CTVNews.ca Staff
Date: Sun. Nov. 27 2011 10:08 PM ET
Canada will announce next month that it will formally withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol, CTV News has learned.
The Harper government has tentatively planned an announcement for a few days before Christmas, CTV’s Roger Smith reported Sunday evening.
The developments come as Environment Minister Peter Kent prepares for a climate conference in Durban, South Africa that opens on Monday, with delegates from 190 countries seeking a new international agreement for cutting emissions.
h/t to WUWT reader Howard B
Related:
via Slashdot – “Alberta’s $60 million carbon-cutting program is failing, according to the latest report from the Canadian province’s auditor-general, Merwan Saher. A news article in Nature adds: ‘the province, despite earlier warnings, has not improved its regulatory structure — and calls the emissions estimates and the offsets themselves into question.'”
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
Canada had to get out before 2012. I am glad to see we have done so.
Europe’s $287bn carbon ‘waste’:
UBS report by: Sid Maher From: The Australian November 23, 2011
SWISS banking giant UBS says the European Union’s emissions trading scheme has cost the continent’s consumers $287 billion for “almost zero impact” on cutting carbon emissions, and has warned that the EU’s carbon pricing market is on the verge of a crash next year.
In a damning report to clients, UBS Investment Research said that had the 210bn the European ETS had cost consumers been used in a targeted approach to replace the EU’s dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43 per cent “instead of almost zero impact on the back of emissions trading”.
Great news.
Alberta is spending way too much on the folly of CCS and continuing to allow no end of wind projects. The Alberta and federal governments are still plagued with liberal, warmists at high levels of the bureaucracies–and these scoundrels direct ignorant politicians. But this is good news … for a change. I hope this is not a false alarm.
In any case, the liberal left newspapers will try to make a big deal about his. Let us hope that Peter and Stephen stand firm.
Clive
Excellent. I feel even prouder to be a Canadian today!!
I was happy to see this headline, but saddened by the way CTV reports this.
Airing Elizabeth (there are only 1 or 2 things wrong with the IPCC reports, & we must ban WiFi) Mays’ reaction, calling it sabotage, amongst other nonsense.
Oh yeah baby! Gotta ask Elisabeth May how it feels to be an MP tomorrow.
I feel even worse for the folks in Oz now.
Now they can use their oil sands to become the next Saudi Arabia and benefit from a warmer world in the process. It makes perfect sense (for them).
Anthony, you’re truly a mensch. Get some sleep. We need you.
Canada, Japan, and Russia are refusing to even discuss the next round.
Great news and long overdue.
The global warming scammers have had their day.
Congrats to Tom Harris and the ICSC.
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/
Now that’s leadership.
lol, a great Christmas present for the loons in Durban.
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear. That would bring electricity production to 0 carbon. That gives another 30 to 40 years for wind and solar and other renewables to catch up in efficiency but in the meantime eliminates CO2 generated by electricity production of CO2 is really the issue. Use a system like France where your spent fuel is reprocessed and recycled ON THE FACILITY. No moving of any nuclear fuel around after the initial fuel load, the only thing you bring in after that is natural uranium.
See “Smarter Use of Nuclear Waste” Scientific American December 2005 available at a Google near you.
If CO2 is such a threat to our survival, you have the means at hand right now to drastically cut the production of it in Australia. But my guess is that it isn’t really *about* CO2 at all.
It’s good news but even in the conservative government there are plenty of alarmist bureaucrats drooling about how much tax money they can waste on “Global Warming” projects. The fight is far from over.
YES! Well done, my northern friends, congratulations. Timing of the leak is perfect. Heck, it might even happen.
w.
Don’t start celebrating yet they haven’t let loose of the scam yet
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/11/27/durban-kent-cp.html?cmp=rss
What is interesting about this CBC news release comments are not allowed. Usually comments are allowed on news releases but the CBC in very biased towards Mann caused global warming .
There are comments allowed in the following release and it is interesting to notice more comments against Mann caused climate change are increasing over time but the CBC only rarely lets a skeptic news release through, and only with a caveat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/11/27/durban-climate-change.html?cmp=rss
I have also read, Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada is donating millions to fight climate change in developing counties but he is using the climate change moniker with the aid that these countries would get anyhow so walks the vote gettin fence. If he wasen’t a politician I think the whole Mann caused climate change would disappear on the federal level. He is not stupid, Canada and Sweden are about the most stable countries in this so called world wide economic crisis along with a recovering Iceland which told the banks where to stick it.
I thought that was imminent. There are other countries too, including the USA, India, S.Korea and others. I doubt if UK will sign up. The European parliament won’t agree to increase carbon emissions, so what hope is there. Yes feel sorry for Australia caught with its breeches down.
But if we can’t remove this carbon tax by July, just remember it will take years to implement an international carbon trading scheme, by then and hopefully, cross my fingers, pray to God, and
my legs, the Coalition will repeal the carbon tax regulation,.
Just wanted to talk science for a minute..
Have had enough politics for the holidays.
I would have thought this would be already talked about, but here goes.
Here is a video from NHK WORLD :
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/fixed/asx/30_13_512k.asx
Here is the news story from NHK WORLD:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/30_13.html
CO2 density map created using satellite data
A Japanese research group has created a world map which shows estimated carbon dioxide emissions in each region using for the first time data acquired by a satellite.
The group at the National Institute for Environmental Studies estimated regional CO2 emissions by combining data from Japan’s Global Gases Observing Satellite, Ibuki, and ground observation data collected for a year from June 2009.
Of 64 regions on the map, those where CO2 emissions exceeded CO2 absorption are shown in red and regions where emissions were less than absorption are marked in green.
The researchers found that CO2 absorption in high latitude regions in the northern hemisphere, including Russia’s Siberia, was higher than earlier estimated. They add that greater CO2 emissions were observed in regions near the equator.
The researchers say satellite data allowed them to reduce errors in estimated emissions. Ground data are collected at 139 locations which are distributed unevenly throughout the world.
The head of the research institute, Yasuhiro Sasano, says he hopes the map will help display how much each region needs to reduce its CO2 emissions in the future.
Sunday, October 30, 2011 14:03 +0900 (JST)
If I understand this correctly, the Third World countries emit the highest amounts of Co2 or unable to absorb Co2 and the Industrialized World better absorbs or produces lesser Co2 than previously thought.
This should produce a bunch of head jerking.
You lucky lucky Bastards
I think this Aussie might need to emigrate if this Loony left Govt down here is not shown the door soon.
Or how about the French getting in on the subject of the Co2 absorption from JAXA:
http://aerospace.firetrench.com/2011/11/on-estimating-global-monthly-carbon-dioxide-fluxes-by-region-utilizing-the-observational-data-obtained-by-ibuki/
Firetrench Aerospace & Defence
i) With the addition of the GOSAT observational data to the ground-based
monitoring data, significant uncertainty reduction was achieved in the
monthly regional CO2 flux estimates. It is expected that continuous CO2
monitoring by GOSAT and further refinement of the data processing
methods will lead to effective monitoring of variations in monthly
regional CO2 fluxes.
ii) In particular, uncertainties of CO2 fluxes estimated for South America,
Africa, the Near and Middle East, and Asia have been reduced by as much
as about 50% (annual average) with the addition of the GOSAT data to the
ground-based monitoring data.
iii) The seasonal trends of summertime CO2 uptake associated with plant
photosynthesis and wintertime CO2 emission in high latitudinal regions of
the northern hemisphere are broadly consistent with past findings. It is
expected that the response of terrestrial biosphere to future climate
change, in terms of changes in flux amounts, may be detected in its early
stage with continuing observation by GOSAT and further refinements in the
data processing methods.
iv) The global annual flux for the period of June 2009 to May 2010 was
evaluated at around 4 gigatons of carbon per year, which is almost
equivalent to the values calculated from the growth rates of CO2
concentrations in the atmosphere for this period. The validity of this
annual flux and the contributions of anthropogenic emissions or fluxes of
natural origin will be the subject of further investigations.
v) Monthly fluxes calculated from the GOSAT data and the ground-based
monitoring data in some regions show differences to those calculated from
only the ground-based monitoring data. It is expected that continuous
monitoring by GOSAT and further research undertakings will yield further
understanding of the CO2 flux behavior.
And lastly, I found the PDF for GOSAT that was sent for peer-review to
Scientific Online Letters on the Atmosphere
On Estimating Global Monthly Carbon Dioxide Fluxes by Region,
utilizing the observational data obtained by
the Greenhouse gases Observing SATellite “IBUKI” (GOSAT)
http://www.gosat.nies.go.jp/eng/related/download/GOSAT_L4_Release_en.pdf
This almost restores my faith in JAXA, but we shall see.
If this story didn’t reach us by usual channels, then someone doesn’t want it to be
circulated.
GET TO CIRCULATING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Virginia…….. there is a Santa Clause and he gave me what I asked for, for Christmas.
Makes the Australian Prime Minister look even more stupid! Nice one Canucks!
Understand this,
This article has more potential to upset the talks at Durban than the 5000+ emails recently released.
SOLA, 2011, Vol. 7, 161−164, doi:10.2151/sola.2011-041 161
On the Benefit of GOSAT Observations to the Estimation of Regional CO2
Fluxes
H. Takagi, T. Saeki, T. Oda, M. Saito, V. Valsal, D. Belikov, R. Saito, Y. Yoshida
, I. Morino, O. Uchino, R. J. Andres, T. Yokota, and S. Maksyutov
National Institute for Environmental Studies, Tsukuba, Japan
Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/sola/7/0/161/_pdf
As a fellow that works the oil sands here in Fort McMurray, Alberta – our conservative PM Harper just gave Obama and his green shaft scams the ultimate finger. Man, I’d like to be a fly on the wall in Durban as this gets around the Europeans – if you ever heard pigs sequel then there are gonna be a whole lot of EU pigs squealing at their very best. What a great day to be a Canadians!
But its gonna be a whole lot sweeter for us here in Alberta when every one of those CBC/Toronto AGW fanatics have a national break down – And I’m gonna be there for every moment! And Anthony – you were all over this news before I was even aware anything like this had even occurred. I’m starting to think you’re a robot – I live in the far west and I’m tired and sleepy. BUt You’re still going like that damn bunny –
If you want to watch the Durban conference,
they are having a live feed here:
http://unfccc4.meta-fusion.com/kongresse/cop17/templ/live.php?id_kongresssession=4152
They are about to have a Welcoming Ceremony at the moment.
@ClimateForAll: JoNova had an article about that On Nov. 3
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/11/co2-emitted-by-the-poor-nations-and-absorbed-by-the-rich-oh-the-irony-and-this-truth-must-not-be-spoken/
Harper’s the MAN. I may disagree with some of his posturing, but on this account he’s coming through as promised. This puts Canada in a position of leadership regarding climate kookiness.
The fight was very tough. Thousands of letters and emails to the PM…. Thousands of letters to activist reporters and editors at Canadian Newspapers since 2004….
letters to the provincial government, city council……
It has been a very long tough fight indeed. so Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
The Green religion has been stopped by a Conservative Government, The last election is when the leftists lost control and the Tory PM is unstoppable.
Now I want an investigation into the misuse of federal money at universities engaged in boondoggle green religious activity.
If this is true, good for Canada. I am glad our neighbor to the north sees the folly in green shenanigans like Kyoto. If only our President and his lackeys over at EPA would take a lesson from the Canadians – in more ways than one.
ClimateForAll says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:58 pm
This almost restores my faith in JAXA, but we shall see.
A little caution here: the CO2 balances include a huge natural component, mainly from vegetation growth and decomposition and ocean absorption/release over the seasons. Besides that, there is a continuous CO2 release of the oceans in the tropics and CO2 absorption in the polar seas. The natural fluxes are around 97% of all CO2 fluxes. The human component is only 3%. I wonder if the GOSAT observations have enough accuracy to detect the 3% in the total fluxes. Thus it is a little too early to accuse the developing countries of being the source of the CO2 increase, as most of what we see in the data are natural fluxes. It would be interesting to see the anual average for the different regions, but even then, the question of accuracy remains…
@garymount
Thanks, but you do get my point though.
Jo wrote that over three weeks ago, yet not a single major paper picked up on it.
Not even WUWT.
All I am saying, is that those that are at Durban need to raise this issue up and all the media outlets need to print this story.
Jo can’t do it on her own.
I would walk up into these meetings and ask these delegates if they knew that third world countries are responsible for producing more Co2 than previously known and that the civilized world absorbs more Co2 than previously understood.
That would go over real well.
Hey Durban, its ok lil buddy, produce that evil Co2, the #1 polluter of Co2 seems to have your back and can absorb anything you dish out. 😀
EU has more to worry about than carbon trading and Durban. Everyone, apart from the EU, are drawing up plans for the aftermath of Euro collapse which will cause world problems that climate change can only wish for.
It might get some people back into the real world.
“The human component is only 3%. I wonder if the GOSAT observations have enough accuracy to detect the 3% in the total fluxes”
Ferdinand, they measured fluxes for a full year so your 3% argument is invalid. If the 3% is truly an unbalanced increase, year over year, they would have measured it.
Ferdinand, if the human CO2 component is so insignificant (undetectable), compared to the natural fluxes, don’t you think that it’s influence on the atmospheric CO2 is also insignificant?
I don’t think anybody is accusing the developing countries of being the anthropogenic source, the observations is that anthropogenic sources are insignificant, compared to the natural fluxes.
Justin Credible says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:42 pm
“Excellent. I feel even prouder to be a Canadian today!!”
Yes that’s good news. Some of us in the US may even begin reconsidering our opinion that Mexico is the saner of our two neighbors.
Maybe there’s hope for Australia and Great Britain too. It’s like bizzarro world that eastern Europe has more common sense than our traditional western allies. I mean how utterly strange it is that the president of the Czech Republic, Vaclav Klaus, is the only president in the free world playing with a full deck at the moment. I can’t think of any others right now that’s for sure. Even calling the Czech Republic part of the free world, to say nothing of being a NATO member, is still passing strange for somebody born and raised in the US during The Cold War with the Soviet Union and Mutually Assured Destruction the only think keeping a fragile peace constrained to fighting conventional proxy wars in unlikely third world locations like Korea and Vietnam.
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Ferdinand Engelbeen says:
November 28, 2011 at 1:03 am
“A little caution here: the CO2 balances include a huge natural component, mainly from vegetation growth and decomposition and ocean absorption/release over the seasons. Besides that, there is a continuous CO2 release of the oceans in the tropics and CO2 absorption in the polar seas.”
Jah jah. Is just coincidence that most remote places on earth, Antarctica and Mauna Loa, agree down to a couple parts per million of atmospheric CO2 rise. Is also just coincidence that CO2 rise is so reliably close to half of annual anthropogenic emissions it should become some unit of measurement adopted by weights and standards.
Nothing to see there. CO2 is not well mixed and humans have nothing to do with the rise.
Ernst Beck! Rah rah rah cis boom bah!
Don’t forget to wave your pompoms, Ferdinand.
Here is another idea. Stop acting like if CO2 were a pollutant. It is not. It is the only source of C and the primary source of O for the living organisms.
Manfred says: November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm
“…SWISS banking giant UBS says the European Union’s emissions trading scheme has cost the continent’s consumers $287 billion for “almost zero impact” on cutting carbon emissions, and ….. UBS Investment Research said that had the 210bn the European ETS had cost consumers been used in a targeted approach to replace the EU’s dirtiest power plants, emissions could have been reduced by 43 per cent “instead of almost zero impact on the back of emissions trading
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Says it all.
That is the looney left for you.
It is obvious that phased adaption is much better than attempts at mitigation
Maple Leaf UP !
Please wait a couple of months before repealing the Canadian Human Rights Act that made it a crime to make contemptuous posts on the internet. Getting your freedom of speech back too close to rejecting the Kyoto Protocol could throw me into cardiac arrest. I’m feeling faint already. Fortunately I don’t have to wait in line for first class medical attention here. I should run down and get an MRI tomorrow just to be safe and just because I can.
Ferdinand —
The point here is that it’s a reverse hockey-stick, a compelling graphic that makes a point for the non-warmist version of the process. The warmists understand that, which is why it isn’t being publicized — it’s been out for a month or so.
Regards,
Ric
Royal Bank of Scotland cancels climate change campaign sponsorship. RBS ends sponsorship of Climate Week following accusations of ‘corporate greenwash’ due to its financing of polluting industries.
Guardian Monday 28 November 2011 08.28 GMT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/nov/28/royal-bank-scotland-climate-sponsorship
The scientifically illiterate Liar running Aus just now, with help from the puppetmaster, will do as she has on EVERY issue re climate so far..spout the IPCC and Best available science waffle yet again..while completely ignoring the fact that science is never settled and info gets thrown out updated and quite often is fraudulent to acheive a goal, usually financial.
her method of countering any serious questions is to speak really s l o w, and repeat repeat repeat a very limited mantra.”climate change is real…and Taxing us “is the right thing for her to do!”
we are leading the world you know…In Stupidity and Ignorance.
I guess B Brown is at Durban crying over everyone, about how hard it is to persuade the masses that hes right,
I hope Durban cops a snowstorm and hes out on the beach!
No point in arguing about radiation physics, CO2 balances, etc. THE PSEUDOSCIENCE WAS NEVER THE PURPOSE OF ALL THIS. It was just a sideshow to impress the yokels, and the yokels are no longer impressed.
Manfred’s note of the UBS report gives us a much better clue as to why the scam is falling apart: The money stopped flowing.
When a huge bank like UBS publicly states that the fraud is no longer profitable, the governments read it. GAME OVER.
The Canadians will keep bringing up that black gold in Alberta, and they will prosper. Real leaders recognize when it’s time to get out of the way and let folks be productive. One more year and the folks south of the border will be coming around, too.
May I proudly claim my 25% Canook blood now, please?
We need a thread on this story Anthony.
@ferdinand meeus Engelbeen
3%, 4%, 5%.
If man’s contribution to Co2 output is that little and Co2 is around 393ppm, man makes up less than 20ppm. I suppose i should buckle up for a wild ride.
You remove mans contribution to Co2 and the planet will reach whatever tipping point on its own without our help @ 2ppm per year.
Co2 rise isn’t going to go away.
But this isn’t the story.
The story is the fact that GOSAT data found greater absorption in Co2 where supposedly, we have been told there wasn’t any.
And that the least amount of absorption was in areas where science thought was Co2 sinks.
So, what purpose does it serve to have a wait and see attitude?
Seems to me if the science supported the eco-facist numbnutz, they wouldn’t wait a freaking second.
The story would be, OH MY, ITS WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT ! IT TOO LATE ! WE”RE ALL DOOMED ! ! !
Pretty much what we get now, with poor or little to no science and the media eat it up.
But find a article like the one published in SOLA, and none of the media outlets even mention it.
What is it?
Need time to debunk it?
This article is like a kick in the ball sack.
Game Over !
Proud to be 100% Canadian once again.
And yes, I eat gravy on my fries!
That maybe how CTV reports it, but lets see how our great public broadcaster the CBC reports it. I can guarantee you that there will be much fingerpointing and blame from the left CBC toward the conservative government for contributing to the end of the world. I’ll bet they don’t give Peter Kent more than a few seconds of airtime, but they’ll give Elizabeth May and David Suzuki all the airtime they want. I can’t wait to hear from comrade Peter Mansbridge on this one too , and then hear Rex Murphy’s view. This should be entertaining.
Thank G someone in Ottawa is taking the bull by the horns and stop bowing to the interests of the EU. I like selling things to the EU, but they can keep their culture over there thanks.
After the failure of Durban, how will Australia justify its carbon tax and their carbon cops (the so-called green jobs)??
ClimateForAll says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm
The researchers found that CO2 absorption in high latitude regions in the northern hemisphere, including Russia’s Siberia, was higher than earlier estimated. They add that greater CO2 emissions were observed in regions near the equator.
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CFA, C3’s are better at sequestering CO2…..
..biology gets in the way of this CO2 mess every time….but biology is harder than math
….and climatologists can’t even do math
I agree, this should be on the front of every blog……why isn’t it?
Hills pockmarked with wind power and fields of large scale solar power should be next on the list. Regardless of ways in which these energy sources “should” be used (and are) that are beneficial in every sense, the current large scale design has just one goal in mind: Get rich quick schemes on the backs of tax payers. And players from all sides have bellied up to the bar to drink that coolaid, regardless of their thoughts on AGW.
In the near future, wind towers and large scale solar panels will be used as prime examples of boondoggles.
Good for Canada. No matter what the purported purposes of the Kyoto Treaty, the details reveal it has little to do with limiting emissions.
I was most perplexed by the CBC interview with Mr. Kent. His statement was clearly that they were pushing for concrete accords and achievable targets for emission reductions….
Now that I read this, once again, politicians are not to be trusted. Just what is going on is unclear but certainly Mr. Harper is more beholden to the oil-patch than to the banksters so we may get out of Kyoto forthwith.
Will our governments ever get anything right?
I, too, have been very active in passing on reports and info that I have read on WUWT,[tnxAnthony].
I have been sending numerous e-mails and snail-mails to both the Federal Gov. and the Alberta Provincial Gov.
They have not completely stopped financing AGW projects yet, as both govenments announced $million to CCS progams.
It appears that with the recent Conservative Governments majority, that they will not be so reluctant to ease out of the AGW hoax.
What great news! Letters to the PM do make a difference, and of course WUWT’s contributors, and Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick and other delvers of the truth deserve a lion’s share of our thanks. But credit is also due to Canada’s National Post and especially the editors at its business and economics section Financial Post for championing the free exchange of ideas and revealing the solid basis of climate skepticism. Thanks ultimately to Conrad Black for founding the National Post and freeing Canadians from the stranglehold and excesses of politically-correct leftist journalism. Steven Harper can act as he does as he knows he is not alone in his skepticism, but is actually representing a large number of Canadians and with good scientific justification. (N.B. to the left-wing here at WUWT: this is not a jibe against the left, but against those of the left wedded to political correctness. This combination in Canada invented in the 1980s the PC excesses being currently experienced in the UK – one of our worst exports ever.)
I, too, have been sending numerous articles about the AGW hoax that
I have read on WUWT [thanks Anthony] by way of e-mails and snail-mails
to both the Can. Fed Gov. and the Alberta Prov. Gov.
They recently announced funding for CCS of several hundred millions of dollars.
WHY? They will not answer me.
Hopefully now that the Harper Gov. has a majority, they will ease out of the
scandalous AGW hoax once and for all [hopefully].
Most of Canada is cold 7 months of the year, and freezing about 4 months. If you really ask the people on the streets now, about half really hope global warming is real and that we can warm up a lot more.
Unfortunately, winters are still way too old here.
I always thought money spent fighting climate change was just like throwing a virgin into a volcano.
Wonderful. Now Environmentalists will have more sadistic pleasure than usual scapegoating Albertans for the world’s “global climate crisis.” We will be even more hated than we were before. All of this, despite the fact that all of those finger pointers could never live a day without their petroleum-derrived products.
I blame George W. Bush. Thank you, George!
“Alberta Slim says:
November 28, 2011 at 6:36 am
They recently announced funding for CCS of several hundred millions of dollars.
WHY? They will not answer me.”
The Alberta government funds CCS because the CO2 captured will be injected into old oil wells to boost production, thereby increasing royalties to the Alberta government.
CCS was sold as CO2 capture by the oil industry, so they could get paid to do something they would have otherwise had to pay for themselves.
Think about it. If the oil industry was to simply announce they were injecting CO2 underground, people would be up in arms, claiming that the practice was potentially dangerous. The CO2 could escape uncontrollably, and potentially lead to deaths.
However, under the banner of CCS, the oil industry can inject CO2 in massive quantities to boost oil production without fear of environmental backlash. If a disaster results, well it isn’t the fault of the oil industry. They were simply doing what environmental regulations told them to do.
Canada entered Kyoto largely because then Prime Minister Chretien was retiring under pressure and wanted to be remembered for Kyoto, not for the Shawinigan Scandal.
Similar to Gillard in Oz, Chretien came to power in Canada on a promise to repeal the much hated GST tax. Instead he expanded the tax under the banner of HST.
As I said several times over the past several months, Kyoto is dead. It died in Copenhagen, and there’s no post-2012 agreement.
And why is this happening now? One possible reason is that the bankrupt EU has irritated Canada one too many times. First, some of its contingents behaved rather spinelessly in the Libya operation. Canada’s air force had to carry out far more than its alloted mission quota thanks to one EU air force after another “red flagging” missions.
Second, the EU is trying to boycott Canadian oil exports. And in the process holding up free trade negotiations.
And since the only real purpose of Kyoto was to restrict North American economic growth to European levels, Canada, and PMSH in particular have finally said that enough is enough. Take your “money-sucking socialist schemes” elsewhere.
“vigilantfish says:
November 28, 2011 at 6:23 am
What great news! Letters to the PM do make a difference.”
I wrote PM Harper’s office when Climategate broke, pointing out the dangers that Cancun presented to Canada’s future prosperity and was pleasantly surprised to receive a reply.
It was one of the few times I felt a politician actually understood the issues beyond the effect they would have on their image and re-election .
Canada has slowly positioned itself slightly right of center. The wide swings left or right are a thing of the past and the Harper government is walking the tight rope slowly and carefully. Ditching to Kyoto Protocal was a no brainer but the ripples will be felt through out the world.
I hope the US can deal with it’s” carbon issues” in the years to come. Slow and sure wins the ball game.
Alberta and BC on the other hand has scrambled the impress the Media by putting in place unworkable carbon taxes and BS carbon capture plans. They need to tear a couple of pages out of Harpers play book.
Maybe some sense is coming in. I’m glad to be canadian. Not that I agree with everything our new government is doing. But I like this and scrapping the long gun registry. Now if they would finally get around to doing an elected senate and leave the Wheat board alone.
Also, everyone knows this CO2 mania is not “sustainable” in the long run. So it is a waiting game on one side and a “hurry up before we lose our chance” on the other.
Kent says ‘Kyoto is the past’ but refuses to confirm Canada’s withdrawal.
By The Canadian Press | November 28, 2011
OTTAWA – Environment Minister Peter Kent says he’s heading to climate talks in South Africa this week in search of a new agreement.
But Kent refused to say whether that also means Canada is formally set to withdraw from the international Kyoto Accord on reducing greenhouse-gas emissions.
“I’m neither confirming nor denying,” Kent told a news conference.
He insisted, however, that Canada will not make a second commitment to that accord.
“Kyoto is the past,” said the Conservative minister, while agreements made at more recent climate summits in Copenhagen and Cancun are the future.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/59091–kent-says-kyoto-is-the-past-but-refuses-to-confirm-canada-s-withdrawal
The headline of the story gives the impression that Canada is now doing nothing to reduce carbon dioxide emissions . The Federal Government has introduced new draft regulations to phase out all coal fired electrical energy plants in Canada . This is far more than what is being done in many European countries and especially in Germany which is switching from nuclear to fossil fuel .
With this news and to support our Canadian economic Partner, my wife and I will go to Toronto this weekend for the Craft Show; spend some money. “Its beginning to look a lot like Christmas.”
Jim D says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Now they can use their oil sands to become the next Saudi Arabia and benefit from a warmer world in the process. It makes perfect sense (for them).
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It makes perfect sense for everyone
Latitude says:
November 28, 2011 at 5:46 am
CFA, C3′s are better at sequestering CO2…..
…….under cooler temperature (90 degrees or less) regimes at higher latitudes. C4’s are better at higher temperatures (>90 degrees) in the lower latitudes.
This is just a modification of the game plan but it looks like there are plans for the
CONgame to continue. However it could also be a face saving measure as they start stepping back from the whole bloody mess. China and India and the other countries are not about to kill their industry as we have.klem says:
November 28, 2011 at 5:41 am
You are absolutely right. CBC will go bananas over this and bring out every environmentalist and doom and gloom. Global TV will be right in line with them too.
That is why I rarely believe anything they put up on TV anymore, you will only get a 1 side biased opinion.
Now, lets get our Alberta gov’t to shut down the CCS bs….
I wouldn’t celebrate yet. They still plan to cut GHG by attacking the coal industry, cement, oilsands, and gas industry. The only reason they’re not signing onto kyoto is because others won’t. Or sign it in a second. What we as the people need, is an organization to sue government individuals and these treehugger outfits for the economic damages they cause.
crosspatch says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Manfred says:
November 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear….
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We really need to get our rear-ends in gear and make thorium nuclear commercial. That is where China, Japan and India are headed. The USA had looked at a thorium fulled aircraft sixty years or so ago which is where a lot of the technology comes from.
http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf62.html
a bit of history: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/all/1
A blog full of links and a video: http://atomicinsights.com/2011/10/lftr-in-five-minutes-is-thorium-better-than-a-silver-bullet-energy-solution.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AtomicInsights+%28Atomic+Insights%29
Blak is spinning so furiously he makes Sleeping Beauty seem feasible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15894948
A BBC link.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2011/11/do-you-think-the-kyoto-protocol-is-the-past.html
ClimateForAll says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Just wanted to talk science for a minute..
Have had enough politics for the holidays.
I would have thought this would be already talked about, but here goes….
____________________Yes it was talked about when ut first hit about a month? ago. It was linked to this: https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/strange-discrepancies-in-co2-measurement/
Canada is a Hockey & Beer nation. As the legends go, the Lord’s prophet, Don Cherry, came down from the Air Canada Centre and gave 13 commandments to two great Canadians, Bob and Doug McKenzie, while they were ice fishing, up North, at the lake by their cabin;
1. Mann shalt not make graven images of a Hockey Stick.
2. CO2 is harmless and it’s falling over, after a case of beer, what gives you a hangover.
Unfortunately, they fell over after the first two commandants and since then Canadians practice this “falling over” each week, usually after watching Hockey Night in Canada.
Also, according to legend, the prophet Don Cherry stressed the importance of throwing down Hockey Sticks and settling issues mann-to-man on the ice.
I hereby declare this forever more to be known as “Poutine Day”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine
Bon Appetite mon ami 🙂
ClimateForAll says:
November 28, 2011 at 1:14 am
@garymount
Thanks, but you do get my point though…..
Jo wrote that over three weeks ago, yet not a single major paper picked up on it…..
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You send it to the Tea Party and then you send it to the Congress/Parliament critters. You then hit all the SMALL newspapers you can especially in farming towns. It is a pat on the back to the farming communities “OUR HEROES!” sort of thing.
Also thanks for the link to the actual paper that was missing on the first go round.
If one were to accept the IPCC’s figures (a pretty big “if”) each tonne of carbon dioxide emissions will lead to a global temperature change of 0.0000000000015 degrees Celsius. (1.5E-12)
Therefore, had Canada met its Kyoto target, global temperature increase would have been averted by 0.000243 degrees C.
Kyoto, despite all the noise, is a ridiculously trivial agreement.
crosspatch says:
November 27, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Here’s a novel idea: Replace EVERY coal power plant right now with nuclear. That would bring electricity production to 0 carbon. That gives another 30 to 40 years for wind and solar and other renewables to catch up in efficiency but in the meantime eliminates CO2 generated by electricity production of CO2 is really the issue.
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Urederra says:
November 28, 2011 at 2:54 am
Here is another idea. Stop acting like if CO2 were a pollutant. It is not. It is the only source of C and the primary source of O for the living organisms.
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It is a put your money where your mouth is sort of thing.
If you think CO2/oil is so bad then give me your house keys and car keys and start undressing ’cause you are wearing synthetics made of oil… I pulled that on a loud mouth pontificating at a convention. I thought she was going to choke to death or have a heart attack on the spot.
Elementaryteacher says:
November 28, 2011 at 6:54 am
I always thought money spent fighting climate change was just like throwing a virgin into a volcano.
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The virgin ===> volcano is preferred. It costs less and kills a lot fewer people. Perhaps we should try a new version of the tried and true volcano scenario. Start tossing politicians into the volcano.
“Delegates at the conference will also be hammering out the details of a plan to administer the Green Climate Fund, money that is to help poor countries deal with climate change. The fund is expected to grow over the next eight years to eventually distribute about $100 billion a year. However, it is still unclear where all of that money will come from and how it will be distributed”
I think in reality the Climate Fund is money that will also help poor countries buy cheap chinese made weapons. Sure some will go to build a few wind turbines for the international media and give the Western leftys a warm fuzzy feeling, but some of the money will be siphoned away for things like AK47s which can now be bought for about $5 each. I don’t trust this Climate Fund and I really don’t trust the UN pencil-pushers who plan tho be the ones who control it. This plan does not pass my sniff test, I sense another UN corruption scandle in the future and the Climate Fund will be smack in the middle of it. Just watch.
If you were a military dictator getting cash to build a few wind turbines, what would you do?
For a view on what the Canadian public thinks about Kyoto, have a skim through the comments on the Globe and Mail’s coverage of this story:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/climate-groups-to-canada-commit-to-kyoto-or-stay-home/article2252151/
For those not familiar, the Globe and Mail is a center-left newspaper, similar to the New York Times, which makes the tone of commentary even more impressive.
Russ R.
I don’t think I’d characterize the New York Times as a center-left newspaper. They pretty much drink any Kool-Aid they can find.
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/11/28/tasha-kheiriddin-how-kyoto-accord-got-lost-in-the-smog/
Looking forward to Rex Murphy’s take on CGII
It took some digging, but I found a article written by a fellow Canadian, by the name of Dr.Tim Ball, covering the subject related to the GOSAT/JAXA Co2 paper, i.e. Takagi et al. 2011
Whether It Is Warming or Climate Change, It Cannot Be the CO2
by Dr. Tim Ball 11/19/11
Recently a Japanese Research Institute published a satellite map of sources of CO2 emissions. It was virtually ignored by the mainstream media, but that has become an inverse measure of its significance to the climate debate. It showed a pattern that most would not expect because of the misleading information presented by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) amplified by most media. Producers of the research illustrate the problem.
“The head of the research institute, Yasuhiro Sasano, says he hopes the map will help display how much each region needs to reduce its CO2 emissions in the future.”
This is only a politically correct comment because the map illustrates the exact opposite, CO2 emission reduction is not required where the IPCC recommend. John O’Sullivan correctly drew attention to this dilemma, however, the results are logical if known science is applied.
Continue reading the story here:
http://lewrockwell.com/orig11/ball-t8.1.1.html
GO CANUCKS!
The Harper government would never had done it while they were a minority, but now that they are elected for 4 to 5 years, they can sweep the Kyoto rubbish in the trash. Great news! And hopefully an inspiration for other countries. There is much political hypocrisy in the world about the Kyoto Protocol.
Now, let’s brace ourselves for an onslaught of denunciations from the overwhelmingly leftist Canadian media.
I hope this means we will get rid of the Global Warming/Climate Change propaganda on the envirronment Canada web site:
http://www.climatechange.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=E18C8F2D-1
@CFA
http://drtimball.com/2011/whether-it-is-warming-or-climate-change-it-cannot-be-the-co2/
and
http://drtimball.com/2011/ipcc-climate-claims-falsified-by-2010-record-high-co2-levels/
“Now, let’s brace ourselves for an onslaught of denunciations from the overwhelmingly leftist Canadian media.”
I say bring it.
“now that they are elected for 4 to 5 years, they can sweep the Kyoto rubbish in the trash. ”
Yea but this is Canada, where a majority federal government is essentially a five year dictatorship. If the right leaning Tories believed that Cap&Trade, or a carbon tax or carbon controls would win them the next election they would ram it down our throats and their is nothing we could do about it. It does not matter which side they are on, left or right. They have a dictatorship.
Don’t let your guard down, ever. Not in Canada.
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/climate-groups-to-canada-commit-to-kyoto-or-stay-home/article2252151/comments/
♫ climategate is here again ♫
climate science – the new oxymoron.
“have been temporary closed “
The Wall Street Journal has a great article on CAGW = Religion:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203935604577066183761315576.html
“Take this protocol and shove it”, to paraphrase Johnny Paycheck.
I AM CANADIAN.
Now if we can just get Harper to hold the $400 million green funding and put it toward a Royal Commission of inquiry, How did this psuedo science get accepted as policy quality ? Who signed off on behalf of Canada accepting this dreck?.Who amongst our protection agencies did even the most basic data checking to protect the tax payer? Why are our self styled intellectials so scientifically illiterate?Who shall be accountable for the cost?Why should Environment Canada and CBC continue to be funded by my tax dollars in light of their total betrayal of their mandates on this matter?The climate gate emails/ wikileaks are all the evidence of CBCs agenda needed.Propaganda from the constantly biased corp is not a thing I wish to keep funding.
Interesting thing about the japanese Co2 data. It is not in the place one would think it would be.
http://drtimball.com/2011/whether-it-is-warming-or-climate-change-it-cannot-be-the-co2/
klem says:
November 28, 2011 at 2:58 pm
I have heard this complaint from someone else. They could not substantiate why a majority is a problem other than “it’s a dictatorship” repeated over and over. More left wing bloviating cause you won’t be getting your way. Canada is in better shape than ANY other country in the world. Why can you not admit that a majority can at least DO something. Just not what you want it to do. Move to North Korea so your dictatorship comment will have meaning.
On May 3, 2007 Canada amended the Canada Elections Act, changing the length of time before an election must be held.
“General election to be held on the third Monday in October every 4 years.
First fixed-date election to be held in 2012.”
The oposition forced an early election (thanks guys and gals 🙂 ) and in May 2011, the Stephen Harper government won a 4 year mandate.
Good work canada! TheUSADebate.com
Before the GST, there was a hidden tax on manufactured goods that only applied to goods produced in Canada. After becoming more global, such as creating a free trade agreement with the U.S.A. , and later extending the agreement to Mexico and creating NAFTA, the tax that only applied to Canadian manufactured goods created an uncompetitive disadvantage to the Canadian economy. Hence the switch to a revenue neutral tax that became known as the GST. It is similar to a VAT as known in some other countries.
The HST is simply the combining of a provincial sales tax (PST) with the GST so that there is a cost savings of billions of dollars a year from less paper work for any province which chooses to participate.
B.C. is reverting back to the more costly GST, PST after the left successfully hoodwinked the general population in a referendum vote to cancel the HST agreement with the federal government.
In main govt’s know the result of climate change // It an a repeat
situation of wiping out the dinosaur // only this time its humanity…
and if a large lump of rock hurtling towards the planet // it being
is there any point in alarming the people in telling them that it be
a reality THE TIME IS NIGH ….ALL BEING DOOMED DOOMED ?.
NO not realy / is the answer there would be panic / in a percent of
the population /though reality be the major part of the human race
would look at the conduct of the USA as ISRAEL and in conclusion
consider the ending of humanity ( be sad ) but also VERY fortunate
knowing conduct of ISRAEL /USA / in bringing a nuclear destruction.
The good news/ before a end via climate change / the means of one
attaining enlightenment will be clear ( that such done via meditation )
thus a exit plan in place. Such the present times / knowledge grows of
meditation a means in attaining enlightenment (( to be found in ones
turning the senses inward. On PC search put (words of peace) on site
a selection of videos in which Prem Rawat talks /explains of meditation
in one turning the senses inward. In doing bringing an unfolding of the
spiritual self / in clarity of understanding via ones spiritual experience’s
all lifes questions then clearly answered. WHOM AM I ? WHAT BE THE
PURPOSE OF LIFE ?. IS SEX REALY A SIN ?. IS THERE A HEAVEN ?…
Thus it for all not to fret / the power of creation did not creat the universe
create human life // without a plan a purpose // all will be revealed in time
though what be revealed will be out of time // where being there’s no time.
“Move to North Korea so your dictatorship comment will have meaning.”
Dear David Ball
My Tory party rammed the GST down our throats 20 years ago, a few years later the Liberal party rammed the long gun registry down our throats. Dictatorship stands.
CTV newsnet had a debate with a warmist and a skeptic last night. I thought the warmist’s head was going to explode.
It was awesome.
JRR Canada: “Who signed off on behalf of Canada accepting this dreck?”
The United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) was produced at the Rio Earth Summit in 1992. It is a non-binding international treaty which calls for a series of protocols, which are binding. The first and onlyl of these protocols is the Kyoto Protocol of 1998.
Canada signed the UNFCCC at the Rio Conference. It signed the Kyoto Protocol at the Kyoto COP conference in 1998, as did the United States, signing meaning an intention to ratify. Canada ratified the treaty in 2002 by vote in the House of Commons and Senate. The United States has never ratified the treaty, as it has never been tabled for Senate consideration by any of the Clinton, Bush or Obama administrations.
To withdraw from Kyoto,Canada simply needs to pass a resolution in the House of Commons indicating either repeal of the previous resolution or a declaration that the 2002 resolution is now null and void.
And don’t get too excited about the $400 million fund. It’s just CIDA money being restructured as loans instead of grants.
Gary, much worse than that, the old manufacturing tax was a cumulative tax, adding up on every step through production, distribution and retail. The cost of Canadian goods and services dropped considerably with the converstion of the tax into a VAT which only the end purchaser pays.
Canada and every other country that ratified Kyoto and its PENALTIES, …. must withdraw from the Kyoto agreement or face the prospect of actually paying penalties. Canada said years ago it would not meet its Kyoto Targets so it has been a forgone conclusion Canada would withdraw from Kyoto for years. So will all other countries that won’t meet their so called targets. Unless they are suicidal … and some may be.
Klem, you need a larger sampling to prove your point. Two fuzzy examples (and they are debatable), do NOT a dictatorship make. You haven’t travelled much, have you?
Klem, Canada, although not perfect, is one of ( if not THE) most free country in the world. I, and no one that I know of, feels restricted in their lives one bit. If this is a dictatorship, then the word does not mean what I think it means, …….
Shuffling deck chairs on the TITANIC changing the captain
it’s all but meaningless / the ship’s going down /That a Fact.
Canadian people are as brainwashed as American people’s
a situation where long since // govts stopped being servants
of the people // where through appalling / political corruption
a situation that over time reversed unto the present situation
that its the people whom now the servant of their government.
USA govt’s is now a combination of both polititical and military
psychopaths. / It the biggest terrorist organization the world in
having ever known. Having abandoned international law they
are now a law unto themselves / working hand in hand with an
British govt as military whom also abandoned international law
whom also a law unto themselves // in having invaded nations
where set up puppet govts // in the process they slaughtered
many hundreds of thousands of innocent people // being man
woman as child none shown mercy // any trace of compassion.
Canadian govt’s & military / though not upon the same extreme
as the British & American govt’s its military // having also sided
with British & Americans in having committed grave crimes agin
humanity // all but blinded by power & greed /having carried out
grave crime against people of other nations / against people’s
whom having never threatened Canade /or harmed Canadians.
Thus it being Canadian politicians as its military / should also be
brought to account for their parts in criminal act’s agin humanity.
Canada certainly has made a very wise choice and Harper is showing why he is the best Pm in Canadian history. One easy target that they will blame their defection from Kytoto on is the fact that it is simply a wealth distribution treaty and Canada would have owed millions in Carbon tythes if they resigned Kyoto.
Updated: Mon Dec. 05 2011 10:59:15 AM
CTVNews.ca Staff
http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20111205/canada-kyoto-talks-durban-may-calls-for-action-112105/20111205/?hub=MontrealHome
Canada’s federal environment minister has formally announced that Ottawa will withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol by the end of next year.
Speaking in a teleconference, Peter Kent confirmed that Canada will not make a second commitment to the agreement, which would run from 2013 to 2017.
The announcement comes a week after CTV’s Roger Smith first reported that the government was planning to walk away from the Kyoto Protocol, which Jean Chretien’s Liberals signed onto in 1998.
All of the 191 countries participating in Kyoto are required to cut down on their greenhouse gas emissions, a task that Canada has struggled with.
In recent years, the Conservatives have argued that strict emission cuts will hurt the economy.
Kent made his announcement from an international climate change conference in Durban, South Africa, where member countries are meeting to negotiate the second phase of the plan to reduce carbon emissions by 6 per cent below 1990 levels.
Just a week ago, Kent told the House of Commons that he wouldn’t sign a document at the conference that extends the Kyoto targets.
“Canada goes to Durban with a number of countries sharing the same objective, and that is to put Kyoto behind us,” Kent said on Nov. 22.
Kent has criticized the agreement for excluding major emitters among developing nations, including China, India and Brazil.
His stance has drawn the ire of several opposition critics such as the NDP’s Megan Leslie and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May, who is also at the conference.
Earlier on Monday, May called on Canada to reverse its position and support an extension of the 191-country Kyoto climate change agreement, rather than walk away from the protocol.
May told CTV’s Canada AM that the Conservatives should remain in Kyoto and work to improve the agreement if they truly cared about the environment.
“If the goal is to have a global binding treaty to reduce emissions that includes all countries, the mechanism to do that lies in the continuation of the Kyoto Protocol. Kyoto is necessary,” she said.
Most criticism of Kyoto has surrounded the fact the U.S. is not part of the agreement. Some of the world’s largest developing-nation greenhouse gas emitters, such as China and India, are also absent from Kyoto.
The Kyoto Protocol bound 37 industrial countries to limit carbon emissions over a five-year period. Those commitments are set to expire at the end of 2012.
After the accord ends, all countries still party to the deal will be assessed for how well they fared in their pledge to cut emissions by six per cent below 1990 levels.
Canada has since set its own goal of reducing emissions by 17 per cent from 2005 levels, by 2020.
May said Canada’s current negotiations position “puts us in a very bad place indeed in terms of our global reputation,” but said there’s still time to alter Canada’s stance.
“Governments have changed negotiating position in midstream at these conferences,” May said.
“So I urge people who are looking at what Canada is doing and are tempted to give up and say ‘well we don’t expect more,’ to say you should expect more, the government of Canada should represent what Canadians want and 80 per cent of Canadians have been very clear — they want to see reduction targets met.”
May noted that by abandoning Kyoto, Canada is effectively walking away from low-lying island states that are at risk of mass devastation as ocean levels rise due to climate change.
“They are very forceful about the urgency of having a second period negotiated quickly,” May said.
Last week the host country of the climate talks, South Africa, accused Canada of acting in bad faith and suggested that if the nation doesn’t support the goals of Kyoto, it shouldn’t be at the conference in the first place.
Kent has said previously that Canada will not derail the negotiations of those who see a future in the pact.
“We will not obstruct those who want to take a second commitment of Kyoto,” Kent told a news conference Tuesday in Montreal.
“Those who wish to continue with Kyoto can continue with a second commitment to Kyoto. We are going to argue in favour of a new agreement, which will eclipse Kyoto.”
With files from The Canadian Press
Glad to see that the folly of the liberal government of the past was not allowed to continue. I am so happy to be a Canadian today.