Are Climate Modelers Scientists?

Guest essay by Pat Frank

For going on two years now, I’ve been trying to publish a manuscript that critically assesses the reliability of climate model projections. The manuscript has been submitted twice and rejected twice from two leading climate journals, for a total of four rejections. All on the advice of nine of ten reviewers. More on that below.

The analysis propagates climate model error through global air temperature projections, using a formalized version of the “passive warming model” (PWM) GCM emulator reported in my 2008 Skeptic article. Propagation of error through a GCM temperature projection reveals its predictive reliability.

Those interested can consult the invited poster (2.9 MB pdf) I presented at the 2013 AGU Fall Meeting in San Francisco. Error propagation is a standard way to assess the reliability of an experimental result or a model prediction. However, climate models are never assessed this way.

Here’s an illustration: the Figure below shows what happens when the average ±4 Wm-2 long-wave cloud forcing error of CMIP5 climate models [1], is propagated through a couple of Community Climate System Model 4 (CCSM4) global air temperature projections.

CCSM4 is a CMIP5-level climate model from NCAR, where Kevin Trenberth works, and was used in the IPCC AR5 of 2013. Judy Curry wrote about it here.

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In panel a, the points show the CCSM4 anomaly projections of the AR5 Representative Concentration Pathways (RCP) 6.0 (green) and 8.5 (blue). The lines are the PWM emulations of the CCSM4 projections, made using the standard RCP forcings from Meinshausen. [2] The CCSM4 RCP forcings may not be identical to the Meinhausen RCP forcings. The shaded areas are the range of projections across all AR5 models (see AR5 Figure TS.15). The CCSM4 projections are in the upper range.

In panel b, the lines are the same two CCSM4 RCP projections. But now the shaded areas are the uncertainty envelopes resulting when ±4 Wm-2 CMIP5 long wave cloud forcing error is propagated through the projections in annual steps.

The uncertainty is so large because ±4 W m-2 of annual long wave cloud forcing error is ±114´ larger than the annual average 0.035 Wm-2 forcing increase of GHG emissions since 1979. Typical error bars for CMIP5 climate model projections are about ±14 C after 100 years and ±18 C after 150 years.

It’s immediately clear that climate models are unable to resolve any thermal effect of greenhouse gas emissions or tell us anything about future air temperatures. It’s impossible that climate models can ever have resolved an anthropogenic greenhouse signal; not now nor at any time in the past.

Propagation of errors through a calculation is a simple idea. It’s logically obvious. It’s critically important. It gets pounded into every single freshman physics, chemistry, and engineering student.

And it has escaped the grasp of every single Ph.D. climate modeler I have encountered, in conversation or in review.

That brings me to the reason I’m writing here. My manuscript has been rejected four times; twice each from two high-ranking climate journals. I have responded to a total of ten reviews.

Nine of the ten reviews were clearly written by climate modelers, were uniformly negative, and recommended rejection. One reviewer was clearly not a climate modeler. That one recommended publication.

I’ve had my share of scientific debates. A couple of them not entirely amiable. My research (with colleagues) has over-thrown four ‘ruling paradigms,’ and so I’m familiar with how scientists behave when they’re challenged. None of that prepared me for the standards at play in climate science.

I’ll start with the conclusion, and follow on with the supporting evidence: never, in all my experience with peer-reviewed publishing, have I ever encountered such incompetence in a reviewer. Much less incompetence evidently common to a class of reviewers.

The shocking lack of competence I encountered made public exposure a civic corrective good.

Physical error analysis is critical to all of science, especially experimental physical science. It is not too much to call it central.

Result ± error tells what one knows. If the error is larger than the result, one doesn’t know anything. Geoff Sherrington has been eloquent about the hazards and trickiness of experimental error.

All of the physical sciences hew to these standards. Physical scientists are bound by them.

Climate modelers do not and by their lights are not.

I will give examples of all of the following concerning climate modelers:

  • They neither respect nor understand the distinction between accuracy and precision.
  • They understand nothing of the meaning or method of propagated error.
  • They think physical error bars mean the model itself is oscillating between the uncertainty extremes. (I kid you not.)
  • They don’t understand the meaning of physical error.
  • They don’t understand the importance of a unique result.

Bottom line? Climate modelers are not scientists. Climate modeling is not a branch of physical science. Climate modelers are unequipped to evaluate the physical reliability of their own models.

The incredibleness that follows is verbatim reviewer transcript; quoted in italics. Every idea below is presented as the reviewer meant it. No quotes are contextually deprived, and none has been truncated into something different than the reviewer meant.

And keep in mind that these are arguments that certain editors of certain high-ranking climate journals found persuasive.

1. Accuracy vs. Precision

The distinction between accuracy and precision is central to the argument presented in the manuscript, and is defined right in the Introduction.

The accuracy of a model is the difference between its predictions and the corresponding observations.

The precision of a model is the variance of its predictions, without reference to observations.

Physical evaluation of a model requires an accuracy metric.

There is nothing more basic to science itself than the critical distinction of accuracy from precision.

Here’s what climate modelers say:

“Too much of this paper consists of philosophical rants (e.g., accuracy vs. precision) …”

“[T]he author thinks that a probability distribution function (pdf) only provides information about precision and it cannot give any information about accuracy. This is wrong, and if this were true, the statisticians could resign.”

“The best way to test the errors of the GCMs is to run numerical experiments to sample the predicted effects of different parameters…”

“The author is simply asserting that uncertainties in published estimates [i.e., model precision – P] are not ‘physically valid’ [i.e., not accuracy – P]- an opinion that is not widely shared.”

Not widely shared among climate modelers, anyway.

The first reviewer actually scorned the distinction between accuracy and precision. This, from a supposed scientist.

The remainder are alternative declarations that model variance, i.e., precision, = physical accuracy.

The accuracy-precision difference was extensively documented to relevant literature in the manuscript, e.g., [3, 4].

The reviewers ignored that literature. The final reviewer dismissed it as mere assertion.

Every climate modeler reviewer who addressed the precision-accuracy question similarly failed to grasp it. I have yet to encounter one who understands it.

2. No understanding of propagated error

“The authors claim that published projections do not include ‘propagated errors’ is fundamentally flawed. It is clearly the case that the model ensemble may have structural errors that bias the projections.”

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

“The repeated statement that no prior papers have discussed propagated error in GCM projections is simply wrong (Rogelj (2013), Murphy (2007), Rowlands (2012)).”

Let’s take the reviewer examples in order:

Rogelj (2013) concerns the economic costs of mitigation. Their Figure 1b includes a global temperature projection plus uncertainty ranges. The uncertainties, “are based on a 600-member ensemble of temperature projections for each scenario…” [5]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Murphy (2007) write, “In order to sample the effects of model error, it is necessary to construct ensembles which sample plausible alternative representations of earth system processes.” [6]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Rowlands (2012) write, “Here we present results from a multi-thousand-member perturbed-physics ensemble of transient coupled atmosphere–ocean general circulation model simulations. “ and go on to state that, “Perturbed-physics ensembles offer a systematic approach to quantify uncertainty in models of the climate system response to external forcing, albeit within a given model structure.” [7]

I.e., the reviewer supposes that model precision = propagated error.

Not one of this reviewer’s examples of propagated error includes any propagated error, or even mentions propagated error.

Not only that, but not one of the examples discusses physical error at all. It’s all model precision.

This reviewer doesn’t know what propagated error is, what it means, or how to identify it. This reviewer also evidently does not know how to recognize physical error itself.

Another reviewer:

“Examples of uncertainty propagation: Stainforth, D. et al., 2005: Uncertainty in predictions of the climate response to rising levels of greenhouse gases. Nature 433, 403-406.

“M. Collins, R. E. Chandler, P. M. Cox, J. M. Huthnance, J. Rougier and D. B. Stephenson, 2012: Quantifying future climate change. Nature Climate Change, 2, 403-409.”

Let’s find out: Stainforth (2005) includes three Figures; Every single one of them presents error as projection variation. [8]

Here’s their Figure 1:

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Original Figure Legend: “Figure 1 Frequency distributions of T g (colours indicate density of trajectories per 0.1 K interval) through the three phases of the simulation. a, Frequency distribution of the 2,017 distinct independent simulations. b, Frequency distribution of the 414 model versions. In b, T g is shown relative to the value at the end of the calibration phase and where initial condition ensemble members exist, their mean has been taken for each time point.”

Here’s what they say about uncertainty: “[W]e have carried out a grand ensemble (an ensemble of ensembles) exploring uncertainty in a state-of-the-art model. Uncertainty in model response is investigated using a perturbed physics ensemble in which model parameters are set to alternative values considered plausible by experts in the relevant parameterization schemes.”

There it is: uncertainty is directly represented as model variability (density of trajectories; perturbed physics ensemble).

The remaining figures in Stainforth (2005) derive from this one. Propagated error appears nowhere and is nowhere mentioned.

Reviewer supposition: model precision = propagated error.

Collins (2012) state that adjusting model parameters so that projections approach observations is enough to “hope” that a model has physical validity. Propagation of error is never mentioned. Collins Figure 3 shows physical uncertainty as model variability about an ensemble mean. [9] Here it is:

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Original Legend: “Figure 3 | Global temperature anomalies. a, Global mean temperature anomalies produced using an EBM forced by historical changes in well-mixed greenhouse gases and future increases based on the A1B scenario from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s Special Report on Emission Scenarios. The different curves are generated by varying the feedback parameter (climate sensitivity) in the EBM. b, Changes in global mean temperature at 2050 versus global mean temperature at the year 2000, … The histogram on the x axis represents an estimate of the twentieth-century warming attributable to greenhouse gases. The histogram on the y axis uses the relationship between the past and the future to obtain a projection of future changes.”

Collins 2012, part a: model variability itself; part b: model variability (precision) represented as physical uncertainty (accuracy). Propagated error? Nowhere to be found.

So, once again, not one of this reviewer’s examples of propagated error actually includes any propagated error, or even mentions propagated error.

It’s safe to conclude that these climate modelers have no concept at all of propagated error. They apparently have no concept whatever of physical error.

Every single time any of the reviewers addressed propagated error, they revealed a complete ignorance of it.

3. Error bars mean model oscillation – wherein climate modelers reveal a fatal case of naive-freshman-itis.

“To say that this error indicates that temperatures could hugely cool in response to CO2 shows that their model is unphysical.”

“[T]his analysis would predict that the models will swing ever more wildly between snowball and runaway greenhouse states.”

“Indeed if we carry such error propagation out for millennia we find that the uncertainty will eventually be larger than the absolute temperature of the Earth, a clear absurdity.”

“An entirely equivalent argument [to the error bars] would be to say (accurately) that there is a 2K range of pre-industrial absolute temperatures in GCMs, and therefore the global mean temperature is liable to jump 2K at any time – which is clearly nonsense…”

Got that? These climate modelers think that “±” error bars imply the model itself is oscillating (liable to jump) between the error bar extremes.

Or that the bars from propagated error represent physical temperature itself.

No sophomore in physics, chemistry, or engineering would make such an ignorant mistake.

But Ph.D. climate modelers have invariably done. One climate modeler audience member did so verbally, during Q&A after my seminar on this analysis.

The worst of it is that both the manuscript and the supporting information document explained that error bars represent an ignorance width. Not one of these Ph.D. reviewers gave any evidence of having read any of it.

5. Unique Result – a concept unknown among climate modelers.

Do climate modelers understand the meaning and importance of a unique result?

“[L]ooking the last glacial maximum, the same models produce global mean changes of between 4 and 6 degrees colder than the pre-industrial. If the conclusions of this paper were correct, this spread (being so much smaller than the estimated errors of +/- 15 deg C) would be nothing short of miraculous.”

“In reality climate models have been tested on multicentennial time scales against paleoclimate data (see the most recent PMIP intercomparisons) and do reasonably well at simulating small Holocene climate variations, and even glacial-interglacial transitions. This is completely incompatible with the claimed results.”

“The most obvious indication that the error framework and the emulation framework

presented in this manuscript is wrong is that the different GCMs with well-known different cloudiness biases (IPCC) produce quite similar results, albeit a spread in the

climate sensitivities.”

Let’s look at where these reviewers get such confidence. Here’s an example from Rowlands, (2012) of what models produce. [7]

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Original Legend: “Figure 1 | Evolution of uncertainties in reconstructed global-mean temperature projections under SRES A1B in the HadCM3L ensemble.” [7]

The variable black line in the middle of the group represents the observed air temperature. I added the horizontal black lines at 1 K and 3 K, and the vertical red line at year 2055. Part of the red line is in the original figure, as the precision uncertainty bar.

This Figure displays thousands of perturbed physics simulations of global air temperatures. “Perturbed physics” means that model parameters are varied across their range of physical uncertainty. Each member of the ensemble is of equivalent weight. None of them are known to be physically more correct than any of the others.

The physical energy-state of the simulated climate varies systematically across the years. The horizontal black lines show that multiple physical energy states produce the same simulated 1 K or 3 K anomaly temperature.

The vertical red line at year 2055 shows that the identical physical energy-state (the year 2055 state) produces multiple simulated air temperatures.

These wandering projections do not represent natural variability. They represent how parameter magnitudes varied across their uncertainty ranges affect the temperature simulations of the HadCM3L model itself.

The Figure fully demonstrates that climate models are incapable of producing a unique solution to any climate energy-state.

That means simulations close to observations are not known to accurately represent the true physical energy-state of the climate. They just happen to have opportunistically wonderful off-setting errors.

That means, in turn, the projections have no informational value. They tell us nothing about possible future air temperatures.

There is no way to know which of the simulations actually represents the correct underlying physics. Or whether any of them do. And even if one of them happens to conform to the future behavior of the climate, there’s no way to know it wasn’t a fortuitous accident.

Models with large parameter uncertainties can not produce a unique prediction. The reviewers’ confident statements show they have no understanding of that, or of why it’s important.

Now suppose Rowlands, et al., tuned the parameters of the HADCM3L model so that it precisely reproduced the observed air temperature line.

Would it mean the HADCM3L had suddenly attained the ability to produce a unique solution to the climate energy-state?

Would it mean the HADCM3L was suddenly able to reproduce the correct underlying physics?

Obviously not.

Tuned parameters merely obscure uncertainty. They hide the unreliability of the model. It is no measure of accuracy that tuned models produce similar projections. Or that their projections are close to observations. Tuning parameter sets merely off-sets errors and produces a false and tendentious precision.

Every single recent, Holocene, or Glacial-era temperature hindcast is likewise non-unique. Not one of them validate the accuracy of a climate model. Not one of them tell us anything about any physically real global climate state. Not one single climate modeler reviewer evidenced any understanding of that basic standard of science.

Any physical scientist would (should) know this. The climate modeler reviewers uniformly do not.

6. An especially egregious example in which the petard self-hoister is unaware of the air underfoot.

Finally, I’d like to present one last example. The essay is already long, and yet another instance may be overkill.

But I finally decided it is better to risk reader fatigue than to not make a public record of what passes for analytical thinking among climate modelers. Apologies if it’s all become tedious.

This last truly demonstrates the abysmal understanding of error analysis at large in the ranks of climate modelers. Here we go:

“I will give (again) one simple example of why this whole exercise is a waste of time. Take a simple energy balance model, solar in, long wave out, single layer atmosphere, albedo and greenhouse effect. i.e. sigma Ts^4 = S (1-a) /(1 -lambda/2) where lambda is the atmospheric emissivity, a is the albedo (0.7), S the incident solar flux (340 W/m^2), sigma is the SB coefficient and Ts is the surface temperature (288K).

“The sensitivity of this model to an increase in lambda of 0.02 (which gives a 4 W/m2 forcing) is 1.19 deg C (assuming no feedbacks on lambda or a). The sensitivity of an erroneous model with an error in the albedo of 0.012 (which gives a 4 W/m^2 SW TOA flux error) to exactly the same forcing is 1.18 deg C.

“This the difference that a systematic bias makes to the sensitivity is two orders of magnitude less than the effect of the perturbation. The author’s equating of the response error to the bias error even in such a simple model is orders of magnitude wrong. It is exactly the same with his GCM emulator.”

The “difference” the reviewer is talking about is 1.19 C – 1.18 C = 0.01 C. The reviewer supposes that this 0.01 C is the entire uncertainty produced by the model due to a 4 Wm-2 offset error in either albedo or emissivity.

But it’s not.

First reviewer mistake: If 1.19 C or 1.18 C are produced by a 4 Wm-2 offset forcing error, then 1.19 C or 1.18 C are offset temperature errors. Not sensitivities. Their tiny difference, if anything, confirms the error magnitude.

Second mistake: The reviewer doesn’t know the difference between an offset error (a statistic) and temperature (a thermodynamic magnitude). The reviewer’s “sensitivity” is actually “error.”

Third mistake: The reviewer equates a 4 W/m2 energetic perturbation to a ±4 W/m2 physical error statistic.

This mistake, by the way, again shows that the reviewer doesn’t know to make a distinction between a physical magnitude and an error statistic.

Fourth mistake: The reviewer compares a single step “sensitivity” calculation to multi-step propagated error.

Fifth mistake: The reviewer is apparently unfamiliar with the generality that physical uncertainties express a bounded range of ignorance; i.e., “±” about some value. Uncertainties are never constant offsets.

Lemma to five: the reviewer apparently also does not know the correct way to express the uncertainties is ±lambda or ±albedo.

But then, inconveniently for the reviewer, if the uncertainties are correctly expressed, the prescribed uncertainty is ±4 W/m2 in forcing. The uncertainty is then obviously an error statistic and not an energetic malapropism.

For those confused by this distinction, no energetic perturbation can be simultaneously positive and negative. Earth to modelers, over. . .

When the reviewer’s example is expressed using the correct ± statistical notation, 1.19 C and 1.18 C become ±1.19 C and ±1.18 C.

And these are uncertainties for a single step calculation. They are in the same ballpark as the single-step uncertainties presented in the manuscript.

As soon as the reviewer’s forcing uncertainty enters into a multi-step linear extrapolation, i.e., a GCM projection, the ±1.19 C and ±1.18 C uncertainties would appear in every step, and must then propagate through the steps as the root-sum-square. [3, 10]

After 100 steps (a centennial projection) ±1.18 C per step propagates to ±11.8 C.

So, correctly done, the reviewer’s own analysis validates the very manuscript that the reviewer called a “waste of time.” Good job, that.

This reviewer:

  • doesn’t know the meaning of physical uncertainty.
  • doesn’t distinguish between model response (sensitivity) and model error. This mistake amounts to not knowing to distinguish between an energetic perturbation and a physical error statistic.
  • doesn’t know how to express a physical uncertainty.
  • and doesn’t know the difference between single step error and propagated error.

So, once again, climate modelers:

  • neither respect nor understand the distinction between accuracy and precision.
  • are entirely ignorant of propagated error.
  • think the ± bars of propagated error mean the model itself is oscillating.
  • have no understanding of physical error.
  • have no understanding of the importance or meaning of a unique result.

No working physical scientist would fall for any one of those mistakes, much less all of them. But climate modelers do.

And this long essay does not exhaust the multitude of really basic mistakes in scientific thinking these reviewers made.

Apparently, such thinking is critically convincing to certain journal editors.

Given all this, one can understand why climate science has fallen into such a sorry state. Without the constraint of observational physics, it’s open season on finding significations wherever one likes and granting indulgence in science to the loopy academic theorizing so rife in the humanities. [11]

When mere internal precision and fuzzy axiomatics rule a field, terms like consistent with, implies, might, could, possible, likely, carry definitive weight. All are freely available and attachable to pretty much whatever strikes one’s fancy. Just construct your argument to be consistent with the consensus. This is known to happen regularly in climate studies, with special mentions here, here, and here.

One detects an explanation for why political sentimentalists like Naomi Oreskes and Naomi Klein find climate alarm so homey. It is so very opportune to polemics and mindless righteousness. (What is it about people named Naomi, anyway? Are there any tough-minded skeptical Naomis out there? Post here. Let us know.)

In their rejection of accuracy and fixation on precision, climate modelers have sealed their field away from the ruthless indifference of physical evidence, thereby short-circuiting the critical judgment of science.

Climate modeling has left science. It has become a liberal art expressed in mathematics. Call it equationized loopiness.

The inescapable conclusion is that climate modelers are not scientists. They don’t think like scientists, they are not doing science. They have no idea how to evaluate the physical validity of their own models.

They should be nowhere near important discussions or decisions concerning science-based social or civil policies.


References:

1. Lauer, A. and K. Hamilton, Simulating Clouds with Global Climate Models: A Comparison of CMIP5 Results with CMIP3 and Satellite Data. J. Climate, 2013. 26(11): p. 3823-3845.

2. Meinshausen, M., et al., The RCP greenhouse gas concentrations and their extensions from 1765 to 2300. Climatic Change, 2011. 109(1-2): p. 213-241.

The PWM coefficients for the CCSM4 emulations were: RCP 6.0 fCO₂ = 0.644, a = 22.76 C; RCP 8.5, fCO₂ = 0.651, a = 23.10 C.

3. JCGM, Evaluation of measurement data — Guide to the expression of uncertainty in measurement. 100:2008, Bureau International des Poids et Mesures: Sevres, France.

4. Roy, C.J. and W.L. Oberkampf, A comprehensive framework for verification, validation, and uncertainty quantification in scientific computing. Comput. Methods Appl. Mech. Engineer., 2011. 200(25-28): p. 2131-2144.

5. Rogelj, J., et al., Probabilistic cost estimates for climate change mitigation. Nature, 2013. 493(7430): p. 79-83.

6. Murphy, J.M., et al., A methodology for probabilistic predictions of regional climate change from perturbed physics ensembles. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society A: Mathematical, Physical and Engineering Sciences, 2007. 365(1857): p. 1993-2028.

7. Rowlands, D.J., et al., Broad range of 2050 warming from an observationally constrained large climate model ensemble. Nature Geosci, 2012. 5(4): p. 256-260.

8. Stainforth, D.A., et al., Uncertainty in predictions of the climate response to rising levels of greenhouse gases. Nature, 2005. 433(7024): p. 403-406.

9. Collins, M., et al., Quantifying future climate change. Nature Clim. Change, 2012. 2(6): p. 403-409.

10. Bevington, P.R. and D.K. Robinson, Data Reduction and Error Analysis for the Physical Sciences. 3rd ed. 2003, Boston: McGraw-Hill. 320.

11. Gross, P.R. and N. Levitt, Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and its Quarrels with Science. 1994, Baltimore, MD: Johns Hopkins University. May be the most intellectually enjoyable book, ever.

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February 24, 2015 1:07 am

“For going on two years now, I’ve been trying to publish a manuscript that critically assesses the reliability of climate model projections”
Dana Nuccitelli says models do a good job.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/feb/23/climatology-versus-pseudoscience-new-book-checks-whose-predictions-have-been-right

Mervyn
February 24, 2015 1:21 am

Dana Nuccitelli thinks models do a good job. That is irrelevant. Models will never succeed in simulating the climate system and the reasoning is brilliantly presented in the following video:

Paul mackey
February 24, 2015 1:38 am

Brilliant. Well done.

Pethefin
February 24, 2015 1:49 am

Stop wasting your time with “climate journals”. They continue their gate-keeping while your message is being missed in the climate policy debate. Why not try publishing your paper in a journal where peer review is not redefined in order to protect the AGW-hypothesis and the climate model industry?

pat
February 24, 2015 1:49 am

Dana’n’John should be busy investigating if modelling TC Marcia as a Cat 5 is valid:
23 Feb: Joannenova: Category Five storms aren’t what they used to be
The 295 km/hr wind speed was repeated on media all over the world, but how was it measured? Not with any anemometer apparently — it was modeled. If the BOM is describing a Cat 2 or 3 as a “Cat 5″, that’s a pretty serious allegation. Is the weather bureau “homogenising” wind speeds between stations?…
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/02/category-five-storms-arent-what-they-used-to-be/#comment-1684713
australian CAGW sceptics have made the MSM and BOM has admitted no Cat 5 cyclone passed over Queensland. not that most MSM and the public have grasped this fact, as yet, such has been the hysteria:
24 Feb: Courier-Mail: Climate researcher questions Cyclone Marcia’s category 5 status
Jennifer Morohasy said the bureau had used computer modelling rather than early readings from weather stations to determine that Marcia was a category 5 cyclone, not a category 3…
Systems Engineering Australia principal Bruce Harper, a modelling and risk assessment consultant who analyses cyclones, said it was often difficult to determine whether a storm was a marginal 3, 4 or 5.
What was important was that after the bureau conducted its post-storm analysis, it told people that they experienced category 3 impacts as it passed over the land.
It was dangerous for residents to be thinking they had survived a category 5 when it was a storm that degraded quickly…
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/climate-researcher-questions-cyclone-marcias-category-5-status/story-fnkt21jb-1227236188297

me3
February 24, 2015 1:51 am

Amateur statisticians?

February 24, 2015 1:52 am

Oh, they’re scientists. Just lousy scientists. Doesn’t take much to get a science degree these days. As becomes evident from the quality of the papers being routinely published in this field.

poitsplace
February 24, 2015 1:54 am

Unfortunately, with our current “everyone goes to college” mentality, the gifted scientists have been crowded out by an army of degreed morons.

ConfusedPhoton
February 24, 2015 2:04 am

“Are Climate Modelers Scientists?”
No they are just gamers

Brute
February 24, 2015 2:05 am

Pat, I appreciate the effort and, without getting into the merits of your work, rejection is part and parcel of academic/scientific publishing. An author that has not been rejected many more than 4 four times is an author that is either a genius or hustler. My advice is that you keep on trying. Don’t let the malice of incompetent reviewers get in your way.

February 24, 2015 2:05 am

Whew. +18C or -15C ! That really would be Climate Change™
Luckily, Gaia and her negative feedback mechanisms are smarter than all the climate scientists and their models put together.
Loved this characterisation : “a liberal art expressed in mathematics”

Scottish Sceptic
February 24, 2015 2:13 am

Are Climate Modelers Scientists?
No! And those falsely claiming to be scientists should be challenged by sceptics and the public made aware of their bogus claims.

cloa5132013
February 24, 2015 2:21 am

It just shows that mathematicians are not scientists. They think an internal inconsistent quantity of the sum to all integers equals -1/12. A sum that exceeds infinity.

Admin
February 24, 2015 2:31 am

I think I’m going to start referring to climate models as “compound error machines”.

knr
February 24, 2015 2:34 am

Are Climate Modelers Scientists?
Its a good question for another reason , when we consider what is a climate scientists we find that there is in fact there is no agreed definition of what this means. Given it is a term that has been applied to failed politicians and railway engineers and a host of others who have had no formal acedmic training in the area , we can see that in pratice its far from clear what actually makes a person a climate scientists.
From the alarmist prospective its simply , a climate ‘scientists’ is someone that works to support AGW . Its very useful way of looking at it because they can claim that no climate ‘scientists’ disagrees with them , therefore other ‘none ‘ climate ‘scientists’ can safely be ignored .
However its also an entirely dishonest way of looking at it , because even those climate ‘scientists’ they like vary on how they view the situation , the consensus is no such thing . Secondly there are clearly those who work in the area , whose training and academic standing at least equal others but who do not share the alarmist prospective . therefore should have the right to be called climate ‘scientists’ in any fair and honest system.
Always worth remember that when the infamous 97% claim is pulled out , that in pratice given they simply have no idea who many scientists , climate or otherwise , there is that they cannot know how many would be in the whole group for which a sub-group is supposed be a percentage off. So even setting aside the many problems of its methodology, the claim itself fails at a basic maths level, which shows even setting aside the many problems of the the value of this claim is the same as ‘nine out of ten cats prefer.

February 24, 2015 2:41 am

in a vague sense. As a Meteorologist we hold more comprehension of all that climate stuff by virtue of climate being front and center in forecasting. I can also call the bluffs of forecasters just by the wording they use.
I love WUWT!

February 24, 2015 2:52 am

You’re preaching to the choir on this site. Try posting this on skepticalscience or a Greenpeace website if you wish to educate someone new.
I will attach this link and post on a few myself 🙂

Truthseeker
February 24, 2015 2:55 am

Science is about discovery of something previously not known or defined.
A model cannot contain anything that is not already known. A model can be useful to describe well understood outcomes where the variables are controllable or known.
Climate is a chaotic non-linear system where the variables are not controllable or known to any great extent.
Therefore Climate models are not science.
Q.E.D.

Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy
February 24, 2015 2:55 am

n this connection, I would like to present my own experience in early 90s. I submitted a paper to an international journal. One reviewer pointed minor corrections and approved for publication and the 2nd reviewer gave excellent marks but at the end he made a statement saying it can also be fitted to linear curve. With this the regional editor rejected the paper for publication. Then I wrote a detailed letter to the Editor-in-chief of the journal. He sent this letter to three regional editors. All agreed with my observations and asked me to split in to three parts. They published these in 1995. All the three relate to papers by Editorial committee members. One of the paper related to climate change. The abstract states that “Climate change and its impact on environment, and thus the consequent effects on human, animal and plant life, is a hot topic for discussion at national and international forums both at scientific and political levels. However, the basis for such discussions are scientific reports. Unless these are based on sound foundation, the consequent effects will be costly to exchequer”. Here the authors tried to look into the impact of temperature and rainfall increase on ETp [evapotranspiration] and thus on crop factors. The percentage changes in ETp attributed to climate change can also be attributed [partly] to scientists’ induced factors, such as (i) the choice of ETp model and ETp model vs environment; (ii) probable changes in meteorological parameters due to climate change, expressed as absolute change or percentage change; and (iii) ETp changes expressed in terms of absolute changes or percentage changes. All these explained in the article using their article. Second paper deals with overemphasis on energy terms in crop yield models. — Three different groups working under three different country conditions come up with different conclusions on the impact of energy term on crop yield. Models to be more meaningful, in physical and practical sense, and to be applicable in wider environmental context, should be addressed under holistic systems by taking in to account abundantly available information in the literature on all principal components of a model. . With this, I presented an integrated curve that fits all the three conditions.
Dr. S. Jeevananda Reddy

February 24, 2015 3:00 am

“neither respect nor understand the distinction between accuracy and precision.”
Damn, we learned that in year 11 chemistry. Our chemistry teacher was, arguably, better than our physics teacher. He had strict standards but was rarely unnecessarily strict.
I’d like to make a point which perhaps might be as clarifying to you as it is to me (although I could be totally off, like an athlete who keeps on running even though the race is over). I say that there is a huge difference between EMULATION and SIMULATION.
Climate simulators are exactly that – they are superficially modelling a climate system. But they are not emulators, and an emulator behaves exactly like the original. And it is becoming obvious to me that one cannot in fact emulate a climate.
Is anyone here into retro computing? Then you’ll know that a computer emulator lets you perfectly imitate a different platform on a foreign host. For example, you can run an Atari ST emulator on a modern Macintosh. That emulator lets you run the system software and applications as if it was the original – there is no difference, save for bugs.
An Atari ST emulator, one of several, can be downloaded here:
http://www.atari.st/pacifist/
I once wrote an ST simulator in JavaScript. It merely resembled the ST’s desktop – it could not run software, save data, or anything. It just superficially resembled the desktop, with its drop-down menus and icons. Here is what it sort of looked like, though this is not mine:
http://www.atari.st/
As for statistics, lots of blowhards think they know statistics. I am a hack with some knowledge but I don’t pretend otherwise.
The psychologist Dr. Richard Wiseman thought he had ‘debunked’ a parapsychology meta-analysis but used incorrect statistics to do it.
Naomi Oreskes seems to think that p values of <0.05 are just 'convention' and apparently knows nothing about standard deviation. And because we apparently know that AGW is true, we don't need those high standards, so let's settle for <0.10 (which, when you think about it, makes no sense, because if AGW is so obviously true, all uncertainty about it would easily fall below 0.05).
And of course we have the usual bullshit PR nonsense that mammograms are 80%+ accurate, that HIV tests are 99% accurate, etc, etc.
On the name of Naomi: One of my favourite actresses is Naomi Watts. One Naomi I know is very gentle. Another is an in-law and is beautiful and happy. I guess it depends on geography!

Tony
February 24, 2015 3:01 am

The IPCC doesn’t have any models. They just have black box hindcast curve fitting. It is impossible to model anything when most of the science is unknown. Finite approximations are a joke when the cells are so big as to completely miss features climate features as huge as thunderstorms.
The real test of a real climate model will be whether it can predict the weather next week. Don’t hold your breath.

Dorian
February 24, 2015 3:04 am

Once again we have to do this stupid story again.
Climate Science is based upon statistical analysis and computer modellling. Neither of which are scientific. At best, they may, and I say “may”, be assumed to be some sort of loose engineering, but sience they are not, never have been, and never will be.
Statistical analysis is a methodology of extracting information out of raw data. The problem is that supposed methodology has nothing to do with physical reality. It only deals with taking biased assumptions from the statistician and looking for the best mathematical construct to overlay on the data, and then extrapolate a physical reason. Whereas, real science, works the other way around, it is about taking solid reality based physical observations and let the mathematics evolve from the facts and data. In other words, science is about taking physical events and looking for the math, while statistics and therefore climate science, is about taking theoretical models and looking for the physics, which is not science, but religion by Ex Cathedra.
Yes Climate Science is an oxymoron, there is no science in “Climate Science”, it is just pure religion. And as I have been pointing out for quite some time now, Climate Science is not the only religion in science, we have the same problems in Physics (cosmology and astrophysics), Biology (evolution and BCS theory), Economics (macroeconomics), Archaeology (Egyptology and Sumerology), Anthropology, Paleontology and so on.
Focusing on the details on what is wrong with the reviewers will not change anything. Academia and the academic practice is now largely determined by “Ex Cathedra”. The true scientific method and the presuit of knowledge has now broadly been usurped by religious attitudes and protected by priests, high-priets and godlike mentalities. You can thank tenure for this. As tenure was once supposed to protect the voice or reason and progress, like everything once it has been around long enough, it is now corrupted. Tenure only now largely serves to protect, the criminal, dishonest, incompetent and meglomaniacs.
For thousands of years society, knowledge and science evolved without the use of tenure. But now, universities and schools are entering a new dark age of knowledge, where Science will be determined by the priests, pope, gods of the academic church, and not only backed but empowered with might of arms of the police and military the governments wield through the use of undemocratic legislation and the court system.
Science has only itself the blame for this disaster we are in. Complain all you like about the morons, idiots, incompetents, buffoons and meglomaniacs of academia. Just remember how they got there? They got there, because every one of you who went to university and played along with the rise of these corrupt people. Don’t forget as much as you like to criticize these thieves and criminals, they too have Ph.Ds, they too have Chairs of distinction, they too control the journals of note (like Nature, Physics Letters etc), they too run the departments as Deans, they too win the accolades, they too have built up reputations based upon their army of accolytes and sycophants, they too have the ears and attention of corrupt governments, and ABOVE ALL THEY, NOT YOU HAVE CONTROL OF THE AGENDA….ALL THANKS TO YOU FOR NOT DOING YOUR JOBS, when you should have been doing them in the past.
And now everybody is crying poor Science! This has been a long time in coming. I saw this when I went through my years at university in physics, where people lied on their papers about their results, where they took 1 set of data, and published multiple papers (in one case I remember well a Ph.D candidate got 7 papers from the same set of results in 7 different PRESTIGIOUS journals!), how those candidates supported the right Professor, got excellent funding, and those who didn’t, just hard ship, how researchers all around the world formed cliques of mutual interest and passed each other’s papers in the review process, how data was convienently fudged to look good, and when the raw data was asked for confirmation, it was always conveniently lost. Ah how many papers are out there in all these fields of endeavour are false? How many? 10, 20, 30% or more? You will be surprised if you did the same analysis above to all the papers, you would probably fail some 80 to 90% of all papers! How do I know this? For I too once reviewed, once! Not any more, for I too used to do the same analysis on every single paper, and barely 10% passed, and that only after revisions were made, and then the word came, I am failing to many papers, and that was the end of that. Standards must never be kept in Science, they must always be lessened, it so appears.
What are you people all crowing about! This blog entry is RIDICULOUS!
Go to any, ANY JOURNAL. Take a random sampling of 10 papers and put them through a thorough analytical review, INCLUDING, checking all the references (and here is another sneaking perversion of science), you will find that 8 or maybe 9 of them FAIL!
Complain all you like guys. But the truth is this, we have fields of endeavour that now belong more in science fiction movies than in academia. For example, we give Noble Prizes in Economics, are you aware that NOT A SINGLE THEORY IN ECONOMICS HAS EVER WORKED. That’s right economics is pure poppy-cock, and yet we teach it. Evolution absolulely no proof for evolution. Biological Classification theory is totally based upon committee, NO SCIENCE. Cosmology all based upon data and photos that nobody can verify. High Energy physics and String Theory has so many holes in it that it makes a black hole look full. How about Psychology, there is no science in it, psychiatry and its bible the DSM is run by committee – no science, no evidence, no proof, how many people are declared ill and forced, by even the courts, to take meds that have ABSOLUTELY no proof of aid.
You guys are complaining about Climate Science! Bwahahahahahahah!
We have so many problems that are far far greater. Our university systems need an over haul. Our economies need to be restructured, our democractic rights are being eroded by corrrupt incomptetent governments. Our Scientific journals are FILLED with rubbish.
You have lost sight of reality if you think that doing a paper review is going to change this problem, the problem of lying cheaters who never should have gotten a degree in science in the first place, for ….
THE LUNATICS ARE NOW RUNNING THE ASYLUM (aka university).
THE QUESTION YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASKING IS THIS….
HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE LUNATICS AND GET SOME SANITY BACK INTO THE SYSTEM?
Reviewing papers is not the issue, MORONS, LUNATICS AND SHARLATANS RUNNING AROUND AND MASQUERADING AS SCIENTISTS, PHYSICISTS, BIOLOGISTS, ECONOMISTS, POLITICIANS, JUDGES, AND NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS ARE THE PROBLEM?
How do we clean up system? For get about the toilet paper these people write, that’s easy to fix, you flush it down the toilet. How do we stop creating more of these lunatics?

Ed Zuiderwijk
February 24, 2015 3:13 am

There are three aspects of the global weather/climate system that are fundamental to its workings: the Pacific Decadal Oscillation, the North Atlantic Oscillation and the El Nino/La Nina perturbations. Any atmosphere/ocean coupled model worth its salt should have phenomena similar to these as emergent from simulations (that is with extent and time scales similar to the real thing). None of them do. Therefore somethings very fundamental are not yet understood let alone included in those models.
That climate modellers nevertheless think those models are good enough to base public policy on shows that they lack the self-criticism inherent in real science. They therefore are little more than glorified similators. Their models relate to the real world as cartoon figures to real people.

FAH
February 24, 2015 3:17 am

It is with deep sadness we note the passing of the Null Hypothesis in climate science. Born about 1925, Null has had a long and distinguished career testing the significance of an immense variety of theories and conjectures. In particular, Null brought to science a realization of the medical injunction to “First do no harm,” by not claiming the truth of a hypothesis without clear evidence. Unfortunately, in recent years Null fell into declining health, contracting a serious case of consensus from which Null never fully recovered. Finally, when complications set in from natural variability and other signs of “bad data,” Null finally expired. In lieu of flowers, Null’s estate asks that you donate to the statistician of your choice.

Oatley
February 24, 2015 3:18 am

Take heart, your post is important.

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