Green Blob Tells Government to Spend £30 Billion on Machine to Remove CO2 From the Air

From THE DAILY SCEPTIC

by Ben Pile

A story in the Telegraph last week featured a report by Energy Systems Catapult (ESC) which recommended the Government commit to a £30 billion project to pull CO2 from the air. According to the report, Direct Air Carbon Capture and Storage (DACCS) machines sited across the east coast could separate the greenhouse gas from air and pump it to underground storage facilities, thereby helping the U.K. to meet its ambitious 2050 Net Zero target. Not only is this extraordinarily expensive idea pointless in itself, it exposes the equally pointless and expensive constellation of publicly-funded lobbying organisations.

According to ESC, “carbon capture in its various forms is a critical component of a low-cost energy transition”, and “without it, at scale, we risk non-compliance with our Net Zero requirement”. And here is the thing that would, were such things subject to public debate, cause millions of people to scratch their heads. So what if the U.K. does not comply with its Government’s self-imposed target? What is the ‘risk’? And why should the public fork out billions of pounds merely for a daft machine that serves no function other than help a Government achieve its ambition that nobody else really cares about? 

Madder still, the ESC admits that DACCS “remains unproven at scale”. This raises two important problems.

First, if something has yet to be proven at such a gigantic scale, any estimate of its cost is both for the birds and in all probability, like all Government-backed projects such as HS2 and wind power, will exceed those estimates. Government vanity project HS2, for example, originally had a similar estimated cost of £37.5 billion in 2009 prices. But by 2020, estimates put the cost well north of £100 billion.

Second, it shows yet again that no government, no political party, no MP or peer, no think tank or its wonks, no academic at a lofty research outfit, no green lobbyist or campaigner, and no journalist has any idea how Net Zero will be achieved, but nonetheless nearly all of them fought for such targets to be imposed on us. 

It is a problem known as putting the cart before the horse. And it is a characteristic of all climate-related policies that they are driven by ambition, not reality. Not even ESC can explain what DACCS is, how it will work or how much it will cost. All they really know is that it will be required to remove 48 million tonnes of CO2 from the air each year from 2050 – approximately a tenth of the U.K.’s current domestic annual emissions. 

Vanity and intransigence drives this irrational push for solutions to non-problems. Air capture of CO2 serves no useful purpose whatsoever. It won’t make a dent in atmospheric CO2 concentration. It won’t change the weather. It won’t make anyone’s life better. And it won’t stand up to any meaningful cost-benefit analysis. £30 billion, roughly equivalent to £500 per head of the population, could do vastly more good were it to be spent in countless other ways, from healthcare through to addressing genuine environmental issues such as water quality. Of course, not spending the money on such contraptions would likely do more good by leaving that much money in people’s pockets to spend how they see fit. 

The Telegraph spots the problem. DACCS plants “would need to be powered by wind, nuclear or solar energy so as not to generate as much CO2 as they save”. A fleet of green generators would be working to power the DACCS plants, merely to hit targets. Recent studies show that existing DACCS technology is extremely inefficient, requiring a whopping 2,500 kilowatt hours to isolate just one tonne of CO2. To extract 48 million tonnes of CO2 would therefore require power stations with a capacity of 14 gigawatts – that’s more than four times the capacity of Hinkley Point C. That nuclear power station itself, dubbed at the time “the most expensive power station in the world”, was initially estimated to cost £26 billion but more recent estimates are putting the cost closer to £46 billion. Thus the cost of a widespread DACCS project – with batteries included – is likely to be in the order of seven times greater than ECS claim. And we have not yet even considered the operating cost.

All this puts me in mind of those fun little clips of devices whose only function is to press a switch to turn themselves off. On Youtube, electronics hobbyists compete to build the most impressive ‘useless machine’. Here is one such contender.

But the problem of useless machinery goes far beyond the device itself. Not unlike white elephants such as wind turbines, Energy Systems Catapult is a strange outfit summoned up out of the blobbish technocracy required by the green agenda. ECS is part of an umbrella group of government-backed private companies called the Catapult Network, which itself seems to be part of Innovate U.K., which in turn is part of UK Research and Innovation – the successor public funding body to the erstwhile research councils. ESC and its sister organisations each benefit from millions of pounds of public funding, topped up by opaque philanthropic funding (i.e., green blob organisations), which as ESC claims, allows them to “support Central and Devolved Governments with the evidence, insights and innovations to incentivise Net Zero action”. 

The problem at its core is that publicly-funded organisations, though set up as ‘independent’ bodies run at arms-length from Government, are nonetheless wholly committed to political agendas. Seemingly intended to ‘drive prosperity’ through R&D, such a constellation of opaque agencies are tantamount to the Government picking ‘winners’, who invariably turn out to be abject losers, at vast public expense. There are no consequences for such wonks spaffing hundreds of millions of pounds of taxpayers money on pilots that come to nought, or glossy reports that might just as well be case studies from Narnia. Criticism of ideas such as CO2 capture is excluded from academia and business because even if any critics were not already disinclined to apply for roles within the network, and were then not rejected for their obvious hostility to the dominant political culture of such bullshit factories, their politically inconvenient work would soon be shelved. 

In other words, the green agenda has produced a useless machine whose only function is to produce designs for useless machines. The parent idea of DACCS, Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS), in which CO2 is taken from power stations, compressed and then stuffed under the sea, was an idea that attracted attention following the Climate Change Act. But despite the government offering a billion pounds in funding competitions to prove the concept, the project failed and today remains economically unproven. The even crazier idea of pulling CO2 – which is still a trace gas at just 400 parts per million – from the air and then burying it underground faces a similar future. Meanwhile, the U.K.’s climate agenda will run on, as usual, built on extremely expensive pie-in-the-sky fantasies. Nobody has any idea how to achieve Net Zero without destroying ourselves.

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May 5, 2024 10:51 pm

Insanity

Bryan A
Reply to  Steve Case
May 6, 2024 5:32 am

CCS should be CCC
Instead of Carbon Capture and Storage (storage eventually leads to leaks) they should be looking at Carbon Capture and Conversion. Making truly artificial trees that scrub CO2, through a water supply convert the CO2 into Carbohydrates and O2 and release the Oxygen back into the environment. Of course Fruit Trees do the same thing AND give us food in the process. But as long as they’re going for pie in the sky solutions Artificial Trees would be better than finding places to store it, especially when trees store it best.

KevinM
Reply to  Bryan A
May 6, 2024 5:25 pm

Direct conversion carbon dioxide to hamburgers? Yes!

Bryan A
Reply to  KevinM
May 6, 2024 6:48 pm

At least into sugar anyway

Reply to  Bryan A
May 9, 2024 3:53 pm

Thanks for that, sequestering CO2 also sequesters Oxygen. Why would anyone want to do that? That’s going to be my top reason for claiming geo-engineering is entirely without merit.

Russell Cook
Reply to  Steve Case
May 6, 2024 9:11 am

Dr Sherwood Idso proved long ago that more CO2 is good for trees. Commercial greenhouse growers use CO2 generators to pump it into their buildings to enable their plants, tree saplings and other flora to thrive. The “People for the Ethical Treatment of Plant Life” might protest such an experiment, but I wonder if somebody has done the reverse process of Dr Idso’s, to show what happens to plants when you remove CO2 from their intake.

Reply to  Russell Cook
May 6, 2024 12:55 pm

Below 150 ppm of CO2 land plants die and take the animals down with them.

In the last glacial period about 12,000 years ago the CO2 level reached 180 ppm, only 30 ppm above the extinction level. https://pioga.org/just-the-facts-more-co2-is-good-less-is-bad/

The next glacial period may start at any time. The Grand Solar Minimum which has just started and its forecast of 1C in cooling may be the trigger.

May 5, 2024 11:05 pm

I say let those who “believe” all the anti-CO2 nonsense put THEIR money into these moronic contraptions.

Do not ask governments to waste OUR money.

Whatever CO2 they take out will rebalance itself from China, India and nature almost immediately.

It is an absolute money sink… let them waste THEIR money !.

But we know they WON’T….. because they don’t really “believe”

They know it is all a CON and a SCAM.

And we know that they know it is all a CON and a SCAM.

And they know that we know that they know it is all a CON and a SCAM.

In the global scheme of CO2.. the UK is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT !!

Reply to  bnice2000
May 6, 2024 9:59 am

Do not ask governments to waste OUR money.

Heresy! If we managed to stop the UK government wasting our money, why, there’d be hardly any government at all! Just think of all those Whitehall types, they’d have to queue up at the local Job Centre for work as brickies or Amazon delivery drivers. Oh the horror!

Reply to  bnice2000
May 6, 2024 12:57 pm

The oceans which hold about 70 times the CO2 as the air will just replace any CO2 removed since they are in equilibrium with the air.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 6, 2024 6:53 pm

Not true, because as soon as a molecule of CO2 enters the ocean, it combines with NaCl, salt, to form many compounds that contain C, O2, H2, Cl.

These compounds sustain flora and fauna in the oceans.

The only “free” CO2 is right at the surface, which is a minuscule quantity.

Bryan A
Reply to  bnice2000
May 6, 2024 1:23 pm

Whatever CO2 they take out will rebalance itself from China, India and nature almost immediately

More likely what ever CO2 they go to the expense of scrubbing this year will be replaced by China Tomorrow and daily thereafter

KevinM
Reply to  bnice2000
May 6, 2024 5:32 pm

“The UK government’s budget for the 2023-24 financial year is expected to be £1,189 billion, which is more than the government has raised in taxes since 2001-02. This creates a budget deficit of £131 billion, which is 5.1% of GDP and the UK’s fifteenth largest since 1948.”

USA runs a budget deficit of around $1.3Trillion per year, so borrows more than UK spends total. Lets fix here first

MarkH
May 5, 2024 11:10 pm

Anyone attempting to remove CO2 from the atmosphere, or to reduce the amount of Solar radiation reaching Earth should be charged with crimes against life itself. CO2 is perilously close to the critical minimum before photosynthesis ceases to be effective, that seems to be where they want it to go, to a point where life on Earth would no longer be sustainable. What utter madness.

Reply to  MarkH
May 6, 2024 12:59 pm

Attempted murder seems like a reasonable criminal charge.

Reply to  MarkH
May 6, 2024 6:57 pm

It is malfeasance and a high crime against the work of our Creator
Adoration of the golden calf dates back towards the time of Moses.

UK-Weather Lass
May 6, 2024 12:19 am

The public record of the carbon dioxide warming scam doesn’t lie. What a complete and utter mess we have made with wind and solar. And when the cleanup of that mess comes who is going to pay for it? It may shut the greens up for the rest of their lives.

Want the stupidity to stop? Want it to stop now and for sanity to be restored to our societies? Then demand all the mercenaries, greens, climate alarmists, alternative energy fanatics and their backers and sponsors stop telling us lies and start telling the truth or we will start to replace them all with true and competent professionals who don’t believe that telling lies to or scaring people for its own sake helps anybody.

Reply to  UK-Weather Lass
May 6, 2024 12:45 am

So where are you going to find all these true and competent professionals? Almost all the youngsters now starting their “working” careers have already been brainwashed into accepting the scam and folk who are already on the ladder and have families and mortgages are too scared to say anything in case they are treated like Peter Ridd or Susan Crockford.

Chris Hanley
May 6, 2024 1:07 am

The Telegraph spots the problem. DACCS plants “would need to be powered by wind, nuclear or solar energy so as not to generate as much CO2 as they save
All this puts me in mind of those fun little clips of devices whose only function is to press a switch to turn themselves off
Reminiscent of this cartoon from The New Yorker Magazine about 15 years ago.

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Reminiscent of this cartoon from The New Yorker Magazine about 15 years ago.
Incidentally 2007 – 2021 the annual CO2 emissions from the UK reduced from 561,000 KT to 335,000 KT while during the same period the annual CO2 emissions from China increased from 7,670,000 KT to 12,466,000 KT or put another way China wiped out the entire UK 2007 -2021 reduction in one year 2007 – 2008 (Trading Economics).

strativarius
May 6, 2024 1:32 am

What a load of bolleaux

Still, this daft idea is only £30 billion….

strativarius
May 6, 2024 1:41 am

The end is nigh

“…humanity’s end could come in as little as 250 million years if climate change continues the way it has. “.
https://apple.news/AXNI5CAELSGCWDMxKsAUDlA

Sean Galbally
May 6, 2024 2:12 am

If we remove CO2 from the atmosphere all life will die. Is that what the Green Blob wants?

strativarius
Reply to  Sean Galbally
May 6, 2024 4:28 am

In a nutshell

Dave Andrews
Reply to  strativarius
May 6, 2024 8:49 am

I thought they only wanted to get rid of the people not all life on Earth!

Rahx360
May 6, 2024 2:12 am

They wanted a pilot project to store CO2 in Nord Sea and ofcourse they need billions of subsidies. To capture the CO2 from 2 gas powerplants there need to be a third gas powerplant for energy. In the end you hardly safe CO2.
I’ve been saying from the beginning that CCS is useless and add zero value. There was a time when we were wealthy and produced goods. We shipped those jobs away and got a sevice economy in return. Jobs that add little real value. I don’t have enough money to actual use services, I need goods. But now we’re going to replace service jobs with absolute useless jobs that add zero to our economy. Yes there’s money to be made with CO2 credits, which is literal trade in air. So we went from high value jobs (manufacturing) to low value jobs (service) to no value jobs (CCS and other green fantasies). No wonder we’re running historical debt.

Why is everything so expensive? In China and Russia they build bridges, roads, metros and nuclear power plants but we can’t. How can one nuclear power plant cost 50 billion?

Reply to  Rahx360
May 6, 2024 4:55 am

Nah, they are going to use offshore wind turbines to provide power to the CO2-removal contraption, and if too little or too much wind, the power plants on the $1.5 billion oil/gas rigs will help out.
Where in hell will they put the CO2? Pipe it to shore?
See my below comment.

Reply to  Rahx360
May 6, 2024 3:06 pm

Much of the existing money trough is crowded. Especially the large cronies have extensive reserved space. This plan creates a new spur line for some who don’t already have a place at the table. 30 billion, which will surely grow to a few hundred billion if it ever gets moving, is enough to ensure a comfortable retirement for a batch of parasites who don’t presently see a way to game the existing system for themselves.

Reply to  Rahx360
May 7, 2024 5:55 am

Chinese bridges have a habit of falling down – there’s a reason they are cheap

May 6, 2024 2:36 am

Another hare-brained scheme of the self-serving, elitist cabal to enrich themselves, at the expense of all others.
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Wind/solar/batteries/hydrogen/EVs/air source heat pumps, etc., are a financial scam to enrich world elites, who will continue to fly their planes and sail their yachts
No command/control, choking restrictions off any kind on them!!
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That scam was, more or less, implemented, because the IPCC, and associated perpetrators, concocted a global warming hoax, based on CO2 and fossil fuels being the villains, whereas CO2 greens the earth, creates flora and fauna, including us, and increases crop yields per acre, and reduces desert areas.
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We need more CO2, as proven by plant growth in greenhouses with 1000 to 1200 ppm CO2
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These elitists want to add it to their wind/solar/batteries/ EVs/air source heat pump scheme that is impoverishing the EU, especially the UK and Germany.
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They want to impose all of their no-fossil-fuel misery on their rules-based world to the glory of the Golden Billion in Eden.
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BRICS, with 11 members and 20 applicants, including China, India, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, etc., would disagree regarding ending fossil fuels. 
In fact, they think it is a Western, rules-based, insanity, to impoverish them.

Excerpt:
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/hunga-tonga-volcanic-eruption
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/natural-forces-cause-periodic-global-warming

Important Role of CO2 for Flora and Fauna Growth
Plants require require at least 1000 to 1200 ppm of CO2, as proven in greenhouses
Many plants have become extinct, along with the fauna they supported, due to a lack of CO2
As a result, many areas of the world became arid and deserts.
The current CO2 needs to at least double or triple
Earth temperature increased about 1.2 C since 1900, which is due to many causes, such as fossil CO2, flora CO2, and permafrost methane which converts to CO2.
CO2 emissions of fossil fuels are a blessing.
CO2 has increased from about 296 ppm in 1900 to 423 ppm at end 2023. It:
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1) Increased world greening by at least 10 to 15%, as measured by satellites since 1979.
2) Increased world fauna
3) Increased crop yields per acre.
4) Reduced desert areas
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https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/new-study-2001-2020-global-greening-is-an-indisputable-fact-and
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/co2-is-a-life-gas-no-co2-no-life
https://www.windtaskforce.org/profiles/blogs/co2-is-not-pollution-it-s-the-currency-of-life
Benefits of CO2
https://issuu.com/johna.shanahan/docs/co2_pitch_4-3-24_baeuerle_english
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Oceans Absorb CO2
CO2 molecules continuously move from the air into sea water, in accordance with Henry’s Law
The sea water contains 3% salt, NaCl, by weight.
The CO2 continuously combines with salt to form numerous Ca, Cl, O2 and H2 compounds that support ocean flora and fauna.
As a result, the oceans are the major sink of CO2 from human and natural sources in the TS.
At least 80% of new CO2 in the TS, human and natural, is added to the oceans 

Reply to  wilpost
May 6, 2024 1:08 pm

Over the last 100 years, the solar energy the Earth receives from the Sun has been at its highest level of any time in the past 400 years.
https://lasp.colorado.edu/lisird/data/historical_tsi

That is probably responsible for the needed warming. The Earth is still in a 2.5 million-year ice age with 90 percent of the fresh water in ice caps and glaciers.
https://www.britannica.com/science/Quaternary

May 6, 2024 2:38 am

Just how much energy will that decarbonization machine need per unit of CO2?

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 6, 2024 4:59 am

They will never tell anybody about capital cost and $cost/kg of CO2 removed

oeman50
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 6, 2024 5:04 am

Excellent question. And where does this energy come from? Unless it is all “renewable,” it will result in a reduction of the amount of CO2 removed, a self defeating technology.

Reply to  oeman50
May 6, 2024 5:14 am

Even if it is all renewable- ’cause all renewable energy has some carbon footprint too. Much more than the renewablistas want to admit. (just coined new word 🙂 )

Old.George
May 6, 2024 4:35 am

Why would the “green” agenda want to remove the food that makes the green stuff green?

Reply to  Old.George
May 6, 2024 5:16 am

I dunno- starting to think the greens are Satanists. Sure, that sounds crazy- but they’re going to ruin everything and cause a lot of suffering and death- so maybe it’s not crazy.

guidvce4
May 6, 2024 4:55 am

Oh, crap. Another report of how the faux environmentalists/climate cult/gaia loving idiots want to save the planet, which doesn’t need saving via any extraordinary use of common sense and logical thinking. Of which there is short supply of both on the left. What I really detest is the freakin’ calliope music playing every damn time I see an article re: the “green blob” et al and how they think they know anything about saving planets or anything else.
Somebody needs to turn off the attention to the nutjobs calling for less CO2 and reopen the asylums for their habitation. Just sayin’.

Reply to  guidvce4
May 6, 2024 5:17 am

Well, Trump wants to kick out millions of illegals- maybe he’ll follow your advice too.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
May 6, 2024 1:11 pm

The US birth rate has been declining for years and businesses need workers who will do the dangerous, dirty and degrading jobs.

George Thompson
May 6, 2024 5:00 am

I was hoping that we-the US-could send you our green wackies and such Democrats as possible. I see however that you don’t need them because your crazies are possibly nuttier than ours. Pity.

J Boles
May 6, 2024 5:20 am

Think about how much C02 would be made building such a machine, insane.

Gator
May 6, 2024 5:55 am

£30B = [carbon mitigated] – [CO2 life of product cost] vs planting 300B small trees?

May 6, 2024 6:27 am

Big cathedrals visible for miles are standard elements of religious movements….sense of awe, shows the tithes are put to miraculous use….all that…
The worship cult of nuclear power failed with TMI, Chernobyl, and Fukushima…at least if these CO2 suckers don’t work, nobody will notice….

The Expulsive
May 6, 2024 6:45 am

It’s like carbon capture that was promised to solve all ills at oil extraction sites. The oil companies announce that i\t will be done, but first they have to figure out how. One oil company recently announced it was not going to even try (cheaper to pay (so called) carbon taxes)

SteveZ56
May 6, 2024 7:38 am

{QUOTE FROM ARTICLE]”The Telegraph spots the problem. DACCS plants “would need to be powered by wind, nuclear or solar energy so as not to generate as much CO2 as they save”. A fleet of green generators would be working to power the DACCS plants, merely to hit targets. Recent studies show that existing DACCS technology is extremely inefficient, requiring a whopping 2,500 kilowatt hours to isolate just one tonne of CO2.”

Math is hard for some of these dreamers, but it’s well worth the effort. If 2,500 kWh of energy is required to “isolate just one tonne of CO2”, this is a total energy expenditure of

2,500 kWh * 1,000 J/s-kW * 3,600 s/hr = 9(10^9) Joules / tonne CO2.

If this energy was generated by a combined-cycle natural gas plant at 65% efficiency, then the heat of combustion of the gas to be burned would be

9(10^9) J / 0.65 = 1.385(10^10) Joules

If natural gas is assumed to be pure methane, which has a heat of combustion of 5.001(10^7) J/kg, the mass of methane to be burned would be

1.385(10^10) / 5.001(10^7) = 276.9 kg.

From the stoichiometry of the reaction, the combustion of 16.03 kg of methane produces 44.01 kg of CO2, so that the CO2 emitted by the power plant to produce the 9 GJ of power would be

276.9 * 44.01 / 16.03 = 760.2 kg.

This means that for each tonne of CO2 removed from the atmosphere by a DACCS plant, 0.76 tonne is re-emitted by the power plant used to generate the required compression power, so that a plan to remove 48 million tonnes per year would really remove a net 48 * (1 – 0.7602) = 11.51 million tonnes.

This would require a total generation rate of 48(10^6) tonnes/year * 2,500 kWh/tonne = 1.2(10^11) kWh / year. Assuming continuous operation for 8,760 hours per year results in a generation rate of 1.2(10^11) kWh/yr / 8760 hr/yr = 1.37(10^7) kW = 13.7 gigawatts.

Couldn’t such a huge amount of power be put to better use in people’s homes or industry, rather than wasting it trying to remove some 2.5% of the UK’s CO2 emissions?

Reply to  SteveZ56
May 6, 2024 1:14 pm

it is still so cold that outside of the Tropics nobody can live there without shelter from the cold of some type most of the year.

Reply to  SteveZ56
May 6, 2024 7:17 pm

Great numbers.

It looks like a high-cost, inefficient, impoverishing, perpetual waste system; the mother of all follies

Why mess with gas, if we have all that wind and solar energy, for free?

May 6, 2024 8:10 am

From the above article:

“All they really know is that it will be required to remove 48 million tonnes of CO2 from the air each year from 2050 – approximately a tenth of the U.K.’s current domestic annual emissions. 

Vanity and intransigence drives this irrational push for solutions to non-problems. Air capture of CO2 serves no useful purpose whatsoever. It won’t make a dent in atmospheric CO2 concentration.”

So, lets make a very rough quantitative estimate of that theoretical CO2 capture and sequestration impact:

The total mean mass of Earth’s atmosphere is estimated to be 5.15×10^18 kg (it varies slightly with variable water vapor, aka TPW). Thus, at the current atmospheric CO2 concentration level of 420 ppmv (equivalent to about 640 ppmw), there are about 3.3×10^15 kg of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Removing 48 million tonnes (=4.8×10^10 kg) in one year would be equivalent to a reduction of 0.0015 percent.

So, with 100 years of non-stop operation, the proposed DACCS machines would reduce atmospheric CO2 levels by only 0.15%, and that assumes there is no more CO2 being added to the atmosphere over that time period.

So, yes, the proposed DACCS won’t “make a dent” in any conceivable way in atmospheric CO2 levels.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
May 6, 2024 1:16 pm

Also, the oceans have around 70 times as much CO2 as the air and will just replace whatever is removed since they are in equilibrium.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
May 6, 2024 7:21 pm

We better send an overnight fedex letter to those clairvoyants, before they seriously bankrupt us.

Sparta Nova 4
May 6, 2024 8:28 am

How long until the underground storage is filled?
Does not seem a permanent solution just based on limited storage.

Sparta Nova 4
May 6, 2024 8:33 am

You want a truly renewable and reliable energy source?
MIT came up with a system, similar to photosynthesis, that processes CO2 using sunlight to create methane.
Upscale this. Burn the methane for electricity. Capture and recycle the CO2.
Unknown are the economics of such a solution. But it fiscally viable, a win-win.
We can then ship coal to energy starved countries, help them bring online those systems and the world is a better place.

Oh, dear. That’s my alarm clock. Time to wake up. Making the world a better place is such a nice dream.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
May 6, 2024 9:40 am

“MIT came up with a system, similar to photosynthesis, that processes CO2 using sunlight to create methane.”

Really? . . . does that deserve a “WOW” accolade???

Referencing the old proverb: “There’s nothing new under the sun”:

“Carbon-fixing microorganisms such as microalgae and cyanobacteria are able to sequester carbon dioxide from the atmosphere in order to increase their biomass and utilize this to generate biofuels. This is done through several different mechanisms, the most common being through metabolic activities. Different microorganisms possess varying carbon sequestration rates.

“Research has discovered six main pathways used by microorganisms to fix and utilize carbon dioxide for metabolic purposes, these can occur in aerobic and anaerobic conditions . . .
Another established pathway is the reductive acetylCoA pathway that occurs in anaerobic bacteria such as Euryarchaeota and proteobacteria. This pathway produces methane and acetic acid from carbon dioxide. The key enzymes include Formate dehydrogenase and Carbon monoxide dehydrogenase.”

source of the above quoted text: https://www.news-medical.net/life-sciences/Using-Microorganisms-to-Turn-CO2-into-Fuel.aspx
(my bold emphasis added)

Dave Andrews
May 6, 2024 8:42 am

Even the IEA itself almost admits that these kind of carbon capture, utilisation and storage schemes are pie in the sky

“For all CCUS applications, economic viability remains a significant hurdle as costs can be prohibitively high compared to unabated technologies. In addition long lead times for project development and implementation can further impede progress, particularly related to CO2 storage development.

IEA ‘CCUS Policies and Business Models:building a commercial market’ (Oct 2023)

ferdberple
May 6, 2024 9:08 am

Nitrogen reacts with water to produce heat with nitric acid as a waste product.

Luckily no catalyst has been found to overcome the activation energy.

Otherwise this would be the solution to getting rid of fossil fuels. Burn nitrogen as a fuel source.

Reply to  ferdberple
May 6, 2024 9:51 am

“Nitrogen reacts with water to produce heat with nitric acid as a waste product.”

That is ABSURD, assuming it’s meant to apply to normal conditions of Earth. If it were true, all freshwater lakes and rivers, as well as Earth’s oceans would have very high concentrations of nitric acid . . . which clearly they do NOT have.

As to a “catalyst” enabling such a reaction, you might as well be referring to the “philosopher’s stone”, a mythical substance that could be used to turn base metals (such as lead) into gold.

ferdberple
May 6, 2024 9:11 am

$ 50 billion to build a tree.

Reply to  ferdberple
May 6, 2024 9:54 am

Trees DO NOT offer long term sequestration of CO2.

That is, unless one wants to assert such trees are destined, on tens-of-millions-of-years timescales, to be be converted into coal or petroleum.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
May 6, 2024 1:21 pm

There is a great amount of CO2 renewably sequestered in trees and other plants and in animals that have eaten the plants.

Reply to  scvblwxq
May 6, 2024 3:03 pm

You imply 100-200 years is “long term sequestration”?

Nik
May 6, 2024 9:46 am

OK. Spend 20B Pounds (of other peoples’ money) to remove some miniscule % of CO2 from the atmosphere, and preen before the crowds and your peers who, like you, are also non-producers suckling off the government big-breast. Then, even if the scheme works (an Everest-size “if”), whatcha gonna do when crop yields drop for lack of CO2 (driving higher food prices) and forests decline (taking shade with them, too), and owners demand compensation for their losses? Etc., etc., etc., as Yule Brenner would say.

ResourceGuy
May 6, 2024 11:34 am

I just hope the brave Ukrainians are not seeing this.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
May 6, 2024 7:22 pm

With the internet, everyone is seeing this, even the NSA

Bob
May 6, 2024 12:39 pm

Very nice Ben. The green blob can go to hell. The best way to deal with the Net Zero requirement is to remove it. Net Zero is a meaningless term that can mean anything. It is merely a pathway for CAGW crazies to milk money from the government and to twist government’s arm to force the rest of us to do insane things.

May 6, 2024 2:12 pm

Nobody has any idea how to achieve Net Zero without destroying ourselves

Ben – where did you get the idea that “not destroying ourselves” was part of the Net Zero Plan?

May 6, 2024 4:48 pm

Irony, thy name is:

£30 billion project

low-cost energy transition

KevinM
May 6, 2024 5:24 pm

If UK builds it should some other country air strike it when nobody is nearby to get hurt? It sounds dangerous.

Reply to  KevinM
May 6, 2024 7:26 pm

lobotomies of the U.K. Parliament would partially remedy the derangement disease

Michael S. Kelly
May 7, 2024 2:02 pm

There was an X-PRIZE of $100 million for atmospheric CO2 removal. Elon Musk put up the money for it – it was the biggest prize in history, as far as I know. I have a fully-developed means of accomplishing the prize requirements, but as much as I could use $100 million, I don’t think anyone should be removing CO2 from the atmosphere other than by plant respiration.

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