):We are the very model for all modern Climate Modellers
We forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
By using tricks that would excite a high priest of the Aztecs
For example those subjective “priors” in Baysian stitastecs?? (pauses)
(M1): Our models have been classified as “complex” (M2): Make that “very”
(M1&M2): That are built upon assumptions by default are arbitrary;
So we get a lot of flack about our “dubious” hypotheses, (thinks)
That others take to then promote their cataclysmic prophesies.
(Background chorus)
That others take to then promote their cataclysmic prophesies.
That others take to then promote their cataclysmic prophesies.
That others take to then promote their cataclysmic prophe-prophesies.
(Modelers)
It’s obvious that leaders hang on every word we utter we
Call anyone who disagrees a mal-contented nutter we
Forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
We are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.
(Background chorus)
They forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
They are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.
(Modelers)
Comparing obs to models we maintain without compunction:
That when obs aren’t in agreement “It is instrument mal-function”
It’s the only explanation our position’s categorical,
“The obs must match the models because models are The Oracle”.
We try to use a history so the curve-fit looks re’listic we mix
Celsius and Fahrenheit and other faults simplistic and we
Always have a choice of trends so we can choose the greater set.
(pauses to think)
We don’t archive our data; ‘case we change it for a later set.
(Background chorus)
So they don’t archive their data; they may want to change it later
So they don’t archive their data; they may want to change it later
No they don’t archive their data; they may want to change it late-it later.
(Modelers)
We’ll make dire pronouncements that some N.G.O. can seize upon
To pressurize a government for action it agrees upon
We forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
We are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.
(Background chorus)
They forecasts things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
They are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.
(Modelers)
We mix with peers and journos at expensive destinations
All go but we keep going as it has its compensations
We group at airport lounges; (M1): I’m the consummate jet-setter-er)
We’re constantly in transit flying business class or better-er.
(M2): At conferences I’m centre stage and eager to engage in chat
As long as my response can start “I’m really glad you asked me that”
(M1): On broader issues my colleagues agree on one essential, (thinks)
(M1&M2) It’s plain to us the masses have become too affluential.
(Background chorus)
It’s plain to them the masses have become too affluential
It’s plain to them the masses have become too affluential
It’s plain to them the masses have become too affluen-fluential.
(Modelers)
It’s in our job description that of all the things we have to do
The most important one by far is demonizing CO2
We forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
We are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.
(Background chorus)
They forecast things for foolish kings and not precocious toddlers
They are the very model for all Modern Climate Modellers.

Reply to  Peter Newnam
March 3, 2015 12:12 pm

Great job. Brilliant lyrics. You made my day. Anyone who takes the coming climate change catastrophe boogeyman seriously should have his head examined. I can say for sure, based on your comedy, that you do not need your head examined. I’m sure they would find nothing.

March 2, 2015 7:32 am

Very interesting Reading! Thanks a lot, Pat!
It would be very interesting to learn/know a bit about the people writing these ‘Climate Models’, ‘names & numbers’.
Cheers from Sweden.
//TJ

Reply to  Thomas Jakobsson
March 2, 2015 8:11 am

Thanks, Thomas.
Some consideration of privacy, a touch of personal sympathy, and a bit of ethical discretion keep me from naming editorial names. I don’t know who the reviewers were, though one became easy to identify from the content of the review.

March 3, 2015 11:57 am

Are climate modelers scientists?
Of course not.
Real science requires data.
Computer games are not data.
Therefore they are not real science.
I’ve been saying that since the late 1990s.
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Leftists, who claim to be ‘environmentalists’, input whatever the ‘boogeyman of the year is — DDT — acid rain — hole in the ozone layer — Alar in apples — etc. — etc. — global warming — into a REALLY BIG COMPUTER, and then it makes humming and grinding noises, lots of lights flash, and then there’s a puff of smoke, and that REALLY BIG COMPUTER ejects a piece of paper that predicts the future results of that environmental boogeyman… but it seems the prediction is always the same: “Life on Earth will end as we know it.”, and there’s a chart that looks like a hockey stick that proves it.
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And then the computer gamer, with a science degree, applies for another government grant to play computer games for another year to “study” the catastrophe he just predicted.
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This has worked for 45 years so far, thanks to the process developed in the 1960s by Roger Revelle — predict doom in a very serious voice — use a lot of hand gestures — claim 105% confidence in your prediction — and ask for a goobermint grant not for yourself, but to save the Earth.
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Governments LOVE to have a crisis to “solve”: a real one, or imagined like the ‘global warming crisis’ … and they all “require” more government spending, more government taxes on corporations, more government regulations, more government power to micro-manage people’s lives … all supported by a foundation of climate astrology …er …I mean computer models.
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If you were a nerdy scientist and could a great salary for playing computer games in an air-conditioned office, get in the media by making a scary climate prediction, and possibly become famous — maybe even getting to fly to an overseas global warming conference in Al Gore’s private jet, and while doing all of this you can tell everyone you are working” hard” (9am to 5pm heh heh) “to save the Earth” …. as compared to being a real scientist getting a mediocre salary, having to write scientific books your wife wouldn’t even read, having to gather data and samples in the too hot, or too cold, field, and doing experiments in a warm, smelly laboratory on unobtanium, where you could accidentally set your tie on fire with a bunsen burner, well, which one would you choose?
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Playing computer games to “save the Earth”, of course
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But think of the good news about the (never) coming climate change catastrophe:
No one has been, or will be, harmed by climate change, and since Earth’s climate is always changing, there can be a permanent “war” on climate (to keep goobermint bureaucrats busy).
More climate ranting and raving here:
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