Climategate 2.0 emails – They're real and they're spectacular!

A link to where to download the new file is posted below the fold – This will be a top post for a few days -NEW STORIES APPEAR BELOW THIS ONE -I’ve also reversed the order of the updates to be newest at top for better visibility – Anthony

UPDATE50: 1:15 PM PST 11/30 The genesis of seems to have been found. Surprisingly, the BBC’s Roger Harrabin seems to have been involved in the genesis meeting.

UPDATE49: 10:00 AM PST 11/30 While not email related, just as Climategate breaks David Suzuki commits an egregious propaganda error second only to the 10:10 video where kids are blown up for not going along with carbon reduction schemes at school. He’s targeting kids and Santa Claus at Christmas – Santa’s home is melting.

UPDATE48: 9:20 AM PST 11/30 Dr. Phil Jones on the  “lack of warming” -he may need a backup plan.

UPDATE47: 9AM PST 11/30 Fudge factor collection in the emails, or is climate modeling a social issue?

UPDATE46: A look at UEA/CRU’s email infrastructure and email systems in general suggests that the “deleted” emails to/from Phil Jones and others at CRU probably still exist and can be subject to FOIA.

UPDATE45: 1:30PM PST 11/29 If there was award for clueless timing, this would win it no contest: Penn State to lecture on “climate ethics”

UPDATE44: 9AM PST 11/29 Mike Mann reprises the role of Captain Queeg in The Cain Mutiny when seeing de Freitas being vindicated by the publisher of Climate Research (see the update in the article).

UPDATE43: 8AM PST 11/29 An Excel Spreadsheet with Climategate 1 and 2 emails ordered chronologically should be helpful in determining that supposedly missing”context”

UPDATE42:  7AM PST 11/29 The CRU crew says:  “what we really meant was…”

UPDATE41: 4AM PST 11/29 James Padget schools Steve Zwick – Guide to Defending the Indefensible. Some people just can’t handle Climategate.

UPDATE40: 12AM PST 11/29 Penn State has the same “look the other way” problem with Climategate as they did with the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

UPDATE39: It seems “vexatious” is Dr. Phil Jones favorite new feeling word after summer 2009.

UPDATE38: Severinghaus says Mike Mann didn’t give a straight answer regarding why trees don’t work as thermometers after 1950

UPDATE37: Climate sensitivity can’t be quantified with the current data according to NCAR’s Wigley, with paleo data – even less so.

UPDATE36: Dr. Chris de Freitas responds to the ugly attempt by The Team at getting him fired.

UPDATE 35: “Stroppy” Dr Roger Pielke Sr. shows just how much a “old boys network” the peer review process is.

UPDATE34: More internal dissent of the hockey stick. Mann tries to beat down the concern over “hide the decline” while not letting the dissenting scientist know there was a decline.

UPDATE33: Gobsmacking! Rob Wilson proves McIntyre and McKittrick correct in an email to colleagues at CRU, showing that when random noise time series are fed into Mike Mann’s procedure, it makes “hockey sticks”. The confirmation that M&M is right never leaves the walls of CRU.

UPDATE32: 9:30PM PST  11/27 BREAKINGCanada to pull out of Kyoto protocol. Another Climategate fallout ?

UPDATE31: 4:30PM PST 11/27 BOMBSHELL An absolutely disgusting string of communications that shows the tribal attempt at getting an editor of a journal fired on made up issues – all because he allowed a publication that didn’t agree with “the Team”. This is ugly, disturbing, and wrong on every level.

UPDATE30: 9:45 AM PST 11/27 Newsbytes. Major crack in the warming wall at the UK prime minister’s office. BBC in collusion with Climategate scientists.

UPDATE29: 9AM PST 11/27 The saga of the missing station data at CRU and the “pants on fire” defense of it as told by Willis Eschenbach. Dr. Phil Jones is between a rock and a hard place, quite.

UPDATE 28: 1:30PM PST 11/26 An email shows the UNFCCC considers activists an essential tool saying “…organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process…”

UPDATE27: 7AM PST 11/26 Climategate 2 features prominently in WUWT’s newest feature “Hits and Misses

UPDATE26: 2:50 PM 11/25 Two separate examples show obstruction and collusion by members of “The Team” to prevent any dissenting science from being properly considered by the NRC in 2007.

UPDATE25: 2PM 11/25 Keith Briffa asks another colleague to delete email to avoid FOIA

UPDATE24: 1:30PM 11/25 New Climategate 1/2 combined search engine here

UPDATE23: 9AM PST 11/25 via bishop-hill, strange infighting:

#4101 – Edward Cook tells Phil Jones that Mike Mann is “serious enemy” and “vindictive”. Mike Mann had criticized his work.

Apparently Mann went “a little crazy” over a paper showing the MWP exists.

Details here

UPDATE22: 11AM PST 11/24 Am unsurprising admission from a BBC environmental reporter to Dr. Phil Jones that they really have no impartiality at all (ho ho) when it comes to climate issues.

UPDATE21: 9:50AM PST 11/24 “FOIA2011″ and Climategate – A Chinese-POTUS connection?

UPDATE20: 9:30AM PST 11/24 World renowned climatologist Phil Jones can’t even plot a temperature trend line in Excel. I’ve offered a solution that WUWT readers can help with.

UPDATE19: 9AM PST 11/24 Gail Combs finds some disturbing connections between the Team and The World Bank

UPDATE18: 1:45PM Scott Mandia, aka “Supermandia” wins the award for the silliest climategate rebuttal, ever. It’s like stupid on steroids.

UPDATE17: 12:55PM PST 11/23 Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. has an excellent piece on “Gatekeeping” related to Trenberth and the Pielke-Landsea hurricane paper and the IPCC. You may recall Landsea resigned from the IPCC over this. Pielke says: “The gatekeeping of the IPCC process is abundantly clear, and the shadowy suggestion that they can find out who the reviewers are from another colleague is a bit unsettling as well.” Trenberth looks particularly bad here.

UPDATE16: 11:30AM PST 11/23 Insider scientist at CRU says our “reaction to Mike Mann’s errors was not particularly honest” – story here

UPDATE15: 7:50AM 11/23 Ric Werme found an email from the late John L. Daly to Mike Mann and the team – it is well worth a read here

UPDATE14: 2:45 AM PST 11/23 Willis Eschenbach offers a guest post here explaining how his FOIA requests went astray. Mr. David Palmer was the Freedom of Information Officer for the CRU at the time. In the newly released emails, he expresses his frustration with the whole procedure.

UPDATE13: 12:05AM 11/23 Craig Stone writes:

I have published a searchable database of the emails at

All email addresses and phone numbers are automatically redacted. It’s extremely rudimentary right now, but I’ll be refining the functionality and improving the search capabilities and navigation over the course of the next week.

UPDATE 12: 9:30 PM PST We’ve known for some time that Al Gore made up a bunch of claims in his AIT movie that simply weren’t true. Now this revelation in the new email batch shows that in the case of Kilimanjaro’s disappearing snows, even Phil Jones and Dr. Lonnie Thompson don’t believe global warming is the cause, even though Thompson put out a press release nearly a year ago saying just that. Told ya so. Pants on fire and all that. Anything for “the cause” right?

UPDATE11: 4:45PM PST Kevin Trenberth gets all misty eyed and sing-songy at Christmas here

UPDATE10: 4:30PM PST Some thoughts on cracking the big remaining all.7z file here

UPDATE9: 2:25PM PST Josh weighs in with the first satirical cartoon here

UPDATE8: 140PM PST Mike Mann shows his true colors:

email 1680.txt

date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:03:05 -0400

from: “Michael E. Mann”..

subject: Re: Something not to pass on

to: Phil Jones


I would not respond to this. They will misrepresent and take out of context anything you give them. This is a set up. They will certainly publish this, and will ignore any evidence to the contrary that you provide. s They are going after Wei-Chyung because he’s U.S. and there is a higher threshold for establishing libel. Nonetheless, he should

consider filing a defamation lawsuit, perhaps you too.

I have been talking w/ folks in the states about finding an investigative journalist to investigate and expose McIntyre, and his thusfar unexplored connections with fossil fuel interests.Perhaps the same needs to be done w/ this Keenan guy.

I believe that the only way to stop these people is by exposing them and discrediting them….

UPDATE7: 1:20 PM PST Phil Jones and Tom Wigley calls another scientist (The former state climatologist of California) a “jerk” for publishing his UHI results.

UPDATE6: 12:08PM PST Here’s an email that collaborates a radio interview I did in Seattle with Thomas Peterson in summer 2007, yes these are 100% real emails, no doubt whatsoever now. More here: Climategate 2.0 – NCDC: “Mr. Watts gave a well reasoned position”

UPDATE 5: 11:00AM PST In a statement, UEA doesn’t deny these emails, but posts about the whitewash investigations of the past, like they matter now.

UPDATE4: 9:45 AM PST I’ve changed the headline from Climategate 2.0 to Climategate 2.0  emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!  with a hat tip to Jerry Seinfeld. The relevance of that headline is particularly interesting in the context of where Dr. James Hansen of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) has his office in NYC.

UPDATE3: 9:25 AM PST – Having read a number of emails, and seeing this quote from Mike Mann in the Guardian:

When asked if they were genuine, he said: “Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad.”

I’m going to conclude they are the real deal. I’ve posted a BitTorrent link to the file below. One big difference between Climategate 1 and 2 is that in 1, it took days for the MSM to catch on, now they are on top of it.

UPDATE2: 8:45AM PST The Guardian has a story up by Leo Hickman, and this excerpt suggests they may be the real deal:

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is “of interest” to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but this has yet to be confirmed by the University of East Anglia. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages.

UPDATE1: 8:20 AM PST These emails have not been verified yet, and this story was posted by one of my moderating staff while I was asleep. Until such time they are verified, tread lightly because without knowing what is behind the rest of the zip file, for all we know it’s a bunch of recipes and collection of  lorem ipsum text files. I’m working to authenticate these now and will report when I know more – Anthony Watts


Early this morning, history repeated itself. has produced an enormous zip file of 5,000 additional emails similar to those released two years ago in November 2009 and coined Climategate. There are almost 1/4 million additional emails locked behind a password, which the organization does not plan on releasing at this time.

The original link was dropped off in the Hurricane Kenneth thread at about 4 AM Eastern. It is still there.

Some initial snippets floating around the blogosphere:

<3373> Bradley: I’m sure you agree–the Mann/Jones GRL paper was truly pathetic and should never have been published. I don’t want to be associated with that 2000 year


<3115> Mann:  By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year

reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that

reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.

<3940> Mann:  They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic

example, referring to the J. Cimate paper (which should be finally accepted

upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a


<0810> Mann: I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s

doing, but its not helping the cause

<2440> Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the


<2094> Briffa: UEA does not hold the very vast majority of mine [potentially FOIable emails] anyway which I copied onto private storage after the completion of the IPCC


JeffId has some initial reaction

From the ReadMe file:

/// FOIA 2011 — Background and Context ///

“Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day.”

“Every day nearly 16.000 children die from hunger and related causes.”

“One dollar can save a life” — the opposite must also be true.

“Poverty is a death sentence.”

“Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize

greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels.”

Today’s decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on

hiding the decline.

This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few

remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets.

The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning

to publicly release the passphrase.

We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics such



Here’s one about UHI that is convincing:


date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:16:37 +0800

from: =?gb2312?B?JUQ1JUM1JUMwJUYyJUMzJUY0IA==?= <limmy@xxx>

subject: Re:Re: thank you

to: p.jones@xxx

Dear Phil,

Again I find that the emails from my CMA mail boxes can not get to you.

From attaches please find the data of 42 urban stations and 42 rural stations (by your

list) and a reference of homogenization of the data. we have tested and adjusted the abrupt

discontinuities of the data during 1951-2001, but the following years (2002-2004) has only

been quality controled and added to the end of the series, but we found the relocation

during these 3 years have minor effects on the whole series in most of the stations.

I  partly agree with what Prof. Ren said. and we have done some analysis on the urban heat

island effect in China during past years. The results are differnt with Ren’s. But I think

different methods, data, and selection of the urban and rural stations would be the most

important causes of this. So I think it is high time to give some new studies and graw some

conclusion in this topic.  I hope we can make some new achives on this both on global scale

and in China.



—– Original Message —–

From: “Phil Jones” < p.jones@xxxx >

To: “Rean Guoyoo” < guoyoo@xxxx >

Cc: “%D5%C5%C0%F2%C3%F4” < limmy@xxx>, < >

Sent: 2007-09-24 16:25:59 +0800

Subject: Re: thank you

Dear Guoyu,

I think I emailed you from America last week. I am away again next week,

but here this week.

I do think that understanding urban influences are important.  I will

wait for Dr Li Qingxiang to send some data, but there is no rush, as I am

quite busy the next few weeks.

Best Regards


At 00:59 20/09/2007, you wrote:

The following message was returned back when I sent via cma site. I send it again via

this site. I also forwarded this message to Dr, Li Qingxiang.



Dear Phil,

Thank you for your message of Sept 11, 2007. I have just been back from the US. Sorry

for the delayed response.

I noted the discussion on blog sites. This is indeed a big issue in the studies of

climate change.

In the past years, we did some analyses of the urban warming effect on surface air

temperature trends in China, and we found the effect is pretty big in the areas we

analyzed. This is a little different from the result you obtained in 1990. I think there

might be at least three reasons for the difference: (1) the areas chosen in the analyses

are different; (2) the time periods analyzed are obviously varied, and the aft-1990

period is seeing a more rapid warming in most areas of China; (3) the rural stations

used for the analyses are different, and we used some stations which we think could be

more representative for the baseline change.

We have published a few of papers on this topic in Chinese. Unfortunately, when we sent

our comments to the IPCC AR4, they were mostly rejected.

It is my opinion that we need to re-assess the urbanization effect on surface air

temperature records for at least some regions of the continents. I am glad that you are

going to redo it using the updated dataset. I expect you to obtain the new outcome.

As for the dataset, I believe that Dr. Li Qingxiang could give you a hand. He and his

group conducted a lot work of detection and adjustment of the inhomogeneities in the

past years, and the adjusted and the raw datasets are all stored and managed in his

center. The datasets we used are also from his center.

I’d be happy to discuss some issues with you late, but I would not necessarily be as a

co-author because my contribution would be rather minor.

Best regards,


NCC, Beijing

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Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit        Telephone +44 (0) 1603 xxxx

School of Environmental Sciences    Fax +44 (0) 1603 xxxxx

University of East Anglia

Norwich                          Email    p.jones@xxxxx





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Chinese Mean Surface Air Temperature Data.pdf” Attachment Converted: “c:\eudora\attach\To



Here’s a bit torrent link to the file

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Interesting times we live in….

Rick Bradford

The e-mails are hilarious — the sequel is better than the original.
It shows that Jones et al don’t and didn’t have a clue what they were doing, and desperately didn’t want anyone to find out about it, to protect their funding stream.
In any sane world, that would be the ballgame.

John Marshall

Even more!
It has also come to light that Mr Harrabin, science and environmental correspondent for the BBC received £15000 from the UEA for services rendered. Harrabin established the BBC as media of choice for climate alarmism. I am having problems at the moment getting a blog about this accepted on Paul Hudson’s page.
So wheels within wheels and money flowing to maintain the lies.
Wonderful revelations just before Durban.


Here we go again. Just in time for Durban we learn of more climate science corruption, fraudulent science, FOI illegal activities and cover-ups. Pass the popcorn.

Frank K.

I read the e-mails early this morning at Jeff Id’s blog and to be honest there’s nothing unexpected (for me) in the content. It simply confirms what we’ve known all along about the politicization of climate science by the climate elites in search of fame, publicity, and (of course) loads of climate ca$h…
(By the way, Anthony, in the words of Mike Mann in several of the e-mails, you’re NOT helping “the cause” – LOL!).


We see that the insider is still active…


Wow… Will be interresting to see what they conclude that the scientists haven’t done wrong this time. 🙂
Funny quotes. 🙂

Bloke down the pub

It’s beginning to feel a lot like Christmas…..

P. Berkin

Admit it, WUWT, you’re funded by Big Popcorn!


Rick Bradford>> I agree. Better than 1.0 – if they are genuine! 🙂


The gift that keeps on giving.


The read me file in MY opinion shows that Mr FOIA is not an environmentalist, conservationist, kill-all-humans(excepttheonesIlike)ist.
But a humanitarian, very rare these days.


date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:51:44 +0200
from: Manola Brunet
subject: Re: Omar’s email
to: P.Jones@xxx.xx.xx
Hola Phil,
P.Jones@xxx.xx.xx escribió:
> Hola Manola,
> I’ve saved emails at CRU and then deleted them from the server. Now
> I’m at home I just have some hard copies. I also don’t


And he has retained 220,000 emails for future release/insurance. Sleep well climatologers.

Climategate 2.0 – see if the MSM can get it right this time.

Bloke down the pub

Wasn’t climategate 1.0 released just before a UN climate shindig?


Ray says:
We see that the insider is still active…

Is he? Are any of the new emails of more recent vintage than the release of the first batch?


Anyone cracked the PW on the 7zip file yet?

Frank K.

Bloke down the pub says:
November 22, 2011 at 6:49 am
It’s beginning to feel a lot like Christmas…..

Yes it is! In fact, here comes Santa “Cause”!!
// The Cause ///
By the way, when is Tom C going to formally publish his roughly 1500 year
reconstruction??? It would help the cause to be able to refer to that
reconstruction as confirming Mann and Jones, etc.
They will (see below) allow us to provide some discussion of the synthetic
example, referring to the J. Climate paper (which should be finally accepted
upon submission of the revised final draft), so that should help the cause a
I gave up on Judith Curry a while ago. I don’t know what she think’s she’s
doing, but its not helping the cause.


Note there are 220000 more emails ‘hidden’ behind a password. This implies that the password will be used at a later time to reveal them.
I am willing to speculate that the holder of the password is waiting to see if the advocates of CAGW will take some preemptive action to protect their position, and make their situation orders of magnitude worse.
It will be interesting to watch the core members of the hockey team in the coming weeks to see which one breaks for the tall grass first.


Hah, this is going to be entertaining.
I wonder how many more whitewash inquiries this will produce this time around?

More explosive revelations of climate fraud [SNIP: a word too far. -REP]? Bring it on!


If the ZIP is all text it should be quite vulnerable to brute force cracking by using known information (i.e. email addresses, keywords/phrases) in it.


What a coincidence. Oxburgh of inquiry fame just happens to be mentioned in the emails about which his inquiry dealt. No conflict of interest there then.

D. Patterson

As Crowley says the “truth” must take a back seat to their presonal relationships, including their religious beliefs and self-appointed duty to arbitrate the end results of climate research. They find the ends justify the means, like so many Utopians before them. Their beliefs and Utopian ideals take precedence over all of tthose other people who may have other Utopian ideals and disagree with them.

Theo Goodwin

Donna was prescient when she choose the book title “The Delinquent Teenager…” All of them are delinquent teenagers.


I think this is IT caught!
look at the programs
[REPLY: Those code snippets are from the original FOIA two years ago. There is no computer code in the current download. -REP]


It would seem that we have the reason why Mann doesn’t want those emails released.

I may even be running rarcrack now…
(not optimistic given the possibilities, but it’s bopping away on a separate thread)


Penn would do well to fire Mann immediately (re new emails) considering their extremely fragile position at this time.

I’m still in “wait” mode for the .ru server to respond to my download request.
This archive file really ought to be mirrored in multiple locations elsewhere.


Can anyone re-host the files? I think the original server getting slammed


If there is an encrypted zipped version called ‘all.7z’ and a selection of unencrypted files, then it seems rather likely that we have several cleartext and encrypted pairs. Shouldn’t take some clever people very long to break that…


Buy popcorn and whitewash futures!
Have to say I’m enormously impressed with the patience of FOIA – to sit on that treasure trove for 2 years waiting for the right moment to strike again.
The mention of the password is surely a threat – we’ve already seen the BBC’s Richard Black’s dismissive reaction. I wonder if further attempts at whitewashing will see the nuclear strike of releasing the password.

Sean Peake

Moderators, I guess you’ll need to call in reinforcements to handle the coming tsunami of comments. To quote Flounder in the epic Animal House,”Oh boy, is this great!”


I’m also hoping for someone to extract the MIME-encoded attachments. I’m swamped at work today with a big deplloyment or I’d give it a shot.


You won’t break AES-256 (the encryption used by 7-zip) in a zillion years, but no matter, have fun trying 🙂
I do love the way that we all now have all of the emails, but we can’t read them until the key is released – this makes further revelations very easy to do without any more uploading of files to dodgy servers. Just the key posted on a blog and the whole lot is out.


“…there are reports circulating of unprecedented demand on the world’s whitewash reserves…”

Golly this is gonna be fun.

Michael R

As with the last time, I have re-uploaded to another download location in case the first one stops working.


there’s a torrent url

Tobias Ostien

Kick the leaves and the cockroaches shuffle….hear that sound?

dave ward

As huge amounts of computer processing power are now readily available (via the “Cloud” for example), I imagine attempts are already being made to brute force the password…
The US Air Force linked up 1760 Sony PS3’s and got themselves a cheap but extremely capable super computer:


I wish this would finally bring an end to the global warming/ climate disruption movement. Unfortunately, I suspect the climate disruption zombies will keep going no matter how clearly their lies are exposed. I think this site should run a contest to predct the exact date when the truth finally triumphs and global warming dies. I bet everyone playing would donate towards a prize. I bet the contest would get media coverage too.

If Jones really said “I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the

He should be suspended immediately.

At 7:03 AM on 22 November, Andrew had written:

Penn would do well to fire Mann immediately (re new emails) considering their extremely fragile position at this time.

Be advised that in the Keystone State and thitherabouts, the use of “Penn” denotes the University of Pennsylvania, an Ivy League school in Philadelphia, whereas Dr. Mann is employed (for the nonce) by Pennsylvania State University, established in Centre County as the Commonwealth’s agricultural school.
When referring to this latter (now exquisitely tarnished) institution, it’s common to differentiate it as “Penn State,” not “Penn.”

And if it’s structured correctly, each archive could contain another encrypted archive to allow the mail to be released in tranches. A bit like an electronic onion, but perhaps with more crying.


Jones: I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process

Silly man. 😆 😆

If it talks like a conspiracy, and walks like a conspiracy, it just might be a – conspiracy…