33 thoughts on “Climategate 2.0 the sequel – they’re baaaack

  1. Silly question … of course they’ll survive … after all, The Cause is a sacred cause … and there’s plenty of whitewash available to tidy things up.

  2. They needn’t worry about their precious AGW funding.

    First of all, too many people have invested their authority & prestige in AGW
    to ever admit that there wont’ be any future disaster.

    Second, DOD-starvation
    and the slow-motion cancellation of our space program
    will leave plenty of dollars for rent-seeking catastrophists
    to suck up unnoticed in the current fight over trillions.

  3. Nice one Josh!

    Will there be a sequel for Sir Muir Russell too? Wasn’t his team supposed to check if there were more damning emails? Bet he wished he’d done it now.

    http://www.cce-review.org/pdf/FINAL%20REPORT.pdf

    p146

    Recognising that the e-mails improperly released into the public domain represent only a tiny fraction (less than 0.3%) of the e-mails archived by the key individuals in the CRU, the Review team sought to set these in context.

    [cut]

    A decision was reached not to pursue this further on grounds of both time and cost against likely results. The Review had always regarded the e-mails as pointers to areas for detailed investigation and this had been complemented by extensive public requests for submissions and any other information in the public domain. A summary report by the independent forensic analyst has been placed on the Review website. (Really? I couldn’t find it.)

  4. Of course they’ll survive – to a ripe old age.

    “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” – Max Planck

    The AGW True Believers are now the Old Fuddy-Duddies of science. They will continue to receive funding (our money), they will continue to be published (in once-reputable journals), they will continue to give themselves awards and prizes, they will take their beliefs in AGW with them into retirement, and to the grave, regardless of all the evidence presented in the meantime.

    Eventually, a new generation will have grown up never believing in all this nonsense. They will proclaim the “new scientific truth” of natural climate variation.

  5. Almost a decade ago, when I used to write and speak on this subject, I tried to keep to the science, and not to disrespect those parties on the other side of the global warming debate.

    When asked about the apparent motives of the “other side”, I would respectfully decline to comment. In fact, I had no idea what their motives were. I just knew that their scientific assessment of the alleged “global warming crisis” was probably quite wrong.

    I think it is clear now that references by warmist scientists to “THE CAUSE” justifies a more direct assessment:

    Perhaps the terms “global warming cult”, “scientific fraud”, “academic intimidation”, “financial scam” and “criminal conspiracy” are appropriate, based on the evidence.

    Note to Dr. Tim Ball, who is being sued by some warmists for his alleged statements:
    “The TRUTH is an absolute defense against slander and libel.”

  6. Nice one Josh. Like a bad science fiction movie.

    Bt, I think the Team’s funding is now more vulnerable; they are speaking nakedly of performing for their political masters and THE CAUSE .da..da..daaaah…..

  7. In series II we have the following episodes:

    The one where Phil Jones ‘innocently’ tries to avoid FOI requests
    The one where Mike Mann tries do say ‘but they’re all taken out of context’
    The one where Mike Mann tries to explain ‘The Cause’ is scientific not political
    The one where Keith Briffa is told to shut up and accept Mike Mann is right
    The one at the and where they all leave the courtroom laughing and covered in whitewash.

    No different from series I, but hey, it makes great viewing and the popcorn tastes just as good as it ever did

  8. Will they survive? Of course! and no doubt with comfortable pension pots too – whilst I and many others are busy paying through the nose for subsidised electricty etc….
    But put it this way, if I was the leader of the next revolution – I would find a very public wall and invite them to stand alongside it! I’m sure there could be an international lottery to pick the members of the firing squad from the vast number of volunteers too!
    They are Bar stewards – every man(n) jack of ‘em……

  9. CRS, Dr.P.H. says:
    November 22, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    Can’t believe I’m the first responder this time! EXCELLENT work, Josh! Keep up the pressure!!

    Well Dr, I’m a skeptic that you were first.

  10. Of course the AGW scam will continue to thrive as long as there are legions of AGW fanatics unwilling or unable to listen to factual reasons – there is a reason why humanity worshiped hundreds of Gods down through history – and AGW has most certainly taken on a God mentality for those who have the faith.

  11. good one, josh… u might find this just as amusing…

    22 Nov: Reuters: Nina Chestney: “Carbon” becomes dirty word for climate investors
    In a sign of the tough times facing the carbon sector, the Carbon Markets and Investors’ Association last month dropped the word “carbon” from its name.
    The group, which represents more than 50 firms that finance and invest in emissions reduction, is now the Climate Markets and Investors’ Association (CMIA).
    “The new name reflects both the need and potential for the diversification of the role of the private sector in combating climate change,” said Miles Austin, director of the CMIA.
    “We need to explore supplementary routes to drive investments.”
    The VCS Association, which manages a voluntary carbon offset standard, stopped spelling out the word “carbon” in its name last year.
    “We never really thought twice about moving away from the word ‘carbon’,” said VCS Chief Executive David Antonioli.
    “Carbon trading in particular does not have the best reputation so if you want to stay in this space but draw less ire from some quarters it would make sense to use climate instead of carbon.”…
    Just a few years ago, many investors were betting on a $2 trillion global carbon market by 2020…

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/22/us-carbon-climate-idUSTRE7AL1GE20111122

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  12. Inspector Muir Clouseau examines some emails from Climategate II
    Inspector Muir Clouseau – do your unpublished emails bite?
    Acton – non
    Inspector Muir Clouseau – Nice emails.
    Sounds of Muir Clouseau being savaged.
    Inspector Muir Clouseau – I thought you said your emails don’t bite?
    Acton – they’re not my emails.

  13. Interstellar Bill says:
    November 22, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    They needn’t worry about their precious AGW funding.

    First of all, too many people have invested their authority & prestige in AGW
    to ever admit that there wont’ be any future disaster.

    Second, DOD-starvation
    and the slow-motion cancellation of our space program
    will leave plenty of dollars for rent-seeking catastrophists
    to suck up unnoticed in the current fight over trillions.
    —————–
    Trouble is we’re borrowing 43 cents out of every dollar to provide for these scientists.

  14. I’m sorry, is that Mike or Gavin? They look so much the same. But then, so many of these people look the same: Smug and arrogant.

  15. It’s all out in the open now in the Climategate 2 emails. Back in 2009 at least some at the IPCC staff realised there were serious problems with the temperature measurements of the Lower Troposphere. This is fundamental to the AGW case. If the LT does not warm about 1.4 times the rate of the surface, then the models are wrong. When it is actually warming at only about 0.8 times the rate, then carbon dioxide is having no effect whatsoever.

    Thorne/MetO: “Observations do not show rising temperatures throughout the tropical
    troposphere unless you accept one single study and approach and discount a
    wealth of others. This is just downright dangerous. We need to communicate the
    uncertainty and be honest. Phil, hopefully we can find time to discuss these
    further if necessary”

    That was even before this paper was published http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/2/9/2148/pdf confirming it in no uncertain terms.

    If ever there was proof the models are wrong it is in this paper. And, after all, Jones said it: “Basic problem is all models are wrong”

    We can rest our case.

  16. R. Shearer says:
    November 22, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    I always thought cause preceded effect. Now I undertand, the cause is the effect.

    In Postmodern Science The Effect (Climategate 1.0) precedes The Cause (Climategate 2.0)

    It is the re-birth of “In mother Russia” jokes.

  17. #1914 “- I agree with Phil on the solar crowd – basically I think most of them act like nuts -” ….

    “It is virtually a waste of time talking to most of them…………..

    And I am someone who thinks longterm solar variability influences climate!

    Tom”

    Where to start with this one……

  18. Like, most sequels, Climategate 2.0 isn’t as good as the original. That made major rents in the veil of secrecy around the team and provided confirmation of things suspected. The sequel looks like it will only be providing a few more peaks at several topics. Worthwhile enough, and certainly worth a bag or two of popcorn.

  19. chuck nolan says:
    November 22, 2011 at 4:08 pm

    Interstellar Bill says:
    November 22, 2011 at 2:44 pm
    They needn’t worry about their precious AGW funding.

    First of all, too many people have invested their authority & prestige in AGW
    to ever admit that there wont’ be any future disaster.

    Second, DOD-starvation
    and the slow-motion cancellation of our space program
    will leave plenty of dollars for rent-seeking catastrophists
    to suck up unnoticed in the current fight over trillions.
    —————–
    Trouble is we’re borrowing 43 cents out of every dollar to provide for these scientists.

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    We are actually borrowing the 43 cents from our children, but what’s the problem. Our grandchildren and great grandchildren can pay them back….. /sarc off….. sorry, no, that’s probably true

    This is the true problem with spending billions on something that doesn’t warrant it.

    steve T

  20. If we want a movie…. how about Phil Jones playing the part of Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke. Muir could play the Captain.

    Whack….
    What we’ve got here….. is… failure to communicate (all the FOIA emails)

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