Why are we so bad at long range weather forecasting?

By WUWT regular “justthefacts”

In researching the use of tidal forces in long range weather forecasting, I came across an interesting August 30th, 2010 Associated Press/ MSNBC article based on interviews with Farmer’s Almanac Editors Sandi Duncan and Peter Geiger, and Ed O’Lenic from NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center:

“Good news, winter haters: After record snowfall in the mid-Atlantic and unusually cold weather down South, the Farmers’ Almanac is predicting a “kinder and gentler” winter.

After eyeing the skies, tidal action and sunspots, the folks at the 194-year-old publication say in their 2011 edition going on sale Monday that it’ll be cold but nothing like last winter, when 49 states saw snow and it got so cold in Florida that iguanas fell out of trees.

“Overall, it looks like it’s going to be a kinder and gentler winter, especially in the areas that had a rough winter last year,” said managing editor Sandi Duncan.”

“The Farmers’ Almanac, which claims 80 to 85 percent accuracy and says it correctly forecast heavy snow in Middle Atlantic states last winter, bases its predictions on a secret mathematical formula using the position of the planets, tidal action of the moon and sunspots.

Ed O’Lenic from NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center said the scientific community doesn’t accept tides, planetary alignment and sunspots as effective predictors of temperature or precipitation, but he stopped short of calling the almanac’s meteorological methods a bunch of hooey.

“In science you have to have an open mind. Someday, someone could conceivably find some scintilla of evidence that it’s useful,” O’Lenic, chief of the operations branch, said of the almanac’s methodology. “For the time being, we have to stick with what produces results for us.”

“For the record, NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center anticipates a warmer-than-normal winter for the mid-Atlantic and Southeast and colder-than-normal weather in the Northwest. That puts it at odds with the almanac, which calls for mild temperatures in the Northwest and cold in the Southeast.”

Here’s the October 21, 2010 Winter Outlook from NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center:

“The Pacific Northwest should brace for a colder and wetter than average winter, while most of the South and Southeast will be warmer and drier than average through February 2011, according to the annual Winter Outlook released today by NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center.”

“Northeast and Mid-Atlantic: equal chances for above-, near-, or below-normal temperatures and precipitation. Winter weather for these regions is often driven not by La Niña but by weather patterns over the northern Atlantic Ocean and Arctic. These are often more short-term, and are generally predictable only a week or so in advance. If enough cold air and moisture are in place, areas north of the Ohio Valley and into the Northeast could see above-average snow”

“Florida: drier than average, with an equal chance for above-, near-, or below-normal temperatures.”

“Central U.S.: equal chances of above-near-or below normal temperatures and precipitation”

Here’s Accuweather’s September 8, 2010 forecast:

“Wintry Battle Zone But No Snowmageddon

In general, the East Coast will be granted a reprieve from the tremendous snowfall that caused 2009-2010’s winter to be dubbed “snowmageddon.”

This does not mean a free pass for the Northeast. Bastardi predicts late November and December could get winter off to a fast start in the East, with a major thaw coming for much of the country in January.

Bastardi makes the early cold connection between this year’s active hurricane season and his winter forecast.

He said that years that see significant landfall, such as 1995, 2008 and 2005, usually also have cold for much of the eastern and central portions of the nation in December.

He said this year from the central Rockies to the Northeast a higher variance of temperatures will be present – “greater-than-normal swings between winter’s coldest and warmest days.” The conflicting warm and cold air masses contributing to these temperature fluctuations have placed this area into what Bastardi calls the “Wintry Battle Zone.”

Despite the wild swings in temperatures, cities like New York, Philadelphia and Washington, D.C., will still have near-normal snowfall. To put this in perspective, New York City receives an average of 28.4 inches of snowfall during winter.”

Here is the Old Farmer’s Almanac Atlantic Corridor Annual Weather Summary :

“Winter will be colder and drier than normal, on average, with below-normal snowfall in New England and above-normal snowfall elsewhere. The coldest periods will be in mid-December, January, and mid-February. The snowiest periods will be in early January and mid- and late February.”

Hmmm, “with below-normal snowfall in New England”. According to this January 28, 2011 Boston Globe article January 28, 2011 Boston Globe article “In Somerville, New England’s most densely populated city, some snowbanks are so tall that they deflect the plume of snow cleared by plow trucks and send it sliding back down to the street, said Michael Meehan, a city spokesman. Between storms, crews have been trying to clear snow piles and dump them on basketball courts, while the real estate trust planning a 50-acre redevelopment at Assembly Square has offered the city private land for use as a snow farm.”

In terms of The Old Farmer’s Almanac forecast that “The coldest periods will be in mid-December, January, and mid-February.” here are Weekly Mean Temperatures for the Northeast:

Week-Ending | Mean Temperature | Anomaly

20101204 | 33.76 | 0.90

20101211 | 26.15 | -4.02

20101218 | 23.80 | -4.01

20101225 | 22.68 | -3.12

20110101 | 24.45 | 0.35

20110108 | 24.73 | 2.00

20110115 | 22.28 | 0.37

20110122 | 20.86 | -0.54

20110129 | 19.89 | -1.64

20110205 | 19.93 | -2.15

20110212 | 20.84 | -2.22

20110219 | 25.70 | 1.20

20110226 | 26.21 | -0.20

20110305 | 28.28 | -0.41

Source: National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – National Climatic Data Center (NCDC):

I guess that you could call December 5th – 25th “mid-December”, but the first half of January had the warmest anomaly of an otherwise freezing winter and “mid-February” i.e. Feb 13th – 19th, was actually the only positive anomaly in the month of February.

Here are all of the Old Farmer’s Almanac Regional Annual Weather Summaries:

Note that you can verify the veracity, or lack thereof, of many of the weather predictions on the new WUWT US Weather History Reference Page:

And let us not forget about the UK MET Office who are apparently still trying to figure out what their forecast was, or at least what they renamed it and where they buried it on their website;

http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/met-office-document-shows-it-only-renamed-its-seasonal-forecasts/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/11/the-plot-thickens-bbc-hits-uk-govt-with-freedom-of-information-demand-in-cold-winter-forecast-fiasco/

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/04/the-met-office-bullhockey/

but, according to this October 28th, 2010 article in the Telegraph;

“Although the Met Office no longer issues long-term forecasts, their latest data suggest a high probability of a warmer winter for London, the East of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

The South West, Wales and most of the North of England are less likely to enjoy such relatively pleasant temperatures but still have a 40 to 60 percent chance of being mild.

The statistics were generated by the Met Office’s new £33million supercomputer built by IBM.

Forecasters used it to analyse how likely temperatures and rainfall were to be above normal for winter but not how far above.

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The average temperature for winter from 1971 to 2000 is 3.7C (39F). However, last year was 1.5C (35F), meaning anything above the 30-year normal this winter would be a marked improvement with far less chance of snow and ice.

As well as the milder winter, the computer concluded that almost all of Britain had a 40 to 60% of being drier than normal, with only the south coast more likely to see normal amounts of rain.”

How bad was the MET Office’s forecast? Per this March 4th, 2011 Article in Farmers Weekly Interactive;

“Britain’s worst winter weather for 100 years will cost farmers more than £100m, a Farmers Weekly investigation has revealed.

Farmers across the country have been left counting the cost of lost crops, collapsed livestock buildings and burst pipes.

Rural insurers said 2010 would go down in history as the worst year on record for cold weather claims.

Among the worst-hit are England’s 4000 sugar beet growers. Temperatures plunging to -13C in December followed by a mild and wet January left £52m of sugar beet rotting in the fields, according to Farmers Weekly calculations based on British Sugar figures.”

In summary, the long range forecasts of the Farmer’s Almanac, NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center, the Old Farmer’s Almanac, Accuweather and the UK MET Office all appear to be suspect. Why?

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Sue
April 10, 2011 8:58 am

For commieBob and Pete Olson: Private British weatherforecaster Piers Corbyn’s success rate at long-range forecasting is around 85% or better. See his website at http://www.weatheraction.com/ and descriptions of his accuracy at http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact5&fsize=0 . He uses a technique based on solar and lunar factors that is applied to both weather forecasting and earthquake forecasting. The forecasts are a subscription-only basis but once the month’s forecast passes, he posts it at http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact2&fsize=0 so anyone can see what happened in the last few months. His comments at http://www.weatheraction.com/pages/pv.asp?p=wact36&fsize=0 are useful and insightful. Piers shows long-range Top Red and Extra Top Red warnings in his subscription forecasts for the coming months but will post them a few days before the actual event on his website for non-subscribers as a free public service. For example, see the latest non-subscriber warnings at http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=334&c=5 . His earthquake danger predictions for non-subscribers dated April 4 or 5 2011 is at http://www.weatheraction.com/displayarticle.asp?a=333&c=5 . It listed the high risk days for earthquakes as April 6 through 9, 2011 and the website updates of the April 7, 2011 earthquakes (magnitude 6.5 in Veracruz, Mexico and magnitude 7.4 or 7.1 near Honshu, Japan). These earthquake predictions don’t indicate the locations but do indicate days of high risk and are later compared with actual events.
He gets criticized for not publishing his very successful methods, but considering he is running a business, why should he give away his trade secrets for free? You think Coca-Cola or Kentucky Fried Chicken would publish their secret recipes? Duh!

Pamela Gray
April 10, 2011 9:01 am

In terms of forecasting out the backdoor, what matters is accumulated snow and its water equivalent over the entire Winter period, and cold night/cool day temps at the start of Spring in the Northwest and upper Midwest. Those conditions are set up by a fall appearing La Nina. That tells you what the coming growing season will be like. With the advent of the La Nina last fall, anyone with agricultural sense was singing in October 2010 for next Summer 2011 irrigation, and crying for 2011 frost killed early crops.
The old farmers in the area planted peas for sure in our corner of the state and are hoping that Winter wheat won’t be harmed by our chilly Spring nights. You can write off exposed Spring wheat in NE Oregon. If La Nina lingers, you can write off Oregon grapes, tomatoes, melons and gourds as well. I plan on getting some cans of pumpkin now just in case shelves are empty this fall. On the other hand, anyone that manages to harvest red wine grapes will have a smaller but very delicious vintage from 2011 crops.

Sue
April 10, 2011 9:15 am

One other thing concerning Piers Corbyn’s earthquake forecasts. You can go to these earthquake sites to see the latest quake info (plus usually some history – day, week, years, depending on the site).
US Geological Service: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/ . Scroll down for quake lists by magnitude. You can select various regions.
Center for Earthquake Research and Info: http://www.ceri.memphis.edu/seismic/recenteqs/index.html . Primarily for Central US.
Emergency and Disaster Information Service – EDIS: http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php . Excellent disaster maps.
IRIS Seismic Monitor: http://www.iris.edu/dms/seismon.htm . Shows earthquakes in last 5 years.

April 11, 2011 6:22 am

@Ed Mertin says:
April 10, 2011 at 8:05 am
“I’m always impressed by your posts Ulric Lyons. But the volcanoes part makes me wonder, when it often takes weeks, months and sometimes years for magma to make it to the surface after it starts moving and breaking rock. Signaled by deep earthquakes as you know.”
My observation is that large eruptions mostly follow colder winters, sometimes at the next strong uplift in temperature as in Agung or Tambora, or at a following uplift through the year, as in Krakatoa or Pinatubo, the latter having small eruptions and earthquakes in early April around the first stronger warming in 1991, >10 weeks before the main eruption: http://www.volcanolive.com/pinatubo.html
I have also noticed 179yr strings of events in the same region, and a trial forecast based on this 179yr look-back for last Autumn placed Indonesia as as risk location.

dp
April 13, 2011 10:20 pm

Richard Sharpe sed:

Well, then I think you have wasted the mental exercise. The current view is that it was the closing of the isthmus of Panama that lead to the current period of ice ages.

Why would you think opening the isthmus is the inverse of opening it? The conditions preceding its closing are nothing like the conditions preceding its opening (should it open tomorrow in this exercise). The starting points are incredibly different.

Ken
April 21, 2011 7:46 am

One probably can only predict trends and broad ones at that. For example, current solar models suggest the earth will be cooling in coming years over a long period of time due to some of the lowest solar activity in hundreds of years… Are they right? Maybe, time will tell. But when Farmers Almanac predicts wetter than normal in the southeast.. thats a huge area. I am in texas where there is a severe drought and consider them wrong while the northern stretches of this area are getting pounded weekly by storms… My thoughts are that when they predict for large areas some will consider them accurate, some will not. Its like continually predicting the results of a dice roll and cheeriing the one time out of ten you are correct. It is rather meaningless in time frames so short with broad areas. Weather is simply too random to predict that way consistently. For example: I heard once that an investor originally created his clientel by mass mailing potential customers, half with one prediction, half with the opposite. When the event occurred he through out the half he sent the wrong answer and mailed to those that received the correct prediction another prediction, half one way half the other. He follwed this process until he had a suitable number of potential clients that had seen him predict accurately 3 or 4 times and approached them in person. Those trying to sell us their long term weather documents are the same way. They bank that more will feel they are correct than not and buy it again next year. It makes for interesting banter, but you can’t really predict weather accurately out farther than maybe a month and that is probably stretching it.