A Matter of Some Gravity

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

A couple of apparently related theories have been making the rounds lately. One is by Nikolov and Zeller (N&Z), expounded here and replied to here on WUWT. The other is by Hans Jelbring, discussed at Tallblokes Talkshop. As I understand their theories, they say that the combination of gravity plus an atmosphere without greenhouse gases (GHGs) is capable of doing what the greenhouse effect does—raise the earth at least 30°C above what we might call the “theoretical Stefan-Boltzmann (S-B) temperature.”

So what is the S-B temperature, theoretical or otherwise?

A curious fact is that almost everything around us is continually radiating energy in the infrared frequencies. You, me, the trees, the ocean, clouds, ice, all the common stuff gives off infrared radiation. That’s how night-vision goggles work, they let you see in the infrared. Here’s another oddity. Ice, despite being brilliant white because it reflects slmost all visible light, absorbs infrared very well (absorptivity > 0.90). It turns out that most things absorb (and thus emit) infrared quite well, including the ocean, and plants (see Note 3 below). Because of this, the planet is often treated as a “blackbody” for IR, a perfect absorber and a perfect emitter of infrared radiation. The error introduced in that way is small for first-cut calculations.

The Stefan-Boltzmann equation specifies how much radiation is emitted at a given temperature. It states that the radiation increases much faster than the temperature. It turns out that radiation is proportional to absolute temperature to the fourth power. The equation, for those math inclined, is

Radiation = Emissivity times SBconstant times Temperature^4

where the Stefan-Boltzmann constant is a tiny number, 0.0000000567 (5.67E-8). For a blackbody, emissivity = 1.

This “fourth-power” dependence means that if you double the absolute temperature (measured in kelvins), you get sixteen (2^4) times the radiation (measured in watts per square metre, “W/m2”). We can also look at it the other way, that temperature varies as the fourth root of radiation. That means if we double the radiation, the temperature only goes up by about 20% (2^0.25)

Let me call the “theoretical S-B temperature” the temperature that an evenly heated stationary blackbody planet in outer space would have for a given level of incoming radiation in W/m2. It is “theoretical”, because a real, revolving airless planet getting heated by a sun  with the same average radiation will be cooler than that theoretical S-B temperature. We might imagine that there are thousands of mini-suns in a sphere around the planet, so the surface heating is perfectly even.

Figure 1. Planet lit by multiple suns. Image Source.

On average day and night over the planetary surface, the Earth receives about 240 W/m2 of energy from the sun. The theoretical S-B temperature for this amount of radiation (if it were evenly distributed) is about -18°C, well below freezing. But instead of being frozen, the planet is at about +14°C or so. That’s about thirty degrees above the theoretical S-B temperature. So why isn’t the planet a block of ice?

Let me take a short detour on the way to answering that question in order to introduce the concept of the “elevator speech” to those unfamiliar with the idea.

The “elevator speech” is simply a distillation of an idea down to its very basics. It is how I would explain my idea to you if I only had the length of an elevator ride to explain it. As such it has two extremely important functions:

1. It forces me to clarify my own ideas on whatever I’m discussing. I can’t get into handwaving and hyperbole, I can’t be unclear about what I’m claiming, if I only have a few sentences to work with.

2. It allows me to clearly communicate those ideas to others.

In recent discussions on the subject, I have been asking for that kind of “elevator speech” distillation of Jelbring’s or Nikolov’s ideas, so that a) I can see if whoever is explaining the theory really understands what they are saying and, if so, then b) so that I can gain an understanding of the ideas of Jelbring or Nikolov to see if I am missing something important.

Let me give you an example to show what I mean. Here’s an elevator speech about the greenhouse effect:

The poorly-named “greenhouse effect” works as follows:

• The surface of the earth emits energy in the form of thermal longwave radiation.

• Some of that energy is absorbed by greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the atmosphere.

• In turn, some of that absorbed energy is radiated by the atmosphere back to the surface.

• As a result of absorbing that energy from the atmosphere, the surface is warmer than it would be in the absence of the GHGs.

 OK, that’s my elevator speech about why the Earth is not a block of ice. Note that it is not just saying what is happening. It is saying how it is happening as well.

I have asked, over and over, on various threads, for people who understand either the N&Z theory or the Jelbring theory, to give me the equivalent elevator speech regarding either or both of those theories. I have gotten nothing scientific so far. Oh, there’s the usual handwaving, vague claims of things like ‘the extra heat at the surface, is just borrowed by the work due to gravity, from the higher up regions of the atmosphere‘ with no mechanism for the “borrowing”, that kind of empty statement. But nothing with any meat, nothing with any substance, nothing with any explanatory value or scientific content.

So to begin with, let me renew my call for the elevator speech on either theory. Both of them make my head hurt, I can’t really follow their vague descriptions. So … is anyone who understands either theory willing to step forward and explain it in four or five sentences?

But that’s not really why I’m writing this. I’m writing this because of the claims of the promoters of the two theories. They say that somehow a combination of gravity and a transparent, GHG-free atmosphere can conspire to push the temperature of a planet well above the theoretical S-B temperature, to a condition similar to that of the Earth.

I hold that with a transparent GHG-free atmosphere, neither the hypothetical “N&Z effect” nor the “Jelbring effect” can possibly raise the planetary temperature above the theoretical S-B temperature. But I also make a much more general claim. I hold it can be proven that there is no possible mechanism involving gravity and the atmosphere that can raise the temperature of a planet with a transparent GHG-free atmosphere above the theoretical S-B temperature.

The proof is by contradiction. This is a proof where you assume that the theorem is right, and then show that if it is right it leads to an impossible situation, so it cannot possibly be right.

So let us assume that we have the airless perfectly evenly heated blackbody planet that I spoke of above, evenly surrounded by a sphere of mini-suns. The temperature of this theoretical planet is, of course, the theoretical S-B temperature.

Now suppose we add an atmosphere to the planet, a transparent GHG-free atmosphere. If the theories of N&K and Jelbring are correct, the temperature of the planet will rise.

But when the temperature of a perfect blackbody planet rises … the surface radiation of that planet must rise as well.

And because the atmosphere is transparent, this means that the planet is radiating to space more energy than it receives. This is an obvious violation of conservation of energy, so any theories proposing such a warming must be incorrect.

Q.E.D.

Now, I’m happy for folks to comment on this proof, or to give us their elevator speech about the Jelbring or the N&Z hypothesis. I’m not happy to be abused for my supposed stupidity, nor attacked for my views, nor pilloried for claimed errors of commission and omission. People are already way too passionate about this stuff. Roger Tattersall, the author of the blog “Tallbloke’s Talkshop”, has banned Joel Shore for saying that the N&Z hypothesis violates conservation of energy. Roger’s exact words to Joel were:

… you’re not posting here unless and until you apologise to Nikolov and Zeller for spreading misinformation about conservation of energy in their theory all over the blogosphere and failing to correct it.

Now, I have done the very same thing that Joel did. I’ve said around the web that the N&Z theory violates conservation of energy. So I went to the Talkshop and asked, even implored, Roger not to do such a foolish and anti-scientific thing as banning someone for their scientific views. Since I hold the same views and I committed the same thought-crimes, it was more than theoretical to me. Roger has remained obdurate, however, so I am no longer able to post there in good conscience. Roger Tallbloke has been a gentleman throughout, as is his style, and I hated to leave. But I did what Joel did, I too said N&Z violated conservation of energy, so in solidarity and fairness I’m not posting at the Talkshop anymore.

And more to the point, even if I hadn’t done what Joel did, my practice is to never post at or even visit sites like RealClimate, Tamino’s, and now Tallbloke’s Talkshop, places that ban and censor scientific views. I don’t want to be responsible for their page views counter to go up by even one. Banning and censorship are anathema to me, and I protest them in the only way I can. I leave them behind to discuss their ideas in their now cleansed, peaceful, sanitized, and intellectually sterile echo chamber, free from those pesky contrary views … and I invite others to vote with their feet as well.

But I digress, my point is that passions are running high on this topic, so let’s see if we can keep the discussion at least relatively chill …

TO CONCLUDE: I’m interested in people who can either show that my proof is wrong, or who will give us your elevator speech about the science underlying either N&K or Jelbring’s theory. No new theories need apply, we have enough for this post. And no long complicated explanations, please. I have boiled the greenhouse effect down to four sentences. See if you can match that regarding the N&K or the Jelbring effect.

w.

NOTE 1: Here’s the thing about a planet with a transparent atmosphere. There is only one object that can radiate to space, the surface. As a result, it is constrained to emit the exact amount of radiation it absorbs. So there are no gravity/atmospheric phenomena that can change that. It cannot emit more or less than what it absorbs while staying at the same temperature, conservation of energy ensures that. This means that while the temperature can be lower than the theoretical S-B temperature, as is the case with the moon, it cannot be more than the theoretical S-B temperature. To do that it would have to radiate more than it is receiving, and that breaks the conservation of energy.

Once you have GHGs in the atmosphere, of course, some of the surface radiation can get absorbed in the atmosphere. In that case, the surface radiation is no longer constrained, and the surface is free to take up a higher temperature while the system as a whole emits the same amount of radiation to space that it absorbs.

NOTE 2: An atmosphere, even a GHG-free atmosphere, can reduce the cooling due to uneven insolation. The hottest possible average temperature for a given average level of radiation (W/m2) occurs when the heating is uniform in both time and space. If the total surface radiation remains the same (as it must with a transparent atmosphere), any variations in temperature from that uniform state will lower the average temperature. Variations include day/night temperature differences, and equator/polar differences. Since any atmosphere can reduce the size of e.g. day/night temperature swings, even a transparent GHG-free atmosphere will reduce the amount of cooling caused by the temperature swings. See here for further discussion.

But what such an atmosphere cannot do is raise the temperature beyond the theoretical maximum average temperature for that given level of incoming radiation. That’s against the law … of conservation of energy.

NOTE 3: My bible for many things climatish, including the emissivity (which is equal to the absorptivity) of common substances, is Geiger’s The Climate Near The Ground, first published sometime around the fifties when people still measured things instead of modeling them. He gives the following figures for IR emissivity at 9 to 12 microns:

Water, 0.96

Fresh snow, 0.99

Dry sand, 0.95

Wet sand, 0.96

Forest, deciduous, 0.95

Forest, conifer, 0.97

Leaves Corn, Beans, 0.94

and so on down to things like:

Mouse fur, 0.94

Glass, 0.94

You can see why the error from considering the earth as a blackbody in the IR is quite small.

I must admit, though, that I do greatly enjoy the idea of some boffin at midnight in his laboratory measuring the emissivity of common substances when he hears the snap of the mousetrap he set earlier, and he thinks, hmmm …

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Alan Wilkinson
January 14, 2012 2:23 pm

Anton Eagle says:January 14, 2012 at 1:06 pm
.”.. will the non-GH gas not radiate? Will the temperature just hold constant forever?”
Anton, non-GH gases like O2 and N2 don’t radiate IR (vibrational energy transitions) because they have no dipole moment – except when they are momentarily and rarely produced by collisions. So they will slowly leak energy. However that process is very slow relative to others.

Bill H
January 14, 2012 2:27 pm

Willis,
I think I understand the point you are making.
A body absent the ability to either radiate or convect energy, it will collect energy until it gets to a fission state. thus a star which then radiates in all bands..
There in lies the problem with N&K. in their attempt to show black body balance they have nulled their hypothesis. And possibly yours also…. nothing in the universe is static, including gravity. it is constantly changing..
By creating a planet with an atmosphere of any substance which is clear, convection becomes the controlling “balancing” act. Now gravity plays a roll as does the type of gas and the size of its molecules. thus the rate of convection. The lapse rate is what will dictate the temp at which it balances (equilibrium). Now mix gases and it really becomes fun..
when one looks at atmosphere challenged planets their own night time radiation out ways the daytime collection usually by a factor of 3/2. the reverse is true during day time hours where thy reach 500K while at night they can drop to below 100k. by adding a clear atmosphere you attempt to create a thermal blanket to “balance” your outcome.. however, there is always loss with any atmosphere.
I’m not sure what it is they are trying to say other than confuse the subject with their paper. That being said, certain gases will allow warming with their compaction near the surface with convection due to their molecular weight and gravity holding them there..
a warm surface will warm the immediate area above it and depending on wind speed and its make up it will hold that thermal layer close. this will a allow warming.even absent an IR reflecting gas.
Bill

January 14, 2012 2:29 pm

Wow I come back from work and find this thread has boomed.
Firstly, people please stop it with the “all gasses radiate” meme.
It all depends on the vibrational mode.
Co2 has 4 fundemental vibrational modes. 2 of them are called scissoring, one is called asymmetrical stretching. These 3 modes ARE infrared active.
But even CO2 has a mode that is not responsive to infrared.The 4th mode, the symmetrical stretching, is not INFRARED active because the vibration does not cause a change in the dipole moment of the molecule.
One further point. Just because a molecule is symmetrical, does NOT mean it is invisible to IR.
So long as the vibration can change the dipole moment, it is active in IR. That is why, symmetrical molecules such as Carbon Monoxide and Iodine Chloride ARE active in IR.
But does any of this mean Nitrogen and oxygen can’t absorb and emit radiation? No, of course not, BUT IN THE INFRARED REGION…..THEY CANNOT AND DO NOT.
http://orgchem.colorado.edu/hndbksupport/irtutor/IRtheory.pdf
http://www.ems.psu.edu/~bannon/moledyn.html

ferd berple
January 14, 2012 2:31 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
January 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Took me a minute to figure out what is wrong with this. It is in the assumption that “net energy radiated to space is a function of temperature”. It is, but for the surface it is also a function of the amount of energy absorbed by the atmosphere. That’s why the surface can get hot, because some of the energy radiated by the surface is absorbed by the atmosphere so we’re not emitting to space more that we’re absorbing. As a result, the last step of your proof is incorrect.
I’ve already accounted for that energy, by using “net” energy. The problem with your rebuttal is that you are double counting, confusing net with gross.
To explain, here is the problem in diagram form: “===>” denotes energy flow.
space <==A== surface ghg ==C==> space
In my calculation, I’m only considering energy flows A and C. You are adding in flow B. However, flow B is meaningless and only serves to confuse, because it does not take part in the flow to space. It is only the flow to space that is subject to the equivalence, radiation in = radiation out.
Therefore from above:
A + C = solar energy in = radiation out to space
However, on an earth with no GHG, atmospheric radiation to space = 0,
space <==D== surface no ghg ==F==> zero radiation to space
D + F = solar energy in = radiation out to space
However, since F = 0, this becomes
D + 0 = solar energy in = radiation out to space
Therefore, since solar energy remains the same
A + C = D (because F = 0)
Since C > 0, for GHG atmosphere
D > A
Since D and A vary as 4th power of Temp
Temp(D) > Temp(A)
Therefore the surface will be hotter on a planet with a non radiant (non GHG ) atmosphere.
QED

ferd berple
January 14, 2012 2:34 pm

arghh html spoils my posting above. The use of gt and lt characters goofed things up. I will repost.

January 14, 2012 2:38 pm

Willis
I’d be grateful if you would take the time to respond to my post at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/13/a-matter-of-some-gravity/#comment-863674
thank you

Jim D
January 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Willis, you are probably not understanding Jelbring’s paper because you are trying to read too much into it. All he says is that two layers S and A in the atmosphere, separated by a distance D, under the adiabatic assumption will have a temperature difference give by gD/cp where g is for gravity (9.81 m/s/s), and cp is the atmospheric heat capacity (1000 J/kg/K). This temperature difference he defines as his GE (greenhouse effect). It is apples when the real GE is oranges.

ferd berple
January 14, 2012 2:43 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
January 14, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Took me a minute to figure out what is wrong with this. It is in the assumption that “net energy radiated to space is a function of temperature”. It is, but for the surface it is also a function of the amount of energy absorbed by the atmosphere. That’s why the surface can get hot, because some of the energy radiated by the surface is absorbed by the atmosphere so we’re not emitting to space more that we’re absorbing. As a result, the last step of your proof is incorrect.
I’ve already accounted for that energy, by using “net” energy. The problem with your rebuttal is that you are double counting, confusing net with gross.
To explain, here is the problem in diagram form:
first some terminology:
“==X==)” denotes energy flow from left to right, called X.
“(==Y==)” denotes two way energy flow between right and left, called Y.
“(==Z==” denotes energy flow from right to left, called Z.
Here is the model I described,
space (==A== surface (==B==) ghg ==C==) space
In my calculation, I’m only considering energy flows A and C. You are adding in flow B. However, flow B is meaningless and only serves to confuse, because it does not take part in the flow to space. It is only the flow to space that is subject to the equivalence, radiation in = radiation out.
Therefore from above:
A + C = solar energy in = radiation out to space
However, on an earth with no GHG, atmospheric radiation to space = 0,
space (==D== surface (==E==) no ghg ==F==) zero radiation to space
D + F = solar energy in = radiation out to space
However, since F = 0, this becomes
D + 0 = solar energy in = radiation out to space
Therefore, since solar energy remains the same
A + C = D (because F = 0)
Since C > 0, for GHG atmosphere
D > A
Since D and A vary as 4th power of Temp
Temp(D) > Temp(A)
Therefore the surface will be hotter on a planet with a non radiant (non GHG ) atmosphere.
QED

pochas
January 14, 2012 2:44 pm

I feel compelled to add to the confusion.
It doesn’t matter whether the atmosphere is transparent or opaque. If the atmosphere is transparent the surface will be at the radiating temperature and the atmosphere will get cooler as you ascend. If the atmosphere is opaque the top of the atmosphere will be at the radiating temperature and it will get warmer as you descend.
How does the transparent atmosphere develop the adiabatic lapse rate? In Willis’s scenario it doesn’t. However on a real planet the polar surface is cooler than the equatorial surface. Because a gas is transparent does not mean it cannot conduct heat, so when the bottom layer is heated from the surface it expands just like the opaque gas, it rises and cools just like the opaque gas until the adiabatic lapse rate is recovered. The cold polar surface cools the gas by conduction so that the gas densifies and creates the necessary driving force for poleward convection which results in development of the lapse rate.
How does the opaque gas develop the adiabatic lapse rate? In Willis’ scenario it doesn’t. However on a real planet the equator is a net receiver of energy and the poles are a net radiator of energy (cosine effect) this will cause density differences in the upper atmosphere that cause poleward motion of the top of the atmosphere where it cools and descends just as it does on earth. Convection develops when there is a temperature difference, whether it is at the surface (transparent atmosphere) or at to top of the atmosphere (opaque atmosphere like Venus).
Willis places the earth inside a Dyson Sphere where everything is in a universal thermal equilibrium, temperature is the same everywhere, and there is no driving force for convection, no change in the system entropy and no creatures running around happily increasing entropy.
The real world is in a far-from-equilibrium situation which is completely different. We have a high temperature compact source of radiation in the sun and a low temperature sink in the 3 K temperature of the background radiation of space. The energy flows that take place to maximize the entropy of the universe produce the temperature differences that are the driving force for convection and for developing the adiabatic lapse rate common to all planetary atmospheres.
How about that, Willis?

Bebben
January 14, 2012 2:46 pm

Me, I’m with tallbloke.
Science is not settled in elevators.

markus
January 14, 2012 2:48 pm

You have been told Hans : Prove it or p**s off.
Kinda like what the general public would like to say to all the theoretical climate scientists out there.

Spiny Norman
January 14, 2012 2:50 pm

I’m not a scientist, so I feel like I am sticking my head into the lion’s mouth … BUT … in willis’ experiment, isn’t the only way he could have a completely (100%) transparent atmosphere would be if that atmosphere had no mass? Others have pointed out that any gas, no matter what it is comprised of, has at least SOME ability to store and radiate? If that’s true, then willis’ thought experiment gas must have some unusual property … if that unusual property is that it has no mass, then doesn’t that make it irrelevant as a disproof of the claim that the action of gravity (which requires mass) can heat the surface? I guess my question is this:
Willis, in your thought experiment … what are the properties of this proposed atmosphere that would enable it to be completely transparent?

carlbrannen
January 14, 2012 2:53 pm

Willis is correct.
If you assume that the only thing that radiates heat is the earth’s surface, then an atmosphere can’t heat the surface up.
I think that where most of the arguers against are wrong is in failing to consider the situation in equilibrium. Yeah gasses can get warm due to changes in pressure, etc., but that doesn’t matter. In equilibrium, all we need to consider is net heat flow. Since the gases only have thermal contact with the surface, the equilibrium result is that there is no net heat flow between the atmosphere and the surface. On the other hand, the heat flow into the surface is from the “sun”, and the heat flow away from the surface through radiation have to match.
Temporarily, heat could also flow into the planet’s interior, but this would be trapped in the interior, and heat flow out of the interior would cool down the interior. These are not things that go on in equilibrium so there is no net heat flow. Note that the temperature at the core will be (very very slightly) different from the surface temperature but that no heat will flow. The temperature difference is due to the small difference in potential energy. If the reader has trouble believing this, then see Tolman(1930) which is discussed and generalized in Phys. Rev. A 30, 1461–1464 (1984), “Spherically symmetric heat conduction in general relativity”, U. F. Wodarzik, http://pra.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v30/i3/p1461_1
This situation is analogous to the situation with the atmosphere (again for this GHG free atmosphere). The atmosphere will be slightly warmer at the lowest elevation, but only very very slightly. There will be no circulation. This is the equilibrium condition and it’s not the most realistic model of a planet but this whole argument went off the deep end about three decades ago.

steve fitzpatrick
January 14, 2012 2:56 pm

Tallbloke,
Please don’t behave like an idiot. You are completely wrong on the technical issues, and worse, wrong to ban someone from your blog who says that utter nonsense is in fact utter nonsense. Get a grip man, and stop embarrassing yourself.

David Coe
January 14, 2012 3:01 pm

Elevator explanation
A gas which absorbs no radiation also emits no radiation. It has an emissivity of zero
If such a gas were to envelope a planet it would absorb energy from the planet surface resulting in an increase in gas temperature (the kinetic energy of its molecules would increase).
Eventually the gas would reach an equilibrium condition whereby it’s temperature would equal that of the planet surface. Since the gas cannot radiate energy (zero emissivity) there would be no heat loss from the gas into space, no heat transfer through the gas and therefore no temperature gradient. The whole gas would be at the same temperature as the planet surface.
The radiative balance of the planet would be undisturbed by the presence (or absence) of the gas at equilibrium.
The temperature of the planet would not be affected by the gas.
This is simply a question of thermodynamics. Gravity has no part to play and does not influence the planet temperature.
You, sir, are thus vindicated.
David Coe

tallbloke
January 14, 2012 3:03 pm

Willis says:
[Tallbloke, first give us your elevator speech about Jelbring’s hypothesis. Until then, I will not believe you understand it well enough to “prove” anything. You have not shown that my proof has “failed” as you claim, record it on your website or not.

No Willis, before we can move on to a discussion of the science, you need to acknowledge that Hans Jelbring defined his model planet as one which does not radiate to space, and therefore your allegation that his model breaks the laws of thermodynamics because of radiation to space considerations fails. No-one needs to understand the rest of the paper to see this simple point of logic. So acknowledge it, apologise to Hans for blackguarding him for the last eight years, and then we can move on.

January 14, 2012 3:08 pm

Willis is considering a highly idealised case, but for that highly idealised case (perfectly IR transparent, and therefore non-radiating, atmosphere and uniform constant surface illumination, thermal equilbrium established) his argument is obviously correct.

Billy Ruff'n
January 14, 2012 3:15 pm

With all the snipping going on this layman is hesitant to step into the elevator, but….
A while back NoIdea said: “Willis is correct…if the atmosphere cannot absorb or emit IR, then the surface must emit thermal radiation at the same average rate as it absorbs solar radiation…”
Before that Dr. Spencer said pretty much the same thing.
But solar radiation is not the only source of heat on the planet — I can think of two others that have nothing to do with the sun: one is independent of the composition of the atmosphere (or even the existence of an atmosphere — the molten core. The other heat generated by the friction created between the atmosphere and the surface where the force necessary to generate the friction is rotational force, not movement of air masses.
I’ll retract my head from the debate and go watch Tebow and Brady duel with a pigskin.

G. Karst
January 14, 2012 3:17 pm

Leonard Weinstein says:
January 14, 2012 at 12:39 pm
G. Karst,
Your statement “All gases when energized by conduction, above ambient, will radiate energy.” is wrong.

Everything you have stated is correct (thank goodness), however it is NOT an absolute, across all conditions.
If we consider a gas that has reached the edge of space where rarefied to the density where conduction is unlikely, but continue to input energy, the gas will begin to radiate energy at the same rate as the input. Irregardless of the gas. It’s apparent temperature will increase until it does. Knowing what gas it is only tells us what part of the spectrum will dominate emissions. Otherwise non GHGs would be our ticket to infinite temperatures. Given a continuous energy input with no conduction output and you will soon have a gas with luminous characteristic qualities (plasma if necessary). Down here on the surface conduction, then convection, prevents this from happening. The lapse rate dictates it so… I think.
This is all off the top of my head. Not sure how satisfying it will be. Your comments are always high quality, and I don’t want to muddy them. GK

January 14, 2012 3:21 pm

Is this good enough to be an “elevator speech” I’ve tried to break it down but the “atmosphere effect” is a bit more complex than the “poorly-named” and laughable “greenhouse” theories.
The adequately-named “atmosphere effect” works as follows:
• Thermal conductive bodies on the earth emit energy in the form of longwave radiation.
• The mass of atmospheric gases have a constant thermal potential of absorbed longwave radiation.
• The sum of longwave radiation is absorbed until the thermal conductive potential of the atmosphere is reached.
•Once the sum of the thermal conductive potential of the atmosphere is reached longwave radiation is no longer absorbed, nor is it trapped by a potential thermal constant of an atmospheric gas.
• As a result, the potential of thermal Transient conduction above the earths surface is greater than it would be without an atmosphere.

Related references and wikipedia Links:
Wien’s displacement law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien%27s_displacement_law
Planck constant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant
Fourier’s law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_conduction#Fourier.27s_law
Atmosphere definition: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atmosphere
Effect definition http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/effect

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