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Global sea level likely to rise as much as 70 feet for future generations

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — Even if humankind manages to limit global warming to 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F), as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recommends, future generations will have to deal with sea levels 12 to 22 meters (40 to 70 feet) higher than at present, according to research published in the journal Geology.

The researchers, led by Kenneth G. Miller, professor of earth and planetary sciences in the School of Arts and Sciences at Rutgers University, reached their conclusion by studying rock and soil cores in Virginia, Eniwetok Atoll in the Pacific and New Zealand. They looked at the late Pliocene epoch, 2.7 million to 3.2 million years ago, the last time the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere was at its current level, and atmospheric temperatures were 2 degrees C higher than they are now.

“The difference in water volume released is the equivalent of melting the entire Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheets, as well as some of the marine margin of the East Antarctic Ice Sheet,” said H. Richard Lane, program director of the National Science Foundation’s Division of Earth Sciences, which funded the work. “Such a rise of the modern oceans would swamp the world’s coasts and affect as much as 70 percent of the world’s population.”

“You don’t need to sell your beach real estate yet, because melting of these large ice sheets will take from centuries to a few thousand years,” Miller said. “The current trajectory for the 21st century global rise of sea level is 2 to 3 feet (0.8 to1 meter) due to warming of the oceans, partial melting of mountain glaciers, and partial melting of Greenland and Antarctica.”

Miller said, however, that this research highlights the sensitivity of the earth’s great ice sheets to temperature change, suggesting that even a modest rise in temperature results in a large sea-level rise. “The natural state of the earth with present carbon dioxide levels is one with sea levels about 20 meters higher than at present,” he said.

Miller was joined in the research by Rutgers colleagues James G. Wright, associate professor of earth and planetary sciences; James V. Browning, assistant research professor of earth and planetary sciences; Yair Rosenthal, professor of marine science in the School of Environmental and Biological Sciences; Sindia Sosdian, research scientist in marine science and a postdoctoral scholar at Cardiff University in Wales; and Andrew Kulpecz, a Rutgers doctoral student when the work was done, now with Chevron Corp. Other co-authors were Michelle Kominz, professor of geophysics and basin dynamics at Western Michigan University; Tim R. Naish, director of the Antarctic Research Center at Victoria University of Wellington, in New Zealand; Benjamin S. Cramer of Theiss Research in Eugene, Ore.; and W. Richard Peltier, professor of physics and director of the Center for Global Change Science at the University of Toronto.

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garymount
March 22, 2012 5:12 am

John Brookes says:
March 22, 2012 at 4:35 am
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The mathematical error you reference was done by one individual, and it was quickly corrected by another commenter. NASA’s rocket scientists have made mistakes that so far have killed off 17 highly trained astronauts. And you only seem to add snark in comments whenever I come across your “contributions” on science blogs.

Gail Combs
March 22, 2012 5:46 am

John Brookes says:
March 22, 2012 at 4:35 am
Looks like a good paper. But the residents here dislike any actual research into climate, preferring planetary influences, oceanic cycles and tarot readings….
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Yes you are correct! Except it is changes in the sun’s insolation not tarot readings. If there is one variable that explains glacial/interglacial it is the Planetary Influences aka Milankovitch cycles.
Milankovitch cycles have been known to all scientists for decades even the warmists.

Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception Ulrich C. Müller & Jörg Pross, Institute of Geosciences, University of Frankfurt, Frankfurt, Germany
… Because the intensities of the 397 ka BP and present insolation minima are very similar, we conclude that under natural boundary conditions the present insolation minimum holds the potential to terminate the Holocene interglacial. Our findings support the Ruddiman hypothesis [Ruddiman, W., 2003. The Anthropogenic Greenhouse Era began thousands of years ago. Climate Change 61, 261–293], which proposes that early anthropogenic greenhouse gas emission prevented the inception of a glacial that would otherwise already have started.
Lesson from the past: present insolation minimum holds potential for glacial inception

Dansgaard (Greenland Ice core team) noted three rapid climate collapses are linked to orbital features that diminished the radiance from the sun… Climate Crash

…A more definitive confirmation of Milankovitch came in 1976, in a paper by Hays, Imbrie and Shackleton, using Shackleton’s data in the figure above. But long before either that paper or my own, there was widespread behind-the-scenes acceptance of Milankovitch, and Kukla, for one, was concerned about the implications….. http://calderup.wordpress.com/2010/05/14/next-ice-age/

Luboš Motl brings up the basic correction to the Milankovitch cycles that make the theory fit.

…Gerard Roe realized a trivial mistake that had previously been done. And a similar mistake is being done by many people all the time – scientists as well as laymen; alarmists as well as skeptics. The problem is that people confuse functions and their derivatives…
In defense of Milankovitch, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 33, L24703, doi:10.1029/2006GL027817, 2006
So the right quantity that should be compared with the insolation – i.e. the sunshine near the Arctic circle – is not the ice volume itself but its time derivative. No doubt about it. This “fix” is analogous to the transition from the Aristotelian science to the Newtonian one. 😉 By taking the derivative, the faster, high-frequency, short-period cycles in the ice volume are amplified while the very slow ones (100,000-year cycles) are suppressed. http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/07/in-defense-of-milankovitch-by-gerard.html

Also See:
http://www.es.ucsc.edu/~rcoe/eart206/Hays_OrbitPacemaker_Science76.pdf
OCEANS:

Abrupt and sudden climatic transitions and fluctuations: a review:
A number of persistent oscillations exist, particularly one about 1500 years, but their amplitudes vary considerably between time periods. The Holocene appears to be no more climatically benign than the similar period in the Eemian. The importance of the North Atlantic thermohaline circulation for generating abrupt climatic changes in Europe, particularly in association with sudden pulses of fresh water, is illustrated. The concept of antiphase temperature changes between the North and South Atlantic is discussed. Externally generated abrupt climatic deteriorations owing to explosive volcanic eruptions and variations in solar irradiance are also discussed. ~ 2001 Royal Meteorological Society: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/85007975/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Gail Combs
March 22, 2012 6:53 am

barry says:
March 20, 2012 at 6:03 pm
We’ve emitted the same amount of CO2 over 150 years that it took natural processes to outgas over 5 milennia in the last 3 glacial terminations. The same amount of CO2 that accompanied global warming of 6C in a thirtieth of the time. And we’re currently still emitting at an even faster rate. We’re conducting a large-scale, uncontrolled experiment with the atmosphere…
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And the plants thank us for it because they were close to starving. CO2 levels were much higher in the past and those are the levels the plants are adapted to. Returning CO2 levels to past levels (1,000 ppm) is not “a large-scale, uncontrolled experiment” It is RESTORING the environment. See: http://i32.tinypic.com/nwix4x.png
Plants are so close to starving, that more “CO2 efficient” types are evolving (C4 and CAM). C3 plants include more than 95 percent of the plant species on earth and include varieties such as trees. C4 plants include summer annuals and grasses. The C4 plants photosynthesis is 6 times faster than C3 plants. There is a third kind, the CAM plants.
examples:
C3—–>wheat, barley, potatoes and sugar beet. (most of the plants are C3)
C4—–>fourwing saltbush, corn ,many of summer annual plants.
CAM—> cactuses,some orchids and bromeliads
I did find in my notes “200 pm CO2 trees starve” SOURCE= http://biblioteca.universia.net/ficha.do?id=912067 but the link no longer works… Now all the searches turn up papers showing 180 ppm or lower…. I just check a couple of studies the 180 -200 ppm CO2 for trees is now based on “models” derived from the ice cores. Talk about circular reasoning! The death of trees below 200 ppm was one of the arguments against the validity of the CO2 measurements Ice Cores. (There are several others)

…growth of C3 plants should be limited at the global scale because their net Photosynthesis is depressed as CO2 concentration in air decreases to less than about 250ubar (less than about 250ppmv)(McKay et al 1991) This would lead to the extinction of C3 plant species . This has however not been recorded by paleobotanists (Manum 1991).” http://www.co2web.info/stoten92.pdf

The minimum level CO2 needed by plants (200 to 300 ppm) can also be inferred from these experiments.
In open air ~ WHEAT:

The CO2 concentration at 2 m above the crop was found to be fairly constant during the daylight hours on single days or from day-to-day throughout the growing season ranging from about 310 to 320 p.p.m. Nocturnal values were more variable and were between 10 and 200 p.p.m. higher than the daytime values.
source

CO2 depletion in a greenhouses ~ From the people who know and depend on the truth, FARMERS
Hydroponic Shop

…Plants use all of the CO2 around their leaves within a few minutes leaving the air around them CO2 deficient, so air circulation is important. As CO2 is a critical component of growth, plants in environments with inadequate CO2 levels of below 200 ppm will generally cease to grow or producehttp://www.thehydroponicsshop.com.au/article_info.php?articles_id=27

Below 200 PPM, plants do not have enough CO2 to carry on the photosynthesis process and essentially stop growing. Because 300 PPM is the atmospheric CO content, this amount is chosen as the 100% growth point. You can see from the chart that increased CO can double or more the growth rate on most normal plants. Above 2,000 PPM, CO2 starts to become toxic to plants and above 4,000 PPM it becomes toxic to people….. http://www.hydrofarm.com/articles/co2_enrichment.php

Plant photosynthetic activity can reduce the CO2 within the plant canopy to between 200 and 250 ppm… I observed a 50 ppm drop in within a tomato plant canopy just a few minutes after direct sunlight at dawn entered a green house (Harper et al 1979) … photosynthesis can be halted when CO2 concentration aproaches 200 ppm… (Morgan 2003) Carbon dioxide is heavier than air and does not easily mix into the greenhouse atmosphere by diffusionSource
Notice that statement…Carbon dioxide is heavier than air and does not easily mix into the greenhouse atmosphere by diffusion… So even the idea that CO2 is evenly mixed in the atmosphere given all the sources and sinks is ludicrous. I worked mix rooms as a chemist for years and the “Well Mix” statement always makes me laugh. Getting stuff to mix and become “Uniform” is no easy task and takes quite a bit of time even in controlled settings with mechanical mixing.
As mike about town said: “They say it’s thoroughly mixed all the way through…..They don’t even understand it to care. So they extrapolate from nanometre scale Brownian motion in a fluid to the whole of their empty vacuum space, ideal gas, gravity less, atmosphere! Stupid isn’t a strong enough word for this.”
Further, the amount of CO2 emitted by termites is enormous, 50 gigatons/year. Source for termite CO2 production: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/218/4572/563
According to the journal Science (Nov. 5, 1982), termites alone emit ten times more carbon dioxide than all the factories and automobiles in the world. Natural wetlands emit more greenhouse gases than all human activities combined. (If greenhouse warming is such a problem, why are we trying to save all the wetlands?)”
Termites emit ten times more CO2 than humans. Should we cap-and-tax them? http://www.iloveco2.org/2009/04/termites-emit-ten-times-more-co2-than.html
CAGW is a scam to take our money and it is working just fine. We are taxed to fund “Green projects” that move our tax dollars into the pockets of the wealthy. That is what always happens when politicians talk of “spreading the wealth” It is spreading OUR wealth among THEIR friends.

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