There is an anti-human TV program on the History Channel called Life After People, which portrays the aftermath of the imaginary scenario where all people on Earth suddenly vanished in a rapture-like event tomorrow.
I’ve often seen it flipping channels, and it has always been my impression that it represents the ultimate utopian vision of radical environmentalists, who see people as a scourge on the planet, sort of a Fear and self loathing in Las Vegas applied to Gaia.
I get word from Dr. David Deming, Geologist at the University of Oklahoma, of an essay he has composed asking about what would happen to people if fossil fuel based energy disappeared tomorrow. Deming asks this simple question: What would happen if we gave the environmentalists what they want?
It is an eye opener for those that really don’t think much about where the energy they use daily comes from. I’ve excerpted parts of it below, and I have a few observations of my own that follow.
What If Atlas Shrugged?
by David Deming
Atlas Shrugged is the title of Ayn Rand’s 1957 novel in which the world grinds to a halt after the productive segment of society goes on strike. Tired of being demonized and exploited, the world’s innovators and entrepreneurs simply walk away.
What would happen to the US today if the fossil fuel industry went on a strike of indefinite duration? What would happen if we gave the environmentalists what they want?
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Within 24 hours there would be long lines at service stations as people sought to purchase remaining stocks of gasoline. The same people who denounce oil companies would be desperately scrounging the last drops of available fuel for their SUVs. By the third day, all the gasoline would be gone.
With no diesel fuel, the trucking industry would grind to a halt. Almost all retail goods in the US are delivered by trucks. Grocery shelves would begin to empty. Food production at the most basic levels would also stop.
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With no trains or trucks running there would be no way to deliver either raw materials or finished products. All industrial production and manufacturing would stop. Mass layoffs would ensue. At this point, it would hardly matter. With virtually all transportation systems out, the only people who could work would be those who owned horses or were capable of walking to their places of employment.
Owners of electric cars might smirk at first, but would soon be forced to the unpleasant reality that the vehicle they thought was “emission free” runs on coal. Forty-two percent of electric power in the US is produced by burning coal.
With natural gas also out of the picture, we would lose another 25 percent. The environmentalist’s favorite power sources, wind and solar, could not fill the gap. Wind power currently generates about 3 percent of our electricity and solar power accounts for a scant 0.04 percent. The only reliable power sources left would be hydroelectric and nuclear. But together these two sources could only power the grid at 27 percent of its normal capacity. With two-thirds of the electric power gone, the grid would shut down entirely.
Read his full essay here. (note: this link does not imply endorsement of the website on which the essay resides – Anthony)
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Here are a few observations of my own about what would happen if fossil fuels disappeared tomorrow:
- After elevated tanks of municipal water systems were depleted of drinking water in a few days, there would be no more water supply. This would force people to start looking for alternate sources, and we’d be back to a time when water treatment was unknown. Disease and death would follow for many as tainted water spreads disease. People with water wells would have to tear out electric pumps and install hand pumps or windmills to get water.
- Related to the first point, toilets would be useless without water to flush them. Fecal matter disposal becomes an issue as gravity fed sewage systems eventually clog, and eventually fecal matter will end up in streams and rivers contributing to the spread of diseases much like the Great Stink in old London.
- Garbage collection becomes a thing of the past. Garbage will be piled high in the streets.
- People that have grid tied solar power systems would be no better off than their neighbors, because the DC to AC inverters require an AC power grid presence signal. Otherwise they shut off for safety. Some people with electrical skills might be able to rewire them, but then they’d only have electricity during daytime.
- People who may have working solar energy might be targeted by the have-nots. They might wish they had paid attention to the Second Amendment to protect their home based energy source. People who still have gasoline in their cars trying to escape cities might find themselves victims of mob attacks as the have-nots look for the last remaining bits of energy. Mad-Max world ensues.
- Windmill farms (that also need grid presence to operate) will stand as icons of folly, unusable, and cursed by the populace since they can’t make use of them. Eventually they’ll all look like these wind farms or fall down.
- Radical climatologists like Mike Mann and James Hansen will no longer be able to communicate their apocalyptic visions of the future to us, since there will be no Internet or radio/TV networks or newspapers printed to disseminate their views.
- Along the same lines, thankfully, we’d never see another episode of Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo.
- Climate modelers like Kevin Trenberth would never be able to run another computer model telling us how hot our future apocalypse might be, since his NCAR computer is run by Wyoming coal. Likewise, NOAA’s Gaea supercomputer will be DOA since it can’t run on recycled vegetable oil.
- Al Gore will no longer be able to jet around the world to tell us how the world will end soon if we don’t pay attention to his new book about The Future. He’ll be reduced to holing up in one of his many properties and hoping the Mad-Maxers don’t come for his solar panels.
- Congress would be reduced to debating in hot, sweaty, non air-conditioned rooms, just like the founders of our country did at the first Continental Congress and as they did in the summer of 1988, when Dr. James Hansen and his sponsor, Senator Tim Wirth, turned off the A/C in the hearing room for effect while they sold the idea of global warming to the Senators.
- Without air conditioning, city dwellers would truly experience the Urban Heat Island effect in the summer, that is when they weren’t scrounging for food and water, and fighting off the Mad-Maxer gangs who would take anything they could from them, including their life.
- Wood burning to stay warm during the winter becomes all the rage again. Smoke pollution returns to cities, especially in winter.
- Real climate refugees start streaming south from high latitude countries as people run out of fuel. Many towns in Alaska and Siberia that survive only because of regular supplies of heating oil and gasoline would be abandoned.
- Global warming, environmentalism, politics; all would be a thing of the past, since survival trumps everything.
- Paul Ehrlich wanders the streets near Stanford, dressed in rags shouting at people “I was right! I was right!“
I could go on and on, but you get the picture.
So which is the worse future, a slightly warmer one with fossil fuels or one without them?


Subsistence lifestyles would survive, perhaps traditional country village life is the way to go? Productive and cooperative communities, healthier happier people, less monopoly capitalisms, less heirarchies, more local jobs, producing renewable energy where it is used, , no waste, biofuels from STP’s, better quality of lives, more connection to country, simpler living with higher spirits. Its all permaculture actually, it is about energy efficiency, caring and sharing with each other and the earth.
Regnad Kcin,
…“Unfortunately, there is an obvious lack preparedness for this inevitable event. It will happen swiftly and long before any environmental agenda comes into play.”
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That is why I mentioned Fort Bragg/Fayetteville. A smart military commander will have already planned for this and will have the ability to protect a pocket and the guts to determine who lives who dies. Inner city welfare and useless academics types need not apply.
Cornell University is already working on the idea of Food Sheds, the number of people a farming area can support so the hard numbers will be available.
Fort Bragg is about 50 -60 miles from the Shearon Harris Nuclear Power Plant and I am sure it is an area the military will be deployed to protect. Shearon Harris is in the middle of nowhere farm country. There is one nearby town and the rest are at least 25 miles away. the Jordan Lake Reservoir is also near Shearon Harris as is the Cape Fear River which heads down to the coast and goes right past Bragg.
In the same neck of the woods there is a club that practices and competes with horse drawn equipment, lots of organic type farmers, hand craft types; weaving, spinning, soap making; a club that makes biodiesel, and a club with old steam locomotives that work….
The farmland and know how is here if it can be protected from the human locust swarm. That is why the military is critical.
Antonia says:
February 8, 2013 at 1:10 am
But we’d survive. The trouble is that Australia has draconian gun laws so we wouldn’t be able to protect what we have…..
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Think bow and arrow. Flint knapping and Fletching Arrows (put those ducks to use) and fletching jigs The manufacturing of animal glue and how to make the bow.
The bow is still used by the military link because it is silent.
Tim Ball says: February 7, 2013 at 9:38 am
“….evolution, survival of the fittest and the most adaptable, doesn’t apply to humans. Some actually express this view. David Graber, a research biologist with the National Park Service said,
“Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, are not as important as a wild and healthy planet. I know social scientists who remind me that people are part of nature, but it isn’t true. Somewhere along the line – at about a billion years ago – we quit the contract and became a cancer.”….”
Tim, you are correct in saying David Graber (a research biologist …said this?? really? … not to mention his time line issues …mkx) seems to have little concept of the theory of evolution …. obviously enough man and his relatives have been shaped by the forces of nature and natural evolution to bring us to the point that we are the creatures that we are.
But it is probably fair to say in more recent times the evolutionary shaping of ‘the herd’ has been minimal to non existent; in short, a huge proportion of the herd survives to breeding age, and almost all then do so (ie, breed and multiply).
I’ve never understood people who mutter (hopefully?) about some form of population reduction, for when and if it comes, it certainly won’t be the one of their choosing (massive epidemic, giant meteor, volcanic eruption?) and they will find survival mostly is simply a lottery (ie… nature at work!).
That said, there is the alternative scenario that we just gradually go about our current scaling back of population growth and peak out as predicted in 2050, and from then populations gradually and naturally decline.
Sounds like Utopia!
Would I still be able to get to “right on” Islington Dinner Parties?
This article deals with the subject of RELATIVE RISK, which I lectured upon many times over the last few decades (I even wrote a book on it which I started twenty years ago, but never finished). Consideration of the subject dealt with above, would make a much better exercise for all of the high school students to research and write about, than any number of ‘recycling’ or useless ‘environmental’ touchy-feely exercises, which few of the teachers understand either.
I used to challenge all classes I spoke to, to tell me the most environmentally damaging issue in the world (there are two which are essentially the same). I plunked down $20 and challenged any takers. None of them could get it right. Most readers of this blog might not, either, unfortunately.
They are IGNORANCE and POVERTY.
One class I spoke to had all been given Schumachers stupid little book, and (even the teachers who usually taught the class) had bought into the meme that the most environmentally friendly thing they could do was to plant a tree. I almost wept for them. Ignorance in action, and at a university, no less.
@John K. Sutherland – re: the answer.
I would hope most would get at least one – Poverty. You need only look to Haiti to see the proof of that. And after being given the answer, I did a big “D’oh” on ignorance.
Great lesson for your students.
Jon says:
February 7, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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Like I said. Those who hate religion love to demonstrate their utter ignorance of religion.
[bockquote] son of mulder says:
February 7, 2013 at 10:54 am
So should I become very overweight in advance so I could outlive thinner people or would that simply mean I would be eaten sooner? [/blockquote]
Really? You’ve never seen Zombieland? Rule #1: Cardio!
Happily, hydrocarbon fuels cannot disappear anytime soon because we are almost literally awash in them. Since even sewage sludge can be converted into biodiesel, we will always have all the fuel we care to pay for, even if we don’t like the price and choose to power the things in our lives with something better.
If I remember correctly, in the UK, if coal had not be introduced as a source of fuel, most of UKs forests would have lost most of their trees as the growing population required more and more to keep warm and cook.
I do not know how long USA forests would last if the whole current population went over to wood burning?
Thanks for sharing Dr. Deming’s thought-provoking essay. Programs such as “Life After People” seem to me to be the ultimate waste of human thought and energy. They might as well call it “Life in a Blackhole” – it’s total nonsense.
John K. Sutherland says: @ur momisugly February 8, 2013 at 6:22 am
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I think most of us would have given you poverty. I would have added limited access to energy which is really the same thing. But I do agree with ignorance.
Steve Richards says:
February 8, 2013 at 7:56 am
If I remember correctly, in the UK, if coal had not be introduced as a source of fuel, most of UKs forests would have lost most of their trees as the growing population required more and more to keep warm and cook.
I do not know how long USA forests would last if the whole current population went over to wood burning?
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New England lost a lot of her forests too until we switched to coal in the late 1800’s. That is one reason why you see so many stonewalls snaking through the New England woods. All that used to be farmland. Of course it was not nearly as bad as it was in England but we certainly have more forest on the east coast now compared to the 1800’s.
http://lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticleID=1209
Nearly exactly this scenario was hypothesized in the 1st episode of “Connections,” a series that aired on PBS (ironically) in the late 70s, hosted by the Brit James Burke. Right down to finding a live horse and figuring out how/what to plant to feed yourself – assuming no one tried to take it away from you by force. The difference was that the catastrophe was caused by nuclear war.
Loves me some George Carlin! Always seemed to be on the ball, though I disagree on the idea of all the criminals hitting the streets. I would figure there are fail-safe methods that keep the doors locked when the electricity goes off, so the reality is there would just be jail cells full of corpses in a couple of weeks. But then there would be plenty of new crims taking advantage of the darkness on the outside anyway.
since we would soon have no corn seed we would all die.
What annoys me is that the people now controlling the energy policy lack common sense. Those who think fossil fuels are evil and hate oil fail to realize how oil and gas changed the US and the world improving dramatiacally our lifestyle.
Recently the History channel had a series on “the Men who built America”, Fossil fuels played an important part in the transformation that included progressing light from whale oil to kerosine from crude to electricity from coal. Similarily transportation was transformed from horse drawn carriage to auto’s, trucks, trains . and steam ships. Now they want to go backwards.
Don’t those who want to ban fossil fuels have any comprehension of History?
The History channel DVD is available via: http://shop.history.com/the-men-who-built-america-dvd/detail.php?p=383364&v=history_dvds-and-books&fbst=80 and should be required viewing in schools instead of Al Gore’s movie. Below is a description:
“Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Carnegie, Astor, Ford and Morgan. Their names are part of history and synonymous with the American dream. These men transformed every industry they touched: oil, rail, steel, shipping, automobiles, and finance. Their efforts transformed a country. Rising from poverty, their paths crossed repeatedly as they elected presidents, set economic policies and influenced major events of their day – from the Civil War to The Great Depression. 12 million historical negatives, many made available for the first time by the Library of Congress, are brought to life to offer an unprecedented view of America’s Industrial Age – and the men who built it.”
I don’t mind moving on if there is a place to go that is more economic, efficient, clean and available. The government policy of Windmills, Solar, and biofuels does not cut it!!
dmacleo says:
February 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm
since we would soon have no corn seed we would all die.
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Don’t bet on it.
There are plenty of people who dislike GMO and have “heritage seed” and know how to save the seed from year to year.
Seed Savers Exchange is a non-profit organization dedicated to saving and sharing heirloom seeds. Since 1975, our members have been passing on our garden heritage by collecting and distributing thousands of samples of rare garden seeds to other gardeners.
This lady lives near me:
Grannywarrior’s NON-GMO – NON HYBRID Heirloom Seeds
The anti-humanists never eliminate themselves, that’s always what they want for *other* people.
Great article! As the title suggests, this is a very short-term analysis. After the Mad Max scenario played itself out, we’d have a much smaller population, living overwhelmingly agrarian lifestyles, at a greatly reduced standard of living. As in the bad old days, life would be short and brutal. Welcome to Ecotopia.
Re: my previous post. Although those on this site might be aware of poverty and ignorance as the most damaging environmental threats, one needs to take it a step further: How do you break away from poverty and ignorance?
Answer: WEALTH and EDUCATION.
Next key question: How do you provide the basis for wealth and education?
Answer: Abundant, assured, affordable ENERGY!!! Hence the value of the above article for drawing our attention to what happens when we don’t have it.
I can assure you that I got around to giving the answer a lot faster to those I lectured.
And those who love it, likewise. Ignorance of sacred text is no respecter of lovers versus haters of religion. In similar fashion, I dare say those who ride the seesaw dichotomy of CO2/Solar drivers are painted in the same color.
Merovign says:
February 9, 2013 at 12:45 am
The anti-humanists never eliminate themselves, that’s always what they want for *other* people.
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Yet it is often the individualists who they hate who are the best prepared to live in Ecotopia.
John K. Sutherland says:
February 9, 2013 at 8:15 am
…. Next key question: How do you provide the basis for wealth and education?
Answer: Abundant, assured, affordable ENERGY!!! ….
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That was the point Dr. Petr Beckmann was trying to get across with his newsletter “Access to Energy” link
Dr. Beckmann fled Prague, Czechoslovakia to escape the Nazis in 1939. He defected to the United States in 1963. His first Access to Energy essay
A couple of problems: 1) for a population to remain stable, 2.1 children/family is required. Most industrialized countries are either at or below this fertility rate; Japan’s population actually DECREASED by 200,000 last year. As the 3rd World slowly advances, fertility rates will fall, thus the population will peak at around 10 billion and then start to decrease; that’s what the data/math shows.
2) Energy isn’t a problem. Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors will eventually be adopted, which will generate power cheaper than any other form of power generation, in particular, about 15 TIMES cheaper than wind/solar.
Moreover, there is a virtually unlimited supply of easily extractable Thorium 100,000’s years at least). A piece of thorium about the size of a ping pong ball provides enough energy to supply an individual an entire lifetime of energy…